Don’t include columnist Bob Ray Sanders among those condemning or marginalizing Barack Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Sanders wrote that Wright’s liberation theology isn’t new to the black church, and that it was a key part of the Rev. Martin Luther King’s preaching and speeches.
“I find it interesting today that many whites who couldn’t stand the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. when he was alive embrace him primarily because of that passage in the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech in which he longed for the day when his children ‘will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character,’†Sanders wrote. “That line is most quoted today by those opposed to affirmative action.
“But people forget how defiant that speech was, and how it spoke to an America that had failed many people, especially this country’s people of color.â€
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I agree, many considered King a radical in his day. Maybe the Rev Wright went about saying things in an inflamatory way…but much of what he said comes from the frustration his people being considered second class citizens because of the color of their skin.
Maybe we should all listen to his whole message rather than take what he says out of context and blowing it all out of proportion. That would be the fair thing to do..but when has fairness ever had a place in a presidential election? I’m sure Hilary is grinning from ear to ear over this whole thing.
You people are missing the big picture.
First Barack Obama will not wear a US flag pin, then his wife announces that she has never been proud of America.
Why can you not see it is because of their religious teaching under the Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
A quote from this knucklehead’s article
“I refuse to reject liberation theology — King’s or Wright’s. I only wish there were more of it.
And for those whose major objection to Obama is his pastor, I suggest you judge the candidate on his own words, not someone else’s.”
Jeremiah Wright is no MLK. And no, my objection is not to Obama’s pastor. He can say what he wants. it is about Obama’s judgment in listening to him for 20 years and not taking issue with the racist rhetoric.
Comparing the hateful statements of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, which divide us all to Dr MLK’s, “I have a dream” speech is a piss poor comparison, IMHO.
Dr King’s movement led to a better America and inclusiveness. I don’t see where Rev. Wrights comments will bring positive change for America.
What is radical and which meaning applies to each?
Synonyms 1. basic, essential; original, innate, ingrained. 2. complete, unqualified, thorough; drastic, excessive, immoderate, violent. Radical, extreme, fanatical denote that which goes beyond moderation or even to excess in opinion, belief, action, etc. Radical emphasizes the idea of going to the root of a matter, and this often seems immoderate in its thoroughness or completeness: radical ideas; radical changes or reforms. Extreme applies to excessively biased ideas, intemperate conduct, or repressive legislation: to use extreme measures. Fanatical is applied to a person who has extravagant views, esp. in matters of religion or morality, which render that person incapable of sound judgments; and excessive zeal which leads him or her to take violent action against those who have differing views: fanatical in persecuting others.
I always considered King to be a radical. Problem is – blacks just don’t have enough quality leaders to look up to, so they have to settle for radicals like King.
Hopefully, one day that will change. We’d be better off having a Condileeza Rice day, than a Martin Luther King day. Better message for blacks to emulate.
Komrade
Posted March 21, 2008 at 7:13 am | Permalink
I always considered King to be a radical. Problem is – blacks just don’t have enough quality leaders to look up to, so they have to settle for radicals like King.
Hopefully, one day that will change. We’d be better off having a Condileeza Rice day, than a Martin Luther King day. Better message for blacks to emulate.
Unless you’re black you have no dog in this fight and lack the experience to have any credibility on the issue ……..
Comparing the Reverend -uh Wright to Dr. Martin Luther King,Junior is like comparing Howard Stern to Walter Cronkite.
Or comparing the self-absorbed Brittany Spears to Sister Theresa.
Or comparing Richard M. Nixon to Abraham Lincoln.
apple-orange
black-white
yin-yang
backwards-forwards
(chortles)
What the f’ is wrong with you people? MLK so does deserve his day, he was instrumental in so much of bringing black segregation to an end, civil rights…Condi would be scrubbing someone’s FLOOR had it not been for MLK.
“Unless you’re black you have no dog in this fight and lack the experience to have any credibility on the issue ……..”
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BS.
As long as the liberals are going to try and target whites to instill some sort of guilt over what their ancestors did generations ago – we all have a dog in this fight. Stating otherwise is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty.
And suffice it to say that our input today will bear the fruit of tomorrow’s black population.
We can either try to instill the continuing victimhood that causes nuts like Jeremiah to spout hatred or we can promote achievement and merit.
“Condi would be scrubbing someone’s FLOOR had it not been for”
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What a horribly racist thing to say.
Oh STFU you neocons who have so totally destroyed this country, and here you sit in judgement of Obama who is trying to turn this country away from disaster, you ignore the people on YOUR side who do shit like this, saying how he doesnt’ love America.
YOU people are out of your dammn minds. I know you’d burn the constitution (spare the second amendment) and put up the bible instead in a heartbeat.
hypocrites, all of you.
Heaven forbid a black man potentially be president, that just makes you SO insecure as a whitey now doesn’t it?
Equality, we can’t have that now can we.
“As long as the liberals are going to try and target whites to instill some sort of guilt over what their ancestors did generations ago ”
NO, if it were still just generations ago, this would not be an issue. You’re doing it TODAY. It is not racist to point out the truth. Condi would be nowhere near where she is today if it hadn’t been for MLK. How can you possibly even suggest that isn’t true?
Obama used to be strictly a Presidential Candidate running for President.
The Radical Left Libs have turned him into a Negro running for President.
As usual, the leftist libs refuse to accept blame of their own assignments.
You’re the one making racist comments. You seem to think that all blacks today owe their success to MLK – like none of them could have achieved anything without that man.
But, you’re wrong.
And you proved yourself to be a racist by your trashing of a successful black woman.
“Condi would be nowhere near where she is today if it hadn’t been for MLK. How can you possibly even suggest that isn’t true?”
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Because you don’t know your black history.
There were successful blacks before MLK started his fire and brimstone hollering.
He was a radical – a noisy one.
But there were far smarter and more motivated ones. Had he lived, likely he would have been arrested and died in jail.
You give no credit to smart black people who did not scream at the top of their lungs.
But they are the real heroes. Not a loudmouth like MLK.
“What the f’ is wrong with you people?”
Political Momma, there is nothing prior to your post which took anything from MLK and his day.
Do you have a different version of the WEBLOG than I do? One that shows your imaginary “neocons”?
And such language.
Political mama, are you having hot and cold flashes?
Maybe you are going through the change in life.
That might be why you are posting such angry and accusing remarks.
Patrick J. Buchanan’s take.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25634
“You people are missing the big picture.
“First Barack Obama will not wear a US flag pin, then his wife announces that she has never been proud of America.”
Translation, Right Angle is trying to smear a candidate for President of the United States as being unpatriotic. Think about that for a moment.
“Why can you not see it is because of their religious teaching under the Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright?”
Because contrary to what you think, no such causitive factor has been determined, you connected the dots in your own head due to your personal biases. Don’t elect a guy because he didn’t wear a US flag pin. No wonder we have had the worst two term president ever when such shallow logic is employed.
Once again, here is the Obama speech. Watch it and see how well it conforms to the strawmen charges that come from people like Right Angle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hisownwords
ksag,
I do admire your persistence and patience.
Yep, slap on a lapel pin and don’t forget the Support the Troops decal for your auto. Ah, it feels so good to do so much!
“I’m sure Hilary is grinning from ear to ear over this whole thing.”
Oh I don’t think so.
With his inept handling of his own personal embarrassment, Obama is hurting not just himself but the Democratic party.
Do you remember, Mary, when it was Senator Clinton who got Obama to clarify on Republican ideas?
Or when she helped him denounce another politically radioactive endoresement?
Like Obama, you Obama supporters are looking the wrong way for the enemy.
“How would he pull it off? I wondered.
How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?
How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about “the U.S. of K.K.K. America,” and howled, “God damn America!”"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25634
Pretty speeches are what Obama is about. Let’s look at his actions (or inactions)
Of course, there aren’t very many because the man has very little experience.
J R,
It’s true what you’ve heard about US being our own worst enemies.
Komrade
Posted March 21, 2008 at 7:36 am | Permalink
As long as the liberals are going to try and target whites to instill some sort of guilt over what their ancestors did generations ago – we all have a dog in this fight. Stating otherwise is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty.
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Political_mama
Posted March 21, 2008 at 7:34 am | Permalink
Condi would be scrubbing someone’s FLOOR had it not been for MLK.
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Komrade
Posted March 21, 2008 at 7:37 am | Permalink
What a horribly racist thing to say.
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Looks like it’s not just the “libs” who are trying to make whites feel guilty here.
You’re trying to pull this same stunt over on the Lyndie England thread (accusing others of being intellectually dishonest by being intellectually dishonest yourself).
Another hypocrite joins the WEblog, oh joy. :roll:
The only reason that the CONs seem to admire King today is because he’s dead.
When he was alive, the Regulars and AmWays of their day put up billboards of King with the word “communist” under his photo. James J. Kilpatrick and William F. Buckley in magazines like The National Review attacked civil rights legislation as “denying individual’s rights” — one’s individual right to make someone else eat in the kitchen, apparently.
No, the only anti-war, pro-big government liberal that the CONs can admire is a dead one.
Substance 22, your blog name is an oxymoron.
“How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?”
Once again, we have someone who because he has watched viral exerpts from Wright’s sermons, presumes to be an expert on Jeremiah Wright typically said in his services. And as has been pointed out before, there is a difference between racism (whitie is bad) verses raging against a power structure that intentionally kept down African Americans (you know, the part of what Wright said that actually happens to be true).
Not to mention someone who uncritically relays stuff from Human Events.
Substantive you are not.
Obama has made his own stands on these issues clear for several years, and they are not similar to those expressed in the exerpted snippits from Jeremiah Wright. Furthermore, Obama did not simply dismiss what Wright said, he put his comments in context. But then, context and the truth is not the concern of right wingers who think they have a winner of an attack, and will regurgitate the sitting in the pews meme continually.
ksassnostic
translation: Yet another Radical leftist lib who is sanctimonious beyond tolerance and loves to brand others with his own brand of ethics.
Causative (notice the correct spelling) factors indeed…
ksassnostic loves to analyze by judgmental arm flailing along with some ‘Bushims’ thrown in there.
He is just another lemming of the far left incapable of seeing past his shaking accusatory finger, nothing to see here, move along.
Here’s what King would be preaching if he were alive today against another immoral and idiotic war — and just like they did back then, the Regulars and the Maxes and the Prices and the Am Ways would be calling him “traitor” “unpatriotic” “America-hating” “communist.”
And don’t let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, “You are too arrogant. If you don’t change your ways I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name.
Pedant,
I fail to see how calling a racist a racist has anything to do with denouncing the media that endangered our soldiers and got some killed.
Yeah, CraponAmerica must know what MLK would say because of the Crapn’s African-American Heritage.
What a maroon.
“AmWays of their day put up billboards of King with the word “communist” under his photo.”
Captain that is such an outlandish remark. You can stereotype your neocons as racists (which would be a lie because it would be more fitting to democrats during the sixties revolution), but not me.
I was in 2nd grade when the first black student joined my lilly white elementarty school. I have been a part of the equal rights movement from a very young age.
So go ahead and call your “neocon’s” racists without supporting data all you want. For me, you better show some backup. You know there is none, so I can only suppose you are trying to get my goat early on this fine Friday morning.
No apology will ever come. But you do need to give me a pass on MY next foul.
JR said,
“With his inept handling of his own personal embarrassment, Obama is hurting not just himself but the Democratic party.”
This is accurate. Obama, perhaps because he’s still a new kid on the block, so to speak, has allowed the skeletons to come tumbling out of his closet, knocking down his chances of winning the nomination and hurting the democrat party in the process.
His acts hurt Hillary, too. She has two choices, she can stand up for what she believes in – and risk the wrath of the militant Obamanation or she tuck her tail between her legs and slink off, allowing the democrat party to nominate a naive junior congressman who has no place at the helm of our country.
For the Obama crowd to go after Ferraro with daggers in their eyes, only to sputter protests when their own candidate’s judgment is called into question is clearly hypocritical.
Wright isn’t the worst thing that Obama has to face – Rezko is.
Jeremaiah looks like a choir boy compared to the political fixer, now sitting in jail, who conveniently made it possible for Obama and his wife to buy the house they wanted but couldn’t afford.
People don’t like liars and Obama is looking like he might be a big one.
It’s not racist to call him a liar.
If the media is correct, it’s the truth.
Komrade
Posted March 21, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink
Pedant,
I fail to see how calling a racist a racist has anything to do with denouncing the media that endangered our soldiers and got some killed.
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Don’t doubt it for a second.
I’ve always found it amusing, the way the same Wingnuts whose political fortunes soared at the splitting of the Democratic coalition by civil rights, try to rebrand MLK as some sort of libertarian conservative. Typical Wingnut fantasy: reactionaries did everything they could to silence Dr. King, and now they try to take credit for him.
Of more immediate interest is the racist / Islamaphobic paranoia regarding Obama, as one sees on this thread from the likes of Right Angle. For reactionary racists, like RA and others, no black man is to be trusted. And what pisses reactionaries off SO MUCH, is that Obama TOTALLY understands them. He’s been around people like this ALL HIS LIFE.
As predicted, the Leftists will bring out any comment against comment as racist.
Libs are so easy to predict.
Hey, it’s their Negro because they have made Obama their main Negro through their assignment, if they want to kill his chance for President, then they should continue to concentrate on race alone.
Libs are so inept…
“King also preached of injustice” – BUT that was a VERY different time…a lot has changed since then. The “injustices” now are hardly the same as the ones 40 years ago, that is why Rev. Wright’s comments were so offensive and hurtful. These comments are from a man that is still living in the past and will never see any change in the way whites treat blacks, or vice versa, no matter WHAT advances are made in this country.
And….
“you ignore the people on YOUR side who do sh*t like this, saying how he doesnt’ love America.”
this statement MIGHT (MIGHT!) be true, but show me where there is a story in the media about a white preacher spewing hate towards America and other races directly to a presidential canidate for 20 years straight, and then you could find out if that statement is actually true.
The freedom of speech allows Rev. Wright to say what he pleases, but my issue is the fact that Mr. Obama considered this person to be a close friend and a mentor in all aspects of his life… I personally wouldn’t vote for anyone that considered a racial bigot to be a life inspiration. We have enough problems in our government without adding one more…
As predicted, the Leftists will bring out any comment against comment as racist.
should read as
As predicted, the Leftists will bring out any comment against Obama as racist.
“I can hear God saying to America, ‘You are too arrogant. If you don’t change your ways I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name.’”
When Wright says it, he’s a racist America-hater.
When King says it . . . well . . . he’s King, and he’s conveniently dead.
“I have been a part of the equal rights movement from a very young age.”
To clarify before being attacked: I did not march with MLK. I did not cross any bridges.
I meant I “grew up” during it. Racial riots in the city with curfews. Worried parents when homes were being burned/lotted. Feeling sorry for the two black kids they bus to our school. School teachers who had recently been provided teaching materials to teach elementary kids about race. Even watching the eyes of the little old lady school teacher get as big as quarters as the first black classmate was seated. Watching it unfold in living black and white on TV. Later participating in sports programs where I was introduced to a team regardless of color, and finally, spending some time in the military where I had buddies and friends from all colors and creeds who were all green. And now we live with color as part of our life.
(Interesting, it isn’t an absence of color, or color blindness now. Because I’d be a liar if I said I didn’t notice my friends, coworkers, or now family members skin color. It’s just that it makes no difference to me. It does count though. Acknowledging their heritage vice fearing it.)
Angie writes
“These comments are from a man that is still living in the past and will never see any change in the way whites treat blacks, or vice versa, no matter WHAT advances are made in this country.”
Gee, Angie, did you read Obama’s speech on the matter, because that’s exactly what he said too.
As for right-wing America-hating preachers, you need only look at Southern Baptist Jerry Falwell’s statements immediately following 9-11, in which he blamed the terrorist attacks as divine retribution specifically citing “pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the American Civil Liberties Union and the People For the American Way” to which his fellow man of the cloth, Pat Robertson responded “I concur.”
When Falwell says it . . . well . . . he’s Falwell, and he’s conveniently dead.
(chortles)
Yup, and I wouldn’t want to be where Falwell is for the money in the collection plate at his mega-church . . .
Now the Libs would have Obama annoited as the next MLK! That’s a joke.
Would MLK say:
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t,” Obama told WIP Sports Radio.
“But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/21/2008-03-21_barack_obama_tries_to_explain_that_good_.html
What hell would there be for McCain to pay IF he said:
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t,” McCain told WIP Sports Radio.
“But she is a typical black person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
There wouldn’t be any reaction at all, Max.
Except surprise that a RepubliCON is talking honestly about the issue of race for once.
You’re just a Typical Lib Capn.
“As long as the liberals are going to try and target whites to instill some sort of guilt over what their ancestors did generations ago – we all have a dog in this fight. Stating otherwise is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty.
And suffice it to say that our input today will bear the fruit of tomorrow’s black population.”
You think you should have a say in who blacks choose as a leader —
ya cant get much more racist than that —-
and you object to MLK’s nonviolent protests of the injustice — — yep pretty radical
and the most absurd thing is you think you’re being persecuted or abused and you dont think that minorities — blacks are not victims of racism to this day —- Obama wasnt saying you’re a racist and you have to pay — he was saying the dialogue could be better from both camps
“As for right-wing America-hating preachers, you need only look at Southern Baptist Jerry Falwell’s statements immediately following 9-11, in which he blamed the terrorist attacks as divine retribution specifically citing “pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the American Civil Liberties Union and the People For the American Way” to which his fellow man of the cloth, Pat Robertson responded “I concur.””
That is all nice, but that doesn’t really compare to this situation… I assume next you will tell me that Clinton and McCain are both regular attendees at Mr. Robertson’s church and listen to, and subject their children to, that type of hate and bigotry? I never said there is no racism or bigotry in other churches, ONLY that one black church… you are trying to put words in my mouth.
And as far as the “oo-so-wonderful” speech from Obama, yes, we are saying the same thing, but I was referring to the title of the article, which attempts to put Rev. Wright and MLK in the same class… and they are not…
Max,
I’ve been a lib all my life (and that’s a long time). :-( I’ve known many libs but have no idea what a “typical” lib is. I’m not asking your definition because, frankly, I don’t put value in your opinion and, I’ve had the opportunity to read your definitions since you came to this board. If you can’t see big differences in the libs who post here, you’re just not looking. I suspect that’s the case — you are as uninterested in the lib’s opinions as we are yours.
My friend Tracy said it succinctly: “I couldn’t get this bunch of libs to agree on where to eat lunch if I was buying!”
We truly are the party of diversity and our motto should be Will Rogers words, “I don’t belong to any organized party -— I’m a Democrat.”
Can’t you look around and see how we’re trying our darnest to lose the upcoming elections against ALL odds!?
Linda, you are a Typical Woman.
lol !!
I am, I admit, a total bigot and aware I am a member of the superior sex.
Ok Linda, as a married man, I have to agree with you. Women are always right. The wife is always right. And it’s better to admit that then to be in the doghouse.
There’s no “typical white person” just like there’s no “typical black person”, or “typical man”, or “typical liberal”, or “typical conservative”. Those who use such language believe in racially stereotyping people based on the color of their skin.
Obama said his grandmother was a “typical white person”.
What does that tell you about Barack, especially when we now know more about the 20-year relationship Barack had with the radical, black, racist Reverend Wright?
And I do see the arguments between the Libs on this blog over Obama vs Clinton.
What I don’t see are the substantive differences between the two candidates being debated.
Max, I think Obama’s words were great and if you pick apart each one you’ll be able to come up with even more examples of what you choose his words to mean.
There isn’t a nickel’s worth of difference in the policies of Clinton and Obama. The differences are between both of them and McCain.
A racist statement, “They all look alike to me” —
Another racist statement, “Black preachers all sound alike ot me!”
Yet Obama condemns a man to help get him fired when he uses 3 inappropriate words.
IMUS
Judge me not with the same standards by which I judge others.
What I do find both amusing and alarming is the Wright’s speech, right or wrong, was somehow this great surprise to so many people.
I mean, honestly: how many black friends do you have, folks?
Another question would be, how many miles have you walked in a black man’s shoes?
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lindainks55
Posted March 21, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink
Another question would be, how many miles have you walked in a black man’s shoes?
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An even better question.
How many miles have you walked in a black man’s shoes lindainks55?
0?
Then quit spouting some sort of superiority when you just have observer status.
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Rage
Posted March 21, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
What I do find both amusing and alarming is the Wright’s speech, right or wrong, was somehow this great surprise to so many people.
I mean, honestly: how many black friends do you have, folks?
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Wow, that was a racist remark, stating that all Black people sound and act like Reverend Wright.
Evidently, you have not met Black Generals, Colonels or High Ranking NCO’s like I have. It is also evident, you haven’t met black Physicians or Dentists who have no accent at all (other than American) or haven’t met any Black Judges who rule with the same consistency as their white counterparts do.
Evidently, you have not met Black School Teachers who without a hint of “Black” accent or “Black” colloquiums can quote Shakespeare, recite Science and Math with clarity or Black English teachers who are ever bit as ardent as their Caucasian equals.
What is racist is Rage’s remark that all Black people sound and act like the Reverend-uh Wright.
You’re kidding me right Rage? You don’t actually believe all Black people sound, act and have the same opinion as the Reverend-uh Wright?
You’re kidding me right Rage? You don’t actually believe all Black people sound, act and have the same opinion as the Reverend-uh Wright?
Heheh, no, and of course didn’t say that either.
Between that nonsense and Max’s Imus red herring, I think my work here is done! :)
WOW! Richardson follows a great speech with another great speech. I hope a cabinet position is his if he wants it (again). He will serve America well (again!).
“America must become a beacon for the world again.”
We really can overcome the years of bushco.
10 months, 1 day, 18 hours, 56 minutes
lol Rage.
They do themselves well, don’t they? A tiny lead here, a tiny suggestion there…
lol
Also Monday night, presidential hopeful Barack Obama weighed in on Imus’ remarks.
“The comments of Don Imus were divisive, hurtful and offensive to Americans of all backgrounds,” said the senator from Illinois. “With a public platform, comes a trust. As far as I’m concerned, he violated that trust.”
http://www.wnbc.com/news/11586673/detail.html?dl=mainclick
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Now a preacher can say anything because he doesn’t need to maintain trust with his church members.
Obama was making a comment typical of a black man I guess.
Obama will UNITE America!
Libs
This one will hurt you for a long long time.
This will not go away.
“This one will hurt you for a long long time.”
Nope.
Let’s all take a step back and quit looking at Martin Luther King as a “black” man. He was an American. His message was for the freedom of every individual, regardless of race, religion, etc. Some of you people sicken me with your division of Americans into groups. You are creating division between Americans and allowing for socialism to creep in and “solve” everything.
Tell me this speech from Martin Luther King has anything to do with racial equality:
Don’t let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgement and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, “You are too arrogant, and if you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power and I’ll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name. Be still and know that I am God.”
This speech attacks our governments policy of policing the world and how we are really a threat to ourselves. Get off your soapbox with this talk of Martin Luther King Jr as a “black” advocate. He was more than that. Do not pigeon hole him as a civil rights leader like our propaganda driven education system wants. He was a champion for freedom for all of hman kind.
Actually, my mother is of the same “type” as Obama’s grandmother. One of the first questions my mother asked me about Virginia was, “Aren’t there an awful lot of blacks there?” Pregnant pause. “I mean more than in Wichita?” Another pause. “You know I don’t hold people’s color against them, I’m just asking.”
And of course I love her to death. Crochety old woman she’s become, she’s still mom to me. She can be a trip in public, though, no doubt about it.
I know exactly what he meant by that. I suspect there are LOTS of Americans who understand it, too.
Note there was no throwing of relatives under any means of public transportation here. Just as there wasn’t in Obama’s case, either.
My parents were/are similar to yours, Pedant. They usually referred to black people as “colored,” black men as “boys” etc.
They did not consider those to be racist comments. I did.
On one occasion, I nearly had my head taken off when, in response to my father’s “colored boy” comment, I asked “what color was he?”
It has become fashionable for white folks to deny that racism exists in this country – and any suggestion that it does exist is un-American and divisive.
Unfortunately, racism still does exist in a large measure in the United States, but it just is disguised better now. True, it is less virulent than it was fifty years ago, but to deny that it exists is just naive or a statement made out of denial.
The Vietnamese, in New Orleans, are doing just fine.
You never hear them complain.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/WireStory?id=3795536&page=2
This is, probably, because nobody tells the Vietnamese to blame all of their problems on “Whitey”!
Econ101,
When you make threats like the one above, you sure sound to me like a good little racist.
Threats?
I never make threats CF.
You are the racist, CF, you think that the “Black vote” belongs to YOU and your causes.
It does not.
“It does not.”
That is why so many black REPUBLICANS are elected to office.
Like, um, what his name……………….
WS
With Black ministers like Wright, Farrahkan, Sharpton and Jackson ready to rip apart any Black person for NOT supporting the Democrat Party, it is obvious why most Black politicians do not take that route.
Obama IS the problem, since Obama supports the hate and the conspiracy kook stuff in (some) Black churches.
“Obama IS the problem, since Obama supports the hate and the conspiracy kook stuff in (some) Black churches.”
Obama is the problem? Seems to me that he denounced the racially divisive statements that his pastor made – or are you claiming to KNOW what Obama REALLY thinks?
“it is obvious why most Black politicians do not take that route.”
That is just flatout stupid, Rossell.
Are you really trying to claim that black Americans would flock to the Republic Party if it were not for Jackson, Farrahkan, etc?
Are you trying to say that black folks are mindless sheep?
I would hope that is not true.
“ksassnostic
“translation: Yet another Radical leftist lib who is sanctimonious beyond tolerance and loves to brand others with his own brand of ethics.
“Causative (notice the correct spelling) factors indeed…
“ksassnostic loves to analyze by judgmental arm flailing along with some ‘Bushims’ thrown in there.
“He is just another lemming of the far left incapable of seeing past his shaking accusatory finger, nothing to see here, move along.”
Translation: Please notice meeeeeee! Taaaaaaake the baaaaaaaait! Iiiiiii caaaaaalled yooooou aaaaaassnostic.
ReL Regular
DNFTT
WS
Obama did not to SQUAT until Wright’s statements became public, and began to hurt Obama.
Obama has had 20 years to put a stop to this conspiracy stuff.
Obama wimped out.
We do not need a wimp for President.
WS
There is not a predominately Black precinct, anywhere in America, where Republican presidential candidates do not pull at least a small percentage of the votes.
There is a strong Black Republican segment of the voing public.
If Hillary wins?
LOL
The Black vote will come home to the Party of Lincoln.
“Obama has had 20 years to put a stop to this conspiracy stuff.”
And you know Wright preached this same theme every Sunday HOW? And you know that Obama attended every service when this was the theme HOW?
And as far as having a wimp in the White House? You seem to be REAL happy with the wimp that you Republics have at 1600 Pennsylvania right now.
“There is a strong Black Republican segment of the voing public.”
And how many black Republicans have they elected to Congress? How many black Republicans are in office right now?
“The Black vote will come home to the Party of Lincoln.”
Yeah, I can black voters SWARMING to vote for John S. McCain.
Woo!!!!!!
“‘Obama has had 20 years to put a stop to this conspiracy stuff.’
“And you know Wright preached this same theme every Sunday HOW? And you know that Obama attended every service when this was the theme HOW?”
Of course, the answer is. he doesn’t.
“And as far as having a wimp in the White House? You seem to be REAL happy with the wimp that you Republics have at 1600 Pennsylvania right now.”
Econ is like the Energizer Bunny with one wheel out of whack.
He keeps spinning and spinning and spinning.
Truly a shill.
Econ101
Posted March 21, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
If Hillary wins?
LOL
The Black vote will come home to the Party of Lincoln.
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Now THAT’s funny. :lol:
Yah, they’ll feel right at home, I’m sure.
The Party of Lincoln: throw your black preacher under the bus, ok? THEN come over and join us white men. You could listen to Toby Keith!
In the immortal words of that g-r-e-a-t American, Capt. John O’Hagen, [In an Irish accent] “I’ll believe ya when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet. “
Obama will not be President, without some huge miracle.
It would take a popular conservative, running as a third party candidate, or something very much like that, for Obama to win.
It is sad, I was hopeful that Obama could put the Jackson’s, Sharpton’s and Farrahkan’s out of business.
However, Obama and Wright are just more of the same.
At the very least, there will be no “coat tails” for the Democrats, in this election.
“It is sad, I was hopeful that Obama could put the Jackson’s, Sharpton’s and Farrahkan’s out of business.”
Yeah, the black voters should rely on a good Republican like Trent Lott or Thad Cochran to represent their interests.
Econ101
Posted March 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
Obama will not be President, without some huge miracle.
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Translation: the wacky right will never vote for Obama.
Yawn. What a shocker THAT is. :roll:
The day after the election will find paul curled up rocking on the floor muuttering “Now they’ll see. Now they’ll see.”
Sen. Barack Obamanation’s apostate Chicago Trinity United Church of Christ cult in 2007 reprinted a manifesto by Hamas, a Muslim terrorist group whose main objective is to kill all Jews. The newsletter compared the terrorist charter to the USofA’s Declaration of Independence.
[It appears that this congregation goes a lot further than just damning the whites in the USofA. This would make Rev. Wright a terrorist, for publishing terrorist propaganda.]
The anti-white anti-Semitic anti-American pro-terrorist Rev. Wright also shook hands with William the Slick at a White House prayer breakfast in 1998.
Is anyone aware that United Church of Christ of which Trinity is affilliated is prodominately white kinda strange for a separatist church. I can appreciate Bill Richardson’s courage to stand with Senator Obama.
Obama08
More hate-spew from our champion name-caller Parkay I see.
“Econ101
Posted March 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
Obama will not be President, without some huge miracle.”
Didn’t you say the same thing about Raj Goyle?
“William the Slick at a White House prayer breakfast”
Would that be the William with a 67% approval rating or were you referring to someone else, Parkie?
The Jewish Times is right about Obama:
http://www.jewishtimes.com/index.php/jewishtimes/news/jt/local_news/comment_obamas_disturbing_link_to_pastor/
Spin, Paul, spin…………………………..
I highly doubt that Mr. Clinton knew the extent of “Rev.” Wright’s extremism a decade ago.
Presidents cannot always be expected to be all things to all people at all times, any more than priests can. I’ve seen them try, and it’s a thankless aspiration.
Say what you wish about Mr. Clinton; even his most vociferous foes acknowledge that he’s a wonderful father to Chelsea.
Sorry, but when you reside in the same house for nearly 14 years with a drunken dips–t who has absolutely NO connection with his family, you sort of respect this sort of thing. Whether the person is pro-life, pro-choice, undecided or agonized like so many.
And, yes, I can’t deny his approval ratings, either. Although I do damn his choice of interns……..
WS
I do not need to spin, do I?
It is the Democrat Party that needs to explain this mess.
So far, I have eplained it all better than any apologist for Obama:
Obama used Wright to get ahead, politically.
Obama turned a blind eye to Wright’s CLOSE frienship with the Nation of Islam and Farrahkan.
Obama turned a blind eye to Wright’s crazy conspiracy theories about AIDS and other kooky stuff.
Obama ignored the hate, wanting Wright’s help.
Now, Obama presents himself as a “uniter” and so Obama throws his Grandmother and Farrahkan under the bus.
But, Obama will not distance himself from Wright.
Obama wants it both ways: Obama wants “credit” for criticizing Wright (20 years too late) and Obama wants the support of others in the Black community who agree with Wright.
Oh, the rampant racism on this Blog is actually extremely demeaning, to the City of Wichita… doing its best to overcome racial bigotry… I still remember separte drinking fountains at the Zoo for blacks(coloreds) and whites… also separate bathrooms…. I remember when Blacks(coloreds) couldnt sit at the Lunch Counter downtown at Kress’s when I was a kid. They had to sit in a booth, or stand along the wall… I remember when an uncle of mine used to talk about going on “coon hunts” in western kansas… and he wasnt talking about 4 legged critters…. No, they caught them, and then hunted them down along the KS/OK border… They thought it was fun… and my folks — neither one of them — ever told him to stop with his stories…
Yea, there was some DAMNED RACISM in this city 50 years ago… And when the Civil Rights Bill passed, my father look at my mother and said: Well, it wont be long now before they make us move to make room for some GD N*****s to move in….
The house is still there… and my family still lives there… 44 years later… So, Daddy was totally, dead wrong…. I wonder if in his death, he learned the stupidity of his ways??
And now, I read this racist, vitriolic spew coming from the Reich Wingers on this Blog, and many of those old, stupid, hateful, memories come rushing back… And I wonder just how far we HAVE come??
Maybe not nearly as far as MLK and others would have hoped for by now….
Well, it’s Good Friday… I hope HE didnt die for naught!! But when I look at the Racism on this Blog, I wonder… I really wonder….
Leave it to a phony preacher to wonder if Jesus died for nothing.
Chas
Obama claims he wants a frank discussion about race.
You, Chas?
You just want to shut everyone up.
Tough. You are wrong. The Civil Rights movement is off track. Most Civil Rights leaders are doing a huge disservice to the Black community.
It is not “racist” to call Pastor J. Wright a racist and a kook.
It is not “racist” to say that Obama’s Church, and Obama’s Pastor, should NOT have praised Farrahkan, and that Wright should not have supported Khadaffi and Hamas.
It IS RACIST to think that Black people should be treated any differently than White people.
You would never allow a White person to make such wild statements in YOUR church — but you would give a Black minister a pass?
That makes YOU a racist Chas!
Econ WHERE did I say any of what you just spewed???
Econ–
Quote a passage that shows evidence that Rev. Wright is racist.
Yea, Econ, What CAPN said….
Capn you can’t be serious!
Econ, the Preaching Expert spews >>>>
“You would never allow a White person to make such wild statements in YOUR church — but you would give a Black minister a pass?”
WRONG AGAIN Econ… I have heard such things from White preachers!! Even made a FEW such statements myself over the years…
Actually, JR, there is a HUGE difference between what Econ wrongly identifies as Racist, and what Rev. Wright preaches, which is termed, tecnically, “Liberation Theology”
Well I’ll tell you what Wright IS
He is a tremendous political liability. In my humble opinion I also have some doubts as to his sanity.
“It IS RACIST to think that Black people should be treated any differently than White people.”
Yep, thats true… and thats what Rev. Wright is saying!! Econ agrees with Rev. Wright!! LOL What a hoot!!
See, Econ, Rev. Wright, at no point, has said that Black people should be treated any differently than White people…. But that ALL people should be treated as AMERICANS!!!
And when our very government FAILS to do that, THEN, we are ALL to blame for it!!
Rev. Wright is RETIRED… I have not checked the Clergy Roster of the UCC to find his effective retirement date, but he is RETIRED!!
The sermon “quotes” came from DIFFERENT sermons preached over the course of the past SEVEN YEARS…. not all from one Sermon…
If people would only actually READ for dates, and places, and times, etc., they would know these little tid bits of information… instead of making up a bunch of CRAP about something they obviously know nothing about to start with… Just Racist allegations against one of the most NON-Racist preachers in this country!!!
Econ, YOU and others here should be ashamed of perpetuating the Racist Past of Wichita…
JR — Rev. Wright may well be a political liability… Please notice that many of the more “prophetic” style preachers dont RUN for political office… MLK never RAN for office… WRIGHT never ran for political office… Billy GRAHAM never ran for political office(he was prophetic in his own way)… Falwell never RAN for office… MANY of the prophetic preachers never RAN for office, because MANY of them would be political liability cases… They are just PREACHERS…. And it is their JOB to show the shortcomings, and call for justice… NOT to run for public office!!!
I have been approached several times over the years to run for local school boards… I have ALWAYS declined… In small communities, many times School Teachers/Administrators sit on my Church Board… It would NOT be appropriate for me, as their Pastor, to sit on the Board that determines their salaries and contracts….
I would be a political liability to such a School District… The same goes for some of these high profile Preachers….
Would I have said the same comments as Rev. Wright??? Probably not in the same WAY as he said them…
But, the same themes??? YOU BET!! Because those THEMES effect the lives of every person in that congregation!!
There again, would I preach the same themes in a rural setting as Wright preaches in the inner city??? Absolutely NOT…. different circumstances!!
Well, as I said earlier ….
“Well, it’s Good Friday… I hope HE didnt die for naught!! But when I look at the Racism on this Blog, I wonder… I really wonder…”
I am out of here to observe Tennebrae, The Service of Shadows, for Good Friday…
Peace Be With You All This Night!!
I am excited to see that Pauliecon is so determined to out all racists. So, this would mean, Pauliecon, that you’re prepared to call for Kris Kobach to step down as the chairman of the Kansas Republican Party? Right?…
Kobach braged about caging voters in 2006. He works for the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI) which the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The latter being a group identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a hate group.
The SPLC named Kobach as one of the top twenty nativist hate activitists to be the watch for this upcoming year. Read the SPLC take on this Republican nut case here:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1527
It really is not right, is it, Paulie, to go around calling everyone you run into a racist when your party is allowing this man his leadership role? The stench of such hypocrisy is overwhelming, quite frankly. This even tops your usual and customary lunacy.
This is sad. This is very sad. Not only is “Rev.” Wright pathological in this thinking, but it clouds the good that religion (i.e. spirituality) can impart.
Nineteen years ago (on Good Friday), I walked nearly two miles (as I did every Sunday) to attend Mass. Going to church was the only happiness I knew at that time; I was suffering from major depression, and a month-long hospitalization loomed three months in the future.
Recovery was a double-edged sword: With increased health came increased knowledge. While still hospitalized, my doctor gravely intoned (as did many physicians after him) that I was one of those women who could never have children. He didn’t just “strongly discourage” me from having them. He forbid me from doing so.
I knew that, if I were ever to be married, I couldn’t live up to the severity of “Humanae Vitae.” Thus began the long, arduous task of deciding to leave the Church.
I still miss my pastor of 1989. I still remember his homilies (sermons) which rang out like hosannas from the heavens. I also remember his anguish, which we candidly revealed in a pastoral letter to his flock. (It didn’t take a rocket scientist to discern that he was overworked, struggling with celibacy, struggling with the priest shortage, and still harboring a deep love for his vocation.)
I remember the blessing of the sick this priest conferred one dismal day in June of that year, weeks before I entered the hospital.
Religion can’t cure everything. It certainly wasn’t my panacea.
But when misguided, hateful individuals like “Rev.” Wright spew their guts publicly, it hurts others. I have no doubt that this has caused Sen. Obama much difficulty.
And it shouldn’t have happened. Not during the Easter season, the time of renewal and reconciliation.
Steven, Paul isn’t interested in “outing” the racists who have an “R” beside their name. Remember IOKIYAR.
Geez is Senator Clinton the ONLY candidate without religious whack jobs?
“Hagee, in ‘NYT’ This Sunday, Says McCain Sought His Endorsement
By Greg Mitchell
Published: March 20, 2008 5:35 PM ET
NEW YORK In an interview that will appear in this Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, controversial televangelist Rev. John Hagee declares, “It’s true that [John] McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement.”
Uh oh!
My slightly more famous cousin, Hissy, and I would like to register our objections to Mr. Hagee’s endorsement of Sen. McCain. Mr. Hagee’s main endeavor in life is to convert Jews to Jesus.
As people of Jewish decent, we consider Mr. Hagee to be very anti-semitic because of his beliefs that Jews are not God’s People. He is anti-semitic to the core, and should be highly ostracized for many of the hateful things he preaches in his Church week, after week, after week.
J R, I will tell everyone that you are my friend! Friendship carries certain responsibilities and privileges like being there if needed, sharing the ups and downs without judgments, enjoying one another’s company, thoughts, cares and dreams… Does that make me an appendage of you? Does that mean that you and I always agree? Does that make me responsible for what you say and do?
Mr. Hagee’s other claim to fame is his desire (CUFI) to sacrifice Jews on his alter of the second coming. He wants to see Armageddon started in the Middle East which he believes with bring that all about.
Well, see that’s just the problem with McCain now.
He used to be Mr Straight Talk — as in he could be relied on for just basic, normally rational thought and action, a guy with both feet firmly planted in the Reality Community — but now he’s become Mr Cave.
As in:
Gotta round up the god vote? Go to Texas, home to a REALLY vile tribe of the GOP, and see John Hagee, go to Liberty U and Regent U in Virginia, and promise whatever it takes to get the fundamentalists to turn out and work like dogs to get you elected.
–Cave in to whoever to get whatever it takes to win the nomination.
Gotta round up the national security hawk vote? Go to Iraq, promise another hundred years of war, accuse Iranian Shiites of supporting Saudi Arabian Wahhabists (al Qaeda), and promise whatever it takes to get Big Dick’s neocons not to torpedo you like they did in 2000.
–Cave in to whoever to get whatever it takes to win the nomination.
Gotta round up the fiscal hawks? Go to Grover Norquist, fawn, confess publicly that you neither understand nor care about macroeconomics, promise no new taxes even before you’re prez (how in the heck can a responsible candidate for POTUS, without a day in office, promise that he can NEVER raise taxes?!?), and promise whatever else it takes to get Grover Norquist not to torpedo you like he did to Bush 41 in 1992.
–Cave in to whoever to get whatever it takes to win the nomination.
The guy has, in just the past 7 months or so, done so much damage to his reputation that it’s become almost impossible to vote for him in the general.
He’d have to jump through Ringling Brother hoops to convince me now that he’s his own man, that he can stand up to the worst elements of his own party (especially nuts like Hagee). He certainly doesn’t appear as strong and vigorous as Bush 43, who was turned by these same bozos into Augustus Stupidus within a year of taking office in 2001 (being generous to Mr Stupidus here…you should take note since its vastly unclear whether prez bozo was EVER a member of anything other than the “I make my own reality, it’s your job to keep up” community).
WOW! Pedant, I’ve always enjoyed reading your posts. You’ve outdone yourself. How very true. Sad, but true.
You’re my friend too linda.
That is why I brought Mr. Haggee here. : )
And though I have no particular interest in helping Obama by taking the light off of him?
Editors?
We have had several threads on Obama and his Pastor Wright. And since the story is still evolving, we may well need more threads about that.
BUT
I should think a McCain/Hagee thread is in order?
Anybody wanna second that?
Chas
The Rev. Wright openly supports Louis Farrahkan, a hate monger and leader of the Nation of Islam. Farrahkan believes that Jews belong to a “gutter religion” and Farrahkan’s very theology says that White people are “devils”.
You are being ridiculous!
To openly support a racist and a bigot is to BE a racist and a bigot.
Case closed!
McCain is doing a pretty good job of doing himself in and then he has some GREAT help from those on this board. If a whole thread to talk about him now being Mr. Cave (with full credit to Pedant!!) will bring about conversation, then we should have it.
Chas,
You are full of it pal!
It will not work. You are trying to intimidate and silence peole through the threat of calling them “racist” we disagree with you.
“Liberation Theology” is crack pot stuff, stupid, bad politics, bad economics and NOT Christian.
That you, Chas, would support “Liberation Theology” is not surprising.
“Obama used Wright to get ahead, politically.”
How?
“Obama turned a blind eye to Wright’s CLOSE frienship with the Nation of Islam and Farrahkan.”
What close “frienship?”
“Obama ignored the hate, wanting Wright’s help.”
And you know this HOW?
““Liberation Theology” is crack pot stuff, stupid, bad politics, bad economics and NOT Christian.”
Not according to a lot of Catholics I know Paul. Since when are you the arbiter of what is and what is not Christian?
From the Kansas Catholic Conference:
LEGISLATIVE ALERT – IMMIGRATION
Please Respond Today – Contact your Legislators
Since the beginning of the 2008 Kansas Legislative Session the Kansas Catholic Conference has been monitoring two major immigration bills:
Substitute Senate Bill 458
House Substitute for S.B. 329
The Kansas Catholic Conference testified in opposition to both bills. Archbishop Joseph Naumann, D.D. of the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas gave moving testimony before the Senate Committee explaining the position of the Catholic Church. He urged legislators “to find solutions that truly protect all who call Kansas home – policies that are both humane in the treatment of the immigrant and truly work for the best interest of all Kansans.” (Full text of this statement can be found here.)
Both of these bills are scheduled to be debated in the full House and Senate the first of next week. Please contact your Senators and ask them to oppose Senate Substitute 458 and your Representatives to oppose House Substitute for S.B. 329. Tell them the Kansas Catholic Conference supports just, comprehensive immigration reform that respects the God-Given human dignity of every person. Neither of these bills accomplishes this end.
Act now and contact your legislators. The Legislative Hotline at 1-800-432-3924 can:
· Help you find the names of your legislators
· Give a SHORT message to your legislators
At the website http://www.kslegislature.org you can find email addresses for your legislators by clicking Senate Roster/House Roster.
“To openly support a racist and a bigot is to BE a racist and a bigot.”
So McCain is a racist and a bigot due to the endorsement that he sought and received from Hagee and Pasley?
I thought so…………
“To openly support a racist and a bigot is to BE a racist and a bigot.
Case closed!”
So, since McCain seeks out Hagee …
WS
Do you know how to use a browser?
Pastor Wright and Farrahkan are very close friends.
http://www.jewishtimes.com/index.php/jewishtimes/news/jt/local_news/comment_obamas_disturbing_link_to_pastor/
There are other links, but Wright DID give an award to Farrahkan.
Farrahkan and Wright met with Khadaffi, when Kchadaffi was a sworn enemy of the United States.
The main difference is, Hagee is not McCain’s Pastor nor is Hagee McCain’s Mentor.
Libs 0 Cons 2
“There are other links, but Wright DID give an award to Farrahkan.”
For his work in the inner city.
“Farrahkan and Wright met with Khadaffi, when Kchadaffi was a sworn enemy of the United States.”
So did Jackson – and he got hostages released.
Bush the Smarter met with the Iranians when they were holding 54 of ours hostage and made a “arms for hostages” deal culminating with their release on inauguration day.
You cons seem to be okay with that……………..
“The main difference is, Hagee is not McCain’s Pastor nor is Hagee”
Huh?
But anyway, why did McBush SEEK the endorsement from Hagee?
Thanks linda, I have always enjoyed reading your posts, too. :D
Thing is, how can the Republics support him? What makes them think he caves only to heads of the Republic trinity?
For example. What if the US economy melts down completely early in McCain’s term? If enough pressure is applied, what makes you think he won’t cave to arguments set forth by, say, Gordon Howard of the UK? What if PM Howard convinces McCain that GATT is at risk, but that it can be saved if McCain acts forcefully. What if Howard convinces McCain that, in order to preserve the American economy as a (if not the) dominant global economy, McCain must drive toward and support action to provide a social safety net, to workers displaced by global trade, one similar to the social safety net established by Howard as Exchecquer of Britain? Given McCain’s past actions, what makes you think that McCain — a guy who by his own admission doesn’t know a lick about economics — would be less amenable to such an argument than either Obama or Clinton?
Do you guys not see how weak McCain’s “core” principles have become over the past year or so?!?
Ben
The Pope, the Vatican, and many Bishops with AUTHORITY in the Church have warned AGAINST “Liberaton Theology”
It is twisted and wrong.
http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=643
“The Pope, the Vatican, and many Bishops with AUTHORITY in the Church have warned AGAINST “Liberaton Theology””
If the Catholic Church is AGAINST it, then I am FOR it.
In the final analysis, “Liberation Theology” teaches that results are more important than Faith or Belief.
This is why a crack pot like Wright can give awards to a crack pot like Farrahkan, and how they can both can support terrorists like Hamas and Khadaffi!
Listen to the phony preacher defend the phony preacher here!
Slapstick!
Socialists and Communists have tried to make “usefull idiots” out of Church leaders ever since Karl Marx wrote his stupid book.
The bottom line is, however, that “Subsidiarity” remains a principal of the Church, and the Church does not support Socialism or Communism for that reason.
http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?id=6155&repos=1&subrepos=&searchid=207879
The ends can not justify the means, even if the method works.
In the case of Socialism, the method does NOT help the poor, and the method, Socialism, advances the cause of tyranny.
Therefore, the Pope has spoken against “liberation theology” much to the disappointment of liberal, Socialist Priests.
Paul – i think the Dioscese comes closer to representing the Church than the publication you just linked. In fact, the Pope recently issued a number of very ‘green’ and ‘liberal’ pronouncements.
As for bishops I read their paper on economic justice and they make ME look like a reactionary.
Econ101
Posted March 21, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink
In the final analysis, “Liberation Theology” teaches that results are more important than Faith or Belief.
This is why a crack pot like Wright can give awards to a crack pot like Farrahkan, and how they can both can support terrorists like Hamas and Khadaffi!
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:lol:
Yah, your linking of Wright to terrorism is going to go down like a lead balloon in the black community.
Sure, you idiots will seal up the fringe-right vote for McCain, but at what cost in the future?
Do you think linking what is by all accounts the norm in black churches, liberation theology, do you think that so linking all African-Americans to terrorism is a winner going forward for the GOP?
I hope you guys have a really good petard fitter. The odds are excellent that you’ll need one. :D
Econ, how many Democrats give a shit what the Pope says?
There are lots of Black church members and Black church leaders who do not hate Jews.
Thare are lots of Black church members and Black Church leaders who do not support radical Islamic Jihad.
Obama’s Church supported Libyan terrorist Khadaffi or Quadaffi (It is spelled more than one way).
Obama’s Church is very sympathetic to Hamas, another Islamic terrorist group.
Obama’s Church supports Nation of Islam Leader Farrahkan.
Could anyone attend KKK rallies for 20 years, and then claim that that he did not agree with the racist, anti-Jewish statements, at those KKK rallies, and get away with it?
No.
But Barack is a typical black Democrat, so he can do whatever he wants.
Max
Unfortunately, with size comes division.
But if you mean “Catholics” like the Democrats in Congress that happen to be “Catholic” — you have a point.
I must admit that I am very upset with the Catholic Church. Its official teaching is, usually, very sound. Its control of flakey Bishops and Priests, who ignore that teaching, is very frustrating.
I’m not Catholic, though some Catholics I know say that Lutherans are close.
I admire the current and previous Pope for taking a stand and not bending to the political whims of the day.
A Church either stands for something or it bends to support the desires of the people of today. You want McDonalds Religion, you can get that everywhere today.
Tell Bishop Romero late, of Central America that Liberation is bogus… The man DIED for it!! He was kidnapped and murdered because he believed in Liberation Theology… Econ, you are only spewing HATE speech here now… You have gone WAY beyond discussion of issues, to pure, unadulterated HATE and VILE CRAP!!
You should be ashamed to tout your self as a solid Catholic!! You may well be a Catholic, but you got more holes in your theological premises than a sieve!! LOL
Max, Lutherans and Catholics may be fairly close liturgically… But not much else…. And even that depends on which Lutheran Branch you are in, and what AREA the Catholic Bishop presides over… The two groups have grown much closer in Liturgy since Vatican II… Given Econ’s post content here, Econ sounds like a Catholic who would have preferred the Mass stay in Latin…
Chas.
Posted March 21, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink
Econ WHERE did I say any of what you just spewed???
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Econ, you have not answered my question from 4:22 in response to your ranting tirade upthread… Want to try?? or not??
Nation of Islam Leader Farrahkan hasd sponsored some very highly successful inner city programs, and prisoner outreach programs… Most likely the reason for any awards given by Trinity UCC to such a person… Farrahkan is a Muslim version of a similar mold to John Hagee… They both hate Jews but at different levels of hatred…
CapnAmerica
Posted March 21, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink
Yup, and I wouldn’t want to be where Falwell is for the money in the collection plate at his mega-church . . .
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Capn,
Don’t worry, you have nothing to worry about -
Still waiting for Paulecon’s request that Kris Kobach step down as Chairman of the Kansas Republican Party given that Kris is a card carrying racist & on watch lists as a result.
Foot: tap, tap, tap…
For those hung up on Hagee’s delusion >>>>
http://www.cresourcei.org/millennium.html
Thanks, Right Angle.
Any place that Falwell is, wouldn’t be heaven for me . . .
Falwell (and many others) worst nightmare – he gets to Heaven and discovers that Jesus is a black gay man.
One never knows, Clark… :-)
I LOVE GETTING KNOB JOBS FROM THE BOYS IN THE CHOIR!!!
People who cannot defend their invalid opinions on a blog, often instead try to disrupt it.
Regular posted March 19, 2008 at 5:13 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-319/#comment-316172
“It looks like Brownlee won’t do anything with this blog, so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.
Be prepared to get ugly spilled upon you.
Brownlee wants this blog to be amateur hour, well here it comes.
You’ll never know when it strikes.“
I get really mad when Regular disrupts the blog.
I could almost fart fairy dust.
The post at 11:339 p.m. Blog time is NOT mine… wrong URL — wonder who it is who deals in URL’s here?? Hmmmmm…..
Chas, I’m wearing this for you.
http://www.cafepress.com/pointlessbanter.55344648
Oh please, dont do that!!
You want me to take it off?
NO and you arent cosmos either!! So, just stuff it!!
People who cannot defend their invalid opinions on a blog, often instead try to disrupt it.
I hope the REAL Cosmos nails your butt good!! Nic stealing THIEF!!
I’m really upset that you didn’t recognize me Chas.
Byeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Chas, I was hoping YOU would do that!
Chas, don’t you like my nucking futs anymore?
Chas,
Don’t worry about the false posts using our stolen nics.
The person(s) doing that are just proving that s/he/they are unable to debate issues with facts and logic.
Don’t worry Chas. It will be ok.
Damn Trolls!!
Editors: These fake posts are just another reason we need Registration and Sign in for using the Blog… This couldnt happen with Registration and Sign In
Such language on Easter weekend Chas!
We can dye eggs tomorrow, and have some fun. Then you will feel better.
Chas also preached of injustice!
God Bless everyone and good night.
Coming Chas?
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