Obama does not need to be a messiah

obamajesus.jpgThe controversy about his pastor could actually be good for Barack Obama, because “too much idealism can blind a leader to reality as surely as too much ideology can,” wrote New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd. Also, his supporters had placed Obama on such a lofty pedestal that “any kind of blemish — even a parking ticket — was regarded as a major failing.” Obama “should be congratulated on the disappearance of the pedestal,” Dowd wrote. “Leaders don’t need to be messiahs.”

59 Comments

  1. ictbest
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    I guess Maureen Dowd just chalked one against Al Gore. That’s good.

  2. Phantom
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    “wrote NYT”, end of story.

  3. outlander
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Ah, so now the right Rev Wright mess is a good thing. O……..K.

    Slow down the spin, I’m getting dizzy!

  4. ksgrm
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Brownlee is making me dizzy too. If you buy this latest story I have some beachfront property in Arizona…

  5. lindainks55
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    A good and honest man who is intelligent, well spoken, thoughtful, with better ideas to take America to a better place is what Obama brings to Americans. And he even knows what is what and who is who in the Middle East, unlike the Republican Party presumptive nominee.

    I think the headline is correct! No messiah needed, he is the complete package.

  6. Regular
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Obama trauma is the latest rage. Of course, in a video 4 years ago, Obama stated he had no experience to run for President.

    His mentor/hero ‘duh Reverend Wright’ inspired his book is a racist who preaches that God should Damn America and he will not renounce him or quit this racist church.

    He is embroiled with a slumlord now on trial for fraud and conspiracy in federal court in Chicago.

    He hangs with ex-terrorists.

    Yeah, that certainly is

    CHANGE…

  7. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Agreed that no messiah is needed. However, if you and your supporters hold you out as a messiah, dont be surprised if that is the standard to which you are held.

    Dont wanna be the messiah? Fine. Then stop telling everyone you are. And get the message to your supporters too.

    I called it the other day. He and his have raised expectations to the point that ANY flaw is fatal.

  8. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Maybe he’s just gonna rely on hope and inspiration to make the spector of wright go away?

  9. Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    with better ideas to take America to a better place

    And what exactly are those ideas?

  10. lindainks55
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Bring our troops home. Offer all Americans affordable health care. Get rid of leaving all school children behind. Look at every signing statement and reverse the powers bushco have stolen. Give back to the people their constitutional protections. Make our government once more a transparent tool of WE THE PEOPLE. Check out his website for more. Wouldn’t take much to improve on what we’ve got. Luckily the Democratic Party offers two choices that are much better and will make America the country it was before bushco.

  11. lindainks55
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Although I’m quite disappointed with Senator Clinton right now. I’m on the wavering in support of her side.

  12. Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Offer all Americans affordable health care

    How?
    Where will the money come from?

    Get rid of leaving all school children behind

    And the DOE?

    Make our government once more a transparent tool of WE THE PEOPLE

    Pretty general. How is this to be accomplished? Exactly what will be transparent? What levels of government are we talking about?

    I can promise you the moon too Linda. It is the delivery and the plan that count.

  13. lindainks55
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Let’s watch together. And then we’ll talk when we have something concrete to speak of. Unless McCain wins, I expect great improvements. You can tell me that you warned me, told me so, etc. if warranted. Sol, I’m pretty sure Ron Paul isn’t going to be elected as POTUS. That doesn’t mean he won’t continue to contribute.

  14. Max
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Obama’s race and religion is all an intentional distraction to avoid discussions on his lack of experience and his positions on The Main Issues impacting the Government of America today.

    He’s a smooth talker for sure.

    Let’s guilt America into voting for him because he is black. It’s high time affirmative action reached this level.

    And Clinton, who would vote for her anyway? Way to many negatives for her.

    Getting back to the issues when?

  15. Max
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    I can promise you the moon too Linda. It is the delivery and the plan that count.
    ====================================================

    Amen. But we will never get down to the Devil in the Details, hell, we won’t even hear a discussion on The Issues at all!

  16. Nathan
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    I am not sure what is more distrubing…

    The fact that people considered Obama to be “perfect” before this mess over his Pastor

    OR

    The fact that they think the mess over his Pastor is a GOOD thing for Obama because it shows he isn’t perfect after all

    Wow!

  17. Rage
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Amen. But we will never get down to the Devil in the Details, hell, we won’t even hear a discussion on The Issues at all!

    This is no doubt precisely what the cons will want to happen in the general election. If a discussion of the issues actually happens, they lose.

  18. Max
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    These questions should always be asked of any Senator or Representative who is a candidate making promises while running for office:

    1) What exactly did you DO while you were a member of Congress, to accomplish the promises you are making today?

    2) Is your RECORD of what you have DONE, CONSISTENT with the promises you are making in your campaign today?

    The answers for most candidates are:

    1) Nothing.

    2) No. I’m just making shit up now promising the moon to the moon lovers, and the sun to the sun lovers. Whatever it takes to get elected, I will do. And I’ll change my position on any issue several times (even in the same day) if that’s what it takes to make my audience of the moment happy.

  19. Rage
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    The fact that people considered Obama to be “perfect” before this mess over his Pastor.

    I guess you’re too young to really remember Reagan. . .

  20. littlejohn
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    “) No. I’m just making shit up now promising the moon to the moon lovers, and the sun to the sun lovers. Whatever it takes to get elected, I will do. And I’ll change my position on any issue several times (even in the same day) if that’s what it takes to make my audience of the moment happy.”

    Unfortunately, that describes pretty much the political scene today. Worse, apparently people of all ages, of all backgrounds, of both parties, accept this pablum as real meat.

  21. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 8:49 am | Permalink

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    Why is it this whole thing is sounding more like 50s game shows and professional wrestling?

  22. Max
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Anybody who is really intelligent and qualified for POTUS, is smart enough not to want the job.

  23. Right Angle
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    It could be that the real reason why Barack Obama does not wear a US flag pin is because he could not find one with the inscription under the flag that reads “God D***n America”

  24. Mary Caruso
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    I like the way he thinks and how he handles controversy with intelligence, grace, and common sense. He lacks the baggage of Hill-Bill and he thinks outside the box, unlike McCain who is just going to be satisfied to run things as they are under Bush.
    How soon Obama’s detractors forget the love between Bush and Jerry Falwell. Or the image of Bill sitting in the front row of the church, clapping, singing, with tears rolling down his eyes right after his affair with Monica came to light. Hilary appears to have the same values as her husband because she was the “stand by your man” kinda’ woman after all.
    No…no hyprocrisy, hidden agendas, or phoniness there at all.

  25. Mary Caruso
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Like I said on the other thread…if we were judged by those in our own lives, we’d all be in big trouble.

  26. Posted March 20, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Max wants to “talk about the issues” and “what did the candidate DO.”

    Uh . . . okay, dude.

    George W. Bush and the RepubliCON majority

    Five years and one day of war in Iraq based on non-existent “tons and tons of Weapons of Mass Destruction”

    Suppressed studies showing that the Iraqi WMD did not exist. Continue to lie to this day that “the Democrats saw the same intelligence we did.”

    Spent half a trillion dollars on the War for Oil in Iraq, with conservative estimates of total cost in excess of three trillion dollars. This after the Bush administration repeatedly said the war would cost no more than 1.5 billion and Iraq would pay with oil revenue.

    Killed nearly 4,000 Americans in a war that was sold as lasting no longer than “six days, six weeks, I can’t imagine six months.” No end in sight.

    Presided over an economy in which the rich got massively richer, the poor poorer, and middle class wages fell. For the first five years of Bush’s presidency, the number of people living in poverty grew every year after falling every year under Clinton.

    Believed in “de-regulation” so strongly that regulators turned a blind eye to massive bad faith loans. This has directly resulted in the current recession, the bankruptcy of a major investment firm (Bear-Stearns), and the near-collapse of the housing market.

    Stock market indexes like the DJIA are hovering around just where they were when Bush took office in Jan 2001–no growth for nearly eight years. One of the worst periods of American stock funds since Nixon-Carter.

    The dollar has fallen against major currencies to levels unimaginable eight years ago — the Pound is $2 to 1, the Euro is over $1.5 to 1, even the long-suffering Canadian dollar is now stronger than ours.

    National debt has nearly doubled thanks to Bush’s budgets (passed by a compliant RepubliCON congress). It went from 5 Trillion in 2001 to over 9 Trillion today. As a percentage of GDP, it also increased.

    The worst terrorist attack on American soil took place nine months after Bush was selected president. This dispite the near sinking of the USS Cole just a few months before Bush took office.

    Bush fired US prosecutors who would not break the law by witch hunting Democrats during elections. Bush officials subpeoned by Congress over this matter simply refuse to appear.

    When called out for their lies that “Saddam Hussein sought uranium in Africa,” the Bush administration took petty vengance against Valerie Plame Wilson by exposing her CIA status. Her front company “Brewster-Jennings” was blown, putting in peril everyone associated with the CIA operation and destroying valuable contacts made over decades. Their primary mission, ironically, was finding Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    A special prosecutor followed the trail all the way to Scooter Libby, who simply perjured himself to protect Dick Cheney. Unsurprisingly, Libby’s sentence was commuted by Bush and his legal fees paid by PAC’s and special interests.

    ******

    So that’s the short-list: never-ending war, repudiation of the law, cronyism, a stunned and staggered economy, a debased and devalued currency.

    By any measure one can imagine, Bush remains the

    Worst.
    President.
    Ever.

  27. Mary Caruso
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    “By any measure one can imagine, Bush remains the

    Worst.
    President.
    Ever.”

    Ain’t that the truth..

  28. Max
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Yeah Capn, I want to talk about the CANDIDATES on The Issues.

    Bush isn’t a CANDIDATE, yet you want to keep talking about HIM.

    Where was Obama during this whole period you criticize? What specifically did Obama do during this same time period to address the problems you complain about?

  29. Mary Caruso
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Off to work at one of my 3 jobs….isn’t America wonderful?!?
    See ya on the flip side.

  30. Posted March 20, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    “Regular” sneered –

    “…duh Reverend Wright…”

    Racist scum.

    http://tinyurl.com/232csx

  31. in house
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Sure, experience is great and everyone wants it in a leader. But, it could also result in a “business as usual” approach that has not been recently successful. Remember,Lincoln and JFK didn’t have tons of experience going in either. Only former Presidents have experience being President, and no, that does not include their wives.

  32. Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Max–

    No doubt that you CONs want to run from Bush in this election cycle.

    It’s every patriotic American’s duty however to remind voters of what the RepubliCON party has done to our beloved country.

  33. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Re: CapnAmerica
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 9:57 am

    STHU. The only thing left is nuclear holcaust and he still has a bit over 10 months to go.

  34. TDT
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Fish – No, he doesn’t have to take it quite that far, he can just start another war, this time with Iran, and bankrupt this country financially and militarily before we can get someone else in there to clean up his mess.

  35. Komrade
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Hillary just passed up Obama in the polls and McCain leads them both.

    While the Democrats are eating each other for lunch, the GOP is gaining ground.

    If Obama thinks the thing with his pastor hit him – just wait until the Tony Rezko issue surfaces…if he gets the nomination. He calls it a “mistake” but the GOP will show it for the catastrophe it really is.

    A politician’s life is an open book and I pity the fool (Obama) who enters the race with so many skeletons in his closet that he can’t close the door.

    Fool.

  36. Jack C.
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    I don’t read the NYT because they do not objectively report news, they are just a tabloid for the far left, Why does the Eagle feel the need to quote them? Obama’s remaining supporters will vote for him no matter what he does, and if you’ve listened to his pastor/mentor you know who I’m talking about. The Rev. Wright is honest enough to speak his mind. The only people who attend that church are people who have similar beliefs, and are teaching their children those beliefs. If that’s what you want in a leader, then by all means vote for him.

  37. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Really, I was being facetious, TDT. I just didn’t want Bush to see all that, pat himself on the back as a ‘job well done’, and then try to beat his best game.

  38. Mom_of_5
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    quote “Mary Caruso
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
    Off to work at one of my 3 jobs….isn’t America wonderful?!?
    See ya on the flip side.” unquote

    As compared to say…Europe, where in many countries it is illegal to hold 2 jobs, make overtime, and most shops are required to close rather than remain open for a second shift? How about trying to do a do-it-yourself project there…where you have to be licensed to even purchase tools. How about the kids that don’t make the grades by middle school age…who will never have a shot at college, but have no choice other than a blue-collar trade?

    I am happy to live in a country where leftists haven’t managed to destroy us…yet.

  39. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Mom o’ 5. Talk to the German Wal-Mart workers. Even the scrubslut there makes a living wage. They can actually hire professionals instead of having to 1/2 fast things on their own.

  40. Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    When Bush ran for office he was announced as such a great moral Christian leader. As displayed in the documentary Jesus Camp people would actually pray to a cardboard cutout of him. Bush said God told him to run for office and recently he said his justification for invading Iraq was to spread his religion to the Iraqi people.

    As for Obama people just keep on bringing up the subject of him and religion so he has to respond. He’s been called an Atheist, a Muslim, and now attending a racist Christian church. It’s only the Republicans who oppose Obama who are demanding perfection, Obama supporters see his religion as a non-issue.

  41. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    It seems many countries in Europe have it completely backwards–a trickle UP economy. And we can all see how badly their currency is doing. How about their companies?

  42. cosmos
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Maureen Dowd at the NY Times invented the bogus ‘Love Story’ attack on Al Gore.

    Dowd and the NY Times are not reliable sources.

  43. Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    The NY Times reported Obama attended a sermon in Illinois while he was in D.C. The NY Times lost a lot of credibility when it started hiring more neo-cons to write for them. Dowd ought to stick to her fashion columns and Kristol ought to simply be fired for incompetence.

  44. Komrade
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s goin DOWN!

    Woo Hoo.

  45. TDT
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    It’s hard for me to joke about Bush and war anymore, because I am truly worried that he will do his best to start another one before he gets out of office. I believe he’s a bit insane, and part of that comes from being a dry drunk.

  46. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    I agree, TDT. For some reason he thinks the worse mess he gets us in the more we have to go with his man.

  47. TDT
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Well Fish, that’s Bush logic.

  48. ghotiphaze
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Corporate america logic. Give a substandard service at an exhorbitant rate and when you lose your client base just up your rates, diminish your service because the people ‘OWE YOU’.

  49. Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Y’all talkin’ ’bout a new war? Don’t look overseas folks, look south o’ the border. Clinton backs that one as well.

  50. Posted March 20, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Here come the links TDT:

    Clinton Calls for Escalation Against Venezuela

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103×343066

    Obama Glosses Over Colombian Attack in Ecuador; Clinton Calls for Escalation Against Venezuela

    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/05/7482/

  51. moe brand
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    If Obame is elected, we’ll have another Irac right in this country, with race and religious fighting. We must have someone who will take care of our nation’s business, and not be involved in all this petty political correct junk.
    An adult like McCain, who has experience is our best bet.

  52. parkay
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Amongst the tougher questions not asked in nationwide softball interviews with Barack Hussein
    Obamanation:
    “Didn’t you feel uncomfortable sitting for years with a congregation of Church of Christ apostates who repeatedly gave standing ovations to Rev. Wright’s separatist, extremist, anti-American rhetoric?”

  53. Posted March 20, 2008 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Question parkay will never answer:

    Why don’t you feel uncomfortable sitting for years with a congregation of phallo-centric, boy-twiddling, gay-bashing sexist homophobes?

  54. Posted March 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Good post, Doug.

    I noticed that too — the same people who said he studied at a “madrassa” (which btw is simply the arabic word for school — just as our word for school comes from the Yiddish/Jewish word “shule”), that he was Muslim are now saying he’s an extremist Christian.

    Their attacks aren’t based on any kind of fact — they’re just attacks.

  55. JC
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Their attacks aren’t based on any kind of fact — they’re just attacks.

    Capn America,

    The videos of Rev Wright sure looked factual to me.

  56. Mary Caruso
    Posted March 20, 2008 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Mom of 5…it’s pretty bad when it takes 3 jobs to pay the bills. You must be independantly weatlhy to be so out of touch with the cost of living in this country right now. Bush thinks those like me have it so good…but I’m just thankful that I can make enough money to keep my head above water..it’s those who live on fixed incomes or bust their butts for minimal pay that I feel for. For them there is no way to keep up with the rising cost of living, and it’s only going to get worse. I’m glad you’re unaffected and so optimistic about the way things are right now.

  57. Posted March 21, 2008 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Doesn’t anything socialistic make you want to throw up?
    (Like great public schools or health insurance for all?)

    How about Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes?

    Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.

    Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

    Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. …

    And so on.

    Not exactly planks in a Republican platform. Not exactly Donald Rumsfeld or Dick Cheney stuff.

    For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes. But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course that’s Moses, not Jesus. I haven’t heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere.

    “Blessed are the merciful” in a courtroom?
    “Blessed are the peacemakers” in the Pentagon? Give me a break!

    ~Kurt Vonnegut

  58. Mary Caruso
    Posted March 21, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    What about the “peacekeeper” missles? Do they count?

  59. Posted March 21, 2008 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    YES

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