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I would like to thank everyone that supported my efforts to make the BLOG a little more civil.
I received emails and support from 25 people. I am astounded that so many would respond and humbled that the would trust me with their real names and email addresses.
On Thursday afternoon I had a meeting with Phillip Brownlee. Many of the 25 people wrote a letter or little note in support. They ranged from some very good ideas for improvement to merely words of encouragement. A pretty impressive presentation!
Phillip Brownlee was very receptive and understanding of our concerns. They are currently working on a sign in requirement that will allow them to police the BLOG a little more effectively.
It won’t be a cure-all, but it will make it a little harder for profanity and threats to continue. The BLOG exists to provide us with a place for the exchange of ideas and civil debate. If the Eagle takes on the responsibility of monitoring every post then, well they might also make themselves ‘legally’ responsible for monitoring the BLOG.
At the end of the day for organizations and individuals to provide a forum for such discussions the individual posters must be solely responsible for the content of their posts. Morally and legally.
The most we can hope for is for the Eagle to respond to our complaints in a fair and timely manner and deny privileges to the worst abusers.
As it now stands, the eagle will respond to our complaints and remove abusive and profane posts. Currently they are working for a sign in in the near future.
Thanks again for all the support!
Hank
Hello, fellow Wichitans: This is the singing Songbird, back from two days of flu-induced misery. Something somewhat akin to a trip through Dante’s Inferno – no, that’s not accurate: something akin to a trip through Dante’s intestines AFTER he traversed the inferno……or something like that.
It was that bad.
I’ve learned a few things from this wretched experience. Thus, I feel obligated to share them. For the purposes of this altruistic missive, the letters “CW” will be pregnant with meaning. (No, that’s not a very bad TV channel with semi-naked people doing gawd knows what things……CW stands for conventional wisdom.)
It’s time to throw CW out the window, folks. If I hadn’t, I’d probably be standing upon a cliff right about now, ready to hurl (not only ready to hurl – but hurl my six-foot body off the cliff into oblivion).
CW tells us that antibiotics are not effective against viruses, right? They’re only efficacious against nasty bacteria, right? Just like the common cold – about all the sufferer can do is drink lots of liquids, get lots of rest, and pray for release. R-r-r-r-right?
Wrong. I was as wrong as a woman can be.
After staggering drunkenly into the Clinic on Thursday morning, plopping my miserable, mangled mass of flesh into the nearest available seat, coughing my aging guts out and compelling the abject pity of everyone and everything within earshot, I learned this much:
Without antibiotics, 90% of the Wichita health care professional force would be moribund. THEY were becoming ill from treating their multitude of patients; more and more patients were flocking to see them, so they needed to be well. So-o-o-o-o-o-o-o,
After the nice doctor calmly informed me that this flu is singularly nasty, I learned the following: My illness had indeed begun as the flu; it had morphed into bronchitis; I was exhausted from going into work every day and struggling to make it through the day; and (and this is the big one, folks)…..
Help was on its way. In the form of four nice little prescriptions (and a handy bottle of Advil Liqui-Gels, I might add.)
I started on the Z-Pack (antibiotics) that very minute. Then, I got some lovely prescription-strength cough syrup. Then, I got some sort-of-scary steroids (Prednisone) because of the acute bronchitis. Then, I got a way-cool inhaler to help with the coughing fits. If this sounds like a pharmacoepia, I’ve got one thing to say:
As President Kennedy once said, “I don’t care if it’s horse pi$$ – it works.”
I awoke at 9:30 p.m. on Thursday – with nary a cough or a wheeze – and I just knew I was on the mend. That’s how powerful the antibiotic evidently was.
Just a word of caution, though. Narcotic cough syrup doses are meant to be spaced FAR apart. I took my first dose at 3:00 p.m. – and my second at 8:00 p.m. – and I think that was too much on my tender system. I awoke on Friday morning quite nauseated, but I muddled through.
And here I am – somewhat worse for the wear (I feel like a Sherman tanker has just rolled over my flesh) – but I’m on the mend.
And thank gawd for that, ’cause I was ready to phone Dr. Kevorkian and beg for nirvana. I don’t think he’d want to risk another lengthy prison sentence for a flu-stricken amazon, but I was willing to offer my life savings ($56) to find out……
Stick it Hank (and your Psychotic son, Nathan)!
You are just another reichwing, “religious” nutcase who is more dangerous to our country than OBL and all of the other terrorists combined.
If you don’t like the “tone” of the blog, leave FOREVER.
Good RIDDANCE!
To Apophis:, Civility doesnt harm anyone. I can be pretty uncivil and I have realized people dont tend to want to listen to my views and points. They are solid important views and points, but again, people dont want to try to read them in a uncivilized writing. Thanks to Hank Price for taking the time to remind us and too care enough to respond that he and others prefer a medium that is civil and understandable. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com P.S. I still want a “Call Back Petition” too remove Governor Sebelius and put me in as, “YOUR”, Kansas Governor.
Leftist Radical Libs fear a sign in, they won’t be able to do what they do.
JR already said he would leave if there is a sign in. (doubtful)
Thanks for the all your work Hank. I don’t know what the delay is on the sign in. It is apparent the Eagle already knows how to do it. As I said before, a few hours and we would have a sign in.
I think someone was correct about the advertising thing, with trolls they get more click per pay fees.
BTW,
Entertaining post Songbird – thanks for humorous story telling. :)
” If the Eagle takes on the responsibility of monitoring every post then, well they might also make themselves ‘legally’ responsible for monitoring the BLOG.”
There’s no IF about it. At some point WE is going to realize that they are responsible for the blog and what’s posted just as they are for their paper product.
It’s only a matter of time.
Of course a sign in that isn’t computer specific (as 0pposed to only an email account) is worthless.
All because somebody said something about Toad Tiarht that Hank didn’t like.
Nevermind the stuff that Hank and Nathan have said. Maybe I should go have a meeting with Phil about that?
Worst offenders are on your side Price. Police them your own self and quit whining.
Bring on the sign-in!! The sooner the better!!
The reichwing is sure a whiny bunch today!
I am ready for the sign in! I am sick of JR accusing everyone of being James.
Hey it’s James wants that nics should be irrelevant.
But then I don’t need to tell “ANTI” that.
I’ll tell you what I don’t like. I don’t like that there was a protest before and the editors ignored it. Then suddenly Hank waltzes in and gets a hearing? As far as I know, this is not Hank’s blog. I HAD rather hoped that he would take himself and his pals and go start another one. I don’t see anybody taking the Price’s to task when Nathan in particular is one of the worst offenders here.
J R that is because Nathan is not, it is “the Left” side that is pissing everyone off with their nasty and childish behavior. These are the facts in most cases that I have witnessed here.
I would like to thank everyone that supported my efforts to make the BLOG a little more civil
screw off
Thanks Hank for doing the leg work. Hopefully the sign on will be up and running soon!
There seems to be a rather interesting point that the dumbest among us either don’t get or wish to ignore. I had the support of 25 people that either BLOG here regularly or have left in disgust because of the constant stupidity of a few.
Four to one they were people that regularly disagree with my political view point. We all came together with an understanding that the BLOG could be better and with the hope that the Eagle would do something about it.
I don’t plan to boycott the BLOG. I will not be ran off. I and others post with our real names and left or right I respect them. I don’t have a problem with anyone using a nic, but only a real chicken shit would hide behind their nic to abuse other posters.
You chicken shits know who you are.
“I had the support of 25 people”
Names? Nics?
To put it simply, I don’t believe you.
Was James among them? Heh, in how many nics?
I agree with JR………….you can claim whatever you want, but until I hear from 25 people saying they are on-board with Hank, Nathan, McCluer and the rest of the nutcases.
Ah J R,
I promised them privacy. You don’t believe me? I’m hurt!
A thief will never trust you, a liar will never believe you.
I’ll make a deal with you J R. In the past you’ve said I don’t know your address, your email address etc. Allow me to post your real name, address and email address and I’ll consider answering some of your questions concerning my support.
It would be a good way to determine which of us is a liar.
Now, if you continue to doubt me in public and imply I’m the despicable liar and person you claim, I might just prove you right and let people know all I know about you!
You ARE a despicable liar!
Ever tasted a political pickle?
Congressman Emanuel Cleaver is munching one right now. Just heard him say it’s a little sour.
Cleaver endorsed Hillary Clinton for president last summer. Then he sat back and watched as Barack Obama made his steady rise in the polls and carried Cleaver’s 5th District, on Super Tuesday.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/columnists/steve_kraske/story/502613.html
Despite the will of the people and their vote, Cleaver stays with Hillary for his super-delegate vote.
And with Hillary already talking about challenging the Texas vote – before it even takes place it’s looking more and more like another stolen election.
AmWay – WITHIN the Democratic Party we have not had that happen since 1968. I do not see the Party repeating that mistake. If Hillary does not win BOTH TX and OH she is done.
Hey Ben,
For all practical purposes she’s done now. The question is, will she admit it?
The Clinton’s aren’t known for going quietly into the night!
I didn’t say you were a liar Hank. Not in this case anyway.
I said I don’t believe you. And I have never lied here. You cannot exactly say the same.
And I doubt again that you have anything on me. Even if you do, it would mean that you went looking for it. And that speaks to your motives and intentions doesn’t it? I doubt you went digging on me to do me any favors.
I can give as good or as bad as I get. But I don’t go looking outside for ammunition. I use only what is here. You do what you want Hank. Any harm or ill comes to me or my family and I’ll hold you responsible.
I’d like other posters and readers to consider this. Hank goes and talks to the editors. Then the first thing he does is makes threats on me. What will this “sign in” be? Hank gets the up or down? Hank gets to decide what is posted here and what is not?
And for the record, I was not part of the earlier effort to impose anyone’s rules on this forum.
Everyone knows my real name by now :)
If JR,Capn, MonkeyHawk, Chas and the other trolls start posting their real names I’ll post mine.
But you know they won’t.
bawk bawk bawk bawk
Actually JR, I gave Hank my real name, email, address and phone number.
He knows where I live and who I am.
It’s simple, really it is.
J R,
You can not cite one time I have Lied on this BLOG.
Dear Junior,
Saying you don’t believe me and saying I’m a liar is a difference with out a distinction.
I can do a bone dig and come up with numerous times you threatened me in one way or another.
You don’t believe that 25 people emailed me with their support? Hell, at least a dozen people expressed their support on the BLOG!
Hank
You cannot cite one time when I have lied.
And bonedig away. I invented the word.
I have never made assertions as to your or your character that I had to apologize for.
Oh and does your new sense of civility include using the appelation “junior” instead of my nic?
Hypocrite.
I prefer to think you have never made assertions you were man enough to apologize for.
I made you an offer up thread. Seems like you are grabbing sand.
The word ‘bone dig’ has been around as long as I have been alive. Sorry JR,you didn’t invent it.
Well junior,
If you believe that calling you ‘junior is uncivil then the answer is yes.
Call Phillip. He’ll remove it.
Nitwit.
J R is just too cowardly to post under his real name.
He likes to stalk and insult from a hidden position.
Lot of people would behave if they used their real names.
We share a mutual lack of respect for one another Hank. I have no problem with that.
But I think other posters should take note of how you want to cry foul when it is someone else and then go right on being a wanker yourself.
Hey Regular,
Does that make J R a liar? Again?
Chas.
Posted March 1, 2008 at 12:54 am | Permalink
But Clark, they just wont go away!! And they have never been here before, and yet they know all usual smear crap!!
IT’S A CONSERVATIVE INVASION! THEY ARE EVERYWHERE! WE BE SURROUNDED!
Seek reflection in the approval mental defectives often do ya Hank?
Heh.
Evidently Hank (re JR). :)
I trust Hank to do the right thing.
Something about an old ’salt’ like Hank you can trust. Retired military have learned a lot, know a lot, done a lot, been lots of places and grateful when they get back home.
Glad ol’ Hank is around. :)
Ya gotta love it.
Hank is gonna save the blog!
And right beside him and cheering him on is the guy who causes the most problems.
Sounds good Hank. Thanks for the update.
Yeah according to JR the coward I cause the most problems. You know, the coward who accuses me of being every other poster, without proof I might add.
Makes no difference to JR, he can just blame someone and his life is complete.
Gonna stick around when you have to register for this blog JR?
I doubt it, you won’t be able to bully people behind your computer screen anymore.
(chortles)
Thanks Regular!
You’re being so nice people will start to think you’re one of my nics!
I’ve proved factually and systematically that J R is a liar in the past.
It resulted in him threatening to ‘destroy me’. Crying foul? No stating facts.
It is precisely because of people like you “Regular” that makes anonymity here an absolute necessity.
There was a time when threats of physical violence even death threats were a shocking thing here.
You have made such part of the furniture.
How many nics do you/have you had “Regular”
I’ve only had just the one.
J R
Posted March 1, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink
Hey it’s James wants that nics should be irrelevant.
But then I don’t need to tell “ANTI” that.
I’ll tell you what I don’t like. I don’t like that there was a protest before and the editors ignored it. Then suddenly Hank waltzes in and gets a hearing? As far as I know, this is not Hank’s blog. I HAD rather hoped that he would take himself and his pals and go start another one. I don’t see anybody taking the Price’s to task when Nathan in particular is one of the worst offenders here.
YES THE CONS SHOULD LEAVE! NOW! DON’T THEY KNOW THIS IS A LIBERAL BLOG!
NO CONS ALLOWED!
“I’ve proved factually and systematically that J R is a liar in the past.
It resulted in him threatening to ‘destroy me’”
All you have to do is prove it Hank.
Hank Price posted March 1, 2008 at 7:11 am
“The BLOG exists to provide us with a place for the exchange of ideas and civil debate.”
Hank Price wrongly believes, and insists, that economists and others who who have not done credible science re AGW, refute the science of AGW.
If you point out to Hank Price why he is wrong about that, his “exchange of ideas and civil debate” is to call you a “nitwit”.
Hank offers no facts, no logic… he instead just calls people “nitwit”.
Do you ALL understand that the reason we need a sign-in is because of YOUR BS posts?
Cannot ANY of you just once take the high road and NOT reply to a personal insult, thereby stopping at least part of the insanity?
I’ve seen grade schoolers act with more decorum. Teenagers with their “whatever” may be infuriating at times, but there’s not much you can say to a “whatever” and still look intelligent.
Hank, thanks for continuing the work started with the boycott of a few months ago.
Sheesh.
There’s another lie JR just told everyone, Hank.
Let me get that note I have, where JR said he would be using the ‘JM’ nic to control others. Let’s see…
“We have the force of numbers. If there is a poster we want to destroy out of neccesity? We ALL use their nic!”
(re: The multiple JMs posters)
Ooops not control, destroy.
Hank,
Way to gooooo!!! You initiate a noble gesture to help clean up this blog, turn on the light so to speak, and the cockroaches run screaming and calling you vile names.
I came to the blog with a pretty uncharitable opinion of the DemLibs in the beginning and it has gone downhill from there. Their opinions are warped and worthless.
Keep up the good work and continue to drive the DemLibs to further insanity. Don’t weaken.
And cosmos calls every one a liar.
Right cosmos?
You do it almost every day. The uncivil cosmos that loves to stalk posters across threads and dredge up posts made six months ago and re-post them over and over and over and over and over. Regardless whether it has anything to do with the topic or not.
Sorry Regular, retired military people aren’t any more intelligent, or honorable, or capable than anybody who didn’t choose to spend 20 or 30 years of their life in uniform.
Although a lot of them, including my AF brother in law, like to think so.
Thanks Boxlock,
They don’t intend to be mean, it’s just easier than defending their dogma.
Well Dennis, Hank was a “top 3.” That means he was senior enlisted. People who obtain that rank know the ropes and know how to handle situations and people.
Perhaps your brother-in-law had problems. Most Top 3 I have met, you could put your life in their hands, because they have years of confidence building skills.
amazing…the ONE person who has actually said he HATES people because of their political opinion (how childish is that, anyway?) seems to be one of the few people complaining about a more civilized blog.
What is the matter with a civilized blog, JR…afraid you will get booted for your hate speeches?
JR…from what I understand, your whiny boycott a while back was not quite the mature approach that Hank took…asking if others felt as he did and then scheduling a meeting. He acted like an adult. You, however, are being your usual immature self, having a fit and spewing your attacks.
Question for the day…will JR ever grow up and act like an adult?
Hank you did a good thing here. Even though I’ve seen hundreds of posts from nasty Libs here, I really thought most would support you, or at least not try to tear you down, like several did above.
Listen to the hate, jealousy, contempt, vitriol, and lies from the leftist Libs on this blog.
Helpless, hopeless, unable and unwilling to take responsibility for themselves. They NEED Big Brother Government to take care of them, because they are too inept to care for themselves. They are nothing but theives, using the Government to steal for them.
Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you.
Instead of crying about being so helpless, why don’t they try to improve themselves, instead of constantly TAKING from others?
Makes you aspire to be a Liberal doesn’t it?
And we have old JimmyMac, who adds a fictional paragraph to the end of a copy/paste, to falsely blame the Sierra Club for the levee failures.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
Plus JimmyMac changes his TypeKey registration so his nic becomes ‘J M Walker’. And the next day JimmyMac posts as ‘ ‘ (blank).
Reminds me of an old sign I saw once in a Chief Master Sergeants office:
A Non-Commissioned Officer is never wrong.
“He can be bullhead, ignorant, belligerent and down right stupid – But never wrong.”
The Chief caught me looking at the sign and said, “Any Questions?” I shook my head “No” and laughed.
Yeah, a long time ago right Cosmos of which I apologized for.
But you know I forgot, Leftist Radical Libs like yourself cosmos, don’t accept apologies. They like to hold on to their grudges like soft, warm puppies.
The problem with most all Leftist Radical Libs is they don’t know how to forgive and forget. They love to keep the hate going. It’s what they are.
Thanks for the update, Hank. And thanks for your efforts!
PS I am one of those who is often on the other side of the fence from Hank, I posted support earlier here on the blog, and I wrote Hank an email saying the same.
By the way, no black helicopters….yet. :wink:
Thanks again Hank.
Thanks Hank for taking the time to try to heal our blog. Right and left thinkers most of the time would love to see a good spirited dialogue with no arrows thrown. Hope it works.
I saw a black helicopter once. It was a traffic helicopter from a Dayton Ohio TV station. :D
Couldn’t see the logo until he banked. Thought I had a discovery. :D
Cosmos I don’t agree with you on most things but you have had an effect on me. I am much ‘greener’ than I used to be. I have become a stewart of earths resources I think. I still don’t share all of your opinions of GW and still have a distrust of Al Gore but I applaud your devotion to your cause. That is the good side of this blog. Trading opinions and comparing them with your own established ones.
JimmyMac,
I know how to “accept apologies” and “forgive and forget”.
But you don’t know how to be honest.
You lied multiple times about the levees, and recently blamed two false speculations for your own lies.
No cosmos, I did not lie about the levees. I posted information, one with information from a Congressman and the other from an African-American Environmental group.
Of course, you went off in an eight month long rant and rage session which you still haven’t gotten over, because someone had a different opinion than you.
The content of the post wasn’t even mine cosmos.
Face it cosmos, you’re a hate-filled loser, who doesn’t know how to discuss something and move on.
Besides, what purpose does it serve to keep attacking me on the same matter? It’s not like the outcome is going to save the world.
Get over it.
Hey Max,
Most of the support came from the liberals. I mentioned, 4 to 1.
I am humbled b y the fact that they felt so strongly about making the BLOG a better place that they would trust me with their personal info.
Unfortunately a lot of them now have gone away or merely lurk.
The nastiness of a few has spoiled the arena for many.
I don’t deserve a lot of credit, without the overwhelming support I wouldn’t have bothered.
Dear Pedant,
They might not be there yet, but you’re on the list!
Hank posted March 1, 2008 at 11:53 am
They don’t intend to be mean, it’s just easier than defending their dogma.
Okay Hank, defend your “dogma”.
Explain why you believe that someone like Dennis ‘Organic Food is Bad For You’ Avery is a credible source on AGW science.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dennis_Avery
Avery is on Inhofe’s “400″ list.
And please try to use facts, and logic.
Hank Posted March 1, 2008 at 11:53 am | speaking of what I refer to as the DemLibs
“They don’t intend to be mean, it’s just easier than defending their dogma.”
Can’t help but respectfully disagree Hank. Most of vitriol I see pour from them I attribute to their realizing the shallowness of their positions, and a lack of self-respect due to a lack of self-confidence resulting from a lack of self-reliance and independence. They want and need Nanny Government to take care of them in all aspects of their lives. From this they hate anyone not like them, anyone that thinks government should play a minor roll in peoples lives and that people should be responsible for themselves. Actually, their hate is a transference from self to those that remind them of their weakness, the worst kind of hate.
Those are the worst, some are just annoying.
Todd Tiahrt’s kid hanged himself because the kid was gay.
Why bother with subtlety?
JimmyMac posted March 1, 2008 at 12:21 pm
The content of the post wasn’t even mine cosmos.
Then post the source for the last paragraph of your post here,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
It’s not from the three links in that post.
And post the links to the Justice Dept and Congressional records, which you claimed multiple times contained the “truth”.
You cannot, because you posted your lies.
cosmos!
Son!
The earth is cooling down! It is being driven by the sun!
The spike in warming in 1998 was merely a harbinger of things to come. For the last ten years the trend overall is cooling!
Screw the IPCC and the ‘Inhoff’ list. It makes no difference what the science claims when the thermometers are dropping!
The GW alarmists missed the boat.
Sorry.
Nitwit
Boxlock, I’m convinced the Libs have a different definition of Freedom.
Freedom to the Libs is to be free from work, and responsibility. Freedom to them is to be free to live without effort, by being free to steal things from others who have more. You don’t get more by working for it, you get more by stealing, through Government redistribution of wealth.
Thus they have a violent reaction to those who would dare make them work.
Freedom to conservatives is to be free in your personal life and free in your hard-earned property. You don’t want or demand that others pay for you, because you respect the rights of others to be free in their own person and free in their own property. In other words, mutual respect of others to be free in their own persuit of happiness.
We don’t want a guarantee of happiness, we want a guarantee to the PURSUIT of happiness.
Conservatives don’t need Liberals, because we want nor need nothing from them, except to be left alone and to keep their hands of our own person and our own property.
On the other hand, Liberals do need Conservatives, because without us, they would not be able to steal property through the Government redistribution of wealth.
They would be put to work to EARN their own way in life, and thus they rebel violently when their right to steal from others is taken away.
Max….I agree!
I am not proud necessarily, I simply don’t know another way to be. I would rather fail miserably than not try but then expect to take from others.
Max — The Liberals are the party of Labor Unions, and the WORKERS Party… Once again, you got your definitions all messed up… But keep on trying — some day you might get it right!!
If you want something or need something, what do you do about it?
Do you work to get what you need or want? Or do you expect to be able to just take from others (who do work for what they need or want)?
Boxlock
Posted March 1, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink
Max….I agree!
I am not proud necessarily, I simply don’t know another way to be. I would rather fail miserably than not try but then expect to take from others.
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AMEN!
LIBERALISM >>>>
2 a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties…
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism
Hank, I’d be more inclined to believe you about wanting a more civil blog if I hadn’t seen you be so uncivil so very many times. The name-calling (on both sides) gets rather annoying. Which is the main reason I stopped posting or even reading this blog for quite awhile. I would love to see a login system and am amazed that they don’t already have one. In fact this is the ONLY blog I know of that doesn’t use one.
They used to be Chas. Show me what the Liberals have done for the Unions lately.
Can you say NAFTA?
And Chas, don’t forget about The Forgotten Man! (Do you need me to repost?)
Even the Union has forgotten about the forgotten man. Who represents the forgotten man who wasn’t allowed to join the Union?
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten.htm
Max, posted in reference to the libs;
“Do you work to get what you need or want? Or do you expect to be able to just take from others (who do work for what they need or want)?”
Shouldn’t say this, to inflammatory for Sat. afternoon, but they remind me of hyenas. Traveling in packs, stealing the reward of the hunt from others.
Hank posted March 1, 2008 at 12:46 pm
(emphasis added)
“The earth is cooling down! It is being driven by the sun!
The spike in warming in 1998 was merely a harbinger of things to come. For the last ten years the trend overall is cooling!
Screw the IPCC and the ‘Inhoff’ list. It makes no difference what the science claims when the thermometers are dropping!
The GW alarmists missed the boat.
…
Nitwit.”
Dear Hank,
Thank you for proving that you have no facts, and no logic — just name-calling.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
“Global Temperature Trends: 2007 Summation
The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis.
2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the “El Niño of the century”. The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.
…
The global mean temperature anomaly, 0.57°C (about 1°F) warmer than the 1951-1980 mean, continues the strong warming trend of the past thirty years that has been confidently attributed to the effect of increasing human-made greenhouse gases (GHGs) (Hansen et al. 2007). The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990. “
Max are you now arguing with the Dictionary??
Like I say gotta love it.
Hank’s cheerleader is the biggest offender here. I count him in 4 nics since just before noon!
“JR…from what I understand, your whiny boycott…”
As you well know “Taz” I had nothing to do with any boycott. I repectfully disagreed with stated purpose of it and posted as normal.
And while I don’t oppose efforts to get multi nics under control, I find it the height of hypocrisy that those who ridiculed the last attempt to get something done now want to play at blog monitor. Why should I respect them anymore than they did others in the same efforts?
Simply because something was said that they didn’t like?
a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties…
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Chas, since when have you been for Capitalism and a Free Market? Or the Gold Standard? Or the Autonomy of the Individual?
You believe in Government Control, Redistribution of Wealth, and the Dependence of the Individual on Government.
So what does that make you?
Marxist.
Boxlock
Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
Max, posted in reference to the libs;
“Do you work to get what you need or want? Or do you expect to be able to just take from others (who do work for what they need or want)?”
Shouldn’t say this, to inflammatory for Sat. afternoon, but they remind me of hyenas. Traveling in packs, stealing the reward of the hunt from others.
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And Boxlock, notice the Libs can’t answer this question. I wonder why.
From Chas’s posted definition of liberalism;
Main Entry:
lib·er·al·ism Listen to the pronunciation of liberalism
Pronunciation:
\?li-b(?-)r?-?li-z?m\
Function:
noun
Date:
1819
Get the date of the definition…1819 !!!
Quite a transformation to now.
Hank,
I applaud your efforts. I did not email you and do not post under my real name because I believe privacy on the internet is paramount.
The petty personal attacks here over someone revealing their name is a good example. But it is by far not the worst that can happen.
Not a chicken shit IMHO. Just security conscience.
But you did “good” sir.
NO Max… That is what YOU constantly say I believe… That is NOT what I believe in… I think you have been saying it so much that YOU now believe your own LIE!! LOL That is just sad!
The problem with some claiming to be Libs on this blogs, they aren’t really Libs.
They are part of the Radical Left who used hate filled speech and character assassination as part of their agenda.
In stead of discussing, they would rather ridicule, mock, distribute hate, name call and use other tactics.
There are a few good Libs on the blog, but small in number. Ben ranges from moderate to Liberal, depending on the issue.
Vaughn Tolle is mostly moderate. And there are others.
Sorry, if I didn’t mention your names.
The rest of the so-called Libs, are just Radical Left trouble makers. That’s all they want out of life is to cause trouble.
Oh Boxlock, I liked Chas’ definition. It’s presently the definition of Conservative!
Wrong Max — it makes YOU a liberal ROFL!!
The earlier so called “boycott” was a childish attempt IMHO. The main posters who spend their hours complaining about nic’s – were in fact admittedly nic-switching throughout the ineffective and silly boycott.
If everyone would concentrate on posting opinions and less time concentrating on who is who in the zoo we would have a better blog. (and I’m guilty too. Sometimes I get zinged, I don’t count to ten very well.)
“Small minds talk about people,
Average minds talk about events,
Great minds discuss ideas”.
Author: disputed
Say Chas, here’s one link to the Amicus Brief Issue. Read the whole topic that day for a complete discussion.
Clinton and Obama not only do NOT support the 2nd Amendment, they ATTACK it!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/tricky-to-attack-obama/#comment-290037
CURRENT TEST OF SUPPORT FOR THE 2ND AMENDMENT
House, Senate members back DC gun owners
The Associated Press
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WASHINGTON –Bipartisan majorities in both the House and the Senate are backing gun owners in a landmark Supreme Court case.
The court next month will hear arguments in a challenge to the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns, the most important gun rights case at the Supreme Court in 70 years.
Fifty-five senators and 250 representatives have signed onto a brief that urges the justices to strike down the ban and assert that the Second Amendment gives individuals the right to own guns for their protection.
“The Supreme Court has the perfect case to affirm … a Second Amendment right to own a gun for self-defense,” Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said at a Washington news conference Thursday.
Nine Democrats in the Senate and 68 in the House joined much larger Republican contingents in signing the brief, which is expected to be filed Friday.
The main issue before the justices is whether the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own guns or instead merely sets forth the collective right of states to maintain militias.
The Bush administration also supports individual gun rights. But the administration said governments still may impose reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and asked the justices to send the case back to lower courts without deciding whether the handgun ban fails that test.
Hutchison and Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., who also signed the brief, agreed that some restrictions are valid but said the court should declare the handgun ban unconstitutional and set a clear limit beyond which governments may not go to restrict gun ownership.
http://www.charlotte.com/559/story/482945.html
conservatism
Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: \k?n-?s?r-v?-?ti-z?m\
Function: noun
Date: 1832
1capitalized a: the principles and policies of a Conservative party b: the Conservative party
2 a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism
Max.
Chas, since when have you been for Capitalism and a Free Market? Or the Gold Standard? Or the Autonomy of the Individual?
You believe in Government Control, Redistribution of Wealth, and the Dependence of the Individual on Government.
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Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
NO Max… That is what YOU constantly say I believe… That is NOT what I believe in… I think you have been saying it so much that YOU now believe your own LIE!! LOL That is just sad!
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Ok Chas. Then you believe in:
Capitalism a free market with little Government Regulation.
A flat tax, no deductions, no credits, not progressive. Just plain X% of income.
No national healthcare. That would eliminate Capitalism from healthcare by destroying private companies.
Shall I go on, or are you able to clearly state what you do believe in?
…from what I understand, your whiny boycott a while back was not quite the mature approach that Hank took…
Taz, unless you were participating on this blog at the time, you know very little about the boycott and contact with the editors during that period. The majority of whining, if that’s what you want to call it, came from the right, as they did their best to taunt and demean those who took a different, but peaceful approach. They still do, and you’re continuing it. Does that make you a better person? You decide.
“The Bush administration also supports individual gun rights. But the administration said governments still may impose reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and asked the justices to send the case back to lower courts without deciding whether the handgun ban fails that test.”
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I find it most interesting that BushCo says “governments still may impose reasonable restrictions on gun ownership…” Aint that interesting…
I guess even BushCo disagrees with Max and the gun toters!!
Chas,
I think Bush was referring to nuclear bombs.
Chas.
Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
LIBERALISM >>>>
2 a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties…
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism
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Chas, either you agree with your own definition or you don’t. But at 1:01 pm whoever was in charge of your mind came up with this definition.
BTW, what are the differences between your posted definiton of Liberalism above, with your posted definition of Conservatism below?
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Chas.
Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink
conservatism
Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: \k?n-?s?r-v?-?ti-z?m\
Function: noun
Date: 1832
1capitalized a: the principles and policies of a Conservative party b: the Conservative party
2 a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism
Chas, circle dem wagons, we done been surrounded now! They iz running circles all around us!
You gotta love it… MAX openly agrees with the dictionary definition of being a Liberal!! Ya just cnat make up this stuff!! ROFL
The earlier so called “boycott” was a childish attempt IMHO. The main posters who spend their hours complaining about nic’s – were in fact admittedly nic-switching throughout the ineffective and silly boycott.
Considering the fact that I was one of the boycotters, I disagree with your opinion, AmWay. You must have been a reader only here at that time, as your nic wasn’t familiar until recently, or perhaps you posted under another nic then? If not, then you’re jumping on the bandwagon to bad-mouth a situation you know nothing about.
As for silly and ineffective, it did let the editors know how we felt and why, setting things in motion for Hank’s meet with Phillip. We’ll see how that goes and if the WE does, indeed, do something. But why adults can’t police themselves is beyond me. Therein lies “childish”.
Chas, quit chasing your own tail now. Heal!
Now why would I agree with Bush on the 2nd Amendment and how exactly is that relevent to how our next potential President (Obama/Clinton) will attack the 2nd Amendment?
I warned ya all several times. If YOU vote for Clinton/Obama, then YOU will have YOURSELVES to blame when they come to take your guns. Mark my words.
If the 2nd Amendment isn’t important to you, then don’t worry be happy.
The the 2nd Amendment is important to you, wouldn’t it be prudent to research the past votes and statements of your beloved candidates?
I was there RD and I have a different. Yes, I was a mean bast** back then. But I did it to prove a point, that the Radical Left couldn’t take their own medicine when handed back to them.
CapnAmerica for one, has posted under many nics and still does. He got called out for it early in the blog’s start. Your favorite posters RD, WSClark, JR , Steven Davis and CapnAmerica were constantly harassing posters with profanity, hate speech and false accusations.
When myself and others took them to task, they folded like a house of cards as we knew they would.
The one person starting all the crap on the blog since the new format, has been CapnAmerica. He just can’t stand not knowing the identity of other posters, so he can bully them.
JR constantly accuses me of being other posters and without any proof. I think he knows that I only post under Regular, but he does it any way, cause he’s a turd.
WSClark is just mean and he admits it.
Those are your heroes RD, these are the ones that disrupt the blog the most.
When they are gone, the blog is quite peaceful, has mature discussions and everything is cool.
The moment they show up, everything goes downhill.
RD, do me a favor, ask WSClark, JR and CapnAmerica to sit out for a week and see what happens. Tell them not to come back using false nics – you know, stay away from the blog entirely for a week.
You will find the blog to be a much happier place.
But you know they won’t do it, they like causing trouble, it’s their hobby and their life.
RD were you using a different nic during that other boycott??
The new AG is just like the old AG; Mukasey won’t pursue charges against Meirs et. al. Says no crime since bush told them not to!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080301/pl_nm/usa_congress_contempt_dc;_ylt=Agz4AjT4CUDE5JCcKPvCkpca.3QA
JimmyMac,
So you admit that you posted your own lies.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-31/#comment-305400
It seems that all that JimmyMac wants out of life is to push his agenda, and cause trouble.
Regular, agree 100% with your 1:11 post.
These are beyond Libs, they are the radical left, for the most part.
I do like Vaughn very much, have much respect for him, though I disagree with his views much of the time. Clark/Capn are bright and not so far left, but they support their radical leftist buddies to the nth degree. The party line is all that matters.
Shiver me timbers if there are that many radicals in America. Certainly this is a small pocket of radicals in Kansas for sure.
McCain is sure to win Kansas.
cosmos, it’s a dead issue, you won.
Get over it. It’s a done deal, it’s finished.
Get the picture cosmos?
I know you don’t get the picture cosmos, because it doesn’t fit in with your hate filled agenda. A mature person would have let the matter drop months ago. Yet you keep bringing it up over and over.
Why is that? Because cosmos, you are a hater. You love to hate people.
Ya just cant fix stupid…. Max and Co are arguing with the Dictionary, and calling in MY definition???
Ummm guys, I didnt WRITE the definition… And, ummmm that date thing??? That isnt when the definition was written… That date is a reference to the USAGE of the word in frequent vocabularies… Geez!!
ROLMFAO, Chas posts two definitions and can tell the two apart. He can’t define his own position, much less the positions of others.
What are the specific differences Chas, between your 1:01 & 1:18 definitions?
Oh, I posted the Amicus Brief posts you asked for yesterday.
So why didn’t Clinton and Obama think it was important enough to sign what 305 members of Congress submitted to the Supreme Court in support of the 2nd Amendment?
Answer: THEY DON’T SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!!
Custor, if you arent going to contribute to the discussion, just butt out, eh??
Max, as you know…Chas has yet to admit he’s wrong on anything.
Just the other day he brought up that Commissaries are paid for by the taxpayers. When I told him they were paid for by Non-appropriated Funds (funds generated by sales) he skulk off, switched his argument, just so he could prove “something.”
I mean, just because I have been on Non-Appropriated Funded Committees and been a patron of the Commissary for the past 30 years, I don’t know what I’m talking about. Right Chas? :)
Don’t hide behind the dictionary Chas, I’m arguing with you. And your attempted deflections are not working. Your words are visible to all.
I am not aruging with your definitions.
Chas, you are truly stupid. Not ignorant. Stupid.
Max, if you cant tell the difference between the definitions… tsk tsk tsk…. just sad Max… just sad!! :-(
REgular, IF you would go back and read, I argued that the Commissary is a part of YOUR military benefit…. And as a part of YOUR military benefit, it is paid for by taxpayer dollars!!! Lots of government spending is from non-appropriated funding!!
Regular
Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
Max, as you know…Chas has yet to admit he’s wrong on anything.
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He does fill up a lot of white space though. Doesn’t say anything of value, but he does fill up a lot of white space.
I’m thru with him for the day. He refuses to r-e-a-d and cannot u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d.
I ALSO argued that it is unfair to compare pricing between Commisary prices, and Retail Grocery, etc., prices…
Then YOU decided I was wrong… But… I wasnt… and I am still not… So, just stuff it, eh??
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Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
I ALSO argued that it is unfair to compare pricing between Commisary prices, and Retail Grocery, etc., prices…
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No Chas, the actual cost of each item is shown on our receipts. It’s a very fair comparison. It will show how much markup the local grocery stores do.
Thats good Max… you best quit while you are ahead… YOU are the one who decided to agree with a DICTIONARY DEFINITION of Liberalism…. And then YOU called that the definition of Consevatism!!
You arent arguing with ME… you’re arguing with the friggin dictionary, and telling ME I am wrong because I will not agree to state I believe what YOU keep saying I supposedly believe!!
And then, you wonder why I wont respond to that line of BS??? Absolutely amazing!!
REgular, you still cant make a fair comparison of Government Commisary prices, with Retail store prices!!! There IS no comparison!! And thats as it should be… There is no state or federal tax on Commisary products either…`
Chas,
The definitions in the early 1800s have little to do with modern definitions.
Liberalism back in the early 1800s was entirely different. There were no welfare programs, people were mostly farmers and there was a mixture of different nationalities as lots of mixed language immigrants were still coming into the country.
You are most definitely not a 19th century Liberal Chas – not even close.
If I had to define your position, it would be what they call a progressive. However, I would put you on the radical side of progressive ideology as you are unyielding on any issue you profess.
JimmyMac,
I’m not a “hate filled” person.
It was/is your “hate filled” agenda against environmental groups that caused you to post lies about the levee failures.
Just like you post lies about climate science, other issues, and me.
You don’t respect facts, and you don’t respect other people. You don’t even seem to respect yourself.
I have no argument with the tax free thing either!!!
Now how bout you PROVE why or how I am wrong??? Huh???
Even when I explain to Chas, that commissary get to see the actual cost of the product, he still doesn’t get it.
Your assessment of Chas is correct Max.
Regular,
Progessive = Radical Liberal
See ya cosmos, ball up your hate and cuddle up with it, it’s all you know.
Regular, Webster is not 19th Century Definition… That is a part of the Etymology of the WORD USAGE!!! Stop flaming!!!
True Max,
I guess I added an extra adjective when it wasn’t necessary. :D
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Chas.
Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink
Regular, Webster is not 19th Century Definition… That is a part of the Etymology of the WORD USAGE!!! Stop flaming!!!”
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NO REGGIE YOU dont get it… I dont care if you get to see the regular price…. YOU dont pay that much for it!! That is part of your benefit… That benefit does nobody else but military folks any good at all!! It is YOUR benefit!!
What am I saying that you cannot read??? Do you want me to type slower, cause you cant read fast??
Progressive is the new “modern” disguised label for Radical Liberal.
If they revealed what their true beliefs were in 10 bullet points, or used the more accurate label of Radical Liberal, then they would never elect any of their people into any Government position.
If they don’t elect any of their people, then their Socialist agenda would not be fulfilled.
You can’t steal away the freedom from productive people openly, or through force. The distruction of freedom requires a disguised approach.
Max, my man, you wouldnt know a Socialist Agenda if it reached up and bit you on your A$$ — You never will get that right… I am not going to argue the point with you any more… I will let you find out the hard way… When what YOU think is Socialism happens, You are going to be one of the first to embrace it!! Why?? Cause sometimes I think you are dumb enough to embrace the neo-Communists when they take over your town!! LOL
I got an idea Max… How about if YOU post YOUR definition of what Freedom is???
Oh noes Max!
Chas is hoping for an attack of some fictional communist Huns to prove his point!
rofl!
Not exactly James… Just wanting to see if the Chinese are going to call in their Loans!! Cause its Max’s beloved Conservatives that have the National Debt in the hands of the Chinese…
That 9Trillion$$ debt will take money out of a lot of pockets… And it isnt one you all can blame on the Liberals… We were over on the Minority Side of the Aisle, and many were telling you: THEY’RE GONNA GET YA!!
“WSClark is just mean and he admits it.”
Yep, mean to CONservatives, as I have noted; it is my calling in life and I am really good at it – I just use their words to kick butt.
I am going to be a bit hit and run today – it’s too damned nice to be indoors, so here is my agenda for the day……………….
The smoker is already going – Western Cut Ribs – so I will have to monitor that until about 6:00 PM.
The Dog wants to play fetch, so I will be accommodating him next.
I am switching from DSL to cable Internet, so I have to run a bit of coax today – dirty job, but somebody has gotta do it.
The usual chores have to be done, dishes and laundry……………….
Somewhere in here I have to find the time to beat up a few Neocons or my day would not be complete.
The boy is going to a concert tonight, so I have to get him up and out at a reasonable time.
KU v. KSU tonight at Eight. Should be a Hell of a game.
The beer is cold, the smoker is smokin’ and I am looking forward to a great day…………..
Cheers, boys and girls!!!!!!
Pssssssssssssssssssstttttttttttt…………. get outside it is a wonderful day. The wind is blowing a bit – my ample supply of hair is a mess – but it is well worth it.
RD were you using a different nic during that other boycott??
Possibly, Chas, but when I switched back to this one (my original), I announced it here. Call me a nic switcher, but at least I’m honest about it. :)
You may know me as Rox, as do many others.
GO FOR IT cLARK!! HAVE A GREAT DAY!! I got spaghetti for dinner here and KU/KSU on the menu too!! Great game indeed!!
OK Rox… THAT name I remember!! And now that you mention it, I do remember when you announced your change… Thanks!! :-)
WS,
We’ll be grilling tonight, too. Okay, my son-in-law will be grilling. The rest of us will be eating. London Broil, I believe?
Enjoy today, everyone, for tomorrow will be stormy and nasty. That blows my plans. Oh well.
I wasnt in on that first boycott… But I have been watching this Blog, and posting as Chas, since the 2004 Campaign races!! I was in Iowa then… got to meet Kerry and Edwards at a rally in Sioux City…
what makes hank Price think he is so high and mighty? he starts out by saying he wants to make this blog a little more civil then a few paragraphs later he starts calling people chicken shits. Now, I ask you, is that being civil? TAKES ONE TO SPOT ONE.
I would rather be mighty and high, than to be high and mighty………………………..
Top 3, uh? As the kids say, whatever. It means he was good enough to go out on top as an NCO. OK, I’ll give him that. He probably would have done equally well in any civilian occupation he chose. He obviously is a bright man. But being ex-military lifer doesn’t give anybody any special aura that I have to bow down to in awe.
I know a lot of teachers I would give my respect to first.
I was thinking this morning over my morning coffee if mankind spent as much time, talent, money, effort and respect for those who make peace as it does for those who make war, it would be a lot better world.
I respect the military, I did my time in it. But I don’t hold it is any higher esteem than I do any other profession.
Dennis,
Most people that “just did their time” in the military, usually don’t have respect for Senior NCO’s until they by chance get their themselves and understand all the sacrifice and hard times it takes to get to that point.
Besides, Hank has proven himself again in Civilian life. A leader, active in his community, organizer of events like his “herding” shows, sets up blog meets and has a fine family, along with a gainfully employed job and second career.
get their=get there
J R sings…
“And they call it puppy loooove.
JR..you just won’t believe the truth, will you? I was in Topeka yesterday at Washington Days (Ramada Inn, heard the gov speak as well as others) yet I see that Regular was posting last night.
Course, facts don’t matter to you. You have your tiny little hatefull immature mind convinced of your fantasy.
Naw JR, it’s called respect and paying compliments to a person.
You should try it some day.
clyde,
Even “better” is Hank Price’s: “Screw the IPCC and the [Senator] ‘Inhoff’ list.”
So Hank said “screw” the 600+ scientists who wrote the report at http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
And he also said “screw” all of the scientists who agree with the IPCC reports.
Maybe if Hank would try to think, instead of insulting, he would understand that ENSO and other factors cause short-term temperature fluctuations.
“I was in Iowa then… got to meet Kerry and Edwards at a rally in Sioux City…”
chas– Were they standing next to the Rev. Jackson and the guy who invented the Happy Face T-Shirt?
“Naw JR, it’s called respect and paying compliments to a person.”
Suck up. Brown-noser. Wannabe.
Take your pick.
“Regular” wants to be seen as one of the “Boys,” so he will suck up to anyone on the Right.
Like a little boy.
Hey, McCreepy, got a date with your 3D blow up doll tonight?
“Maybe if Hank would try to think, instead of insulting, he would understand that ENSO and other factors cause short-term temperature fluctuations.”
Yeah cosmos, those darned oscillations, they cause those short-term temperature fluctuations every year.
Darn those oscillations!
(chortles)
BTW, JR..I was at a class this afternoon, getting my food handler’s card renewed (so I can volunteer at the Lord’s Diner) from 12:30 to 2:30. Yet, I see that Regular was posting during that time.
Once again…facts don’t matter to you, do they? Your mind is made up by your fantasy, and you refuse to consider facts.
No Fleet…
And if Phillip Brownlee believes the IPCC reports, Hank Price basically said: “Screw Phillip Brownlee”.
That’s Hank Price’s way of making the WE Blog “a little more civil”.
JimmyMac posted,
“Yeah cosmos, those darned oscillations, they cause those short-term temperature fluctuations every year.
ENSO causes warming, cooling, or “neutral” effects during different intervals.
Some temperature graphs include the times of El Nino, La Nina, and volcanic eruptions like Mt. Pinatubo.
Like the 98 El Nino? :)
btw,
The 1998 El Nino event caused an estimated 16% of the world’s reef systems to die. Wikipedia
Imagine that, natural phenomena causing reef systems to die. And cosmos told us it was Global Warming!
Bad cosmos!
I said all that Regular. I still have the highest respect for Sgt. Major England, and Sgt. Major Einwald.
As individuals. They didn’t look down their noses at me because I was doing a hitch, they considered me a soldier along with them. As did Lt. Col. Heckendorn and the other officers I worked for.
On the other hand, there were a couple of Top Three jerkoffs (and a couple of captains) I wouldn’t go across the street to spit on.
What I’m saying, and you don’t seem to want to hear, is that class is as class does. You may have to obey the rank, after all RHIP, but rank doesn’t make you any better than anyone else.
Old, (2000) but shows ENSO effects on global temperatures. Graph is near bottom of page,
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/causecc/
“Global-mean monthly temperature for the period 1980-1999, showing the effects of El Niño (EN) and La Niña (LN).
At the global scale, the effects of the Pinatubo eruption masked the warming induced by the 1991/92 El Niño event, although the regional impacts of that El Niño event did occur.”
Another graph,
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:Short_Instrumental_Temperature_Record_png
Must be a Democrat:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/01/when-pigs-fly-letter-urges-deceased-potbelly-to-register-to-vote/
When Pigs Fly? Letter Urges Deceased Potbelly to Register to Vote
WINTER HAVEN, Fla. — ‘Tis the season for mudslinging, and no one knows that better than Pamela Winston, who recently received a letter encouraging her deceased potbellied pig Princess to register to vote, MyFoxTampaBay.com reported.
The correspondence, addressed to “Princess Winston,” was part of the Washington, D.C.-based Voter Participation Center’s efforts targeting unmarried, unregistered women in two states, including Florida, where Pamela Winston lives.
Bad news for Hillary. Her trick has backfired:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/01/report-kenyan-elders-may-demand-clinton-pay-fine-of-cattle-for-photo-smear/
Report: Kenyan Elders May Demand Clinton Pay Cattle Fine for Photo Smear
Just when Hillary Clinton started swimming in campaign donations, she could be facing down a hefty fine. This time in the currency of cattle.
Reuters reports that Kenyan elders are considering imposing a fine — traditionally payable in goats, cattle or camels — on the New York senator over the photo that surfaced earlier this week showing rival Barack Obama in traditional robes during his 2006 visit to Kenya. The Web site Drudge Report posted the photo Monday and said it was provided by Clinton staffers.
Though Clinton denied she had anything to do with the photo’s circulation, the Reuters article said Wajir elders would file a complaint with the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi and pursue an investigation.
That’s fine Dennis.
What I’m saying that Hank’s saltiness from be in the Navy, made him a better man. BTW, being salty is a good term if you’re a squid. :D
I was giving the man his due respect. Some appear to have problems with me doing that.
I don’t have any problem with saying it. Hank is probably too modest to swallow that oblong pill, but I bet he agrees that being a Senior NCO, made him a better man in the long haul of life.
Would they allow Hillary to pay in cattle FUTURES?
“When myself and others took them to task, they folded like a house of cards as we knew they would.”
It’s true! James does live in a fantasy world. Probably better than him facing the truth, though – so you can’t blame.
Holy cow… big corporate industrial food subsidy farm bill policies penalize growing fresh vegetables for local markets!!!???
“The commodity farm program effectively forbids farmers who usually grow corn or the other four federally subsidized commodity crops (soybeans, rice, wheat and cotton) from trying fruit and vegetables. Because my watermelons and tomatoes had been planted on “corn base” acres, the Farm Service said, my landlords were out of compliance with the commodity program.
I’ve discovered that typically, a farmer who grows the forbidden fruits and vegetables on corn acreage not only has to give up his subsidy for the year on that acreage, he is also penalized the market value of the illicit crop, and runs the risk that those acres will be permanently ineligible for any subsidies in the future.”
READ MORE: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/opinion/01hedin.html?ex=1362114000&en=798dd09f9dd9f25b&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/opinion/01hedin.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching
“The effects from thermal stress are likely to be exacerbated under future scenarios by the gradual acidification of the world’s oceans.
Even under a moderate warming scenario (A1T, 20C by 2100, corals on the GBR are very likely to be exposed to regular summer temperature that exceed the thermal thresholds observed over the past 20 years. (Done et al 2003)” [13]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral#Environmental_effects
“Ocean acidification, caused by dissolution of carbon dioxide in the water that lowers pH, is currently occurring in the surface waters of the world’s oceans due to increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide.
Lowered pH reduces the ability of corals to produce calcium carbonate skeletons, and at the extreme, results in the dissolution of those skeletons entirely.
Without deep and early cuts in anthropogenic CO2, scientists fear that ocean acidification may inevitably result in the severe degradation or destruction of coral species and ecosystems.”
Here’s a story that has to do with the actual science behind the El Nino coral scare.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/01/010129064804.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080211132843.htm
This is a La Nina year. That spanish is tricky
I’ve discovered that typically, a farmer who grows the forbidden fruits and vegetables on corn acreage not only has to give up his subsidy for the year on that acreage
What you’ve discovered may be true, but it’s not important. Vegtable acreages are typically much smaller due to higher labor needs than corn acreages, so even if the vegetables were planted on corn acreages, the effect would be neglible. By the way, corn is a vegetable.
““When myself and others took them to task, they folded like a house of cards as we knew they would.”
This is admission of your use of multiple nics.
After being gone for so long last year, I was amazed on posting again at the crop of “new” cons.
I even bought into it for a while.
So I get to asking myself, is it possible the blog worked pretty much the way it did and then suddenly had a weird poster discrepancy shift in so short a time?
Nope. And with maybe a few exceptions I can’t think of right now, I think “JM” is responsible for every single new con poster on this blog since last year. Look at today. Starting early on and steady through the day a continuous con supply.
That’s really sad for you “Regular”. It was such a nice day.
you are soooo wrong it is pathetic, JR. What, can’t you believe there is more than one person who might disagree with your holy opinion?
Like I said upthread…I was in Topeka yesterday afternoon and last night, nowhere near a computer. Yet, I see that Regular posted last night.
Ramada Inn, Topeka. One of the more popular hospitality rooms was the Teamsters–they had great shrimp. The banquet started around 6:35, and didn’t end until amost 9.
I was there, JR…makes it impossible for me to be one of the multiple nics. Course, you refuse to recognize facts when they are plainly in front of you.
Every Conservative is Regular.
I’m Regular.
Taz you are Regular.
AmWay is Regular.
Nathan is Regular.
Hank is Regular.
GMC is Regular.
Econ is Regular.
Fleetwood is Regular.
Sol is Regular.
Hud is Regular.
There really are so many I can’t remember them all.
Regular, oh I mean, I am such a genius I can post constantly with 20 or more different names!
I’m not indicting Hank, Nathan, GMC, Paulthecon or sol.
I’ve met outlander. I saw that Hank met ksgrm.
Outside that? I got no reason to think they aren’t all “JM” constructs.
“Max” used to be pretty hard to pin down.
But lately, he lapsed into scripture and pirate lingo. Dead giveaway.
And if there are con posters who get unfairly thought to be a fake, they’ve no one but “JM” in his many nics to blame.
Or,
JR is just a turd blossom that stinks up a thread every time he writes something.
“Every Conservative is Regular.”
Are you sure? I thought every consevative was James.
But then I am easily confused.
Actually, the real Regular must be laughing his ass off every time someone else gets credit (blame) for being him.
I mean, really, you Libs are complimenting the hell out of Regular by accusing him of being the author of EVERY conservative post.
Come on Regular, tell us how fun this is for you. How many times do you laugh at the Libs every day?!?
BTW, it’s also hillarious whenever someone blames Regular for something Max posted! And there’s a few Cons here I know personally, when they get blamed for being Regular, I have a good laugh then too!
The joke is on the Radical Leftists minority circle here that has no clue as to the numbers that oppose them!
It’s worse then Custer at his last stand, worse then the Alamo. Worse then Sherman’s march through Georgia.
And I don’t care if “JM/James/Republican/Kansas/Regular” posts under a hundred nics.
But when one of them takes a swing at me, I feel fair considering and throwing light on the source.
Me I’ve just the one nic. I’ve fought for the integrity of nics as opposed to their casual exchange. I believe the nic switcher has made his opposite opinion known and abudantly demonstrated.
Saves me a lot of posting time Max.
I can do other things and still get credit. :)
“Shiver me timbers if there are that many radicals in America.”
OOPS! “Max”
I’ts little stuff like that gives him away. And when he has to rmember so many personas, I’m sure it is easy to slip up.
Here’s a lesson from History. If you don’t finnish the war you are in, you will have to refight it again.
As General Patton moved through France in August 1944, he noted the terrain they were covering was taken by American troops just 26 years before in WWI, and here they were fighting for the same ground again.
In 1945, Patton warned that the Russians should be pushed back out of Eastern Europe to their original pre-war border.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1017644/posts
Had Patton been permitted to drive the Soviets from Europe, millions of people would have been spared decades of abject oppression, and the criminal elite that continues to dominate most of eastern and central Europe might never have come to power. Patton understood, and warned his superiors, that if the Soviets were allowed to consolidate their grip, “we have failed the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!” Patton, an honorable and patriotic man, was apparently unable to accept the fact that while he and his soldiers fought to liberate their fellow men from tyranny, those above him in policy-making positions were seeking to control the world, not to emancipate it. Thus Patton was traduced in the servile press as a covert “Nazi sympathizer” and stripped of his command shortly before his fatal automobile accident on December 9, 1945.
It took 44 years of Cold War with the Soviet Union before Eastern Europe was free from brutal Soviet communist control.
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Should America pull-out of Iraq now, how long will it be before we have to go back and take the same ground again? How long will it be before we have to fight Iran?
We should stay until the job is done. The job is done win peace is won.
Well he caught us Max.
You and I are the only people in the world that say “Shiver me Timbers.”
:roll:
JimmyMac posted,
“I can do other things and still get credit.”
You get “credit” for being a nic-switcher, and a liar.
JimmyMac deserves that “credit”, because he is personally responsible for what he is on this blog.
KU is KICKING K-STATES BUTT!!!
82-11
Beasley had two fouls in first two minutes.
Rock Chalk!!!!!!!
Oops. Transposition of numbers.
28 to 11.
Max
Posted March 1, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
Don’t hide behind the dictionary Chas, I’m arguing with you. And your attempted deflections are not working. Your words are visible to all.
I am not aruging with your definitions.
Chas, you are truly stupid. Not ignorant. Stupid.
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This is just toooo rich…. All I did was post the links to TWO definitions…. And Max says he is arguing with ME?? But Max, old man, pull it together!! I didnt even go after you till you challenged the damn dictionary!! Good Grief!!
Just cant fix stupid!!!
And neither Max nor James knows that the date listed with a Word in Webster’s is the date the word is first defined in Webster’s… NOT the date of the current definition!! And here I never thought my dissertation class would be worth anything!! LOL Thank you K-State!!
Another lesson from Gen Patton:
In April 1945, the Third Army had crossed the Rhine, rolled across Germany, and were within 50 miles of Berlin, when Patton’s superiors issued a nearly inexplicable order: He was ordered to withdraw 100 miles west, over captured territory. The vacuum was quickly filled by the Red Army, which swarmed over Czechoslovakia and eastern Germany.
“This war stopped right where it started,” observed Patton during a closed, off-the-record press conference on May 8, 1945. “Right in the Hun’s backyard which is now Hitler’s graveyard. But that’s not the end of this business by any means. What the tin-soldier politicians in Washington and Paris have managed to do today is another story you’ll be writing for a long while…. They have allowed us to kick hell out of one b****** and at the same time forced us to help establish a second one as evil or more evil than the first. We have won a series of battles, not a war for peace. We’re headed down another long road to losing another peace.”
“Should America pull-out of Iraq now, how long will it be before we have to go back and take the same ground again? How long will it be before we have to fight Iran?
We should stay until the job is done. The job is done win peace is won.”
I believe James is here advocating for the imperial conquest of any desirable part of the world by the United States.
Fortunately, lunatics like him won’t have a say for much longer.
Oh and Patton was an over credited, poor general. He wasn’t called blood and guts for no reason. An attempt by the US to fight the Soviet Union in 1945 would have resulted in millions more deaths.
Such a war would not have been winnable for the US without the use of nuclear weapons. Even with that, the fighting would likely still be going on today.
The US played a secondary role in the defeat of Germany only. The Soviet Union would have beat them without us.
Just read up thread.
Looks like Max beotch slapped Chas today.
I’ll modify that last.
The Soviet Union would LIKELY have beaten Germany without us.
Germany’s technical superiority might have prevailed. But it would have been a war that would have lasted certainly into the 50’s.
Max Posted March 1, 2008 at 7:35 pm
“Every Conservative is Regular.
I’m Regular.
Taz you are Regular.
AmWay is Regular.
Nathan is Regular.
Hank is Regular.
GMC is Regular.
Econ is Regular.
Fleetwood is Regular.
Sol is Regular.
Hud is Regular.”
Darn it Max….why can’t I be Regular, I want to be him too.
Chas, I cannot define every word in your definitions for you. You really need to retake English.
Oh, and JR is a suck puppet.
That is all.
And back to the lessons of History…
Sorry Boxlock, I didn’t forget you, there are just so many me’s out there, that Regular, er I mean I can’t keep track.
Dang Regular, we be worse then Sybil.
Yeah I remember “Max” trying to create the impression I was a construct when I started posting again.
Now I know why.
Chas won’t let it go! He does this EVERY time he is caught with his pants down.
Prediction: We will see posts on the dictionary until 2 AM.
And Boxlock my feelings are hurt!
You left me out!
I AM REGULAR TOO!!
Wikipedia
Liberal Party is the name of dozens of political parties around the world. It usually designates a party that is ideologically liberal, meaning that they advocate individual rights and civil liberties, and sometimes left wing, meaning that they are egalitarian and believe in the redistribution of wealth from rich to poor. However, there are also some Liberal Parties which subscribe to classical liberalism and therefore support a mostly unregulated free market.
J R,
I might be wrong, but I vaguely remember a claim long ago, that JimmyMac was not the “grumpy old cripple” — because the “cripple” was a 2nd amendment gun rights nut, and JimmyMac was not.
It’s just a thought… since “Max” has many post re gun rights, like 1:18 pm, 1:31 pm, and 1:40 pm upthread.
Hank Price
Posted March 1, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
You chicken shits know who you are.
Good night; Good luck;
God bless; whatever you
conceive God to be!
Blessings all!!
Long day tomorrow!!
JR at 8:40 and 8:40 you simultaneously stated your Ignorance and Utter Hate for America at the same time.
Congratulations.
Yeah cosmos.
“JM” in his many nics is also a gun nut.
And while he could also be called a grouchy old cripple, the trouble he causes here caused an innocent weirdo to get accused of being him by mistake. I’d be sorry for my part in THAT confusion.
But the victim was not a particularly savory character. Perhaps why “JM” used that person’s actual name in a few posts here.
That would be 8:40 and 8:44.
JimmyMac posted March 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm
“Imagine that, natural phenomena causing reef systems to die. And cosmos told us it was Global Warming!
Bad cosmos!”
JimmyMac should’ve posted “Bad scientists!”, to the scientists who warn about damage to coral in the future, like in chapter 11 at,
http://www.ipcc-wg2.org/
Maybe JimmyMac will write a scientific paper that explains why those scientists are wrong?
Of course, that’ll be after he finishes his paper supporting E. G. Beck’s bogus CO2 claims.
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten.htm
“The Forgotten Man”
By William Graham Sumner.1
The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C’s interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man.
For once let us look him up and consider his case, for the characteristic of all social doctors is, that they fix their minds on some man or group of men whose case appeals to the sympathies and the imagination, and they plan remedies addressed to the particular trouble; they do not understand that all the parts of society hold together, and that forces which are set in action act and react throughout the whole organism, until an equilibrium is produced by a re-adjustment of all interests and rights. They therefore ignore entirely the source from which they must draw all the energy which they employ in their remedies, and they ignore all the effects on other members of society than the ones they have in view. They are always under the dominion of the superstition of government, and, forgetting that a government produces nothing at all, they leave out of sight the first fact to be remembered in all social discussion – that the State cannot get a cent for any man without taking it from some other man, and this latter must be a man who has produced and saved it. This latter is the Forgotten Man.
The friends of humanity start out with certain benevolent feelings toward “the poor,” “the weak,” “the laborers,” and others of whom they make pets. They generalize these classes, and render them impersonal, and so constitute the classes into social pets. They turn to other classes and appeal to sympathy and generosity, and to all the other noble sentiments of the human heart. Action in the line proposed consists in a transfer of capital from the better off to the worse off. Capital, however, as we have seen, is the force by which civilization is maintained and carried on. The same piece of capital cannot be used in two ways. Every bit of capital, therefore, which is given to a shiftless and inefficient member of society, who makes no return for it, is diverted from a reproductive use; but if it was put into reproductive use, it would have to be granted in wages to an efficient and productive laborer. Hence the real sufferer by that kind of benevolence which consists in an expenditure of capital to protect the good-for-nothing is the industrious laborer. The latter, however, is never thought of in this connection. It is assumed that he is provided for and out of the account. Such a notion only shows how little true notions of political economy have as yet become popularized.
There is an almost invincible prejudice that a man who gives a dollar to a beggar is generous and kind-hearted, but that a man who refuses the beggar and puts the dollar in a savings bank is stingy and mean. The former is putting capital where it is very sure to be wasted, and where it will be a kind of seed for a long succession of future dollars, which must be wasted to ward off a greater strain on the sympathies than would have been occasioned by a refusal in the first place. Inasmuch as the dollar might have been turned into capital and given to a laborer who, while earning it, would have reproduced it, it must be regarded as taken from the latter. When a millionaire gives a dollar to a beggar the gain of utility to the beggar is enormous, and the loss of utility to the millionaire is insignificant. Generally the discussion is allowed to rest there. But if the millionaire makes capital of the dollar, it must go upon the labor market, as a demand for productive services. Hence there is another party in interest – the person who supplies productive services. There always are two parties. The second one is always the Forgotten Man, and any one who wants to truly understand the matter in question must go and search for the Forgotten Man. He will be found to be worthy, industrious, independent, and self-supporting. He is not, technically, “poor” or “weak”; he minds his own business, and makes no complaint. Consequently the philanthropists never think of him, and trample on him.
We hear a great deal of schemes for “improving the condition of the working-man.” In the United States the farther down we go in the grade of labor, the greater is the advantage which the laborer has over the higher classes. A hod-carrier or digger here can, by one day’s labor, command many times more days’ labor of a carpenter, surveyor, book-keeper, or doctor than an unskilled laborer in Europe could command by one day’s labor. The same is true, in a less degree, of the carpenter, as compared with the book-keeper, surveyor, and doctor. This is why the United States is the great country for the unskilled laborer. The economic conditions all favor that class. There is a great continent to be subdued, and there is a fertile soil available to labor, with scarcely any need of capital. Hence the people who have the strong arms have what is most needed, and, if it were not for social consideration, higher education would not pay. Such being the case, the working-man needs no improvement in his condition except to be freed from the parasites who are living on him. All schemes for patronizing “the working classes” savor of condescension. They are impertinent and out of place in this free democracy. There is not, in fact, any such state of things or any such relation as would make projects of this kind appropriate. Such projects demoralize both parties, flattering the vanity of one and undermining the self-respect of the other.
For our present purpose it is most important to notice that if we lift any man up we must have a fulcrum, or point of reaction. In society that means that to lift one man up we push another down. The schemes for improving the condition of the working classes interfere in the competition of workmen with each other. The beneficiaries are selected by favoritism, and are apt to be those who have recommended themselves to the friends of humanity by language or conduct which does not betoken independence and energy. Those who suffer a corresponding depression by the interference are the independent and self-reliant, who once more are forgotten or passed over; and the friends of humanity once more appear, in their zeal to help somebody, to be trampling on those who are trying to help themselves.
Trades-unions adopt various devices for raising wages, and those who give their time to philanthropy are interested in these devices, and wish them success. They fix their minds entirely on the workmen for the time being in the trade, and do not take note of any other workmen as interested in the matter. It is supposed that the fight is between the workmen and their employers, and it is believed that one can give sympathy in that contest to the workmen without feeling responsibility for anything farther. It is soon seen, however, that the employer adds the trades-union and strike risk to the other risks of his business, and settles down to it philosophically. If, now, we go farther, we see that he takes it philosophically because he has passed the loss along on the public. It then appears that the public wealth has been diminished, and that the danger of a trade war, like the danger of a revolution, is a constant reduction of the well-being of all. So far, however, we have seen only things which could lower wages – nothing which could raise them. The employer is worried, but that does not raise wages. The public loses, but the loss goes to cover extra risk, and that does not raise wages.
A trades-union raises wages (aside from the legitimate and economic means notice in Chapter VI) by restricting the number of apprentices who may be taken into the trade. This device acts directly on the supply of laborers, and that produces effects on wages. If, however, the number of apprentices is limited, some are kept out who want to get in. Those who are in have, therefore, made a monopoly, and constituted themselves a privileged class on a basis exactly analogous to that of the old privileged aristocracies. But whatever is gained by this arrangement for those who are in is won at a greater loss to those who are kept out. Hence it is not upon the masters nor upon the public that trades-unions exert the pressure by which they raise wages; it is upon other persons of the labor class who want to get into the trades, but, not being able to do so, are pushed down into the unskilled labor class. These persons, however, are passed by entirely without notice in all the discussions about trades-unions. They are the Forgotten Men. But, since they want to get into the trade and win their living in it, it is fair to suppose that they are fit for it, would succeed at it, would do well for themselves and society in it; that is to say, that, of all persons interested or concerned, they most deserve our sympathy and attention.
The cases already mentioned involve no legislation. Society, however, maintains police, sheriffs, and various institutions, the object of which is to protect people against themselves – that is, against their own vices. Almost all legislative effort to prevent vice is really protective of vice, because all such legislation saves the vicious man from the penalty of his vice. Nature’s remedies against vice are terrible. She removes the victims without pity. A drunkard in the gutter is just where he ought to be, according to the fitness and tendency of things. Nature has set up on him the process of decline and dissolution by which she removes things which have survived their usefulness. Gambling and other less mentionable vices carry their own penalties with them.
Now, we never can annihilate a penalty. We can only divert it from the head of the man who has incurred it to the heads of others who have not incurred it. A vast amount of “social reform” consists in just this operation. The consequence is that those who have gone astray, being relieved from Nature’s fierce discipline, go on to worse, and that there is a constantly heavier burden for the others to bear. Who are the others? When we see a drunkard in the gutter we pity him. If a policeman picks him up, we say that society has interfered to save him from perishing. “Society” is a fine word, and it saves us the trouble of thinking. The industrious and sober workman, who is mulcted of a percentage of his day’s wages to pay the policeman, is the one who bears the penalty. But he is the Forgotten Man. He passes by and is never noticed, because he has behaved himself, fulfilled his contracts, and asked for nothing.
The fallacy of all prohibitory, sumptuary, and moral legislation is the same. A and B determine to be teetotalers, which is often a wise determination, and sometimes a necessary one. If A and B are moved by considerations which seem to them good, that is enough. But A and B put their heads together to get a law passed which shall force C to be a teetotaler for the sake of D, who is in danger of drinking too much. There is no pressure on A and B. They are having their own way, and they like it. There is rarely any pressure on D. He does not like it, and evades it. The pressure all comes on C. The question then arises, Who is C? He is the man who wants alcoholic liquors for any honest purpose whatsoever, who would use his liberty without abusing it, who would occasion no public question, and trouble nobody at all. He is the Forgotten Man again, and as soon as he is drawn from his obscurity we see that he is just what each one of us ought to be.
NOTES:
1 William Graham Sumner (1840-1910) was a Professor of Political Economy and of Sociology at Yale. In the book in which I found this essay (Macmillan, 1916), the editors — English Professors Berdan, Schultz and Joyce of Yale — wrote a short introductory paragraph, as follows: “This brilliant essay by Professor Sumner illustrates the effective use of the deductive structure. In two paragraphs defining who is the Forgotten Man, the general principle is stated so fully that the reader unconsciously accepts it. But once the reader has accepted this principle, it is applied to the consideration of trades unions and temperance legislation, with startling results. The essay, then, consists in the statement of a general principle, followed by two illustrations. Just as the form resolves itself into a simple arrangement, so the style is simple. There is no attempt at rhetorical exaggeration, no appeal to the emotions. It does read, and it is intended to read, as an ordinary exercise of the logical faculty. This mathematical effect is gained by the device of using the A and B that are associated in the mind with school problems, And the brilliance of the essay lies in the apparent inevitability with which the author reaches conclusions widely differing from conventional views. Since the importance of the essay lies exactly in these applications, actually the structure approaches the deductive type.
[See portrait of Sumner from "The Warren J. Samuels Portrait Collection at Duke University."]
humm….
So many paranoid Radical Lefts…
Max,
Your 9:32 pm post is why they put scroll wheels on computer “mice”. Six quick, easy detents (pages) on the wheel, and I’m past your long, boring, out-of-date post.
Yawn
JimmyMac,
When you finish your scientific paper supporting E. G. Beck’s bogus CO2 claims, post it on your TypePad blog, and email it to Marc Morano.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano
“Marc Morano is communications director for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe,…
…
Morano was “previously known as Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Man in Washington,’ as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, …”
With your IH degree, Compuserve sysop experience, etc., Senator Inhofe might update his “400″ list to “401″?
But considering Hank “screw the [Senator] ‘Inhoff’ list” Price’s comment… maybe you shouldn’t bother?
Guess cosmos isn’t tired of ejaculating his Alarmist spew on the blog yet.
Wow what a MESS!!
The Forgotten Man is a man of straw, easily consumed by a wayward spark of a match. Let us then do away with all matches, so as not to burn up the straw Forgotten Man.
JimmyMac posted March 1, 2008 at 11:04 pm
“Guess cosmos isn’t tired of ejaculating his Alarmist spew on the blog yet.”
Obvious translation: JimmyMac cannot defend his incorrect opinions re AGW.
So he instead, (yet) again assists his friend Hank Price in making the WE Blog “a little more civil”, and “a place for the exchange of ideas and civil debate”. /sarcasm OFF.
Did JimmyMac learn the phrase “ejaculating his Alarmist spew” in his IH college science classes, many decades ago?
Cosmos,
Keep posting. Nobody is listening to you.
The sky is falling – is falling on deaf ears.
(yawn)
Notice: Blog Monitor = B M Nuff said!!
Blog Monitor,
You are correct,
‘The sky IS falling’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/the-sky-is-falling/
Regular, I apologize for missing your earlier post directed at me. I was only able to pop in for a few short and missed it. But here’s my reply, as I don’t want you to think I was ignoring you or agreeing with you either.
But I did it to prove a point, that the Radical Left couldn’t take their own medicine when handed back to them.
As I think we’ve all seen, nastiness begets nastiness. My earlier appeal for posters to ignore inflamatory posts was for both sides. I know as well as anyone how tempting it is to let fly with the same or worse retort, but is it worth it? Does it make one feel like a bigger and better person? For maybe ten minutes maximum, then it disintegrates into the ridiculous. But obviously you, among many others, don’t see that, therefore I have to assume that you all enjoy it.
CapnAmerica for one, has posted under many nics and still does. He got called out for it early in the blog’s start. Your favorite posters RD, WSClark, JR , Steven Davis and CapnAmerica were constantly harassing posters with profanity, hate speech and false accusations.
As have you, Regular, admittedly under more than one nic. I can’t honestly say I know who has posted under what nics. I don’t bother asking. Harassment has come from both sides and appears to be pretty even at times. Gang style piling on is immature, at best, no matter who is doing it.
Those are your heroes RD, these are the ones that disrupt the blog the most.
My heroes? Very amusing that you elevate yourself enough to know who my heroes are. For the record, none of the above are anywhere near hero material for me. But thanks for trying. :)
RD, do me a favor, ask WSClark, JR and CapnAmerica to sit out for a week and see what happens. Tell them not to come back using false nics – you know, stay away from the blog entirely for a week.
Several replies jump to mind. First, why would I do you a favor? Second, I believe WSClark and CapnAmerican both stayed away for well over a week, during which time you and others made disparaging remarks about them and the rest of us. Third, you’re all adults, so I doubt anything I would “tell” others to do would actually mean anything. Fourth, and as you all ARE adults, why not act like it, instead of making excuses, because that’s all you did with your post. Point and blame and excuse, on both sides.
Here’s my take on the nic switching problem, and my opinion only, but you all deserve to know where I stand.
Whether you post as Joe Blow or Jill Blow, when you’re actually John Doe, matters very little to me. So many of the nastiness comes from those nics that may or may not belong to our regular group of posters. What some of those nics do is attempt to hide the identity of some of the worst remarks. A bit juvenile, I think.
I have better things to do than try to discover if Regular is Taz or Max, or if JR is Steven Davis or Capn or WSClark. (Actually, I do know the latter, since I have met most of them in person, so not a fair analogy.) If you want to make @sses of yourselves, you’re free to do so. Just don’t expect me to cheer any of you on. Except for one or two extreme cases in the last few months, I don’t bother taking sides with the petty personal crap. As far as I’m concerned, you’re all as bad as the other. I consider each nic/name as a separate person. After all, what difference does it make in the long run? The rhetoric, whether said under one name or another is the same.
I do find it rather strange that the switch and bait is done by the male posters–on both sides. The females don’t seem to bother with it. Maybe when you boys grow up, you’ll be more adult. Wishful thinking, I’m sure.
So let’s boil it down to one statement. If you post in an adult way, whether I agree or disagree, I don’t mind replying, but if you want to play “big bad” games, you’re on your own.
Since cosmos is not a scientist, why is he asking me to provide a scientific paper on certain matters?
For one, cosmos doesn’t have the scientific background to even understand what would be written and even if he did, the first words written by cosmos would be:
The denier blah blah has false blah blah and lies about blah blah.
cosmos will never become a scientist or one that understands science because he has no objectivity.
cosmos is nothing more than a show boating huckster, that uses hyperlinks to make himself look intelligent.
cosmos reminds me of those infomercial Hucksters on late night TV that says scientific evidence has proven, when in fact they have proven nothing other than they no how to hawk their wares with misinformation to misinformed viewers.
JimmyMac’s scientific(sic) support of E.G. Beck’s bogus CO2 claim?
He thinks fires during World War II caused it.
Ignore the fact that much more CO2 has been released from the huge amount of fossil fuels burned more recently.
Ignore the fact that JimmyMac also cannot explain why global CO2 would drop rapidly after the 1940’s, as Beck claims.
But JimmyMac is able to post false ad hominems.
Yet another Radical Lib that hides in anonymity to hurl insults.
cosmos has no problem utilizing my name or versions of my name to mock and cast despair.
Until cosmos can stand on his own hide legs and publicly profess his beliefs by attaching his own name, then he has no credibility.
cosmos is a cowardly, stalking troll creeping forth from the shadows, calling everyone who doesn’t agree with his alarmist hysteria a liar.
cosmos the coward, does not stand behind his beliefs, he hides in the shadows throwing greasy rocks tainted by his yellowed disposition.
hide legs = hind legs
“and cast despair.”
And just how far CAN you cast despair, Cosmos?
“tainted by his yellowed disposition.”
Projection about the condition of your underwear?
Careful JimmyMac, you’ll dislocate your shoulders doing all that wild arm flailing.
JimmyMac has more arm flailing, and false ad hominems, since he has no science to support the bogus claims from E. G. Beck.
‘More Nonsense about CO2′
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php
‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’
http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3
“It just isn’t possible for the CO2 concentration to change by that much in one year —- the difference corresponds to about 500 billion tons of carbon which is about the same amount of carbon in all plants in the entire world.”
cosmos failed anthropometric Global Warming Alarmist hypothetical research has many flaws which cosmos has admitted.
The Computer Climate Models (CCM’s) are in accurate, because there are huge amounts of science yet unknown that is NOT included in the CCM’s.
The Alarmists can only predict (that’s guessing) because they depend on partial facts and exclude huge amounts of observed data, exclude alternative theories if it does not meet their carbon dioxide speculations and generally have been a political sniping campaign to insure people invest in carbon credits which is a failed attempt monetarily and in climate change.
Even if we started in 1990, there would be no noticeable effects on the Climate because simply stated the effects of Climate is not fully understood and it is impossible to predict climate even three years from now.
An old Weatherman saying is “If you have to include two or more “if’s” in your statement, you are not making a prediction, you are simply guessing.”
That statement holds true with the Alarmist’s pseudo predictions, they have thousands of “if’s” in their statements.
How can anyone with common sense believe it.
JimmyMac,
With all of the wild arm-flailing that you’re doing, I hope you know a good chiropractor.