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  1. Political_mama
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    Yep, we’re doing GOOD work in Iraq:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080302/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_iran

    BAGHDAD - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Sunday his landmark visit to Iraq opened a new chapter in “brotherly” relations between the two countries, which were once bitter enemies.

    Ahmadinejad is the first Iranian president to visit Iraq. The trip not only highlights his country’s growing influence on its Arab neighbor in the post-Saddam Hussein era, but it also serves as an act of defiance toward the U.S., which accuses Iran of training and giving weapons to Shiite extremists in Iraq.

    The Iranian leader went from Baghdad’s airport to a meeting with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, who gave him a red-carpet welcome. The two kissed four times on the cheek in the traditional fashion and a band played the two countries’ national anthems.

    “We had very good talks that were friendly and brotherly. … We have mutual understandings and views in all fields, and both sides plan to improve relations as much as possible

  2. Herbert West III/Pub
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Do a “Call Back Petition” and remove Governor Sebelius. See some of why at http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=808 and http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=952 . I also support Huckabee for President and hope he can use some of my ideas too better America for us all. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com

  3. kelly
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    The recent death of an inmate at the Sedgwick County jail disturbs me. How many other times have inmates died in the hands or at least custody of Sedgwick County jailers? I don’t think investigations have ever found jailers culpable, but the new FBI investigation is certainly justified. I wonder how many inmate deaths per size of jail on a national statiscal scale occur? Is the Sedgwick County jail above that statiscal average?

  4. kelly
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    Contrary to my previous posting, I understand from the Eagle this morning that the inmate who was injured recently at the jail has not died - he is still on life-support.

  5. outlander
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Barnstorming Obama plans to pick Republicans for cabinet

    “Obama is hoping to appoint cross-party figures to his cabinet such as Chuck Hagel, the Republican senator for Nebraska and an opponent of the Iraq war, and Richard Lugar, leader of the Republicans on the Senate foreign relations committee.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3466823.ece

  6. Eliza Mae Gompers
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    The master stroke would be to pick a moderate Republican running mate. I favor Olympia Snow. How old is she? How about Chuck Hagel? And the ultimate, though probably not Constitutional, would be Arnold. I am coming around to Obama. He is brilliant.

  7. Apophis
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Herbie……………….your man, Huckabee doesn’t have a statistical chance of getting the nomination.

    Also, what is Gov. Sebelius’s approval rating here?

    I’m sure it is much higher than YOUR prez., at 19%.

    Get a grip.

  8. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    And they say Obama doesnt believe in appeasement…

    No WONDER the repubs want Obama to be the nominee. They win and control the government either way.

    Nice work democrats.

  9. Pleefer
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Economic hilarity.

    KFG, how are them wheat prices??? heh.

  10. Pedant
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    In this morning’s copy of my local paper, The Virginian-Pilot, an article from yesterday’s WaPo was reprinted in its entirety. This all takes place on the other side of the Chesapeake Bay from where I am here in Norfolk, but for those who may not have read it yet at the WaPo site I thought I’d post it here.

    The article covered the 63rd annual National Outdoor Show. The show includes the 2008 Miss Outdoors pageant, which was won by Miss Dakota Abbott. Miss Abbott also competed, with 4 other young women, in the Miss Outdoors competition also held last weekend at the National Outdoor Show.

    This article had me ROLLING laughing on my living room floor this morning. Your mileage may vary, and I should warn you upfront that parts of it may be disturbing. I doubt very much that my fellow Norfolk resident Ingrid Newkirk, the PETA lady, found it as funny as I do (the humor is of the best variety: black as the coffee I nearly spit all over the fireplace this morning).

    Some of my favorite sentences:

    “I’m a little scared,” Phillips said. She was in a locker room at South Dorchester School, a few minutes before the pageant, with curlers in her hair and a dead muskrat in a plastic bag. The animal had been caught in a spring-loaded trap in a nearby marsh that morning. Now, it looked awfully fluffy.

    “I did blow-dry it,” Phillips said.

    “I’m going to show you how to get a muskrat from his house to yours,” she said. The crowd, estimated at more than 700 people, buzzed. The judges recoiled. She set the muskrat down on a sheet of cardboard, cut into its skin, peeled the hide back, and then, after a few cuts around the head, wiggled the pelt free.

    “There’s the, the fur,” she said, “and there’s the meat.” Screams and applause. The carcass was taken offstage, Phillips went to scrub her hands and the next contestant came out to play Beethoven’s “Für Elise” on the piano.

    “She skinned a muskrat in full makeup and sparkly earrings,” said Amy Nicholson, a New York-based filmmaker who shot a documentary, “Muskrat Lovely,” during the 2004 pageant, when Brittingham did the same thing. “You kind of can’t believe it’s actually happening.”

    In 2005, when she [Tiffany Brittingham] walked out for the talent portion of the pageant with a muskrat thrown over her shoulder, a man in the audience yelled above the cheers, “I want to marry you!”

    Read the article for yourself at the link. I loved it.

    America. You GOT to love it. What a country! :lol:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022903977_2.html?sid=ST2008022903987

  11. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Political Moma,

    Would you rather Iran and Iraq be at war or each others throats diplomatically instead?

  12. Posted March 2, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    “Nathan” –

    If there is one single thing that unites Iraq, Iran, and al Qaeda it’s that they consider the United States interlopers in Middle East affairs.

    George WMD Bush’s policies in Iraq are promoting the consolidation of the enemies of American interests. Shrub is the anti-Sun Tzu; instead of “The Art of War,” Bush has mastered the Art of Screw-Ups.

  13. Somewhat Concerned
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    We import 13% of our gasoline due to lack of refining capacity in the USA and temporarily after Katrina we were importing up to 30% of our gasoline. We need a federal refiner built near the strategic oil reserve otherwise it’s just a pile of oil unusable in a national emergency. We could offset the tax dollars spent by charging big oil to refine petroleum there during calmer times (using other than our strategic oil). Pretty soon it will make more sense to send all oil to China so they can refine and use it and return a few drops our way.

  14. Pedant
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Ok, it’s officially humor day here at my place.

    A joke sent by an English friend:

    A small zoo in Glasgow acquired a very rare species of gorilla. Within a few weeks the gorilla, a female, became very difficult to handle.

    Upon examination, the veterinarian determined the problem. The gorilla was in season. To make matters worse, there was no male gorilla available.

    Thinking about their problem, the zookeeper thought of Boaby McKay, a local lad & part-time worker responsible for cleaning the animal cages.

    Boaby, like many Glasgow folk, had little sense but possessed ample ability to satisfy a female of any species. The zookeeper thought they might have a solution. Boaby was approached with a proposition. Would he be willing to mate with the gorilla for £500? Boaby showed some interest, but said he would have to think the matter over carefully. The following day, he announced that he would accept their offer, but only under four conditions:

    1. ‘First’, Boaby said, ‘Ah’m no gonnae kiss her on the lips.’
    The zookeeper quickly agreed to this condition.

    2. ‘Second’, he said, ‘Ye cannae never tell naebody aboot this.’
    The zookeeper again readily agreed to this condition.

    3. ‘Third’, Boaby said, ‘I want all the weans raised as Celtic fans.’
    Once again it was agreed.

    4. ‘And last of all’, Boaby stated, ‘You gotta give me another week to come up with the £500.’

    At least it ain’t another sheep joke. :lol:

  15. Posted March 2, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Once again the moral depravity of the fundamentalist Christians rears it’s ugly head. Today we find out that rather than work to get veterans treatment for their disability claims Department of Veterans Affairs Undersecretary for Benefits Daniel Cooper would rather have Bible studies and raise money for Christian groups.

    http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41423

    As a result veteran’s claims got backlogged and they had to wait six months or more for treatment. But I guess these guys are morally superior and if the Bush regime views veterans as disposable waste then we should be polite and not offend their religious sensibilities. Oh yeah, and order more of those defective helmets.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/06/america/06helmet.php

    After all, we are sending soldiers to die and there is profit to be made. Just be sure to wear a flag lapel pin when you do so nobody questions your patriotism.

  16. Posted March 2, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Good one Doug!! I like that!!

  17. NN
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Pendant: I’m a Celtic supporter..this means war!

  18. Posted March 2, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    NN — I’m sure glad you said a Celtic supporter, instead of an “athletic supporter” LOL

  19. Phantom
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Look like France may have their own version of bush. Maybe the eads win will boost his numbers.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/france_sarkozy_poll_dc_1

  20. Kansas
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    The Tower of Babel didn’t get very high today…maybe ’cause it’s Sunday.

  21. Herbert West III/Pub
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    How, again, can Governor Sebelius have such A high approval rating, when the the State of Kansas is on a down slide?? Kansas drops in ratings and popularity and we honor/praise and approve the Governor who sabatoged it? We seem more stupid than she is. She is known for destroying ratings and stealing budget. We praise this?? “WE WHO”??????? Herbert West III, Publisher/Journalist. By the way, McCain Lied to get where he is. Huckabee told the truth. west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com

  22. NN
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Chas: If I was an atheltic supporter, that would mean I root for Charlton in the English Premier League whose team name is Athletic. Love British football!

  23. Posted March 2, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    NN — I was more worried that some bright soul on the Blog would label you a “jock strap”!! ROFL

  24. Wayne the Brain
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    How, again, can Governor Sebelius have such A high approval rating, when the the State of Kansas is on a down slide?? Kansas drops in ratings and popularity and we honor/praise and approve the Governor who sabatoged it?

    Because Herbert, there are two sides in politics, and yours has an approval rating of minus zilch. She looks good to us by comparison.

  25. Ben
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Herbie - how is your “call back petition” coming along. Wouldn’t it make more sense to launch a “recall petition”?

    ;)

  26. Phantom
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    A recall for our donuthin State Leglislators? I’ll sign!

  27. Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    “How, again, can Governor Sebelius have such A high approval rating, when the the State of Kansas is on a down slide??”

    Sorry, Herbster, but she has an approval rating from the mid to high Sixties - the odds of her being “recalled” are slim and none.

    You might want to try dropping in on the reality based world sometime.

  28. Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Well…………..

    “How, again, can Governor Sebelius have such A high approval rating, when the the State of Kansas is on a down slide??”

    Sorry, Herbster, but she has an approval rating from the mid to high Sixties - the odds of her being “recalled” are slim and none.

    You might want to try dropping in on the reality based world sometime.

  29. Posted March 2, 2008 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Duplicate post - WE Blog is acting weird today.

  30. Wayne the Brain
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Duplicate post — WE Bog is acting weird today.

  31. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Wayne lost his brain –

    ooops WE Blog is weird today!!

  32. Kansas
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Brownlee met with the WE lawyers and the Blogs are about to undergo major changes.

    WE doesn’t want the liability exposure the Blogs represent.

  33. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    I figured that was going to happen soon…

  34. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    After some of what has been posted here recently, Brownlee had to do something…

  35. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Once again, Doug completely mischaracterizes the truth to further his anti-Christian propaganda.

    And who is along to pat him on the back for a job well done?

    The so called and self proclaimed “Christian” Chas.

    Yeah Right…

  36. Kansas
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t you post pornography on the WEBlog Nathan? The type of Christian that you are is antiChrist enough without Doug.

    You are your own worst enemy Nathan.

  37. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    As usual, Nathan must Flame about something he calls UnChristian, because it disagrees with his idea… Naturally… some things never change!!

    Did you even read the links, Nathan??

  38. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    I did read the links. Nothing in those links goes so far as to give any proof or actual evidence of how his bible studies hurt veterans.

    What the story did, like liberals lvoe to do, was to take a quote from him and use it as evidence of wrong doing.

  39. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Kansas,

    I have never posted a link to a porn website on the blog.

    What actually happened, was that my father meant to have a link assigned to his name which went to the Bearded Collie website or something like that and it accidently went to some site which it shouldn’t have.

    As soon as it was pointed out, the link was changed.

    This is exactly what you liberals do, take something like that and then use it as evidence of some grand wrong doing and mischaracterize it completely.

  40. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Ummm The department of veterans affairs is not charged with the religious welfare of veterans… but to take care of their health needs, and disability claims, in this case… IF this person wants to do something about religious welfare of veterans, he shouldnt do it with the context of his Federal Job… He should do it through his Church…

    THAT is what is wrong with it!!

  41. Smedley Butler
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    It’s not anti christain it’s anti incompetence Nathan — so you think we should pay Cooper to pray instead of work ? I know let’s all go over to the VA and hold hands in a circle and ahhhhhh pray — or would that be Cumbaya Nathan?

    “Cooper was in charge of and responsible for massive injustice for hundreds of thousands of veterans who slipped through the cracks waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for disability benefits,” said Paul Sullivan, executive director of the group Veterans for Common Sense.

    “He was fully aware that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were putting a burden on VA in 2004 and he did nothing,” Sullivan added. “In 2005, he was told again. He did nothing. In 2006, he was told again. He did nothing. In 2007, when the Walter Reed scandal broke, all Cooper could do was say that he would make some marginal changes.”

    Cooper’s resignation — for “personal reasons” — comes two on the heels of President Bush’s signing two months ago of the Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act, which has numerous provisions designed to lessen the bureaucracy that wounded veterans face when they return home from Iraq or Afghanistan. Veterans’ advocates say they hope Daniel Cooper’s resignation will lead to serious changes in the way the VA does its job.

  42. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Nothing you posted has anything to do with the claims and mischaracterizations Doug made about how bible studies were more important than Veterans.

  43. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    And your point is?? I also didnt post anything Anti-Christian, and yet that doesnt stop you from attacking me!! C’mon Nathan, get REAL for a change!!

    Cooper was up to his neck in incompetence… And he wants to do Bible Studies, while these massive claims are backing up for three years!!

    If you had come back wounded, is that what you would want the VA to do for you?? Organize religious activities??

  44. Hud
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    “…he shouldnt do it with the context of his Federal Job… He should do it through his Church…”

    “…he appeared in a 2004 fundraising video for Christian Embassy, which carries out missionary work among the Washington elite as part of the Campus Crusade for Christ.”

    And since when is Campus Crusade for Christ in the “Context of his Federal Job”?

  45. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    First question, do you think Cooper should have any free time at all? Time for sleep? Should he eat in his office and never go home?

    How many hours is enough at his job?

    The issue shouldn’t be about a Bible study at all.

    The issue is about time. If you think he shouldn’t have any time to do a bible study then you must think he shouldn’t have time for much else either let alone a bible study.

    So… Do you have any real evidence of how he didn’t work towards helping veterans in his job besides saying he did Bible Studies?

    As a Christian, don’t you think Christians should find time to do Bible studies?

    And then you wonder why I question you on calling yourself a Christian???

  46. outlander
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Chas: You are there, cheering on anti-Christian bigots like Doug. You bring criticism on yourself.

    According to Doug’s your twisted logic (which you enthusiastically support), a person who may not be doing well at their government job has no business tending to his spiritual life.

    Is that your sage advice, “Rev” Chas???

  47. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Where was the VA organizing religious activities and if they were, how exactly was that taking away from veterans?

    You ask me if I would want the VA to organize such things…

    If I was in the care of the VA, then yes, I would want them to set up religious activities for me including Bible studies.

    It would be nice to be with fellow Christians and to spend time studying the Bible.

  48. Nathan
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Good point outlander!

  49. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, like I said before, GET REAL!!

    You ask a bunch of stupid questions!! I am not going to give you answers, just so you can find more stupid questions!!

    Cooper should not be organizing religious activities as a part of his job with Veterans Affairs… That appears to be the complaint…

    The Division of Chaplains is in charge of those activities… as you already know… But you want to defend more incompetence at the expense of Veterans, and their needs…

    What makes you such a great marine with an attitude like that??

  50. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Nathan defends THIS >>>>

    In the video, Cooper says of his Bible study, “It’s not really about carving out time, it really is a matter of saying what is important. And since that’s more important than doing the job — the job’s going to be there, whether I’m there or not.”

    Cooper’s declaration inflamed veterans who saw the number of veterans waiting for the Veterans Administration (VA) to decide their disability claims balloon to 400,000 on his watch, with the average veteran waiting six months for a decision from the government.

    “He was clearly a fundamentalist Christian first and essentially a government paid missionary for his particular world view of the gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Mike Weinstein, who runs the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. “The fact that he’s gone obviously is good.”

    [Source: Above article linked by Doug]

  51. Hud
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    I do agree churches should be involved with setting up “religious activities” at VA Hospitals.

    Chas. have you set up something at our local VA Hospital?

  52. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Ummm Hud?? The local Bob Dole Vets Hospital has a very competent, and adequate staff of Chaplains… They do an excellent job of providing religious activities, and counseling ministries for those patients… I have met one of them… and am familiar with the overall program…

  53. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    There are also some Reserve Chaplains from the various branches of the military who also assist with needs at the VA Center in Wichita.

  54. outlander
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    “In the video, Cooper says of his Bible study, “It’s not really about carving out time, it really is a matter of saying what is important. And since that’s more important than doing the job — the job’s going to be there, whether I’m there or not.”

    So “Rev” Chas. What is it about that statement with which you disagree?

  55. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Ask the 400,000 vets whose claims he wasnt processing… That should be a good clue…

  56. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    If his Bible Study is more important to him than his job, then he should do what he has done… Resign the job, and then he can do all the Bible Study he wants!!

  57. Kansas
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Some fundamentalist Christians appear to react strongly when criticized.

    Other types of Christians weather such scrutiny with a peace that “passeth all understanding” because they have the assurance of knowing the truth.

    I think I know what category Nathan falls under.

  58. Hud
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    “Ask the 400,000 vets whose claims he wasnt processing… That should be a good clue…”

    He did the processing?

  59. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Can you READ Hud??? >>>>

    “the number of veterans waiting for the Veterans Administration (VA) to decide their disability claims balloon to 400,000 on his watch, with the average veteran waiting six months for a decision from the government.”

  60. outlander
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    I think that says a lot Chas. I mean about your perception of life’s priorities.

  61. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    “Cooper’s declaration inflamed veterans who saw the number of veterans waiting for the Veterans Administration (VA) to decide their disability claims balloon to 400,000 on his watch, with the average veteran waiting six months for a decision from the government.”
    ——————————-

    This isn’t new. It took my claim a little longer than six months to process. The way it is supposed to work, is that you submit the paperwork while still on active duty and receiving medical care henceforth.

    By the time you are discharged/resign, it will be a short wait for your paperwork to come from the VA and usually minimal wait.

    I think you can still get 30 days of medical care at any Military Medical facility after discharge if it is service related and the VA is not available or w/e.

    Something about this story stinks of journalistic incompetence.

  62. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Stop nit-picking Hud… it doesnt become you!

  63. Hud
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Nit-picking? I have trouble believing one man is responsible for the VA waitlist.

    I have trouble believing a news article which gives no proof.

    I have trouble with a San Francisco reporter putting out a Washington DC story with information I cannot verify.

    I have trouble with “…he shouldnt do it with the context of his Federal Job… He should do it through his Church…” which is what he did.

    I would love to nit-pick; I just do not have enough information to nit-pick.

  64. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    HUD He said his Bible Study was more important than his job… Thats a very arrogant statement… He was the man “in charge” of the Veterans claims… Neither I, nor the article, said he was the only person resonsible… It was on HIS Watch, as head of HIS specific department… He was an Under Secretary… Check an organizational flow chart — that will help you…

  65. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    The the process works, at least did when I applied for VA benefits and treatment:

    While on Active Duty or Reserve/Guard Duty

    - Get documented all claims you plan to make on your Medical Record (Active Duty/Reserve/Guard)

    - Fill out the VA forms

    - Obtain official Copy of Medical Records

    - Submit records and forms to VA

    When forms and Medical Records are received, they are put in a cue to be examine by Recorders Examiners and a board of Medical Personnel (Physicians, etc.)

    Letter is sent to Vet with percent of disability and how it was determined


    Once out of Active Duty/Guard/Reserve

    - Contact VA to set up verification Examination and review of condition/records

    - The physician examines the report from the reviewing board and see if your claims for treatment are approved and match up with the claims.

    - The physician plugs the Vet into the system and treatment is started immediately or scheduled if more complicated.

    ———————-

    There were a lot more active duty getting out when I got (First Gulf War) and the process went reasonably quick, but it is still complicated and one has to wait their turn.

    As I understand it now, the military will keep people on active duty until the VA can take over or they do a combination of the two, if a procedure cannot be handled by the Military Clinic/Hospital and a VA specialist is needed.

  66. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    The the process = The way the process

  67. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Now you just go ahead and Flame On… I am finished with that topic… its not that important anyway… just another BushCo resignation from another BushCo incompetent…

  68. Regular
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Chas.
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink
    Now you just go ahead and Flame On… I am finished with that topic… its not that important anyway… just another BushCo resignation from another BushCo incompetent…
    ———————–

    …or an example of Radical Leftist Libs passing their atheistic, scolding fingers on a process they have never done and don’t understand.

    (chortles)

  69. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    That was not directed to YOU James… but, if you feel the need to answer it, then by all means… YOU can flame on too!!

  70. Hud
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Flame - an angry, hostile, or abusive electronic message - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    I am not been angry; I am not been hostile; I have not been abusive. I do disagree with what has been posted.

  71. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    It wasn’t a flame, I was pointing out people with radical atheistic agendas once again speaking out loud from their collective anal openings. :)

  72. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Now that was flame, but Chas did give me permission in his 9:20pm post. :D

  73. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    As I stated before, this is pretty much a non story, except that we get rid of another BushCo ego problem, that wants his hobby to be more important than his job… And how he somehow neglected the influential nature of his job…

  74. Smedley Butler
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
    The the process works, at least did when I applied for VA benefits and treatment:

    While on Active Duty or Reserve/Guard Duty

    - Get documented all claims you plan to make on your Medical Record (Active Duty/Reserve/Guard)

    - Fill out the VA forms

    - Obtain official Copy of Medical Records

    - Submit records and forms to VA

    When forms and Medical Records are received, they are put in a cue to be examine by Recorders Examiners and a board of Medical Personnel (Physicians, etc.)

    Letter is sent to Vet with percent of disability and how it was determined


    Once out of Active Duty/Guard/Reserve

    - Contact VA to set up verification Examination and review of condition/records

    - The physician examines the report from the reviewing board and see if your claims for treatment are approved and match up with the claims.

    - The physician plugs the Vet into the system and treatment is started immediately or scheduled if more complicated.

    ———————-

    There were a lot more active duty getting out when I got (First Gulf War) and the process went reasonably quick, but it is still complicated and one has to wait their turn.

    As I understand it now, the military will keep people on active duty until the VA can take over or they do a combination of the two, if a procedure cannot be handled by the Military Clinic/Hospital and a VA specialist is needed.

    ….. and not a prayer to be heard or required — hypocrite heal thyself

  75. Hank Price
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Well,

    Had a great weekend!

    Around noon today I did gravity check. I fell off a round bale while trying to unload it from my trailer. Broke my right arm/shoulder. Fractured my greater tubercle/humeral head in two places. (It’s where the arm bone connects to shoulder bone)

    I bought 15 round bales of brome last fall and I was down to about a half a bale. Looks like I’ll need at least 5 more before the pasture will be able to take up the slack.

    I went to Wesley Emergency today. Tomorrow I’ll go to specialist to see if it’s going to take surgery to fix it. I don’t seem to bounce like I used to!

  76. Posted March 2, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Good night; Good luck;
    God bless; whatever you conceive
    God to be!!

    Blessings All!!

    Blessings to you Hank!!
    Be well and safe!!

  77. : :
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    For the skeptics in the house:

    http://americanchronicle.com/articles/53969

  78. Posted March 2, 2008 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Heal well, Mr. Price, remember you ain’t as quick as you used to be and the ground comes up much fast than it did 30 years ago.

    Good luck with the Docs - hope you don’t need surgery.

    Get well soon.

  79. J R
    Posted March 2, 2008 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps this will teach Hank how lucky he is that he has insurance coverage and so access to medical treatment?

    A similar experience for one not insured or well heeled would result in financial ruin.

    Maybe Michael Moore’s prayer to afflict the comfortable works?

  80. Max
    Posted March 3, 2008 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    Yeah, good thing Hank takes responsibility for himself and works for a living, so he can afford to buy his own healthcare.

    Hank doesn’t expect someone else to take care of his problems, do ya Hank?

    Say Hank, hope ya get well soon. Shoulder joints take a long time to heal. I injured my a-c joint and it took a full-year before I could sleep on my left side again. Orthapedic specialists wanted to operate, but said surgery only works about 50% of the time, and often 2 surgeries are needed.

    I decided to wait and see if it would heal on its own. It did, but took a long time.

  81. Posted March 3, 2008 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    Oh boo hoo, mean ol’ Doug is picking on the incompetent fundy who didn’t want to do his job. But that’s the fundy priority for you. People who served their country wallowing in misery while Mr. Fundy beats his bible and ignores the cries of the sick and ill. I guess he was too busy in the Old Testament and didn’t want to be bothered with the entire part about Jesus healing the sick.

    Let’s go back in the wayback machine, way back to the beginning of February.
    http://federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3353503

    Nathan and the other neo-fascists were mum about the problem with deficient helmets. If you’ll notice a lot of the back log had to deal with increased brain injuries. Put two and two together. One war profiteer cuts back to make a few extra dollars and more veterans have to go for treatment for injuries they may have not gotten if some greedy capitalist didn’t want to profit from their misery.

    But as Cooper says bible studies are “more important than doing my job.”

    He proved that to be the case by just letting claims back up and up.
    http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39154
    But that didn’t stop him from rewarding his buddies with bonuses for doing nothing. I guess they were all just too busy raising money for their religious groups that helping out soldiers who come home maimed by this war for profit. How nice Nathan would sell out fellow soldiers, clearly he thinks the feelings of Cooper are more important than getting someone a new leg to walk on.

  82. Posted March 3, 2008 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Hey, for all you goons who love war so much remember you’re never too old to go off to Iraq. You can replace the 59 year old who just returned home after spending a year in the illegal occupation of Iraq.

    http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2008/02/25/news/local/doc47c265707a2bc296233611.txt?sPos=2

    So what are you cowards waiting for? Put your lives on the line for Halliburton and President 19%.

  83. RD
    Posted March 3, 2008 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    The one question that should be asked is what was Cooper hired to do? Process claims or pray? Couldn’t he pray while processing, or can’t he multi-task?

    Hank, take care. My mother broke her shoulder years ago and it healed. Later, the tendon that holds the bicep was severed by a rough spot on the healed bone, and she had to fight the insurance company when they said surgery to retie the tendon was “cosmetic”. Not so, said her doctor, so she was able to get the surgery. Although she did regain mobility of her arm and shoulder with the retie, it was somewhat limited. I’m hoping you don’t have to go through anything like that. And next time, don’t go bouncing on those round bales.

  84. Posted March 3, 2008 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    Ouch Hank!

    Hopefully, it will be a spiral/hairline type of fracture which should heal without any surgery. I’m sure your wife has better insight on this sort of stuff. :)

    For some natural healing and supplement, try some Ginseng with Royal jelly dissolved into some hot Green tea.

    Wish I could go out and do your chores while you heal, but my old crippled self can barely get around.

    And of course, the most powerful medicine of all, prayer. I’ll pray for your rapid healing and pain free recovery.

    Hope there is good news from the bone doc! :)