No it was on Countdown last night with Olberman. McCain has been accepting endorsements from diverse fundamentalists that include calling Catholics whores and that the mission of America is to destroy the Muslim religion once and for all time.
McCain never met an endorsement he didn’t like apparently.
The WE has something on the editorial page today about Hillary playing the “race card”. Seems like the Wall Street Journal agrees with me though that it is obama dealing out the race card.
“But for all of Mr. Obama’s soaring rhetoric about the nation’s need for a post-racial politics that “brings the American people together,” his campaign at times has seemed overly sensitive about race. It also seems to want it both ways. Mr. Obama claims that his brand of politics transcends race, but at the same time he’’s using race as a shield to shut down important and legitimate arguments.
Already, prominent Obama sympathizers, such as Harvard’s Orlando Patterson, are detecting racial overtones where none exist. In a New York Times op-ed this week, Mr. Patterson said a Clinton political ad designed to question Mr. Obama’s readiness as Commander in Chief contained a “racist sub-message” because none of the people depicted in the TV spot are black. Counting people of color in an ad about national security is hardly consistent with the Obama theme that “race doesn’t matter.”
House Republicans succeeded Thursday in delaying the vote by one day by requesting a rare, late-night closed session of Congress to discuss the bill. It was the first secret session of the House in a quarter century.
Seriously, did I wake up in Russia this morning. This secretive $hit is getting really old!
the first secret session of the House in a quarter century.
Don’t you love the transparency of our government?
I tell you what, the US really missed out when they ignored Dr. Paul. End to the wars, our troops home, none of this illegal wire tapping, reduced gov’t size.
Damn shame that.
Look what we are left with. Farmie, I’d be interested to know how Hillary voted on this originally. I’d be interested to know how she would move forward with it as Preznit.
And for that matter Obama. Sounds to me like he isn’t experienced enough to know what to do. If elected, I hope he selects a damn fine cabinet to help him with these types of decisions.
With McCain, at least you know what you will get. More wars, less freedom and liberty, and more government. Yipee yahoo mother fkers.
Sol - I think it’s “yippee kiyay m.f.s”. As for Dr. Paul, he had some good ideas that I could have gotten behind, but he had not support. It just wasn’t meant to be.
He had the financial support out raising most of the competition. He got more money from the active military than any other candidate. That has to tell you something.
What he stood for was shattering the status quo and bringing us back to the constitution. That much of a shake up scared and enraged the powers that be. So the media blacked him out.
His message is still getting out. Writer Dog posted several examples already. As long as his message lives and people are bright enough to actually listen and ignore party lines, there is hope for America.
Political_mama Posted March 14, 2008 at 7:06 am |
“I have written Nancy Pelosi and told her that if Obama does NOT choose Hillary as his running mate, I’ll stay home on election day.”
I’ll bet that strikes terror into Pelosi, no flaming intended.
If that were to happen it would be a sure case of the ‘tail-wagging-the-dog’. Obama may lack lack experence, and he maybe a complete socialist like Shillary but he’s not that stupid, well…I don’t think.
I know it seems like a waste of time and money this late in the game, but damn. We cant have this lawless administration setting any kind of standard for future presidencies. We need a standard of “if you break the law, you will be impeached AND removed from office”.
A huge mistake was made not going after the Iran-Contra folks. It set the stage for this administration and its lawless foreign policy and secrecy. And secrecy is the key, starting with cheney’s energy task force meetings.
I think Americans have no stomach for this, and the BFEE knows it. We dont WANT to know how bad it is. We’d rather believe goodness will prevail and all we have to do is watch Idol, have a few more sodas and/or beers, and stay out of the way.
I think if we really know the machinations and illegal activities that have gone on, we’d be horrified. And scared for real, not pretend scared like we are of terrorists, gays, and upity women. Oh yeah, and socialists.
I know some will respond to this with Bill Clinton! Bill Clinton! and some will use this to Hillary bash. Whatever.
I just think the ox is in the ditch. And WE need to pull it out.
The United States has the capacity to force a peace settlement to the Israeli/ Palestinian problem, thus removing the risk factor from all out war in the Middle East Oil fields.
The problem with forcing a peace settlement on the Israelis, though dropping the price of crude and gasoline, will also curtail their planned expansion, which includes a take-over of those oil fields.
All-out war in the Middle East will destroy those oil fields and bring in the Russians, who are currently supplying Israel with crude oil.
The takeover plan, devised by PNAC is ludicrous, failing to factor in the resistance and costs of such a grandiose plan or the devastation to the American economy in the process. The costs of the Iraq part of the plan are already projected to be in the trillions, with no end in sight.
Peace solves the problem with our economy, not the war against it. By infusing a lower price for gasoline alone, the economy will rebound and job creation along with it.
Some also say we should now just wait until bushco leaves office and THEN go after them. I think if we dont have the belly for it now, we sure wont then.
And the lesson to be learned will be “lie often and boldly. Repeat often, and soon it will regarded as truth”.
And yeah, the balance of power could shift. And your enemies would be allowed to lie, cheat and steal with impunity.
This isnt a problem that is going to improve with age.
You’re spot on Farmie. Impeach Bush and Cheney. Wouldn’t that leave Pelosi in the driver’s seat?
Fire up the legal machine and let it start chewing. We need to start with Homeland Security [sic] and this bogus ‘intelligence gathering’. Turn on the spot light. Let the nation see.
BTW, gays and upity women scare the pee outta me. But the worst is upity gay women. Makes me shiver just seeing the words…
You know it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference which party is running the country. We need folks that are willing to be transparent, uphold the constitution, and be responsible. What we got right now fails every one of the listed.
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was on the same album
No kidding? I just had the 45 of Snoopy. That line from the liberty Valence movie just stuck with me because I’d watched the movie once about the time that I learned most of our American Myths were really written by one of those Adams boys, and Columbus thinking the earth was flat got started from Washington Irving (legend of sleepy hollow guy)
Yeah really. I owned the whole album. I gave it to my cousin eventually because he just LOVED it.
Wish I still had it :)
And on a different note…
I’m posting this because this “racial thing” is really bothering me. I cant figure it out. It pops up in unexpected ways, and at unexpected times. It pops up in me. And others. WTF?
This is NOT to favor obama or Hillary. I think it has some meaning for Kansas, and something we should think about.
Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to address the House tonight about the budget because there has been a lot of concern expressed here today on both sides of the aisle about the kind of financial trouble we’re in. And there’s no doubt about that. But sometimes I think we go back and forth spending more time blaming each other rather than dealing with the real problem.
One of the contentions I’ve had about the budget is that we look at it as an accounting problem rather than a philosophy problem because the spending occurs because of what we accept as the proper role of government. And right now, it’s assumed by the country as well as the Congress that the proper role of government is to run our lives, run the economy, run the welfare state, and police the world. And all of a sudden, it puts a lot of pressure on the budget.
Today, the national debt is going up almost $600 billion. And the economy is getting weaker, there’s no doubt about it. We’re in a recession, it’s going to get much worse, which means that the deficit is going to get a lot worse. And I’m predicting within a couple of years, it will not surprise me one bit to see the national debt, the national obligation for future generations to rise in 1 year three-quarters of $1 trillion. And that is a very possible number.
The way I see it is there’s only one way that we’re going to attack this, and that is, decide what our government ought to be doing. And the Constitution is very clear, the government ought to preserve our liberties and give us a strong national defense. It shouldn’t run our lives, it shouldn’t run the economy, it shouldn’t police the world. We’re not supposed to be the policemen of the world. But everybody talks about it.
And both sides of the aisle have no hesitation to spend every cent the executive branch asked for to run a war that was never declared. We now spend $1 trillion a year going up, this year it’s going to go over $1 trillion to run the operations overseas. That means all the foreign aid and all the military, $1 trillion to do things we shouldn’t be doing.
They interviewed 3,400 military personnel just recently, military leaders, and 82 percent of them said our military is weaker today than it was 5 years ago. So, all of this money spent and all this policing in the world, and all this deficit
In his piece, an opinion piece lest anyone think otherwise, Mr. Krugman advances the thought that the Fed has done about all it can, has now assumed the biggest chunk of market risk that any Central Bank has taken on, and notes that his opinion on the biggest problem to be faced by a new administration, regardless of the outcome of the election, has shifted from dealing with Iraq to decisions over the economy, in particular, who to bail out, who not to bail out, and other questions of like import.
Wright has retired as leader of Trinity United Church in Chicago; he delivered his last sermon there in February. Obama has attended the church for 20 years and calls Wright his spiritual adviser.
“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye,” Wright said.
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”
“This is not just someone that Barack Obama has a casual relationship with,” said Tom Bevan, executive editor of RealClearPolitics.com. He noted that Wright married Barack and Michelle Obama, and Wright’s words were the inspiration for the title of Obama’s book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
shifted from dealing with Iraq to decisions over the economy
IMHO they are helplessly entwined.
We get out of Iraq, we save a trillion or so per year.
who to bail out, who not to bail out,
IMHO again; It is not the job of the government to bail anyone out. While we’re looking at this, let’s take a long hard look at why we still have the Federal Reserve. Greenspan himself questioned its validity.
The only thing that is going to help this economy is for the government to cut back on spending DRASTICALLY. If money HAS to be paid out, pay down the deficit. Balance trade with China. Encourage industry to produce in America, by Americans, by companies OWNED by Americans.
“The Fed’s economic power rests on the fact that it’s the only institution with the right to add to the “monetary base”: pieces of green paper bearing portraits of dead presidents, plus deposits that private banks hold at the Fed and can convert into green paper at will. ”
Can’t they freakin see that this is part of the damn problem. You can’t just go printing money at will. It devalues what is already out there. DAMN !!!
Last Friday Ferraro said this is the last time Obama is going to play the race card. Did the Clinton camp feed the Rev Wright video to the main stream press?
Ferraro has been on a multi-interview tear the past several days, blaming the Obama campaign for spreading the controversy and causing all the trouble. “I personally think that this is the last time that the Obama campaign is going to be able to play this type of race card,” she said on “NBC Nightly News,” “because I think that’s what it is. I really do.”
It is not the job of the government to bail anyone out
Y’know, Sol, I have a really funny way of thinking on this. I don’t have a farm and I don’t begrudge the farmer the $8 dollars he makes on the loaf of bread. Sure it costs us a buck at Dillon’s but you know the $15 dollars we pay to the gov’t dribbles down to only 8 to the farmer. Face it, the peoplegetting the $5/hour would have a hard time getting that bread, so it’s only fair the low-lifes that pay the stinkin’ $5/hour should help them get to work every morning.
Now I get monthly oil royalty checks. I don’t begrudge spending the $20/gallon (3 at the pump) for the poor schlub making the $5/hour to keep him getting to work and buying that $8 loaf of bread. I do begrudge spending the $20/gallon for Joe Elitist to drive his Winnebago the 2 miles down his driveway every morning for the Eagle.
(All numbers are hypothetical to make a point–you won’t find actual figures, or I never have)
Your constant sniping at Obama and/or the people who snipe at Obama is nowhere.
Obama has an unstoppable lead going into the convention. The only way Hillary can win is if the Democratic Party decides to self-immolate by giving to the candidacy to the person who won fewer votes, fewer delegates, and fewer states.
Not going to happen . . . so please deal with the way things are instead of nit-picking hypotheticals.
You guys make me happy, thanks. With all that’s happening around us, it’s good to know that there are a few of us out here that see it and would like to see it stop.
“IPCC reports have predicted average world temperatures will increase dramatically, leading to the spread of tropical diseases, severe drought, the rapid melting of the world’s glaciers and ice caps, and rising sea levels. However, several assessments of the IPCC’s work have shown the techniques and methods used to derive its climate predictions are fundamentally flawed.
In a 2001 report, the IPCC published an image commonly referred to as the “hockey stick.” This graph showed relatively stable temperatures from A.D. 1000 to 1900, with temperatures rising steeply from 1900 to 2000. The IPCC and public figures, such as former Vice President Al Gore, have used the hockey stick to support the conclusion that human energy use over the last 100 years has caused unprecedented rise global warming.
However, several studies cast doubt on the accuracy of the hockey stick, and in 2006 Congress requested an independent analysis of it. A panel of statisticians chaired by Edward J. Wegman, of George Mason University, found significant problems with the methods of statistical analysis used by the researchers and with the IPCC’s peer review process. For example, the researchers who created the hockey stick used the wrong time scale to establish the mean temperature to compare with recorded temperatures of the last century. Because the mean temperature was low, the recent temperature rise seemed unusual and dramatic. This error was not discovered in part because statisticians were never consulted.
Furthermore, the community of specialists in ancient climates from which the peer reviewers were drawn was small and many of them had ties to the original authors — 43 paleoclimatologists had previously coauthored papers with the lead researcher who constructed the hockey stick.
These problems led Mr. Wegman’s team to conclude that the idea that the planet is experiencing unprecedented global warming “cannot be supported.”
Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”
Is Obama’s Pastor a Liability?The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s south side, has a long history of what even Obama’s campaign aides concede is “inflammatory rhetoric,” including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own “terrorism.”
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” He said Rev. Wright “is like an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
Obama has an unstoppable lead going into the convention.
I don’t back who I think will win, I back who I think will do the best job. You may get to pat yourself on the back if he wins, but then you are stuck with him.
For a time, it looked like the controversy surrounding the Reverend Wright would be confined to his connection to Louis Farrakhan and his Afrocentric gloss on Christianity. But the new video footage takes things a step further: The problem is less that Wright sounds Malcolm X than that he sounds like Jerry Falwell crossed with Ward Churchill, calling down God’s vengeance on a corrupt U.S.A., but for leftist instead of right-wing reasons.
So far, Obama has attempted to laugh off Wright’s penchant for inflammatory rhetoric, comparing him to “an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” and suggesting that this is “what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor.” But as Wright’s America-bashing gets more airtime — and as his Obama-boosting sermons put his church’s tax exemption at risk — Obama may have to go further down the road to explicitly disavowing his pastor. His connection to Wright isn’t the equivalent of John McCain’s going to Liberty University to make nice with Jerry Falwell. It’s the equivalent of John McCain taking his wife and children, most Sundays, to Jerry Falwell’s church. And the disconnect between Obama’s studied moderation and his congregation’s radicalism requires more of an explanation than he’s offered so far.
Pretty damn good capn. He kicked ass in his congressional bid. You hear his message through and through in the congress, the senate, and from the candidates.
Barak? Not so much. Hear the race card and his *inspirational leader* spewing hatred for white people. How’s that workin out for you capn? Getting behind that race card hate train?
Nope. He is still in the race. Polling at 5% with absolutely no media coverage? Well, that is impressive.
Maybe he should get himself a hate monger. Seems to work for Obama.
Got nothing??? Holly $hit are you blind or what? Barak still stands by the hate monger. This is the kind of person Obama looks to for inspiration? And this is the person you support capn?
Obama can’t be responsible for everything that everyone he interacts with has ever said.
You simply can’t be this naive. This isn’t new, the a$$hole has been spreading hate for what? 20 years?
Just seems, “Max,” that you’re trying too hard to divert attention from McCain’s fundamentalist endorsers. Like Hagee who calls the Catholic Church “the great whore,” and the loon who says, “The United States was established to eliminate Islam,” or somesuch.
I’ve probably heard a dozen or more Christian sermons in my life where the preacher juxtaposed “God bless America” with “God damn America.” Mostly for emphasis; mostly to illustrate how America as a nation (and people as individuals) tend to fall short of our ideals.
“…all men are created equal…” sounded good in the revolutionary Declaration of Independence, but the Constitution could only pass with some men being counted as 3/5ths of a man.
And women? That took a while to get into law and still hasn’t trickled down to all aspects of everyday life.
Murder, rape, racial bias, political back-stabbing and palm-greasing… there’s an awful lot of America that God certainly has no business blessing. And, if your job description is “god,” a certain amount of damning is standard operating procedure.
See, “Max?” It’s like the Republic Party slime machine finally decided the “Obama is a Muslim” lie wasn’t working so they’re trotting out the words of a Christian preacher, taking it out of context, and twisting theology for some hoped-for political gain.
MonkeyHawk
Posted March 14, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink
I’ve probably heard a dozen or more Christian sermons in my life where the preacher juxtaposed “God bless America” with “God damn America.”
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That is all anyone needs to know about MonkeyHawk.
“Obama’s wife once had roommate whose cousin was married to a guy whose son burned the American flag in protest.”
Give me a break. The pastor that married me was a friend of our family for decades and right-wing ideologue (Presbyterian “God wants you to be rich” type). I consider him to be my spiritual advisor too, despite our disagreements politically.
I know this is changin’ the subject - but let me remind everyone that this coming Monday is the premiere of the new “Dancing With The Stars” season.
And there’s gonna be a very, very, VERY special participant……………….Adam Carolla! My mayun!
Well, he isn’t really my man - I mean, he’s married to the lovely Lynette and he’s got twins to boot (born in August 2006). And when you adore someone, you want them to be happy, so I’m very happy for the fantastic funnyman.
Now I’m just waitin’ to see if The Very First Man can dance with the best of ‘em! ‘Cause I’m gonna vote for him - the very first time I’ve voted on this program. Unless he just falls flat on his hilarious heiny (which I doubt he will), I’m a-gonna vote for the man who’s made me laugh more times than Ann Coulter’s groinocologist has upchucked on the examining table.
And I am hereby beseeching y’all to vote for him, too. Here’s your chance to escort an aging amazon across Kellogg Boulevard without risking your life. He’s your chance to be good citizens without actually being conjoined to one of its most precious antiques.
‘Cause gawd knows, I can barely frigging walk unassisted at this stage of my life. But I can still laugh, by golly. That won’t ever change!
I do think Obama needs to make a statment of some kind. . The
“Obama’s wife once had roommate whose cousin was married to a guy whose son burned the American flag in protest.”
example is far from the reality of setting under this guy’s teachings for 20 or so years. The “he performed the marriage ceremony” is no big deal. Who cares? the one chosen to perform a marriage ceremony is chosen for lots of reasons, including being a close personal friend. ANd yeah, you can have friends you policially, and theologically, disagree with. I don;t believe the Obama has the same leanings, but I do think the question is appropriate.
So Obama supports, or refuses to denounce those that, preach hate against white people. Nice. Great candidate capn.
So about that budget capn. Haven’t googled enough to come up with an answer? Guess it was just my Audacity of Hope that you had a clue how Obama might run things.
We understand that there are a lot of folks who are just too dense to fathom that what’s good about America that you enjoy was brought to you by liberals–the forty hour work week, time and a half for overtime, what health care we’ve got (such as it is), parks and recreation, protecting the environment, safe food and water, consumer protection from fraud and unsafe products, and the vote for every adult.
We’ll continue to work for the good of all Americans . . . even the stupid and the greedy like you who stab us in the back.
On Ca[nAmericas the right wing practicing politics of hate and division and disavowing supporters”
Kansas
“No it was on Countdown last night with Olberman. McCain has been accepting endorsements from diverse fundamentalists that include calling Catholics whores and that the mission of America is to destroy the Muslim religion once and for all time.”
Sol
“So those aren’t McCain’s words, but people endorsing him?”
Kansas
“Same thing.”
And one from MonkeyHawk
Just seems, “Max,” that you’re trying too hard to divert attention from McCain’s fundamentalist endorsers. Like Hagee who calls the Catholic Church “the great whore,” and the loon who says, “The United States was established to eliminate Islam,” or somesuch.
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I think the point is, not that this pastor supports Obama, but that Obama supports the pastor. I think it is a good question as to his support of some of his ideas. If you enjoin into politics, lifeis a fishbowl. The way it is.
By the way, I am supporting OBAMA for the general election
Pretty pathetic standards you set capn. He has no track record, yet he wants to increase spending by $200 billion. Haven’t seen where he hopes to get the extra money.
But you blindly follow him. hoping for change and haven’t a clue what that change is.
He already has a budget in mind. But you don’t know anything about it. Not real sure on his foreign policy. Clueless as to his monetary policy. He stands on opaque platforms.
You sound just like every other Obama supporter capn. You support him and have no clue why. Outstanding.
Thanks. We don;t have to agree. The world would probably pretty much suck if eveyone agreed with me. or with some of my leberal friends. The world would be much bette off if we could just have a free exchange of ideas, without pigeonholing people, and dismissing them or their ideas, because of the pigeonhole we have placed them in. I think the puppetmasters of both sides, are often in cahoots, and hope that by rousing the rabble against each other, they hope to slip through the cracks unnoticed, and do whatever they damn well please.
Reading all of this shit, I’ve come to the conclusion that we, at one time, had a glimmer of “hope”, but that’s all by the way side. What we have now is truly a “house divided” and not just between the bullshit (non-existent) aisle. You think you’ve had pain? Folks, it’s only the beginning. And it’s all our own faults for giving these “elected” pieces of shit too much rope.
You all, still continue to fight over the same bullshit while the real issues are buried behind your precious “reality” television shows and…
Ahhhh, forget it, I’m off to buy another roll of junk silver and till my garden.
And speaking of judging candidates by what they DO, let’s revisit the former first lady shall we (from a post on DemUnderground):
Clinton, this morning on NPR–
“… we all had a choice as to whether or not to participate in what was going to be a primary. And most people took their names off the ballot, but I didn’t. And I think that was a wise decision because Michigan is key to our electoral victory in the fall.
This is a direct and unequivocable violation of her pledge to the DNC and Democratic voters. She signed a pledge not to campaign OR PARTICIPATE. Here’s the relevant section of the pledge (pdf):
THEREFORE, I (Hillary Clinton), Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008).
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But keep hammering away on Obama’s pastor. That’s where the real story is . . .
You judge by policy promises, most of which cannot come to pass even if the candidate is sincere because of grid-lock and power-sharing, some of which is designed into the gov’t by the founders.
I judge on who I think can make the best decisions.
Date Bill Title Vote
03/06/2008 Consumer Product Safety Commission Bill NV
02/26/2008 Health Care for Indigenous Peoples NV
02/26/2008 Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 from Being Used for Abortions NV
02/13/2008 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
02/07/2008 Economic Stimulus Plan NV
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Consolidated Appropriations NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations NV
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) NV
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007 NV
12/13/2007 Income Limit for Subsidies to Farmers NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies NV
12/06/2007 Temporary Tax Adjustments Act of 2007 NV
12/06/2007 Temporary Alternative Minimum Tax Adjustment Act of 2007 NV
11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 NV
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/01/2007 Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
10/30/2007 Amtrak Reauthorization NV
10/25/2007 Amtrak Federal Subsidy Limits NV
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions NV
10/16/2007 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008 NV
10/03/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
09/27/2007 State Children?s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization NV
09/10/2007 Bridge Repair Funding NV
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act NV
07/26/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding NV
07/20/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
In order for ron Paul to do all that he has proposed doing, how much would it COST?? And how much LAW would have to be re-written in order for him to DO it?? Those are the important questions…
Start with the CHANGE in the tax structure… And take it from there…
Oh yes, and Capn above would have you Liberals believe you can’t do anything for yourselves. Without big government liberals, you wouldn’t have 40 hour weeks, health care, over time, etc….
Tell us oh Capn, just exactly did the Liberals grant us all of this?
News flash: the House just passed an amended version of the Senate’s FISA bill. Reaffirming that it is the court and not the Administration who has the power to approve spying on U.S. Citizens. Excluding communication tracking from a foreign country to another foreign country that happens to pass through the U.S. from needing a warrant. Rather then allowing unrestricted spying on all communication within the U.S. and having no stipulation that the spying be limited to only terrorism as the Senate bill allowed.
It is just a hunch, but as to the immunity for telecomm, they stipulated that the telecom already had immunity through the existing laws. But the Democrats kept hitting on one key phrase “As long as they have the written request from the Government”. The hunch? That perhaps the Administration did not in fact follow the procedure proscribed. Otherwise saying that as would be normal they did not submit the request in writing rather simply walked in and said we need access. But they did not address the statement from both Quest and AT&T that they were approached as early as February of 2001 to set up the spying?
In a rare Senate appearance yesterday, McCain failed to attract support for a halt to pork-barrel spending, losing on a 71-29 vote. An angry McCain told voters today that he was only “doing the Lord’s work” but unfortunately was doing it “in the city of Satan”:
Later in Springfield, Penn., McCain told voters: “We were voting on major issues of profound consequences with no discussion, no debate and 10 minutes to vote.
“Anyone who had the misfortune of watching it will know how hard it is to do the Lord’s work in the city of Satan,” said McCain, who has served four-terms in the Senate. McCain has been part of the “city of Satan” for over 20 years. <<<<
See the end of the 03/13 Open Thread for parkay’s response on Obamanation’s and Hog Futures Hillary’s support for partial-birth abortion and live-birth abortion.
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Led by votes from pro-abortion Democrats Obamanation and Hog Futures Hillary, the U.S. Senate rejected a measure 49-49 on Thursday night that would have promoted parental involvement in underage girls contracting the killing of their children in out-of-state abortion mills. (This is a huge source of profits for notorious late-term Wichita abortionist quack George Tiller.)
The Senate voted on an amendment from Sen. John Ensign of Nevada authorizing funds for the federal government to enforce the prevention of taking teens to another state for a secret abortion, such as a rapist might do.
Baby-hating RINO Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, and Thad Cochran of Mississippi voted against the pro-life amendment. Senators John McCain and Robert Byrd, who might have acted to pass the amendment, were not present and did not vote.
Some one should wake up Mr. McCain and tell him he still has a job he was elected to do in the Senate.
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The trial of notorious Wichita late-term abortionist quack George Tiller for 19 misdemeanor charges of slipping illegal fees to the second quack in post-viable abortions has again been delayed to June 16, raising suspicions that Judge Clark Owens is pandering to abortionist quacks. Trial had previously been scheduled for May 10.
Justice delayed ain’t justice.
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South Dakota Gov. Mike Rounds has signed a pro-life bill into law that requires abortionist quacks there to allow women considering an abortion a chance to seen an ultrasound of the baby beforehand. Mothers who view a good ultrasound of their baby rarely continue contracting the mangling, dismemberment, poisoning, or beheading of their child.
Kate Looby, director of Planned Parenthood in South Dakota, which runs the only abortion mill in South Dakota, denounced such enforcement of informed consent, since it will interfere with abortion mill profits. (Planned Parenthood also operates another abortion mill just across the state line in Sioux City, IA, about a 3-hour drive from the Sioux Falls, SD abortion mill.)
Like I was telling Paul the other day, how do you mark to Market, when there is no Market? From the article linked by VT “The crisis, however, is not isolated to Bear Stearns, said Christopher Whalen, managing director of Institutional Risk Analytics, who predicts that the liquidity crunch will only get worse. The heart of the problem is that no one knows how to value the assets these Wall Street firms are carrying so noone wants them. “
Phantom, knew you’d find that gem. That’s why I was amazed at the S&P statement that, IIRC, the losses had all, or almost all, been quantified. I’m an outsider, and I know that they’re still trying to get a handle on the totality of the problem. Where there’s no market, or no market at the present, then no one can know what the total effects are. To say otherwise is, at best, naive.
If Bear Stearns collapsed, would the victims only be the shareholders of Bear Stearns stock? Sounds like there was a ‘run on the bank’ started by rumors. The short investors will be starting these rumors every day and make a killing!
While the stockholders would, indeed, take quite a hit, there are other considerations. IIRC, Bear, Sterns is a major player in municipal bonds, and any collapse of B,S would have a most negative effect on issuers of such securities.
Your comment on the “short sellers” is spot on, IMO, Phantom.
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Blah blah blah
Let the Tower of Babel commence!!!
A towers is only as tall as its tip, Kansas
I have written Nancy Pelosi and told her that if Obama does NOT choose Hillary as his running mate, I’ll stay home on election day.
I’m not concerned. There have always have been plenty of Christians willing to build the tower.
Look at McCain…calling Catholics whores. Not concerned in the least that his intolerance for Catholics will cost him any votes.
Kansas,
Got a link? I’d love to read that.
No it was on Countdown last night with Olberman. McCain has been accepting endorsements from diverse fundamentalists that include calling Catholics whores and that the mission of America is to destroy the Muslim religion once and for all time.
McCain never met an endorsement he didn’t like apparently.
So those aren’t McCain’s words, but people endorsing him?
You won’t get a link Sol. With some folks, it’s never too early to commence lying.
Same thing.
Ohhh…did panty poop Regular start posting?
John Hagee is quite anti-Catholic. Dunno why McCain would stand beside him.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23620951#23620951
Outlander must be sniffing Regular’s panties again…here’s the link.
You provide a link to Olbermann? As proof of what you lied about? Just admit you lied, you were called on it, and move on.
Pathetic.
Crowson, you outdid yourself again today. So true. So terribly, awfully true.
And… the dog raper and the toilet sitter and boyfriend are all over the national news. Again.
Just another day in Kansas… as nutty as you think.
Dog raper? Ya gott be $hittin me. Fleetwood?
Don’t pick on Fleetwood, he’s gettin’ older and can’t keep up with the sheep!
Kansas… as nutty as you think.
Beautiful…right after Wichita made national news as being the 2nd best city to move to with a booming economy and great jobs! (Salt Lake City was # 1)
The WE has something on the editorial page today about Hillary playing the “race card”. Seems like the Wall Street Journal agrees with me though that it is obama dealing out the race card.
“But for all of Mr. Obama’s soaring rhetoric about the nation’s need for a post-racial politics that “brings the American people together,” his campaign at times has seemed overly sensitive about race. It also seems to want it both ways. Mr. Obama claims that his brand of politics transcends race, but at the same time he’’s using race as a shield to shut down important and legitimate arguments.
Already, prominent Obama sympathizers, such as Harvard’s Orlando Patterson, are detecting racial overtones where none exist. In a New York Times op-ed this week, Mr. Patterson said a Clinton political ad designed to question Mr. Obama’s readiness as Commander in Chief contained a “racist sub-message” because none of the people depicted in the TV spot are black. Counting people of color in an ad about national security is hardly consistent with the Obama theme that “race doesn’t matter.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120536677319031953.html...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080314/ap_on_go_co/terrorist_surveillance
House closes its doors for spying bill
House Republicans succeeded Thursday in delaying the vote by one day by requesting a rare, late-night closed session of Congress to discuss the bill. It was the first secret session of the House in a quarter century.
Seriously, did I wake up in Russia this morning. This secretive $hit is getting really old!
Yeah, and EVERY day we go without illegal spying, the “terrorists” are gaining on us.
But bush has a “leave no corporate partner behind” program, dontchya know?
He wont let the dirty deeds get a hearing in litigation. Too much risk. So just give blanket immunity backward and forward.
Would somebody PLEASE put impeachment back on the table?
late-night closed session of Congress
the first secret session of the House in a quarter century.
Don’t you love the transparency of our government?
I tell you what, the US really missed out when they ignored Dr. Paul. End to the wars, our troops home, none of this illegal wire tapping, reduced gov’t size.
Damn shame that.
Look what we are left with. Farmie, I’d be interested to know how Hillary voted on this originally. I’d be interested to know how she would move forward with it as Preznit.
And for that matter Obama. Sounds to me like he isn’t experienced enough to know what to do. If elected, I hope he selects a damn fine cabinet to help him with these types of decisions.
With McCain, at least you know what you will get. More wars, less freedom and liberty, and more government. Yipee yahoo mother fkers.
Sol - I think it’s “yippee kiyay m.f.s”. As for Dr. Paul, he had some good ideas that I could have gotten behind, but he had not support. It just wasn’t meant to be.
Seriously, did I wake up in Russia this morning.
I wished!!! Russia is becoming much more free.
TDT, like I’ve always maintained, R.Paul has too much honesty and caring to ever be elected prez. People want a prez that can be easily bought.
People want a President that isnt TOO close to the nut fringe, too… Ron Paul is very close to the nut fringe!
Ummmm why would Hillary or Obama be voting on an issue before the HOUSE??
“yippee kiyay”
Is that copy righted? ;-)
He had the financial support out raising most of the competition. He got more money from the active military than any other candidate. That has to tell you something.
What he stood for was shattering the status quo and bringing us back to the constitution. That much of a shake up scared and enraged the powers that be. So the media blacked him out.
His message is still getting out. Writer Dog posted several examples already. As long as his message lives and people are bright enough to actually listen and ignore party lines, there is hope for America.
Ron Paul is very close to the nut fringe!
What makes him “nut fringe’ chas? Let’s get a list from you chas. What is it about Dr. Paul’s message that is ‘nut fringe’?
Seems to me if he was ‘nut fringe’ he would have lost his congressional seat to the GOP opponent. Go figure.
But about that list chas. Let’s see it. You make the claim, back it up.
Is that copy righted?
He changed the ‘i’ to ‘e’ in yipie…he’s safe
It is a law chas, you dipshit, both houses vote on it.
Good call fish. Thanx.
He got more money from the active military than any other candidate.
On a side note (dang my brain), I notice the Iraqis are getting hungry enough to start crawling out from under their beds again. Violence is up.
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What makes him “nut fringe’ chas?
*see previous post about honesty/caring
Fish, noticed this too. Something in my brain seems to tell me that this (increased activity beginning in the Spring) is the “normal” pattern.
Why the spring? It isn’t like they have to snuggle for warmth like Inuits.
I see that Door King is spreading his manure earlier than usual under his 1001 nics.
Something to do with the Islamic religious celebrations in the Winter, IIRC.
KFG,
There is a recently revived move to impeach Bush and Cheney.
http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/88?ad=d8
I linked this a week or so ago, Sol. Ron Paul is real big with the Techie demographic:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/01/ron-paul-apostles-libertarian-theology.html
Thanx for the link SD,
He reaches quite the spectrum in demographics.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-internet-supporters-demographic-data.html
And about Dr. Paul not getting the support needed,
Have y’all forgotten about New Hampshire? They sure want you to.
Political_mama Posted March 14, 2008 at 7:06 am |
“I have written Nancy Pelosi and told her that if Obama does NOT choose Hillary as his running mate, I’ll stay home on election day.”
I’ll bet that strikes terror into Pelosi, no flaming intended.
If that were to happen it would be a sure case of the ‘tail-wagging-the-dog’. Obama may lack lack experence, and he maybe a complete socialist like Shillary but he’s not that stupid, well…I don’t think.
LOL Crowson, great toon today! :) :) :)
I know it seems like a waste of time and money this late in the game, but damn. We cant have this lawless administration setting any kind of standard for future presidencies. We need a standard of “if you break the law, you will be impeached AND removed from office”.
A huge mistake was made not going after the Iran-Contra folks. It set the stage for this administration and its lawless foreign policy and secrecy. And secrecy is the key, starting with cheney’s energy task force meetings.
I think Americans have no stomach for this, and the BFEE knows it. We dont WANT to know how bad it is. We’d rather believe goodness will prevail and all we have to do is watch Idol, have a few more sodas and/or beers, and stay out of the way.
I think if we really know the machinations and illegal activities that have gone on, we’d be horrified. And scared for real, not pretend scared like we are of terrorists, gays, and upity women. Oh yeah, and socialists.
I know some will respond to this with Bill Clinton! Bill Clinton! and some will use this to Hillary bash. Whatever.
I just think the ox is in the ditch. And WE need to pull it out.
chas you usin the google boy? got no thoughts of your own? How bout that list?
The Best-laid plans of mice and men
The United States has the capacity to force a peace settlement to the Israeli/ Palestinian problem, thus removing the risk factor from all out war in the Middle East Oil fields.
The problem with forcing a peace settlement on the Israelis, though dropping the price of crude and gasoline, will also curtail their planned expansion, which includes a take-over of those oil fields.
All-out war in the Middle East will destroy those oil fields and bring in the Russians, who are currently supplying Israel with crude oil.
The takeover plan, devised by PNAC is ludicrous, failing to factor in the resistance and costs of such a grandiose plan or the devastation to the American economy in the process. The costs of the Iraq part of the plan are already projected to be in the trillions, with no end in sight.
Peace solves the problem with our economy, not the war against it. By infusing a lower price for gasoline alone, the economy will rebound and job creation along with it.
Some also say we should now just wait until bushco leaves office and THEN go after them. I think if we dont have the belly for it now, we sure wont then.
And the lesson to be learned will be “lie often and boldly. Repeat often, and soon it will regarded as truth”.
And yeah, the balance of power could shift. And your enemies would be allowed to lie, cheat and steal with impunity.
This isnt a problem that is going to improve with age.
You’re spot on Farmie. Impeach Bush and Cheney. Wouldn’t that leave Pelosi in the driver’s seat?
Fire up the legal machine and let it start chewing. We need to start with Homeland Security [sic] and this bogus ‘intelligence gathering’. Turn on the spot light. Let the nation see.
BTW, gays and upity women scare the pee outta me. But the worst is upity gay women. Makes me shiver just seeing the words…
hee hee hee heeeeeeeeeee!
Hey, I resemble that remark!
And the lesson to be learned will be “lie often and boldly. Repeat often, and soon it will regarded as truth”.
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Boy ain’t that the truth. Especially around here.
Ahhhh KNOW !!!
You know it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference which party is running the country. We need folks that are willing to be transparent, uphold the constitution, and be responsible. What we got right now fails every one of the listed.
Repeat often, and soon it will regarded as truth”.
Like the end of “the Man Who Shot Liberty Valence”, (Jimmy Stewart movie)–when legend becomes fact, print the legend
Yeah Sol, if we had folks like that, it wouldnt matter which party was in charge.
But we dont. And so it does. At least to me. ONE party isnt trying to kill me and mine! Except for mcclurkin, et al….
Fish, were you quoting the snoopy vs red baron song?
Remember, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was on the same album.
Oh, yeah, well, and in addition to mcclurkin, there’s also Jan Pauls.
nevermind…
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was on the same album
No kidding? I just had the 45 of Snoopy. That line from the liberty Valence movie just stuck with me because I’d watched the movie once about the time that I learned most of our American Myths were really written by one of those Adams boys, and Columbus thinking the earth was flat got started from Washington Irving (legend of sleepy hollow guy)
SolDevVB
Posted March 14, 2008 at 9:03 am | Permalink
“yippee kiyay”
Is that copy righted?
Yeah, but I doubt I spelled it right.
Yeah really. I owned the whole album. I gave it to my cousin eventually because he just LOVED it.
Wish I still had it :)
And on a different note…
I’m posting this because this “racial thing” is really bothering me. I cant figure it out. It pops up in unexpected ways, and at unexpected times. It pops up in me. And others. WTF?
This is NOT to favor obama or Hillary. I think it has some meaning for Kansas, and something we should think about.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/magazine/16wwln-lede-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
The man who shot liberty valance, wasn’t that a Jean Pitman song?
Yes
Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to address the House tonight about the budget because there has been a lot of concern expressed here today on both sides of the aisle about the kind of financial trouble we’re in. And there’s no doubt about that. But sometimes I think we go back and forth spending more time blaming each other rather than dealing with the real problem.
One of the contentions I’ve had about the budget is that we look at it as an accounting problem rather than a philosophy problem because the spending occurs because of what we accept as the proper role of government. And right now, it’s assumed by the country as well as the Congress that the proper role of government is to run our lives, run the economy, run the welfare state, and police the world. And all of a sudden, it puts a lot of pressure on the budget.
Today, the national debt is going up almost $600 billion. And the economy is getting weaker, there’s no doubt about it. We’re in a recession, it’s going to get much worse, which means that the deficit is going to get a lot worse. And I’m predicting within a couple of years, it will not surprise me one bit to see the national debt, the national obligation for future generations to rise in 1 year three-quarters of $1 trillion. And that is a very possible number.
more at link
http://rongstad.blogspot.com/2008/03/ron-paul-we-dont-have-budget-problem.html
One more bit on the above…
The way I see it is there’s only one way that we’re going to attack this, and that is, decide what our government ought to be doing. And the Constitution is very clear, the government ought to preserve our liberties and give us a strong national defense. It shouldn’t run our lives, it shouldn’t run the economy, it shouldn’t police the world. We’re not supposed to be the policemen of the world. But everybody talks about it.
And both sides of the aisle have no hesitation to spend every cent the executive branch asked for to run a war that was never declared. We now spend $1 trillion a year going up, this year it’s going to go over $1 trillion to run the operations overseas. That means all the foreign aid and all the military, $1 trillion to do things we shouldn’t be doing.
They interviewed 3,400 military personnel just recently, military leaders, and 82 percent of them said our military is weaker today than it was 5 years ago. So, all of this money spent and all this policing in the world, and all this deficit
Uh, Gene Pitney.
For Phantom and others who have expressed deep concern over the economy, actions taken by the Fed to date, and just to consider:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/opinion/14krugman.html
In his piece, an opinion piece lest anyone think otherwise, Mr. Krugman advances the thought that the Fed has done about all it can, has now assumed the biggest chunk of market risk that any Central Bank has taken on, and notes that his opinion on the biggest problem to be faced by a new administration, regardless of the outcome of the election, has shifted from dealing with Iraq to decisions over the economy, in particular, who to bail out, who not to bail out, and other questions of like import.
oops
and 82 percent of them said our military is weaker today than it was 5 years ago
Yeah, but have you seen Blackwater’s stock?
Time for the spotlight Obama!
Obama’s Spiritual Adviser Questioned U.S. Role in Spread of HIV, Sept. 11 Attacks
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/
Wright has retired as leader of Trinity United Church in Chicago; he delivered his last sermon there in February. Obama has attended the church for 20 years and calls Wright his spiritual adviser.
“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye,” Wright said.
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”
“This is not just someone that Barack Obama has a casual relationship with,” said Tom Bevan, executive editor of RealClearPolitics.com. He noted that Wright married Barack and Michelle Obama, and Wright’s words were the inspiration for the title of Obama’s book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
Here’s a man who wants to be your President!!! Don’t forget to VOTE!!!
“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.”
Barack Obama
A absolutely fascinating article about Barack Obama’s mother and her influence upon her son:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
shifted from dealing with Iraq to decisions over the economy
IMHO they are helplessly entwined.
We get out of Iraq, we save a trillion or so per year.
who to bail out, who not to bail out,
IMHO again; It is not the job of the government to bail anyone out. While we’re looking at this, let’s take a long hard look at why we still have the Federal Reserve. Greenspan himself questioned its validity.
The only thing that is going to help this economy is for the government to cut back on spending DRASTICALLY. If money HAS to be paid out, pay down the deficit. Balance trade with China. Encourage industry to produce in America, by Americans, by companies OWNED by Americans.
From VT’s link —
“The Fed’s economic power rests on the fact that it’s the only institution with the right to add to the “monetary base”: pieces of green paper bearing portraits of dead presidents, plus deposits that private banks hold at the Fed and can convert into green paper at will. ”
Can’t they freakin see that this is part of the damn problem. You can’t just go printing money at will. It devalues what is already out there. DAMN !!!
Last Friday Ferraro said this is the last time Obama is going to play the race card. Did the Clinton camp feed the Rev Wright video to the main stream press?
Nasty, nasty, nasty!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/13/ST2008031300002.html
Ferraro has been on a multi-interview tear the past several days, blaming the Obama campaign for spreading the controversy and causing all the trouble. “I personally think that this is the last time that the Obama campaign is going to be able to play this type of race card,” she said on “NBC Nightly News,” “because I think that’s what it is. I really do.”
Seems like the Wall Street Journal agrees with me though that it is obama dealing out the race card.
KFrmGrrl? Ya knows I’s likes ya, but the Wall Street Journal editorial page?!
These people are a bigger threat to America than Al Qaeda, for they use governmnet to steal from the poor to give to the rich.
It is not the job of the government to bail anyone out
Y’know, Sol, I have a really funny way of thinking on this. I don’t have a farm and I don’t begrudge the farmer the $8 dollars he makes on the loaf of bread. Sure it costs us a buck at Dillon’s but you know the $15 dollars we pay to the gov’t dribbles down to only 8 to the farmer. Face it, the peoplegetting the $5/hour would have a hard time getting that bread, so it’s only fair the low-lifes that pay the stinkin’ $5/hour should help them get to work every morning.
Now I get monthly oil royalty checks. I don’t begrudge spending the $20/gallon (3 at the pump) for the poor schlub making the $5/hour to keep him getting to work and buying that $8 loaf of bread. I do begrudge spending the $20/gallon for Joe Elitist to drive his Winnebago the 2 miles down his driveway every morning for the Eagle.
(All numbers are hypothetical to make a point–you won’t find actual figures, or I never have)
These people are a bigger threat to America than Al Qaeda, for they use governmnet to steal from the poor to give to the rich
wall street journal doesn’t–just the subscribers.
Max et al.–
Your constant sniping at Obama and/or the people who snipe at Obama is nowhere.
Obama has an unstoppable lead going into the convention. The only way Hillary can win is if the Democratic Party decides to self-immolate by giving to the candidacy to the person who won fewer votes, fewer delegates, and fewer states.
Not going to happen . . . so please deal with the way things are instead of nit-picking hypotheticals.
Local kook here,
KFG, Sol,
You guys make me happy, thanks. With all that’s happening around us, it’s good to know that there are a few of us out here that see it and would like to see it stop.
Climate panel on the hot seat, The Washington Times
By H. Sterling Burnett
March 14, 2008
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080314/COMMENTARY/702895001/home.html
“IPCC reports have predicted average world temperatures will increase dramatically, leading to the spread of tropical diseases, severe drought, the rapid melting of the world’s glaciers and ice caps, and rising sea levels. However, several assessments of the IPCC’s work have shown the techniques and methods used to derive its climate predictions are fundamentally flawed.
In a 2001 report, the IPCC published an image commonly referred to as the “hockey stick.” This graph showed relatively stable temperatures from A.D. 1000 to 1900, with temperatures rising steeply from 1900 to 2000. The IPCC and public figures, such as former Vice President Al Gore, have used the hockey stick to support the conclusion that human energy use over the last 100 years has caused unprecedented rise global warming.
However, several studies cast doubt on the accuracy of the hockey stick, and in 2006 Congress requested an independent analysis of it. A panel of statisticians chaired by Edward J. Wegman, of George Mason University, found significant problems with the methods of statistical analysis used by the researchers and with the IPCC’s peer review process. For example, the researchers who created the hockey stick used the wrong time scale to establish the mean temperature to compare with recorded temperatures of the last century. Because the mean temperature was low, the recent temperature rise seemed unusual and dramatic. This error was not discovered in part because statisticians were never consulted.
Furthermore, the community of specialists in ancient climates from which the peer reviewers were drawn was small and many of them had ties to the original authors — 43 paleoclimatologists had previously coauthored papers with the lead researcher who constructed the hockey stick.
These problems led Mr. Wegman’s team to conclude that the idea that the planet is experiencing unprecedented global warming “cannot be supported.”
It’s sure been cold this winter…
Rev Wright Video. See Obama’s preacher and spiritual advisor for the last 20 years here!
Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443588&affil=kstp+
News story:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788
Ghotiphaze makes a good point.
Far more government assistance goes to the rich than to the poor in this country.
Farm aid, although a good idea in theory, is a perfect example of that in practice.
Whatever happened to Taz?
Boy, I miss that guy . . .
Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”
Is Obama’s Pastor a Liability?The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s south side, has a long history of what even Obama’s campaign aides concede is “inflammatory rhetoric,” including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own “terrorism.”
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” He said Rev. Wright “is like an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788
Obama has an unstoppable lead going into the convention.
I don’t back who I think will win, I back who I think will do the best job. You may get to pat yourself on the back if he wins, but then you are stuck with him.
nit-picking hypotheticals
Yeah, about that. Those were direct quotes.
Busy day at work, Max?
To some like Capn, Chas the video from Rev Wright is inspirational. JR may even be converted.
To the rest of America, you libs here are but the bottom of the Liberal cesspool as it drains away to the sea.
Oh, no!
We lost Sol’s vote!
How will a democrat ever carry Michigan?
What’s your bosses e-mail, Max?
Follow the herd capn. Thinking for yourself will cause you harm. The herd is waiting.
Yeah, how dare those African-Americans still be angry about slavery.
It’s like the Jews and the Holocaust or 9-11.
Get over it.
The Rev Wright Problem
For a time, it looked like the controversy surrounding the Reverend Wright would be confined to his connection to Louis Farrakhan and his Afrocentric gloss on Christianity. But the new video footage takes things a step further: The problem is less that Wright sounds Malcolm X than that he sounds like Jerry Falwell crossed with Ward Churchill, calling down God’s vengeance on a corrupt U.S.A., but for leftist instead of right-wing reasons.
So far, Obama has attempted to laugh off Wright’s penchant for inflammatory rhetoric, comparing him to “an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” and suggesting that this is “what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor.” But as Wright’s America-bashing gets more airtime — and as his Obama-boosting sermons put his church’s tax exemption at risk — Obama may have to go further down the road to explicitly disavowing his pastor. His connection to Wright isn’t the equivalent of John McCain’s going to Liberty University to make nice with Jerry Falwell. It’s the equivalent of John McCain taking his wife and children, most Sundays, to Jerry Falwell’s church. And the disconnect between Obama’s studied moderation and his congregation’s radicalism requires more of an explanation than he’s offered so far.
http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obamas-minister-problem.php
CapnAmerica
Posted March 14, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink
What’s your bosses e-mail, Max?
Capn can’t handle the truth. Must resort to threats and intimidation.
Par for the course.
When are you radicals going to realize what a minority you are in this country?
For a right-leaner, you’re actually okay IMHO, Sol.
But I gotta needle you on this — how’s the Ron Paul campaign coming along for you?
Capn, you at work blogging again? Or not working again as usual?
Pretty damn good capn. He kicked ass in his congressional bid. You hear his message through and through in the congress, the senate, and from the candidates.
Barak? Not so much. Hear the race card and his *inspirational leader* spewing hatred for white people. How’s that workin out for you capn? Getting behind that race card hate train?
As I’ve pointed out on more than one occasion in the past, I don’t work on Fridays (usually): Flex-time.
Power to the workers!
Has Paul officially dropped out of the Pres. race?
Last time I noticed, he was pulling 5 percent.
Nope. He is still in the race. Polling at 5% with absolutely no media coverage? Well, that is impressive.
Maybe he should get himself a hate monger. Seems to work for Obama.
So about that hate train capn, how’s that workin out for you?
Yes, let’s quit talking about Obama the front-runner.
Let’s talk about Ron Paul.
The news on Obama is TOO NASTY to even think about. I’m going to pretend not to listen to it.
Like I said capn, I back the one I think will do the best job. You back who you think will win.
How is it that Obama is going to pay for the $200 billion increase in spending? Or do you even have a clue about his proposed budget?
Look up “guilt-by-association,” Max.
It’s a logical fallacy.
Obama can’t be responsible for everything that everyone he interacts with has ever said.
You got nuthin’.
LMFAO
Got nothing??? Holly $hit are you blind or what? Barak still stands by the hate monger. This is the kind of person Obama looks to for inspiration? And this is the person you support capn?
Obama can’t be responsible for everything that everyone he interacts with has ever said.
You simply can’t be this naive. This isn’t new, the a$$hole has been spreading hate for what? 20 years?
Here is Obama’s pastor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk
Just seems, “Max,” that you’re trying too hard to divert attention from McCain’s fundamentalist endorsers. Like Hagee who calls the Catholic Church “the great whore,” and the loon who says, “The United States was established to eliminate Islam,” or somesuch.
I’ve probably heard a dozen or more Christian sermons in my life where the preacher juxtaposed “God bless America” with “God damn America.” Mostly for emphasis; mostly to illustrate how America as a nation (and people as individuals) tend to fall short of our ideals.
“…all men are created equal…” sounded good in the revolutionary Declaration of Independence, but the Constitution could only pass with some men being counted as 3/5ths of a man.
And women? That took a while to get into law and still hasn’t trickled down to all aspects of everyday life.
Murder, rape, racial bias, political back-stabbing and palm-greasing… there’s an awful lot of America that God certainly has no business blessing. And, if your job description is “god,” a certain amount of damning is standard operating procedure.
See, “Max?” It’s like the Republic Party slime machine finally decided the “Obama is a Muslim” lie wasn’t working so they’re trotting out the words of a Christian preacher, taking it out of context, and twisting theology for some hoped-for political gain.
Rev Wright is the “preacher” who married the Obama’s and baptized their kids.
A 20-year relationship. That’s a loooooonnnnnnggggg time to stay in a relationship with someone you “Supposedly” disagree with.
MonkeyHawk
Posted March 14, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink
I’ve probably heard a dozen or more Christian sermons in my life where the preacher juxtaposed “God bless America” with “God damn America.”
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That is all anyone needs to know about MonkeyHawk.
Hagee is an a$$hole and so is McCain. Period. Obama seems to like what hi preacher has to say. I think that speaks volumes on its own.
This is how you people sound:
“Obama’s wife once had roommate whose cousin was married to a guy whose son burned the American flag in protest.”
Give me a break. The pastor that married me was a friend of our family for decades and right-wing ideologue (Presbyterian “God wants you to be rich” type). I consider him to be my spiritual advisor too, despite our disagreements politically.
You got nuthin’.
Capn, keepin up with the herd.
So about Obama’s budget capn.
Capn has a spiritual advisor?
It’s about time the same amount of scrutiny is placed on Obama’s religion that was put on Romney’s!
Keep it up! Let’s get to know this car salesman a little better.
I know this is changin’ the subject - but let me remind everyone that this coming Monday is the premiere of the new “Dancing With The Stars” season.
And there’s gonna be a very, very, VERY special participant……………….Adam Carolla! My mayun!
Well, he isn’t really my man - I mean, he’s married to the lovely Lynette and he’s got twins to boot (born in August 2006). And when you adore someone, you want them to be happy, so I’m very happy for the fantastic funnyman.
Now I’m just waitin’ to see if The Very First Man can dance with the best of ‘em! ‘Cause I’m gonna vote for him - the very first time I’ve voted on this program. Unless he just falls flat on his hilarious heiny (which I doubt he will), I’m a-gonna vote for the man who’s made me laugh more times than Ann Coulter’s groinocologist has upchucked on the examining table.
And I am hereby beseeching y’all to vote for him, too. Here’s your chance to escort an aging amazon across Kellogg Boulevard without risking your life. He’s your chance to be good citizens without actually being conjoined to one of its most precious antiques.
‘Cause gawd knows, I can barely frigging walk unassisted at this stage of my life. But I can still laugh, by golly. That won’t ever change!
Yup, Max.
That’s one unfortunate problem we liberals have about our religion, and why we’re forced to find advisors.
We don’t have all the answers spelled out for us by a toothless snake-handler.
Like that guy on “Steps to Life.”
Talk about “the least among ye . . . ”
Woo doggie!
I do think Obama needs to make a statment of some kind. . The
“Obama’s wife once had roommate whose cousin was married to a guy whose son burned the American flag in protest.”
example is far from the reality of setting under this guy’s teachings for 20 or so years. The “he performed the marriage ceremony” is no big deal. Who cares? the one chosen to perform a marriage ceremony is chosen for lots of reasons, including being a close personal friend. ANd yeah, you can have friends you policially, and theologically, disagree with. I don;t believe the Obama has the same leanings, but I do think the question is appropriate.
Tom Paine,
Can’t find a factual link for it. Do you have one?
“To the rest of America, you libs here are but the bottom of the Liberal cesspool as it drains away to the sea.”
That’s pretty good Max. LMAO!
Call Roter-Rooter, that’s the name,
and away goes liberals down the drain.
See, that’s how it works.
The right-wing picks and prods trying to get Obama to “disavow” his supporters.
Ain’t gonna happen.
That’s the politics of fear and division that Obama is giving us an ALTERNATIVE to.
Nice try though . . .
So Obama supports, or refuses to denounce those that, preach hate against white people. Nice. Great candidate capn.
So about that budget capn. Haven’t googled enough to come up with an answer? Guess it was just my Audacity of Hope that you had a clue how Obama might run things.
is the premiere of the new “Dancing With The Stars” season.
Y’know you lose IQ points for every minute watching that. At least with teletubbies you’re just running in place
*ducks*
It’s okay, AmWay.
We understand that there are a lot of folks who are just too dense to fathom that what’s good about America that you enjoy was brought to you by liberals–the forty hour work week, time and a half for overtime, what health care we’ve got (such as it is), parks and recreation, protecting the environment, safe food and water, consumer protection from fraud and unsafe products, and the vote for every adult.
We’ll continue to work for the good of all Americans . . . even the stupid and the greedy like you who stab us in the back.
About that budget capn
On Ca[nAmericas the right wing practicing politics of hate and division and disavowing supporters”
Kansas
“No it was on Countdown last night with Olberman. McCain has been accepting endorsements from diverse fundamentalists that include calling Catholics whores and that the mission of America is to destroy the Muslim religion once and for all time.”
Sol
“So those aren’t McCain’s words, but people endorsing him?”
Kansas
“Same thing.”
And one from MonkeyHawk
Just seems, “Max,” that you’re trying too hard to divert attention from McCain’s fundamentalist endorsers. Like Hagee who calls the Catholic Church “the great whore,” and the loon who says, “The United States was established to eliminate Islam,” or somesuch.
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Sol–
I don’t have the first clue about Obama’s budget.
I believe he has the intelligence and the confidence to hire good advisors that will put the common good first.
That’s all one can ask at this point.
the forty hour work week, time and a half for overtime
Didn’t Bush try his damnest to get rid of that, too, a couple years ago? wage-rate= salary, so 60hr weeks paying 40 hour rate?
LJ–
I don’t speak for other post-ers.
Sorry.
SSDD
haven’t heard that in years, thanx for the nostagia jog. It’s as true today as it used to be.
I think the point is, not that this pastor supports Obama, but that Obama supports the pastor. I think it is a good question as to his support of some of his ideas. If you enjoin into politics, lifeis a fishbowl. The way it is.
By the way, I am supporting OBAMA for the general election
CapnAmerican-
I realize that. I just wanted to point out that it is not a right wing/leftwing thing. It is unfortunately- a political human’s thing
LJ, I don’t agree with you alot, but I agree with you often enough I’d stand with you.
But now that I think more about it, LJ, that doesn’t sound like the kind of thing that would influence voters much one way or the other.
People listen to what the candidate says, not what the candidates’ supporters say.
My vote for Obama is much more influenced by the fact that he refuses to accept lobbyist money (what he does) than what his pastors says.
That’s all one can ask at this point.
Pretty pathetic standards you set capn. He has no track record, yet he wants to increase spending by $200 billion. Haven’t seen where he hopes to get the extra money.
But you blindly follow him. hoping for change and haven’t a clue what that change is.
He already has a budget in mind. But you don’t know anything about it. Not real sure on his foreign policy. Clueless as to his monetary policy. He stands on opaque platforms.
You sound just like every other Obama supporter capn. You support him and have no clue why. Outstanding.
ghotiphaze
Thanks. We don;t have to agree. The world would probably pretty much suck if eveyone agreed with me. or with some of my leberal friends. The world would be much bette off if we could just have a free exchange of ideas, without pigeonholing people, and dismissing them or their ideas, because of the pigeonhole we have placed them in. I think the puppetmasters of both sides, are often in cahoots, and hope that by rousing the rabble against each other, they hope to slip through the cracks unnoticed, and do whatever they damn well please.
CapnAMerica-
You are probably right.
Reading all of this shit, I’ve come to the conclusion that we, at one time, had a glimmer of “hope”, but that’s all by the way side. What we have now is truly a “house divided” and not just between the bullshit (non-existent) aisle. You think you’ve had pain? Folks, it’s only the beginning. And it’s all our own faults for giving these “elected” pieces of shit too much rope.
You all, still continue to fight over the same bullshit while the real issues are buried behind your precious “reality” television shows and…
Ahhhh, forget it, I’m off to buy another roll of junk silver and till my garden.
Later.
And speaking of judging candidates by what they DO, let’s revisit the former first lady shall we (from a post on DemUnderground):
Clinton, this morning on NPR–
“… we all had a choice as to whether or not to participate in what was going to be a primary. And most people took their names off the ballot, but I didn’t. And I think that was a wise decision because Michigan is key to our electoral victory in the fall.
This is a direct and unequivocable violation of her pledge to the DNC and Democratic voters. She signed a pledge not to campaign OR PARTICIPATE. Here’s the relevant section of the pledge (pdf):
THEREFORE, I (Hillary Clinton), Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008).
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But keep hammering away on Obama’s pastor. That’s where the real story is . . .
:roll:
Good post, Pleef.
I’ve got gardening on the list too.
Seizure later . . .
I know exactly why I support Obama, Sol.
My criteria is just different than yours.
You judge by policy promises, most of which cannot come to pass even if the candidate is sincere because of grid-lock and power-sharing, some of which is designed into the gov’t by the founders.
I judge on who I think can make the best decisions.
What an amazing (NON) voting record Obama has…
Date Bill Title Vote
03/06/2008 Consumer Product Safety Commission Bill NV
02/26/2008 Health Care for Indigenous Peoples NV
02/26/2008 Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 from Being Used for Abortions NV
02/13/2008 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
02/07/2008 Economic Stimulus Plan NV
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Consolidated Appropriations NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations NV
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) NV
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007 NV
12/13/2007 Income Limit for Subsidies to Farmers NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies NV
12/06/2007 Temporary Tax Adjustments Act of 2007 NV
12/06/2007 Temporary Alternative Minimum Tax Adjustment Act of 2007 NV
11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 NV
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/01/2007 Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
10/30/2007 Amtrak Reauthorization NV
10/25/2007 Amtrak Federal Subsidy Limits NV
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions NV
10/16/2007 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008 NV
10/03/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
09/27/2007 State Children?s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization NV
09/10/2007 Bridge Repair Funding NV
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act NV
07/26/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding NV
07/20/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
Best decisions? See above.
Barack Obama has missed 196 votes (40.2%) during the current Congress.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/
Great leader there.
Second in missed votes only to McCain.
List of missed votes from 10/07 to 3/08.
Bring your lunch, it’ll take a while.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/missed/
In order for ron Paul to do all that he has proposed doing, how much would it COST?? And how much LAW would have to be re-written in order for him to DO it?? Those are the important questions…
Start with the CHANGE in the tax structure… And take it from there…
Waiting on that list chas.
You dont need no stinkin list, Sol — Use your BRAIN… not a bunch of sound bytes…
Let’s see, how many NON VOTES is that for Obama?
Was he even there? Maybe he was too high to vote.
Oh yes, and Capn above would have you Liberals believe you can’t do anything for yourselves. Without big government liberals, you wouldn’t have 40 hour weeks, health care, over time, etc….
Tell us oh Capn, just exactly did the Liberals grant us all of this?
Sound bytes?
You made the claim that Ron Paul was “nut fringe”
Back it up.
Use your brain.
chas,
Here is a boost. Ron Paul’s budget plan reduced spending by $150 billion.
Here is how he planed to do it.
http://www.ntu.org/pdf/P0801Paul_Analysis.pdf
Obama plans to increase spending by $287 billion, the most of any other candidate.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=141
And here is Obama’s “plan”
http://www.ntu.org/pdf/P0801Obama_Analysis.pdf
Take note of the plethora of “Cost Unknown”s
For a list of all the Lib talking points, go to:
democratunderground.com
All Lib posts on this blog are simply copy/pasted from there.
Clinton plans to increase spending by $218.154 billion
http://www.ntu.org/pdf/P0801Clinton_Analysis.pdf
McCain, $6.935 billion
Bet that doesn’t count the cost of 100 years in Iraq.
But then again, McCain is “Not to good on the economy.” But he did buy Greenspan’s book…
News flash: the House just passed an amended version of the Senate’s FISA bill. Reaffirming that it is the court and not the Administration who has the power to approve spying on U.S. Citizens. Excluding communication tracking from a foreign country to another foreign country that happens to pass through the U.S. from needing a warrant. Rather then allowing unrestricted spying on all communication within the U.S. and having no stipulation that the spying be limited to only terrorism as the Senate bill allowed.
It is just a hunch, but as to the immunity for telecomm, they stipulated that the telecom already had immunity through the existing laws. But the Democrats kept hitting on one key phrase “As long as they have the written request from the Government”. The hunch? That perhaps the Administration did not in fact follow the procedure proscribed. Otherwise saying that as would be normal they did not submit the request in writing rather simply walked in and said we need access. But they did not address the statement from both Quest and AT&T that they were approached as early as February of 2001 to set up the spying?
And extending the time period from three day to seven days that a warrant was not required to spy within the U.S.
Welcome to the Wichita Eagle Democratic Party Yapping Blog.
bore…
Pandering to the religious right now.
In a rare Senate appearance yesterday, McCain failed to attract support for a halt to pork-barrel spending, losing on a 71-29 vote. An angry McCain told voters today that he was only “doing the Lord’s work” but unfortunately was doing it “in the city of Satan”:
Later in Springfield, Penn., McCain told voters: “We were voting on major issues of profound consequences with no discussion, no debate and 10 minutes to vote.
“Anyone who had the misfortune of watching it will know how hard it is to do the Lord’s work in the city of Satan,” said McCain, who has served four-terms in the Senate. McCain has been part of the “city of Satan” for over 20 years. <<<<
McCain has been part of the “city of Satan” for over 20 years. <<<<
Let’s see if I have this right.
For Hillary Clinton: Experience in Satans city counts in a good way.
For McCain experience in Satans city counts,but in a negative way.
Looks like Bear, Stearns has friends at a competitor and at the Fed:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/14/news/companies/jpm_bsc/index.htm?cnn=yes
Sol, this is the type of “bailout” that I think will be a norm in the future.
See the end of the 03/13 Open Thread for parkay’s response on Obamanation’s and Hog Futures Hillary’s support for partial-birth abortion and live-birth abortion.
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Led by votes from pro-abortion Democrats Obamanation and Hog Futures Hillary, the U.S. Senate rejected a measure 49-49 on Thursday night that would have promoted parental involvement in underage girls contracting the killing of their children in out-of-state abortion mills. (This is a huge source of profits for notorious late-term Wichita abortionist quack George Tiller.)
The Senate voted on an amendment from Sen. John Ensign of Nevada authorizing funds for the federal government to enforce the prevention of taking teens to another state for a secret abortion, such as a rapist might do.
Baby-hating RINO Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, and Thad Cochran of Mississippi voted against the pro-life amendment. Senators John McCain and Robert Byrd, who might have acted to pass the amendment, were not present and did not vote.
Some one should wake up Mr. McCain and tell him he still has a job he was elected to do in the Senate.
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The trial of notorious Wichita late-term abortionist quack George Tiller for 19 misdemeanor charges of slipping illegal fees to the second quack in post-viable abortions has again been delayed to June 16, raising suspicions that Judge Clark Owens is pandering to abortionist quacks. Trial had previously been scheduled for May 10.
Justice delayed ain’t justice.
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South Dakota Gov. Mike Rounds has signed a pro-life bill into law that requires abortionist quacks there to allow women considering an abortion a chance to seen an ultrasound of the baby beforehand. Mothers who view a good ultrasound of their baby rarely continue contracting the mangling, dismemberment, poisoning, or beheading of their child.
Kate Looby, director of Planned Parenthood in South Dakota, which runs the only abortion mill in South Dakota, denounced such enforcement of informed consent, since it will interfere with abortion mill profits. (Planned Parenthood also operates another abortion mill just across the state line in Sioux City, IA, about a 3-hour drive from the Sioux Falls, SD abortion mill.)
Who you going to believe GWB, or most economist who say the recession is already undeniably here? This was the one time, I’d hoped bush was right!
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/104627/Most-Economists-Say-Recession-Has-Arrived-as-Outlook-Darkens
Like I was telling Paul the other day, how do you mark to Market, when there is no Market? From the article linked by VT “The crisis, however, is not isolated to Bear Stearns, said Christopher Whalen, managing director of Institutional Risk Analytics, who predicts that the liquidity crunch will only get worse. The heart of the problem is that no one knows how to value the assets these Wall Street firms are carrying so noone wants them. “
Phantom, knew you’d find that gem. That’s why I was amazed at the S&P statement that, IIRC, the losses had all, or almost all, been quantified. I’m an outsider, and I know that they’re still trying to get a handle on the totality of the problem. Where there’s no market, or no market at the present, then no one can know what the total effects are. To say otherwise is, at best, naive.
If Bear Stearns collapsed, would the victims only be the shareholders of Bear Stearns stock? Sounds like there was a ‘run on the bank’ started by rumors. The short investors will be starting these rumors every day and make a killing!
While the stockholders would, indeed, take quite a hit, there are other considerations. IIRC, Bear, Sterns is a major player in municipal bonds, and any collapse of B,S would have a most negative effect on issuers of such securities.
Your comment on the “short sellers” is spot on, IMO, Phantom.