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Violence surged? McCain’s in Anbar drinking cokes from street vendors! Never mind, the vendor will get blown up tomorrow.

Like ghouls drooling their decayed flesh in a graveyard, the MSM needs bad and tragic news to report – or so they think.

I mean you know, it’s not like the young woman who recently received the Silver Star in Afghanistan made the front page news of the Eagle now did it?

Or how about the outstanding Airmen at McConnell AFB who have made thousands of missions without incident?

Yeah, let’s concentrate on death and mayhem. Break the will of the weak American people.

4,000 people die in falls every year in the U.S. as well. If you multiply that by five, that’s 20,000 people that have died in the U.S. since the start of the Iraq war.

The MSM have pulled out their reporters from Iraq. It’s not glamorous to report days without attacks or a soldier who has died to a IED. The ghouls of the press need death and mayhem to report.

Heaven forbid they would be forced to report on good news and give credit where credit is due.

Watsa matter ghotiphaze?

Unable to comment on the story? Need someone from the Reich Wing to help prop up your weak arguments?

99 percent of the comments rendered by the Radical left here are about other posters.

And that says a lot about their mental capabilities.

BTW, I’m actually more conservative than liberal, but ain’t neither of either.

Regular regularly forgets that most of those fall deaths are elderly. If it’s not a fall that will kill them, pneumonia will.

4,000 deaths of young people, for something avoidable, IS a big deal. I mean, we only lost half of that in the world trade center attack. I suppose that was no big deal either Reg?

The reporting of the daily death toll is out there, you have to look for it if you are interested.
The over all average has been about three U.S. soldiers KIA a day. But then you also run into what I posted to an open thread over the weekend. The Iraqis are reporting higher death tolls then the U.S. military when it comes to the numbers of soldiers and civilians killed and wounded.

writerdog
Posted March 16, 2008 at 6:21 am | \l “comment-314016″
No trend
In other violence on Tuesday, gunman attacked a police checkpoint in Mosul, northern Iraq, killing four policemen, with four deaths also among the gunmen.
In Duluiyah, north of the capital Baghdad, a suicide bomber blew up a truck at a checkpoint killing five people.
Nine US troops and an interpreter have also been killed since Monday.
Correspondents say the levels of Tuesday’s violence were reminiscent of the worst days of the anti-US insurgency and sectarian killings in 2006 and 2007.
However, US military spokespeople have said recent violence should not be taken as evidence of a trend.
“I think we need to continue to look at historically what has happened over the last year to really put in perspective a one-week or two-weeks’ worth of activity inside Baghdad,” said Rear Adm Gregory Smith on Sunday.
Daily death tolls had fallen between August 2007 and January 2008, when on average 20 Iraqis died in violence per day.
Media reports say the average was 26 Iraqis in February and is up to 39 so far in March.

This is from the U.S. news and world report, I like Adm Smith’s reply and the military spokespeople’s.
As to a trend, it is a trend when the death toll went down and it will be a trend when it goes up. Lower death toll is good, but real progress is when there is no death toll from all this. Again just common sense..

“Regular regularly forgets that most of those fall deaths are elderly. If it’s not a fall that will kill them, pneumonia will.”

So when am I suppose to get pneumonia?

Regular – YOu very often attack those of us that do not support the war, saying that we do not support the troops. Then, when the subject of casualties are brought up, you give statistics to show the INSIGNIFICANCE of the 4000 soldiers killed. I would say it is you that do not support our troops.

Regular
Posted March 17, 2008 at 6:55 am | Permalink

99 percent of the comments rendered by the Radical left here are about other posters.

And that says a lot about their mental capabilities

Still holding true thus far…

99 percent of the comments rendered by the Radical left here are about other posters.

And that says a lot about their mental capabilities

Still holding true thus far…

Translation: I can’t think worth a darn so I’ll blame all the people showing how stupid I am.

Reg, I’ve tried being nice and showing you how truncated your thought processes are. You’re the one not willing to listen and give a thought; you’d just rather say everyone else is wrong. But, by all means, continue thinking that way. It’s what has made this administration so great.

Gee, we haven’t heard any positive stories about American troops helping in Iraq. Their biggest complaint is that the press only provides the negatives. The body count.

Here the Eagle confirms that.

Most thinking people would try everything possible to prevent deaths from any cause.

Do you want to live forever, barbarian?
*ducks*

1/3 of all traffic deaths are caused by excessive speed, a personal choice and an irresponsible one. 67,000 deaths per year because people think they are ‘expert’ drivers or just mindlessly irresponsible.

oops (blush) that should be 13,333 deaths per year due to speeding

3000 died in WTC. Out of 350 million Americans, that puts the odds at 1/100,000. the chance of dying any particular year for a meteor strike: 1/100,000. WTC was 6.5 years ago. I should be more afraid of asteroids than El Keeta.

I can warp any two statistics just as well as you can
8^b~~~~

When one doesn’t have to be involved, it’s easy to put it on the back burner, especially given America’s short attention span. I believe in the draft, only because it FORCES the American public to be involved in a war…this whole fiasco would have been over a long time ago if the sacrifice was shared equally and it affected the lives of every American. But..out of sight, out of mind…

There are dozens of Websites that support the troops, sending care packages, helping out the troops with communications and providing support. Then there is the Red Cross and other supporting organizations.

More time devoted to positive influences in supporting troops, means less time rolling in one’s own emotions of pity and finger pointing.

I remember getting a card from a second grade class, all marked up in crayon during the First Gulf War. It made my day, week and year and brought back to me the importance of home and the real America I cared about.

Stuff like that matters.

Whining and pointing fingers only matters to whiners and finger pointers.

If every member of the Congress and Senate had the chance of sacrificing their kids…we would never have gone there in the first place.

he can drink beer on base.

While I was stationed at NAS Memphis, most bartenders held the contention that if you were in the service and old enough to die for your country, you were old enough to drink. Then again, when my birthday rolled around and the bar had bought me several free drinks they asked how old I was then. they about freaked when I told them it was my 18th birthday. They’d been serving me drinks for almost 4 months already.

“If every member of the Congress and Senate had the chance of sacrificing their kids…we would never have gone there in the first place.”

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Sure we would have. Only it would have been with nuclear weapons and Iraq would now be a sea of glass.

Oh please change the headlines back to Iraq.

I can’t stand seeing Obama and Clinton tear each other down with all these scandals.

Heres a good piece on Bush by the Times, its 4 years old though.

“I am for a tax to pay for this war. That would help keep it in the public’s attention and would also end it shortly.”

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Newsflash for Steven.

Your taxes ARE paying for this war.

“Did anyone see this editorial about Iraq and oil?”

I think we should just be honest about waging a war for oil. Afterall, Americans love the big cars which consume lot’s of oil. They’d be willing to have their children die for that. It was the WMD thing which got Bush into trouble.

Personally, I’d consider Venzuela for a more permanent solution. If we invade South America, we have a shorter supply line. Although I’m not certain of their proven oil reserves. Besides, most of America will be speaking Spanish in a couple of years. We won’t have any language barriers to overcome. Plus we all eat taco’s.

Like Japan attacked the US when we cut off their oil supplies, we will go to war if we are cut off.

I have no doubt about that. Now, if you all would get off your but-s and buy hybrid cars, we could all help avoid that day. But unless we cut our personal consumption – we are going to war again.

“Like Japan attacked the US when we cut off their oil supplies, we will go to war if we are cut off.”

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Well, since we weren’t “cut off” what’s your next theory?

Anyone remember the Embargo of 1974?

“Car accidents, that’s the risk you take. Is anyone here willing to give up their car because they may be killed someday in a car accident? Didn’t think so.”

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If that’s true, why would anyone oppose the war when the death toll in our soldiers lives is much fewer than those from accidents and the war ensures our oil to run our cars?

Didn’t you just make the point that lives killed for car transportation is a good thing?

“(CNSNews.com) – American soldiers died in higher numbers during some of the peace-time years in the 1980s than in recent years when the military has fought conflicts in both Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a government report on casualty rates.

Further, the number of annual U.S. military deaths for the last three years is just slightly above the average annual death toll in the 1990s.

The study measures the death toll for every American war and also measures the total death toll per year from 1980 – when 2,392 military personnel died of various non-combat related causes – through 2006, when 1,858 soldiers died in both combat- and non-combat-related action combined.

Also in 1980, there were 1,156 accidental deaths in the military, compared to 465 in 2006; 174 military personnel were murdered in 1980, compared to 30 murdered in 2006; and there were 231 suicides in 1980 compared to 155 in 2006.

The number of military suicides, though much-reported in the media recently, is lower than in the 1980s or early 1990s. Since 1996, the number of military suicides per year has been below 200, according to the CRS….”

Prophet of Doom: Islam’s Terrorist Dogma in M’s Own Words

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/OPEC_History.Islam

The MSM actively helped the Bush Administration sell this war. Therefore they are just a bit embarassed with the coverage; how can they cover the fiasco without admitting their role as cheerleaders and boosters of the war?

“Say Dad, can I have money for gas? I have a date.”

“Sure son, is it on empty again?”

“Yup.”

“Fine, here’s $360, that should fill it up, most of the way. Oh, and here’s $20 to buy a gallon of milk on the way home”

Oh please change the headlines back to Iraq.

I can’t stand seeing Obama and Clinton tear each other down with all these scandals

scroll back to Regular’s allegations.

“Once again, showing your logic. We’re in Iraq for the oil and you want to make it unusable for 5000 years????”
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You missed the point. I was responding to someone who wanted the draft reinstated. I, myself, support the ground war – not a nuclear war that would occur if our politicians wanted to keep their children from being harmed.

put down the latest issue of Soviet Life….

LOL, I know Amway. I’d suggest he take notes, but he can’t follow the ones he has in front of him.

You missed the point. I was responding to someone who wanted the draft reinstated

No, scroll back. You were stating that if politicians and the rich had to actually fight, they’d just nuke ‘em.

The effects of the embargo were immediate. OPEC forced the oil companies to increase payments drastically. The price of oil quadrupled by 1974 to nearly US$12 per barrel

the shock produced chaos in the West. In the United States, the retail price of a gallon of gasoline rose from a national average of 38.5 cents in May 1973 to 55.1 cents in June 1974. Meanwhile, New York Stock Exchange shares lost $97 billion in value in six weeks

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Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), a leading critic of the war and chairman of the House Appropriations Defense panel, was equally blunt, saying he had urged the Defense Department to be more upfront in the 2009 budget request.

“They want to hide the cost of the war. We figure it’s costing $343 million a day in Iraq. And it’s all borrowed money.”
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8080.html

Max, my guess is every home (in the lower social sections) already has a plethora of guns. Hand guns, assault rifles, grenade launchers, bazookas, mortars. Y’know, kinda like your bedroom.

Iraq war coverage went MIA because the deaths and attacks were going down.

And now that there is some increase…

What do you know? They are back in the news!

The media is so bankrupt of any new ideas or integrity in reporting it is sad.

Nathan,

Is it true that with some slight modifications, an AR15 can be modified to fully automatic with the addition of an automatic sear?

Max,

Do you know where I can get a flash suppressor
for my 106? I keep it behind the drapes in my bedroom. But I’m afraid to use it as the flash will wake up the ole lady.

You have a 106? Cool, can I shoot it this 4th of July?

LOL, no. I’m for gun ownership, doesn’t mean I have any (at home).

Heck AmWay, I’m a lapsed jarhead–we don’t need no stinkin’ guns.

American Way,

Yes, it would be rather “easy” (If you have some tools and knowledge on weapons) to modify an AR-15 type rifle to be fully automatic.

I will not go into the description on how to do something which is illegal on a public blog. Sorry.

The 106 is 155 mm, if I recall AmWay.

The flash suppressors would make that too dangerous for the public, so they are not legally available.

If you shoot in the daytime, no problem. I always wear my sunglasses when I shoot at night.

Now Ghoti you want to debate the causes of crime.

If 3 men invade your house, do you really care why?

Guns are the deterrent. One solution, not THE solution.

There are of course many other factors causing crime, and the Sociologists, and Psychologists, and Pathologists will debate those other causes to the end of time, without coming up with any solution other then what has already been tried. That is – free handouts do nothing to free people from poverty. And paying money to someone in exchange for them not committing crimes is extortion.

JM, what’s your car’s MPG?

I suppose that was no big deal either Reg?

Put into perspective, the deaths at the world trade center or in the Oklahoma Muir building bombing, or at Whacko, were not big deals. If we’d stop with this crap that all human life is precious, we could make rational decisions when tragedy strikes. Every life has a price, and we almost always act as if it does. Thousands of lives could be saved in hopitals, for example, if we would put bar codes on all drugs; but we don’t because such an action costs money. It’s time we realized once an for all the truth. A average human life isn’t worth spit. Simply put, how can something there are so many of be worth anything?

The money spent in Iraq, and the ruin of the dollar will have a much longer lasting effect on the people who continue to live, than the deaths of 4000 in Iraq.

No thanks Ghoti. No matter how poor I am, I’m not breaking into houses to steal stuff from other people.

Whether you defend yourself with a gun is your choice.

You’re cutting into mine, JM, but hey, I don’t care, yu do what ya gotta do.

Max,

Exactly. If all the liberals and Democrats would drive the cars they demand the average be made to match….

Then the makers would supply more of them because there is a demand and we would be conserving more because more people are driving cars with better MPG.

sure, nate. Doesn’t mean I have to carry a gun.

Y’know, running around like Pancho Villa doesn’t make you Kal-El.

“Then the makers would supply more of them because there is a demand”

There was a waiting list when I bought my Honda Hybrid. At the time, same was true for the Prius.

Instead, in OUR nation, our automakers lobby congress to NOT increase CAFE standards which will ENSURE they can stay competitive – without providing Americans an energry efficient product.
So Congress brags about passing new CAFE standards which don’t take effect for twelve years, and only provide for fleet “average” of 35 MPG.

But many consumers have had enough. We are buying foreign cars which already excced 35 MPG (I get 44 MPG). And thanks to soaring gas prices, more Americans are thinking likewise.

And the big three US automakers go tits up. Union jobs “poof” gone.

Then the makers would supply more of them because there is a demand

I agree, AmWay. Everyone knows it’s several years from concept to production. That’s the biggest reason the price is so high right now and waiting lists are long. Even after production of any new thing begins, depending on item, it dould be years before production reaches a peak.
Figured Nate knew that and just threw it out to mess wid people’s head.

And the big three US automakers go tits up. Union jobs “poof” gone

I’m still ticked about Tucker and Willis companies!!!

Ghotiphaze,

No where was I specific enough to suggest that in any way I would purposefully place myself into bad situations or that I wouldn’t try to avoid making things worse by trying to be a hero.

So why introduce such a strawman argument?

Iraq is no Israel. If one person gets killed in Israel, it’s all over the news. If they were losing a 20th of the number in Iraq, it would be all over the media. Americans just don’t care if their Iraqi.
Look at today, at least 25 blown up and you see statements from Cheney saying “we’re successful”, and McCain saying “Surge is working, surge is working…

“I was once sent for 20 yards of flight line”

I guess if you didn’t “swing with the Wing”, you wouldn’t know that one.

How about a box of grid squares?
A can of squelch supressor?
Muffler bearings?
ID 10 T bolts?

Riser grease?
Have a troop shake a tree so you can watch for it moving on the map?
Bolt stretcher?

Sol, I actually believe I saw a listing for bearings, muffler in a parts breakdown. Didn’t see the real product, but I was told it was for a quick fording conversion.

“Any one who dies for Bush’s elective war for oil dies in vain.”

Pretty cold statement CapnAmerica. Not one I’d ever wish passed on the families of those who have went before us. If you go to some of the military websites and read what troops are saying – one or two of them BELIEVE in what they are doing.

And is this a myth? They were always yelling at us to “keep your heads down!” because the rotors could chop your head off. Seems like the crew chief’s always boarded standing erect.

Was this just another way of f–king with us?

AmWay–

The soldiers and their families are deserving of our highest praise and respect–they did their duty, and as Shakespeare writes in “Titus Andronicus” the dead “sleep in fame.”

As for the cause for which they died, it was nothing more than George W. Bush’s desire to control Iraq’s oil.

Saddam Hussein committed two unforgivable sins–he nationalized the oil fields instead of letting the richest multinationals in the world take the profit and he refused to sell to the US.

Bush made Iraq safe for big capitalism to make money.

“Mission Accomplished.”

1982: Vic Morrow, actor, was decapitated by a helicopter blade during filming of Twilight Zone: The Movie, along with two child actors, Myca Dinh Le (decapitated) and Renee Shin-Yi Chen (crushed

That wasn’t it, though.

the one I’m thinking was some Turk, egyptian, or something along that line. Was wearing the military uniform.

They shot video of the rotors in flight. Trying to time an ejection seat for the old cobras. The blades were everywhere. Short of shooting the pilot through the floor board, there was no safe means to eject.

So yeah, the rotors are pretty dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixDn8Ak4kz8

I had a more economical vehicle than my pickup but the cost of littering from the road apples forced me to sell my horse.

Nathan, some people just have to buy what is available in their price range. And when that’s a guzzler, you buy it or walk.

ghotiphaze
Posted March 17, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

I had a more economical vehicle than my pickup but the cost of littering from the road apples forced me to sell my horse.

LOL!!!

A horse is economical? Wanna bet? Vet bills, farrier bills, hay, grain . . .

Nathan, some people just have to buy what is available in their price range. And when that’s a guzzler, you buy it or walk.

Ghotiphaze,

You could be right. Some people simply are not in a place to purchase a better MPG vehicle.

That is hardly the status quo or the norm for ALL those who are out there preaching about a government mandate for better MPG standards.

My statement still stands.

Fish,
Have you seen the new pony cars? 500 bhp or stay at home. This is what the better monied are buying. Even Caddy has their hat in the ring.

Now there is the Tesla Roadster to consider…

are you making fun of my horse/truck?

heck for $5 at the rendering plant you have a vehicle. And the farmers pay you to fill it up as long as you drive their ditches.

Ghotiphaze,

I’ll tell you what I know. I know that the market forces drive what is produced.

People have wanted, purchased, and driven SUV’s and Trucks with 20MPG for the last decade.

The Democrats and Liberals keep talking about why we need better standards yet I bet half of them are out there driving those SUV’s and Trucks.

It is simple. Put your money where your mouth is.

If all of those people who purport to be caring about the environment actually went out and purchased and drove vehicles to back it up, they would change the market.

Instead, you want big brother to force everyone to a standard you are unwilling to meet on your own.

One of the issues is that there are few high mileage vehicles to purchase in the United States.

In the US, there are only three vehicles that you can buy that get better than 40 MPG – in Europe there are 60.

Raising CAFE standards got the American car makers moving in the Seventies and Eighties. If CAFE standards were raised again, we would see a similar response.

Remember, back in the very early Seventies, the US car makers were against unleaded fuels.

We managed to survive that, we can deal with higher CAFE standards.

WS Clark,

Even though, there are plenty of vehicles which all get much better MPG than an SUV, Truck, or high HP car.

So why are you and all the others not out there buying them?

Door King – Your post was so incredibly cynical, and yet, it was right on the money. Sad state of affairs that is.

Bush endorses McCain…that tell me alot!!!

HillaryCare! for example.

Will provide some reduced form of health care coverage to everybody, many will get what they’ve long been looking for: Something for Nothing.

Oh, you will get something allright:

Those over age 65, little or no treatment – You Die! But that is what’s best for The State. It will save costs and free up limited resources for most people (who deserve to live).

Doctors will retire in droves, and $50,000/yr salaries will attract few new doctors. Doctor shortages means waiting lines for treatment, and driving 100 miles to your nearest doctor. But that’s the cheapest way for The State to provide some health care.

Not the best for individuals, but the best for The State. And you get what you pay for.

Door King
Posted March 17, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink
I suppose that was no big deal either Reg?

Put into perspective, the deaths at the world trade center or in the Oklahoma Muir building bombing, or at Whacko, were not big deals. If we’d stop with this crap that all human life is precious, we could make rational decisions when tragedy strikes. Every life has a price, and we almost always act as if it does. Thousands of lives could be saved in hopitals, for example, if we would put bar codes on all drugs; but we don’t because such an action costs money. It’s time we realized once an for all the truth. A average human life isn’t worth spit. Simply put, how can something there are so many of be worth anything?

The money spent in Iraq, and the ruin of the dollar will have a much longer lasting effect on the people who continue to live, than the deaths of 4000 in Iraq.

I looked, looked, and looked, even used CTL+F, and I didn’t see anything about Hillycare in there.

“In the US, there are only three vehicles that you can buy that get better than 40 MPG – in Europe there are 60″

No argument here. Just three questions.
1) Do they meet American safety standards?
2) Who makes them?
3) Why are they not importing them to US market?

It’s a direct quote from you DK.

Don’t blame me for your words.

The Socialist beggars are not concerned with the American lives lost in Iraq.

They are mad because they wanted the money given to the Socialist deadbeats, instead of being spent in Iraq!

It’s the money! And it’s not even their money if they don’t pay any taxes!

Max
Posted March 17, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink
The Socialist beggars are not concerned with the American lives lost in Iraq.

They are mad because they wanted the money given to the Socialist deadbeats, instead of being spent in Iraq!

It’s the money! And it’s not even their money if they don’t pay any taxes!

stfu you are again delusional —- hey here’s an idea if we all pitch in and buy you a dog to replace your dog that was killed accidently by a black left wing socialist — will you give it a rest — and maybe a dog for the part time marine here too

“They are mad because they wanted the money given to the Socialist deadbeats, instead of being spent in Iraq!”

Yes, I’d rather see my tax money go to the disabled, health care, better pay for teachers, more police protection, good roads, better schools, scientific research, etc than being wasted in Iraq. What the hell is wrong with that?

Max, you are too weird for words.

Good one Rage!

Gee, billy bob, if you talk the way you type, you could easily qualify for a Customer Service Tech, working out of your very own office cubicle in Delhi, India!! LOL

DO click Rage’s link.

Ya know what is really stupid?

We have all the liabilities of an empire and none of the advantages.

“They are mad because they wanted the money given to the Socialist deadbeats, instead of being spent in Iraq!”

And what have we gained by the misadventure in Iraq?

What has our investment returned?

To get back on track with the thread (like J R is trying to do, thank you J R)–

My most recent issue of The Nation says that the average pay of a private in combat is 25,942.

26 grand is what we pay guys to put their lives on the line.

The average CEO pay of the top 30 military contractors however is 9 million dollars a year. The CEO of Lockheed Martin who never looks down the wrong end of a rifle barrel makes 24 million a year.

We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We’ve learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein’s regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.” — George W. Bush, October 7, 2002

“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaeda ties.” — George W. Bush, September 17, 2003

Vice President Dick Cheney said Thursday the evidence is “overwhelming” that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq, and he said media reports suggesting that the 9/11 commission has reached a contradictory conclusion were “irresponsible.” “There clearly was a relationship. It’s been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming,” Cheney said in an interview with CNBC’s “Capitol Report.” — CNN, June 19, 2004

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The Pentagon’s latest report showed “no relationship” between Al Qaeda and Saddam.