Open thread 3/13

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  1. Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    (PressMediaWire) Dr Ron Paul said – Many of my colleagues, faced with the reality that the war in Iraq is not going well, line up to place all the blame on the president. The president “mismanaged” the war, they say. “It’s all the president’s fault,” they claim. In reality, much of the blame should rest with Congress, which shirked its constitutional duty to declare war and instead told the president to decide for himself whether or not to go to war.

    More than four years into that war, Congress continues to avoid its constitutional responsibility to exercise policy oversight, particularly considering the fact that the original authorization no longer reflects the reality on the ground in Iraq .

    According to the original authorization (Public Law 107-243) passed in late 2002, the president was authorized to use military force against Iraq to achieve the following two specific objectives only:

    “(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq ; and
    (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq ”

    http://pressmediawire.com/article.cfm?articleID=18317

  2. Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    (PressMediaWire) – Mr.Chairman, I oppose HR 5512 because it is unconstitutional to delegate the determination of the metal content of our coinage to the Secretary of the Treasury. Under Article I Section 8 of the Constitution, the Congress is given the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof. It is a shame that Congress has already unconstitutionally delegated its coinage authority to the Treasury Department, but that is no reason to further delegate our power and essentially abdicate Congressional oversight as the passing of HR 5512 would do.

    Oversight by members of Congress, who have an incentive to listen to their constituents,ensures openness and transparency. This bill would eliminate that process and delegate it to unelected bureaucrats. The Secretary of the Treasury would be given sole discretion to alter the metal content of coins, or even to create non-metal coins. Given the history of Congressional delegation and subsequent lax oversight on issues as important as the conflict in Iraq, it would be naive to believe that Congress would exercise any more oversight over an issue as unimportant to most members as the composition of coins.

    While I sympathize with the aim of Section 4 of this bill to save taxpayer dollars by minting steel pennies, it is disappointing that our currency has been so greatly devalued as to make this step necessary. At the time of the penny’s introduction, it actually had some purchasing power. Based on the price of gold, what one penny would have purchased in 1909requires 47 cents today. It is no wonder then that few people nowadays would stoop to pick up any coin smaller than a quarter.

    Congress’ unconstitutional delegation of monetary policy to the Federal Reserve and its reluctance to exercise oversight in that arena have led to a massive devaluation of the dollar. If we fail to end this devaluation, we will undoubtedly hold future hearings as the metal value of our coins continues to outstrip the face value.

    HR5512 is a sad commentary on how far we have fallen, not just since the days of the Founders, but only in the last 75 to 100 years. We could not maintain the gold standard nor the silver standard. We could not maintain the copper standard, and now we cannot even maintain the zinc standard. Paper money inevitably breeds inflation and destroys the value of the currency. That is the reason that this proposal is before us today.

    http://pressmediawire.com/article.cfm?articleID=18325

  3. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Another week has passed and there is still no registration and sign-in for the Wichita Eagle Blog.

    It appears that lack of movement on this matter is on a very low or perhaps I should say non-existent priority list for the Editorial Department.

    It took me, all of an hour and few clicks on my Typepad Blog to set up a registration and sign in system.

    Perhaps the Wichita Eagle Editorial people are admitting technical incompetence?

    Or is it something else? :)

  4. Posted March 13, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Regular–

    Brownlee has made clear in the past that the suits that run The Eagle from “the home office” do not want a sign-in for the Weblog.

    It would reduce the number of hits, and hits produce the advertising revenue.

    Captialism in action: Screw safety and civility for the bottom line.

  5. Posted March 13, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Interesting post, Sol.

    The penny should be eliminated. It’s a waste of time.

    Parking meters don’t even take them.

    Just round everything up or down to the nearest 5 cent.

    As for other cost saving measures, eliminate the paper dollar bill for coins.

  6. Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    England for example now has 1 pound coins (equal to about 2 US dollars) and 2 pound coins (4 dollars).

    We should have something equivalent.

  7. Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    England for example now has 1 pound coins (equal to about 2 US dollars) and 2 pound coins (4 dollars).

    We should have something equivalent.

    Canada does this too. Loonies and Toonies. We’ve been trying. There are at least 4 solid dollars in circulation today. Yanks don’t like them.

  8. daves
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    they get used at work all the time. The change machine dispense $1 coins which are used in the vending machines. But apparently some of the new ones are being boycotted because they don’t say “In God we Trust” on them.

  9. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Anyone see “Values Boy’s” column in the Eagle today? If he’s reading here, I respectfully request that he read the opinion about which he complains on home schooling from California. Right Angle posted the link on an Open Monday(?) or Tuesday(?). Then, after he reads it, maybe he could consider the following:

    1) While the California Court of Appeals did find the homeschooling unlawful in that case, its opinion was based upon the provisions of the California Compulsory Education statutes which, unlike Kansas, has no provision for home schooling as he practices it. Isn’t this the kind of judicial restraint in which he believes?

    2) Yes, the California Court of Appeals found there to be no constitutional right of a parent to home school. VB believes there to be one. I’d suggest that this right lies within the “Right to Privacy”, if it exists. Since the California Court of Appeals didn’t go there, is this not again judicial restraint as opposed to judicial activism? BTW, the Pierce case to which GMC and I made reference came at this problem from a “property rights” approach, as the case involved established private schools, not home schools.

    3) Given that the decision about which he complains is based upon California law, should not the solution be found in amending the said law to provide for home schooling as VB believes is his right, rather than the California Supreme Court finding some “right”?

    Just a few thoughts for him to consider.

  10. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    An argument I’ve heard as to why we, in the U.S. should not go to a “coin” for a dollar involves the need to reconfigure the cash drawers in the registers. Sorry, don’t accept this. The coins would last longer than the paper dollars, and be more economical in the long run. The U.S. should do it.

  11. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    The reason for not going to coins is anatomical.

    As Americans get fatter, trying to put in or extract coins from skin-tight pants’ pocket is an Olympic level endeavor requiring much grunting and wheezing. :D

  12. Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    We have the coin dollar dispensing machines for the vending machines as well. I paid at a gas station $7 worth of the coins. Took the clerk a while to figure it out as the $ contained the -Indian – can’t spell her name – dollar, the president dollar, and an old Susie B. We at least need to standardize.

  13. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Sol, agreed on the standardization point. Sacajawea? Does that work? My spell checker has “passed” it.

  14. lindainks55
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    The first time hubby and I went to Ireland he told me those one and two dollar euros were drinking vouchers to be used only in the pubs. I knew better but didn’t disapprove so saved those coins for their appropriate use. We still have a few drinking vouchers — worth quite a bit more than when we bought them… We couldn’t afford to return to Europe today with the dollar’s ever-decreasing value.

  15. Dennis
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Values Boy loves to play that poor picked-on Christians card. It’s getting boring.

  16. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    I feel honestly sorry for Brentie’s kids.

    And I bet his wife has no shoes.

  17. Posted March 13, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies

    Federal Reserve’s $200 Billion Injection

    http://freethemarketman.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/ron-paul-speaks-on-federal-reserves-200-billion-injection/

  18. outlander
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    From what I’ve read about the California home school ruling, the Guvenator is appropriately on the side of the home schoolers. So either the courts will remedy the situation, or the lawmakers will.

    Another senseless court decision that will soon be moot.

  19. writerdog
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Yes I feel so oppressed! Why I just can not believe I can manage to get to the church of my choice when ever I want. Without being inconvenienced in any fashion! Why any minute of the day or night that I may want to I pray for protection by God against the overwhelming persecution of my faith in this country!
    I fear that any minute I may have the cross I wear around my neck will be ripped from my person. So much so I may need to get an even large cross to display so it is well known that I am a Christian and it will be harder for anyone that wants to pull it from around my neck!

    I am stocking up on paint thinner just in case the day comes that someone throws paint on the church! If it does not happen soon my garage will be totally full and I will need to move to a house with a larger garage!
    OH I do feel SOOOO OPPRESSED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

  20. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    outlander, IMHO, the California court ruling was consistent with the statutes in California. To this extent, it is not a “senseless” ruling.

    To my mind, the appropriate way to deal with the fall out of the ruling is to change the statutes, if a majority of the legislators there feel a change is needed. The governor is doing some political posturing, IMHO, but hey, that’s what politicians do.

  21. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    The dollar is at the lowest value compared to the Yen since the Clinton administration!

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Markets/Forex/Dollar_hits_12-year_low_vs_yen_euro_sets_new_record/articleshow/2860424.cms

    TOKYO: The dollar slumped to a 12-year low against the yen and to a new all-time nadir versus the euro in Asian trade Thursday as traders bet on a hefty cut to US interest rates next week, dealers said.

    The dollar was bid as low as 100.95 yen in Tokyo morning trade, the lowest level since December 1995 and down sharply from 101.79 yen in New York.

  22. Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Can anyone tell me what we gained by dumping $200 Billion dollars into the market? Besides it being fiat money…

  23. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Sol, by we are you referring to the general public, or are you referring to the bankers? Presuming the first, subject to rebuttal, additional risk of inflation, weaker dollar causing increase in the price of oil, increase in the cost of gasoline resulting therefrom, higher food prices due to higher production and transportation costs; in other words, nothing good, IMHO. If the latter, the bankers got 28 days of additional liquidity, theoretically making their balance sheets look a bit better. Additionally, when the government needs to borrow an additional $100 billion in 29 days, the funds are already there….

  24. littlejohn
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Outlander-

    I agree with VaughnTolle-

    The courts followed the law. They did not invent new law. That is what I want in the judiciary. The fact is, if homeschoolers want to continue, they should get the law changed.

  25. outlander
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Vaughn, I think a better adjective to describe the court’s ruling would be “futile”, rather than “senseless”. Many see the case as an attack on the home school concept. Since it is a popular concept, the applicable statutes are likely to be changed to accommodate.

    If they aren’t then I think it becomes a more serious matter beyond California.

  26. littlejohn
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    The courts upheld the law as written. WHy is that “futile” or “senseless”. It is not up to the courts to make the law. (or shouldn;t be—I get damned pissed off most of the time when they do)
    many see this as an attck on the home school concept. Maybe, but because you like the concept does not give you a righ to violate the law. Get it changed. Both sides need to quit shopping for courts sympathetic to their cause, to make law. Usse the legislature, theat’s what it’s there for.

  27. outlander
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    I believe that is what I said LJ.

    I would submit also that you do not know whether the court followed the law or not. Time will tell as the process goes forward.

  28. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Can you believe a Christian Pastor posted this on the 3/10 Open Thread?

    Chas.
    Posted March 11, 2008 at 12:11 am | Permalink
    This looks interesting >>>>

  29. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    outlander, I understand your point. The point I was attempting to make is simply this: the effect of the decision will be felt in California, of course, as it was the California statutes in question. Mr. Castillo’s rant this morning seemingly ignored this, as well as there are already statutes existing in Kansas (not likely to be repealed) which allow him and his wife to home school their children. Many other states have similar statutes addressing home schooling, as I understand it. California is one that does not.

    His arguing the “right” to home school seemed a bit much, to me, given that this right exists in Kansas, by statute. In pointing out the inconvenient (to him) fact that in order to find such a right, the Court would have had to act in a manner he otherwise finds objectionable (given his prior columns), which, all in all, merely confirms what I believe; an “activist court” is one that doesn’t decide your way when determining questions of law that are not otherwise clearly set out in statutory, constitutional, or prior decisional language.

    Yes, if home schooling, as we in Kansas and most of the country understand it, is to become lawful in California, the applicable statutes need to be changed to accommodate the same. Seems to me that’s where the focus of the governor’s efforts needs to be, rather than on further court action.

  30. Steven Davis
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    “But apparently some of the new ones are being boycotted because they don’t say “In God we Trust” on them.”

    This is an inaccurate rumor. The “In God we Trust” is printed on the outside edge of the coin – in the ribbed surface. I have seen this, too.

  31. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    outlander, while you were responding to littlejohn, and not me, may I suggest you read the decision the link to which Right Angle provided earlier in the week. The statutory language is set out within the opinion. As to whether the “law”, other than that within the statutes was correctly applied, I humbly submit that it was, for reasons fully set out in said opinion.

  32. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Steven Davis; I, too, have seen (and have one) of the dollar coins, and the language allegedly missing therefrom is set out on the face thereof, in the position thereon which you describe.

  33. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Anyone see “Values Boy’s”

    LOL, I never heard that before. took me a bit to figure who you were talking about. Then again, I’m a short bus rider.
    (I think it escaped me because I see no value in him)

  34. Songbird
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Yesterday as I was walking home from work, I was met with a huge banner proclaiming that if “you’ve been hurt by abortion, call………………”

    I am unsure as to the originators of this banner, but it appeared to be derived from the Catholic Church. Moreover, it was placed very near the Lord’s Diner, a facility for which my heart is very tender indeed. (I have availed myself of their services more than once.)

    I’m in a rather unenviable position here: I cannot support, live with or condone the criminalization of all abortion. Yet I remain pained by my own……but probably not for the same exact same reasons as many women.

    I do not wish to spread lies about my own abortionist: indeed, he was no nondescript and nonverbal that I barely remember him. Finally, and this is the big one……………

    I don’t want people pointing at my life and travails and declaring, “A-HA! See what happens to women who abort!” The staff at Via Christi didn’t indulge in this simplistic thinking 19 months ago – I don’t want anyone else doing so, either.

    I don’t want to be held up as a paragon any more than I want to be deemed an assassin. There are, however, several noble and good components of my former faith (Catholicism) that I wouldn’t mind paying homage to – with the right individual(s) in the right setting(s).

    But I guess I’ve been so turned off by the behavior of so many throughout the decades that I’m reticent. If some aged nun looks at me intently and asks me why I “killed my baby” – we’ve got major issues right off the bat.

    Respect is one thing – self-depreciation is something else (and it’s far over-rated). Some celibate crone who decided upon lifelong virginity long before I ever saw a Maxipad ain’t the person to reach this disillusioned demi-diva.

    Maybe I should call – maybe I shouldn’t. Maybe I will – maybe I won’t. But like all of us, I have to live with my conscience in the present – no matter how pained I am by the past.

  35. littlejohn
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    “believe that is what I said LJ.

    I would submit also that you do not know whether the court followed the law or not. Time will tell as the process goes forward.”

    Actually, that is not what you said. What you said was

    “So either the courts will remedy the situation, or the lawmakers will.

    Another senseless court decision that will soon be moot.”

    I disagreed with your characterization of the court decision, and that portion of your statement that the courts will remedy the situaiton. I have read the courts decision, and the applicable California law quoted. california law does not provide an exception for homeschooling. The courts ruled within the law. THAT IS THEIR DAMN JOB! Their job is not to creat new law. And if the governor has fallen on the side ofthehomeschoolers, unless he is proposing a change in the law, he is on the wrong side.

    Did you read the courts opinion? or somebodys opinion about the opinion. By the way, Kansas does allow for homeschooling. The original point was Castillo;s article. He can home school all he wants.

  36. Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    “Vaughn Tolle” wrote –

    “…the language allegedly missing therefrom is set out on the face thereof, in the position thereon which you describe.”

    Does anyone talk like that in real life?

    ;-)

  37. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    “His arguing the “right” to home school”

    And yet marriage is not a right? It is a privilege granted by the legislature? But home schooling is a “right”?

    I have no right to marry the consenting adult of my choice, but he has a right to home school his kids?

    Even HE cant believe his bullshit anymore. I think the shark called for him. He’s tired of being jumped with all this poor persecuted majority crap.

  38. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk, why are you attacking my “native language”? :-)

  39. Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Max is stuck in his ever deepening rut… I will post again what I posted before, so that all can see the alleged sin… Max you are truly WARPED!!

  40. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    I guess activist judges are in the eye of the beholder. The hypocrisy of values boy is just breath taking.

  41. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Coming clean, MonkeyHawk, I do not “talk like that” in real life; I do, however, write like that from time to time, sometimes for work, sometimes to have a bit of fun.

  42. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    The flap about “in god we trust” on the coins reminds me of the flap about wearing a made in china flag pin. Much ado about nothing. Showmanship. More concern for the symbol than for the real thing.

    Your flag decal, or your coins, STILL wont get you into heaven “anymore” as Prine said.

  43. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    That’s alright, Vaughn, by reading that post 3 times, changing the order of phrases twice, I think I actually understood it.

    (BTW, I imaging y’all have a hard time understanding my posts, too. All the parentheticated (is that a word???) sections are just the main offshoot of my non-lateral thinking processes)

  44. Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Repeating here the post that MAX is having a mental hernia about >>>
    ================================

    Chas.
    Posted March 12, 2008 at 11:56 pm | Permalink
    Here Max… Let EVERYBODY see what you are flaming about… Let EVERYBODY see this most interesting Obit. about a young man with a vision far beyond his years, that he filled out a donor card to save the lives of at least FIVE other people — Let EVERYBODY see what a small minded idiot YOU ARE MAX…

    Chas.
    Posted March 11, 2008 at 12:11 am | Permalink
    This looks interesting >>>>

    McClure, Benjamin Harrison, 20, cherished son, brother and uncle, passed away Friday, March 6, 2008. Ben was born March 2, 1988 in Wichita, Kan. He was able to graduate in 2006 from Southeast High School while living on his own, and later moved on to work at Burlington Coat Factory and the Cracker Barrel. He was a passionate writer and pianist, and an advent student of yoga and meditation. Ben was known and loved by many and will be best remembered for his kind heart and giving nature. He was always quick to help a friend in need, even when he had very little himself to give. Even in his sudden death, there is comfort in knowing that his generous spirit lived on in the gift of organ donation. Through his passing he was able to give the most of himself by saving the lives of at least five different people. He is survived by his mother and stepfather, Angela and Stan Allenbach; his father, James McClure; sisters, Shelby Bais, Molly McClure, Anna McClure; his three nieces, Paige and Lynndon Bais, Nia McClure; grandfather, Glen McClure. Funeral sevices 10 a.m. Thursday, March 13, 2008, Biglow-Bethea Funeral

    Chas.
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:00 am | Permalink
    Max — The true question is: What Christian pastor WOULD NOT notice the self-giving nature of this young man, who died way too young, but yet, had a vision of being able to save others, in the event of his own passing??

    THAT is the TRUE question…. Now, Max, leave ME alone, and stop harrassing me with your extremist hatred for all that is beautiful, and holy, in this holy season!!

  45. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Pssttt… Chas. Does anyone read Max’s posts? I occasionally catch the tail of one when i refresh a tab, but that’s about it.

  46. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Chas.
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:29 am | Permalink
    Max spews: “Maybe Chas’ posts could be sent to his church.”

    Thats a good one Max… This young man’s story is in my Easter newsletter column for my parish… See, Max, this young man’s story of giving, is part of what celebrating New Life and Easter is all about!!

    But, I guess your mind is too closed, and warped to see Easter in the stories of People all around us. And that, sir, is a shame!
    =================================

    Max seems to be flaming about organ donation, used to save lives!! Organ donation is an ultimate celebration of Resurrection and Easter!

  47. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Fish, you might be right, but this one is getting very old, and very warped, very fast!

    Thus, let everybody see what he is flaming about!

    Happy Easter!

  48. littlejohn
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    New topic?

    “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is throwing cold water on the idea of a “dream ticket” on the Democratic presidential ballot that includes both Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.).

    “Take it from me — that won’t be the ticket,” Pelosi said Thursday at her weekly press conference. Pressed for further explanation by a chorus of reporters shouting, “Why?” Pelosi declined to elaborate.”

    Is she looking for a ______/Pelosi ticket?

    Why doesn;t she just be quiet about things that are not under her control or advisement. Goes for all politicans, not just her.

  49. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Gotta go for now… Backi later!!

  50. writerdog
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Vaughn Tolle” wrote –
    “…the language allegedly missing therefrom is set out on the face thereof, in the position thereon which you describe.”
    Does anyone talk like that in real life?
    ?

    LOL I do MH, as a means to either communicate ideas or voice where I am in or have been in agreement with or take a standing upon the current or past position I have or will hold thereof. Upon the evaluation of the presented evidence of a possible ramifications or appearance therefrom. Or if there is or may in the event be a alterative solution to the moment of decision. I take my drunken bother-in-law along with me wherever my endeavors may or may not thereof transgress and the courses of interacting within a social environment. As a translator therewith.

  51. Phantom
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    My Windows XP crashed on my other computer, guess I’ll have to buy a new OS, as my backup disk has bad places on it. Does anyone have VISTA, is it better than XP?

  52. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Songbird,

    I feel for you. Talk to someone. Don’t burry it. And above all, never forget it.

  53. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Max and Chas,

    Cut the shit guys. That got two threads shut down already.

    Max,
    Pretty much any one with any type of common sense knows what chas did. We know and we remember. Let it die.

    Chas,
    An apology would go a long way.

  54. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Phantom,

    DOOOOOOOON’T DOOOO IIIIIT !!!!!

    Wait for at least service pack one. There are many many issues with Vista. I am a Windows developer. I had it on a pretty high end box at home. I went back to XPSP2 with a quickness.

  55. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Phantom, I’ve a new laptop with Vista coming already installed. Haven’t used it enough yet to come to any firm opinions, but at present if it was I, I’d stay with XP, at least until the Service Pack 1 for Vista is available. Of course, what I’d really do in your situation is look at a Linux distro, and….

  56. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Phantom,

    What do you mean it crashed? Send me an email and we’ll see if we can get you back up and running – SolDevVB@GMail.com

  57. writerdog
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Heee!

  58. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Chas keeps changing the bolded part of his post.

    **Just look at the original 3/10 post.

    **It was a pure attack on McCluer and his family.

    And he keeps defending it. He’s proud of it.

    If he’s proud of it, he should be thankful that his post lives on daily.

  59. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Fish,

    Not even close brother.

  60. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    There are many many issues with Vista. I am a Windows developer.

    Starting with windows 3.0 I’ve learned that no version of windows is worth the iron ( ok, now it’s photons) it’s printed on until the newer version is ready to come out. the 3.1 patched enough to make 3.0 workable. All the patches made 3.1 pretty decent by time 95 came around. 95 began to get it’s act together just about the time ME came out. Me STILL STINKS! but xp if sinally beginning to come around. Just in time for Vista.

  61. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    “Songbird” shared –

    “I’m in a rather unenviable position here: I cannot support, live with or condone the criminalization of all abortion. Yet I remain pained by my own……but probably not for the same exact same reasons as many women.”

    I’ve known several women who’ve chosen to end pregnancy. Everyone’s story is different and the reasons always seem the same.

    I’ve come to understand abortion as spiritually akin to amputation. (And that’s one reason I reject the term “pro-abortion.” I mean, is anyone pro-amputation? Of course not. But sometimes amputation is the only rational choice.) Something’s gained but something’s lost.

    “Maybe I should call – maybe I shouldn’t. Maybe I will – maybe I won’t. But like all of us, I have to live with my conscience in the present – no matter how pained I am by the past.”

    I’d advise that you seek a support group of women who aren’t brought together by a faith-based institution. No reason not to bring your faith, but avoid outfits who have a faith-based agenda at its core. They’ll go straight to the “forgive your sins” rhetoric and you didn’t commit a “sin,” you made a choice.

    We’ve all made choices. Some good. Some bad. (I’ve made some poor choices myself. Homing pigeon robbery, for example.) And all choices have consequences. But we can drive ourselves nuts obsessing over “if-onlys” and “what-ifs.”

    Good luck with your journey through life, “Songbird.”

  62. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Apology Sol?

    Chas will NEVER do that. He’s dug his hole too deep for that.

  63. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    I know Max, I’d just hate to get another thread closed because of his stupidity.

  64. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Hey, I’m still using 3.11 on an old box here in the office; works for what limited needs I have for it. Sadly, though, the old box is soon destined for the recycler, as it is having some rather major hardware issues (intermittently, right now, but the end is in sight), likely to be replaced with a “newer” box obtained from the same folks. I’ll get it with XPSP2, then set up a dual boot with Ubuntu, and if all goes as expected, will likely convert it to all Linux. Only need Windows for certain selected things, and the laptop will serve for these purposes (which, when the Linux drivers get up to speed for the graphics card it has, will be a dual boot machine as well).

  65. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Phantom,

    A good replacement box ;-)

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2275267,00.asp

  66. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    I have nothing to apologize for. And if Max and Sol are that dense and stupid, then so be it. Max, the family in the obit is not the McCluer family. Please learn to READ. The young man who died had the vision to sign an organ donor card, to save at least FIVE LIVES… THAT is the point of interest… Get over yourself, Max (or whoever you are today)

  67. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Price
    $6,652.00

    geesh, that’s more’n my house
    *ducks*

  68. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Ok, Sol. For you, I’ll drop back to just one post per day on this until:

    1) The WE pulls that post or

    2) Chas apologizes and requests the WE to pull his own post.

    Chas will be allowed to continue to post as many obituaries as he wants.

    Next, Chas can go officiate a veterans funeral and protest it at the same time.

  69. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    The young man who died had the vision to sign an organ donor card, to save at least FIVE LIVES… THAT is the point of interest

    You know what? Phuck it.

    Chas, you are an absolute liar. If that had been the focus of your post, you would have bolded that part and not the father’s name.

    Now granted you have the intellect of pond scum, at least try to understand the rest of us are not that stupid.

    The bolded section of your original post speaks for itself. Freakin own your mistakes Chas. Good Lord man.

  70. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Max

    Phuck it Max, if this dolt is going to continue to lie, blast the moron. Have a field day brother.

  71. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Fish,
    Pretty pricy. The link says it is noisy and thee are cheaper models with the same specs. But those specs… drooooooling !!!

  72. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    VT,
    Haven’t ventured into the land of Linux. Do they support multi core processors? How about off the shelf software? Does it run on Linux or do you need special builds?

  73. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Sol, OK, I was drooling, too; did move the keyboard “just in case” before I read the specs, however…

  74. Pat Herron
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    There is no way that someone with such deceitful, mean-spirited, postings, and awful language is a man of God. Period. No church would have him.

    I don’t recall any other obits being posted here. I guess McClure is the first organ donor in the world.
    Otherwise, it was just a mean-spirited post. It had no context with other posts.

  75. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Thanks Sol.

    This is the biggest lie since Cain was asked about Abel.

    Hourly reminders will probably be sufficient.

    Fire at will…

  76. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Alienware always has nice high end boxes. And the box design is too cool as well. RAID on a home machine, just too cool. Too bad they are so over priced :-(

  77. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    “SolDevVB” offers –

    “Pretty pricy. The link says it is noisy and thee are cheaper models with the same specs. But those specs… drooooooling !!!”

    For a moment there I thought you’d cut and pasted Eliot Spitzer’s “diamond review” for “Krystin.”

    :-)

  78. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Monkey —

    LMAO.

    Who was that basketball player that bought his wife a $4 million diamond ring after being *caught*?

  79. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Max–

    If James McCluer isn’t upset about it, I don’t know why your panties are all in a wad.

    Why don’t you post a little closer to home . . . like in Des Moines?

  80. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    But those specs… drooooooling

    My gaming is limited to free cell, minesweeper, and Civilization III. Ya think it’ll handle it?

  81. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Sol, many of the current Linux distros support multi-core processors. On the software question, many “off the shelf” stuff doesn’t run natively. There are emulators some use for this purpose. There are many Linux alternatives to off the shelf stuff that work well, very well in many cases.

    As you are a developer, I’m sure that you wouldn’t find Linux in your work world too acceptable. For me, my major needs are word processing, spreadsheet, internet access, a bit of data base; the OpenOffice stuff works well for the first two, Firefox (or Ephiphany) for number 3, I’m still playing with OpenOffice Base on the data base stuff. Use GnuCash for the office accounting, as you know.

    If anyone out there is a gamer, don’t get a Linux distro; I know you will be disappointed. Stay with Windows. For those of us who use a computer as a tool in our business, the applications available work well (e.g., under OO’s word processor, can save files to M$ Word format (three different ones, to be precise) so can share with clients), and all in all, can meet many, or in my case, darned near all, needs.

    Sol, hope this answers your questions, at least in part.

  82. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Fish-

    Weeeeel, you might want an upgraded graphics card and a few more gigs of ram, but it’ll get ya through ;-)

  83. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    I’ve known a few linux fans – my boss for one… I write M$.Net code. Supposed to be cross platform. Haven’t looked into it much. Sounds like there may be a market though :-D

    Thanx for the info.

  84. rfl
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    I have to hand it to the Florida Democratic leadership. They definitely deserve some kind of award for stupidity.

    The latest headlines from Karen Thurman, Florida Democratic Chairwoman:

    “No action is truly a solution if it leaves Florida voters feeling that they were excluded from the most exciting nominating contest in history,” Thurman wrote.

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/13/florida-democratic-party-chief-argues-for-mail-in-ballot-plan/

    Meanwhile, just a few months ago, this was the strategy of Karen Thurman:

    They decided to stick to January, said Karen Thurman, the party chairwoman, to ensure the largest possible turnout and to avoid accusations of disenfranchisement from Democrats still bitter about the 2000 recount.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/us/politics/24florida.html?hp

    The Darwin award looks unaminous all ready this year.

  85. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    I think there is a market, Sol, as there does appear to be more and more adoption of Linux in the corporate world. While the hard core Linux user might bristle at paying for something, that’s not true for corporate adopters and users.

    I’m sure you’ve heard the extolling of the various virtues (real and perceived) of Linux from your boss and others. One thing Linux is really good for is running network servers. Darned stuff is almost bullet proof in such an environment.

  86. rfl
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    “unaminous” should be “unanimous”

  87. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    As a matter of fact, that is what my boss talked about. The parent company fears open source or freeware. I have offered a few freeware/open source tools. When they were rejected, I found tools that cost from hundreds to thousands and didn’t offer the functionality/flexibility of the freeware, they jumped at it.

    I have heard that the Linux servers are excessively robust. Novel used to be a pretty good server platform as well. But back *in the day* M$ decided that a product wasn’t ready for market until it broke Novel’s network. Seems the strategy worked.

  88. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Another plus for Linux – hackers. Lots of hackers prefer Linux and view M$ as *the enemy*. Thus M$ is their target. Being open source, Linux isn’t attacked or even probed as much and if security leaks are found, in house developers can attempt to patch them vs. waiting the inevitable Windows HotFix.

  89. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    CapN… The young man in the obit is not part of the McCluer family… He is part of the McClure family… These bozos on the Blog cannot READ… ALSO, in my original post, I did not BOLD anything… I have no idea how that got there… Just a technical screw up I presume…

  90. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    My interest in the Obit, is that the young man, aged 20, had the foresight to sign an organ donor card, and thus save the lives of at least FIVE other people!! What an Easter message that is!! You just dont see that kind of thing every day from young people now days… This is a GREAT story!! Except for a few bozos who cant think in anything but “Black and White”

  91. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Well, Sol, I know Google’s servers run on Linux. There is an electronic “publication” to which I subscribe that describes the adoption of Linux in the corporate world, problems which have arisen, solutions that have been found, etc., that neatly dovetails into your story about the fear of FOSS in such an environment. My take is if something goes wrong, those responsible for the adoption of the software want to have the vendor thereof to blame.

  92. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    want to have the vendor thereof to blame.

    Ya got that right !!! CYA is the phrase of the day.

  93. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Security isn’t a big issue with Linux yet. I’m not naive enough to think that if Linux adoption becomes a really big deal that it won’t be. Presently, though, on the Ubuntu distro I run, I get security updates almost daily, not because anyone has exploited a “weakness”, but the potential weakness was found by someone looking at the code and found such, with the update forthcoming very quickly.

  94. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t it strange how several posters have adopted using the bold tags? Isn’t it also strange that none of them have had parts of posts magically bolded for them. That is until…

    Cahs, your nose is growing.

  95. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    You have to wonder about the folks that sit around and try to find code vulnerabilities. They are just *wired* differently. Not knocking them, just kinda … weirded out?

  96. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    That post was a screw-up alright.

    Bolding print doesn’t happen by accident.

  97. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    JR was chasing that poor sheep until the cops arrived.

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2764624.html

    Super sheep outran police

    German police are trying to trace the owner of a sheep which outran police patrol cars and beat up a police dog.

    Police in the northern German village of Guester say the sheep ran through the streets of the town at more than 30mph.

    It reportedly leapt over the bonnets of police cars used as a road block to cut off its escape and even chased off pursuing police dogs with a few well aimed head butts.

    Officers eventually caught up with it after it jumped into a field and started tucking into the grass.

    A police spokesman said: “It was not an easy pursuit. The animal had quite a turn of speed on it. We have appealed for its owner to come forward.”

  98. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Yes they are “wired” differently, Sol. I’m thankful they are, though. Not meaning to brag or anything, but the only reason I run an anti-virus program is so I don’t inadvertently pass something along to my Windows friends on the rare occasion I forward an email with an attachment. An acquaintance once forwarded me something that had, unbeknownst to him, a nasty bit of code embedded therein. He was down for a day or so while the tech worked on the problem; the darn thing didn’t do a thing to me (knock on wood).

  99. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    This is interesting….

    WICHITA, Kan. — Alliance Defense Fund attorneys filed a federal civil rights lawsuit Thursday on behalf of a Wichita pastor arrested for attempting to express his faith on a public sidewalk outside of an event celebrating homosexual behavior. Although Pastor Chas Holick was arrested, city officials have since dropped the trespassing charges against him after watching a videotape that showed Holick conducting himself in a peaceful manner.

  100. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    even chased off pursuing police dogs with a few well aimed head butts.

    Wolf proof sheep. Sounds like good breedin’ stock. Ought to import a few. Take care of the coyote problem here.

  101. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Microsoft is bloatware. They try to pack in so many features and get them rolled out as fast as they can. Example Vista. Leaves the door open for hackers.

  102. American Way
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Chas, do you really think the people who read and/or post to this blog are that dense?

    And please, ask the WEBLOG for a Christian Thread for each of these religious occassions. You filled the blog at Christmas which was bad enough. Now you want to start battles for Easter too?

    Post it on a religious blog.

    And it is sad, the character of many of your posts do not contribute the happiness of any Christian season.

    I feel sorry for you.

  103. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    You got that right, Sol; bloatware.

  104. Dennis
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    You could solve a lot of your problems by buying a Macintosh that uses the Leopard OS. I switched to Mac several years ago and haven’t looked back.

    And yes, I use Word/Excel and Powerpoint, because Apple’s versions such.

    But that’s it.

    Try it, you’ll like it.

  105. Dennis
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Apple’s versions suck

    no matter what the OS, typing and proofreading are important. A lesson that maybe someday I’ll learn.

  106. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Not quite Chas,

    You brought that obit into the mix of a thread when my name was brought up and I told J R, he was quite wrong in his assumptions about me. In fact, it was almost immediately after J R’s comments.

    If it were indeed my family and the funeral were today as the obit states, I would be hiring a detective to find your Satanic ass and then drag you out for a public beating.

    What you did was despicable and you did it to try to act “smart” but ended up acting the ‘fool’ once again.

    Just apologize Chas and admit why you did it.

    No apologies mean you are not a man, but a sniveling coward.

  107. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Keep it up Max… See if you can get another thread closed — You got a good start on it so far!! Keep up the harrassment… WEBlog cant afford to have that happening day after day… But, have fun!! IDIOT!!

  108. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Understand, Dennis. However, unrepentant rebel that I am, I’m running Linux on a Mac G4 Cube that, without some upgrading, can’t run Leopard (which, by the way, has some Linux stuff as its base). Runs my Linux just fine.

    Macs haven’t had security problems, or as many security problems, as Windows machines due to market share. Likely to stay that way, too, IMHO. Not too sure what will happen with the Intel based Macs, but that’s for a different discussion.

  109. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Still waiting on James to call that meet up with “Max”.

    It would be interesting to find out if “Max” is courageous and mouthy in person.

  110. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    James, you stupid FOOL… That obit had NOTHING to do with YOU or your family!! It is of absolutely NO interest to YOU!! It IS of interest, however, to anybody who might have second thoughts about signing an organ donor card… Which is what the obit is all about…

    Now, if you want to argue against organ donation, fine… Anything else is total FLAMING on your part, and Max, and Sol, and anybody else that wants to object!!

    So, if you have an argument about organ donation, and this young man saving as many as FIVE lives because of it, then bring it on, and see how far you get!!

    Otherwise… SHUT UP!!!

  111. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Well Regular, I’m glad it wasn’t you.

    But the real family is still out there, and I hope they didn’t see their family tragedy mocked by Chas on this blog.

  112. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    You didn’t bold the organ donor part chas, you bolded a name similar to *Regular*’s name. Shame shame.

  113. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    JR, you can’t even get your own side to meet-up with you! They tolerated you for a while. Now even they are attacking you.

    Afraid of you? H*ll no. But why would I or anyone else want to meet scum like you?

    You want to prove that you are a man JR?

    Go take care of your own family without begging.

  114. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    And for some kewl news………..

    “Seven Cuban soccer players slip away from team hotel in Tampa”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3291411

    “The day after five members of Cuba’s under-23 national soccer team left their hotel with the intention of defecting, two more players disappeared Wednesday night.”

  115. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    And no comment, none, was made at the time of the post about how nice it was the young man was an organ donor.

    Chas dreampt up that excuse later…

  116. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    I’m not the one on government assistance James.

  117. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Yes, obituaries are all about organ donors.

  118. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    JR, who pays for your son’s healthcare now? Or is he uninsured?

    You posted that you didn’t pay for your son’s healthcare before.

    I wouldn’t bring this up, cept for the fact that you brought it up, and whined about it. And now you want to be a man and all.

    Good luck with that.

  119. Pat Herron
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Although Pastor Chas Holick was arrested, city officials have since dropped the trespassing charges against him after watching a videotape that showed Holick conducting himself in a peaceful manner.

    Hey Max! Did you post this because it is almost Easter time and you wanted to make a comment on the joy of giving on behalf of others? And getting arrested on behalf of the cause?

    Sorta like JC getting a trial, convicted, and crucified?

    I’m sure that is what you MEANT, right?

  120. Pat Herron
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    JR, who pays for your son’s healthcare now? Or is he uninsured?

    Don’t forget about the free computer…..

  121. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Whatever James.

  122. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Obiously, Pastor Holick should not have been arrested to begin with… He had not violated any laws… He was only being a nuisance… But not an illegal one…

  123. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    JR — This is what is called harrassment in most places… Most Blogs would not allow such deviants to be in control!!

  124. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Yes, Pat that’s it!

  125. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Or maybe it was a technical screw up.

  126. Pat Herron
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    The JR/CHAS troll is filling the blog. Time to find an active blog.

  127. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    You were OUTED Chas.

    That is not harrassment.

  128. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Posting your own words Chas…

  129. Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    This is what is called harrassment in most places… Most Blogs would not allow such deviants to be in control!!

    That is pretty rich considering the following chas…

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-311/#comment-311095
    “Flaming. Disagreement is to be expected, but personal attacks on other reviewers are off limits.”

    “all of you Bitchers and Moaners”

    “You bunch of panty waste SPAMMERS”

    “UNLIKE ALL OF YOU BITCHERS AND MOANERS”

    “YOU IDIOTS CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THAT”

    “IF YOU PANTY WASTES CAN”

    “WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS”

  130. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m waiting for :: to show up.

    You know, the one who flames bloggers will repeated short posts.

  131. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    You know, the one who flames bloggers will repeated short posts.

  132. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Many of those were deleted Sol, so they don’t count.

    Chas was forgiven by the WE.

  133. Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Exxon Mobil Diversifies Into the Hybrid Car Market

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/68435-exxon-mobil-diversifies-into-the-hybrid-car-market?source=yahoo

    “(the main problem with lithium batteries is that at some point they explode). “

  134. Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    chas was ostracized by the WE.

  135. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    So, it appears Chas is admitting he is not a man and is indeed a sniveling coward.

    A real man would have apologized for the post, regardless of what it was intended for.

    Too late Chas, you had your chance.

    We know what you are now.

  136. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Max (JM) KNOCK IT OFF.

    Song- I agree with Monkey. DO NOT go where they’re going to condemn you for your acts. Religion acts only to guilt you for everything anyway, so sorry that Catholics seem to be the worst for it.

    I’ve struggled with religion issues to the point that where I finally sought, I found nothing. So I rest more at ease with my own spirituality. I believe there is a God, and I also believe that Religion is evil.

    Only you know why you chose to have an abortion. I’m sure that you weighed the pros, the cons, and made the decision you felt best at the time for yourself. You know how things are now, but what would they be like had you NOT had an abortion? I’m sure you think about a cute little perfect baby cooing. Sure, that happens. But sometimes it doesn’t. You could instead have a disabled difficult child, no money, no sleep, constantly worried about how you’ll buy diapers, food, rent, utilities…if you end up on the streets will SRS come take your baby and find an abusive foster home? There are so many ifs, and what could have been.

    DO seek a mental health professional, someone who can guide you to help you not have to make that choice again. Where you can move yourself from this to someone you’re very proud to be, where abortion won’t be even a thought if you should become pregnant again.

    You’ve gotten a second chance to make something happen with your life. Now take it, and use it- be productive…as regret will only lead you backward.

  137. Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    James — I have nothing for which to apologize… YOU however… attacking ordained clergy for disagreeing with you… name calling… calling me a satanist… YOU sir, have much for which to be totally ashamed and apologetic… But you wont do it… Nor would anybody here expect you to…

    I apologize for nothing…. I DO offer my praises to the young man for signing a donor card that saved at least FIVE LIVES… the very point that ALL of you Flamers keep missing… And by missing that point, it is YOU folks who make a mockery of that young man’s death… not ME!!

  138. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    I doubt Chas is Pastor Holick. He appears to be Pro-life and anti-gay.

    Also, Pastor Holick appears to be a real Pastor of a real church.

    Chas, on the other hand…

  139. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    CHAS, just stop it.

    We know.

  140. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    To quote square peg “: :” and Chas…

    Your March 13, 2008 at 1:31 pm post is

    BOVINE EXCREMENT.

  141. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    The Geraldine Ferraro defense!

  142. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    On NBC Nightly News, Ferraro said she resigned because she wanted to get the dispute over her comments “off the news.” She also accused the Obama campaign of putting the issue in the national spotlight.

    “If anybody is going to apologize, they should apologize to me for calling me a racist,” she said.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/03/13/america/OUKWD-UK-USA-POLITICS-CORRECTION.php

  143. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Ms. Ferraro made no apologies. “Am I sorry? No, no, no,” she said. “I am sorry there are people who think I am racist.”

    She accused the Obama campaign of misrepresenting her remarks to hurt Mrs. Clinton, saying: “They have played the race card time after time after time. The campaign has a goal, which is to attack Hillary. They have to find a way and they can’t do it on experience, on issues, so they look for places. They came up with this, and, well, here we go.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/us/politics/13ferraro.html?em&ex=1205553600&en=c32e1091707eac04&ei=5087

  144. Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Hillary or Obama?? I dont think it matters… Either one of them can run circles around McCain!! And thats what they are afraid of… The Reich Wing Nuts just think they can have a better chance of beating Hillary!! I will vote for either one of them against McCain!!

  145. Posted March 13, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Max can’t meet you JR because he lives in Iowa.

    Don’t know why he won’t admit that.

  146. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    I never disclose my location on the Internet Capn.

    Basic rules of protocol for those who want to avoid the real nuts out there.

    Your fascination with me is understanble though.

  147. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    understandable

  148. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Well, hell, dude, you can narrow it down to the freakin’ STATE.

    That level of secrecy borders on the cowardly . . .

  149. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Why is that Capn? You’ve lied so much about what you do for living, where you live, where you work and what poster you claim to be (”I confess I’m right angle quote”)

    …I can only draw the conclusion you are a coward.

  150. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Whew, that didn’t take long.

    Mr. Always On proves once again that he is always on.

    Regular, I’ve always let people know that I do live in Wichita.

    Wichita, Kansas.

  151. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    As for what you do for a living, it’s nothing.

    Literally, nothing. So let’s not go there . . .

  152. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Prove it.

  153. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Okay, Regular.

    At exactly four-thirty pm, I’ll drive by your house and give you three blasts on the car horn.

  154. Danny
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Vaughn stated:
    “As you are a developer, I’m sure that you wouldn’t find Linux in your work world too acceptable.”

    Sorry picking on this. Actually I disagree with this completely. I think you’d like Linux more as there are a great number of resources devoted to linux development that is free.

    Even .NET style development is available using Mono.net/Monodevelop. I use Linux solely at work for Development and went from Windows to Linux for that purpose as it was better for the type of development we do.

  155. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    People drive by and honk all the time. Still proves nothing.

    But just in case, I’ll catch you on the video cam. :)

  156. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    and post it to my blog.

  157. Songbird
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Political_Mama and Monkey Hawk: Thanks for the feedback.

    There’s little no chance of this old bird being impregnated, I’m afraid. I’ll be 50 next October; I’m pretty darned sure I’m in men-oh-pause, and I’m so crippled and knarled up that I’m not sure who’d want to knock me up, anyway.

    You make some salient points; but just to clarify, I wish I could have chosen adoption, not keeping the child. Raising the child would have been horrendous, in my opinion – for the CHILD, not its errant mother/father. I was very emotionally ill back then; my mother was even more ill (with some illnesses that weren’t even real), and I had no job or income or self-reliance.

    The reasons why I condemn my youthful idiocy are too expansive to describe here. I have absolutely no right to speak for other women, judge other women or to know what other women have thought or felt while in the same situation. Because my judgments cannot traverse the legal sphere, I’m not sure how “at home” I’d feel at a Rachel’s Vinyard retreat.

    I’ve been told, by someone whom I respect, that they are ecumenical in nature. However, I have some concerns; perhaps I am exhibiting too much harshness in my judgments.

    Anyway – just to end on a humorous note: If you haven’t seen the hilarious movie “Borat” – go rent that DVD and prepare to leave this cold, cruel world for a while. In one pivotal scene, Mr. Borat is dining at a hoity-toit society dinner. He excuses himself to the men’s room, and returns with a precious reminder that plumbing and modern sewage aren’t staples in his country.

    Now, it’s funny when Borat inflicts his (crap) on society. It isn’t all that funny when a young girl, supposedly in the prime of youth and/or vitality, fixates on crap (i.e., my ex) at the expense of other concerns. Add to that the transgressions of wasted time; wasted energy; wasted love and wasted aspirations.

    Certainly, these errancies are not true of the vast majority of women who have had abortions, I’d venture to say.

    Oh well….ya gotta see “Borat.” His real name is Sascha Baron Cohen – and I’ve still got his November 2006 “Rolling Stone” cover taped to my wall at home. That movie was so danged funny, I very nearly had to be air-lifted from the theatre.

    And that’s 200 pounds of liftin’!!!!!!!

  158. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Danny,

    Does Mono.net/Monodevelop use the CLR? Is it compatable with, say, the framework 3.5? Is it using the M$ framework or a ‘clone’ ?

  159. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    CapN says: “That level of secrecy borders on the cowardly . . .”

    CapN — That might depend on what kind of “facility” he lives in ROFL!!

  160. Danny
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Sol,

    Mono is the equivalent of the CLR. And .NET code that works with Mono is technically(and I’ve not been able to prove otherwise) compatible with the CLR. But it is using a clone.

  161. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    I just surfed their site. Only C# as of yet :-(
    VB guy myself. Good to know stuff though. Thanx for providing that.

  162. Nathan
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Regular,

    Perhaps you could email my father your address. He is trusted with these things.

    I will be at your house when Capnamerica does his driveby honking.

    I will photograph his license plate number and then we can taunt him about knowing where he lives as well.

    And then we can post misc facts about him and his personal life and how he may or may not be very truthful about it here.

  163. Danny
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Sol,

    I also sent you an email in regards to linux and various ways to get off-the-shelf software to work with it.

  164. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Yup, I replied.

  165. fleettwood
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Reason # 5,267 why you people will lose in November.
    Wealthy taxpayer = $31,850???

    “Obama and Clinton both promise to reverse Bush’s tax cuts for wealthier taxpayers, but the Democratic budget they’ll be voting for would allow income tax rates to go up on individuals making as little as $31,850 and couples earning $63,700 or more.”

  166. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the offer Nathan. I don’t believe anyone should be bothered outside of the blog. However, with that said, it doesn’t appear to stop the Radical Left.

    Besides, your father Hank, has my address, phone number and email. :)

  167. Nathan
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Regular,

    Thanks, I wouldn’t really do it, just pointing out the absurdity of some here.

    If you ever need anything though, just let me know.

  168. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Regular,

    Invest in some stop sticks :-D

  169. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Say Fleet, many here think $31,000 IS rich!

  170. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Sol,

    One can tell when High School let’s out on my street as it turns into a “Mega Woofer” alley, vibrating every window in the area for blocks.

    Should be used to it living on an Air Force Base where take offs where quite loud and the Engine Test facilities would rattle your “eye teeth” out of socket.

    In fact, after four years on a very active base, when I departed to another location, I had trouble getting to sleep as it was too quiet. :)

  171. Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    BDP Fleet is full of shit as usual.

    Nobody said 1. that they would raise taxes on couples making 60 grand or 2. that these people are “rich.”

    Where’d you hear that, BDP Fleet? Rush O’Hannity?

  172. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23612342/

    Obama and Clinton be raising taxes on the rich – $31,000 and up!!!!

    How’s that for protecting the Middle Class!!!!

  173. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Hell, I was almost rich at age 25 making $30,000!!!!

    Filthy rich at $40,000 by age 29!!!!

  174. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Danny, thanks for the clarification and support. My knowledge of what Sol “developed” was a bit sketchy, thus the comment.

    Sol, y’all paying attention here? :-)

  175. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    And goodbye $1,000 per child tax credit!!!!

    Obama and Hillary be taking that away!!!!

  176. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    $60,000 a year is not rich either. It’s above the median income, but if one has several kids and lives in a state like California, it’s a meager salary to try and stay ahead of the system.

    To me, rich or should I say, financially well off, is making $225,000/ year or more or having accumulated wealth from assets that place you in that income category.

    My definition of rich belongs to the millionaire and billionaire class.

  177. Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Yahsuh!!! Been learning lots.

  178. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    (Red faced) Sol was paying attention; I wasn’t. Sorry.

  179. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Hmm, the figures provided are the 2007 ones for each bracket, and affect taxable income. Now, these “cuts” were temporary (some Congressional sleight of hand back then to minimize the cuts), so their expiration, by their own terms, is not, to me, an increase; it is just the law as it was enacted.

    Regular, you and I find ourselves in agreement as to “rich”. On well off? I’d go $300,000 or more, but hey, just an opinion of mine.

  180. fleettwood
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    “…the Democratic budget they’ll be voting for would allow income tax rates to go up on individuals making as little as $31,850 and couples earning $63,700 or more.””

    Dearest capn:

    You can read. Who is the BDP?

  181. lindainks55
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    In case anyone is interested, the game between Colorado and Baylor is exciting! At one point Colorado was up 15 points, Baylor came back and tied the game, which is going into the SECOND overtime!

  182. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    New episode of “Lil bush” tonight at 9:30 on Comedy central.

    That show is major league awesome.

  183. CapnA
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Upon further reflection . . . I don’t have to prove anything.

    I’m the one who has actually met with a lot of the other post-ers on this blog–unlike Regular and Max.

    They can vouch that what I say is true.

  184. CapnA
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    You didn’t provide a link, BDP.

    Also, it’s not their budget. It’s a possible budget they will possibly be voting for . . .

  185. CapnA
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Yup, I’m looking forward to that, J R.

  186. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    No CapnA, you’ve only met with your Lib buddies who vouch for each other, which is not credible in a court of law or here on the blog.

    Independent verification is proof.

    You haven’t been to a meet up, you provided a convenient excuse not to show up.

  187. F N A
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    That right bubba!

  188. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Yup I’ve met Capn. Twice I think.

    He gave my kid coffee. Thanks again Capn.

  189. CapnA
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, hehehe.

    The drug of caffeine is the most insidious of all.

    As far as the meetups go, I’ve never made an excuse–I’ve said simply that if there’s a chance James M. or the Price’s are going to be there, I’m not interested.

  190. fleettwood
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CONGRESS_BUDGET?SITE=TXMID&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    Here you go, capn

  191. parkay
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    You can see a GRAPHIC video taken March 3 of the bloody surgical materials, hypodermic needles, private medical records, and the remains of aborted human babies found in a garbage bin used by the notorious abortionist quack Alberto Hodari’s Michigan abortion mill, in violation of state and federal laws. The tiny fingers, arms, and rib cages mangled and dismembered by the abortionist quack (at about 6 weeks gestation) are clearly identified.
    Pro-lifers are demanding the shutdown of the filthy, criminal Womancare abortion mill in Lathrup Village, MI as a danger to public health and safety, as well as medical confidentiality.
    See news page
    http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=885
    and page
    http://jillstanek.com/
    - – -

    Minnesota lawmakers introduced House and Senate versions of a bill, S.F. 3575 and H.F. 3947, to ban gruesome, brutal, inhumane, and dangerous late-term saline abortions. The baby’s skin is burned and scalded away by injected saline solution as the infant thrashes in agony for one to three hours, typically, then the mother delivers a shriveled and scarred dead baby. Some mothers have been injured or killed by botched saline abortions. Some of the post-viable babies survive somehow, however, with permanent medical complications, such as pro-lifer Gianna Jessen.
    Where’s our Kansas saline abortion ban bill?
    - – -

    5 years ago today, the U.S. Senate voted 64-33 to ban partial birth abortions, which made Hog Futures Hillary and Obamanation very unhappy.

  192. fleettwood
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    More from the new democrat party of bitching about too much spending.

    “The nonbinding plan envisions a balanced budget in four years and promises generous increases for many domestic programs, but achieves those goals only by assuming major tax increases when Bush’s tax cuts expire.”

  193. Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Ummmm Parkey?? 5 years ago, Obama was not yet a member of the U. S. Senate!! Better do your homework better, dim wit

  194. fleettwood
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    That doesn’t mean he wasn’t happy about it.

  195. Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    I think Parkay needs to show a link that shows Obama and Clinton favor partial birth abortions… since most of what Parkay says turns out to be FALSE misinformation…

  196. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    And you can bet, OR put those baby parts in there themselves. Amazes me how they offer to buy body parts.

  197. Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Abortion is legal… If you dont believe in abortion, by all means, dont have one!!

    5-speed automobiles with 260 horsepower engines are legal… But if you are 85 years old, and have glaucoma, and your hands are shaky, and you only have one leg, by all means, dont try to drive one!!

  198. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Actually Chas, you’re the one that needs to make the link about Clinton’s and Obama’s view on partial birth abortions.

    You’re the one that says it is false.

    Prove it.

  199. Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Parkay claimed it… He needs to prove his own allegation…

  200. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Parkay already did his homework and stated his view.

    It is up to you Chas to prove it false.

    or said in the vernacular, “Put up or Shut up.” :)

  201. Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    The disagreement from the Pro-choice folks would seem to revolve around this:

    “partial birth abortion” is NOT a medical term – it is a made up term. that’s why we don’t use it – it doesn’t actually MEAN anything in terms of medicine.”

  202. Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    James, as hard as it is for you to understand, YOU do not make the rules… I say Parkay needs to support his own claim… just as he would be required if he were writing a paper…

    He just presents mis-information… I dont know that there is an argument in favor of Hillary on this matter… But I DO know that if you want to make a claim on someone, you need to “put up or shut up” to use your words!

  203. Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Well, dinner time!! Bck later!!

  204. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Put up or shut up Chas, you made the assertion it was false.

    Prove it.

  205. outlander
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Chas: I would tend to agree. It sure as hell isn’t a “medical” procedure. Here’s the description.

    “This is like a breech delivery. The entire infant is delivered except the head. A scissors is jammed into the base of the skull. A tube is inserted into the skull, and the brain is sucked out. The now-dead infant is pulled out.”

    —————-
    Hope you weren’t getting ready to eat.

    How can we call ourselves civilized when we allow barbarism like this to be performed on the innocent.

  206. Hud
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    The medical term – dilation and evacuation (D&E) abortion

  207. fleettwood
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Of course Hillary voted for partial birth abortions.

    How could you doubt it?

    http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=V3241

  208. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Parkays posts here have no validity.

    He has never defended even one of them. Pure shoot and scoot.

    I think that’s because he knows if he ever engaged, he’d end up looking very badly.

  209. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    10/21/03 Hillary Clinton voted FOR Partial Birth Abortions

    http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463&type=category&category=2&go.x=12&go.y=16

    Obama was not in the US Senate then? Not much experience, course he’s only leading becasue he’s the Affirmative Action candidate.

    Some can’t get enough babies killed. We need to import some pregnant illegal Mexican immigrants. Oh, we already do that.

  210. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Hillary voted NO because the language of the bill did not protect the health of the mother… Obama didnt vote on it, because he was IN the Senate to vote… Obama’s vote on the bill, is therefore, moot!

  211. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    was = wasnt

  212. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Just so it’s clear what we are talking about.

    You sub humans who are FOR this procedure dare not look at this link. It’s not quite accurate, because sometimes the baby’s head is facing down instead of up, when the procedure is done.

    Hillary has a photo of this procedure on her wall beside her dining room table. She’s proud of this procedure.

    http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/PBA_Images_Heathers_Place.htm

  213. Hud
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Obama may not have been in the Senate but he will not vote against Partial Birth Abortions.

    MSNB’S 2008 Democratic Primary Presidential Debate Candidates
    Date: 04/26/2007

    “Senator Obama, on this same topic, what about your view on the decision on partial-birth abortion and your reaction to most of the public agreeing with the court’s holding?”


    “Now, when you describe a specific procedure that accounts for less than 1 percent of the abortions that take place, then naturally people get concerned and, I think, legitimately so.

    But the broader issue is, do women have the right to make these profoundly difficult decisions? And I trust them to do it.”

  214. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    The late term abortion thing is a pig in a poke anyway.

    No woman goes through several months of pregnancy and then changes her mind without a really good reason.

  215. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    To those science types who want MORE details on partial birth abortion procedures, go here:

    It’s just the extraction of cells, no big deal.

    http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/Haskellinstructional.pdf

    The surgical method described in this paper differs from classic D&E in that it
    does not rely upon dismemberment to remove the fetus. Nor are inductions or
    infusions used to expel the intact fetus.

    Rather, the surgeon grasps and removes the nearly intact fetus through an
    adequately dilated cervix. The author has coined the term Dilation and Extraction or
    D&X to distinguish it from dismembennent.type D&E’s.

    This procedure can be performed in a properly equipped physician’s office under local anesthesia. It can be used successfully in patients 20 to 26 weeks in pregnancy.

    The author has performed over 700 of these procedures with a low rate of
    complications.

  216. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    “If you haven’t been following the debate closely, it’s easy to walk away with the impression that the “delivery” is a nearly full-term birth, as the bill’s name implies. It’s easy to say yes when a pollster asks you whether you favor a “law to make it illegal to perform a specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of pregnancy known as ‘partial-birth abortion,’ except in cases necessary to save the life of the mother.” That’s the question the Gallup organization asked in January. Based on responses to that question, USA Today reports this morning that the poll “showed that 70% of Americans back the ban.”

    I’d like to know how many of the people who answered that question understood exactly what they were being asked about.”

    http://www.slate.com/id/2090201/

  217. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    If only JR’s mommy had the right to do this….

  218. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    “This procedure doesn’t take place anywhere near the appointed hour of birth. If you paid close attention to the Senate debate, you might have noticed the part where Santorum said the procedure was performed “at least 20 weeks, and in many cases, 21, 22, 23, 24 weeks [into pregnancy], and in rarer cases, beyond that.” He didn’t clarify how many of these abortions took place past the 20th week. A full-term pregnancy is 40 weeks. In 1992, the Supreme Court mentioned that viability could “sometimes” occur at 23 or 24 weeks. Santorum described a 1-pound fetus as “a fully formed baby,” noting that while it was only at 20 weeks gestation, it had a complete set of features and extremities. But according to the National Center for Health Statistics, the survival rate for babies born weighing 500 grams or less—that’s 1 pound, 1 ounce or less—is 14 percent.”

    http://www.slate.com/id/2090201/

  219. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    All that said, I personally believe thisis a procedure that should be used if there is a DIRECT and IMMINENT threat to the life of the Mother…

    Nuff said

  220. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Addition… IF AND ONLY IF there is a direct and imminent threat to the life of the mother…

  221. Kansas
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink
    If only JR’s mommy had the right to do this….

    Max’s mother did and look what we got!

  222. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Say, who’s obituary can we highlight this evening!

    Who’s turn is it to pick one?

    Are there obituaries for aborted babies?

  223. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    ROFL Kansas :-|

  224. LR
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    “Hillary has a photo of this procedure on her wall beside her dining room table. She’s proud of this procedure.”

    you should be castrated you piece of slime —-

  225. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    If you haven’t seen it, it is worth checking out the show “Lil bush” tonight at 9:30 on Comedy central.

    The animated show presents bush as a youngster. He is surrounded by lil Rummy, lil Cheney (whose dad is Darth Vader) and lil Condi who is hopelessly in love with lil george. And there is the occasional appearance of lil Laura, who never has anything to say. lil john McCain was given some aggessive interogation by lil Cheney and lil Rummy and reduced to being able to only stammer “I support george bush and his policies.”

    Art imitates life.

    Lil Jeb is presented as a bumbling moron and Barabara Bush is a reanimated corpse with George Washington’s head.

    It is hilarious stuff.

  226. Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Well, it isnt an obituary, but a most interesting story >>>>

    http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/340538.html

  227. Max
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    America’s Daily Organ Donor Contest:

    $10,000 for 1st Place
    $5,000 for 2nd Place
    $1,000 for 3rd Place

    (Aborted babies not eligible)

    Waiting for the nomiinations…..

    Submit all entries to Chas.

  228. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    rah rah-rah love cheney- Rah-rah rah.

  229. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Stop baiting Chas, Max(JM). Please go crawl back into your mommy.

  230. Nathan
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Political Mama,

    It is so easy to bait Chas, we would practically have to stop posting at all for him to not come swimming full speed like a Great White to a wounded seal…

  231. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Lil george: “Well what er yer plans for the weekend lil Rummy?”

    Lil Rummy: “Usually my dad chains me to the radiator and throws beer cans at me.”

  232. Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    “Those Detention Centers: They’re Real
    The internet has been abuzz with rumors for years that the government is building ominous detention centers, while at the same time the Bush Administration has quietly passed legislation that would allow the president to have dictatorial powers, should he ever wish to use them.

    Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of “an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”

    Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees. According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens” and “potential terrorists.”

    Much of this is understandable, but not that strange phrase, “the rapid development of new programs.”

    If we are giving the government such broad powers, we have a right to expect an explanation of how they might be used.

    What “new programs,” and why would “rapid development” call for detention centers?

    There are, of course, no answers on offer, and there are unlikely to be any.”

    http://www.unknowncountry.com

  233. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Lil Condi “but he always does that, that’s nothing new Silly”

  234. Kansas
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    At least Max isn’t crying tonight about having to support the troops with his taxes.

    Scum baby Max hates America but doesn’t have the balls to move to another country.

    He’s really a whiny diaper poop!

  235. Regular
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Kansas = yet another nic switching Radical Left Lib Troll.

  236. Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    And one of the Blog’s all time nic switchers registers a complaint!! Too funny!!

  237. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Heh

    I like the time lil george was busy with his new pal lil Tony Blair.

    The rest of the gang got bored after 10 minutes and went looking for a new leader.
    They ended up helping lil Barack build a house.

    It was for habitat for humanity. The lil Republicans had other ideas….

    Lil Rummy: Are we gonna burn it down for insurance and collect the money?

    lil Barack:”No!”

    lil Cheney:” rah Rah rah rah?”

    lil Barack”No it’s not a secret dungeon where we’ll force single mothers to fight to the death!”

  238. Kansas
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Did the grand ol poop stain lie again…oh my gosh…lying poop stain Regular is at it again!

  239. Hud
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    And one of the Blog’s all time flamers, flames again. Too funny!!

  240. Nathan
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    To most normal people, Lil Bush is funny.

    To a few of you left wing liberals here, it is actually what you believe.

  241. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny because it is so reflective of the truth.

  242. Political_mama
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Rah rah-rah rah rah rah brainwashed rah.

  243. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Lil Jeb was hard to figure. He’s ACTUALLY the smartest one of the bunch. I couldn’t figure out where they were going presenting him as they did. But they tied it up nicely.

  244. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    I think they will change how they were presenting lil Hillary. They had that one wrong.

    It’ll be interesting to see if they introduce other lil characters.

    Imagine lil Ron Paul!

  245. J R
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Lil Rummy: “Our fireworks aren’t strong enough to blow up a cat! Trust me, I’ve tried.”

  246. RD
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Phantom,

    Stick with XP if at all possible. Vista came on my new computer. I’d go through the pain and time of copying and wiping if I knew my XP Pro disk was still good. There are some good things about Vista, but the cons outweigh the pros. One of those is trying to figure out where the H they put everything! The other is my computer “running” at odd times, and I have no clue why it sounds like a jet gearing up to take off.

    Strange that a Vista disk was included with my computer purchase. Were they expecting trouble?

  247. Door King
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Chas., who doesn’t like porn, posts link to sodomy with dog story. Who was the victim, chas, yourself?

  248. Posted March 13, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a story that might make you want to pucker up…..

    “Dollar losing clout around the world – Even in South America workers prefer euros, other local currencies”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23616851/

    Great.

  249. parkay
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    “This decision marks a dramatic departure from four decades of Supreme Court rulings that upheld a woman’s right to choose and recognized the importance of women’s health. Today’s decision blatantly defies the Court’s recent decision in 2000 striking down a state partial-birth abortion law because of its failure to provide an exception for the health of the mother. As the Supreme Court recognized in Roe v. Wade in 1973, this issue is complex and highly personal; the rights and lives of women must be taken into account.
    It is precisely this erosion of our constitutional rights that I warned against when I opposed the nominations of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito.”
    . . . Hog Futures Hillary, bewailing the U.S. Supreme Court’s upholding of the federal ban on partial birth abortions, April, 2007
    - – -

    “I strongly disagree with today’s Supreme Court ruling, which dramatically departs from previous precedents safeguarding the health of pregnant women. As Justice Ginsburg emphasized in her dissenting opinion, this ruling signals an alarming willingness on the part of the conservative majority to disregard its prior rulings respecting a woman’s medical concerns and the very personal decisions between a doctor and patient.
    I am extremely concerned that this ruling will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman’s right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade, which is established federal law and a matter of equal rights for women.”
    . . . Obamanation, bewailing the U.S. Supreme Court’s upholding of the federal ban on partial birth abortions, April, 2007
    - – -

    See news page
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/apr/07041902.html
    and page
    4simpsons.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/barack-obama-pro-partial-birth-abortion-among-other-things/
    and page
    mydryfly.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/obama-and-live-birth-abortion/
    and page
    atlanticfreepress.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=3063
    and page
    http://www.nysun.com/article/69700
    - – -

    Both Hog Futures Hillary and Obamanation support taxpayer-funded abortions worldwide, and are recognized puppets of Planned Parenthood. Obamanation lobbied for continued live-birth abortions in Chicago’s Christ Hospital when he was in the Illinois state Senate in 2001 and 2002, voting against Illinois’ Born Alive Infants Protection Act, and Hog Futures Hillary criticized his ploy, as connived with Planned Parenthood, to evade guilt by sometimes voting “present” to kill the pro-life bill through a lack of YES votes. At least Hog Futures Hillary joined the unanimous U.S. Senate in 2002 to pass the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, no doubt fearing political disaster if her vote were the only baby-hating NAY. Obamanation, the farthest left baby-hater the U.S. Senate has ever seen, would likely have been that only NAY, given the chance.
    Nearly half of American black babies are killed in abortion mills. Those that are not suffer an appallingly high rate of premature birth, cerebral palsy, and infant mortality, 3-4 times that of white babies, because of the scarring of black mothers by previous abortions. Planned Parenthood, as always, continues to target the black race for population reduction.
    Obamanation is the Judas goat of the black race.

  250. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    No Doork… the DOG… the poor defenseless DOG that was raped against its will!! And now the freakin pervert will be sentenced, and I hope they give him whatever is maximum!!

  251. Posted March 13, 2008 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Well, its late, and Fridays are busy days…

    Good night; Good luck; God bless,
    Whatever you conceive God to be!!

    Blessings All!!

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