Infidelity update: David Paterson, the brand-new governor of New York, responded to rumors by acknowledging he had an affair several years ago when his marriage was “going sour.†His wife says she was unfaithful, too. Meanwhile, a former New Jersey governor, “gay American†Jim McGreevey, claims he and his now-estranged wife had threesomes with a male aide for two years before McGreevey became governor; she denies it. Why do powerful people think their secrets will stay secret, especially those who live in the floodlight of the New York media? As for why fidelity seems such a rarity these days, this New York Times story notes that “sexual promiscuity is rampant throughout nature, and true faithfulness a fond fantasy.â€
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Right, stop having a kitten. There will be about one billion human sex acts today, all TRIVIAL unless one results in the second coming or a baby eventually capable of producing the unified theory. In fact, the second coming or the unified theory are why NATURE demands so many.
Oh, my - this is grotesque.
Do we REALLY have to hear about ALL the copulatory acts of ANYONE we elect - from ANY time in their history - for ANY reason?
It’s one thang for a high-ranking official to shell out lots and lots and LOTS of dollars to hookers. It’s another thing entirely to think we have the right to unlawful knowledge of every carnal cretinism everyone on the planet’s committed. That’s gross.
Maybe it’s my age. Maybe it’s the dwindling interest that accompanies my calcifying hormones. Hell, maybe it’s just good old-fashioned, born-again, bred-in-the-bones reticence. But reading this story sort of turned me off.
Here’s a hint to elected officials: Don’t spend $80,000 on whores - or devils with blue dresses. ‘Cause their incentives probably aren’t noble - any more than your aim.
But this sort of prurient voyeurism - count this chick out. Yechchchchch…….
Oh great Rhonda and the NYT’s, let’s now lower the standards of morality for human beings by comparing us to the animal kingdom.
Since the newspaper reports it: that makes it acceptable, and society can now lower it’s expectations for mankind to that of a goldfish.
Since it is only natural, maybe we should legalize all forms of sexual activity. Maybe we can get some carbon credits out all this copulating.
Door King, the point is that it’s not simply about the number of sex acts, it’s the fact that if a person can not keep the covenant they made with their spouse and with God they can’t keep it with anyone else.
A person that will lie to their spouse will lie to anyone and everyone. Is that the person we want making decisions that affect our lives, of course not.
O – What a different story the New York Times would have run if it had been a Republican!!
When advised of sexual hijinks involving Members of Parliament in an around Westmininster, Queen Victoria reportedly admonished the Honourabe Members…. “Do nothing to frighten the horses!”
Now Boxlock, that would make marriage a religious ceremony and put sanctity in it. It would mean marriage actually means something.
We can’t have any of THAT on a liberal blog.
The reichwing has ruined this discussion now by throwing in thier religious views about marriage.
Don’t you get it? Many of us could care less about your “religious” beliefs.
O – What a different story the New York Times would have run if it had been a Republican!!
Right Angle has this right. Republicans are held to a higher standard.
But it’s acceptable for liberals to compare their own behavior to that of birds, voles, and lesser apes.
Don’t you get it?
Actually, we do get it. Apparently you didn’t get it. :-)
They both have done a good job and made a difference. Now everyone is acting as though they were having an orgy in the state building. Who cares, people make mistakes, get over it.
Oedipus, oh I mean Apophis, okay take the God out of it. Doesn’t change a thing.
A man who betrays and can not be truthful with his spouse nor keep his pledge to that person is a liar.
Pity the poor person bonded in marrage to a person like Oedipus.
Please note the hateful, vindictive tone of Oedipus, indicative of a gravely troubled soul.
Get some help loser.
If a man (or woman) is not faithful to the bond held with their life time partner - the most intimate of relationships between two people, we should expect them to NOT break any other bonds?
That poor Dupre call girl, she won’t even make as much money as Monica. Girls Gone Wild found some old photos and won’t be paying her a mil. for a spread! Good news is inquiring minded Republicans will still get a look see!
Phantom pretty informed for not looking.
I don’t know how you avoided it. Her photo comes up when I logged onto a half dozen news sites.
Amway………I do get it. The right is never to be trusted. Everything that happens in the news brings the “persecution complex” out in your kind.
Boxlock……………….starting the personal name calling so early this morning?
For the record, my wife and I have been married Really, that is all that matters. It serves no purpose to attempt to access other’s marital situtation based on what the standards we have.
You see, this is the main reason I loathe the right, you are too damned judgmental of others. Boxlock is one of the biggest reichwing losers to post on this blog and it is YOU who needs professional help.
I don’t know how “REally” got in there…………
That should read “over 20 Years,”.
if a person can not keep the covenant they made with their spouse and with God
Uh, wouldn’t God know the covenant would be broken? Isn’t that sorta the definition of God? So if He allowed it in the first place, that makes it ok, right?
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A person that will lie to their spouse will lie to anyone and everyone. Is that the person we want making decisions that affect our lives, of course not
Now all of a sudden you’re worried about lies? Where’ve you been the last 5 years?
Apophis, the article at the link Rhonda provided insinuates the idea that any sexual behavior of the rich and powerful (in this case it happens to be democrats) is acceptable because birds, voles, and lesser apes are not faithful in their relationships.
Is this acceptable to you?
No Oedipus, you started the name calling with your, “The reichwing has ruined this discussion”, comment.
And I will continue posting my comments for a number of reasons, one of which is that it always brings out the pathetic nature of your character for others to witness. You are such an easy a mark to get a juvenile reactionary spontaneous combustion response out of, showing your lack of emotional control. Typical of the Demlibs. It clearly illustrates the shallowness of your left wing positions for everyone to see.
You are less relevant than silly-putty.
Amway……does the general truth about man’s sexual behavior bother you? It doesn’t bother me.
Boxlock calling ME irrelevant?
……….now THAT is funny!
This is all about the self-perceived righteousness of the reichwing. You just keep on trying to impose your mores on the rest of society. The more you try, the more extremist your views become.
I am proud of the Dem/Lib label you have placed on me. It is a badge of honor.
And I’m afraid children today are not going to enjoy silly-putty like we did as kids.
Remember flattening the putty on the Sunday comics?
Stretching the faces of Beetle Bailey, Dennis the Menace, Lil Abner, Little Lulu, and Casper.
With the downturn in newspaper sales, and I rarely see a kid with a comic book in their back pocket, will the kids will have to resort to pressing their silly-putty to computer screens?
“This is all about the self-perceived righteousness of the reichwing. You just keep on trying to impose your mores on the rest of society.”
This might surprise you (and seeing your comment about reichwing I wouldn’t be a bit surprised), but I see the article completely the other way around.
I see it as a lowering of expectations of the conduct of our elected officials to those of the animal world. An excuse for unethical or poor behavior.
I don’t see anything about republicans in either Rhonda’s or the NYT writings.
Oh and Oedipus, the content of your reactionary responses to my posts shows the variable nature of your morality. Typical of a Godless person.
Your’s is like smoke in the wind.
Apophis, did you answer my question with one of your own, and just forget to answer mine?
American Way
Posted March 19, 2008 at 7:23 am | Permalink
Apophis, the article at the link Rhonda provided insinuates the idea that any sexual behavior of the rich and powerful (in this case it happens to be democrats) is acceptable because birds, voles, and lesser apes are not faithful in their relationships.
Is this acceptable to you?
More judgements on the part of Boxlock, declaring I am now “Godless”.
American Way, the answer to your question, “Is this acceptable to you?” of Apophis would surely be that it depends on which way the wind is blowing at the moment. Or what the general attitude is at the moment when caught in a disgrace. Possibly, how can can it be spun to the offender’s advantage.
In other words spineless acceptance of anything convenient for him. A slave to his own emotion and lack of character.
Apophis
Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:44 am | Permalink
“The reichwing has ruined this discussion now by throwing in thier religious views about marriage.”
Isn’t that the whole point of Rhonda’s thread? Didn’t the editor write about marriage and unfaithfulness, and compare it to behavior in the animal world? Wasn’t it about a couple of democrat politicians?
By posting opinions about marriage, politicians, and behavior - that makes me “reichwing”? And by responding to the subject: How does that “ruin” this thread?
Just curious.
And I’m afraid children today are not going to enjoy silly-putty like we did as kids
Borax and WD40
Just for clarity, I did not call Apophis Godless, though I suspect that. I did say his attitude was typical of one who is Godless, there’s a difference. I have no idea what his relationship to God is, only he and God can judge that. Let’s hope it is closer than what seems apparent.
Republicans are held to a higher standard.
No, it’s just that the Republican antics of the past few years has numbed us to the need to rant and rave about yet another, no matter what political persuasion. Get serious. Nobody really cares, and all this false outrage by AmWay and Boxlock over the breaking of Godly vows may be a cover-up for their own infidelities.
Me thinks they doth protest too much. ;)
Fact: Men cheat on their wives. Women cheat on their husbands. Both occur, no matter how “Godly” they believe they are.
Oh and Oedipus
Sorry, that’s Greek to me. I must’ve missed the part in the article about relations with your mother. Didn’t see anything about Arkansas
*ducks*
While y’all are right and the article does condemn Dems, don’t forget, teh Reps aren’t lily-white in that reguards. The article could just as easily discuss pages and analraping your wife forcing her to file divorce procedings.
While I contend that the article relates these ‘goings on’ as being animalistic, lets get real. Sex is animal behavior.
That’s why i really find no problem with the actions cited in this article, or with all the goings on of the Reps. It’s all animal behavior.
Making love is totally different than having a rut with some skank you pick up, no matter who you are or the orientation you and that partner choose. The analrape thing is STILL way beyond reproach, though, and can we remember which party did that?
“Apophis would surely be that it depends on which way the wind is blowing at the moment.”
Of course you are correct Boxlock. Apophis is defiantly defending the democrats and the absurd notion that because monkeys screw around, it is acceptable for politicans to do too. Yet he felt it was important for him to let readers know “for the record” that he has been married twenty years. I don’t know if that qualifies his opinions based upon personal experience one way or the other.
The overall theme just reinforces what I have posted before - democrats blindly follow the party and will never admit to wrongdoing. They will justify their leaders actions - even if it means relegating it to the actions of “birds, voles, and lesser apes”.
I’d have more respect for the individuals and their party if just one time, one of them would admit or agree - to imperfections.
Like, come on guys - don’t compare marriage infidelity to animal behavior!
RD, admittedly some people do fail, that’s no reason to then accept that failure as the acceptable way of living. And no, just because one points out moral failure does not mean they have committed it, and are covering up as you put it. One can condemn theft or murder or any form of dishonesty, and that’s really what we are talking about here, without meaning as you suggest they have committed it.
And yes people really do care, they want to know the moral character and honesty of the people they place in position of power over their lives, and rightfully so.
“Just for clarity, I did not call Apophis Godless, though I suspect that. I did say his attitude was typical of one who is Godless, there’s a difference”
Kind of splitting hairs there aren’t ya? What’s the difference ….
Homo sapiens is an animal. Why do you think the creature has a generic and specific name? As for vows before God and all, why don’t you try a vow to not defecate and see how it works? Sex is a biological function. You moralists are faithless too. Examine your dreams, if you dare. The whole country is having a b.s. hysterical kitten over a biological function. It makes as much sense as getting all bent out of shape over shedding used up skin cells. And btw, couples can choose their own vows, as well as choosing to express their own sexual appetites however they wish. There are so many situations which occur in real marriages. What if one member loses interest or is incapacitated? What is harm in finding an outlet with a whore or a lover in such cases, or as is usual in the American case, where the vast majority of couples are faithful (while married), via methods which do not require a partner. I’m sure that the rate of such behavior has nothing to do with political persuasion. In other words box lock and american way, take you hands off your dicks, and get them the hell away from mine.
Standards for politicians and leaders of our Government?
There are none.
“the article at the link Rhonda provided insinuates the idea that any sexual behavior of the rich and powerful (in this case it happens to be democrats) is acceptable…”
I take my relationships seriously and honor promises and vows. But yet… I’m not allowed to marry the consenting adult of my choice. So much for character and marriage. You may do as you please in your churches, but at the end of the day, marriage is a civil convenience.
I mean, what is so sacred about something you can do drunk on yer ass in Las Vegas in front of an Elvis impersonator? It seems like STRAIGHT folks ruined marriage, not me and mine.
But what I really want to know is….WHY do you care what consenting adults do behind closed doors? Married, single, gay, straight, whatever. WHY do you worry about what they do privately?
Because of the PROMISES? heheheheheheheheheh. If broken promises and lies were the standard for electing our leaders, there would be NO bush administration left!
Really. WHY do you care what consenting adults do in private?
“false outrage by AmWay and Boxlock over the breaking of Godly vows”
Did I come across that way? Sorry. Didn’t mean to.
My main point was regarding the equating of mans actions to those of animals being used in the media to justify those actions. Beyond that, “If” anyone should believe in marriage (and there has been lot’s of dicussion on the Weblog), and it holding any value other than for a tax exemption and insurance benefits (monetary gain), then it could be an issue with other likeminded believers.
But it wasn’t moral outrage itself I took issue with. I have too many skeletons in my closet to be a true holy roller. I will probably be tap dancing at those pearly gates as fast as anyone else. (”Look St Pete! I can dance!” I did a two-step, quick-step and a bossanova, a little victor sylvester and a rudy valentino, you should have seen me moving - right across the floor!!)
I think the only folks who worry about what consenting adults do sexually are the people who are NOT having sex. The rest of us are too busy to worry about what you do.
And then, there is the ICK factor…
And then, there is the ICK factor
If it ain’t messy, ya ain’t doin’ it right!
“and get them the hell away from mine.”
You are cute Door King. But I already have a dog.
“My main point was regarding the equating of mans actions to those of animals being used in the media to justify those actions.”
Perhaps, if the moralizing right didnt constantly berate gay people as being “unnatural” and practicing “unnatural acts”, we wouldnt be looking at what goes on in the “natural world”.
As long as the religious wingnuts push the “unnatural” meme, then of course we will follow their lead, which implies that if animals do it, it is “natural” and ok with their god.
And, btw, animals do engage in homosexual behavior, which, according to the american taliban, means it is natural and god gives it a big thumbs up, uh, so to speak.
” Beyond that, “If” anyone should believe in marriage (and there has been lot’s of dicussion on the Weblog), and it holding any value other than for a tax exemption and insurance benefits (monetary gain), then it could be an issue with other likeminded believers.”
Well, like I always say, you can do as you please in your churches. Do the hokey pokey and sacrifice animals for all I care. Annoint and married or unmarried as you please.
However, as you also note, it is a CIVIL institution too, and as such, confers CIVIL benefits. However you define marriage in your churches, I dont care. Just give me the civil benefits.
“folks who worry about what consenting adults do sexually are the people who are NOT having sex”
That’s not necessary true farmgirl. I’m always watching. I enjoy learning new tricks.
“And then, there is the ICK factor”
Well, I agree fish, however…
Thinking about straight people in bed gives ME the ick factor, so I dont do it. If thinking about what my sweetie and I do gives some straight folks the “ick” factor, then they should also just not think about it.
Of course, that would put about half the straight male porn business OUT of business, uh, so to speak.
KFG, you’ve never been married, right? There’s very little civil in a marriage.
*ducks*
“And, btw, animals do engage in homosexual behavior, which, according to the american taliban, means it is natural and god gives it a big thumbs up, uh, so to speak.”
Of course with this logic, animals engage in sex with other animals, their children, and their young.
Anything goes!
Thinking about straight people in bed gives ME the ick factor, so I dont do it.
Hmmmm…strange, thinking about two women…Nevermind
*ducks*
I personally do not like the digging around of the press looking for “infedility”. I think there are far greater issues. However, I think that infidelity is a measure of character. A poor one. I think that is a person will cheat in that personal a way on their spouse, or even their long term monogomous (sp) relation not defined by marriage,
they cannot necessarily be trusted with other things. It is most certainly a trust issue, and certainly a character issue. Character counts, in my book, not just results. There are people I know who are quite successful in business, whom I would have no businees with. Their charactar stinks, and I would not trust them any farther than I can throw them.
Of course with this logic, animals engage in sex with other animals, their children, and their young
Did I mention Arkansas wasn’t mentioned in the article?
“And, btw, animals do engage in homosexual behavior, which, according to the american taliban, means it is natural and god gives it a big thumbs up, uh, so to speak”
And btw Ksfarrmgirl, some animals eat their young.
I would argue with you about allowing gay/lesbian marriage, but I think the above argument is not so good. Just mho
Sorry Ksfarrmgirl-
Would argue should have read “would not argue”
“Of course, that would put about half the straight male porn business OUT of business, uh, so to speak.”
Now how would you KNOW that? Me thinks you are bragging without rights. Some of us just think it’s a waste of good meat.
LJ, while I don’t know every gay/les couple in the world, I can say 100% of those I do know are totally devoted to each other. While I’m sure there are infidelities among the class, in my experience there are none.
While I don’t know every hetero couple in the world, I can honestly say of those I do know at least 50% have had at least 1 unfaithful partner, many have had both, and of many of the remaining, I’m highly suspect.
You may argue it’s a difference in population sampling. But you have to admit, no matter how much you multiply 0 by, yu still get 0
Geez, I’M not making the “animals do it so it’s ok” arguement. I’m saying that all the talk about if homosexuality is “natural” was introduced by the WINGNUTS, not us. Good grief! It’s YOUR standard when it’s convenient. And when it’s not convenient, the wingnuts find some equally silly standard.
And fish, for the record, I was married to a man for eight years. I knwo all about the incivility of civil marriage. And that is why I think it’s so silly to draw these distinctions.
Heheheheheh. In fact, when faced with a crisis, I usually say something like “hell, I was MARRIED for eight years, I can stand this, whatever it is, for a little while”….
Rhonda’s Thread was about marital infidelity and relating it to the animal kingdom.
And now the gays/homosexuals are tying the thread to their lifestyle. I didn’t go there. First.
No amway but you are whining about the “animal standard”. I’m just saying it is the favorite go to justification for the wingnuts who say our relationships are unnatural. Are you going to say the wingnuts DONT use that argument?
Then WHY is it ok to use it on us, but not on others? Double standard.
Whatever. I dont care about this nearly as much as you seem to.
heheheheh. I’m too busy….
Y’know, if you kill your lover’s husband you get to become king, David.
Dang! For a blind guy, Paterson sure picked a good looking wife.
American Way
Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink
Rhonda’s Thread was about marital infidelity and relating it to the animal kingdom.
And now the gays/homosexuals are tying the thread to their lifestyle. I didn’t go there. First.
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There are no standards for some who would do a doorknob or a knothole in a tree if it looked good.
“Are you going to say the wingnuts DONT use that argument?”
Can’t speak for anyone but me. I just didn’t see where bringing up your lifestyle in this thread was material. Unless you want it to be.
I’m short on coffee and not getting your tie in.
I get lost trying to keep up with who are the good guys and who are the indians with generalities.
I am surprised this is such a big deal. Both of them were unfaithful, they eventually were honest about it to each other, got some counseling, and worked through their problems. Personally, I find that to be more noble than just saying the hell with it, getting a divorce, and marrying the lover. It seems they must truly care about their marriage if they have been able to get through such a difficult situation WITH honesty, and were able to stay married.
DK would even do kids.
LR, Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:32 am |
“Just for clarity, I did not call Apophis Godless, though I suspect that. I did say his attitude was typical of one who is Godless, there’s a difference”
“Kind of splitting hairs there aren’t ya? What’s the difference ….”
Big difference, what ‘what’s-is-name posts’ could lead to the conclusion, or at least the opinion, he is Godless. I did not state that he was, that’s not my place. Yet! When he states so, then I could based on what he says. That’s a good question to ask him…if he’s out there.
Got it? Not a hard concept to grasp.
“Meanwhile, a former New Jersey governor, “gay American” Jim McGreevey, claims he and his now-estranged wife had threesomes with a male aide for two years before McGreevey became governor; she denies it.”
Now this I have a problem with, since at least on the surface it appears to be sexual harrassment in the workplace!!
ghotiphaze
Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink
LJ, while I don’t know every gay/les couple in the world, I can say 100% of those I do know are totally devoted to each other. While I’m sure there are infidelities among the class, in my experience there are none.
While I do know a couple of gay couples who have infidelity problems, I am not sure what your point is. I am not opposed to gay/lesbian marriages being sanctioned by the state
TDT
Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink
” Personally, I find that to be more noble than just saying the hell with it, getting a divorce, and marrying the lover. It seems they must truly care about their marriage if they have been able to get through such a difficult situation WITH honesty, and were able to stay married.”
Actually, TDT, I agree.
DK would even do kids.
Pages were already discussed, Max.
DK would even do kids.
Pages were already discussed, Max.
And sisters and brothers.
littlejohn
Posted March 19, 2008 at 8:48 am
I would argue with you about allowing gay/lesbian marriage
That’s where my comment came from, LJ. I’d not assume you argue with KFG that you believe gay/les marriage should be allowed, but I’ve been wrong before, so I appologize.
And sisters and brothers
An Arkansas, oh my!
max = scroll over territory
I bet you get excited in a hardware store don’t you farmie?
max = scroll over territory
yeah, normally, but then I figure I could use some comic relief, then begin to wonder if others out there could be that bad, then become convince from others on this forum that, yup, others are, then I get very, very worried.
It’s great, the newspapers now read like Penthouse and Playboy!
Soon, cable news will be X-rated!
ghotiphaze
Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
Gotcha. Bad typo. Which I corrected. It was meant to say “I would NOT argue”
OK, LJ, once again, sorry.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
max = scroll over territory
In other words: Do not read the views of anyone who does not believe as I do. Only those with MY opinion are worthy of reading.
They cannot stand the competition or pressure.
Not a problem. It was caused by my bad typing. That is what I get for doing two things a once. Typing, and, thinking.
dark wanderer = scroll over territory…
I love to watch the reichwing meltdown over sex.
It is VERY telling!
Apophis,
It is not sex. It is the infidelity.
Max, keep posting just as you do, calling it like it is. Dark character hates it when you illuminate it, as they try to maintain what they do is ‘normal’.
And, actually I doubt Apophis is godless, I suspect he, as we all do from time to time unfortunately, places himself in that position of authority. He his his own god, not wanting any authority over his own and how he wishes to live his life. If he is god there is no guilt.
Doesn’t work!
Sorry to mention the “S” word around you nathan, I know how it offends your “christian” eyes and ears.
In reality it IS about sex, nothing more or less.
………and Boxlock, we ALL are the ultimate authority for our actions, not what ever deity you claim as your god.
Damn Apophis! Which is it? Did they ruin this thread or make it interesting?
Apophis
Posted March 19, 2008 at 6:44 am | Permalink
The reichwing has ruined this discussion now by throwing in thier religious views about marriage.
Apophis
Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink
I love to watch the reichwing meltdown over sex
I’m a Dem?Lib ………………, I can have it anyway I want.
Remember, we Dem/Libs are relavitists!
(sp): relativists
Apophis
Posted March 19, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink
“In reality it IS about sex, nothing more or less.”
In reality, it is not about sex. I don;t care how many times they had sex, or did not have sex. I don;t care, if some politician is a single adult, who he has sex with. I don;t care if he/she is gay/lesbian, who he/she has sex with. I do care if they have committed themselves to a partner, and violate the trust of that partner. It goes to character, and character counts. And if they have an “open marriage”, while I think they are wrong to do so, and feel that it is in the long run destructive behavior, politically, I don;t give a damn either.
SO you see it is not about sex, it is about infidelity. Wether you like it or not. Or care or not.
Apophis, you didn’t need to correct the spelling.
It was a worthless response either way.
” Ithink the only folks who worry about what consenting adults do sexually are the people who are NOT having sex.”
Yup.
Apophis,
Lets make this clear, since you want to make this about Christians.
Christians have no problems with sex.
We simply believe in marriage and a strong healthy family.
Of course, and unfortunately, the moral decline in our society is a plague amoungst Christians as well. No one is perfect.
However, we can still try to do the right thing and should always promote it.
Quotes to ponder related to the blog topic, I think.
“We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.” —C.S. Lewis
“The world is weary of statesmen whom democracy has degraded into politicians.” —Benjamin Disraeli
“I profoundly believe it takes a lot of practice to become a moral slob.” —William F. Buckley
marine-boy……………..and WHO is to say what the “right thing” actually is?
Thanks Boxlock. You keep posting too!
Oh, and don’t forget The Forgotten Man!
Who says what is right?
GOD.
From what I’ve read here, Republicans can’t do it, and Democrats can’t stop doing it.
The bottom line here is: It don’t make a rats a** what party the elected belongs to. Be it demo or repub, hormones are gonna do what they do, and some will be unable to handle it. It makes my day knowing those posting here are so without sin they can cast aspersions on all others. My faith in humanity just dropped (again). Keep up the good work!
That’s just what I predicted you would say marine-boy!
…………make judgements on other people based on what your “god” tells you. When was the alst time your “god” spoke to you nathan?
“Who says what is right?
GOD.”
Not in an audible voice that I can hear.
Also? I don’t like second hand information.
“God” has something to say to me I want it direct.
So I see how it works now Rhonda. Max can accuse poor old door king of wanting sex with kids, but poor old door kink (oops, a typo) king can’t defend himself. Typical. Bitch.
Apophis,
If you are interested in having a real discussion on where values, morals, ethics, or doing the right thing come from, then by all means lets have one.
Where do you get your evaluation of what is right and wrong from and what makes it any more “right” than God?
Heh
I’ve heard lots of women call out for God. And at not exactly the best time for the almighty to make an appearance.
Apophis is not interested in anything Nathan other than causing grief to those who don’t hold his views.
He has proven it time and again on this blog that his only purpose is to insult others especially those on the right.
Doesn’t say much about the quality of school teachers we have in USD259
Nathan
Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink
Who says what is right?
GOD.
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I asked an atheist friend how she knows what’s right and what’s wrong, and what her moral compass is.
She had no answer.
Her Dad used to run an Atheist Hotline (similar to a Suicide Hotline) for all who were trying to get away from God.
Her Dad had no answer either.
J R
Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:31 am | Permalink
Also? I don’t like second hand information.
“God” has something to say to me I want it direct.
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Maybe someday you will get your wish.
Door King
Posted March 19, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
So I see how it works now Rhonda. Max can accuse poor old door king of wanting sex with kids, but poor old door kink (oops, a typo) king can’t defend himself. Typical. Bitch.
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Maybe Rhonda has read your posts.
Rhonda, please take note of the language DK uses here. Very inappropriate.
New York is doomed - they have Hilary, Spitzer, and now Paterson.
And McGreevey was just next door!
“Why do powerful people think their secrets will stay secret, especially those who live in the floodlight of the New York media?”
And why does the media think they need to plaster this crap all over the newspapers and TV? No one cares!
What does “insulting the right” (actually, the WRONG)have to do with the quality of teachers in USD 259?
More insults from the lying, substitute teacher wannabe troll……..Jimmy McCluer.
Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.
Ben……….don’t you know, the “christians” here are without sin!
Nathan - If we are making this about Christianity, morals, and sin, then shouldn’t we remember when Jesus said those without sin, throw the first stone? At least I think it was Jesus. Haven’t been to church for 20 years. But I do remember that I was told that we are ALL sinners, and it is not YOUR place to judge which of the sins of others you think is worse.
“Why do powerful people think their secrets will stay secret, especially those who live in the floodlight of the New York media?”
Because most have huge egos, and drives, and don;t really give a damn what you think, or think that they will never get caught. (lack of common sense)
“And why does the media think they need to plaster this crap all over the newspapers and TV? No one cares!”
Because a large part of the American public want to hear this crap. Witness the popularity of E!, and people magazine. Why people care about the personal lives of celebrities, I do not understand. Politicians, a bit more so. particularly if their lifestyle and their speeches don;t match
It’s not that ANYONE here is without sin, it’s that some regret it, while other’s try and justify it and make it perfectly acceptable.
Jesus forgave the sin of those who repented, he never accepted it. Big difference.
http://www.capalert.com/judgenot.htm
Matt. 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”
This is the verse so many use to try to shame Christians for discerning poor behavior, ethics, morals, and values: the “judge not lest ye be judged” verse. So many times people, mostly teens have emailed us saying “judge not lest you be judged” regarding our analysis reports which reveal to their parents the content of movies. Using only Matt 7:1 is entirely incomplete. This verse is not speaking to not judging at all — it is speaking to not judging unfair or any other cheap and selfish way. Read the rest of the story …
Matt 7:2-5 “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly and honestly, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other unfair means, our judgment will reflect it].
TDT,
First, I have not said one word about “judging” any one sin as worse than another.
Second, I already stated that no one is perfect.
Third, Promoting morals, ethics, and doing what is “right” has nothing to do with throwing stones.
So, what exactly is/was your point?
“Jesus forgave the sin of those who repented, he never accepted it. Big difference.
Actually I should have said, ‘Jesus forgives (present tense) the sin of those who repent, he never accepts or condones it, and will never accept or condone it.
Big difference.
This all got started when Ronald Reagan had his colonoscopy, and for the first time we as a nation got to look up the President’s ass on the nightly news. Now even goldfish have more privacy!
Personally, I’m bored to death by the endless exposes of the sexual foibles of politicians followed by the usual denials or mea culpas and then the follow-up stories on the follow-up stories. We elect politicians to represent us on political matters, not to provide grist for a media that uses soft-porn to avoid reporting on complex legislation that we might actually need to know about. This isn’t what was meant regarding politics and strange bedfellows. As long as whatever they’re doing in bed isn’t illegal (and most of it isn’t), we don’t really need to know about it!
Nathan - Going back through the post, I think I credited you with other’s posts, and then the ones you did post I read through prejudiced eyes. Sorry, it doesn’t appear that you condemned the new mayor for infidelity as long as he was willing to repent, which it seems he has.
“Sexual promiscuity is rampant throughout nature, and true faithfulness a fond fantasy.”
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Those that engage in cheating can’t be held responsible. Animals do it and we, well, we’re nothing but higher animals.
It’s not like we can recognize right and wrong and/or have free will or anything.
Boxlock:
In reference to your comments on yesterday’s city manager thread:
“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”
I Timothy 6:10
Those politicians do like to get their freak on!
TDT,
Thank you. I agree. People make mistakes, they own up to them, and we move on.
I do have some problems with allowing people in leadership depending on the severity of that mistake and exactly what they have done to redeemed themselves.
Who decides the severity of the mistake? Who decides the category? Relevance? Party affiliation? Congress? The People? Judge Judy? Rush Limbaugh? Phelps? The Dixie Chicks? A Florida punch card? The Wichita City Council?
Come on . . . the truth is out there (No, really . . . out there)
But I do remember that I was told that we are ALL sinners
TDT, I’ve said before only Mary was allowed to heave the rock at the hooker.
Phant,
“Those politicians do like to get their freak on!”
Well, there certainly seems to be a link between power and sex, but most people don’t have to live under a microscope either. It’s probably a fair bet that as you read this, some couple (or more) in your neighborhood is having freakier (whatever that is)than average sex.
Nathan
Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
I do have some problems with allowing people in leadership depending on the severity of that mistake and exactly what they have done to redeemed themselves.
I agree Nathan, and that’s why I think that Spitzer should have resigned, and also, that he should be charged. He actually committed a crime, and should have to be held accountable to our justice system as well as the public that elected him. And I also have a problem with politicians who have affairs with their subordinates, since that is obvious sexual harrassment, even if the subordinate consents.
In answer to pro-life prayers for a debacle in Democrat-led baby-hating NY bureaucracy, it looks like Spitzer’s dangerous, radical, across-the-board abortion bill — the Reproductive Health and Privacy Protection Act (RHAPP) — may also be dead legislatively. It would have removed most pro-life restrictions on abortions, such as they were, in the pro-abortion state. Gov. Paterson, the new NY adulterer-in-chief, endorses the bill, which could compel insurance coverage as well as doctor and hospital participation in legalized infanticide.
Some things, however, are so heinous that no law made by man can compel participation.
Boxer — Me thinks you need to read up on the Biblical view of forgiveness — Take Jeremiah, for example >>>>
‘..No longer shall eeach man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, “Know the Lord,” for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”‘ (Jeremiah 31:34-35)
If SIN is remembered NO MORE… then in the eyes of God, it is as though the SIN has never happened…
WE are the ones who keep throwing up the sins in peoples’ faces… NOT GOD!!
Who/What is saving all of these cell phone text messages?? Isnt that like ummm “listening in” on phone conversations, without a warrant??
Come on Chas, you should have included more of the text in your post which helps clarify. Note these things are apart of the new covenant and happen in the ‘time of peace’ once they have repented and returned. We are not in that time yet and repentance is mandatory, recognition of God as GOD is mandatory.
“Jeremiah 31:31-34 provides an encouraging conclusion to the saga of Israel and Judah once they have repented and returned to the land. These verses, quoted in Hebrews 8:8-12 and 10:16-17, show that this is the same covenant that the church has already made with God. Rather than doing away with the law of God, the New Covenant gives the people the means, not merely to obey it, but to accept it and make it a part of their lives. God will give the people of Israel and Judah new hearts, and they will finally be able to follow God consistently and have real relationships with Him. God will forgive their sins, and Israel will finally begin to be the witness to the rest of the world that God intended her to be (see Deuteronomy 4:5-8; Isaiah 62:1-2).”
mrcontroversy Posted March 19, 2008 at 12:11 pm |
“Boxlock:
In reference to your comments on yesterday’s city manager thread:
“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”
I Timothy 6:10″
mrcontroversy, I can’t even understand your point. What does my suggestion that the city manager selection group be folks that are themselves and can pick a good business manager, since that is what running a city consists of, have anything to do with the verses you posted? Makes no sense.
I will copy my post from that thread here again.
Boxlock Posted March 18, 2008 at 6:54 am |
The city manager panel should be made up of those folks best qualified to search for a competent manager. Those being successful community and business people, since that is what running a city really is. It should NOT be a Politically Correct group to parade in front of us.
Why do all these elected officals have so much time for making whoopie? They need to be busy running their state or their country and earning their paychecks. I work so hard the last thing I’d have the time or energy for is an extra martial affair. They’re obviously not busy enough or working hard enough if they have all this extra time to fool around.
BTW, I’ve been married 37 years and never fooled around. There’s no way I’d risk losing everything and hurting the ones I love the most for a roll in the hay…just ain’t worth it.
“The only politician not getting laid in New York is Hillary Clinton:
Jay Leno
Oh, how I love Jay Leno!!
I agree with your post Mary.
Por Que?
“In answer to pro-life prayers for a debacle in Democrat-led baby-hating NY bureaucracy…..”
You are actually praying for God to make someone commit a sin? And how are you planning to justify that on your judgement day?