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ya, good luck. Hopefully McCain will be in jail for violation of his own campaign finance reform.

I’m sure Bush will issue a pardon. Rar-rar-rar corruption at its finest rah-rah.

“ya, good luck. Hopefully McCain will be in jail for violation of his own campaign finance reform.

I’m sure Bush will issue a pardon. Rar-rar-rar corruption at its finest rah-rah.”
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Would he issue as many pardons as Clinton did in his last few hours of office? Ya’ think?

The problem with going after McCain on finance reform means ensuring a very dirty race in the General.

Since Soros and MoveOn.barf formed 527’s to destroy the opponent as opposed to bolstering their candidate – the republicans will follow suit.

This could well be the dirtiest campaign in election history.

McCain had the right idea in trying to block the wealthy from “buying” the Presidency but, of course, the corrupt peons found a way around it.

Now, we’ll all wallow in that mud hole.

Led by the disgusting pig, Michael Moore.

And PM wants him arrested for trying to do something right. In what world does mentality like that make sense?????

Obama will win the election and Republicans should be VERY afraid.

One more time (for now!), from page 55 of “The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost Of The Iraq Conflict,” by Stiglitz and Bilmes.

“There is a simple message of this book, one that needs to be repeated over and over again: there is no free lunch, and there are no free wars. In one way or another, we will pay these bills. Conservatives emphasize the costs of raising taxes–there is a ‘deadweight loss,’ a loss in efficiency, in output, from the diminished incentives from the higher taxes. If we decide to someday pay these debts, then the cost to the economy may well be far more than the trillions of dollars of increased indebtedness. We need to include the extra cost of the burden of taxation to pay off the debt, a burden that the Bush administration has pushed onto our children. If we decide to continue to postpone paying off these debts and simply pay the interest due, taxes will be higher, year after year, forever–with all the consequent costs. If we decide to let the debts mount, as we borrow more and more money from abroad, we as a nation will be poorer; and for all our borrowing, some of the debt will come at the expense of domestic investment, either private or public, again at great expense to future growth. We will pay a price for the war, but we will also pay a price for trying to pretend that there was no cost and postponing these costs on to the future. These extra ‘bills due’ could easily increase the costs of the war by 50 percent or more. The cumulative interest bill is a reminder of such economic realities.”

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right arm linda!

Gathering proposed to settle democratic race:

Apparently, the democratic leadership is getting edgy, as reflected by a few bloggers here, about the outcome of the very real fighting match between Hillary and Obama. They want to stop the party from a melt-down which may only get worse at the national convention in August. Instead, they want to duke it out sooner, rather than later so their candidate of “choice” will emerge and begin the healing.

The KCStar.com newspaper reports a proposal for a “mini-convention” to be scheduled immediately following the last state primaries which are held
3 June. This “mini-convention”, unconventional, and again another rule change by the democractic election committee would have the super-delegates gather and “will decide the nomination, one way or another”.

So liberals, it appears a new D-Day (Democratic Day) will emerge on 4 June. Whereas the traditional D-Day of June 6th began the epic battle to end tyranny in Europe, the new Democratic D-Day will establish a tyranny in America, where the super-delegates will surely decide for liberal voters whom their candidate will be.

People, I can’t make this stuff up!!!

KCSTAR.com

American Way sure is an “expert” on Democrats.

Another gorilla dust dreamer methinks!

Linda,

As an old time conservative, I don’t have a viable candidate this year (please note my repeated reference to “McClame”).

I will be voting for the lesser of two evils, or maybe actually FOR a candidate – if Ron Paul runs as an independent. Not that he has a chance of winning. But it would allow me to vote for the candidate closest to my convictions and at the same time show the republicans my displeasure at their lost ways.

Ain’t gonna happen. It’s a sad ploy by democrats to unit their freyed party.

unit=unite

(I must have gotten up too early to hide eggs.)

See Pepper that is the difference. I put the candidate and the issues ahead of the party.

Hey, the only egg laid here today was by the democratic party admitting they are going to steal this election from you (Pepper you might as well send in both those checks).

Democratic Super Delegates Tenn Gov Bredesen, Leila Medley, Sen McCaskill, and Cleaver from MO, Rep. De Fazio of Oregon, and Sharles Shchumer from NY support Clinton’s idea of the “mini convention”.

You can shoot the messenger, but you are the one with big fat egg to deal with.

If the Super delegates vote as their states populace voted (which I’m pretty sure they will) that will erase those BIG states advantage and give it back to WE THE PEOPLE. That’s a good thing! The Democratic party ensures we all have a part in choosing our nominee. Even in Kansas where the Democrats vote doesn’t usually count!

All Clinton has right now to brag about is she has won the states that SHOULD count, while ignoring the many she lost and thinks shouldn’t count. That’s why she has to NOW be for seating delegates from Florida and Michigan — her new and UNimproved way of looking at things! This after she agreed to the rules.

But, hey, what are rules — just something bushco and Hillary Clinton can change at their convenience!

Obama won primary delegates in states that the Democrats will probably not win in November.

However, that is a political wonk observation that will not go over well, if and when Hillary grabs the nomination.

PA Gov. Rendell thinks Hillary can win PA by a very large margin. If that happens? Things could change rather quickly.

Rendell makes the point that Kennedy and Kerry support Obama, but Mass. went for Clinton. Also, the Gov. of NM might have gone for Obama, but the STATE of NM went for Clinton.

Look, this is a weird year all the way around.

My point is that McCain got nominated, primarily, with states he will NOT carry in November.

Obama is about to do the same thing.

“Now then you have $4.00/gal gas/payback for all”

$4.00 + a galloon is a good thing. I hope it hit’s $5.00. I laugh and honk as I drive by the gas stations where the SUV’s/PU’s are taking forever to fill their large tanks. I love the autostop feature on my hybrid at stop lights. Gives me a chance to listen to the drivers next door crying about the gas they are wasting. Bring it on. Good for the environment. It will speed up the production of high efficient vehicles, force the big three to retool or die, and cut the trade deficit.

But just for fun Pepper: Please tell me how your candidate, as President, is going to decrease that price? Hmmmm?

And I’m not getting personal, but the payback bit?
Just how is your candidate going to selectively perform “payback” while uniting all Americans?

Linda
Let me suggest to you that you have difficulty seeing things for other points of view.

IF you were a Michigan Democrat, how would you feel?

IF you were a Florida Democrat, how would you feel?

It has been proven, time and time again, that Bush WON Florida.

I, however, understand the bitterness and the hard feelings about that past constest. I do not excuse the conspiracy kook stuff, that often goes with it, but I understand the desire to “make every vote count.”

I GUARANTEE you that Michigan and Florida advertising has already been produced, showing prominent Democrats demanding that “Every Vote Count” and then reminding Florida and Michigan Democrats that their votes have been IGNORED— by the Democrat Party!

Also, Linda, you MIGHT want to study the DNC rules and some history.

Florida and Michigan did not so much “break rules” as break tradition.

More importantly, other states have violated “rules” as well, but those other states were not punished.

Paul,

There is one thing I’ve learned well. You and I can read the same words and come away having read something entirely different than the other. I don’t think that means anything except you are highly unlikely to believe anything I say and the same goes for me believing what you have to say. I honestly have never met (figuratively as we’ve never met in person) a person whom I’m so completely at odds with. That doesn’t mean anything more or less than I’ve said here. Guess it comes down to the truth of we each have opinions that are as good and as useless as any other.

“Florida and Michigan did not so much “break rules” as break tradition….More importantly, other states have violated “rules” as well, but those other states were not punished.”

Bullshit. All of the candidates agreed that both Michigan and Florida would not count. No other states violated party rules, so no need for punishment.

End of story.

Hillary can just get over it and the Republics can just butt out.

Paul, you just spin shamelessly. Same talking points over and over, which have been refuted, over and over.

1) Once again, Paul presumes to be an expert on Jeremiah Wright on the basis of exerpts from Faux Noise.
2) He avoids what Obama has said, both in the book which Wright is sited as an influence, and what he has said as a candidate. He tries to bring the focus on Wright, rather than Obama himself, so that he can tar Obama with Wright’s viewpoints.
3) The all or nothing. Because Wright has said objectionable things, it somehow reveals major flaws when Obama allows him to marry him and to baptise his children. Obama has explained his association with Wright. Furthermore, as has been pointed out, the relationship between a UCC minister and his/her congregation is not one of expected 100% agreement.

Paul continues to bullsh*t, and make definitive assertions of what he believes must be true according to his predetermined political beliefs.

As I have said before, he is the last person to be lecturing others about integrity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/18/politics/main3947908.shtml

WS
Nevada and South Carolina “leap frogged” but did so far enough back that they were not punished.
I admit that it is rather hard to follow, but the history of Democrat Primary rules is full of smoke-filled room tyrants telling people what to do.

Hey, I like the idea of NOT having a “national primary” and doing this a few states at a time.

I am simply pointing out that the old “smoke filled room” is back in charge, in the Democrat Party —

I think that the rules, themselves, were not fair, and that the rules were not enforced fairly, and that, in the end, the rules will be amended anyway.

Watch what you say, in reponse, Dems!

Some of your “sainted leaders” agree with everything I have said in this post.

“If the Super delegates vote as their states populace voted (which I’m pretty sure they will)”

Are you sure Linda? The facts don’t support that.
I’ll mention Cleaver from MO as one example. He has publicly stated he is pledged for Hillary, despite his district going with Obama.

There are many others.. Do a google search on pledged super delegates and confirm.

WS
If a candidate ran for office, on the Republican side, and it came out that that candidate was very close to a member of the KKK for over 20 years, would it matter if that KKK member was:
Nice to animals?
Helped (white) little old ladies accross the street?
Gave money to some charity?

NO, it would not matter. The Republican candidate would be forced to relate how, if ever, he or she had ever taken the KKK member to task for those radical views.

I have spun nothing.

Honest people in the Democrat Party agree that Obama has NOT put this issue behind him.

Wright will be an issue, all year.

The issue is courage vs cowardice.

Obama, on the Wright issue, was and is a coward.

“Democrats want to restrict drilling and regulate the hell out of us, then bitch when the price goes up, and then tax us to death.”

Econ, you are dead on it once again.

What I really get a kick out of is the crazy mantra for “carbon credits”.

These nuts actually believe “evil big businesses” will pay these “credits” (read new tax revenue stream for government to waste).

We know who will really be paying. The consumers.

And they will whine and cry about that!

“Obama, on the Wright issue, was and is a coward.”

Even more bullshit. The Wright issue is just an excuse for those that would not have voted for Obama anyway. Their opinions have zero impact.

“The Wright issue is just an excuse for those that would not have voted for Obama anyway.”

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. “Which would be worse: for Obama to say he agrees with every word his pastor said, or to leave us to infer that he was willing to wink and nod in the face of a racist, anti-American for his adult life? Either way Obama’s actions and inactions are not in support of good character.”

We are getting off topic.

Democrats have not settled on our nominee.

Republicans have.

We should see debate between our candidates and the Republican candidate.

“or to leave us to infer that he was willing to wink and nod in the face of a racist”

Barack Obama’s speech in Philly was hardly a “wink and a nod” to Wright – obviously you choose to ignore that because it serves your purpose.

But you weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway, so it makes little difference.

I loved, respected, looked up to, thanked my Dad every day until his death 10 years ago. I still thank him for values instilled which have served me well for over 60 years.

He was a racist. There is no other way to put it and I’m not going to give any examples because I’m still ashamed of that part of him. Some of the memories of his racism are really ugly.

And I proudly say I love and respect that man. He deserved my love and respect for much. And he was a racist.

I understand completely Barack Obama’s relationship with his former pastor.

We should see debate between our candidates and the Republican candidate.

Yes back on topic JR.

No, you make a decision and decide who your candidate is.

Only then will we see a nominee debate.

In a debate, one only needs to ask McCain in what areas does he have a materially different position than does George “19%” Bush.

End of debate.

It’s not a matter of fear JR, although that is a good tactic to take when trying to start a fight.

You guys cannot decide upon a candidate. Your team set the rules, set the convention, and now are attempting to change both of them.

McClame won his party nomination. Where is your worthy opponent?

It’s like KU and the sweet sixteen. You don’t get to challenge the final winner – until you are one.

Both the excellent candidates for the Democratic Parties nomination are capable of challenging the nominee of the Republican Party.

We’ll have a nominee in plenty of time.

J R, he is already doing himself in. Do we want the Republicans to be fully aware of what we clearly see this early? Time is on our side.

If these three were on a stage together, responding to questions, that close in comparison, McCain’s senility would be obvious even to the 30 per centers.

And, Cindy isn’t Nancy.

“Econ101″ pleads –

“It is NOT “racist” to say that Obama is a coward and an opportunist…”

Yes it is, “Econ101,” and that’s why the Republic Party is milking ten or fifteen seconds out of a 40-year career of sermons to portray an “angry black man” as Obama’s Rasputin.

But I’m surprised you argue so vehemently against the Republic Party’s racist base; the party of of Strom Thurmond, Phil Gramm, and other former Southern Democrats who fled to the Republic Party per Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy.”

Embrace your racism, “Econ101!” Be proud of it. Don’t be a coward and deny that virtually the only dark faces in the hall during the last nine GOP conventions were the singers hired to perform for television.

econ101 posted March 23, 2008 at 11:21 am

“Obama, on the Wright issue, was and is a coward.”

econ101 lacks the tiny amount of intelligence, and the tiny amount of “connection” to the human race, to understand what Obama said.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBbKG

“The only votes the Republican Party nominee can count on are from the 30% who still support bushco.”

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That’s absolutely wrong. Just because Bush doesn’t have a lot of support from current Republicans, doesn’t mean those people are going to sell out their ideal and vote for the two liberal candidates. They have more sense than that. They’ll vote GOP just because they know it’s the party with integrity.

On the other hand, the Democrats are eating themselves with sexism/racism and even within their own parties, there are folks who will cross over and vote for a white man instead of a woman or a black. Racism and sexism both still exist within the labor portion of the democrat party.

The dems should enjoy their fifteen minutes of glory – because that’s all they’re going to get.

The two Democrat candidates are at a disadvantage, despite the current feeding frenzy by the blacks and the feminists. Their campaigns have been hyped and hyped but the issues that will sink them haven’t even begun to be approached. When the GOP gets ahold of Mr Arrogant and MS “I can’t remember.”

“Hide your own parties indecisiveness!”

We have TWO worthy candidates and we are taking our time choosing the right one to occupy the White House come January ‘09.

The Republics have a goofy old man that can’t even tell the difference between Sunni and Shia.

The issue of Obama v. Clinton will be decided well before the Convention, in plenty of time for the Party to unite and kick McBush’s sorry behind.

“And the public ain’t buying it!”

Only the ones that never had an intention or inclination to vote for Obama in the first place.

The issue will have zero impact on the Election.

Komrade,

You seem to be still living in the 1950’s, with your old, inaccurate, racist and sexist attitudes.

Monkey
The Republican Party NEVER made a former KKK member the Senate Majority Leader.
KKK Democrat Senator Robert Byrd even used the “N” word, rather recently.

“Your candidate McCain”

Come on JR. You know he is not MY candidate.
Read me on other threads (boring but it would prove it).

McClame doesn’t have a dog in this fight. Pick your dog and bring your winner.

Potentially, such a debate could hurt both your candidates. There is nothing certain in politics.
Regardless, this is a non-starter due to democratic indecision and in-fighting.

Obama ran away from a debate he SHOULD have had:
A debate with his Pastor!

That makes Obama a coward and unfit to lead this country.

Obama can not disagree with a man like Write, or a man like Farrahkan, until Obama is FORCED to disagree with those nut jobs?

Nope, Obama is not presidential materail.

“A debate with his Pastor!”

And you know he didn’t HOW?

“The issue of Obama v. Clinton will be decided well before the Convention, in plenty of time for the Party to unite and kick McBush’s sorry behind.”

Which is why the next debate will be after you democrats take your time and pick your best candidate. If you can’t your super-delegates will.

“You seem to be still living in the 1950’s, with your old, inaccurate, racist and sexist attitudes.”

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Wait and see. The world’s just not as rosy as the liberals like to pretend.

Let’s do this the Democratic way.

You Republicans can play too.

I vote we see this debate. What say you bloggers?

“If you can’t your super-delegates will.”

That is part of the nominating process and has been since the early Eighties – no big deal – the candidate with the most popular vote and most pledged delegates will get the nod.

This is a non-story – just fodder for salivating Republics.

If Obama or Clinton have a debate with McCain they better have it at 2pm. McCain goes to bed around 3pm. Keeping him up too long makes him cranky and he’ll start muttering things involving bombing Iran for made up reasons.

“Truth is – they won’t unite.”

As they say in the South, hide and watch.

The country will not vote for “Four More Years!” of George WMD Bush and McCain is running as Bush III.

The Republics cannot win with that stratergy (Bush spelling.)

“Do you know any people who have racist, sexist, and/or other offensive attitudes? Family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc?

Then don’t be a coward — tell them that you never want to have any contact with them after today.”

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The way Obama DIDN’T tell his disgusting pastor?

Shouldn’t we just follow his lead and make excuses for them?

Nice try Monkeyhawk, but anyone reading the posts will see my response of “imparting wisdom” was directed at your comment that you were “bowing down” before me.

You joke. I joked.

And, I knew the rules of super-delegates. Hell, I’ve been posting them for months trying to get you folks to WAKE UP to the election being STOLEN for the democratic nomination.

I was responding to Linda, who felt “sure” the super-deleagates would vote “as their states populace voted”.

Knowing full well there is no RULE, I pointed out super-delegates already pledged CONTRARY to their states.

Further, since the democrats are making rules as they go along, I think it will ultimately be a distinction on how the super-delegates DO vote.

It is GOING to be an issue. I have read any number of sites where democrats strongly feel as Linda does. The Super-delegates appear to be worried: Do they go with their power and possible influence, or do they go with the people?

Watch and see. They will make excuses. They will split within states (and use percentages as an excuse for being the one voting CONTRA to the people).

It’s an interesting election. Don’t spoil it by trying to attack me and wasting time.

Hey Dems
IF it were up to me, I would have McCain debate BOTH Hillary and Obama, but I would demand 4 debates, one in Florida, one in Michigan, and another in the West Virginia, and another in Obama’s Church, in Chicago.

McCain could then promise the voters of Michigan and Florida he would listen to them.

McCain could then demand that the Democrat Party distance itself from KKK Robert Byrd.

McCain could then demand that Obama go into detail about what he agrees with, and disagrees with, in Obama’s own church, as far as Pastor Wright is concerned.

1.) Sen. Obama, you say that you can get World leaders to respect America, yet your Church has been closely associated with hate-monger Loius Farrahkan and with Hamas. How should supporters of Israel feel about your past associations? Have you ever challenged the anti-Jewish remarks of religious leaders who preach hate? (Prior to running for President, that is).

2.) Senator Obama, you wish to lead this country. In order to enact public policy, the people deserve to have accurate information. Didn’t YOU have a duty to correct your own “mentor” Pastor Wright, when Wright said that the United States was imported illega drugs as a way to control the Black population?

3.) Didn’t you have a duty to correct your mentor, the Pastor Wright, when he said that AIDS was invented by White people to destroy the Black race?

4.) Don’t Black people deserve to know that President George W. Bush has spent more money fighting AIDS in Africa, than anyone else in history?

Ya, Bring it on!

“McCain will establish himself and his own agenda”

When? He has yet to offer anything other than more of the same.

WS
Obama’s back is STILL against the wall on this Pastor Wright stuff.

IF Obama had ever taken Wright to task, for his views, than Obama would be telling us about that exchange.

He isn’t.

Because he DIDN’T!

“IF Obama had ever taken Wright to task, for his views, than Obama would be telling us about that exchange.”

Or Barack respects a “private” conversation.

You do not know that that conversation did not take place – and you know it, Rossell.

At least Obama did not SEEK the endorsement of a pastor that referred to the Catholic Church as the “Great Whore.”

I notice that you have not defended that choice by McCain.

Remember, McCain ASKED for the endorsement from Hagee.

I am getting tired of waiting for Econ to show us all something Rev. Wright has said that hasnt been said before?? But, so far, he REFUSES to do so… I willl keep waiting, I guess…

I didn’t realize church was a two way street. I always thought the preacher lectures everyone and they sit quiet. Heck, if I had known I could stand up and argue with the preacher I’d go more often for the entertainment value. Too bad I have to work today it would be fun to disrupt an Easter service.

Paul, which church do you go to so I can argue with the preacher about the Catholic support for Nazis, the spread of AIDS, and protection of pedophiles? Or have you spent too much time denouncing your preacher for those issues? I’ll go to you with you to your church just to see you get in an argument with your priest.

Chas
Hate is pretty common, in this world.
What is uncommon is that we do not have enough people who stand up against hate, when it can make a real difference.
Obama allowed his congregation to be poisoned by hate, and never spoke against that hate.
If he had?
We would know about it.

Also, McCain sought the endorsement of the pastor who said that Hurricane Katrina was “the judgment of God against New Orleans”.

That bizarre claim should cause multiple thoughts… on multiple issues.

And WS
“Didn’t you have a duty to correct Pastor Wright?”

Notice the question mark.

This is the question EVERYONE with any intelligence has, about this mess.

econ101,

Wright’s congregation was not “poisoned by hate”.

But you seem to be.

“We would know about it.”

HOW?

Fly on the wall? Mouse in his pocket? Extrasensory perception?

You only ASSUME that Obama would make such a conversation public.

And YOU, of all people, should know about assuming anything.

And I still haven’t seen you defense of Hagee – did McCain admonish the pastor before or after his endorsement?

Wait! Neither. McCain sought the endorsement and stood by Hagge’s side when he delivered it.

I guess that means that McBush stands by everything Hagee has said.

Doug hates religion.
Doug, however, will not trash religious leaders who vote the way Doug wants them to vote.

Doug, as you have been told, countless times, the Catholic Church has been thanked, repeatedly, by Jewish leaders for all the risks that the Pope, and other Catholics took, to protect Jews during the Holocaust.

Also, Catholic Priests are no more likely to be pedophiles than the public at large. The Church did not understand the problem and the Church was slow to act. Your attacks could be aimed at religious leaders of other faiths, or at school teachers for that matter.

Again, you hate religious leaders if they do not agree with you.

You seem to be just fine with Pastor Wright, Louis Farrahkan, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. As long as they stay on the liberal plantation, you are fine with conspiracy kook preachers and hate mongers!

Awww, poor Paul throws a temper tantrum when I expose his hypocrisy. Boo hoo.

Paul,
Did you stand up in church and denounce the Catholic Church’s role in the genocide in Rwanda?

Call the SPCA!!!

Econ keeps beating a dead horse.

I guess that’s because he and his Republicans don’t have anything except a tired “guilt by association” and an old geezer that promises a 100 year war.

MY question is stupid???

ECON — SHOW ONE THING that Rev. Wright has said, that hasnt been said before!!!

I do NOT think that is so stupid, given how much blog space you have devoted to telling us half-truths about sound byte quotes you keep posting….

SHOW US ECON — ONE THING that Rev. Wright said that hasnt been said before…
It should be easy… you have claimed to know so much about what Rev. Wright has said… between 2001, and now… So, tell us ONE LOUSY THING that Wright has said, that hasnt already been said???

Come on ECON… I am waiting for your ANSWER… And I am getting tired watching you try to spin around it!!! LOL

That should be the election of the year of 2000 or something like that.

Not the 2000 year election.

Chas
“There is nothing new under the Sun”

It is in the Bible.

As a Minister, you should know that.

But, if you were a Minister?

Ha, you would not have so much time on your hands today.

The best you seem to come up with, is that MY challenge to you is stupid… That sucks, Econ… Really sucks!! Shows what stuff you are made of…

“The POINT is that Obama did not do or say anything about it, until NOW!”

ECON — If it’s OLD NEWS, why would he say or do anything about it before??? Geez, you just cant get to have it both ways!!

Obama was fer the Reverend-uh Wright until he was agin him.

(chortles)

As for a 3-way debate, the only way the Democrats can have a chance to win, is to gang up 2 to 1 on a Republican.

Dream on…

I have, until today, underestimated Paul (Econ101). I have been convinced bushco is the best ambassador the Democratic Party could ever have. Paul equals his abilities in this regard.

jimmymac is confused, and wrong, as usual.

Obama is only “agin” Wright’s unexcusable, offensive remarks. He is not “agin” all of Wright.

jimmymac lacks the tiny amount of intelligence, and the tiny amount of “connection” to the human race, to understand what Obama said.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBbKG

Back up just a minute to see how the Wright-wrong thing developed.

The original lie was Obama was in the house when the Reverend Right preached his “…God bless America? God damn America for its racism” sermon.

The original reporter claimed he was sitting next to Obama as Wright said those words. Then, when it was proven Obama was in Florida that day, the reporter said something like, “Maybe it was a different sermon.”

So we’re left with fifteen or twente seconds of a few sermons from the Reverend Wright out of 40 years of sermons.

And because Obama might (just “might”) have been in the congregation during those fifteen or twenty seconds, the Reich Wing Slime Machine asserts that Wright dictates everything Obama might believe in.

Like Mark Twain noted, “A lie travels around the world before the truth can get its boots on.”

So anything and everything the Reverend Wright might have said (so far we have fifteen or 20 seconds of video), Obama is supposed to be some kind of Rev. Wright zombie?!

Here and all this time, listening to the Reich Wing Slime Machine, I was supposed to think Obama was the Muslim Manchurian Candidate… and now you tell me he’s been sitting in the pew of Christian church where the pastor, in forty years at the pulpet, has generated fifteen to 20 seconds of rhetoric that challenges the belief that America is a Nation of God?!

Okay. I suppose elections have turned on more absurd issues. Maybe it was Nixon’s beard in 1960. Maybe it was Gerald Ford’s claiming the Polish people in 1980 weren’t “oppressed.” Maybe it’s Dukakis looking goofy in a tank.

Perhaps we might step back and think about the real issues. Ya think?

Two days after Obama’s “race” speech he gave a similar speech on the economy. He spoke as a thoughtful adult to thoughtful adults. Did you see any of the coverage? Most people didn’t. Two days later Obama gave a lengthy speech about Iraq and Middle East policy? Did you see it? I was kinda surprised when I came across it on the Internet. Nowhere in the conservative-dominated mainstream press did I hear about it.

I guarantee you if the Republic Party would have had anything to counter Obama’s economic and foreign policy speeches, the parrots would have been all over them like stink on s#it. But, no. All they had was fifteen or 20 seconds of the Reverend Wright’s forty years of sermons, with the added guilt-by-association based on the original lie that the original reporter was “sitting next to Obama” when Obama was in Florida.

“Or maybe it was another week.” Maybe it was *another sermon.*

Meanwhile, McSame declares four times in 48 hours that he’s not sure who the enemy is in Iraq, although he’s advocating a Hundred Years War. Meanwhile, the economy is collapsing under the Republic Party’s obsessiion for de-regulation and McBush admits he’s not all that interested in the economy. Meanwhile, passionate Cons such as “American Way” proclaim they bring “wisdom” to the Democratc Party’s nomination process before being forced into a corner and admitting he’s “confused.”

I dunno. Maybe confusion is the only thing the Republic Party has left. Maybe they can confuse enough others and win a close enough minority to send the 2008 election to the Supreme Court again.

Ha Ha Ha Ha

That was a good one Chas

Ha Ha Ha Ha

WOW — the degeneration of this Blog is nearly noteworthy… Now there are even those who make fun of other posters’ strokes!! What braave Americans we have on the Blog!!

Paul (Econ101) suddenly stopped posting when he was called on his BS.

Lindainks is right. If that’s the best the Repubs have (a lot of hate and lies) than the Repubs are in for a very rough time next election cycle.

Thanks also to Monkey Hawk for the excellent post (1:46)!

Two days after Obama’s “race” speech he gave a similar speech on the economy. He spoke as a thoughtful adult to thoughtful adults. Did you see any of the coverage? Most people didn’t. Two days later Obama gave a lengthy speech about Iraq and Middle East policy? Did you see it? I was kinda surprised when I came across it on the Internet. Nowhere in the conservative-dominated mainstream press did I hear about it.

Remember all the con bitching about the “liberal media” in the 80s and 90s? Well, they did something about it.

Now a handful of corporations determine (at least on television) what we get to see and hear and corporate boardrooms–surprise!–tend to be dominated by conservatives–or least those who see conservative propaganda in the short-term financial interest. Happy Telecom Act of ‘96! :(

I think the sea change we are seeing (and yes, despite the continuing endemic corruption and entrenched interests, I believe that) is that a lot of those greedy phuckers have realized, belatedly, that this nonsense is not even in their short-term interest.

Not that the battles are anywhere near over. Hell, they’ve yet to really begin.

Regular is full of shit as usual.

(snicker)

Hey, Regular, remember recently when you were giving statistics on numbers of posts about other posters? It was only lib posters who always post about other posters, right?

Welcome aboard! You’re gonna love your new party and everything she stands for! Truth means something to us, tolerance too. We welcome diverse viewpoints and ideas. We realize America is made up of a variety of people and strive to include that diversity in our policies.

“Meanwhile, McSame declares four times in 48 hours that he’s not sure who the enemy is in Iraq, although he’s advocating a Hundred Years War.”

I will be voting Democratic in this year’s presidential election (for all the good it will do me in Kansas)…but, please stop.

The hundred year(s) war charge against McCain is as scurrilous as the Wright influenced Obama to be a racist charge.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/cleveland_clinkers.html

However, Monkeyhawk’s recapping of the history of the NewsMax slime attempt was very well done.

“That was a good post a 1:46 by MonkeyHawk?

“I’ve seen less bouncing off of walls than a ping pong ball in a wind tunnel.

“That post was all over the board, incoherent and an ‘arm flailing’ special.

“(chortles)”

Translation: I have nothing to add to this discussion but I can still dish the insults.

Proper Response:
Re Regular:
DNFTT

re: ksagnostic

arm flailing 101

If you want to add something, McCluer, do tell us the differences between the positions of John “I want to be III” McCain and George “19%” Bush…..

That is, if you can FIND a difference.

Sounds like he now likes being what he tries to use as insults against others. Quite ineffective at both.

“Lighten up, it was a joke.”

Looks like the joke’s on you, McCluer.

(chortles)

First Econ101 went away after his spanking…now Regular is fanning his fanny!

You Libs really want to get into a trolling war?

Would hate to send you away crying again like the Fisters.

:)

rules in trolling lmao…

Somebody stole Cosmos’ nic the other night… It was pretty easy to tell… LOL

And of course jimmymac blames Mr. Brownlee for his (jimmymac’s) actions.

Regular posted March 19, 2008 at 5:13 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-319/#comment-316172

“It looks like Brownlee won’t do anything with this blog, so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.

Be prepared to get ugly spilled upon you.

Brownlee wants this blog to be amateur hour, well here it comes.

You’ll never know when it strikes.“

“Be prepared to get ugly spilled upon you.”

And if anyone would know ugly, it would be McCluer – he is about the ugliest beast on the planet.

DNFTT

DNFTT…………………….

Damn, and I just bought a new bag of Purina Troll Chow.

(chortles)

McCluer is a sad lonely soul.

I’m not “bitter” jimmymac.

I just have no respect for a liar like you. You don’t even seem to respect yourself.

“so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.”

Notice the Freudian slip from McCreepy – I wonder what he was THINKING…….

Personally I would think your family would come FIRST…. But, thats just me….

What happened to all the conservative calls for blog civility? And I thought JM was going to “change” — actually, I never thought that. :) I’m not even posting here today and he has to bring my name up. I guess that means I get to him some how. I would prefer and plan to just ignore you J.M.

This is an issue until November.

Poor deluded Paulie.

Keep talking to yourself Paulie. Repeating it over and over might make it true.

“I did catch Juan Williams (clue, he is a Black journalist) on Fox News”

So any criticism from a black person makes it a fact?

“Obama never had the courage, or the character, to challenge Pastor J. Wright, before now.”

Again, you know that HOW?

“Obama has mixed religion with politics, himself, using this Pastor Wright to get ahead, in politics to begin with.”

How’s that? It couldn’t be that Obama was a highly qualified Harvard educated lawyer that had been active in his community for years, now could it?

“This is an issue until November.”

Only for those that would not vote for him in the first place.

Now, how about McCain seeking the endorsement of Hagee – and standing at the lectern with him when the Catholic hating pastor delivered his endorsement?

I guess Paulie wants his fanny spanked some more!

Obama has lots of crazy pastors on his campaign, this one is a Super Delegate:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59735

Last time, Rossell, World Net Daily does not count as a real news source. They make shit up.

Rossell, my relatives back in Kentucky are members of the Assembly of God – when I visit them, I occasionally attend their services with them.

I have heard far more hatred regarding liberals, gays and Catholics out of those folks than anything I have heard from Reverend Wright.

It doesn’t make it right, but I do not condemn my Aunts and Uncles for their attendance.

Now, about Pastor Hagee……………

WS
Show me something that you can DOCUMENT that world net daily “made up” —

Also, you are free to Google the name of this other politician/pastor and super delegate for Obama:

James Meeks!

Is Meeks a politician?
Yes
Is Meeks a “Black Liberation Theology Minister”
Yes
Is Meeks a “Super Delegate” pledged to Obama?
YES!

Obama can not bring the country together, if Obama is not willing to challenge falsehood, and hate, when he hears it!

WS
Does McCain “tith” to Hagee?
I doubt it.
On the other hand, Obama has given more than $22,000.00 to Pastor Wright’s church.

Was McCain Married in Hagee’s church?

Were McCains kids baptized in Hagee’s church?

You are grasping at straws.

Hagee is not even in the same ball park with Pastor Wright, when it comes to hate, or when it comes to affiliation with McCain vs Obama.

“On the other hand, Obama has given more than $22,000.00 to Pastor”

Over twenty years – don’t you believe in tithing, Rossell?

“Was McCain Married in Hagee’s church?”

So why DID McCain SEEK the endorsement of Hagee?

“when it comes to hate”

Blaming homosexuals and a gay pride parade for Katrina is what – unconditional love?

“DOCUMENT that world net daily”

World Net Daily sells pills for $0.28 per day that cure heart disease.

Enough said.

I don’t visit their website often – it is just a step above a porn site.

I don’t visit those either.

Obama NOW says it was “wrong” for his church to promote and justify terrorism and to reprint the radical Hamas manifesto:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59640

But, Obama has many contacts and advisors that would lead reasonable people to believe that Obama is simply in damage control mode, now!

Liberals
It is REALLY simple here:

IF Obama had EVER challenged Farrahkan, or Farrahkan’s buddy, Pastor Wright, before now, Obama would be bragging about that exchange.

Obama NEVER did.

The man is running for President, he surely thinks he is the “best man for the job” and he surely would do anything he could to win, within the law.

Telling the world that he, Obama, had disagreed with Pastor Wright, and challenged Pastor Wright, in the past, would not violate any ethical or moral or legal responsibility of anyone.

Obama is trying to play dumb.

Obama is trying to claim that he never knew his Pastor supported Farrahkan and Hamas, and that he never knew his Pastor thought America “invented” AIDS to destroy Black people.

Obama is trying to plead ignorance.

It won’t work.

If Obama was too naive to know what his “Mentors” Pastor Wright and Pastor Meeks believed?

Then Obama is not qualified to be President.

“Obama would be bragging about that exchange”

Or, as I said before, he is a gentleman that respects a “private” conversation.

You would never vote for Obama anyway, Rossell, so your points – quoted from World Net Daily – are meaningless.

But, why DID McCain SEEK an endorsement from Hagee?

Chas
If it is no big deal, why is everyone concerned about it?

I am just giving people details that the MSM would rather gloss over.

If YOU agree with Pastor Wright? Well, then I suggest that neither you nor your “congregation” (If you really have one) ever run for President.

To claim that America “invented” AIDS in some kooky conspiracy plot is bad enough.

Then, Wright went to a Libya, a “State Sponsor of Terrorism” — and he went there with Nation of Islam hate monger Farrahkan. This was after we all pretty much knew that Khaddafi had shot down an American commercial airliner.

Then, we know that Wright supported and justified terrorism, in his Church newsletter, and that he promoted Hamas.
—-
Chas, more to the point:

YOU seem to be defending Wright.

Why is Obama apologizing for Wright, if, according to YOU (and few others) Wright did NOTHING wrong?

“That is historical fact.”

And you know this HOW?

“I am just giving people details that the MSM would rather gloss over.”

So this is just a media conspiracy?

Sort of like Clinton and the Body Count?

Paulie’s a wackadoo!

Paulie’s a wackadoo!

Paulie’s a wackadoo!

Paulie’s a wackadoo!

Yahoo news quotes several people, including Democrat official, who say that Pastor Wright is a HUGE problem for Obama:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080319/pl_politico/9111_1

econ101 posted March 23, 2008 at 8:07 pm

“Hagee?
Hagee is a kook.”

And McCain asked for his “endorsement”.

That defines McCain.

Libs
Obama had a moral obligation to either convince Wright that his views were wrong, or to leave Wright’s church.

It is that simple.

Unless, of course, Obama agrees with Wright?

ksagnostic
HUH?

If I bring up a Black Republican’s comment on Obama, you dismiss it out of hand.

If I bring up a Black Democrat’s comment on Obama, you spin spin spin and remind me that Juan Williams does not agree with me?

DUH!

There are lots of people, of all political stripes, that have a huge problem with Obama’s ACTIONS — and we are all starting to see his words as empty.

No, I was not going to ever vote for Obama. The man is a liberal.

However, I did used to admire the guy.

“Also, Catholic Priests are no more likely to be pedophiles than the public at large.”
(How do you know that when the church won’t release the #’s of pedophile priests?)
“The Church did not understand the problem and the Church was slow to act.” Econ101

And how exactly do you know this Paul?

Perhaps Obama “did not understand the problem …and was slow to act”.

According to your wackadoo standards, like the Catholic church, Obama should be forgiven.

Pepper
You are being very dishonest.
We know how many Priests there are.
We know how many Priests have been found guilty of crimes.
We know that this percentage is very, very low.

Pepper
You have a huge problem with something called logic!

Check to see how many books and scientific journals were written about “pedophilia” 20 or 30 years ago.

Nobody, repeat NOBODY really understood that such people could probably never be “cured” or change.

Also, very few people really knew it was going on. Such acts usually do not happen on the alter during services, do they?

What this “Priest bashing” is all about is an attempt to silence anyone who speaks up about Obama and his hateful church.

The Catholic Church in America was wrong, on the Pedophile problem, but it was not hateful or deliberately harmful. Also, the Catholic Church has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in damages, for its problem, and taken strong measures to correct itself.

Farrahkan and Wright still preach hate and kooky conspiracy theories, and you liberals think that is just fine.

Econ, for all of your tirade, You STILL havent addressed my challenge…. I guess you CANT answer the challenge!!

And WHERE have I defended Rev. Wright??? You want to show that too while you are at it?? Dont think you can do that either!!

Hell, Econ, the EDITORS of the Blog KNOW I have a congregation…. Why dont you argue the point with THEM for a change???

Econ you are absolutely correct. I don’t have much commons sense and logic is way beyond me.

But if you type real slow, I will try to keep up.

Some used to call me Capn America here. But I sorta like this new NIC.

There is no way in Hell any religion would trust their people with some nut case blogger all day like Chas with their people.

His posts are most revealing.

He has no profession. Although, he did push carts at Dillions once. But I heard he got fired because he couldn’t handle complex duties.

Furthermore, you have continued to defend the Roman Catholic Church, on its treatment of pedophiles, by saying they didnt know much about it “back then.” Yea, right…

WS
Farrahkan is not really a true “Moslem” either.

The Nation of Islam is a cult.

In fact, Malcom X discovered that fact, when Malcom X went to Mecca. That probably got Malcom killed by Elijah Mohammed, the former leader of the Nation of Islam.

Farrahkan was given an award, by Obama’s church:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html

Where did Obama EVER take a stand against Farrahkan, prior to being FORCED to do so?

And, in the linked article, you will see that Axlerod claims Obama DID disagree with his Pastor.

Bull, tell us when and how.

Farrahkan is a very powerful figrue in Chicago.

Obama never stood up to him.

Not once.

Chas.
Posted March 23, 2008 at 9:25 pm | Permalink
Pat Herron — STFU!!!!

See what I mean Vern? Chas ain’t got no sheep skin with reverend on it. The only part of the sheep he has seen is the backside while his brother held him down fer him.

You are NO man of God. You will suffer for this sin of your Chas. You will burn in Hel- for your mockings of God and your make believe world.

PS: No one herein believes your crap. We tolerate you, like a sick child.

econ101 posted March 23, 2008 at 9:08 pm

“Farrahkan and Wright still preach hate and kooky conspiracy theories, and you liberals think that is just fine.”

FALSE. Liberals do not think that is just fine.

But thank you very much for lying, and proving my earlier points, re Obama’s speech, etc.

“The problem is NOT really race, though that is a small part of it.”

The problem is that the problems in America are not being worked on, and solved.

Now econ101, continue with your ineffective lies, and wild arm flailing.

Herron, you arent worth arguing with… You are absolute worthless fecal material!!! You and all your little personalities that go with you!!! Either stick with the damned thread, or GET OFF IT!!!

Herron, your sexual peversion is far too obvious…. and you WILL be brought down for it!! One way or another!! Piece of CRAP!!

Come to think of it, I knew a Chas that was a checker/sacker that worked for Dillons. Dude was always yapping instead of working.

Can you imagine Chas with a REAL congregration?
What would he do from the pulpit if he saw some teenage youngsters laughing and cheesing at his pathetic self.

“STFU YOU LITTLE MONSTERS! QUIT MAKING FUN OF ME!
THIS CHURCH WOULD HAVE SOME POTENTIAL IF NOT FOR LITTLE WEASEL SNOTS LIKE YOU!!!”

No freaking way is this guy ordained, except if it came out of a Cheerio’s box. Probably sent off for a parcel of Alaska too as a kid. One square inch.

Pat Herron is a SLIME BUCKET and a SEX PERVERT that fantasizes about men having sex with SHEEP!!! And thats a FACT!! Just look up thread!!! ROFL!!!

Pat Herron should be locked up with the Dog Rapist for 6 months… Hey, maybe the same cell would work for both of them!!!

Yep James threatened the Blog AGAIN… And just when Econ is getting attacked good, who shows up??? The PHOLNY Pat Herron, or maybe its Hank Price… P H reversed H P Hmmmm… one never knows!! Oh well…. too late to theorize over such things as that…

Nawwww couldnt be Hank, Hank isnt a sex pervert!! Hank might be a lot of things, but Hank aint no sex pevert!!

Thank you WS!

Thank you for getting back on point and addressing the issue.

That IS what this thread is about.

When you let James or Paul distract you, you aid them in defending their pathetic candidate.

Don’t do it.

You notice how Chas and Cosmos were intimate online the other night?

Yuck, can’t imagine a preacher like that.

Will McCain even agree to a one-on-one debate later, with either Clinton, or Obama?

jimmymac: “… so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.”

jimmymac is gonna “whip it out”! Zippp…

“Obama NEVER challenged Pastor Wright until the politics of the day required Obama to distance himself from Pastor Wright.

“That is historical fact.”

I understand Barack scares the crap out of you, but this “problem” (which exists, by the way, in your grossly partisan whack-job mind) has no legs what-so-ever and your constantly repeating that it does, DOES NOT make your statements true. Your candidate is going down and it will be very not-pretty.

By all means, members of Jim Jones church stayed with their minister.

Obama should have stuck with Wright as well.

Good sheep.

Senator McCain should recommend Hillary for a Purple Heart, lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

Actually, to be accurate, Hillary deserves a combat infantry badge, lol, IF her story was accurate. Of course she was not IN the military, but??

I have grown very tired of your race-based hatred, Rossell, and your holier-than-thou approach. You fail to recognize the pastors that have endorsed McCain while condemning Obama, despite the fact the he has denounced the opinions of Farahkhan and Wright.

I have nothing more to say to you.

You are no better than McCluer.

Actually, 55% say this issue will make them LESS likely to vote for Obama.

“I am not being one bit racist.”

Just the same as McCluer.

No different.

You seem pretty free at inviting yourself into the Democratic nomination process there paulie.

We want a debate with John McCain to be part of that process.

Fire off an email. Tell John the Dems promise to be gentle!