Open thread 3/19

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  1. Heckler
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    Great comentary from outside the Supreme Court yesterday regarding oral arguements in the Heller case.

    “At that point, a reporter interjected: “the Mayor (DC Mayor Adrian M. Fenty) says the handgun ban and his initiatives have significantly lowered violent crime in the District. How do you answer that, Mr. Heller?”

    The initial answer certainly wasn’t expected – Dick Heller laughed. Ruefully.

    Pointing at the Mayor who was making his way across the plaza, surrounded by at least six DC police officers, Heller said, “the Mayor doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”

    “He doesn’t walk on the street like an average citizen. Look at him; he travels with an army of police officers as bodyguards – to keep him safe. But he says that I don’t have the right to be a force of one to protect myself. Does he look like he thinks the streets are safe?”

  2. Heckler
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    linky thingy

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1987991/posts

  3. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    Yesterday at the Statehouse:

    ABORTION BILL PASSES HOUSE
    A bill that anti-abortion lawmakers say will lead to tighter restrictions on late-term abortions passed the House yesterday. The bill requires women to receive more information about the fetus and the procedure before an abortion is performed. According to the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Lance Kinzer, R-Olathe, the legislation does not outlaw any legal procedure, including late-term abortions. In Kansas, a late-term abortion is one that involves a fetus determined to be 22 weeks or older.
    The bill requires abortion providers to give a woman having a late-term abortion copies of documents stating the reason for the procedure and whether it’s needed to prevent substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function, as the law requires.
    “Many times, women don’t know the justification for an abortion unless they seek their medical records,” said Kinzer. He also said women often are coerced by parents or others to undergo an abortion.
    The bill also requires doctors, at least a half hour before any abortion, to allow a woman to view the ultrasound image of a fetus and the heartbeat sound if that type equipment is used, and to inform a woman at least 24 hours before any abortion about free counseling and free hospice services for fetuses or terminally ill newborns. Also, under the bill, the State Board of Healing Arts must revoke a physician’s license to practice if he is convicted of performing an illegal late-term abortion, unless two-thirds of the board decides the doctor poses no public threat.
    The bill requires any minor seeking any abortion to provide proof of identification and residence. Any person accompanying a minor also must provide identification and sign a statement about their relationship and whom the father of the fetus might be. Kinzer said the bill also clarifies the steps a minor must take to get a judge to allow an abortion without notification of the girl’s parents. The bill allows any group of 10 citizens to file a lawsuit against the Kansas Department of Health and Environment to get information required by law about
    abortions performed in the state. The bill also allows a woman who had
    a late-term abortion, her husband if he’s the father, or parents if she’s a minor to file a lawsuit for monetary damages for violations of the law.
    The most controversial part of the bill is a provision that allows a county attorney, for instance in Johnson County, to file an action in another county, say Sedgwick County, charging a doctor with violating the state abortion laws. Attorneys in the House disagree about whether a county attorney, elected to enforce the law in their county, can overcall another county attorney an file an action for a “crime” that occurs in another jurisdiction.
    According to health department, 11,221 abortions were performed in 2006, of which 380 were late-term. In 2000, 12,323 abortions were performed, 639 of them late-term. Abortion opponents have complained that doctors filling out the required state paperwork simply recite the language of the statute in listing a reason, rather than providing a specific medical reason. Efforts to send the bill back to the Federal and State Affairs Committee failed, as did a move to replace its language with another bill that simply required doctors to report their diagnosis that specifies why an abortion is necessary for the woman’s life or health and specifically shows their findings concerning the gestational age of the fetus.

  4. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    The House passed a measure this week to strengthen congressional ethics enforcement. For the first time ever, an outside board will be established made up of individuals who are not members of Congress to investigate Aleged ethics violations by representatives. Members of Congress should be held to a high ethical standard. Hopefully, this board will increase the openness and accountability of the ethics process in Congress for the American people. The independent Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) will consist of six members who will screen allegations of wrongdoing made against House Members and pass these concerns to the House Ethics Committee for further consideration and action.
    Kansas has an independent ethics body, the Kansas Governmental Ethics Commission (GEC). The commission is charged with administering, interpreting and enforcing the Kansas Campaign Finance Act and laws relating to conflict of interests, financial disclosure and the regulation of lobbying. These laws establish the public’s right to information about the financial affairs of Kansas’ state public officials, lobbyists and candidates for office. In addition, the GEC renders advisory opinions and can adopt rules and regulations under a less comprehensive conflict of interests law covering local government officials and employees. Kansas statutes, K.S.A. 25-4142 et seq. and K.S.A. 46-215 et seq. require candidates, lobbyists and state employees to file disclosure forms with the Secretary of State, which is a separate state agency and the public repository for such forms.

  5. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    Looks like responsible borrowers get to help pay for the subprime fiaso in another way. According to LowCards.com, despite short term interest rates being down, credit card companies are not in any hurry to lower their CC rates. Apparently banks are off-setting mortgage losses in their credit card departments. Even those without a balance or who rarely use their cards are experiencing rate increases.

    Society again pays for the irresponsible actions of others……

  6. Door King
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    The simple way to avoid the problem, American Way, is to pay off your credit card balance every month. Use them like a tired whore, take every discount and airline freebie, but Never give them a late fee or a dime’s worth of interest.

  7. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    Agreed Door King. Always have cards with a grace period, no annual fee, and it’s easy to find one with a cash back feature. (I won’t advertise for the greedy bassturds by providing a name.) We’ve lived by this our entire married life. My above comment was all inclusive; although they are hitting up those of us who pay in full or rarely use their cards – you better believe everyone else is “enjoying” high rates on their balances.

  8. writerdog
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    By all means we must stop those silly ole Doctors who are just going around performing abortions of unsuspecting women without telling them why they are performing an abortion! Why those women must have been just walking down pass the clinic whistling a happy tune. When they Doctor comes out and offers them candy to come inside. surly these women must have misunderstood the Doctor, they thought when he said “abortion” he meant “adoption” of a puppy!

    And of course they need to be shown the “ultrasound image of a fetus and the heartbeat sound if that type equipment is used“, Otherwise they must think that thing growing in their belly is a swallowed grapefruit seed.

    There is a level of stupidity in this, but it is not on the part of the women! When the law is used like this, it end with the citizens no longer having any respect for the law. Compliance with the laws is voluntary, when the majority no longer respect the laws. There is not enough law enforcement within Sedgwick county or even within the entire state of Kansas to enforce any laws.

    In days pasted, such attempts would be laugh at and the sponsor would go down as a wacko. But then at times it seem that one needs to be a wacko just to be elected to office.
    Olathe sounds to be a good town, a good town to stay hundreds of miles away from! Sadly there is not a electric fence to keep them from invading the rest of the state.
    This assumes women are stupid and need to be governed, that the people of Kansas are just this dumb that without the government we would be running off of cliffs!

  9. writerdog
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    I need some more coffee! LOL and a proof reader it seems…

  10. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    “This assumes women are stupid and need to be governed, that the people of Kansas are just this dumb that without the government we would be running off of cliffs!”

    Sorta like warning labels on cigarette packs?
    Sorta like warning labels on gas pumps?
    Sorta like warning labels on power tools?
    Sorta like signing up for a subprime loan and not being smart enough to know what the adjustable rate means?

    Yep, way too much government involvement in our lives.

  11. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    On the brighter side of the subprime fiasco, my better half and I are looking at buying a second home. This one will be the final retirement home eventually. Somewhere warm, TBD. But we were researching prices and it seems now is an excellent time not just to buy an existing home – but to have one built!

    According to the Bureaus of Labor Stats, construction labor costs are way down, and the National Association of Home Builders also reports costs are way down:

    Insulation: -6% (and a tax break for energy)
    Roofing: -11%
    Land costs: -20%
    Lumber: -18%
    Drywall: -40%
    Windows: -12%

    Maybe she will finally get something brand “new” to live in!

  12. writerdog
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    A couple of my favorites: The warning on those sun screens that cover the entire windshield “ You should remove this devise before attempting to drive”. I read this on the box that a clothes iron came in, “Do not attempt to use this product while taking a bath”.

  13. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Like the shirt, “Don’t iron while wearing”? Or the warning on peanuts given on airlines, “warning, contains nuts”

    Agreed, too much of this is down-right ridiculous. But I still advocate the “Point downrange before firing” on weapons for the military.

  14. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    “Point downrange before firing” on weapons for the military.

    I don’t recall seeing that label on an M16 or .45
    at Edson Range, but I do recall a brute wearing a campaign hat threatening bodily harm for failure to do so. The message was literally beaten into you.

  15. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Anti-tank weapons and TOW, AmWay

    Gotta admit, the anti-tank weapons do look kinda the same comin’ as goin’

  16. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Before bush goes on television today and tells us Iraq has made us safer, let me assure everyone I won’t buy that line of BS.

    bush has his opinion, I have mine.

    306 days, 13 hours, 41 minutes

  17. J R
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    Why do they still put that miserable failure on TV?

  18. writerdog
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    One night I was mopping and got some distance from the orange warning cone, a customer smarted off “I don’t see a warning cone… What ya go’n do if I fall?”. “If you are watching me mop and do not know the floor is wet…Laugh my axx off!” I replied.

  19. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Before bush goes on television today and tells us Iraq has made us safer

    Personally, since 9/11 I’ve become very scared. Not from El Keeta, but from my fellow Americans. I’m worried I’m going to step out my door and Homeland Security is going to spirit me away for 2 years torturing me because some dolt says since I have long hair I have to be a radical and undoubtedly have a bomb hidden somewhere to go off sometime.
    I’m afraid that I go to the store and some psuedo-John Wayne empties a clip into me because while I was scratching my keester he was sure I was reaching for an Uzi.
    I’m afraid many of the people on this blog actually believe the drivel they spout.
    I’m really afraid that America is a screwed up as they try to have us believe.

    I’m expecting to see a public service announcement any day showing Bin Laden with his arm draped over Bush’s shoulder, proclaiming, “you’re doing a heck of a job, there, Bushie”

  20. writerdog
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Linda I am watching him right now… :> It has got to be easy being a speech writer for Bush! You need not bother to stick to facts or reality, just make it up as you go! You know I can forgive Mc Cain for his misstatement about Al-Qaeda and them crossing over to Iran to train. The terms “Al-Qaeda”, “insurgents“, “terrorists” have become so interchanged that it must be hard to keep track without a score card!

  21. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Before bush goes on television today and tells us Iraq has made us safer

    Personally, since 9/11 I’ve become very scared. Not from El Keeta, but from my fellow Americans. I’m worried I’m going to step out my door and Homeland Security is going to spirit me away for 2 years torturing me because some dolt says since I have long hair I have to be a radical and undoubtedly have a bomb hidden somewhere to go off sometime.
    ———————–

    There’s a special now for ‘tin foil’ hats. You should pick a couple of those up.

  22. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Dog, I’ll wait and read the simple words he will undoubtedly trip over. I’ve heard them before and it’s too painful to actually watch and listen in real time. I admire your bravery!

  23. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Reg, you’re one of the one’s I’m afraid of.

  24. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Hee hee hee fish. Chris Rock said, given the dragging of James Byrd, the killing of Matthew Shepard, church burning, etc. That he wasnt afraid of Al Quaida. He was afraid of Al Cracker…

  25. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    #
    ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Reg, you’re one of the one’s I’m afraid of.
    ——————————
    Yes, I have plans along with my organization of several million members to solidify our secret organization.

    Soon we will have plans in place that will render any deviations from our policies or procedures practically useless.

    The first step of the microchip implant is almost complete. It was quite difficult to get that secretly funded and implemented throughout the Medicaid clinics.

    However, no one has suspected the reason for gas price increases has been the subversion tax secretly passed and signed into power was to fund our massive project.

    Phase II will kick in when the microchip is added to flu vaccinations and those immunizations required for children.

    Newer Television sets, flat screens and etc. have made our surveillance project much easier. The people from Taiwan and Korea have cooperated fully after a little under the table funding to implement the satellite and wireless based surveillance program. Cellphones have proven to be more problematic.

    The underground facility in Montana will be our headquarters, with computer nodes , each, which can act independently is almost complete as well.

    A stroke of genius by our extra-terrestrial alien born companion Zarkthros was implemented in our McDonald’s and Burger King child toy (microchip implantation) plan. It has been a huge success.

    It really is amazing what one can do by manipulating the electrical impulses of the human body. Yes, I’m really proud of our microchip plan.

    (chortles)

  26. TDT
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Obama’s lead over Clinton narrows: Reuters poll

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080319/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc

    IMO, the longer this primary goes on, the more NECESSARY it is for both of the candidates to be on the ticket. The democrats are slowly being ripped apart by the prolonged primary. It is the nature of the beast for primaries to cause rifts in a party, but the primaries have never lasted this long. Since it has lasted this long, to present unity and goodwill for the democrats, they must decide to work together on the same ticket, they just must!! Otherwise, the democrats will lose in November. And I will pull ALL of my hair out!

  27. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    306 days, 13 hours, 41 minutes

    Linda, are you counting down using Central Standard Time, or Daylight Savings?

  28. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    No, reg, it isn’t any of that (wherever you stole it from). It’s being afraid that people with your thought processes actually is the norm for America, in which case Bin Laden would be doing us a favor for sinking so low as a society.

  29. TDT
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    A Fed rate cut could send some mortgage rates even higher

    http://biz.yahoo.com/cnnm/080318/031408_ratecut_mortgages.html

    Okay, I am not economically savvy when it comes to the feds and mortgage rates. I can budget my own money, but nothing complex. But damn it, how in the world can the Feds be cutting interest rates, driving up inflation while doing so, and it not benefit mortgage rates positively. Ugh!

  30. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Don’t fall for the nervous feelings the media and Republicans want you to feel.

    The Democratic Party has TWO strong candidates for the nomination and they keep one another on their toes. We the voters win!

    Smile. They’ll wonder what you’re up to. Maybe they’ll even think you’re falling for their plan. ;-)

  31. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    AmWay,

    On that great day of celebration an hour isn’t going to make much difference to me.

  32. Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Thank God, McCain said that we’re winning in Iraq.

    So . . . now that we’re winning, we can pull out, right?

  33. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Fish,

    I think it keeps me on my toes and maybe even helps me try to put my best foot forward in public — that not knowing who is who and realizing any one of them could be…

  34. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    “But damn it, how in the world can the Feds be cutting interest rates, driving up inflation while doing so, and it not benefit mortgage rates positively.”

    Uh, because they are bailing out BANKS and LENDERS not people. They care about Bear Sterns. But about Joe Sterns? Eh, not so much.

  35. Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Good advice on credit cards, AmWay.

    There may be a few special situations in which a person can’t help but rack up some short-term debt, but the vast majority should be carrying NO credit card debt and should pay off the balance every month.

  36. Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Ditto, Farmgrrl, ditto.

    Welfare for people = bad, bad.

    Welfare for corporations = good, good.

    There’s no gridlock in Congress when it comes to helping the rich get richer.

  37. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    “So . . . now that we’re winning, we can pull out, right?”

    Capn that should be the next question to ask Mclame.
    And has Hillery changed her 2013 exit strategy yet?

  38. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Obama and Edwards also said 2013 in the very same debate.

    Huh, did they change their story now?

    Ask again next month, I’m sure they will change their minds again.

  39. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Clinton keeps voting to fund the Iraq war so she must be for it!

  40. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Crowson’s been reading the blogs again.

    I agree with Danae in non sequitur

  41. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I think an elected official who changes their mind as the situation changes is an asset and indicates a person able to think clearly.

  42. Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Clinton is in Michigan begging for the delegates to be seated.

    She conveniently “forgets” that she signed a pledge to take her name off the ballot in Michigan. Everybody else took their name off the ballot except for her!

    Now she wants the delegates to be seated, and she’s going on and on about “everyone’s right to vote–the vote gives voice to the voiceless.”

    This is the person that wants us to trust her enough to be President.

    Yup, she’s a Clinton. No more needs to be said.

    She’s a Clinton.

  43. Nathan
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    CapnAmerica,

    When the Patriots were beating the Giants in the Superbowl, why didn’t they just quit at half time?

    They were winning so why not?

  44. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    On the subject of the rules of the primaries: I want the DNC to stick to the rules agreed to and the consequences everyone knew for breaking the rules. Why have rules if they mean nothing? Both Florida and Michigan need to straighten out the problems they created, and they need to accept the responsibility for breaking the rules.

  45. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    I cant seem to get into the thread about Obama’s speech yesterday, so I’ll post this here.

    Like the author at the link, I guess gay people will get our “this time” speech some “other” time. I suppose he hearts mcclurkin just like wright.

    The comments here are great.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×5140440

  46. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    When the real Patriots were losing and freezing to death in Valley Forge, why didn’t they just quit?

  47. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    So what’s the DNC do now? Do any FL/MI delegates go to the convention and do they get any votes?

    If they get a vote, since they can’t base their vote on how the people voted, how to the choose?

    I bet there will be a wild-card free for all for FL/MI delegates, with money flying all over the place to buy the election.

    In effect then, the MI/FL delegates would be additional Super Delegates.

  48. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    “When the real Patriots were losing and freezing to death in Valley Forge, why didn’t they just quit?”

    Hey Max, weren’t they going to quit? Until George promised them HUGE reenlistment bonuses (which had not been approved by Congress?).

  49. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Gee, maybe by the end of the year every able-bodied in US under 35 will volunteer just for the beans, and bedamned about bullets and bandaids.

  50. writerdog
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Five years later, where are we? The surge is working, who could doubt it? You put a cop on every corner of course crime would go down. But what now, there is still no end game and no exit strategy. There is catchphrase about staying till we win, but what will that take? A stable Iraq, an end to the violence but in reality those too are just catchphrases. Broad undefined statements that catch everything and nothing at the same time. Iraq is a tar baby, we are stick because of our own doing. Iraq is solely our fault and it is up to us to fix it. You can argue the point of whether it was our actions that brought about 9-11. In reality there is some credence to it, in our blindness and with out intent there is some credence. But no it is NOT solely our fault for 9-11, but the mess in Iraq IS. By now we have learned that and we must accept reasonability for it. Our President right or wrong led us to do something that was totally Un-American. But never the less WE are America and what is done in the name of the country is done by all her citizens whether we agree with it or not.

    So how do we get out of Iraq, what is the reality of winning there? An easy answer to the question is not there. The stain upon on us for this can not be removed, that would in reality be the only win to be had.
    We will stay there until that stain can be removed, until that bell can be un-rung until once again we are truly what being America is about. Else until this country who once stood for the best of all people dies a slow death from within. It was the ideals that made this country strong and worth a merciful God’s blessings. How does the killer of the child gain forgiveness? How does he make right what he did?
    How do WE as Americans made right for this greatest mistake this country has ever made?

    By ignoring it and saying it is a part of the war on terror, its not and never has been a part of the war on terror. To say such is more to hide the reality of what it was and to excuse the un-excusable actions.
    To stay till we force fate to accept OUR version of it, sorry fate is not so easily guided in its course.
    No amount of money nor cost in human lives will make it so, while there our enemy the ones whom stuck us are growing and gaining far more strength then they could have if Iraq had not have happened. And that is the cost of Iraq. A win or loss in Iraq will not change that as Iraq has nothing to do with the fight against terrorism. While the building was burning, we set the trash can on fire to try and put a fire out.

    We can not just leave but to stay will cause far more harm to this country than to leave. WE are in the tar baby! Covered in tar and no real way to remove it we stand in place as there seem nothing else we can do.
    So five years later that is where we are, the only hope is the world did finally forgive Germany and Japan for its deeds.

  51. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    max = scroll over territory

  52. Nathan
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Writerdog,

    Only if you completely ignore the training of the Iraqi Security Forces we are doing there, the fact that the Iraqi Security Forces are constantly taking over more and more regions, and the fact that our role is becoming more of a support role and logistics role could you have the opinion you do.

    You have to completely ignore all the things our troops are doing there to think we have no plan, no exit strategy, and are doing little more than playing cop.

    You have become a product of the media fraud which is the Iraq war coverage. The only thing you see is every time a bomb blows up and kills someone.

  53. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink
    “When the real Patriots were losing and freezing to death in Valley Forge, why didn’t they just quit?”

    Hey Max, weren’t they going to quit? Until George promised them HUGE reenlistment bonuses (which had not been approved by Congress?).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=+

    Yeah, they did it for the money. That’s why we have an all-volunteer force now fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Kosovo, and….

  54. Komrade
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Didn’t you love the way Obama sacrificed his grandmother on national television? Never mind that the woman sacrificed to raise Barry, he the audacity of hopelessness (pun intended) to compare a comment she made in private to him with one made by the hateful Pastor.

    Good going, slimebucket.

    Now that Obama has totally interjected race as a dividing issue in the race – it will esclate. He just opened Pandora’s box. Let’s see who flies out first.

  55. J R
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Capn says:

    “She’s a Clinton.”

    Yup and all that entails.

    What’s Obama? How much more do we not know about this racist Republican sympathizer and apologist?

  56. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    “How do WE as Americans made right for this greatest mistake this country has ever made?”

    I don’t know if I’d go that far. This country has been “nation building” since day one.

    And need I post a list of the congress men and women who voted FOR going into Iraq and have voted FOR continuing operations there? Or perhaps, the candidates who will continue this war?

    Don’t like the war? Fine. Join the majority of us.
    But let’s quit hiding behind one political party as the resolution to it. From our founding days, Americans have been adventurists – interferring in the internal affairs and invading other countries. Our young men and women have been dying for politicans from ALL parties and both congress and the presidency for centuries.

    Why? Because they keep us divided into political parties so we can blame each other, instead of the politicians who actually ACTED.

    We need a national review of the Wars Power Act, and the constitutional authority to send our men and women to mortal combat. We need to examine HOW we get to the point of no return. We need to enact standards, thresholds, and PUBLIC procedures for actions by our Congress and our President to FOLLOW before committing America to war. This includes any prelude to war (funding foreign opposition parties to overthrow or win, providing war materiels,) and clear agreement on intelligence estimates. This should review should happen NOW!

    But regardless, we will go to war again (I suspect straightforward capture of oil fields). American people will change their minds, public opinion will change, and politicans will become weak kneed in their resolve.

    So unless we only go to war with a popular vote of the people, we will be down this road again.

  57. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Max,

    That is the problem of both the legislature and the voters in those two states. The legislators set the primary dates with full knowledge of the rules and the consequences for breaking those rules. They were even reminded several times.

    The rules were set and agreed to unanimously by a group that included Florida and Michigan representation.

    I don’t know about the state of Michigan but Florida set their primary date seven months before it happened. The voters should have done something then to ensure their votes would count.

    Until WE THE PEOPLE accept our responsibilities we will continue to get what we deserve in and from our elected officials.

    They know they are elected by a tiny number of WE THE PEOPLE and they hope we don’t pay careful attention once they get the job.

    I haven’t seen much indication they are wrong.

  58. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
    max = scroll over territory

    ksfarmgrrl, I don’t get it. Are you having a lovers quarrel with Max today? Or is there something wrong with his posts that I am not seeing? Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? Are wheat prices down?

    What’s up?

  59. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Komrade
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink
    Didn’t you love the way Obama sacrificed his grandmother on national television? Never mind that the woman sacrificed to raise Barry, he the audacity of hopelessness (pun intended) to compare a comment she made in private to him with one made by the hateful Pastor.

    Good going, slimebucket.

    Now that Obama has totally interjected race as a dividing issue in the race – it will esclate. He just opened Pandora’s box. Let’s see who flies out first.
    ==================================================

    1) Obama has been playing the race card from day one. Don’t let the press fool you on that.

    2) ANGER. Obama used the word ANGER 10 Times in that speech yesterday. You don’t attend a radical extremist church for 20 years, and not buy in to the Anger and Hate.

    3) Obama’s so filled with Hate and Anger that he’ll throw his grandmother and anyone else under that bus in order to get elected.

    4) Obama is a very smooth car salesman, talking a line that can easily deceive someone who only listens to what sounds good. The devil is in the details.

    5) Obama is full of fluff and hyperbole. Hope, Change, Uniting America. No specifics and no details, just Hope, and Change, and Uniting America.

    6) Obama is hiding the details of HOW.

    7) Obama is a car salesman speaking eloquent bullshit.

    8. The sheep believe him.

  60. American Way
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Darn it Max! Quit telling the truth about Obama!
    I want him to beat Hillery!

  61. Steven Davis
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Don’t you just love it when haters accuse others of being haters? Project much? Nah, I didn’t think so.

    This in today’s paper:

    http://www.kansas.com/205/story/345595.html

    And maybe Amway can tell us again how younger workers should pay for this debt while he should not. He paid into Social Security and Medicare and is expecting to get some back – or as Pink Floyd said – “Keep your hands off of my stack!”

    Republicans always show what good citizens they are when you discuss THEIR money. LOL :)

  62. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    It’s hard to tell who will steal the nomination.

    It’s best to just fire at will, and let the voters sort it out in November.

    If McCain keeps his mouth shut, if there is no Independent candidate to screw-up the election (the only way Clinton I won), then the Dems will continue to devour their own – with our help.

    The Dem’s can’t help but be divisive, they are caught between Barock and a Hard Place.

  63. Rage
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Max’s “truth” is just more silly rhetoric. As usual.

    Here’s an article about the whole Rezko business, from the Chicago Sun-Times. I don’t see too much there, other than a possible conflict of interest when Obama worked at a law firm representing a Rezko company. But here it is (and it’s not new), dig in:

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-NWS-obama13.article

  64. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Did our elders pay for their debt?

    Passing on the burden of paying for the older generation, to the younger generation.

    That’s what Social InSecurity is all about.

  65. Songbird
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Well, Parkay, if you’re anywhere within ear or eyeshot today – I just watched the video you cited yesterday. Someone (maybe the Deity???) restored that video to its original viability – so the semi-viable Songbird watched it.

    The audio wasn’t pristine, so I didn’t hear the part about Dr. Tiller “performing abortions up until the moment of birth.” I did, however, hear him express very definite moral concerns about certain acts. I did, however, pick up on the fact that the “interviewer” seemed fixated on Mr. Obama – and not the morality/immorality of abortion.

    I also heard the co-ed ask Dr. Tiller whom he would be voting for – as if that’s any of anyone’s business – any more than asking the twit when she had her last menstrual period.

    I’m afraid that, if the purpose of this video is to demonize Dr. Tiller, it probably failed. I must attest that one’s ongoing concerns about abortion – certainly late-term abortion – won’t be affected either way by this offering.

    I still have grave concerns about very definite areas of this debate; I remain wholly unconvinced that I have the overweening right to say, “Because …….. happened to me – emotionally – six months after the abortion – it WILL and HAS happened to every other woman.”

    What right have I to do this? Were I to do this, women would have the right to be cruel to me in return. “I wasn’t an idiot; I didn’t sleep with my own rapist,” they could say. “What sort of authority are YOU?”

    When it comes to late-term procedures – and the issue of fetal viability, however, I believe the moral dimensions transcend anyone’s beliefs, feelings or experiences.

  66. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    It’s hard to see thru Rose Colored Glasses:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433485.ece

    Obama’s friend Rezko was born in Syria.

    Obama’s billionaire friend Nadhmi Auchi was born in Iraq.

    Obama has been bought. A $2.6 Million house on a US Senator’s salary? Hmmm……

    Salary for a US Senator is $169,000 per year.

    Obama must be one of the victim’s of the sub-prime loan scandals to be able to afford a house that is 15 TIMES his annual salary.

    How many average Joe’s out there making $30,000 per year are living in a $450,000 house?

  67. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    It’s just Silly Rhetoric.

  68. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    There goes the Jewish vote….for Obama.

    Jews Now Drawn Deeper Into Racial Politics
    As Obama surges, new round of e-mails raises specter of Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton.

    by James D. Besser
    Washington Correspondent

    With Sen. Barack Obama surging in his drive for the Democratic presidential nomination, a Jewish community that remains liberal on civil rights issues — but is also affected by black anti-Semitism, concerns about Israel and what one analyst called “latent racism” — is getting drawn deeper into bitter racial politics.

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c39_a4619/News/International.html

  69. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Is Obama telling lies about his position on Israel, just like he’s telling lies about his position on the 2nd Amendment?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/27/AR2008022703512.html

    REASSURING JEWISH VOTERS
    Obama Rebuffs Challenges on His Israel Stance

    By Jonathan Weisman
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, February 28, 2008; Page A08

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is engaged in a concerted effort to reassure Jewish leaders in the face of an increasingly aggressive Republican campaign to question his tolerance and his commitment to supporting Israel.

  70. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Palestinian people suffer-but from not recognizing Israel
    Q: You said recently, “No one is suffering more than the Palestinian people.” Do you stand by that remark?
    A: Well, keep in mind what the remark actually, if you had the whole thing, said. And what I said is nobody has suffered more than the Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel, to renounce violence, and to get serious about negotiating peace and security for the region. Israel is the linchpin of much of our efforts in the Middle East.

    Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC Apr 26, 2007

    http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Foreign_Policy.htm

  71. Rage
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    It’s just Silly Rhetoric.

    Hey, at least you acknowledge it.

  72. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    So I’m guessing by now that Brownlee won’t implement a sign-in for this Blog.

    It is ridiculously simple to do and there is zero reason (in my mind) not to do it.

    They have sign-ins on all the other Wichita Eagle blogs.

    Guess that is your answer Hank – silence from Brownlee.

    He simply can’t be relied upon.

  73. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    He has been honest with everyone who addresses this question. It isn’t that they can’t do it, it’s always been they don’t want the responsibility that goes with the sign on. He has never said anything differently. He’ll hum and hah about changes and the fact of the blog not being controlled from here and… But, he hasn’t ever promised anyone an actual sign-in.

    Even with a sign-in the problems wouldn’t end. Until posters learn we each have an opinion as good and useless as any other, until we learn to control our need for rebuttal, until we learn there doesn’t need to be a loser, until we each hold ourself to a standard of conduct, we’re stuck with us and all our warts.

  74. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    I guarantee if I was the Blog Monitor, there would be less attacking and harassing of posters. :)

    …or there would be far fewer posters…

  75. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Let’s just silence the Liberals.

    Censor! Bring on the Censor!

  76. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Well, Regular, count me as one who is well pleased you aren’t a Blog Monitor.

  77. Dennis
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    You want to quit worrying about credit card late fees, high interest rates, all of the other thieving ways they have of ripping you off?

    Don’t have one. Carry a debit card. If you don’t have to money to afford something, don’t buy it.

    Ah, but I need one for emergencies… How many times in the past have you had an emergency you couldn’t handle some other way?

    Credit cards are the biggest legal rip-off ever invented, except for WalMart, and people have fallen for it.

  78. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Why is that lindainks55?

    I’ve never seen anything you’ve posted that would count as harassment.

    People like J R who constantly threaten people with real life information need to be booted from the blog.

    A perfect example of this was his harassment of Econ101 last night.

    Personally, since Brownlee hasn’t provided a solution, I think Hank should ‘leak’ JR’s information on this blog and see if he can handle having his real life information posted on this blog – on a daily basis like he has done to others.

    Then the Capn would be next. I want to see them squirm and squeal.

  79. TDT
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Nathan
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink
    Writerdog,

    Only if you completely ignore the training of the Iraqi Security Forces we are doing there, the fact that the Iraqi Security Forces are constantly taking over more and more regions, and the fact that our role is becoming more of a support role and logistics role could you have the opinion you do.

    Nathan – If the Iraqi Security Forces are constantly taking over more and more regions, then why haven’t we been able to withdraw more and more troops at the rate they are taking over regions?

  80. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Dennis,

    I do some online buying – maintenance prescriptions, travel needs, some gifts… I don’t like using my debit card for online purchases as it is tied to my bank accounts. I’m still leery of this new way of doing business. I use the credit card and pay it off monthly ensuring they never get a penny more than I spent. No annual fees either.

  81. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    What I saw and see in those almost nightly exchanges is NO ONE takes the high road. Each participant seems to need the last word, each participant eggs the situation on by not controlling their need for a rebuttal. If one QUITS, the other(s) surely would look even more guilty if they continue the nonsense on their own.

    I don’t think there always needs to be a loser.

    I see some posts that don’t deserve a response.

    But that’s just me. I’m a coward and a pacifist.

  82. Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
    I guarantee if I was the Blog Monitor, there would be less attacking and harassing of posters.
    ===========================================

    Pot meet kettle LOL

  83. Rage
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Here’s a more objective account of what Max was ranting about upthread (the London Times story actually referred to Rezko as Obama’s “bag man”–no bias there!):

    http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed1/idUSN0336026420080304

  84. Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Rage — Max always rants ROFL!!

  85. Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Limbaugh is going NUTS playing tape of some “preacher” from Harlem…. Dont know anything about the “credentials” of the Harlem preacher… Rush says its on YouTube, from February 16 — which was a Saturday…

  86. Rage
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Aw, c’mon, Chas, you can’t call this ranting:

    Obama’s friend Rezko was born in Syria.

    Obama’s billionaire friend Nadhmi Auchi was born in Iraq.

    C’mon, don’t think–react! SYRIA!! IRAQ!! SCARY ARABS!!! BOOGITY!!

  87. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Hey Steven, I meant to say congrats on the letter to the editor. I just got sucked into the bloggery when I got here. :)

    It was a great letter, and one subject, like water, that no one really wants to deal with.

  88. Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Rage — And one of Bushie’s best buddies is King of Saudi Arabia… LOL

  89. Nathan
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    TDT,

    We still play a support role in those regions, we also are using more troops to help in the more troubled regions too.

    It is not as simple as simply saying, “here you go, this corner is yours” and hoping on a helicoter and leaving.

  90. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    I went back as far as last Sunday’s paper without finding your letter. When did the Eagle staff finally get smart enough to publich your letter, Steven?

  91. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    or maybe publish. I should know better than to post from this laptop. But it’s soooo pleasant outside in the sun.

  92. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    I saw it online today, Linda!

  93. Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    VIDEO clip being played by Limbaugh… Preacher calls Obama’s Mama TRASH…. Hmmmm…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

    This is worse trash than Rev. Wright!!

  94. Rage
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Hey, does everyone remember the non-stop media frenzy over the McClurkin incident?

    Me neither.

    It’s depressing, but the fact is that supporters of gay rights don’t have that much clout (at the national level anyway), and the corporate tabloid news won’t think it’s an issue unless we make it one. This is 1964, and the official segregationist party will be seated, Hubert Humphrey’s tears notwithstanding.

    Barack Obama has a good record, actually, going back to the Illinois Senate. But I think it’s incumbent upon Obama supporters– especially gay Obama supporters–to gently remind the man of the positions he’s taken on gay rights, should he become president, and be willing to defend him vigorously when he gets the heat.

    I’m thinking of Bill Clinton. He was the first successful presidential candidate to really reach out to the gay community. His first week of office, he kept a promise–and was roundly pilloried, and caved in.

    Four years later, he was signing the Defense of Marriage Act. Principle gave way to political expediency.

    I don’t believe for a minute that Barack Obama is a bigot, but the Jeremiah Wright business is more relevant than we might think. There is a nasty strain of hatred in some black churches out there (even if the UCC isn’t neccesarily one of them). We saw that in Kansas.

    Obama stuck his finger in the water at Martin Luther King’s church–with a single sentence–but I suspect his relatively muted response was, once again, due to not wanting to poke them in the eye–love ‘em or hate ‘em, his people– too hard .

    His amazing rise in politics aside, on this issue, it sucks to be him. No doubt his political advisors are telling him to be low-key about gay rights. Unfortunately, there’s some wisdom in that approach.

    But since politics is the art horse-trading, I think the real issue is not whether he personally supports gay rights (I’m convinced he does), but rather the amount of value he will assign to that particular horse, when the deals are being made. It’s a concern.

    He has already shown that he can deal with these kind of “hot-button” issues in a thoughtful and surprisingly frank manner. He needs to do that, before something happens (say, he deeply offends some homophobes ), that is deemed worthy of discussion by the tabloid media, and he’s forced to address it then.

    And I think, despite the electoral backlash we’ve seen in recent years, America is finally ready.

  95. Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Rage — I’m sure Limbaugh and others are working on the gay issue — probably part of the Spew Obama project!!

  96. Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Limbaugh’s Electioneering scam, Operation Chaos, sure looks like inter-state racketeering to some extent… Wonder if anybody has thought about charging him with something??

  97. Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    61% of Americans say we should pull out most if not all of our troops. 33% say stay the course..

    Gee, looks like opponents are in the majority… if majority is supposed to rule, then we should be getting out, right?? LOL

  98. Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    We need to resurrect the Hippies… to help us put on a huge old-fashioned War Protest march!! The Hippies knew how to do that!!

    Bring back Hippiedom… Make Love/Not War!!

  99. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    I’ve thought the 60s was the best decade. then again it was the decade of my childhood.

  100. J R
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m for that Chas.

    I’m too young to remember the 60’s. From what I can gather, it was the high water mark for this country. Pretty much downhill since then.

  101. Songbird
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Make Love, Not War……

    Guns are Hazardous to Children and Other Living Things……

    I remember seeing those slogans in the early 1970s. Oh, to be young, idealistic, untainted by disillusion and/or rape, free of this f–king arthritis in my aging hips, oh…..the list goes on and on.

    I’ve never participated in a gay rights and/or anti-war march – but I sure wanted to. I’m 100% for affirming the innate dignity of all human life: straight, gay, male, female, hermaphroditic (unless we’re talking about Ann Coulter), what have you.

    This frustrated flower child still has some hippiedom in her. In fact, I’m wearing a peach flower in my flowing tresses today, and I look bitchin’ – as a matter of fact. I’ve received a lotta compliments on the thing, anyway.

    Oh, to be young. Again.

  102. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    JR, i have to admit, the 60s was riding on the coattails of the 50s. Ike did a fair job for this country before Kennedy did his li’l bit (all told, I don’t think he really did THAT much for the country ‘cept for the space program). It’s just a good thing Nixon didn’t get in the 12 years earlier than he did.
    Then again, that dozen years of youth and HE may have been a decent president.

  103. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    The 60s should have been the decade of my youth but I made decisions that tied me to responsibilities. So, I’m making this decade the one of my youth. My gray hair, overly stuffed figure and wrinkles allow me to be even more outrageous without being questioned about my maturity. I have heard the word senility uttered tho.

    My youngest grandchild is a girl 10 years old. Recently, when I said something she thought more outrageous than most she commented, “Boy, I should take you for show and tell!” I responded, “But, all the kids have grandparents, I wouldn’t be unique.” To which she said, “Trust me, Grandma. You would be!”

  104. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t be unique.” To which she said, “Trust me, Grandma. You would be!”

    That’s a good thing, Linda.

    Don’t you wanna be a non-conformist just like everyone else?
    *ducks*

  105. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    As a “child of the 60s”, what is so romantically remembered about that decade by either side of any discussion thereof depends on one’s political orientation. The first five years or so of the 60s was, by and large, quiet from a political perspective. Yes, there were the Civil Rights marches, etc., and the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but by and large, the body politic was quiet. The draft hadn’t started hitting the middle class and the so-called upper class, most folks were concerned with finishing their educations, getting a job, starting a family, etc.

    The last part of the 60s was the time of the anti-war demonstrations, the protest marches of not only the war, but the push for women’s rights, more full implementation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, etc., etc., and the body politic becoming more energized and involved. That part of the decade, especially 1968 on, was a very interesting time to be alive and old enough to be on campus, as I was; a very interesting time indeed.

  106. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    And, in a reflective mood, I return to work, recalling these words attributed to David Crosby: “We were right about the war, we were right about civil rights, but we were wrong about drugs”.

  107. Dennis
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Linda, i think i love you.

    BTW, i use my personal and my business debit cards online and haven’t had any problem. Then again, I’m careful about what I buy. I’m not sure it would be a good idea to trust my finances to a porn site, for instance.

  108. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    In 68 I was still in Jr High. Participated in a few ’school walkout’ demonstrations against the war. I never felt like part of a political process, just kinda felt it was the right thing to do. Plus it was a quasi-sanctioned ditch day LOL

    Then I fell for the ‘Kill a Commie for Mommy’ rhetoric and joined up in 73, going active in 74 right after HS grad. Btween swearing in standing on the yellow footprints I wondered whatever I had gotten myself into. Luckily the whole thing fell through while I was in boot camp.

    Through this whole time I never gave a thught at all about political ramifications–only doing what I felt to be correct at that particular time. I’ve thought most of the world was this way–apolitical–and just did what they felt was right. Some do what’s right for themselves alone, and others do what is right for the world in general.

  109. Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Vaughn — I agree with Crosby!!

  110. Songbird
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    I’ve heard David Crosby disparage something else from the flowerful 1960s: His and other musicians’ prodigious usage of groupies. “We were all over them – like sharks on sheep,” he said.

    That being said, I have a lot of fondness for the former Byrd-man and Crosby, Stills & Nash frontman. I’ve seen him interviewed by Larry King and others, and his newly-drug-free self is endearing. He talks copiously about love and tolerance. And here’s something else……

    Remember the immortal “Turn! Turn! Turn!” from 1965? Crosby’s was the shimmering voice heard on these words: “A time for p-e-a-c-e…..I swear it’s not too late.” He had that special “something” in his voice – and on that song – and other Byrds offerings – it was in full abundance.

    When I remember the sixties – I remember the wondrous music. Not the rampant, mindless gutterf–king. The sexual orientation, in the words of a liberal Catholic theologian (Richard Sipe), was and is a “very mixed bag.” I agree heartily with that statement.

    But the music………oh, the music……..its beauty will endure forever.

  111. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure it would be a good idea to trust my finances to a porn site, for instance

    those may be the only corporations in business a year from now. And bars.

  112. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Songbird, I don’t recall who said this, but “David Crosby was put on this earth for one purpose: to sing harmony”. I could not agree more.

    I also could not agree more with your observations on the music of the 1960s.

  113. lindainks55
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Maybe we should make plans now to meet there. We’ll all need some diversion.

    Ah, music! The universal language. What would live be without music and books? Surely not very worthwhile.

  114. Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    “I guarantee if I was the Blog Monitor, there would be less attacking and harassing of posters”

    You mean, like the attacking and harassing that YOU do?

  115. Posted March 19, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    For anybody who would like to see what Obama REALLY said yesterday, I offer >>>>>

    http://colorofchange.org/obama/text.html?id=1837-225221

  116. writerdog
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Nathan I would actually be the last to admit we have not done some good there, I am a firm believer in the old adage of “All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing!”. Our military is the best ambassadors this country has had since Ben Franklin in Paris. That said, you and I will whole heartedly agree on this point. We have to prevail! We have to leave Iraq in the very best shape it can be and in a sense better then the United States! But where we may part ways is, it is this country’s penance and our only atonement for having done such a thing without cause and without justification. AS I said the cost of this action is that our real enemy the ones whom attacked us are now stronger and gained more power with the invasion and the occupation of Iraq by us. The media does not tell me that, hell the media is pretty pointless and there is not one that will give the total honest truth about the good or the bad that has happen!

    I know enough people in my everyday life to know how those whom have been there feel about it. All the good that occurs that they get angry because the media is not reporting it. Just in passing I have come to know many who served in Vietnam. To the man everyone of them could tell you much what one told me.
    He hated the war and hate the government for sending him there. Until he had been there and seen the outrages done by the V.C. He knew that someone had to take a stand and he felt good that he could be someone! over ten years later he still hated the Vietnam war but felt honor to have done his part.
    But what I am saying is that is the way our soldiers are and it is what they do.

    If it had not been that the fight was about protecting America from those wanting to destroy her. Than perhaps the morality of Iraq would not be the issue. Saddam was a bad man there is no doubt.
    But its like the neighbor to the South is shooting at your house and you shoot and kill the neighbor to the North whom was not the threat at the time. Not only is it madness it is morality wrong and as such you are damned for doing it. We need to stop doing a holding action and bring right that which we wronged.

    And yes, I have thought we owed the Iraqis this morally for some time. The Kurds were slaughtered because we told them if they upraised we would back them and we failed to. Same with the Shiites and both were slaughtered by Saddam. But not this way, we have failed them again by being in the wrong at the wrong time. By trying to be nation builders instead of allies and friends, why would not most Iraqis have a love/ hate for us. WE went in to depose a dictator and then told them we know best and they must do as we say. And all the time the Terrorists have been gaining because of our folly.

  117. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Yes Vaughn. The Beatles’ Albums tell the story of the 60’s. Short hair on the early albums, long on the later albums.

  118. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Hair! It must be long hair that made the difference!

  119. Door King
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    We need to resurrect the Hippies… to help us put on a huge old-fashioned War Protest march!! The Hippies knew how to do that!!

    We don’t need resurrection; we’re still around. Come see us at the Kerrville Music Festival in May June.

  120. Political_mama
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Ya’ll need to read the actual legislation that the House just passed. Basically it says that IF the parents, HUSBAND, or anyone else disagrees with the woman’s choice for her abortion…THEY can press charges on the doctor on her behalf, even if SHE doesn’t want them to.

    So imagine, I go in for an abortion, and my husband finds out after the fact and is angry. He can turn around and charge my doctor.

    Why this passed is beyond me, it’s a completely utter disregard for a woman’s right to choose.

    If they can’t take away HER right, they’ll go after the doctor and make him pay for her choice.

    This is SUCH bs. Someone needs to kick a whole lot of people out of the senate. They’ll do this, but they won’t even consider giving equal rights to women under the constitution.

    Now I know why, they want others to be responsible for our actions.

  121. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    It takes two to conceive PMom, however, if you want the right to be the ultimately selfish (insert B word), I suppose it’s your right to be so.

  122. ANTI
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Political_mama-

    Does the father of the child have no rights? It take two to make a baby, I think the father should have a say whether it is aborted or not.

  123. parkay
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    As Songbird will attest, an improved copy is now available of the Students for Life of America video taped comments of an exclusive interview with late-term abortionist quack George Tiller at a Feminist Majority Foundation Conference held at the National Education Association (NEA) in Washington, DC on March 9, 2008. That video has been posted to YouTube.com , wherein you will hear quack Tiller say he has done late abortions up to the day before delivery, show photos he collected of the dead bodies of babies he aborted, admit he never heard of the Federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act, and describe babies with handicaps as burdens on women and society.
    Tiller also says an abortionist who allows a baby to be born alive during an abortion ought to have his head beat in, for being sloppy. One of Tiller’s tiny botched abortion victims, shot in the head instead of in the heart with Tiller’s poison needle during a post-viable abortion years ago, was born alive and dumped in an emergency room parking lot, eventually getting medical care later and being adopted. She lived 5 years, eventually succumbing to the long-term effects of Tillers quackery. She never walked, she never talked. Sometimes, she smiled through her blindness.
    See news page
    http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=889
    - – -

    Colorado for Equal Rights has more than half the 76,000 petition signatures needed by May 13 to put the Human Life Amendment to the Colorado Constitution on the November ballot, defining human life as beginning at conception. A similar amendment is proposed in Montana.
    Planned Parenthood takes the clear position that babies are not human before birth – they are – - – something else.
    - – -

    Since Oregon’s assisted murder law took effect, 341 patients have killed themselves, and the annual rate of deaths is increasing. During 2007, not one patient who died was referred for psychiatric or psychological evaluation, such as for an episode of depression, before receiving the prescription for lethal drugs.

  124. Political_mama
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Until the father can carry the child and take the risk, then NO, he has no right to say what the woman does with her body. There is no better way to keep a woman ‘in her place’ than to take away her rights to her own decisions.

    A GOOD father and good marriage, this wouldn’t be an issue, now would it?

  125. Political_mama
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    parkay always always lies, and never apologizes for it. Apparently God has given him permission as it furthers his anti-woman view.

    OF COURSE people who are dying are depressed, gee ya think? That doesn’t mean they can’t make informed decisions about their end of life care. I will bet that they all met the guidelines for physician assisted suicide.
    But of course, freakshow antis can’t handle that, they MUST DIE IN PAIN AND DRAWN OUT.

    as far as human life beginning at conception, why not sperm? Is a cell not ‘living’ until it dies? you can see the tails whipping around, obviously it is alive. Heck my eyeball is alive too. So does that mean they can’t remove it if diseased?

    SAVE MY EYEBALL IT IS LIFE.

  126. Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    PMama — that law sounds eerily similar to laws governing women in Saudi Arabia!! Well, except for the beheading part –

  127. cosmos
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    It seems that McCain does not know the difference between Shiite and Sunni sects. And we are supposed to trust him to answer the “red phone” at 3 AM?

    ‘A McCain Gaffe in Jordan’
    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/18/a_mccain_gaffe_in_jordan.html
    “[McCain] said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.”

    ‘AP, CNN ignored McCain’s “gaffe” on Al Qaeda’
    http://mediamatters.org/items/200803180005

  128. Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos, thats because many Americans dont understand that Islam has “denominations” (factions) much like Christianity, Hinduism, and even Judaism… Ya just cant lump them all together and call it one…

  129. outlander
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    The Mystery of Global Warming’s Missing Heat

    “Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren’t quite understanding what their robots are telling them.

    This is puzzling in part because here on the surface of the Earth, the years since 2003 have been some of the hottest on record. But Josh Willis at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory says the oceans are what really matter when it comes to global warming.

    In fact, 80 percent to 90 percent of global warming involves heating up ocean waters. They hold much more heat than the atmosphere can. So Willis has been studying the ocean with a fleet of robotic instruments called the Argo system. The buoys can dive 3,000 feet down and measure ocean temperature. Since the system was fully deployed in 2003, it has recorded no warming of the global oceans.

    But if the aquatic robots are actually telling the right story, that raises a new question: Where is the extra heat all going?

    Kevin Trenberth at the National Center for Atmospheric Research says it’s probably going back out into space. The Earth has a number of natural thermostats, including clouds, which can either trap heat and turn up the temperature, or reflect sunlight and help cool the planet.”

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025

    ———————

    So, global climate change doesn’t seem to be as simple as the programmers of the computer models allow for. Could this be the end of the alarmist propaganda for this generation? We can only hope.

  130. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Outlander!

    Now Cosmos will launch 10,000 posts!

    Heading to the shelter, it be raining BS for the duration of the evening.

  131. Max
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Links, please most many links!

  132. J R
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    outlander

    What is to lose by addressing global warming proactively?

  133. cosmos
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    outlander,

    You forgot to quote an important point at your NPR link:

    Trenberth and Willis agree that a few mild years have no effect on the long-term trend of global warming.

    And the observed long-term global ocean heat content change does match the climate model projections.

  134. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    It looks like Brownlee won’t do anything with this blog, so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.

    Be prepared to get ugly spilled upon you.

    Brownlee wants this blog to be amateur hour, well here it comes.

    You’ll never know when it strikes.

  135. outlander
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    I think the most relevant quote in the article, Cosmos, is this one:

    “Kevin Trenberth at the National Center for Atmospheric Research says it’s probably going back out into space. The Earth has a number of natural thermostats, including clouds, which can either trap heat and turn up the temperature, or reflect sunlight and help cool the planet.”

    Essentially this is saying that we don’t know where the heat went (probably to outer space) and that we don’t know what effect that cloud cover plays in heating or cooling of the earth.

  136. outlander
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Nothing to lose JR.

    Just as long as we don’t get silly about it.

  137. Ben
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Outlander – i heard that story this morning too. From your link:

    “But in fact there’s a little bit of a mystery. We can’t account for all of the sea level increase we’ve seen over the last three or four years,” he says.
    One possibility is that the sea has, in fact, warmed and expanded — and scientists are somehow misinterpreting the data from the diving buoys.
    Trenberth and Willis agree that a few mild years have no effect on the long-term trend of global warming.”

    Note that the volume has INCREASED which is inconsistent with cooling – UNLESS – the colling measured is related to runoff from glacier melt. IF the seas were cooling the volume would DECREASE – not INCREASE – and sea levels would fall. The opposite is observed.

  138. J R
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    What was it you used to say about the Great Experiment Ben?

    See outlander? Your post here is self defeating.

    You present something that can be explained or not by any number of variables.

    Pumping ever increasing amounts of the global warming gas CO2 into the atmosphere at LEAST merits serious consideration. It is a variable.

  139. cosmos
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Also, there were Argo data errors in a 2006 study, and a correction was issued in July 2007.

    ‘Climate myths: The oceans are cooling’
    http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11664

  140. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Continental drift,erosion, weather and tectonics also affect sea levels in certain areas. It’s not always about co2 and warming.

  141. cosmos
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/warming_ocean/welcome.html#comparing
    “Put in other terms, the sudden release of this energy from the ocean would warm the bottom 10 km (6.2 mi) of the atmosphere approximately 22 degrees Celsius (40 degrees Fahrenheit).”

  142. poster
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Spring keeps coming earlier for birds, bees, trees

    By Seth Borenstein, AP Science Writer

    WASHINGTON — The capital’s famous cherry trees are primed to burst out in a perfect pink peak about the end of this month. Thirty years ago, the trees usually waited to bloom till around April 5.
    In central California, the first of the field skipper sachem, a drab little butterfly, was fluttering about on March 12. Just 25 years ago, that creature predictably emerged there anywhere from mid-April to mid-May.

    And sneezes are coming earlier in Philadelphia. On March 9, when allergist Dr. Donald Dvorin set up his monitor, maple pollen was already heavy in the air. Less than two decades ago, that pollen couldn’t be measured until late April.

    Pollen is bursting. Critters are stirring. Buds are swelling. Biologists are worrying.

    “The alarm clock that all the plants and animals are listening to is running too fast,” Stanford University biologist Terry Root said.

    Blame global warming.

    The fingerprints of man-made climate change are evident in seasonal timing changes for thousands of species on Earth, according to dozens of studies and last year’s authoritative report by the Nobel Prize-winning international climate scientists. More than 30 scientists told The Associated Press how global warming is affecting plants and animals at springtime across the country, in nearly every state.

    What’s happening is so noticeable that scientists can track it from space. Satellites measuring when land turns green found that spring “green-up” is arriving eight hours earlier every year on average since 1982 north of the Mason-Dixon line. In much of Florida and southern Texas and Louisiana, the satellites show spring coming a tad later, and bizarrely, in a complicated way, global warming can explain that too, the scientists said.

    Biological timing is called phenology. Biological spring, which this year begins at 1:48 a.m. ET Thursday, is based on the tilt of the Earth as it circles the sun. The federal government and some university scientists are so alarmed by the changes that last fall they created a National Phenology Network at the U.S. Geological Survey to monitor these changes.

    The idea, said biologist and network director Jake Weltzin, is “to better understand the changes, and more important what do they mean? How does it affect humankind?”

    There are winners, losers and lots of unknowns when global warming messes with natural timing. People may appreciate the smaller heating bills from shorter winters, the longer growing season and maybe even better tasting wines from some early grape harvests. But biologists also foresee big problems.

    The changes could push some species to extinction. That’s because certain plants and animals are dependent on each other for food and shelter. If the plants bloom or bear fruit before animals return or surface from hibernation, the critters could starve. Also, plants that bud too early can still be whacked by a late freeze.

    The young of tree swallows — which in upstate New York are laying eggs nine days earlier than in the 1960s — often starve in those last gasp cold snaps because insects stop flying in the cold, ornithologists said. University of Maryland biology professor David Inouye noticed an unusually early February robin in his neighborhood this year and noted, “Sometimes the early bird is the one that’s killed by the winter storm.”

    The checkerspot butterfly disappeared from Stanford’s Jasper Ridge preserve because shifts in rainfall patterns changed the timing of plants on which it develops. When the plant dries out too early, the caterpillars die, said Notre Dame biology professor Jessica Hellmann.

    “It’s an early warning sign in that it’s an additional onslaught that a lot of our threatened species can’t handle,” Hellmann said.

    It’s not easy on some people either. A controlled federal field study shows that warmer temperatures and increased carbon dioxide cause earlier, longer and stronger allergy seasons.

    “For wind-pollinated plants, it’s probably the strongest signal we have yet of climate change,” said University of Massachusetts professor of aerobiology Christine Rogers. “It’s a huge health impact. Seventeen percent of the American population is allergic to pollen.”

    While some plants and animals use the amount of sunlight to figure out when it is spring, others base it on heat building in their tissues, much like a roasting turkey with a pop-up thermometer. Around the world, those internal thermometers are going to “pop” earlier than they once did.

    This past winter’s weather could send a mixed message. Globally, it was the coolest December through February since 2001 and a year of heavy snowfall. Despite that, it was still warmer than average for the 20th century.

    Phenology data go back to the 14th century for harvest of wine grapes in France. There is a change in the timing of fall, but the change is biggest in spring. In the 1980s there was a sudden, big leap forward in spring blooming, scientists noticed. And spring keeps coming earlier at an accelerating rate.

    Unlike sea ice in the Arctic, the way climate change is tinkering with the natural timing of day-to-day life is concrete and local. People can experience it with all five senses:

    • You can see the trees and bushes blooming earlier. A photo of Lowell Cemetery, in Lowell, Mass., taken May 30, 1868, shows bare limbs. But the same scene photographed May 30, 2005, by Boston University biology professor Richard Primack shows them in full spring greenery.

    • You can smell the lilacs and honeysuckle. In the West they are coming out two to four days earlier each decade over more than half a century, according to a 2001 study.

    • You can hear it in the birds. Scientists in Gothic, Colo., have watched the first robin of spring arrive earlier each year in that mountain ghost town, marching forward from April 9 in 1981 to March 14 last year. This year, heavy snows may keep the birds away until April.

    • You can feel it in your nose from increased allergies. Spring airborne pollen is being released about 20 hours earlier every year, according to a Swiss study that looked at common allergies since 1979.

    • You can even taste it in the honey. Bees, which sample many plants, are producing their peak amount of honey weeks earlier. The nectar is coming from different plants now, which means noticeably different honey — at least in Highland, Md., where Wayne Esaias has been monitoring honey production since 1992. Instead of the rich, red, earthy tulip poplar honey that used to be prevalent, bees are producing lighter, fruitier black locust honey. Esaias, a NASA oceanographer as well as beekeeper, says global warming is a factor.

    In Washington, seven of the last 20 Cherry Blossom Festivals have started after peak bloom. This year will be close, the National Park Service predicts. Last year, Knoxville’s dogwood blooms came and went before the city’s dogwood festival started. Boston’s Arnold Arboretum permanently rescheduled Lilac Sunday to a May date eight days earlier than it once was.

    Even western wildfires have a timing connection to global warming and are coming earlier. An early spring generally means the plants that fuel fires are drier, producing nastier fire seasons, said University of Arizona geology professor Steve Yool. It’s such a good correlation that Weltzin, the phenology network director, is talking about using real-time lilac data to predict upcoming fire seasons. Lilacs, which are found in most parts of the country, offer some of the broadest climate overview data going back to the 1950s.

    This year, though, it’s the early red maple that’s creating buzz, as well as sniffles. A New Jersey conservationist posted an urgent message on a biology listserv on Feb. 1 about the early blooming. A 2001 study found that since 1970, that tree is blossoming on average at least 19 days earlier in Washington, D.C.

    Such changes have “implications for the animals that are dependent on this plant,” Weltzin said, as he stood beneath a blooming red maple in late February. By the time the animals arrive, “the flowers may already be done for the year.” The animals may have to find a new food source.

    “It’s all a part of life,” Weltzin said. “Timing is everything.”

    Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  143. Regular
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Spring keeps coming earlier for birds, bees, trees

    Then there were once woolly mammoths that once roamed North America that didn’t worry about no stinkin’ spring.

  144. Posted March 19, 2008 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Buffalo too ROFL!!

  145. outlander
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    • You can see the trees and bushes blooming earlier. A photo of Lowell Cemetery, in Lowell, Mass., taken May 30, 1868, shows bare limbs. But the same scene photographed May 30, 2005, by Boston University biology professor Richard Primack shows them in full spring greenery.

    ————-

    Who wrote this? Every year is different. The plants are just responding to the conditions. For instance, where the heck has Spring been this year?

  146. Political_mama
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Hey dude who broke into a house and had sex with the rottweiler, was sentenced today to 6 months jail (the max) and ordered to undergo a psych eval. Gee ya think???
    Why wasnt’ that ordered the FIRST time around.

  147. Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    pmAMA — SOMEBODY must have missed something the first time around ROFL!!

  148. parkay
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Political_mama,
    Your eyeball does not have a heartbeat, a spinal cord, a brainwave, fingerprints, or a soul. But don’t pluck it out, even if it offends your right to control your own body.
    (Psalms 94:8-9; Matthew 5:29)

  149. Political_mama
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Who are you to say the embryo has a soul? Hasn’t the Catholic church changed about a zillion times when that soul enters? At conception, there is no brainwave, no hands yet, no fingerprints, no spinal cord.

    I will pluck out diseased or dangerous bits to my body. If it is dangerous to my mind, to my ability to work and provide a living for myself, I will do what I need to.

    So let me get this straight, you won’t remove your appendix if it bursts? Ok then. I’ll hold you to it Gertzen.

  150. Ken
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    “The only politician not getting laid in New York is Hillary Clinton”

    Jay Leno

  151. J R
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    HISTORY is made!

    “Parkay” actually addresses a poster!

    WOW.

    Maybe next he will encounter sunlight!

  152. Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    One never knows around here… might be an imposter!! LOL

  153. cosmos
    Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    outlander posted March 19, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Every year is different. The plants are just responding to the conditions. For instance, where the heck has Spring been this year?

    Every year is different, because of ENSO, and other factors. That’s why you should look at the multi-year global trend to see AGW.

    Plants do just respond to climate changes, and that is causing problems for animals, etc.

    You want Spring on March 19? Then move to south TX or Florida.

  154. Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Well ……..

    Good night; Good luck; and
    God bless, whatever you conceive
    God to be!!

    Blessings All!!

    Blessed Holy Week!!

  155. Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Mercy — With the exception of Death threats, Bin Ladin’s warnings about Danish Cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, sound eerily like the sounds of complaints that come from radical Christian groups, who warn against certain movies, and books!!

    Anybody think we should do some serious thinking about those Radical groups here at home, the next time they threaten books and movies??

  156. Nathan
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    Chas,

    Please show me these radical Christians who even come close to making death threats and that you compare to Bin Laden. Stop speaking in generalities and give me a real example of what Christian group you are talking about.

    Making such a comparison is absurd.

    Further proof that you are no Christian.

    Take your blasphemy elsewhere.

  157. Posted March 20, 2008 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    Stuff it Nathan!! You know darned well what kinds of people I am talking about… And if you are so blind you cant see it, then maybe it’s YOU who are a poor excuse for a Christian!! All those groups that want to ban the Harry Potter books… And Fallwell, and a few others who insist that Teletubbies are GAY cartoons… All kinds of individuals and/or groups like that!! And YOU know who they are Nathan!! So, just stop your bloody Flaming!!

  158. Posted March 20, 2008 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    And then there is James Dobson, and his attempts to stop Passion of the Christ 4 years ago… And back before that, when groups wanted to BAN Last Temptation of Christ… And more recently, Dobson and others, trying to ban showings of Golden Compass…. What more do you want, man??? And you call ME nuts??? And you claim to know nothing of these kinds of people???

  159. Posted March 20, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    BTW, Blockhead… I said WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DEATH THREATS!!! IDIOT!!

  160. Posted March 20, 2008 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    “Chas.” –

    Don’t get that upset with “Nathan’s” postings.

    As soon as he gets his come-uppance, he claims ignorance.

    Given his usual postings, it’s a valid defense.

  161. Posted March 20, 2008 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    Well, that’s true, Monkey!! LOL

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