“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.â€
No, the speaker wasn’t Rush Limbaugh, it was former vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro, making an incredibly patronizing and offensive comment on the eve of the Mississippi primary.
If Hillary Clinton had any black supporters left, this probably drove them away.
Then as the uproar grew over her remarks, Ferraro dug in her heels, saying, “They’re attacking me because I’m white.â€
Quit digging, Gerry. Just quit digging. This is despicable stuff.
Put aside, for the moment, the ugliness of a Democratic Party leader playing up affirmative action stereotypes (a black man is getting a job that should go to a more deserving white person), or the sheer irrelevance of speculating about what a white or female Obama would or would not achieve.
Why would a party elder such as Ferraro, or Clinton for that matter, be so intent on destroying the Democratic front-runner and likely nominee? Or dismissing the millions of new voters he’s bringing into the process?
What are they thinking?
UPDATE: Ferraro has announced that she’s stepping down from her role in Clinton’s campaign. Thanks, Gerry, for all you’ve done to bring Democrats together . . .
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Let’s see, a man with a good speaking voice along with excellent delivery, enjoyable demeanor, ten years of executive experience in the government and …
Oh nm,
That was Huckabee – my bad.
Ferraro is a joke. In her case it WAS true – she was chosen for the VP spot solely because she was a woman. She was an unknown with no accomplishments.
And randy – even today she is NOT a leader in the Party.
Yo Randy?
You really need to start signing your threads “from the tank” Or “With Barack”.
Do you need someone to second what Geraldine Ferraro said? I’ll do that right now.
Obama is getting 90% of the black vote. Now it isn’t racist to say that if he is getting 9 out of 10 black votes, that there are no small number of those folks voting for him simply BECAUSE…
he is black.
“Or dismissing the millions of new voters he’s bringing into the process?
What are they thinking?”
Um? Maybe they are thinking like me?
Maybe you need to give us a thread listing Mr. Obama’s accomplishments in government of his plans as to policy? I can’t vote for him just because he makes pretty speeches and bleats about hope and change.
Oh and as to stopping the digging? Might want to listen to your own advice. You are becoming little more than a shill.
Whatever happened to that science and technology debate you were wanting? It get back burnered so you could devote your full efforts for Barack?
So this means you won’t be voting, JR?
And I have a request for the editors.
In future, please have someone, anyone other than Mr. Scholfield write any thread that has anything to do with Barack Obama or this election. Randy has clearly lost any semblance of objectivity.
Wow, what’s with the rage, JR? Your comment reads like a rant from a half-buzzed hillbilly. Is it racist to say someone has achieved great things simply because they are black? Yes, it is. It’s the same half-brained delusions white people have been regurgitating every time a minority does something notable. Truth is, african-americans have had the vote for a long freakin time now, and we are just now getting a major candidate from that demographic. If the candidate was just getting votes because they’re black, wouldn’t we have had a black president before now????
Just so you know, I’m a white woman who has voted republican in every major election until this one. I voted for Barack Obama because he’s the only candidate not bat-sh*t crazy or committed to a 100 year war. It’s not always about race.
Don’t worry J R, if things go right for Obama in November, there will be plenty of opportunity to say “I told you so” later on.
Well, Hillary wouldn’t be where she is. . .
If her name wasn’t Clinton.
At least Obama was able to get elected to the Senate without. . .
. . .his spouse pardoning a bunch of Puerto Rican terrorists.
. . .having to move into a new state.
. . .having to put up with 30 years of never ending spousal infidelity.
. . .accepting millions of dollars of campaign cash from Chinese dishwashers and monks.
. . .Shall I go on?
We’re going to beat your best with a crippled up old man!
I simply love the irony!
If Hilary gets more votes from women… because she is a woman, that is jut fine.
If Obama gets more votes from black people… because he is black, then that is a porblem.
And if it were any other election where 90% of the black vote went to the Democrats they wouldn’t have a problem with that at all either, just when they are going to a black Democrat.
Oh I love the irnoy of how the Democrats are using all their race cards on each other rather than the Republicans.
Dirty politics… is well… dirty!
I am just waiting for the cries of Racism now!
If it had been a Republican, no matter where in the party he was as a leader, the Democrats and media would be out crying about how Racist the Republicans are.
Chuckle… They all think it and then it slips out. Then the mock outrage as they deny their own thoughts.
Incidentally, Geraldine Ferraro’s comment was way more racist than what Limbaugh said. Limbaugh said in his notorious comment that Donovan McNabb was overrated and got off easy with the sportswriters because he was black, and everyone wanted a black quarterback to succeed. Essentially, he was calling sport writers and commentators racist. They couldn’t have that. Thus their outrage.
Right, Olbermann?
Very telling those weighing in for Obama here…
He clearly has the kook right endorsement.
Hank, Nathan – some degree of agrement here – except whichever one gets nominated this summer with get elected this fall.
Why is anyone but Geraldine Ferraro responsible for what Geraldine Ferraro says?
Linda, indeed.
Hillary is always hammered with guilt by association.
But obama? These same folks refuse to admit guilt by association with obama-mcclurkin.
Race and sex card by obama supporters = good.
Race and sex card by Hillary supporters = bad.
Double standard.
And they wonder why boomer women support Hillary? We can see the double standards a mile away…
“Don’t worry J R, if things go right for Obama in November”
And if thing do not go right for obama in November?
you wont find a swinging uh, soul here who supported him….
Just wait until the GE when the republicans are treating obama with kid gloves and singing kumbaya and all those crossover voters stick with him….
hehehehehheheheehehehhehehehehheheh.
Warning: Serious miscalculations ahead.
Ben-
i think you are probably right, but Obama has a better chance, I think. Could be wrong. If Hillary is the candidate, I will vote for McCain. As far as character issues, they are the same. As far as issues, I will take McCain.Barely. If it is Obama, I disagree with him more, but I consider his character better than either Hillary or McCain. I will vote for OBama. . In my book, character still counts.
Linda- why ws anyone but the campaign idiot that called Hillary a monster responsible? THe way politics is
Sorry, Hank, I think that Democrats could nominate a grapefruit and beat the old man from Arizona – McSame, McBush, what is his name? I think you know about your party’s vulnerability, too, and that is why we’re getting B.S. prognostications from you every day.
Let’s hear about how great your candidate is. Don’t want to go there? Why am I not surprised.
Let’s hear predictions about how many times through the rest of the Campaign McLame will be seen with Bush. I think I have the winning answer on that one – ZERO.
On second thought, in effect, perhaps what Ferraro said was pretty close to what Limbaugh said. She is essentially pointing out that the Dem electorate likes the idea of a black man being president.
The media is constantly celebrating the idea of a black presidential candidate, yet Ferraro is ripped for mentioning it. How hypocritical.
Isn’t she basically saying that the Dem electorate is racist?
I don’t just talk about personal responsibility, I live it. I am responsible for me, my every word and every action. I think every adult should accept that same responsibility for themselves.
Steven,
You and other Democrats keep talking about how easily McCain will be defeated, yet the poll numbers are not showing that.
Something tells me, that deep down inside, you and the other Democrats are the ones who are scared this might be a whole lot closer than you wanted it to be.
Meanwhile, your party is still fighting with themselves over Hilary and Obama.
If you honestly don’t think that this fighting till the convention isn’t going to hurt, then you are in for a big let down.
Look at the supporters on this blog alone, the absolute disdain and hate for Obama supporters from the Hilary supporters is huge.
I have a feeling that all these motivated voters for Obama won’t be so motivated for Hilary and all those Obama haters from the Hilary supporters wont be so happy to go vote for Obama.
Perhaps it is all just show till the nominee is chosen, but right now it doesn’t look so good.
Steven, the worst thing that could happen is for the “cakewalk” mentality to prevail. I think when the nominee for the dems is decided, you will see the right wing AND the media go after them and the polling gap between mccain and his opponent will narrow.
That is why I want a FIGHTER to be the nominee. Because whatever surprises this election will hold, it WONT be a cakewalk once the might wurlitzer winds up.
Linda,
So does that mean that Bush isn’t guilty of every wrong doing in his Administration then?
Are you prepared to stop blaming Bush for every problem?
I dont think a fight for the nomination hurts the party. I think that believing your own bullshit is always fatal. I think obama and his supporters not only believe their own bullshit, they believe the media spin and the republic spin as well.
And that will lull them into a false sense of security, right up until it is too late for a course correction.
Obama better be able to live up to the hype. Because if he cant?
Say hello to president mccain!
“the absolute disdain and hate for Obama supporters from the Hilary supporters is huge.”
Uh no.
I am one of the loudest voices of caution as to Obama. And aside from one poster here who fired on me first? I have the greatest respect for Obama supporters.
I just wish they could convince me that I should trust Obama after some of the things he has said.
lindainks55
Posted March 12, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
I don’t just talk about personal responsibility, I live it. I am responsible for me, my every word and every action. I think every adult should accept that same responsibility for themselves.
I think that’s great. I too wish that. However, the nature of politics and the law today is that you are also responsible for your employees. In this case, while not exactly an employee, she is working for the CLinton campaign. She is also a high profile person within the campaign. That makes the Clinton campaign responsbile for her actions and her words. just as Obama was held responsible for the “monster” remark, and ad nauseaum.
I refer to the current administration as bushco (and that never deserves a capital letter in my opinion!). They are all screwups (and worse. It’s difficult for me to separate one from the other. In the bushco I have added McCain, Roberts, Tiahrt… who march in lockstep with the stupidity that comes from this worst possible administration.
btw, there are a BUNCH of Democrats I’m truly disappointed with too. Actually politicians don’t garner much favor with me.
In a brief Associated Press interview Tuesday while she campaigned in Harrisburg, Pa., Clinton said she did not agree with Ferraro. She added, “It’s regrettable that any of our supporters — on both sides, because we both have this experience — say things that kind of veer off into the personal.”
I suppose I will just lump Ferraro in with Hilary and call them all Clinco.
Then all will be well when I go after them all and lump Hilary in with Ferraro’s comments.
Do what floats your boat. And then accept the responsibility for whatever it is.
Just pointing out the double standard in your comments was all…
You see things differently than I do – ALL things as far as I have been able to discern. I admit I haven’t put much time or thought into my discerning. In this, I see no double standard, and it doesn’t surprise me that you do. I won’t worry about your opinions and I’m positive mine won’t be a worry to you either.
Linda,
I value you giving your opinion here, but that doesn’t make it correct or consistent.
That is why we come to a public blog, to share, debate, argue, and/or discuss.
I copied this rant from another blog. It says it better than I could.
“This is message to Keith Olbermann,
You *used* to be my nightly news guy. My 12 year old daughter, “Brook”, and I used to watch you faithfully. We recorded you on our DVR. But you turned on us, Keith, with your partiality towards Obama and hostility towards all things Clinton. MSNBC went full tilt in the sexist direction and as a result, we removed you from the DVR and we don’t watch your channel at all anymore. I want her to believe that there are no limits to what she can do and MSNBC undermines my parental encouragment.
Now I understand you are going to do a self-righteous comment tonight, highlighting the illusory offensive racism of the Clinton campaign. No doubt you will sprinkle your 3 minute hate with pictures of slaves and sharecroppers and shame us all into remembering how bad african-americans had it and have it. And all of this is very true. They *do* have it worse off than we privileged white people. No one is going to argue with that. But if you think you can paint Geraldine Ferraro as a racist because of an unfortunate proximity of the word “lucky” to the word “black” or paint the Clintons, who are life long advocates of healing the racial divide as being latent Klan members, you will find out that it will backfire in the most spectacular way.
Because here’s the truth of the matter, Keith: Woman is the ni**er of the world. And every time you and Tweety and Obama and David Axelrod go off on the Clinton campaign like this without curbing your own speech and body language, you reinforce that message. And whenever Kerry or Kennedy or Dean don’t stand up and demand respect for Hillary from you and condemn the words that flow out of your mouths when Tweety refers to her as ‘babe’ and Obama tells everyone that she gets angry at him when she’s feeling emotional, you reinforce that message. And any time Howard Fineman or Jonathan Alter or Eugene Robinson appear on Countdown with you to say how it’s urgent for the sake of the party that Hillary drop out of the race in spite of the fact that she has *earned* more votes in more crucial states than Barry ever has or will, you reinforce that message.
So, go ahead, Keith, make my day. If you still plan on having your special comment tonight where you drag Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro through the mud and expose them to shame and ridicule, I will have Brook sitting with me to watch you one last time. And I will carefully explain to her why men in power are never to be trusted to consider anyone but themselves. And that with this special comment, you are not sticking up for the african-americans out there who have nothing to fear from Clinton. You are sticking up for your *own*- the guys. And that the battle for equity had only reached the end of the beginning when I was in college. And that now it’s her battle to fight. And YOU are the enemy.
Good post kfg.
Olberman has lost me as a viewer too. Countdown to no ratings. Billo MSNBC unit.
heh
I think Randy wants to be Oberman when he grows up.
Or works for a newspaper of any stature.
Irregardles of the taste, her statement is true. How do you think Obama swept the southern primaries. The black vote, and blacks are not voting for him because of his executive experience. They are doing so because they want to see a black man achieve the highest office in the land. Were I black, I’d do the same thing, and so would most of you.
An Obama presidency would have an entirely different style from a Hillary presidency. Obama is an idealist who stays firmly focused on the big picture. Hillary has spent a life in politics and isn’t afraid to get down and dirty in order to get done what’s necessary for the country. After eight years of Bushllit, we very well may need the talents of both. My ideal scenario would be for each to go to the convention with equal shares of delegates and have to flip a coin over who will be president and who will be a very active VP.
Everybody seems aboard for a solution like that Jed.
Well ALMOST everybody. Obama and his supporters seem to think there are Democrats they can afford to lose.
And something else? If they, as Randy has here, are going to go volcanic at each and every slight or perceived insult?
They are going to have spontaneously combusted by November.
It’s politics folks. And you can bray about hope and change all day long. But politics is a contact support. Best be getting experienced at having your feelings hurt.
JR-
I suspect that you just thought that Donavan McNabb should just buck up about having his feelings hurt by Limbuagh?
“Steven, the worst thing that could happen is for the ‘cakewalk’ mentality to prevail.”
KFG,
You are probably right. I think it was Vaughn Tolle who said the other day that who ever wins in 2008 will have a one term presidency – he was referring to, IIRC, how bad the economy is and the challenges ahead on that.
I have thought before that this is shaping up to be like 1976 when Carter inherited an economy from 8 years of Republican mismanagement. I think more than being a fighter, I thought Hillary and Bill might know how to hire people who could help them straighten out the mess that will come when Bush goes home to Texas. That maybe hoping for too much.
So, if Vaughn is correct, and I believe he will be, the question for the voter is, “who do we want to see around least long?” It may even be a calculus for Republicans that a one term disaster presidency by McCain is what they are after.
Nathan – the Washington Post polls say either Hillary or Barack would beat McCain if the election were held today. Things can change as KFG points out. Besides, I thought you hated polls, but now your quoting them? Where is this consistency you are insisting upon in other posters? Huh?
“They are doing so because they want to see a black man achieve the highest office in the land. Were I black, I’d do the same thing, and so would most of you.”
Pleased to be wondering what would be the difference between voting for someone only because he’s black and NOT voting for someone only because he’s black?
“…what would be the difference between voting for someone only because he’s black and NOT voting for someone only because he’s black?”
Interesting question. Mirror image of the same thing, right.
Talk about double standards here, if a white man with the profile of Ferraro would have said that, he would have been on his way out already.
I know American don’t watch politics in the north (Canada) but about 4 years ago Belinda Stronach ran the leadership of one of the major parties (The party that is currently in power). Yes she was beaten in the conservative primaries (we call it a leadership race up here), but she came in second beating a very experience minister and was a real gave the the winner who went on to become the current Prime Minister( Steven Harper) a run for his money. Long story short my point is this, Belinda had no, I mean, no elected political experience, she was about the same age a Obama, she made money the old fashion way (inherited it), and just to make matters worst, she did not speak one of the Country’s official language (i.e. French). So just to the north of you, with a very similar society, you have a white woman with even much less political experience than Obama, running for the leadership of her party. She did come in second with votes in the mid to high 30% Sure Obama will do better vote wise, but the notion that it could not have occurred to a white woman is indeed absurd.
fleettwood, hud – agreed. I will vote for Obama because I think he is a heck of a lot better than his opponent.
Voting or not voting for a candidate due to the color of the skin or the gender of the candidate has happened and will happen. While IMO this type of voting is not intelligent, and candidates should be evaluated and voted for or against on the basis of things within, and not without, their individual control, I recognize it will happen.
To respond in a most unsatisfactory way to fleettwood’s question, in my opinion and only that, my opinion, there is a difference in the quality of such a vote. As to what this quality is, I know I cannot clearly articulate the same. Hud, to me, to be a mirror image, the question would need be phrased differently, to wit: what is the difference in voting for a candidate only because he is Black, and voting for a candidate only because he is White. My two cents.
I am not sure the word “only” changes anything. But if blacks are voting for Obama only because he is black, then we probably should have had at least General Election with Jessie Jacksons name on it.
As far as not voting because he is black, how do we explain all the young voters voting for him.
Yes, I am sure it does happen but I do not think it is as large a problem as some are making it.
Let’s bring this closer to home; I might be for or against Carl Brewer for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Same with Carlos Mayans or Elma Broadfoot. I think the same can hold for a candidate for president.
If Hillary supporters in large numbers are dumb enough to make the Democratic party a proxy fight against sexism to the point that the triumph of Obama is seen as a triumph for sexism, OR if Obama supporters in large numbers are dumb enough to make the Democratic party a proxy fight against racism to the point that the triumph of Hillary is seen as a triumph for racism, then swear in McCain now, because the Democrats will have shot themselves in the head. Racism and sexism both do a lot of damage in the world. Arguing which one is worse is a silly distraction. Both cause pain, both kill people in wide parts of the world, and both have shaped have shaped the history of this country.
And for the record, Ferraro in my view deserves the heat she is getting. It was a stupid thing to say, because it is a hypothesis that can not be tested.
“And for the record, Ferraro in my view deserves the heat she is getting. It was a stupid thing to say, because it is a hypothesis that can not be tested.”
And it WAS offensive.
“And I will carefully explain to her why men in power are never to be trusted to consider anyone but themselves.”
And this is why the radical feminists alienated both men and women in the late 70’s and turned what should have been the biggest social revolution in contemporary American history into a academic rant about “women’s studies departments” and “inclusive pronouns.”
Hillary Clinton doesn’t represent an empowered woman: she represents getting to the top by marrying a powerful man. So needy is she to bask in Bill’s glow that she even put up with his serial philandering.
“Geraldine Ferraro has left Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s finance committee…”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/ferraro-quits-clinton-post/
Dick Morris wrote the other week that Obama should do a parody of Hillary’s ringing red phone ad.
Ring . . . ring . . . ring.
“Hello, this is the White House.”
Pause
“Bill . . . it’s for you.”
I am a Clinton supporter for one reason–she answered my questions. Obama’s people can’t return a simple phone call.
My industry is in grave danger… from a Bush administration that is too distracted to care, from a Republican nominee who says he’s free of special interest influence, then votes exactly the way the cable industry tells him to (except on a la carte, which ought to be a dead issue with the coming of IPTV).
Hillary at least recognizes that the way the Class A debacle was handled during her husband’s administration was a mistake, and there ought to be a do-over.
What does Obama think? No clue.
All I want are some simple questions answered. But that, according to Obama’s people, might be boring.
I do want to live long enough to see the day when we’re people — some of us female, others male, some white, others black or brown — mainly we’re each who we are. I even get carried away sometimes and think we could be heterosexual or gay, Christian or Muslim or Jewish and that too wouldn’t change that we are exactly who we are — people with strengths and flaws who should treat other people with dignity.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” — Martin Luther King, Jr.
Dick Morris is a miserable little sell out.
Ferrarro has bowed to this stupidity. That’s a shame.
If this is how Obama and his supporters are going to handle debate and politics, they might as well quit now.
Don’t take up Dick Morris’s side or I’ll really hate you. Dick Morris is such a pathetic POS…there is a reason why nobody wants him but Faux News.
Dick Morris is, IMO, an effete little snob whose knickers are still in a twist over what happened to him in the Clinton years. It would be gratifying to think that he might finally become an adult, but this is asking too much.
I also quit watching Olbermann…It got to the point where I was as angry at him and yelling at the tv as I would O’Reilly.
And I tried very hard to find a way to email him, and can’t find it. Olbermann truly has disappointed me. I felt he was my voice in the Bush admin, now he’s just a blowhard.
He deserved what happened to him during Clinton’s years.
He certainly thinks he didn’t deserve it; and, in his mind, his is the only opinion that counts.
I have to agree with one thing recently expressed here.
To put it another way: Dick Morris is a miserable puke. He should go lecture Elliot Spritzer about not getting caught with your pants down. Oh, wait, Spritzer resigned without even trying to justify his behavior while Morris…what did he do…oh yeah…blamed the people who fired his ass.
Once again, if the Hillary and Obama supporters get carried away with demonizing the other, then they will ensure that McCain will pick up the pieces.
Right wing radio shill Sean Hannity would agree politically with Ferraro on almost nothing.
But today he said that he knows things about her and is absolutely certain that she doesn’t have a racist bone in her body.
And it is pretty early for the Obama people to start crying racist at the slightest provocation. That is gonna get real old real quick. And every time they play it, it will be worth less and less.
This bash the Obama supporters thing has gone on too long. Suddenly, because you support a different candidate, you are a sexist, DINO, naive dreamer that is not connected with reality.
I support Barack Obama, but I WILL support Hillary Clinton if she should get the nomination.
It is frustrating, however, that there are so many so-called Democrats that WILL NOT support Obama should he win the nomination.
Why is that?
Really, would you rather see a Republican in the White House, promising four more years of Bush policies, than to see a Democrat that you dislike take the presidency?
Perhaps some of you need to take a step back and decide whether you are truly a Democrat or are you just a Republican in sheep’s clothing.
Heh
I liked the parody ad on last Saturday Night Live.
Obama is on the phone at 3 AM with Senator Clinton BEGGING for help and advice.
“Damn this is HARD! I had no idea this job would be such a ball buster.”
“Why would a party elder such as Ferraro, or Clinton for that matter, be so intent on destroying the Democratic front-runner and likely nominee?”
Did they have to mop the office after your rant Randy? You are WAY over the top here.
Suddenly ANY little comment that ISN’T kissing Baracks behind is a hatchet job?
I said I’d support Obama only if he chooses Hillary to be his running mate. I’m truly aggravated that someone with such little experience is being picked, so we need a strong VP.
I’m aggravated at his arrogance, at his policies (which most of them sound HORRIBLE even as a democrat to me).
I’ve justified my position till I’m blue in the face, and I’m disturbed at the media, I’m disturbed at the people who can’t give one solidly good reason to support Obama, but act like little starry eyed cheerleaders. Fainting? Are you kidding me?
I”m PISSED that Obama acted as if Clinton on the ticket would be absurd. Truly pissed. Clinton was trying to reach out to Obama, and he bit off her hand. That’s what I’m mad about.
I swear, I will stay home on election day if he doesn’t pick her.
WSClark–
The Obama supporters don’t need to say they’ll support Hillary.
Obama has already won.
The Clinton campaign simply refuses to admit to the obvious reality. Even if Michigan and Florida were a do-over–and they probably won’t be–Hillary still couldn’t win.
She’s never going to overtake Obama’s lead.
It’s already over.
Uh no.
It is highly unlikely Obama can get the pledge delegates to “win”.
Declaring victory is a very bad idea for Obama.
The fact that Hillary will refuses to concede to the man who won more states, more votes and more delegates tells you all you need to know about what and who she values–herself above all.
“Clinton was trying to reach out to Obama,..”
PM, are you talking about Clinton offering Obama the number two position?
Hey Capn?
What states has Obama won?
Not Ohio. Not Florida. Not Michigan.
He HAS won in places like Kansas, Wyoming, and Mississippi.
These are victories in states where NO Democrat can win in November.
Hud–
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too.
“Reaching out” by offering the front-runner who can’t be overtaken a consolation prize to quit?
I don’t think so . . .
And Senator Clinton will win Pennsylvania too.
Ya don’t throw out the winner of Ohio and Pennsylvania.
That’s where we differ, J R.
California and NY are going blue even if Dodd were the nominee.
It’s exactly why we need somebody like Obama to carry the swing states.
Hillary already starts with incredibly high “disapproval” rates. That’s why the Indy’s are going with Obama two-to-one.
Hillary carried Ohio by ten points. Obama carried Mississippi by twenty-one points.
That’s the problem for Hillary. She’s won some big states–she just hasn’t won them by very much compared to the states Obama’s winning.
Well let’s put it in the perspective of the blog Capn.
You want me and kfg and those uneasy with Obama to get outta the way so Obama can help you work out a deal with econ and Hank and Heckler.
Also, Obama has been careful not to alienate Hillary supporters by attacking her.
I can’t say the same in the reverse.
Hey it’s me Capn. I keep up with talk radio.
I haven’t even BEGUN to open fire on Obama with what I could post about him.
Can’t agree with your analysis, J R.
Hank and Econ are part of the radical reich-wing. They’re the “God, guns, and gays” folks who used to make up the John Birch Society. They don’t want a president–they want El Duce.
They’re hopeless.
But there are a lot of other folks, like JWink, VT, LittleJohn who lean right on many issues that could be part of an Obama movement on economic issues like fair trade, national health care, stopping the war etc.
bushco leaves office! That should be something to celebrate. I know January 20, 2009, there will be some great celebrating at my house!
There isn’t a nickel’s difference in the policies of the two excellent candidates for the Democratic nomination. And either will be a much better choice than McCain.
I support Hillary Clinton and think she would hit the ground running faster than any other candidate. I think she would come out better when the attack of the Republicans gets down and dirty (and it will!). They’ve been pinning anything and everything on her for years and there are no surprises left to uncover. Her negatives are well known.
But if the Democratic nominee is Obama he will have my vote. And I won’t be sad; I’ll be happy and excited and enthusiastic about voting for a well-qualified person to bring sanity back to our country.
Senator Hillary Clinton has said she will support Obama if he is the candidate. PMom and J R, could you follow her excellent example if that is how it comes down?
They’ve been pinning anything and everything on her for years and there are no surprises left to uncover.
*****
Really? Why doesn’t she release her tax returns then?
And what will Obama offer up in trade to work with the right?
Even the moderate of those folks aren’t gonna budge unless they get something going in.
Dinner time . . .
That’s the second right wing based shot you’ve taken at Senator Clinton there Capn.
One more and I’m gonna start hitting back.
“Why doesn’t she release her tax returns then?”
No problem capn, she checked them there is nothing wrong with the returns.
You guys are hopeless. You seem to live to argue. Is there nothing positive in your life? Anything you could be happy and calm about? Take a break and concentrate on that happy calming “something.” The world isn’t going to end – it’s already tomorrow in Australia.
Well I’m going to watch Olberman for one last time to see him meltdown to no ratings.
Buh bye Keith. Washed up sports caster.
I watched this women on Good Morning America this morning and hate to say it, she was terrible. She kept on interrupting Diane Sawyer trying to state she didn’t mean what she said. That everyone was blowing it out of proportion. I was sad to see this woman blowing herself away.
I still wish to see Hillary get the nomination though :)
I watched just long enough to see he was going to go there, and then I turned it off.
Random thoughts…
If saying what she said makes Ferraro a racist and Clinton a bigot by extention, then repeat those pathetic excuses of Obama for letting a REAL bigot and homephobe like McClurkin headline a fundraiser and PREACH at it for thirty minutes. If all this makes Ferraro and Clinton racist, Obama is a homophobe using the same logic.
You cant have it both ways.
I support Hillary because I think she would make the best president. That’s it. But boy howdy has this campaign ever reminded me of the ever present bias of the media and the government and the private sector against women. I have always said I faced far more discrimination as a woman than a lesbian. This campaign has reminded me, in living color, that is oh so true.
JR is correct in saying that now, every criticism of Obama is a racist comment. Anyone who doesnt kiss his ass is racist and all we have to do is just STFU and elect him and all problems will be solved.
I think that’s the polar opposite of the “soft bigotry of low expectations”. That’s setting the bar so freakin’ high it will ONLY ever be seen as a failure. Ever hear of “under promise and over deliver”?
Hillary is indeed more pragmatic and ready to deal with the tough world as it is, not as we wish it were. Obama may have great vision, but Hillary is too busy getting the wood cut and the water hauled to really focus on her VISION. Nice work if you can get it, but dreams dont fill bellies, get health care and keep the mortgage crisis at bay.
So you tell me, at this F’ed up point in our nation’s life, who TF do we need at the helm? Someone to get the wood cut and the water hauled and the kids doctored? Someone to fix the leak in the roof and the cranky washer and make nice with the neighbors?
Or someone with great ideas, good ability, and little experience helming the ship?
I know who I want.
Do you?
OH, and btw, the Clintons and Ferraro and Rendell and many others on this side of the fence worked hard and voted correctly to fight racial bigotry.
To paint them as racist or willing to play the race card or whatever is just astounding.
They’ve cast more votes for racial equality and equal justice than Obama has even been eligible to cast.
And HE wants to complain now about them?
Woof. No wonder some of us wonder about the wonder kid.
Oh, and just in case you think I support Hillary because she’s a woman, by that logic, I’d just LOVE sebelius, wouldnt I?
Big eye roll….
Thanks, MrC. for offering what a see is a pretty good and, indeed, compelling reason to support Clinton. And, your personal interests aside, telecommunications policy is a huge issue for the 21st century–or should be. We already seen the damage done by the (largely ignored) Telecommunications Act of 1996, rammed thru by a Republican Congress, and signed by Clinton (gee, thanks, Bill!).
Today the emerging media monopoly we saw coming in the 80’s is our reality. Wow, what’s Britney doing today, and, by the way, Saddam Hussein Osama yellowcake Prague 9-11! Now off to war, like good little compliant tabloid morons!
It will get worse, if we let it.
Now: As Mr. C (aka RJ) has shown (and a few others), it’s actually possible to discuss these candidates like adults. We’ve not seen a lot of that lately.
Well,
Olberman may as well have put a pistol in his mouth and blown out his brains. He’s finished.
Obama supporters: You are pushing the Democratic party perilously close to civil war. All the hope and change rhetoric in the world will not fix that if it is not stopped.
what did he say now?
The hillarious part of this story is that Geraldine Ferraro is right…..
Take away Obama’s skin color and you’re looking at David Duke…
Uh, no. What kindof freaky statement is that.
I had the strange sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that we just couldnt possibly have an election in this country with a black man and a white woman running for nomination, without having a bunch of stupidity surface over racism and sexism… First the Right Wing Talk Radio people went after Hillary’s alleged “cleavage” — Then you had Limbaugh go after “Barack the magic Negro” song; making a total mockery of one of the best old folk songs in most of our lifetimes!!
Yep it just HAD to be in the “land of the free, and home of the brave.”
Carry on….
JR — I listen to talk radio too… And I would take ANYthing they say on those shows as fact, no matter WHO they said it about –
So, if you think they are going to stack a bunch of crap on Obama, then you can be sure that whatever they are going to stack on him will be totally FALSE garbage!!
would = wouldnt
Where did you find that kool aid, JC?? Just more racist stupidity
In an ideal scenario, the two campaigns would recognize that they have charged up, somewhat blinded partisans on both sides, and that it’s therefore in the best interest of the party and the country as a whole to avoid getting anywhere near making a potentially incendiary comment.
The contest has gone on for a while and the players on both sides are obviously tired and making mistakes. Still, far better to avoid what Ferraro got herself into and what Power got herself into the week before by making the sublimely diplomatic statement instead. Both campaigns could do with a bit of class at this point.
In addition, it’s becoming increasingly clear that supporters on both sides are getting pretty wrapped up in nothing short of victory and seeing things from only one side.
Mainly, though, the campaigns are to blame. Perhaps voters and commentators would not have become quite so vocal and competitive if the campaign rhetoric, tactics and advertising had been more responsible.
Bottom line: no matter who prevails, supporters from both sides will be needed in November.
In any case, Michigan and Florida should schedule full-scale primaries to be held in June, and let’s allow the people to vote in every other state as well. After all of the contests have been held, if there’s still no undisputed winner–and there probably won’t be–then party bosses and Clinton and Obama will need to ask themselves if they want another strict constructionist judge appointed to the bench. If the answer is no, then time will be of the essence to show some leadership and maturity and unite the party. It’s essential that both sides exhibit more of these qualities, and far fewer of the aforementioned incendiary variety, between now and June.
Rank-and-file voters, meanwhile, and blindly determined partisans on both sides, would do well to join party leadership in taking a long, hard look at the judiciary: you already have Scalia. You have Thomas.
Then everyone’s favorite chef, George Bush, served Roberts hot off the grill, and put a cherry on top of Alito.
As the campaign winds down, Democrats of all walks really ought to show respect for one another, chill out, and feast their eyes on a triple chocolate sundae of a liberal judge to hoist on Scalia’s plate, no matter who gets nominated in Denver.
OK I gotta ask this — Why is it OBAMA supporters who are pushing the Democratic party closer to civil war?? Why couldnt the same be said of Clinton supporters?? I mean, they are both Senators…. both of them ha e served relatively short times in the Senate… One of them isnt trying to take an elected position from the other…
I dont think that “civil war” conjecture holds much credibility… no matter which side might say it!!
Now THATS what I’m talkin about Vicaris!! Yea!!!
I’m working at a place that doesn’t have teevee. Do you realize how meaningless this whole discussion is if you don’t have it? It’s like Heart of Darkness. “The bullshit, the bullshit”
What does TV have to do with it??
Guess people are just doing hit and run posts tonite… oh well, onward to other matters!!
You who have decided you can’t vote for Obama (or Clinton) please think long and hard about the judicial branch. Think about how long the term of the Supremes is — much longer than any president may serve. Read the 8:57 p.m. post by Vicaris. I trust you will make the correct determination, because, after all, you are waaaay smarter than the Republicans and realize how badly bushco has hurt our country. You are the smartest and best thinking and far superior thinking people! We can do better AND we will do better!
Thanks, Linda. You are correct.
“You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant,
“You can get anything you want at Alice’s
Restaurant,
“We went back to Alice’s place and had a dinner that couldn’t be beat…
Wish I could do this better… but you know how it goes…
Get Guthrie’s CD – it might help you…
http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices.shtml
The eve of the war….
I respect you supporters of Obama.
But I do not understand you.
So much is lost. And there is so much more to lose. I cannot understand a candidate who wants me to work with the same people who take away health care for kids and fight an increase in the minimum wage.
Just how is it that you work with the folks who have all the money and the power? Why SHOULD we when we don’t have to?
I will do what the media and SOME Obama supporters have not in the war to come. I will be fair.
But I will fight.
“We have come too far, we have sacrificed too much to disdain the future now”
John F Kennedy
I cannot vote for Obama.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
In the 24-hour news cycle, statements by prominent supporters really do matter, and politicians can’t permit their surrogates to say things that are intolerable, even if they have a grain of truth in them. Obviously the Clintons have this plan:
1) Win Pennsylvania and declare themselves the only campaign that can beat McCain in the big, electoral-vote rich states (appealing to the superdelegates)
2) Get some kind of do-over in Michigan and Florida (two states that might be likely to give the Clintons victories, expanding the claims of #1)
3) Win enough of the remaining smaller states to deny Obama any momentum ending the primary season.
4) Wind up virtually even in the popular vote and within a few dozen pledged delegates.
5) Claim the Obama lead in pledged delegates is due to unrepresentative caucuses in red states Democrats probably can’t win anyway; and
6) Beat the drums for a Clinton-Obama ticket (promising Obama complete backing for the top spot in 2016 – or for 2012 should the ticket lose – behind closed doors)
It’s a very plausible scenario. Obama could wreck it by winning Pennsylvania (but that’s unlikely); sweeping all the states after PA and building a nice lead both in popular and delegate votes (also unlikely); winning a revote in Florida or Michigan (also unlikely): or, after all the voting is done, publicly announcing that he will under no circumstances consider a vice presidential nomination.
Why do we keep calling Obama a “black” man? His mother was white and those who raised him were white. I don’t get it…he’s just as much “white” as he is “black”..and what the hell difference does it make anyway?
When will we start taking off our colored glasses and just see people as they are..human.
“Just how is it that you work with the folks who have all the money and the power? Why SHOULD we when we don’t have to?”
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You work with them on your terms, J R. We should because they have some lessons to learn and the people they represent deserve better than they give. Don’t you think Kansans deserve better than Brownback, Roberts and Tiahrt? Those three definitely have some lessons to learn and we definitely deserve better than we get from them!
“If saying what she said makes Ferraro a racist and Clinton a bigot by extention, then repeat those pathetic excuses of Obama for letting a REAL bigot and homephobe like McClurkin headline a fundraiser and PREACH at it for thirty minutes. If all this makes Ferraro and Clinton racist, Obama is a homophobe using the same logic.”
First of all, re: McClurkin at the Obama fundraiser. I don’t and wouldn’t defend it. McClurkin is a loser. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if it is eventually has a Ted Haggard type scandal in his future, but regardless of what happens, he is still a bigot. Obama has tried to reach out to populations of folks that include those with religiously conservative beliefs, and in that process he has reached out some people who have said some pretty hurtful things not only towards people who are gay, but also to people who do not have theistic beliefs (which, BTW, would have included his own mother). But that’s not a deal breaker for me. Presuming he responded fairly to the Human Rights Campaign’s survey, there is little functional difference policy wise between Obama and Clinton on GLBT issues (just as there are few real policy differences between the two).
HRC survey here.
Regarding what Ferraro said. It was stupid, and it was racist. First of all, it proposes an untestable hypothetical. Obama is a charismatic guy, but his background and his heritage all combine to make who he is, which is true for everyone. Certainly, being African American has not been an advantage in presidential politics before (ask Jesse Jackson). To imply that Obama wouldn’t have somehow made the grade in presidential politics if he was not African American is not only an offensive thing to say, it is particularly stupid coming from someone who probably would not have been on a ticket is she was not a woman. And it is particularly stupid when you consider the candidate she is stumping for is a woman who took advantage of notariety she got as a First Lady to move into a state and immediately run for the Senate. The fact is, both of these people have made the most of their opportunities, which is what you would want from a presidential candidate.
I also think it is dumb to hold Hillary responsible for what Ferraro said. Hillary has said some dumb things (the “as far as I know” comment about Obama being a Christian rather than a Muslim being one of them), but so has Obama. That also comes with presidential politics.
“I support Hillary because I think she would make the best president. That’s it. But boy howdy has this campaign ever reminded me of the ever present bias of the media and the government and the private sector against women. I have always said I faced far more discrimination as a woman than a lesbian. This campaign has reminded me, in living color, that is oh so true.”
I definitely think we have seen some ugly sexism in response to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Certainly, some of the right’s enormous distaste for the woman is undeniably sexist. But also, it is seen in how what she does is interpreted. Pundits in particular seem to have difficulty gauging how what Hillary does has an effect on her campaign (for example, they badly misread how Clinton’s reference to a Saturday Night Live skit would be responded to-largely because they didn’t see the pattern of behavior that the skit was referring to even when it happened later in the debate-the greatest moment in dumb punditry was when Clinton referred to the skit, then before the following commercial break Obama said something, Clinton wanted to say something in reply, and Brian Williams cut her off, said they would come back to it, and didn’t). On the other hand, it would be a very big mistake to interpret every criticism of her and how she conducts her campaign as arising from sexism. My biggest concern, however, as I have stated above is the viewpoint that if Obama triumphs it is seen as a triumph for sexism. I absolutely guarantee you, however, if Clinton were to go into the convention behind in pledged delgates and win the nomination through super delegates, Obama’s African American supporters WILL see it as a triumph for racism, particulary because soome of his older voters still remember having to pay poll taxes if they wanted to vote at all. If Hillary were to pull it out with pledged delegates, then that may be a different story. I think they are both good candidates. What I like about Obama is that he does have a cerebral and calm style that is a remarkable contrast to what we have had for the last 7 years.
“JR is correct in saying that now, every criticism of Obama is a racist comment. Anyone who doesnt kiss his ass is racist and all we have to do is just STFU and elect him and all problems will be solved.”
Bullsh*t (in the Harry Frankfurt sense). JR is wrong and so are you. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms leveled against Obama and his campaign (note Mr. Controversy’s comments above, I should have known who he actually was by the way). But legitimate criticisms reference what a person says and what they do (or fail to say or do), not who they are. Hillary generally does better in describing specific policy, but that is contrastive and if one really pays attention, s/he will notice that Obama actually does a good job at that as well. Obama has run a good campaign largely by staying true to who he is. The fact is, the difference between the two is largely in manner. I also, to be absolutely blunt, find it ironic that you would so enthusiatically agree with JR’s comments when just upthread you relayed a rant from a person who clearly implied that criticisms of Hillary Clinton almost invariably arise from sexism.
From the rant:
“So, go ahead, Keith, make my day. If you still plan on having your special comment tonight where you drag Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro through the mud and expose them to shame and ridicule, I will have Brook sitting with me to watch you one last time. And I will carefully explain to her why men in power are never to be trusted to consider anyone but themselves. And that with this special comment, you are not sticking up for the african-americans out there who have nothing to fear from Clinton. You are sticking up for your *own*- the guys.”
The implication is clear (and you said you couldn’t have said it better yourself). But then you also said:
“You can’t have it both ways.”
I agree. I would encourage you to take a look at what you have said and think about that.
“I think that’s the polar opposite of the ’soft bigotry of low expectations’. That’s setting the bar so freakin’ high it will ONLY ever be seen as a failure. Ever hear of ‘under promise and over deliver’?”
Now THAT, I think, IS a real danger with an Obama presidency, particularly among his messianic younger supporters. When you engender high expectations arising from the idealism of youth, you risk creating cynics when you can’t deliver. However, I don’t think Obama is the lightweight that you appear to think he is.
Well thank you ksagnostic for that commentary.
It was well – long…
(chortles)
Yes, longer than some posts but each word well worth reading. Thank you.
J R–
Consider this:
“The easiest way to defeat your enemy is to make him your friend.”
J R–
I think the reason Hillary won’t release her returns (as Obama has done) is because it will show her to be a multi-multi millionaire.
You know, the kind of people that you say “we can’t work with”?
She doesn’t want to let the American people know how wealthy she has become by serving corporate masters.
One can’t blame her for that. But one can wonder why she gets the level of support that she gets for her secrecy . . .
By the way, a legitimate (and absolutely non-racist) criticism of Barack Obama? Letting a guy like Donnie McClurkin use a presidential rally to shill for his dubious cause and offering what was widely seen as a tepid reponse to demands for an explanation.
Also, apparently I screwed up my HRC link.
Hopefully, Word Press will let me post this.
http://a4.g.akamai.net/f/4/19675/0/newmill.download.akamai.com/19677/anon.newmediamill/pdfs/Questionnaire_ReportCard.pdf
Apparently, according to the link, their is no difference between Clinton and Obama on gay/lesbian issues.
““The easiest way to defeat your enemy is to make him your friend.”
Thanks no.
I like being able to trust my friends. There is not a single person I can think of or know on the right that I would want as a friend.
There is no difference on their positions regarding racial equality, affirmative action, etc.
so?
So nothing. My reply was in response to ksagnostic’s post. He added the link. I just sumamrized.
Hillary Clinton — The Manchurian Republican?
http://tinyurl.com/3bjbxb
I wasnt attacking you LJ. I’m just pointing out that both candidates have official positions on these issues.
And both candidates have associated themselves with folks who say things that are in direct conflict with those “official” positions.
And yet, Hillary apologized for Ferraro’s comments. And her husband’s comments.
And obama has yet to apologize for mcclurkin. Or denounce marymary or hezakiah walker.
So, which positions really belong to the candidate? The official ones on the website? The ones espoused by surrogates? The ones they apologize for?
I think there have been FAR more snarky things said about Clinton here than obama. The Hillary supporters here have not attacked obama personally.
I dont think the obama supporters can say the same.
And it’s a damn good thing the Hillary supporters have thicker skin. They need it.
no one has enough delegates to win the nomination outright, and it doesnt look like either one WILL have enough to lock up the nomination before the convention.
So you want to play, “whoever is ahead at dark gets to call the game”? Really? Since when did the party chose those rules. Now the Obama supporters think he has the mantle. And they are outraged when someone points out he is NOT the annointed one. Yet. The nomination is still up for grabs, and Hillary STILL outpolls barack in national head to head polls.
Must be SOMEONE other than JR and I and Linda and Steven who want her to win the nomination. You can dismiss us, but we wont go away, and we have numbers. You wanna make nice with the republicans? How about you start by making nice with US?
If your guy gets the nod monkey, he better be prepared to deliver on all his high and mighty statements and bring those crossover voters you trumpeted in Kanass with him. He’s gonna need them to win in the general.
If he loses the general, he will NOT be able to blame that on Hillary. Yer on yer own with him. Let’s see ya win it.
I do agree with Ferraro on one thing. This is indeed the LAST time obama will get to play his own whiney race card and not get called on it.
Kfg- How does Hillary overcome her high negatives to win the election?
Since Neither Hillary or Obama would be my candidates of choice (I amnot sure who would), I haven;t followed what has been said by each, or about each. Ferraro’s statement was just stupid, and out of place by a woman in her position. As I stated yesterday, in today’s climate that makes the boss responsible. I don;t always agree with that. But that is the way it is. I think that politicians should always have thick skins when it comes to policy. So much of the debate in todays culture is not about policy. Perhaps because of the reality that the candidates aren’t that far apart? Or because of the reality many Americans are too busy bitchin about 1) What happened on Ameican idol 2) I got no schoolin, but I wants me a high paying job.
However, I will try and look up the individuals you name, and try and understand your beef with them.
It is outrageous and unfair that Ferraro is accused of racism merely for speaking the truth.
So let’s be equal opportunity in looking for offense.
What does Barack have to say about the statements that come from the black racist pastor of his church?
Bill Clinton was in Erie PA yesterday.
I have a picture of him with my girlfriend.
Not sure what I will do with that. I will probably have to keep all of my Republican pictures off the wall, or she will insist on hanging up HER pictures, now!
However, when asked, at the store, how my girlfriend was doing, I rolled my eyes and mentioned that picture.
I got two very angry looks from some Black folks, in the store.
I wanted to say, “Hey, I am a Republican” — but I was not sure that was the problem, or that it would make anyone less hostile.
This race stuff cuts pretty deep.
Those who live by the “race card” die by the “race card” — The Democrats DESERVE this problem, they created it!
Even so, I think Geraldine said what many people do think. Geraldine even admits she would not have been on the Mondale ticket, if not for gender issues.
The Eagle plays the race card the old fashioned way, calling everyone a “racist” that observes race politics in action.
The Eagle doesn’t like Saturday Night Live or anyone else making fun of Obama.
Hey, I like Obama.
I would trust him with my keys, my money, my kids.
I just do not want Obama to be President, I do not think he has the experience.
I also think that the Eagle wants to give Obama as many “pillows” as they can find.
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Think of it this way:
I belonged to a multi-racial fraternity, in college. We took lots of heat for it.
Once, there was a real reason to kick someone out who happened to be Black.
That was a sick feeling, for many of us.
I made the point, at the time, that using different rules for a Black man than we would for a White man would be true racism.
I asked, “If he were White, what would we do?”
Obama is a smart, bright, articulate man.
However, without the “Black Vote” Obama would not have won in several states.
Why did Obama win the Black vote?
I think we should give Geraldine a break.
“I think we should give Geraldine a break.”
I agree.
Nose? Skull? Leg?
i agree, where’s obama’s outrage at his minister?
Talk about anti woman.
The post at 1:18 reflects on the person who posted it.
And not favorably.
JR
You claimed you once wrote “Fritz and Tits call it Quits” on the black board, at WSU, back during one of your tectonic Party affiliation shifts. I think you claimed to have been a Republican at that time. That was the day after Reagan beat Mondale.
Who will “call it quits” next?
By the way
Obama’s Minister will be a HUGE issue in November.
The Obama’s have given thousands of dollars to their church.
Their Minister is on record saying “God D### America” and that “Barack knows what it is like to live in White America!”
Obama will have to distance himself from his own Minister, very, very soon.
If Obama wins:
Obama will get less than 50% of the Hispanic vote.
Obama will get less than 50% of the Jewish vote.
It is Obama’s own darn fault, the people in Obama’s campaign are hostile towards other minorities.
There are plenty of places for you to stick your nose paulie.
If you like I could suggest a few?
You’re welcome to keep it out of our nomination process.
Yikes! Hannity was just playing some audio of Obama’s pastor.
The guy is a racist AND a screaming loon.
I don’t think Obama can easily distance himself from that.
JR
My nose goes where I want it to go.
This is not YOUR Blog, anymore than Hannity is YOUR radio show.
And, You have switched parties far too often to tell anyone else what Party to comment upon.
By the way, JR, Hannity considers Ferraro one of his friends and has spoken in her support over this.
Is Hillary wrong to to have a friend that consorts with Republicans like that?
Besides the fact that he can not count, here is Obama’s Minister in his own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYIZs
Once paulie. I have switched parties once.
When I left the Republican party.
“My nose goes where I want it to go.”
Please. Not TOO much information on where it’s been. I kinda get the idea.
JR
You say you voted FOR Reagan, over Mondale/Ferarro.
That was in 1984.
The day afery you voted for Reagan, you claim that you wrote “Fritz and Tits call it Quits” on the Blackboard, at WSU.
Then, you say you were a prolife protester at the “Summer of Mercy” in 1991. The George W. Bush administration filed a brief, in Court, against George Tiller and Judge Kelly, that Summer.
Yes, there are Democrat prolifers, but?
And, you claim that you yelled, “Baby Killer” at women going into the clinic.
Everyone I know would have asked you to shut up or leave.
Anyway, you went from a Reagan supporter, in 1984, to a Dukakis supporter, in 1988, to a Prolife protester, in 1991? And all of this time, you were a loyal Labor Union Leader?
Ok.
If you say so.
And JR
On this very Blog you have claimed that you were an independent, more than once.
Paulie I wasn’t so much pro life as I was anti sex.
Common among many “pro lifers”.
Actually getting some went a long way toward getting me over that AND being a Republican!
And I didn’t join a union until 90.
Since you asked.
We can all change our minds.
Nothing wrong with that.
However, none of us have the right to tell others what subjects or parties we are allowed to comment upon.
“This race stuff cuts pretty deep.”
So does sexism. And it’s getting damn tiring. And older women actually GET their asses to the polls, unlike some other groups. Cross us at your own peril.
And btw, I should be clear about something. I think Ferraro was FIRST being punished for speaking the truth. Obama would not be where he is in the presidential race were he a young white guy. And Ferraro admitted she wouldnt have been the VP nominee if she had been a guy.
Sorry the truth is so offensive.
I do think she was wrong though in subsequent comments. She should indeed have stopped digging.
But like her, I think her first comments were not out of line. They were in the public domain a WEEK before the obama folks made a big deal out of it.
I think it is the obama folks playing the race card. Sorry Geraldine got caught up in all of it and made it worse trying to defend herself. And I agree it is the last time he and his will get away with it.
I think there are lots of issues about obama the gop will make hay with in the general. Not the least of which is his pastor. IF HILLARY had a pastor saying such things, the obama folks would be crying big tears and demanding she step down.
Kinda like they are doing now…
You obama supporters think the repubs are just gonna give him a bye in the general? heheheh.
No more than they will with Hillary. If you want to beat Bush-McCain, ya just better get ready to fight.
No matter the nominee.
…and if I’m in a fight? I want HILLARY at my back. Not obama.
kfg, you sound a lot like my Texas friends – feisty and opinionated. Nothing wrong with that, but just an observation that Texas blood still runs deep in your veins. :D
One of my favorite Texas sayings was:
“Any body living north of the Red River is a damn Yankee!”
:)
Actually
If this political race teaches us how to get past the “political correctness” or “racist – sexist” stuff, It will be well worth it.
I don’t care for bigots.
I also don’t care much for people who hide behind their race or their sex, thinking that we can not argue with them because of their status.
More on Obama’s minister:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300135,00.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs
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