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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309708</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way gas today around here, 3.27 per gallon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way gas today around here, 3.27 per gallon.</p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309707</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap mine is nothing compared to my friends, whose went up 63,000.  That&#039;s not what it&#039;s valued at it WENT UP by that much.

Something is very, very wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap mine is nothing compared to my friends, whose went up 63,000.  That&#8217;s not what it&#8217;s valued at it WENT UP by that much.</p>
<p>Something is very, very wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309403</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t McCain denounce these guys four years ago?  So hard to remember, he once denounced torture too.  The only thing he&#039;s consistent on is mentioning how he doesn&#039;t know anything about economics.

I hope Wichita remembers that he, along with Roberts and Brownback, voted to ship the tanker jobs to France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t McCain denounce these guys four years ago?  So hard to remember, he once denounced torture too.  The only thing he&#8217;s consistent on is mentioning how he doesn&#8217;t know anything about economics.</p>
<p>I hope Wichita remembers that he, along with Roberts and Brownback, voted to ship the tanker jobs to France.</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309402</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee hee hee Monkeyhawk.

I&#039;m glad you appreciate my WICKED funny bone. You should see the stuff I DONT post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee hee Monkeyhawk.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you appreciate my WICKED funny bone. You should see the stuff I DONT post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyHawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309373</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ksfarmgrrl&quot; posits --

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Maybe God has blessed them because they sanction GAY MARRIAGE?

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Geez, even THAT couldnt bring the Canadians down.&quot;

Okay.  That&#039;s funny.

Especially funny in light of last night&#039;s &quot;Bill Moyer&#039;s Journal&quot; on PBS, with John Sidney McCain the Third&#039;s spiritual advisor John Hagee declaring that God smite Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans to cancel a gay pride parade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ksfarmgrrl&#8221; posits &#8211;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Maybe God has blessed them because they sanction GAY MARRIAGE?</p>
<p></i><i>&#8220;Geez, even THAT couldnt bring the Canadians down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay.  That&#8217;s funny.</p>
<p>Especially funny in light of last night&#8217;s &#8220;Bill Moyer&#8217;s Journal&#8221; on PBS, with John Sidney McCain the Third&#8217;s spiritual advisor John Hagee declaring that God smite Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans to cancel a gay pride parade.</i></p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309368</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee hee hee Doug:

&quot;That’s a higher rate than Canada whose dollar has increased in comparison to ours. Funny how socialist Canada is able to have universal health care, lower unemployment, attract US manufacturing jobs, be an energy exporter, etc and yet have a stronger economy than the United States.&quot;

Maybe God has blessed them because they sanction  GAY MARRIAGE?

Geez, even THAT couldnt bring the Canadians down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee hee Doug:</p>
<p>&#8220;That’s a higher rate than Canada whose dollar has increased in comparison to ours. Funny how socialist Canada is able to have universal health care, lower unemployment, attract US manufacturing jobs, be an energy exporter, etc and yet have a stronger economy than the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe God has blessed them because they sanction  GAY MARRIAGE?</p>
<p>Geez, even THAT couldnt bring the Canadians down.</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309367</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pmom, I suspect your appraised value went up because the county needed the money and in an election year, they dont want to raise the mil levy so they raise the appraised value?

Yeah, I know about lag time, but it seems to be as good an explanation as any.

And the farmer&#039;s borrowing against increased equity and then going under when the crop prices dropped or there was no production for a few years, or the BANK went under... and then farmers moving to the city...

That hit its heyday under St. Ronnie Ray Gun. Does ANYONE remember the foreclosures from the early to mid 80&#039;s?  And.. btw.. out here, the land goes up because HUNTERS from the city are buying it and little farmsteads. NOT because of crop prices.  Although most of them do turn around and rent the land to local farmers for cash rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pmom, I suspect your appraised value went up because the county needed the money and in an election year, they dont want to raise the mil levy so they raise the appraised value?</p>
<p>Yeah, I know about lag time, but it seems to be as good an explanation as any.</p>
<p>And the farmer&#8217;s borrowing against increased equity and then going under when the crop prices dropped or there was no production for a few years, or the BANK went under&#8230; and then farmers moving to the city&#8230;</p>
<p>That hit its heyday under St. Ronnie Ray Gun. Does ANYONE remember the foreclosures from the early to mid 80&#8217;s?  And.. btw.. out here, the land goes up because HUNTERS from the city are buying it and little farmsteads. NOT because of crop prices.  Although most of them do turn around and rent the land to local farmers for cash rent.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309270</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,

I&#039;m past the age of needing to prove something with jackrabbit stops and starts.  I drive the speed limit.  I turn off my engine while waiting on long trains.  I avoid fast food places where I know a wait is inevitable or I&#039;ll go inside.  I keep my car tuned (or rather my son-in-law does) and my tires aired up.  Of the ten or so points Regular listed the other day, I adhere to the majority of them.  Those I don&#039;t really don&#039;t apply to me.

I only drive when I have to.  Seriously.  For 24 years, I only drove the 25 miles into Wichita every two weeks for groceries and errands.  Combining errands and stops is ingrained in me.  It&#039;s a habit.  Honestly, I don&#039;t even like to drive all that much anymore.  Too many loonies on the streets.

If I could buy a newer car with better MPG or a hybrid, I would.  When the weather gets better, I&#039;ll walk more often, but I have been known to walk to grab a few groceries when there&#039;s snow on the ground.  I&#039;ve done and am doing all I can.

In 10 years, I won&#039;t care.  I do care now.

It isn&#039;t just the gas I use or the gas you use.  The price affects nearly every facet of our lives.  And all I hear is &quot;drive less and conserve&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m past the age of needing to prove something with jackrabbit stops and starts.  I drive the speed limit.  I turn off my engine while waiting on long trains.  I avoid fast food places where I know a wait is inevitable or I&#8217;ll go inside.  I keep my car tuned (or rather my son-in-law does) and my tires aired up.  Of the ten or so points Regular listed the other day, I adhere to the majority of them.  Those I don&#8217;t really don&#8217;t apply to me.</p>
<p>I only drive when I have to.  Seriously.  For 24 years, I only drove the 25 miles into Wichita every two weeks for groceries and errands.  Combining errands and stops is ingrained in me.  It&#8217;s a habit.  Honestly, I don&#8217;t even like to drive all that much anymore.  Too many loonies on the streets.</p>
<p>If I could buy a newer car with better MPG or a hybrid, I would.  When the weather gets better, I&#8217;ll walk more often, but I have been known to walk to grab a few groceries when there&#8217;s snow on the ground.  I&#8217;ve done and am doing all I can.</p>
<p>In 10 years, I won&#8217;t care.  I do care now.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just the gas I use or the gas you use.  The price affects nearly every facet of our lives.  And all I hear is &#8220;drive less and conserve&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309256</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RD,

Just drive less and conserve.

Everything will be fine in 10 years or so if you support alternatives.  Until then, just drive less and conserve!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RD,</p>
<p>Just drive less and conserve.</p>
<p>Everything will be fine in 10 years or so if you support alternatives.  Until then, just drive less and conserve!</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309254</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas at $3.15.  Is this the highest we&#039;ve seen?  I can&#039;t remember.

I continue to hold to my prediction of $3.50 by Memorial Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gas at $3.15.  Is this the highest we&#8217;ve seen?  I can&#8217;t remember.</p>
<p>I continue to hold to my prediction of $3.50 by Memorial Day.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309240</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crisis we face.  If not responded to, the crisis our children and grandchildren face:

http://www.concordcoalition.org/events/fiscal-wake-up/fiscal-wake-up-call.htm

We need to do what is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crisis we face.  If not responded to, the crisis our children and grandchildren face:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.concordcoalition.org/events/fiscal-wake-up/fiscal-wake-up-call.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.concordcoalition.org/events/fiscal-wake-up/fiscal-wake-up-call.htm</a></p>
<p>We need to do what is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309235</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would they ask such an insane question?  If someone offered me a million dollars for my house, I&#039;d take it too, but I can promise it&#039;s not worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would they ask such an insane question?  If someone offered me a million dollars for my house, I&#8217;d take it too, but I can promise it&#8217;s not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Boxlock</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309229</link>
		<dc:creator>Boxlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all &#039;doom and gloom&#039;! Right?  Maybe Wrong!
Now&#039;s the time to start getting into, or back into, the equity markets while everybody is getting out and running scared.
You prosper by buying low and selling high, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all &#8216;doom and gloom&#8217;! Right?  Maybe Wrong!<br />
Now&#8217;s the time to start getting into, or back into, the equity markets while everybody is getting out and running scared.<br />
You prosper by buying low and selling high, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Door King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309203</link>
		<dc:creator>Door King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha. too many whiskeys.
Venomists.

Screwed my own pun up. I was so proud of it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha. too many whiskeys.<br />
Venomists.</p>
<p>Screwed my own pun up. I was so proud of it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Door King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309202</link>
		<dc:creator>Door King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone explain to me why my house would jump in appraised value nearly 30k in one year? especially during this housing crisis?

Tax on Vemonists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain to me why my house would jump in appraised value nearly 30k in one year? especially during this housing crisis?</p>
<p>Tax on Vemonists?</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309196</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they lower it much more, they will be at Zero</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they lower it much more, they will be at Zero</p>
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		<title>By: Pleefer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309193</link>
		<dc:creator>Pleefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Herein lies a film worthy of watching.&lt;/a&gt; Do you want to understand our financial situation? Then please spend the next hour and a half learning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173" rel="nofollow">Herein lies a film worthy of watching.</a> Do you want to understand our financial situation? Then please spend the next hour and a half learning!</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309183</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also been a lot of talk the past several days in the Wall Street Journal about a &quot;margin spiral.&quot;  I remember this in the halcyon glow otherwise known as my bidness skool dayz...but I never ever thought we might actually HAVE one.

This particular margin spiral is caused when hedged and other options funds borrow a fraction of the asset value of real estate (called &quot;buying it on the margin,&quot; firms like Carlyle Capital &quot;own&quot; RE assets valued at roughly $27 billion while holding aggregated liabilities, or &quot;margin loans,&quot; for same at something like $26.3 billion: ie, these assets are leveraged roughly 32 times).  What&#039;s happening now in many securities markets is that Wall Street has in effect added what amounts to a 3.5% premium to mortgage-backed debt securities...that&#039;s 3.5% in ADDITION TO what&#039;s already factored into these securities for default risk.  In other words, the cost of money loaned to purchase real estate has been raised by 3.5%, and this price increase has &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; to do with market forces. In fact, the cost of non-mortgage money is actually falling.  It&#039;s just added due to a repricing of the risk involved in making such loans.

The net effect is that RE asset prices (including securities) have fallen as the cost of leverage dollars has risen.  As these asset prices fall, banks with large margin loans run their spreadsheets and see that, due to falling asset prices, they need less exposure.  They call in all or part of their margin loans...which leads to asset dumping for the affected borrowers...which leads to further lowering of asset prices...which leads to further margin calls....which leads to more asset dumping...you get the drift.  Voila, a margin spiral.

This is really beginning to look ugly, folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also been a lot of talk the past several days in the Wall Street Journal about a &#8220;margin spiral.&#8221;  I remember this in the halcyon glow otherwise known as my bidness skool dayz&#8230;but I never ever thought we might actually HAVE one.</p>
<p>This particular margin spiral is caused when hedged and other options funds borrow a fraction of the asset value of real estate (called &#8220;buying it on the margin,&#8221; firms like Carlyle Capital &#8220;own&#8221; RE assets valued at roughly $27 billion while holding aggregated liabilities, or &#8220;margin loans,&#8221; for same at something like $26.3 billion: ie, these assets are leveraged roughly 32 times).  What&#8217;s happening now in many securities markets is that Wall Street has in effect added what amounts to a 3.5% premium to mortgage-backed debt securities&#8230;that&#8217;s 3.5% in ADDITION TO what&#8217;s already factored into these securities for default risk.  In other words, the cost of money loaned to purchase real estate has been raised by 3.5%, and this price increase has <i>nothing</i> to do with market forces. In fact, the cost of non-mortgage money is actually falling.  It&#8217;s just added due to a repricing of the risk involved in making such loans.</p>
<p>The net effect is that RE asset prices (including securities) have fallen as the cost of leverage dollars has risen.  As these asset prices fall, banks with large margin loans run their spreadsheets and see that, due to falling asset prices, they need less exposure.  They call in all or part of their margin loans&#8230;which leads to asset dumping for the affected borrowers&#8230;which leads to further lowering of asset prices&#8230;which leads to further margin calls&#8230;.which leads to more asset dumping&#8230;you get the drift.  Voila, a margin spiral.</p>
<p>This is really beginning to look ugly, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309169</link>
		<dc:creator>phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh the next bubble, land values go up because of crop prices, farmers borrow on the escalated value, to enlarge their operation. Crop prices go down, farmers move to the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh the next bubble, land values go up because of crop prices, farmers borrow on the escalated value, to enlarge their operation. Crop prices go down, farmers move to the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Vaughn Tolle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/more-killer-economic-numbers/#comment-309167</link>
		<dc:creator>Vaughn Tolle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular, knew about the counting of military retired as unemployed :-). Knew about &quot;impact funds&quot; that you posted about earlier, would have thought there would have been less lag time on cessation. Understand the &quot;sector&quot; classification. Thanks, Regular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular, knew about the counting of military retired as unemployed :-). Knew about &#8220;impact funds&#8221; that you posted about earlier, would have thought there would have been less lag time on cessation. Understand the &#8220;sector&#8221; classification. Thanks, Regular.</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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Vaughn Tolle
Posted March 7, 2008 at 4:56 pm &#124; Permalink

Regular, thanks.

So follow-up question: When a Reservist/Guard member goes on active duty, is this counted as a “new” job (albeit federal)? Next follow-up question: If the answer to the first question is “yes”, then When the Reservist/Guard member is deactivated, is this a “job loss”?
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It&#039;s a sector related job and is classified as such.

It&#039;s a job loss, but only for that &#039;sector&#039; if you know what I mean.  Appropriated funded employment count pretty much as other jobs do, the lag in accountability is questionable as I&#039;ve seen entire bases deactivated and the money keeps pouring in via the school support issue I gave earlier.

BTW, military retirement is considered unemployed. :)</description>
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Vaughn Tolle<br />
Posted March 7, 2008 at 4:56 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>Regular, thanks.</p>
<p>So follow-up question: When a Reservist/Guard member goes on active duty, is this counted as a “new” job (albeit federal)? Next follow-up question: If the answer to the first question is “yes”, then When the Reservist/Guard member is deactivated, is this a “job loss”?<br />
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It&#8217;s a sector related job and is classified as such.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a job loss, but only for that &#8217;sector&#8217; if you know what I mean.  Appropriated funded employment count pretty much as other jobs do, the lag in accountability is questionable as I&#8217;ve seen entire bases deactivated and the money keeps pouring in via the school support issue I gave earlier.</p>
<p>BTW, military retirement is considered unemployed. :)</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;IIRC, the number of direct jobs for Wichita was estimated to be 500 at the top end, with up to another 500 in related jobs, making a total of 1000 if Boeing had secured the contract.&lt;/i&gt;

But I&#039;m selfish, and even a few hundred sounds good to greedy people like me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>IIRC, the number of direct jobs for Wichita was estimated to be 500 at the top end, with up to another 500 in related jobs, making a total of 1000 if Boeing had secured the contract.</i></p>
<p>But I&#8217;m selfish, and even a few hundred sounds good to greedy people like me. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Active Duty military status is an odd thing.  The Federal Government does a head count of those assigned to a military reservation and derives statistics from them.

For instance, those living in base housing are used in a formula to subsidize the local school district as the housing units are not legally part of the county they are located in.

So, if there are no physically based schools on the installation, the monies would go to the local school district from the Federal Government.

The bureau of labor and statistics lump Federal employees and military into separate pots, but they are all still counted in overall statistics for employment, tax purposes and etc.

Contractors are a curious sort, as they often slip through several cracks in the system as do seasonal workers.  Although, I think they have a better handle on it than they used to.</description>
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<p>For instance, those living in base housing are used in a formula to subsidize the local school district as the housing units are not legally part of the county they are located in.</p>
<p>So, if there are no physically based schools on the installation, the monies would go to the local school district from the Federal Government.</p>
<p>The bureau of labor and statistics lump Federal employees and military into separate pots, but they are all still counted in overall statistics for employment, tax purposes and etc.</p>
<p>Contractors are a curious sort, as they often slip through several cracks in the system as do seasonal workers.  Although, I think they have a better handle on it than they used to.</p>
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		<title>By: Vaughn Tolle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, P_M, a cautionary note: be careful how you answer the following question (if asked); &quot;Would you sell your house for $92,000 if someone offered to pay you that for it?&quot;. If you say &quot;Yes&quot;, well, then you have just determined the value as it is theoretically that which a willing seller would accept from a willing buyer. Hopefully, those kind of questions aren&#039;t asked, although once upon a time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, P_M, a cautionary note: be careful how you answer the following question (if asked); &#8220;Would you sell your house for $92,000 if someone offered to pay you that for it?&#8221;. If you say &#8220;Yes&#8221;, well, then you have just determined the value as it is theoretically that which a willing seller would accept from a willing buyer. Hopefully, those kind of questions aren&#8217;t asked, although once upon a time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vaughn Tolle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vaughn Tolle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also point out, P_M, that rural values are still going up due to the increased grain prices. Do appeal; it may well be a beneficial use of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also point out, P_M, that rural values are still going up due to the increased grain prices. Do appeal; it may well be a beneficial use of the time.</p>
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