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Where are all the stories that pertain too us, the tax paying citizens, when it is not an Election year?? The Representatives seem too represent their personal opinion and refuse too include the people they are suppose to represent. They dont ask us anything. They vote and decide their views and then state “it is what we wanted”. I hope my fellow citizens decide to put people in the House and Senate this year that communicate with us, BEFORE”, they vote or decide what we want. Ask us, then vote/decide for us. They refuse to use their ears. They only see personal agenda and chant, “You voted for me”. Vote them out, Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com
To pick up from yesterday’s open thread about Obama’s Senate record for writing laws….
++++++++++++++++++
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included
1. Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 – became law,
2. Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, – became law,
3. Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
4. 2007 Government Ethics Bill, became law,
5. Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.
Here’s the link to read it for yourself…
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message509824/pg1
The numbers quoted by :: include his 8 years in the Illinois State Senate, which is not the same thing.
Well, yesterday’s election to fill Dennis Hastert’s vacated House seat (and a large, large seat to fill it is) doesn’t appear to have gone so well for the NRCC: they spent over half their available funds ($1.2), and their guy Oberweis lost a reliably Republican seat, Illinois’ 14 Congressional District, by four points.
Gotta love how Rep Tom Cole (R-OK) and his boys at the NRCC tried to spin it, though:
“The one thing 2008 has shown is that one election in one state does not prove a trend. In fact, there has been no national trend this entire election season. The presidential election is evidence of that. The Democratic candidates are trading election victories from week to week and the nomination could hinge on a few news cycles. The one message coming out of 2008 so far is that what happens today is not a bellwether of what happens this fall.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
Oh, really, Tom Cole? Because there IS a trend we’ve seen in every single state primary and caucus to date: record high turnouts among Democrats, and much, much lower rates of turnout among Republicans.
It doesn’t matter which Democratic candidate wins the nomination: John McCain is losing come November. His only real constituency, the press, seems to have gotten the memo on his intemperance and lack of self control, as well as the more mundane sorts of influence peddling. No, the only real questions are, by what margin the Democrat beats the Republican, and whether the victor’s coattails are sufficient to deliver large enough Congressional majorities that can silence Republican obstruction.
If THAT happens, we could see some major course correction, both domestically and in our disastrous, hapless foreign policy.
And on the subject of course correction, Senator Obama told a crowd in Wyoming that “he would restore respect for law in the White House by reviewing every executive order issued by President Bush and discarding any deemed unconstitutional.”
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_8498322
Imagine that: a President who doesn’t try to usurp the powers of the Congress and Supreme Court. Who ever heard of such a thing!
Obama like Hillary will promise you the moon for your vote. Talk is cheap.
“he would restore respect for law in the White House by reviewing every executive order issued by President Bush and discarding any deemed unconstitutional.”
1. Since when has a President been allowed to issue Executive Orders which are unconstitutional?
2. If an Executive Order is unconstitutional should not Congress do something about it now?
AmWay,
Talk is cheap–indeed, as George Bush has shown.
Until you can demonstrate that Obama–or Hillary, for that matter–is as apt to deliberately lie and mislead as is George W. Bush, they will continue to receive the benefit of the doubt from me, thanks. And whichever one of them gets to be the next occupant of the Oval Office, you may be sure that if they DON’T do as they now say they will, I’ll make just as many phone calls to the White House switchboard as I currently do.
As for proof that George Bush is a serial liar, the latest in a long line of evidence comes from the new book from Doug Feith (noted by as “the dumbest f*cking guy on the planet” by General Tommy Franks, Ret). If I may be forgiven a cut and paste from Digby,
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“‘Among the disclosures made by Feith in “War and Decision,” scheduled for release next month by HarperCollins, is Bush’s declaration, at a Dec. 18, 2002, National Security Council meeting, that “war is inevitable.” The statement came weeks before U.N. weapons inspectors reported their initial findings on Iraq and months before Bush delivered an ultimatum to Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. Feith, who says he took notes at the meeting, registered it as a “momentous comment.”
Oh boy. I sense another round of hissing and spitting among the ex-Bush advisors don’t you?
If that last is true, the Codpiece went out and lied repeatedly after he made that momentous statement. Why just a few days later, he said this:
“Again, I hope this Iraq situation will be resolved peacefully. One of my New Year’s resolutions is to work to deal with these situations in a way so that they’re resolved peacefully. But thus far, it appears that, first look, that Saddam Hussein hasn’t heard the message.”
And a few days after that there was this:
“Q If we do have to go to war and –
THE PRESIDENT: With which country?
Q With Iraq. And if — and with our economy stagnating, what makes you confident that we can afford –
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, you know, I’m hopeful we won’t have to go war, and let’s leave it at that.”
So, AmWay, given the lies, deception, and cover-up we’ve seen these last eight years, and given the lack of interest among our DC elites and media lackeys, I suspect that the arrival of a new DEMOCRATIC President will inspire official Washington DC to rediscover its ardent desire for the truth.
re hud:
1. Since George Bush got into office
2. YES
“So, AmWay, given the lies, deception, and cover-up we’ve seen these last eight years,”
How is that any different from the Clinton 8 years?
The man lied under OATH and was caught (I’d say with his pants down).
Bush is an angel in comparison to the first Hillary/Bill Clinton years.
Too bad you have nothing. Or else your democrats in Congress FAILED to enforce the laws you think Bush broke.
Zip. Nada. Zero.
Hud,
Misleading questions on your part. Presidents aren’t ALLOWED to issue such orders, but the present occupant of the White House has done so on numerous occasions.
-”A Los Angeles federal judge has ruled that key portions of a presidential order blocking financial assistance to terrorist groups are unconstitutional, further complicating the Bush administration’s attempts to defend its aggressive anti-terrorism tactics in federal courts.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112801438.html
There’s lots one could say as well about the use of Presidential ’signing statements’ to invalidate the terms of legislation passed by Congress, as well as the claim that the President has sole jurisdiction over the interpretation of the Constitution.
As for your second question, here’s a bit of Wikipedia:
“Congress may overturn an executive order by passing legislation in conflict with it or by refusing to approve funding to enforce it. In the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the super majority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism. [2]”
So, de facto, Hud, no: if a President is determined to use the power of the Executive in a specific way under the auspices of an Executive order, and has enough support in Congress, then he or she cannot be held to account under Constitutional principles.
Amway, you’re an idiot. Only republicans would consider lying about a blow job worse than lying to get us into war, crapping on the constitution, and spying on the American people.
and that’s a very short list of Bush’s bad qualities.
Of course, unless it’s the republican getting the bj, then it’s high fives…unless it came from another man.
I can see why you like Bush so much, AmWay.
You pretend to be an “independent” but then defend to the death every boneheaded decision and outright lie with the logical fallacy “you do it too.”
Two wrongs never did make a right yet.
As for me, I am an unapologetic liberal–actually “activist leftist” is closer to it.
So Bill Clinton is no friend of mine. He was as many have said, “the best Republican President we’ve ever had.”
But that’s a damn sight better than
Worst.
President.
Ever.
AmWay,
Jump sharks much?
I guess starting wars based on lies and causing the death of a million people, allowing the destruction and then the ethnic cleansing of a major American city, using the Justice Department to illegally prosecute and then jail political enemies, and wiretapping American citizens prior to 9-11 don’t amount to a hill of beans. Cum-stains on a dress, though–now THAT’s a big deal to AmWay.
Forgive me if I fail to take you very seriously, AmWay–your ‘nyah nyah nyah’ regarding George Bush’s ability to get away with mass murder doesn’t enhance my estimation of your moral or ethical sensibilities.
political mom,
“Unless it came from another man”–HA HA HA HA HA!
Yawn…..
“can see why you like Bush so much, AmWay.”
Come on Capn, you know I have posted many times my displeasure with Bush. I shouldn’t have to qualify every post with that.
You all have an irrational hate for Bush, that is fine. But remember there are those who feel similiarly about the Clinton’s and that is only fair. You guys go overboard, so I respond likewise.
Like I said, talk is cheap. The two democratic candidates are appealing to your anger/hate. Obama even commented on it (regarding Hillaryspeak).
They have promised you more free stuff, without any money to pay for all the programs.
At least I have been willing to post negatives about Republicans, and accept their shortcomings.
AmWay,
So pointing out that George Bush lied, repeatedly, in the run-up to the Iraq War, and pointing out that he instituted domestic wiretapping PRIOR to 9/11 amounts to “irrational hatred” of Bush. Riiiiiiiight.
Refer to my decision, above, not to take you seriously. AmWay.
Of course, just four years ago Obama admitted to his lack of experience.
It’s on you tube, look it up. :D
Bush is listening in on CF2K’s phone conversation as we speak, because he thinks he’s hiding WMD. :D
Political Mom, your post provided nothing factual, just hate. But it wasn’t about the BJ.
That’s what some of you don’t understand. Integrity used to mean something. Apparently, for you it only means something, when republicans are concerned.
“1. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil case when he denied a sexual affair, a sexual relationship, or sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.
2. President Clinton lied under oath to the grand jury about his sexual relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.
3. In his civil deposition, to support his false statement about the sexual relationship, President Clinton also lied under oath about being alone with Ms. Lewinsky and about the many gifts exchanged between Ms. Lewinsky and him.
4. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition about his discussions with Ms. Lewinsky concerning her involvement in the Jones case.
5. During the Jones case, the President obstructed justice and had an understanding with Ms. Lewinsky to jointly conceal the truth about their relationship by concealing gifts subpoenaed by Ms. Jones’s attorneys.
6. During the Jones case, the President obstructed justice and had an understanding with Ms. Lewinsky to jointly conceal the truth of their relationship from the judicial process by a scheme that included the following means: (i) Both the President and Ms. Lewinsky understood that they would lie under oath in the Jones case about their sexual relationship; (ii) the President suggested to Ms. Lewinsky that she prepare an affidavit that, for the President’s purposes, would memorialize her testimony under oath and could be used to prevent questioning of both of them about their relationship; (iii) Ms. Lewinsky signed and filed the false affidavit; (iv) the President used Ms. Lewinsky’s false affidavit at his deposition in an attempt to head off questions about Ms. Lewinsky; and (v) when that failed, the President lied under oath at his civil deposition about the relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.
7. President Clinton endeavored to obstruct justice by helping Ms. Lewinsky obtain a job in New York at a time when she would have been a witness harmful to him were she to tell the truth in the Jones case.
8. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition about his discussions with Vernon Jordan concerning Ms. Lewinsky’s involvement in the Jones case.
9. The President improperly tampered with a potential witness by attempting to corruptly influence the testimony of his personal secretary, Betty Currie, in the days after his civil deposition.
10. President Clinton endeavored to obstruct justice during the grand jury investigation by refusing to testify for seven months and lying to senior White House aides with knowledge that they would relay the President’s false statements to the grand jury — and did thereby deceive, obstruct, and impede the grand jury.
11. President Clinton abused his constitutional authority by (i) lying to the public and the Congress in January 1998 about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky; (ii) promising at that time to cooperate fully with the grand jury investigation; (iii) later refusing six invitations to testify voluntarily to the grand jury; (iv) invoking Executive Privilege; (v) lying to the grand jury in August 1998; and (vi) lying again to the public and Congress on August 17, 1998 — all as part of an effort to hinder, impede, and deflect possible inquiry by the Congress of the United States.”
“So pointing out that George Bush lied, repeatedly, in the run-up to the Iraq War, and pointing out that he instituted domestic wiretapping PRIOR to 9/11.”
You can “point out” all you want. Where were your democrats in Congress throughout all this? No impeachment hearings?
I guess not: The majority of democrats signed and voted to go to war – and allow federal wire tapping (spying on Americans).
Where is your outrage at democrats?
Anyone wonder what happened with the New Hampshire vote recount. Kinda odd that it fell off the news the same day it started. Hundreds of boxes of ballots showed up that were obviously tampered with. No chain of custody. And no news stories.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
1. Since when has a President been allowed to issue Executive Orders which are unconstitutional?
Since the Supreme Court became packed with the vice president’s hunting buddies?
Vote fraud.
http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/5511
Good news from China. They are Pro Choice there, at least for cats:
Report: Shocking Death Camps for Cats Result of Beijing Olympics Clean-Up
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336276,00.html
Thousands of pet cats in Beijing are being killed in secretive government pounds to prepare the Chinese capital for the Olympic Games, it is being reported.
According to the U.K’s Daily Mail newspaper, hundreds of abandoned cats are being rounded up and sent to what some animal welfare groups describe as death camps.
Terrified cat owners started dumping their pets after the Beijing government recently warned that cats carry diseases, and that — according to Chinese officials — they contributed to the deadly respiratory SARS outbreak, according to the Mail.
Residents have become so afraid of the animals, it is reported, that six stray cats — including two pregnant females — were beaten to death with sticks at a Beijing kindergarten by teachers who feared the felines might make the children sick.
Some 500,000 cats are believed to have been culled as part of an overall crackdown by communist leaders to clean up Beijing ahead of the Summer Olympics. The extreme measures have provoked anger among some animal rights groups, who say a similar strategy was used to round up stray dogs across the country.
Finnish computer security expert Harri Hursti, featured in the Emmy-nominated film Hacking Democracy, explains to the NH State Legislature how his hack and studies by the University of California expose the vulnerabilities of NH’s Diebold optical scanners. With these machines counting 81% of NH votes, how does the State justify not banning them immediately? Hursti testified in September 2007.
No word yet of any action from the State.
http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/5297
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
ITA-approved voting machines have lost thousands of votes. In Carteret County, NC, vot-
ing machines irretrievably lost 4,400 votes during the 2004 election. The votes were never
recovered2. In 2002, vote-counting software in Broward County, Florida, initially mis-tallied
thousands of votes, due to flaws in handling more than 32,000 votes; fortunately, alert election
officials noticed the problem and were able to work around the flaws in the machines. In 2004,
the same problem happened again in Broward County, changing the outcome on one state
proposition3 4, and in Orange County5. In Tarrant County, Texas, an ITA-approved voting
system counted 100,000 votes that were never cast by voters.
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/papers/testimony-house06.pdf
The ITAs are paid by the vendors whose systems they are evaluating. Thus, the ITAs are
subject to conflicts of interest that raise questions about their ability to effectively safeguard
the public interest.
• The process lacks transparency, rendering effective public oversight difficult or impossible.
ITA reports are proprietary—they are considered the property of the vendor—and not open
to public inspection. Also, if a voting system fails the ITA’s tests, that fact is revealed only
to the manufacturer of that voting system. In one widely publicized incident, one Secretary
of State asked an ITA whether it had approved a particular voting system submitted to the
ITA. The ITA refused to comply: it declined to discuss its tests with anyone other than the
voting system manufacturer, citing its policy of confidentiality18.
2
In addition, the secretive nature of the elections industry prevents independent security ex-
perts from performing their own analysis of the system. Technical information about voting
systems is often considered proprietary and secret by vendors, and voting system source code
is generally not available to independent experts. In the rare cases where independent ex-
perts have been able to gain access to source code, they have discovered reliability and security
problems.
Great point AmWay.
If Bush LIED about the war and supposedly broken all kinds of laws regarding wire-tapping and internal spying, then the Democrats are completely incompetent in FAILING TO IMPEACH BUSH!
IF Bush did 1/4 of the things the Dems accuse him of, why didn’t the Dems IMPEECH BUSH ALREADY?
The Answer of course, is that the Dems GOT NOTHING! No evidence at all. Just lies defaming the President of the United States.
Democrats are like children crying, screeming (and now with Hillary – Screeching!) because they don’t always get their way. Yet they do nothing productive and nothing positive for America.
Good whiners though.
That’s a good point Max. But society needs a way to allow whiners to vent. Without it, the frustration leads to higher urban crime, divorce, and social misconduct.
That’s why we have sports and blogs. It allows whiners to work off their frustration, without causing harm to others.
If the Democrats would have had free public pre-school, they wouldn’t whine so much.
Darn incompetent parents.
I guess voter fraud only matters if you don’t win:
Meanwhile, Clinton lawyer Lyn Utrecht alleged that Hillaryland has received hundreds of complaints from supporters, many of whom she said have not been able to get through to a state Democratic Party hotline because it is “jammed.” “We’ve identified witnesses and spoken to them,” Utrecht said. “There are numerous locations across the state where Obama supporters have taken over caucuses and locked out Clinton supporters … We have lawyers all across the state observing all of this.” Utrecht refused to rule out a lawsuit or promise that Clinton would concede Texas if she loses. “All options are open at this point,” she said when asked about the possibility of legal action.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/118854?from=rss
March 4, 2008, 9:58 pm
Clinton Camp’s Conference-Call Surprise
Elizabeth Holmes reports on the presidential race.
As caucuses around Texas began Tuesday evening, Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign convened a last-minute conference call with reporters to hurl allegations of wrongdoings by supporters of Sen. Barack Obama.
The campaign’s accusations were two-pronged. They said Obama supporters took the packets designated for precinct captains earlier than allowed and had the sign-up sheets at the polling places. They also accused Obama supporters of locking out Clinton supporters from the caucuses.
“It’s really disturbing and undemocratic what’s going on,” said Ace Smith, the Clinton campaign’s Texas state director.” WSJ
More of the same in Ohio:
“In a stunning, and perhaps partisan, act of election administration oddness, Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner exploited a good independent study of voting machine vulnerabilities (the (EVEREST study) to install mitigations that don’t actually match the report’s findings. Among these “mitigations”: reduction of the number of polling places, and introduction of a high-risk central count model in Cuyahoga County.
Central count systems do not count ballots at the polling places, but instead transport all ballots to a central location for counting. The transportation phase is perhaps the single riskiest phase in the entire election, especially when there is no record of the count BEFORE the ballots are transported.
Absentee voting, ballot transport, and central count systems are traditional strongholds for the Democratic party machine’s election tampering, hence the raised eyebrow regarding whether there is a partisan flavor to Democrat Jennifer Brunner’s unusual actions.”
http://blackboxvoting.org/
This HAS to be the action of those dirty republicans again.
Clinton’s one of the biggest whiners, now that she’s losing.
Can you believe Clinton had the nerve to say that she would accept Obama as her VP running mate!?!
How can you Democrats tolerate this?
Paypal has frozen the fundraising account of the Granny Warriors, a Ron Paul supporters group who had been pushing for a recount in New Hampshire, causing a 3pm Tuesday deadline to be missed and the application rejected for lack of payment.
The Granny Warriors had raised the necessary $55,600 deposit for the recount but at the last minute before it was transferred to the New Hampshire Secretary of State, Paypal blocked access to the funds.
No explanation has been forthcoming from Paypal as to why the corporation froze the account.
“Emergency efforts by our folks on the scene in New Hampshire to push the recount through the Secretary’s office were not successful and a lot of frustration has been expressed on both sides as a result,” writes a recount volunteer.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/011608_paypal_freezes.htm
The only right way to handle Florida and Michigan is to have a complete re-vote.
If ya can’t get it right the first time, do it again.
Obama’s name wasn’t even on the MI ballot! How can you give MI to Clinton? CHEATERS!
This suggested mail-in campaign would be a total fiasco with massive voter fraud. Can you imagine how many little Hillary workers would be stuffing thousands of letters with fraudulent ballots?
However, the taxpayers should not have to pay for another election just because the Democrats couldn’t get their act together.
The Democrat party should have to pay for it. THEY screwed it up!
Bottom Line:
Hillary Clinton WILL STEAL THE NOMINATION!!!
Koolaid drinkers will line up and vote for her anyway, in November.
slurp, slurp
PS. Nice try Obama! You can be Hillary’s running mate! Whoooooooopppppppeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
Strange things in our drinking water. This is just a few cited in the article:
“Anti-epileptic and anti-anxiety medications were detected in a portion of the treated drinking water for 18.5 million people in Southern California.
_Researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey analyzed a Passaic Valley Water Commission drinking water treatment plant, which serves 850,000 people in Northern New Jersey, and found a metabolized angina medicine and the mood-stabilizing carbamazepine in drinking water.
_A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco’s drinking water.” Foxnews.
Isn’t the SFRAN finding a little odd?
“IF Bush did 1/4 of the things the Dems accuse him of, why didn’t the Dems IMPEECH BUSH ALREADY?”
Math.
The Republicans impeached Clinton KNOWING that they did not have the votes to convict, but they did it anyway. Clinton, by the way, had an approval rating of 67% on the day he was impeached.
The Democrats realize that they do not have the votes to convict Bush, so there is no point in impeachment. The Senate is evenly divided – Lieberman being a DINO, so there is no possibility of gaining the 67 votes required for conviction.
Where is the government!?!? Are these children, and adults victims of an education system that lacked pre-school? This is ripe for government regulation. We need warning labels on sandboxes:
“EVERETT, Wash. — A 10-year-old Everett area boy is listed in critical condition at Children’s Hospital in Seattle after being buried in a sandbox by his playmates.
The boy has been identified by his family as Cody Porter.
His half brother, 30-year-old Joshua Quantrille, says Cody was playing with Quantrille’s three sons and several other children on Saturday in the back yard of a home belonging to a family friend.
There is a sandbox in the back yard, and Quantrille says his children told him Cody came up with the idea that they should bury him, head first, in the sand.
Quantrille says the children came up with the idea from a cartoon they watch on television.
Quantrille says Cody was buried about from his head to his chest. At some point, he began thrashing around, but the children apparently thought he was playing.
Eventually they figured out that something was wrong. They pulled Cody out and called the adults inside the home, who administered CPR until an aid car arrived.
Snohomish County Sheriff’s deputies interviewed the five children who were in the sandbox with Cody. None of them were detained or taken into custody.” Foxnews
The gubermint must do somfin.
“Clinton, by the way, had an approval rating of 67% on the day he was impeached.”
Indicating what? Maybe that it is okay for a Democrat to lie.
No conviction no wrongdoing.
Still got nothin’
Dear Fascist,
Looks like your fascist leader Bush has set up a driftnet that basically spies on everybody, all the time.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/todays_must_read_292.php
I suspect that when President Hillary Clinton takes office, you’ll be screaming like a stuck pig fascist. Right now, not so much.
Maybe the sex hormones in the San Fran drinking water is causing something there?
Political_mama
Posted March 10, 2008 at 7:36 am | Permalink
Amway, you’re an idiot. Only republicans would consider lying about a blow job worse than lying to get us into war, crapping on the constitution, and spying on the American people.
and that’s a very short list of Bush’s bad qualities.
Of course, unless it’s the republican getting the bj, then it’s high fives…unless it came from another man.
Exactly Pmom. I would have laughed at Amway’s comment if I hadn’t known he was serious. It floors me that the Bushites can compare lying about a bj and a neverending war, and come to the conclusion that the bj is worse. Unbelievable. It’s people like that with whom you can’t even have an intelligent debate with, since their thinking is so irrational and flawed!
Lotsa whining noises on this blog.
You Democrats need some Ex-Lax.
“Indicating what? Maybe that it is okay for a Democrat to lie.”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………….. only about 39% of Americans are Democrats, the rest, about 37% are Republicans and independents, 24%.
Clinton’s approval rating was bipartisan, unlike Bush’s 19% which is exclusively Republican.
Max,
It is more likely the people of SanFran are the cause. The drinking water is the effect. Unfortunately, it’s another stunning example of government failure to disclose or investigate.
If the government cannot provide clean drinking water, how the heck will they ever manage healthcare?
And drinking water is fundamental. Sheep have to drink.
Most Republicans are just jealous that Clinton got his “head” for free – they have to pay for theirs.
The real reason why the DNC is going to allow Clinton to steal the nomination is they are truly afraid a black man cannot be elected President.
The DNC looks down on the black man so much, they are willing to help Clinton cheat in order to get Clinton nominated.
It’s an easy decision for the DNC. They will sacrifice the black vote to get the white vote, and the hispanic vote – cause the hispanics have more numbers and are their population is increasing the fastest.
The DNC didn’t really CARE about the blacks anyway. Look at how their social programs keeps them in poverty for generation after generation.
Amway – As WSC pointed out, Clinton wasn’t convicted. And of course, they had to hold an impeachment hearing after spending millions of tax dollars on the witch hunt. After all the time and money spent, they impeached without conviction. Kind of like the resolutions the Dems have passed about the war, worthless.
AmWay, ya gotta see this movie: Idiocracy.
http://www.moviecynics.com/item/841
Since the Government can no longer provide safe drinking water, they will now fill all of the water towers with a special kool-aide. This miracle kool-aide will also be used to irrigate crops.
It’s people like that with whom you can’t even have an intelligent debate with, since their thinking is so irrational and flawed!
I don’t even try anymore, TDT. Not even worth reading their posts. I generally read posts, then when I think, “Who could possibly be so short-sighted and ignorant using such convoluted non-logic in a feeble attempt to validate their stand?” do I check the author. Now I check author and just skip over many. Unfortunately, I end up catching a bit of the ends of their posts when returning to a previous tab.
“The president will give his full-throated endorsement to Senator McCain.” — Dana Perino
Could have been phrased better.
WSClark
Posted March 10, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
“’The president will give his full-throated endorsement to Senator McCain.’ — Dana Perino
“Could have been phrased better.”
Actually, not.
Things are really looking up for the Grand Old Party! The dems aren’t even capable of running a primary in two states!
Their top two candidates are conducting themselves like adolescent school children. If Obama doesn’t watch out while he’s hoping for change the Hildebeast will steal the nomination.
When you’re lower’n whale shit, everything’s looking up.
There! I’ve resorted to the Republican way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/world/middleeast/11iraq.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Five American Soldiers killed in Baghdad today.
That makes the total 3985. Only fifteen more to go before the 19th of March, and it’ll be 4,000 dead in five years.
And the Democrats are perched on the edge of their seats, watching CNN waiting for the magic number 4,000 so they can celebrate.
And the Dems keep voting to fund the war…..
SSDD
Capn it almost sounds like you are looking forward to it.
ghoti, we miss you when you are not here.
Still waiting for those tax forms Hillary:
Since 1984, only one major-party presidential candidate — Bill Clinton in 1992 — has refused to release the tax forms he sent to the Internal Revenue Service.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3165953&page=1
White House Refuses to Release Pictures. White House Seizes and Hides Pictures of Drug Smuggler With Clintons
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/CAB/document-10.23.1996.5.html
Hillary, running on her record of as First Lady, refuses to release those records.
Hillary Clinton refuses to demand National Archives release documents. Source: NYT (10-31-07)
hnn.us/roundup/entries/44273.html
CIA Refuses to Release Documents on Corrupt Deals involving President Clinton.
archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/16/173247.shtml
1998 Clinton refuses to tell the truth and accept responsibility for his own actions
http://www.garymcleod.org/1/ConstitutionSoc/release.htm
Six Front Runners including Sens. Hillary Clinton refuse to release their tax records
fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/five-of-six-front-runners-refuse-to-release-tax-returns/
Clinton Refuses Subpoena For Material on Clemency 1999 NY Times
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0DE2DE123CF934A2575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military. (just for fun)
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/29325.html
Saw this one and saved it for links.
But I believe we are still waiting…..
And waiting…….
Of course Capn “Never served one minute in the military)America is looking forward to more deaths of U.S. Military.
People of his ilk (radical leftist Libs) love to trample the graves of military men and women to score political ideological points.
In that regard, they are no better than Fred Phelps and his protesting lunatic mob at military funerals. In fact, they are worse, because they keep revisiting the same statistics and repeating the same ghoulish mantra.
ghoti, we miss you when you are not here
KFG, I get frustrated with inanity so easily. I’ve lurked a time or two and realize much of this is like Days of Our Lives from the 60s (last time I stooped to watching it LOL) when the Horton family took 6 years to figure their ‘Nam MIA son, Peter, was actually living in their house as a border. Same twits using the same idiotic logic and name calling just to say, “I’m great and you ain’t squat!”.
I do miss many of the rest of you guys though. BTW, How’s wheat?
AmWay,
Read minds much? You’d have to, to be able to impute to the Cap’N what you impute to him.
Amway, do you believe that anyone who breaks the law should pay the penalty of such law?
Here kitty kitty…..
The Epicycles of Global Warming
How good are the assumptions in these models? Well consider the fate of Ferenc M. Miskolczi (pronounced Ferens MISkolshee), a first-rate Hungarian mathematician, who has published a proof that “greenhouse warming” may be mathematically impossible. His proof involves long equations, but the bottom line is that the warming models assume that the atmosphere is infinitely thick. Why? Because it simplifies the math. If on the other hand, you assume the atmosphere is about 100 km thick (about 65 miles) — which has the big advantage of being true — the greenhouse effect disappears! No more global warming.
Miskolczi once worked for NASA, but resigned in disgust when they would not allow him to publish his work. (It appeared in the peer-reviewed Hungarian journal Weather, and looks legit). So it’s the global warming faithful of NASA Goddard Space Center, notably True Believer Godfather James Hansen — who are always complaining to the media about Bush Administration censorship — but who have ended up censoring their own scientific skeptic. Cosmic justice for NASA, you might say.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_epicycles_of_global_warmin.html
Does anyone else have the entire first right letter cut off of the display? Makes it awfull hard to read the posts.
“When this farce is finally exposed, heads must roll. Not for being wrong about the global warming hoax, because anybody can be wrong — but for politicizing normal scientific debate. Politicized science kills science. This is one festering boil that has to be lanced. “
We have a similarity, Heckler, in the systematic silencing of scientists who are dare question Darwinism. That is also about to hit the light of day.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58119
Not I, PoliMom. The posts have about 3″ margin to the left and a 4″ margin to the right (if I understood your question a-right). Could someone’ve fudged your monitor settings?
Personally, I agree with Frank Tippler’s view from the 70s that the existence of God is totally dependant on the total matter of the universe.
Then again, Velikovsky is Da Man!
In 1982, People magazine erroneously declared him dead. Vigoda took the error with good humor, posing for a photograph showing him sitting up in a coffin, holding the magazine in question
hadda google him. doesn’t list a death, so I guess he’s still kickin’
oops, wrong tab–belay that.
Darn. It’s official. It is now a sin to be rich.
“The Vatican has brought up to date the traditional seven deadly sins by adding seven modern mortal sins it claims are becoming prevalent in what it calls an era of “unstoppable globalisation”.
Those newly risking eternal punishment include drug pushers, the obscenely wealthy,” BBC
What a sad day.
Amway
From Boortz
The Vatican has gone to meddling again. They’ve decided that the original seven deadly sins just aren’t enough. We need some new ones. So here you go, but first, a review. For those of you who don’t remember the original seven, here you go, courtesy of Pope Gregory back there in the 6th Century.
Pride Broken on the wheel
Envy Put in freezing water
Gluttony Forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes
Lust Smothered in fire and brimstone
Anger Dismembered alive
Greed Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
Sloth Thrown in snake pits
Hold on a minute! What are those phrases after the sins? Why those are the punishments originally established by the Catholic Church for transgressors.
Moving right along to the new magnificent seven!
Genetic experimentation
Tampering with the order of nature
Pollution
Social injustice
Causing poverty
Accumulating excessive wealth
Drug abuse
Now you know. Adjust your behavior accordingly.
Yeah .. right.
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
For over 30 years I’ve said there is only one commandment–thou shalt not steal. Went to see G. Carlin last time he was in town and when he started cutting the 10 down, my wife started slapping me saying, “that’s what you always say!”.
(My version has Moses coming down from the mountain saying, “God gave me the ONE COMMANDMENT”. Then Aaron moseys up to him saying, “Three days on the mountain for one stinkin’ commandment??? No wonder the sheep are bow-legged”)
“Social Injustice”
JR will be hailing the Catholic church any minute…..
As will Cosmos.
Hmmm, maybe some suggested punishments for the Vatican? :D
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Heckler
Posted March 10, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Moving right along to the new magnificent seven!
Genetic experimentation – Daily extraction of bone marrow via a highly pressurized milking machine
Tampering with the order of nature – Having to live in a fire ant colony coated with honey.
Pollution> – Permanent assignment to the toliet cleaning crew in the house of the Perpetual Bolemic
Social injustice – Placed in an eight by eight cell with a rabid wolverine and a seeping leg wound
Causing poverty -Permanent access to an endless supply of paper money,that spontaneously combusts when touched, looked at or thought about
Accumulating excessive wealth – Sent to a Martian Outpost with no means or method to spend the wealth.
Drug abuse – Suffering permanent withdrawal symptoms while living in the House of Placebo.
Now you know. Adjust your behavior accordingly.
Yeah .. right.
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
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Heckler posted March 10, 2008 at 11:36 am
“ … — the greenhouse effect disappears!”
Heckler, dress warmly if you go outside — the Earth just cooled by about 60 degrees F.!
Not to mention large swings between day and night temperatures.
As for crimes committed by the President of the United States, he can not be charged unless impeached first. He is above the law in that respect, but once out of office he is open to all civil and criminal charges that are warranted. It could be a combination of things, in a impeachment there would have to be a trial by Congress and a majority to convict. If the majority is in question it would be foolhardy to have an impeachment. Simpler to block his actions until the President is out of office and than open to criminal charges. Also as we have seen with the Congress’s indictments of two Bush staff members and the refusal of the DOJ to follow through. in contempt of Congress. To bring these charges against President Bush and seek criminal actions would be pointless. After Bush is out of office look to see him charges with many crimes. Clinton did lie under oath and that was the grounds for the impeachment, not the BJ.
Well, if you’re going to pick and choose your religious beliefs to live by, why will this matter either?
We all know that baptists seem to capitalize on the poor especially, perhaps that’s why the Catholic church is trying to stop that from happening to their ranks.
There is nothing more disgusting to me than flaunting wealth. And baptists are the WORST.
Perpetual Bolemic
did you mean bUlimic, or Polemic?
Yeah, ‘bulimic’ that finger down the throat thing. :D
LOL, PoliMom, you’ve not been to my wife’s baptist church. they’re poor as church mice.
(yeah, my wife’s a fundamentalist, and I’m anti-religion. But we get along great. She says I’m one of the most religious persons that she knows. I just don’t need a book)
that finger down the throat thing.
I coulda read it either way and it still woulda made sense.
Were these hate crimes? If 2 black women were killed by white men, would it be a hate crime?
2 College Women Murdered. Too bad they were not prepared to defend themselves. Stuff like this doesn’t happen here.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/03/06/students-at-unc-and-auburn-killed-in-shootings.html
Students at UNC and Auburn Killed in Shootings
March 06, 2008 05:08 PM ET | Alison Go | Permanent Link
The University of North Carolina student body president was found dead early Wednesday morning, while police at Auburn University are investigating a student’s Tuesday murder just outside of campus. Authorities do not think the two murders are connected. Eve Carson, a senior at UNC from Athens, Ga., apparently was shot multiple times around 5 a.m. Wednesday, the Daily Tar Heel reports. Her body was left in the middle of an intersection about a mile away from her home. Police have no suspects in the case and are still looking for her blue 2005 Toyota Highlander, which they believe was stolen during the attack.
At Auburn, freshman Lauren Burk, 18, of Marietta, Ga., was found shot along a highway 5 miles north of campus around 9 p.m. Tuesday, the Auburn Plainsman reports. She was transported to a local hospital, where she was pronounced dead from a single gunshot wound. Soon after finding her body, Auburn police also discovered her car set afire back on campus.
There goes the Fascist again, using the freshly killed bodies of young women to make his point about…what, precisely? Oh, yeah–that he’s the victim of reserve discrimination.
Amway you never answered my question, should all people who break the law suffer the consequences?
Phantom,
If you are out there lurking or whatever, a little something to think about. I appreciate his comments on the Fed and the government being misled (perhaps) by concentrating only on “core inflation”, especially in light of the cost of food and energy now being governed by different dynamics and demand (for the latter) that in the 1970s. Historical note: at an inflation rate of 4.3%, Pres. Nixon tried wage and price controls, a wrong answer then as well as it would be now. Inflation rate now: 4.3%, and, due to the actions of the Fed, IMHO, just going higher for the foreseeable future.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120511152715823437.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
So New York Governor Elliott Spitzer is going to resign. Involvement in a prostitute ring.
And so it goes.
As for Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D-NY) and his forthcoming admission of having used prostitutes, well, remember: you heard it from CF2K first. Not that I’m claiming to be bipartisan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?hp
At least he isn’t accused of paying to have prostitutes defecate on him, as was the case with Senator David Vitter (R-LA).
Damn, outlander–beat me to it!
Brilliant defense! Brilliant!
I was waiting for the “victimless crime” defense from the Dems.
Culture of Democrat Corruption Continues…….
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CF2K
Posted March 10, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
At least he isn’t accused of paying to have prostitutes defecate on him, as was the case with Senator David Vitter (R-LA).
Max, you can talk about the victim-ful crimes of halliburton&subsidies, Titan, CACI, Blackwater and all those others getting the free gov’t handouts on their corporate welfare. BTW, just how many starving kids can you feed with haliburton’s 4 billion dollars of killing truckers driving empty loads through battle zones and poisoning our troops with unprocessed water?
Spitzer is resigning…Vitter is still in office.
Who is the party of hypocritical corruption?
I love this website that gives you objective information about the political candidates.
Not a victimless crime for his wife and three daughters.
http://votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=2298
Governor Eliot Spitzer (NY)
Current Office: Governor
First Elected: 11/07/2006
Last Elected: 11/07/2006
Resigned in Disgrace: 3/10/2008
Next Election: Never
Party: Democratic
Gender: Male
Family: Wife: Silda Wall
3 Children, Elyssa, Sarabeth, Jenna.
Birth Date: 06/10/1959
Birthplace: Bronx, NY
Home City: Manhattan, NY
Religion:
Education:
JD, Harvard Law School, 1984
BA, Princeton University, 1981.
Professional Experience:
Assistant District Attorney, Manhattan, New York, 1986-1992
Partner, Constantine & Partners
Former Editor, Harvard Law Review
Associate, Paul Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton, and Garrison
Attorney, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher and Flom
Clerk, United States District Court Judge Robert W. Sweet.
License Plate Stamper.
Political Experience:
Butt Boy New York State Pen
Governor, State of New York, 2006-2008
Attorney General, State of New York, 1998-2006.
Organizations:
Co-Founder, Children for Children Foundation, 1996.
Spitzer was another one of those nasty rich Democrats:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336509,00.html
Eliot Laurence Spitzer was born in 1959 in New York.
• Described as the most feared man on Wall Street, Spitzer has made a name for himself as a crusader by fighting organized crime and political corruption. He has been dubbed the “sheriff” of Wall Street.
• When Spitzer successfully ran in the fall of 2002 for his second term as attorney general, he was 43 years old. That campaign, like his previous runs, was financed by a small personal fortune.
• The son of a Manhattan real estate developer, Spitzer grew up in Riverdale, N.Y., and attended an elite private school before heading to Princeton University.
• “He’s from a rich family,” pollster Maurice Carroll told U.S. Banker. “Good schools. A high-powered lawyer. He’s not going to be intimidated by some guy who sells stocks and bonds.”
• His parents, Anne and Bernard, were first-generation New Yorkers.
• After earning his law degree from Harvard, Spitzer practiced corporate law for a number of years.
Ah good, the Haliburton defense. Didn’t imagine you’d dream that up.
Why not the Nixon defense?
No accountability from Democrats.
Gotta blame somebody else ALL of the time!
Can’t you just admit Spitzer screwed up and get over it?
Nixon had no defense. An immensely intelligent person doing something so insanely stupid. He had the brains to do something really good with the world (unlike many of those who followed him for decades) and he threw it away.
At least the haliburton gambit has some substance to it. Now it’s your turn to tell us how bad sex is and the stoopid gummermint don’t let ya have enuff guns to kill them stinkin’ commies.
El-Keeta is behind you…run, hide, hoard!!!
Power Couples
Eliot Spitzer & Silda Wall
(Such a loving picture is here)
It’s 2:30, the photo shoot is ready to start, and Silda Wall is running a bit late. Eliot Spitzer is already at the midtown Manhattan studio, sporting an American flag lapel pin and the hyped-up expression of someone in the middle of a hectic day. Within moments, out comes the BlackBerry.
“Where are you? . . . Okay. Love you.”
She arrives a few minutes later, as her husband is suffering through a quick session with the makeup artist. A coat of lip gloss is going on; Wall seems amused.
“There are two things I hate in politics,” Spitzer says as they settle in. “Raising money and posing for pictures.” Wall would probably agree with the first point; she was reportedly not happy when an October fundraiser fell on their 19th wedding anniversary.
As for his second claim, they are remarkably relaxed subjects. He shares news from the campaign trail; she straightens his lapel; they chat with the photographer about his baby daughter.
Wall would probably agree with the first point; she was reportedly not happy when an October fundraiser fell on their 19th wedding anniversary. As for his second claim, they are remarkably relaxed subjects. He shares news from the campaign trail; she straightens his lapel; they chat with the photographer about his baby daughter.
Since becoming New York’s attorney general in 1998, Spitzer has cultivated a reputation as a bull in a china shop—he is the “sheriff of Wall Street,” all sharp elbows and strident intelligence. But to say that Wall softens his image would be to ignore the crackling energy between them. They met during law school, and she pursued a fast-track career (in mergers and acquisitions at Skadden, Arps, then in international transactions at Chase Manhattan) before deciding to stay home with their three daughters. A native of North Carolina, she campaigned vigorously for her husband and, Spitzer has said, is sure to be one of his closest advisers in Albany.
On the trail, Wall, who speaks with a subtle drawl, reminded voters that Spitzer is also a family man who likes to grill on weekends, wear sneakers, and watch NASCAR.
In 1996, in response to what they saw as excessive spending on children’s birthday parties in their social circle, the couple started a nonprofit, Children for Children, which promotes more volunteerism and less self-indulgence in youth.
Asked if she and her husband take time together, just the two of them, Wall laughs. “With three kids and two dogs at the ages they are—the ages they all are—and our careers and community engagement, it’s hard to say that we do.” They devote their free time to their daughters, Elyssa, 16, Sarabeth, 14, and Jenna, 12. On Election Day, they set aside the afternoon for Jenna’s soccer match.
After Spitzer takes office, they plan to divide their time between Albany and Manhattan. The girls will continue to attend Horace Mann, and to be the center of their parents’ lives.
http://www.02138mag.com/lists/PC/1105.html
I wonder if the timing is right for Hillary to take the NY Governor job?
Good idea Max, if can’t be Queen of the Kingdom, she might as well be the Princess of the Province. :D
I think she’s qualified to be Governor, isn’t she?
“No accountability from Democrats.
“Gotta blame somebody else ALL of the time!
“Can’t you just admit Spitzer screwed up and get over it?”
I am looking on this thread and don’t see anyone defending Eliot Spitzer.
Max, you talking to yourself?
Keep it up. You are exactly the sort of individual who turns off the foul weather voters in this country.
As for discussions as to which party has the slimiest candidate who got caught doing something wrong.
Waste of time.
“Defense contractor Blackwater, which drew criticism last fall for the conduct of some of its contractors in Iraq, was today accused of tax evasion, illicit contracts and labor abuses.”
http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080310/REG/205693408/1036
linda, it doesn’t matter. Just more excuse to take food outta starving babies mouths. they obviously own stock. Even ole Eb Scrooge finally found a heart.
Fascist,
Can’t you just admit that Vitter screwed up, and “get over it?” More to the point, did anybody NOT say that Governor Spitzer patronized prostitutes?
So, let’s review Fascist and his views:
Republicans who pay to have prostitutes shit on them: OK, get to keep their offices.
Democrats who pay prostitutes to have sex with them: not OK, have to leave their offices.
Spitzer complaint details:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20080310spitzer-complaint.pdf
I wonder if Silda, Elyssa, Sarabeth, and Jenna have read this yet?
Victimless crime.
A whistleblower lawsuit claims that Planned Parenthood overcharged Californicatia taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars on birth control, then fired an abortion mill whistleblower. P. Victor Gonzalez, the whistleblower who was the vice president of finance and administration for Planned Parenthood of Los Angles, says his own internal audit estimates that Planned Parenthood overcharged California taxpayers for purchasing birth control by at least $180 million, in a 6-year criminal plot beginning in the late 1990s. A 2003 state audit found at least $5.2 million in overbilling in 2003 alone from just one of the nine California Planned Parenthood affiliates. The 3-year-old lawsuit was unsealed last week following a prolonged review by the U.S. attorney’s office.
Planned Parenthood bought contraceptives and other medicines at deeply discounted rates because of their status as a charity, then billed the state Medi-Cal program for 12 or more times their purchase price. Both state and federal law explicitly forbid such over-billing.
Other irregularities include sneaking payments out for lobbying and advocacy, posting political signs in violation of IRS policy, misuse of grants and donations, doctored financial projections in applying for a state-financed loan, falsified monthly reports to budget and finance committee, and various credit card abuses, including using a corporate American Express card for Victoria’s Secret and private video purchases.
Since Planned Parenthood is a nationwide chain of abortion mills, enforcing nationwide policies, we may well suppose that Kansas and Missouri taxpayers are getting bilked and defrauded, as well.
We await the media silence and political cover-ups.
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The number of British post-20-week abortions has increased by 44% during the last 10 years, to nearly 3000 in 2006, mostly elective abortions, 25% of them to prevent the birth of a possibly disabled baby by contract killing. Ann Furedi, the chief executive of the pro-abortion British Pregnancy Advisory Service, said this is not a problem, that these mothers are better off with a dead baby.
Y’know Max, for 20 bucks and a stroll down S. broadway you wouldn’t be so obsessed with other people getting some.
I wouldn’t know Ghoti. Never had to pay for it.
What time is it anyway?
Say Eagle – turn your clocks forward 1 hour!
Never HAD to either, but for 50 cents in Rota, Spain, it was just to good to pass up.
BTW, 50 cents in Rota a few days before military payday got you the high class stuff.
More interesting than the Fascist’s glee at getting to wax self-righteously is the fact that apparently, Spitzer was caught in a wiretapped domestic telephone call by a Federal agency. Given the Justice Department’s railroading of Gov. Don Siegelman, let’s just say one begins to wonder why no REPUBLICAN heads are rolling in the current investigation.
Parkay, EVERY taxpayer dollar charged by Planned (Abortions) Parenthood is a dollar overcharged.
You Pro-Abortion people should pay for your own abortions.
It’s bad enough you have to kill your own kids, but you make all the taxpayers pay for your murder fees!
I bet those abortion “doctors” go home feeling really truly proud of themselves. Wonder if they wash the blood off their hands before or after they go home?
“Say honey I’m home! Busy day at the office today. Set a record, 25 culled in one day! Had to buy 3 extra garbage cans. What’s for dinner?”
So Max when are you going to start insisting on vitter’s resignation? I don’t see anyone defending Spitzer.
As far as Parkay, remember, all of his alleged statements have always been proven false in a court of law or grand jury.
Max asks, “Can’t you just admit Spitzer screwed up and get over it?”
Okay, Spitzer screwed up.
I’ll ask for his resignation if you ask for diaper-boy Vitter’s and toe-tapping Larry Craig’s.
Max writes, And the Democrats are perched on the edge of their seats, watching CNN waiting for the magic number 4,000 so they can celebrate.
While the CONs just tee up for another 18 holes pretending like nobody is dying for the oil they squander in their Hummers.
I won’t be celebrating the 4,000th American death in Iraq.
I’ll be protesting it, like every decent Son of Liberty should do . . .
Larry Craig proved that if you just wait long enough, and for the American people that is about 8 seconds, people will forget anything.
Max, Max, who the heck are you talking to?? the woodwork?? My my what an obsessive bunch of rants!!
No kidding, J R.
How is this guy still in the Senate?
And how does anybody shake hands with him without wearing disposible plastic gloves . . .
You are dead wrong nickel… The figures I quoted yesterday are from the Senate Record, and cover Obama’s SENATE time since January, 2005, just as posted yesterday… Why dont you people learn to READ??
I mean, nickel, the constant LYING of you people is getting really old!! The 2004 swift-boating style is not going to work for you all this time around!!
And from the looks of things here, seems like even Max’s buddies are tired of him ranting at thin air!
Wait a second hold the boat. MSNBC is reporting that it was the result of a wiretap that this information came to light.
WHO is wiretapping the Gov of New York, and IF it was a national security deal they aren’t SUPPPOSED to be worried about small crime stuff like this.
Since prostitutes were involved, maybe it was an “underwire” tap.
(chortles)
What is it that Spitzer is supposed to have done?
Shame, Spitzed did some good work. Vitter and Criag, not sure, never heard of them before they got caught.
Hey, ::
If they could read, they wouldn’t be RepubliCONs.
VT, good article. I think by food and energy not being in the inflation measure they are saying that these expenses are only significant to the middle and lower class and thereby not important. Also, it is a way for the Admin. to tout their management of the economy, and its low inflation rate.
No wonder Bill has stayed in New York – Spitze was supplementing his herd of fillies. :D
Yea, you got a point there, CapN!! LOL
Hi Chas, I mean :: :D
Let’s see, that news story is worth another look. :)
Spitzer to Resign Following Reports of ‘Involvement’ With Prostitution Ring
Monday, March 10, 2008
Fox News
New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer is expected to submit his resignation to the New York General Assembly Monday night after allegations surfaced earlier in the day that he is “Client 9,” named in a federal prostitution case.
Regular shows paranoia again :-)
Regular says: “Hi Chas, I mean :: ”
How long you going to keep up your fantasy world, Regular? Huh?
CYA later Chas/Sugar/: :
I have to take this starchy collar off, tired of playing E-Priest.
(chortles)
A few moments ago I watched the effect of the Revolution on the Senate as I watched Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma was dressing down the other Senators. He addressed both sides of the aisle for wasteful spending, caring more about their person gain and best interest rather then that of the people and the nation.
Condemning them for their over abundance of earmarks instead of being stewards of the people’s money.
That every year there are over 350 billions in waste that could be addressed. AND HERE IT COMES, he stated he was going to be the Senate’s “Dr. NO” and of course we all know to whom he is inferring! Thank you Dr. Paul, not just “WE THE PEOPLE” have been listening it would seem.
Regular believes that nobody can accuse him of using any other Nics. So, instead, he accuses others of doing what he says he doesnt do. Real smart there, Regular! Really takes brains to do to others what you dont want done to you!
You have a unique writing style Chas : :
:)
VT, as I recall, Nixon was very concerned because there was wage pressure being exerted on the economy. And, to show where his concern was placed, he froze wages some time before he froze prices.
In the current environment wage pressure is minimal due to outsourcing, so not that big of concern to the Admin.
3am cartoon
http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/mikeluckovich;_ylt=AhH8YedUPI9EVCetf.ZyeetQ_b4F
writerdog
Posted March 10, 2008 at 5:39 pm | Permalink
A few moments ago I watched the effect of the Revolution on the Senate as I watched Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma was dressing down the other Senators.<<
Just political theater writerdog.
From a somewhat reputable Blog Site >>>>
Harassing other users.
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Posting comments that contain profanity or hateful and/or threatening language.
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Regular
Posted March 10, 2008 at 5:41 pm | Permalink
You have a unique writing style Chas : :
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Regular is known to LIE constantly about other users.
Did I flame you : : by calling you Chas?
What shall I call you?
fourdot or perhaps a made up French name Fordot?
2colons?
four eyes?
Chas is just so much easier to spell.
Sorry if you think Chas is a flame word. :)
Mr. Brownlee should be most interested in your constant Flaming, Regular. I am not Chas. I do not know Chas, except that Chas is a poster on the Blog. So, Stop Flaming and Lying, Regular, or whatever your name is this week.
If you insist on having a Name to call me, you may call me Square Peg.
(chortles)
I also know that Chas. is a long time clergy person in the City, and has been such for nearly 30 years. However, I do not know him personally. And you are extremely rude to him, Regular. You and a host of your small minded little friends who seem to have nothing better to do than attack other users of this Blog, as if you think you own it.
Thats all I have to say on the matter. I will continue to post here with my own Nic. And every time you try to call me something other than my posted Nic, I will call you a blatant Liar. Which is what you are when you do so.
Regular HATES nic switching, nic stealing, flaming, profanity, false accusations, personal attacks, using fake nics to compliment one’s self, trashing talking, ad hominems, accusations of immoral behavior, whining, crying, bitching and moaning.
Unless, he is the one guilty of the above.
In those cases, it’s all okay.
So, Regular, Chortle all you want. It does not change Who you are in the least. Merely underscores the extent of your personal lack of credibility. Now, this thread was actually in the process of some good discussion, until you so rudely interrupted by Flaming and Name calling.
I do hope you are happy now. Flamer!
That would surely seem to be true, WSClark.
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Posted March 10, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I am not Chas. I do not know Chas, I do not know Chas, except that Chas is a poster on the Blog.
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Posted March 10, 2008 at 6:13 pm | Permalink
I also know that Chas. is a long time clergy person in the City, and has been such for nearly 30 years.
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(chortles)
Regular, have you been caught having sex with your horse lately?
You find something amusing about that Regular? I find your stupidity much less than amusing, Troll.
Now, now, Mr. Clark. Let’s not stoop tosuch levels, no matter how tempting it might be.
From what I read on the Blog, Regular, Chas being a clergy person for nearly 30 years, is a lot longer than you have been a disabled cripple.
Hands :: a bigger shovel…
(chortles)
Thank you very much. You are leaving a lot of bovine excrement on the Blog, that needs cleaned up. A bigger shovel will definitely help, since you seem incapable of doing the job yourself.
Is it time for the blog to degenerate into “What’s my Line?”
Phenomenal! What are the chances that two posters use variation of Bovine excretia references! (hair stands on end)
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Chas.
Posted March 9, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink
Maybe there could be a few million mental lobotomies performed…. SHOW the idiots that they are full of bovine fecal material… I mean actually PROVE it to them — Too bad more of the DNC cant seem to help out with that project…
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Posted March 10, 2008 at 6:24 pm | Permalink
Thank you very much. You are leaving a lot of bovine excrement on the Blog, that needs cleaned up. A bigger shovel will definitely help, since you seem incapable of doing the job yourself.
(chortles)
Regular would appear to have a strange fetish for BS — Only idiots would take notice of two different phrases, posted by two totally different posters! Go back to your bridge, idiot Troll! You are wasting discussion space on the Blog!
LOL?
Troll?
Now where have I heard that before?
phantom, perhaps if more posters were to register complaints with the Editors about the constant disruptive activities of Regular, this kind of thing could be avoided.
squirmy squirmy
wiggle wiggle
It seems that Spitzer has not yet officially resigned as NY governor. He should just throw in the towel, so the State can move on.
Wel, well, the Troll brigade begins to arrive. It must be close to sundown, when they are allowed to come out from under their bridges.
I am headed off for dinner. The Blog has degenrated into “all about Regular”, all day, all the time — You all have fun!
KCdude, it could be lately I have seen such claims and down dressings and they are usually late in the day.
But the thing is, they are Republicans saying them and they are also addressing Republicans too in their speeches. At times it would seem that all Republicans have sold their souls to the Neocons agenda. Forgetting the concept of limited government and fiscal responsibility. Giving lip service to the concepts while spending like drunken college freshman and installing even bigger and more intrusive Government.
It is encouraging to see that some are standing up for the American people and the Constitution.
Who WD?? and Where??
I am totally against earmarks (pork). In some ways it is just a form of bribery. Always have been, always will be. I am glad when anyone stands on the House floor and speaks out against this practice. But I wonder if the Republicans would be doing it if they hadn’t lost control.
:: the first one was “Mr. ROHRABACHER. Mr. Speaker, tonight I will discuss some serious examples of how this administration’s contemptuous disregard for the authority delegated to Congress by the Constitution has impacted on how we do business here in Washington. This bad attitude has consistently manifested itself in a sophomoric resentment of Congress’ constitutional role as an equal branch of government“. I have the entire speech on file and would post the addy except that it does not work after the search renews.
But I did post it to the message board, here is the link: http://forums.kansas.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-kansas_news&msg=14493.1&ctx=8192
Today it was Sen. Tom Coburn of OKLA, it takes a couple of days before the text of these speeches appear on the record. I will copy it as soon as it is recorded.
::=.=sugar=Chas=absurdity
KCdude, Coburn also sited that it was not only the Democrats that are guilty of pork and that even when the Republicans had control they were as guilty as any Democrats. He talked about how pork is used to buy votes from the voters and other Senators and Congressman. If you do not vote to allow someone pork then when you put some in it is thrown in your face that “since you did not support mine I will not support yours”. Coburn said it is their duty not just to stand against pork from other Senators regardless of the party. But also against pork put in by the President, they are the keepers of the purse and should act so. He said that because of the partisanship they have failed the trust put upon them by the people of the United States.
Tend to the nic switchers on your own side Hank.
That should keep you busy.
Yep totally absurd Hank! Youre too smart for that crap! At least you seem to be. Hank, surely you can understand why a business owner in the City would not want to be recognized on the Blog. You can call me Square Peg.
Now, enough with the stupid phony accusations. You have to be smarter than Regular! Thanks!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/11/AR2006021101024.html
George Wills take on Coburn.
BTW what is it about obstetricians? LOL
not likely
Chas = :: = Sugar.
It’s just obvious.
BTW, JR, what happened to the grand meet-up to call out the nic switchers and do something about it once for all, oh Great One? I remember something about that, somewhere . . .
Done and done GMC.
And on a thread you just blew up on.
GMC70
Posted March 10, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink
Chas = :: = Sugar.
It’s just obvious.
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There is only one thing that is obvious, GMC… You are a blatant LIAR…. Just another LIAR!! And you claims to be a prosecuting attorney??
GMC, You are DEAD WRONG!!! Why are you so stupid as to agree with Regular??
I guarantee you, I am NOT Square Peg, OR Sugar!! I have posted several times how I know who Sugar is… long story… As for Square Peg, obviously someone who knows who I am… and my professional credentials… But, I dont know who : : is, unless or until He/She should email me and tell me…
Now, I think this is quite enough of this utterly stupid nonsense!! OR, would you like me or others to constantly challenge you as to your claim to be a prosecutor???
But, for what purpose???
OMG too funny!
From “Family Guy”
“Sex turns straight people gay and gay people into Mexicans. Everyone goes down a notch.”
Hey Cosmos — IF you are around… I heard on the news this morning, that the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention have decided that their members should do all that they can, whatever it is, to alleviate the effects of Global Warming. They seem to think that HUMANS can do something to at least make a dent in the problem!!
Hang in there Cosmos… If the So. Baptists are getting on board, there is still hope for the rest of us!! LOL
Sorry, people this whole who’s who? thing is getting pretty boring. Those whom I disrespect, I scroll over, those whom I am interested in what they say, I read. I don’t care if they are sock puppets or not, whether they are different people or not, I know who to read. I also know who to laugh at and ridicule.
It is not so very difficult, you know?
JR — There used to be a Baptist Preacher in Hammond, IN, named Jack Hiles, who would preach to teen age boys, and tell them if they didnt stop growing their hair long, they would lose their male genitalia, and grow female parts…
Then he told the girls if they didnt stop wearing pants and jeans, and boys clothing, they would start growing male body parts!! This guy was for real!! I have tapes of his lunacy somewhere… packed away in storage…
I quite agree Steven Davis — Try being on the receiving end of the stupid accusations!!
That doesn’t surprise me at all Chas.
Southern Baptist Convention Resolution on Global Warming
Looks to be a hairy blanket that has gotten slightly moist. :)
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=1171
Regular, that link is to LAST year’s SBC resolution… What I heard this morning was just released in the past couple of days!!
Well, time for bed… Got morning appointments tomorrow…
Good night; Good luck; God bless;
Whatever you conceive God to be!
Blessings All!!
Sorry, Chas, you do get a lot of crap here.
But rest assured, if you were a dumbass, you get a lot less. Sort of an approach/avoidance thing, you know?
I suppose Steven… But it does get pretty darned old…
CapnAmerica
Posted March 10, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink
Max asks, “Can’t you just admit Spitzer screwed up and get over it?”
Okay, Spitzer screwed up.
I’ll ask for his resignation if you ask for diaper-boy Vitter’s and toe-tapping Larry Craig’s.
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Deal! Vitter and Craig should resign as well.
I hope all the incumbents get voted out, or what may be more likely, kicked out or forced to resign.
TERM LIMITS! Bring em on!
Senate 2 terms = 12 years
House 4 terms = 8 years
If they can’t get it done in 20 years, they need to move on. If they can get it done in 20 years, they need to move on. There’s always State Government for the good ones.
Chase,
I am sure it does. I am not trying to excuse the nonsense here – it is categorically pretty inexcusable – but you have to make peace with the crap in some way, or leave. I would like to see you continue to post.
Thanks and good night…
Thank you, Max.
Cons and libs agree–kick out the sleazy b@st@rds.
And term limits for all!
See this is what I like about the WE.
Writerdog, I checked Coburn’s record at:
http://senate.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tom_Coburn.htm#Gun_Control
and here:
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=22085
Nice conservative candidate. Solid conservative voting record.
He wasn’t just giving a speech when he was talking about fiscal responsibility in Congress. His voting record confirms he walks the walk.
It’s rare when a candidates voting record (what he or she has DONE) is consistent with what they SAY they have done or will do.
Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida
By Warren P. Strobel
WASHINGTON — An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion has found no evidence that Saddam Hussein’s regime had any operational links with Osama bin Laden’s al Qaida terrorist network.
The Pentagon-sponsored study, scheduled for release later this week, did confirm that Saddam’s regime provided some support to other terrorist groups, particularly in the Middle East, U.S. officials told McClatchy. However, his security services were directed primarily against Iraqi exiles, Shiite Muslims, Kurds and others he considered enemies of his regime.
The new study of the Iraqi regime’s archives found no documents indicating a “direct operational link” between Hussein’s Iraq and al Qaida before the invasion, according to a U.S. official familiar with the report.
He and others spoke to McClatchy on condition of anonymity because the study isn’t due to be shared with Congress and released before Wednesday.
“As for Square Peg, obviously someone who knows who I am… and my professional credentials… But, I dont know who : : is, unless or until He/She should email me and tell me…”
Yes, Square Peg knows you. :roll:
Question:
How is Square Peg going to email you when no emails are published here on this blog?
Makes for a nice excuse though…
(chortles)
Hey Capn?
You’re wrong about “Max”
“Max” is a puppet nic for James.
Still flaming it, eh James?? Just cant stand it to be WRONG, can you James?? The answer is quite simple, if you would read what has already been said… Obviiously Square Peg knows who I am — from another source… where he/she could easily have my email address… Thus, if he/she chooses to tell me who they are on the blog, then I will know… otherwise, I wont know… Really very simple — just use your brain, James!!
And just DROP IT!! Your Flaming is getting REALLY REALLY OLD!!!
Gosh JR, I was just going to compliment you on your Family Guy post above. I actually LOL.
That’s your best post in weeks.
Chas, it was time for bed at 10:12.
Bring back ::.
You know, :: posts several short rapid flaming posts in a row. Just like you Chas.
Uses the same vocabulary too.
Hmmmm…….
Where’s Sugar?
How about Sybil next?
I AM NOT CHAS!
JUST STOP YOUR LYING!
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Ok, sure ::.
You are not Chas.
Just keep repeating that to yourself.
JimmyMac,
You still have not posted the link for your source.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/beware-of-global-cooling-hype/#comment-309536
So we should assume that my link was the original source of your copy/paste post.
The invite is out “max”.
Let’s us you and me and James have ourselves a meeting.
Now I’ll only kick you wrist canes out from under you and make you cry a little.
Then I’ll do what I can to help you.
I want you and your many nics off this blog.
And did Heckler enjoy it being about 60 degrees F. colder outside, since Miskolczi proved that the “greenhouse effect disappear[ed]“?
Max
Posted March 10, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink
Ok, sure ::.
You are not Chas.
Just keep repeating that to yourself.
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Just knock off with your crap, Max… I am sickof it… and others are sick of this same old crap every damn day!! Just STFU if you dont have anything to say!! GOT IT?? A$$hole??? You arent funny!!!
This CRAP will be stopped!! One way or another, it WILL be stopped!!
Or, maybe Max is really Granny??? Since they both attack me and Sugar all the time!! LOLOL Yea, thats it…. Max is really Granny!! Both of them afraid of the nanny state… both afraid somebody will get their precious money!!! They just gotta be the same person!!! ROFL!!!
I couldn’t care less what you want JR. You want to control the blog, then BUY it!
On a more serious note not involving an attack of one blogger on another, here’s the link to the DOJ report on Spitzer. #9 is described starting on pg 34 of the PDF file.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/March08/emperorsclubcomplaintredacted.pdf
Chas, get help.
Huh “Max” that sounds like something “WS” said.
Game’s up James.
That post above at 10:43 is not MINE! It is some stupid, assinine imposter!! This ridiculous activity has been reported to the Editors of this Blog, and I am assured that certain changes will be forthcoming. Be fairly warned, all of you idiot Trolls. You wont have much other warning.
I am sick of this nonsense. This total waste of Blog space. This insane stupidity! It MUST stop, or this Blog will shut down!
And all of you phony posters know who you are.
You expect credibility, and you indulge in this stupid form of lunacy. Well, it will be coming to an end very soon! I dont pay good advertising dollars to the Eagle, to see this kind of nonsense from people like Max, and Regular/James/etal/ and others and watch them make a mockery out of what other posters post here, and a general mockery out of this Blog.
Enough is enough. Just STOP your lunacy!
“Done and Done?” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bull&$^#, JR. Let’s see specifics. Time, date, place. Right here, Right now. A self-important bluff is still a bluff.
Chas – If you say so. But it’s a remarkable coincidence. Ultimately, I don’t care. It’s just something to tweak you with. ;)
BTW – Check the students carry thread; I left something specifically for you. I think you need a serious education before you go spouting off on what you don’t understand.
Wow. :: you need help too.
Maybe you and Chas can go together.
Max. YOU are the LIAR here. Not me. YOU sir, appear to need all the help you can get! YOU make the false accusations. YOU LIE about my identity, and the identity of other posters. And then you say I need help?? All I want you to do is make some feeble attempt to act like a half way responsible adult. You want people to take your Anti-government crap seriously, and yet you pull THIS garbage??
Max.. if you cant post something worthwhile, just STFU!!! I am sick of it, and others are too. Just STOP!
Or perhaps your REAL goal is to get the Blog shut down? Is that it? Because you are darned close to it if you and your stupid little sock puppet friends dont stop with your garbage, day after day after day!!
YOU MAX… YOU need the help!! I am doing just fine!!
And here is GMC to embarrass himself.
I am just one. “JM” is many. I say “Max” is one of his.
And I did provide a meeting to prove me wrong.
You can come too GMC.
As soon as James/Max/etc etc gives me a time when he can get out of his sister’s basement.
Good post GMC over there. I saw it, but doubt it will sink-in much.
On another note, I heard the oral arguments will occur I think on 3/18 on the Supreme Court 2nd Amendment case.
I know it will take a few months to hear the ruling, but do we get any news about how the oral arguments?
GMC Why is it not a coincidence if multiples of right wingers post statements that are nearly carbon copies, but it IS a coincidence if left wingers post statements of similar content?? Get real. Geez!!
went.
And yes, I saw your opinion on the gun thread. I will not be put down because I do not care to own a gun. I dont like the possibilities. I still believe that any time you have guns involved, whether for good, or for ill, nothing good comes from it… people are shot… people die… That is not good for any concerned!
End of story!
Word up prosecutor?
You’re outta your league.
You have the full weight of the law on your side and how you choose to interpret it.
Your business prosecution, you are not good OR wise as to who you defend.
Max –
Orals in the Heller case are going to be released the same day as argument, an unusual step.
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/uncategorized/audiotape-of-gun-case-out-early/#comments
Enjoy. And this case may well be the most watched case in years. It really comes down to a fundamental question: Ultimately, is the constitution binding law which means what it says, or not? If SCOTUS says the answer is no, it’s not, I fear we have taken a large step toward hitting that reset button. I hope and pray not.
(chortles)
(puts on Charlie Daniels “In America”)
Ponders what happened to all those Liberal Patriots right after 911…
next up…
Country Joe MacDonald singing in Iraq to the troops, singing about their sacrifice and honor.
I’ve met you GMC.
And while I once said you could be the best voice for the right?
In person I found you a chubby, badly spoken, functionary.
It is my belief that we HAVE a SCOTUS to make interpretations of the meaning of the Constitution. It is unfortunate that the 2nd Amendment is worded in the ambiguous form that it is in, and has always been in. But, thats the way it was written. And now it is time for the SCOTUS to make an important decision that will effect many persons.
Chas again misrepresents another blogger. There is no put down for not owning a gun. Here is what GMC said:
GMC70
Posted March 10, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink
And to follow up what I wrote to Chas – I hope you understand there is not any difference in the law regarding use of deadly force in defense of self or others for a CC permit holder versus anyone else; there is no difference. The law on use of force is entirely the same, either way, CC holder or not. Thus I think Nathan is entirely correct when he writes that you mischaracterize the law – I’ll assume you do so out of ignorance of the law rather than a more nefarious purpose.
Out of my league? The laughts keep on coming, JR.
Chas –
It has nothing to do with whether you own a gun, or not. I don’t particularly care whether you do or not, as long as you permit me the same freedom. I simply want readers here to correctly understand the law regarding use of deadly force in defense of self or others, and you left, over the course of that thread, a badly distorted statement of that law. That’s not a matter of opinion, it simply is. If you don’t like the law, of course, you’re free to attempt to get it changed, but given that you claim to speak with the authority of an educated clergy, it is important to get it right.
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Posted March 10, 2008 at 10:50 pm | Permalink
The invite is out “max”.
Let’s us you and me and James have ourselves a meeting.
Now I’ll only kick you wrist canes out from under you and make you cry a little.
Then I’ll do what I can to help you.
I want you and your many nics off this blog.
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Here you go lindainks and RD.
There’s your lovable JR exposed.
heh heh
Kick my wrist canes out from under me? Not nice J R.
BTW, down to one cane now – progress, but list a bit to the left. :D
Thanks for SCOTUS info GMC. Great link too. I saved it for the audio feeds to be on the web.
Gosh, JR, I’m cut to the quick with your evaluation of me. I mean, you being the Blog King and all . . . HOW will I sleep tonight?????
Oh, just fine, I imagine.
I would be reminded here that even in the Old West, there were gun control regulations. “Leave your guns at the door” rules for saloons were common in many places in the Old West. Good thing there was no NRA back then. With the kind of world we live in now, which is MUCH different from the world of 1789, we need some forms of gun control. Anybody who wants to keep their freedom should know this, and respect this. Give police the kind of leverage they need to bust up Gang violence, and drug rings. Give them the tools they need to enforce laws, to keep cities safe from perpetrators who would otherwise run amok… not just with drugs, and other crime… but with the Law itself!
Regular,
There is no point to any dialogue with someone who would make fun of a disabled vet, and the comments he just made and has made before.
I’m hitting the sack.
I’m sorry if it hurts GMC.
I did meet you.
You are….well fed, not very interesting and short on commentary in an open forum.
Me too Max, as soon as this render stops in 1 hour 23 minutes…
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
or not…
Strange how the 10:43 post by :: says :: is not Chas.
Then the 11:03 post by :: says the 10:43 post by ::, is not actually by ::.
So….
Never mind.
Oh Max, do you remember telling about the bus loads of people you took to TX, to interfere in the TX primaries??
You should be expecting a visit from the “Men in Black” who will most likely want to ask you some questions about your activities while in TX. Just thought you might want to know that!!
Funny Chas. You were in Texas too. Maybe we were in the same voting line. And pulling the same Clinton lever too.
That’s generalities, Chas. Let’s get to specifics. Just what “gun controls” do yo propose? And just what “tools” do you propose that police ought to have they don’t have now?
And while the world is indeed somewhat different than in 1789, people are not; people NEVER change. The constitition is the same; if it is not, it is not a constitution at all, but just a “guideline” to be stretched and twisted as convenience dictates. A constitution limits government, or it should. If it can be stretched at will, what purpose does it serve in limiting the State?
And you still haven’t acknowledged your misinformation of the other night.
It should be obvious Max… Somebody stole : :’s Nic at 10:43 p.m. Happens a lot on this Blog with all the phony sock puppets you got running around here.
Just thought you might want to know that!!
Well thing is?
I don’t think “Regular” or “Max” or whatever he calls himself IS a disabled vet.
I did a search on his name and found nothing.
Given ample posted details from him, I found no proof of service, no link to DOD pension files, nothing.
Actually, I didn’t notice until you pointed it out Chas.
And even then, I didn’t notice it was different then any other post.
JR would be stalking at 11:39.
I met you as well, JR. How shall I say this – you are every bit as arrogant, pompous, and self-important in person as you portray yourself here. A little man with a big head and a big mouth.
How’s that? Wanna just shake hands now and go to neutral corners?
And if the Constitution from 1789 guaranteed an outhouse in every yard, I suppose you would be against indoor plumbing?? There werent Cryps and Bloods in 1789… There wasnt crack cocaine on the streets in 1789… I want the police to be able to go into an area of a major city, and confiscate any gun they find there… and I bet you would see the crime rate drop drastically. When the Constitution was originally written, Senators were chosen by State legislatures… They are elected today by the PEOPLE. That changed. And it didnt nullify the great document. When the Constitution was written, there were no term limits on the Presidency. That changed too. The document is still as great today as it was then. If gun control was instituted where needed now, it would not change the document now either. I believe it would make it STRONGER!! It means that WE THE PEOPLE can see the changes happening to us, and among us, and make the changes necessary to best meet the needs of a changing America. Now, that wasnt hard, was it??
BTW Chas, why do you think the 10:43 post is not ::? How would you know this?
I just went back and looked, and I cannot tell any difference?
Max, actually I didnt point it out. : : pointed out that his Nic had been stolen.
Gotta keep up now, Max…
Chas.
Posted March 10, 2008 at 11:44 pm | Permalink
And if the Constitution from 1789 guaranteed an outhouse in every yard, I suppose you would be against indoor plumbing?? There werent Cryps and Bloods in 1789… There wasnt crack cocaine on the streets in 1789… I want the police to be able to go into an area of a major city, and confiscate any gun they find there… and I bet you would see the crime rate drop drastically.
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THAR SHE BLOWS! Chas, you have violated The Brady rule #1 – do NOT admit you are for gun confiscation. You must incrementally pass laws to accomplish your end goal, but YOU MUST NEVER REVEAL YOUR END GOAL!
Chas wants the police to confiscate guns!
Oh, and btw, cocaine was legal until the early 1900’s.
MAX go look again… I didnt say it wasnt… Square Peg said it wasnt his/her post at 10:43… Are you purposely not reading here or what??
I didnt say Cocaine Max… I said CRACK Cocaine… Please try to read what I type for a change!! You and granny have a terribly bad habit of doing that!!
Now don’t look for me in you GMC.
I said gun confiscation in certain areas Max… not blanket confiscation… There you go again… not reading what is clearly posted!! And in plain sight!!
There were a lot of folks at that meetup GMC.
I happen to know that they did not find me any different from what they expected.
How did they find you?
DID they find you?
“Max” says he works 60 hours a week.
Damn I guess he must be on meth.
Naw, it’s James Mcluer.
JR — Max says lots of things… :-)
Found nothing on me eh J R?
Cool, it means that DOD and VA are protecting my identity from chumps like you. :)
Poor poor J R, the only power he possesses is being a nosy snoop – failed one at that.
(chortles)
Heh ok James.
The invitation to meet is still open. You call it.
Me I’m going to bed.
This looks interesting >>>>
McClure, Benjamin Harrison, 20, cherished son, brother and uncle, passed away Friday, March 6, 2008. Ben was born March 2, 1988 in Wichita, Kan. He was able to graduate in 2006 from Southeast High School while living on his own, and later moved on to work at Burlington Coat Factory and the Cracker Barrel. He was a passionate writer and pianist, and an advent student of yoga and meditation. Ben was known and loved by many and will be best remembered for his kind heart and giving nature. He was always quick to help a friend in need, even when he had very little himself to give. Even in his sudden death, there is comfort in knowing that his generous spirit lived on in the gift of organ donation. Through his passing he was able to give the most of himself by saving the lives of at least five different people. He is survived by his mother and stepfather, Angela and Stan Allenbach; his father, James McClure; sisters, Shelby Bais, Molly McClure, Anna McClure; his three nieces, Paige and Lynndon Bais, Nia McClure; grandfather, Glen McClure. Funeral sevices 10 a.m. Thursday, March 13, 2008, Biglow-Bethea Funeral Directors Chapel, 957 N. Oliver.
Blog didnt switch to DST yet??
“GMC70″ goes berserk with –
“It really comes down to a fundamental question: Ultimately, is the constitution binding law which means what it says, or not? If SCOTUS says the answer is no, it’s not, I fear we have taken a large step toward hitting that reset button….”
Consider for a moment just how insane you sound there, “GMC70.”
If the SCOTUS were to rule against your personal prejudice toward the 2nd Amendment, it’s time for revolution?!
I’m such a moderate when it comes to gun rights. I’ve been wanting a SCOTUS ruling on what the 2nd Amendment really means in the 21st Century for years.
I’d be just as happy if the SCOTUS went with Original Intent and declared the only right Americans have is to keep and bear a a smooth-bore, barrel-loaded flintlock musket as if they declared you and “Nathan” have the right to keep a thermo-nuclear device in your rumpus room. I just want to know what the law *is.*
I think it’s a states’ rights issue and not likely to automatically bestow ultimate weaponry to anyone who can park a Howitzer in their drive-way. But there are those words, “…shall not be infringed,” that the SCOTUS will have to deal with. According to black-letter law, *any* infringement of keeping and bearing arms is unconstitutional. My “Guns in Prison” post uses nothing but NRA boilerplate rhetoric to prove its constitutional case.
Whatever the SCOTUS decides on the current 2nd Amendment case, I’ll live with it. But you, “GMC70,” have declared if the decision goes against your prejudices, it’s time to hit the re-set button.
That’s pretty much unpatriotic in my book. And not just a little bit crazy.
Chas, Chas, Chas:
The changes you note (Presidential term limits, Senate election) were done by amendment, not by Court fiat. If you want to attempt to amend away the 2nd Am., go for it; I guarantee it will go nowhere.
You have heard of the 4th amendment, Chas? Or do you subscribe to the “area of a major city” (presumably inner city) exception to the 4th amendment? Funny, I haven’t found that one . . .
Don’t you think residents who live in inner cities are just as entitled to 4th amendment protections as the rest of us? And presumably these are high-crime areas; why would you deprive persons of the means of defending themselves just where they may need it most.
And finally, as Max notes, you agenda is showing . . .
Have you ever seen a body ripped apart by a semi-automatic gun in a drug deal gone sour?? It aint a pretty site…
And, ummmm GMC… I am NOT intimidated by your tough gun talk… I dont LIKE guns… I have never hidden that fact… And, yes, sir, I DO believe that the police have the right to cordon off an area, and go in and get all the guns they can grab… most likely many of them will be illegal and/or stolen anyway… So, there!! I think if you take that away from the police, you are putting their lives in worse danger than they are already in…
I dont much care if the Court rules on the Constitution, or if it is amended… it CAN be changed… And it SHOULD be changed when necessary, as I pointed out accurately above…
And if the SCOTUS doesnt rule the way you think they should on this issue, you will holler about activist judges, and then you will want other changes made… or, as you said earlier, you will want to hit the re-set button… in other words, you will want to go against the Court ruling!!
Me?? I will live with the ruling either way it goes… Because I believe in the Constitution…
You can find some interesting readings on the Court at http://www.jeffersonhour.org
OK I watched the Shuttle, now I am off to bed… got early appointments tomorrow morning…
Somebody needs to call the Eagle and tell them to put the Blog on Daylight Savings Time… The Blog is an hour behind!! LOL
“Have you ever seen a body ripped apart by a semi-automatic gun in a drug deal gone sour?? It aint a pretty site…”
No, Chas, it’s not. No one is for that, don’t pretending you have some magical high ground here. And just what “tough gun talk” seems to be attempting to “intimidate” you? Try as I might, I can’t find any.
“And, yes, sir, I DO believe that the police have the right to cordon off an area, and go in and get all the guns they can grab… most likely many of them will be illegal and/or stolen anyway… ”
I strongly suggest, Chas, you read not only use of force law, but it’s clear you need a serious primer on the 4th amendment. Do you understand the constitutional implications of what you propose? Do you have any clue at all?
Or is this the usual liberal “I’ll pay attention to the parts of the constitution I like, and ignore the rest” version of constitutional interpretation?
“I think if you take that away from the police, you are putting their lives in worse danger than they are already in…”
Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, Chas, police CANNOT do that now. Get educated, Chas.
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MH – I understand exactly what I said (which is significantly different than what you impune I said), despite your torturing of it. And I’ll stand by it. Jefferson would agree. And with that, you can wrestle with your strawman by yourself.
Your prison example was pure fallacy, and we both know it; I won’t insult the intelligence of other readers by pretending otherwise. We both understand the implications of liberties lost after due process; ’nuff said. If you truly don’t understand that, you’re farther gone than I had imagined.
And you’re a lot of things, MH, but a moderate isn’t one of them.
And with that, I’m off to bed. And unlike Chas, I mean it.
GMC — I dont see the 4th Amendment applying to the situation I described above… All you would need would be for some Judge to issue a warrant(but I didnt intend to talk about items stored in lockers; or sometimes a teacher would have aa built-in vanity, which would swing different emotions… Do keep trying, ok??
That was strange… Part of that last post was what I typed… but where that last part came from, I dont know… it appeared out of nowhere!! Strange Blog…
It’s 6:24am, and no new blogs.
Wooo hoo editors! Wake up please!
PMama — They dont even have the Blog clock set on Daylight Savings Time yet!!
Not only that, the calender still shows the date as the 10th. Somebody is sleeping in late…
Maybe they are having an Editors Meeting??
Yes, maybe they are having a follow-up meeting with Hank about some important matter. Or maybe they are meeting with JM’s attorneys. Gosh, there could be no end to the important things they might be doing.
LOL no kiddin!! LOL!!
Looks like 8 troops were killed in Iraq yesterday. McCain will have extremely heavy security for his visit, so he can walk the markets shopping.
Pity the Market he visits!
“I want the police to be able to go into an area of a major city, and confiscate any gun they find there… and I bet you would see the crime rate drop drastically.”
And you don’t think this has serious 4th amendment implications?!?! Chas, it appears to me that you need to understand the basics. Warrants are issued on probable cause, based on specific information, and defining exactly where and for what a search is to be conducted. What you’ve described is a general warrant, exactly what the constitution forbids.
Let’s get you up to speed on basic foundational legal principles before you start talking about constitutional interpretation. You gotta walk before you can run, and you are barely crawling now.