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Well, ya gotta admit: Cheney sticks to his guns, regardless of the fact they are totally without ammo, and, in fact, have been passed as “child-safe” by the toy council ‘O the United States.

Hey Walker.

And cheney dont need no stinkin’ facts!

And didn’t that Pentagon review also note that Al-Qaeda didn’t show up in Iraq until 2004?

In the language quoted in the article, Cheney linked 911 and Iraq in only one one place Phillip. Your head.

al qaeda certainly isn’t the only terrorist game in town, and though there may have been no proven link between al qaeda and Saddam, it is proven that he supported terrorist groups and harbored others.

I’m curious what will come out of the Pentagon and the CIA when these clowns are gone. I wonder if we will be told what really drove this invasion of Iraq, as I don’t think we have as to date. ??

Gster, they will probably torch the place on the way out the door so NO ONE will ever know what really happened.

And ya know, what’s said in Paraguay, stays in Paraguay….

Nathan says the only Iraq/terrorist link was in Phillip’s head. Where is Pauliecon to say there was a link? I mean, he has said that enough times, I starting to believe it. :)

Sen. John Sidney McCain the Third has done it again!

For the third time in two days, McSame has pushed the definitively false statement that the terrorist group Al-Qaeda was getting assistance from Iran, even though he was publicly ridiculed (by Joe Lieberman, f’r cryin’ out loud!) for the same false assertion yesterday!

This time, in a statement from his campaign honoring the fifth year anniversary of the war (4 More Years! 4 More Years!), McCain wrote:

“Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran — are on the run but not defeated.”

So what is it? Is Mr. “National Security Over Radical Extremists Trumps Everything” not smart enough to actually know what’s going on or is it a series of senior moments? Either way, it doesn’t reflect well on him. Max Bergmann doesn’t think it’s a gaffe:

“Many in the media seem willing to dismiss McCain’s statement that Iran is training Al Qaeda as a simple slip of the tongue. This is wrong. McCain did NOT misspeak. If he had simply made the statement once, he could perhaps expect to be given a pass.

“But he didn’t just say Iran was training Al Qaeda once. He said it in his initial statement. He was then asked about it in a follow up question where he repeated it. It is not a simple slip of the tongue if when challenged on the “slip” you then REPEAT IT. [He also repeated it on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show]

“That is not a gaffe. That is called believing something that isn’t true. It is called being confused. And being confused about the differences between Shia and Sunni when claiming that you should be elected president of the United States on your foreign policy knowledge and experience, is simply not okay.”

But many in the media don’t even think it’s worth mentioning. After all, the Governor of New York had SEX!!!

McCain doesn’t know Shi’a from Shinola.

“The United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace,” Cheney said Tuesday in Iraq. But didn’t an exhaustive Pentagon review conclude yet again that there was no operational link between Saddam’s regime and al-Qaida?

You’re right chas, I should have said; that Brownlee is the one who linked in his mind what Cheney said about terrorism and Iraq and 911; with the report about lack of a proven al qaeda- Saddam link, which has nothing to do with it.

That won’t be my only mistake today, so keep your eyes open.

For the link challenged. Here are cheney’s words from the link Mr. Brownless posted in his intro to this thread:

“This long-term struggle became urgent on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. That day we clearly saw that dangers can gather far from our own shores and find us right there at home,” said Cheney, who was accompanied by his wife, Lynne, and their daughter, Elizabeth.

“So the United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace,” Cheney said. “Understanding all the dangers of this new era, we have no intention of abandoning our friends or allowing this country of 170,000 square miles to become a staging area for further attacks against

re: “I can see the Shrub at the pearly gates trying to explain Iraq to St. Peter: ” It’s not my faultable, the Debbil made me do it!”

” You know the Debbil , his first name is Dick! It was all his idea!”

http://www.nysun.com/article/58507

Monkey hawk, it appears that your contention that McCain mispoke when he mentioned the Iran - al qaeda connections is easily disputable.

Perhaps the greatest sin to come out of Iraq, besides the “collateral damage” of 150,000+ civilian dead, is the sacrificing of America’s noble young men and women whose epitaph will be “America will never be trusted again”. It already sunk into the attitudes of our most cherised allies and friends. I do not know what we can do to restore trust and honor.

“sursum” notes –

“Perhaps the greatest sin to come out of Iraq, besides the “collateral damage” of 150,000+ civilian dead, is the sacrificing of America’s noble young men and women whose epitaph will be “America will never be trusted again”. It already sunk into the attitudes of our most cherised allies and friends. I do not know what we can do to restore trust and honor.”

We can reject any and all Republic Party partisans who’ve supported the policies of George WMD Bush.

The NY Sun is a tabloid - barely a cut above the National Inquirer.

“Don’t tell me, “outlander” –

Tell Joe Lieberman, who heard McSame say Iran trains al Qaeda THREE TIMES and finally had to correct him!”

Sorry Monkeyhawk don’t have Uncle Joe’s ear.

The “source” quoted is the National Intelligence Estimate. It proves McCain knows what he is talking about. Not so sure about you.

At least bush didn’t repeat his feelings of being envious of the soldiers who were in exciting and romantic endeavors.

Just look at that picture.

This is the man that leads the greatest nation on earth.

I still can’t fully believe it.

I’m gonna post it repeatedly till outlander and the likes recant their statements that Cheney didn’t link this to 9-11. I guess that’s what they get for not reading the darn link to the article.

“This long-term struggle became urgent on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. That day we clearly saw that dangers can gather far from our own shores and find us right there at home,” said Cheney, who was accompanied by his wife, Lynne, and their daughter, Elizabeth.

“So the United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace,” Cheney said. “Understanding all the dangers of this new era, we have no intention of abandoning our friends or allowing this country of 170,000 square miles to become a staging area for further attacks against Americans.”

“This long-term struggle became urgent on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. That day we clearly saw that dangers can gather far from our own shores and find us right there at home,” said Cheney, who was accompanied by his wife, Lynne, and their daughter, Elizabeth.

“So the United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace,” Cheney said. “Understanding all the dangers of this new era, we have no intention of abandoning our friends or allowing this country of 170,000 square miles to become a staging area for further attacks against Americans.”

This long-term struggle became urgent on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. That day we clearly saw that dangers can gather far from our own shores and find us right there at home,” said Cheney, who was accompanied by his wife, Lynne, and their daughter, Elizabeth.

“So the United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace,” Cheney said. “Understanding all the dangers of this new era, we have no intention of abandoning our friends or allowing this country of 170,000 square miles to become a staging area for further attacks against Americans.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1824791220080319?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Oh look. Old “McSame” has a statistically significant lead over both Democrats.

Yeah, I know Capn. But it does show how this Rev Wright thing has hurt Obama.

sursum: I think you’re assessment of the world attitudes about Americans is a bit over the top. Bush and his cadre yes, but not your country. Look at blogs all over the world, and you will seldom see a bad comment about Americans in general. Neocons are reviled though, recognized as having prostitued the Republican Party, Religion and generally thought to have stolen two elections.

outlander,

Why would you like for McCain to be your next president? I recall you being a Romney supporter, if I’m not mistaken.

there is video all over the internet and tv news clearly showing confused ol’ mccain spouting off about iran and aq.

liberman steps up and whispers in john boy’s ear.

mccain then changed what he said to the truth.

get your head out of bush’s ass and see the truth… for once.

“The United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace,”
So what the hell are we doing in Iraq? Why haven’t we found bin Laden and overthrown the Pakistani government? Why is the Taliban gaining ground again in Afganistan?
And Outlander…what do you mean McCain is head and shoulders above anything the democrats have left? You want another 4-8 years of Bush’s policies in the White House? Don’t you think our country has been f**ked up enough as it is?

The latest book on this topic is, “The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost Of The Iraq Conflict,” by Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes.

Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize in Economics.

The authors were interviewed on NPR the other day…it was pretty eye opening. I can’t remember when our country has been in such a mess…not even during the Vietnam era was it this bad. I’m really scared for our future and I’ve never felt that way before. It pretty disheartening.

Mary, McCain is his own man, despite the efforts of the left to portray him as “McSame”.

And I see absolutely nothing about the two Dem candidates that would make me think they could handle the country as well as McCain.

And with the 24-7 constant negativity you get from the press, no wonder folks have a low opinion of what is going on. I always take coverage it in with a grain of salt, especially opinions.

And just for fun, here we go from the opening paragraph of Chapter 5:

“Since the Iraq war began, oil prices have gone from about $25 a barrel at the outset to more than $90, and as this book goes to press, they are rising still higher. Americans have felt it at the gas pump and so has everyone else. Cooking fuel prices are higher in Indonesia and bus fares are more expensive in Ethiopia. But it does not stop there. Because of the knock-on secondary effects, higher oil prices affect almost every aspect of an economy. In oil-importing countries like the United States, higher oil prices lead to larger trade deficits and inflationary pressures. Central banks often respond to these pressures by raising interest rates. Since governments then have to spend more on importing oil and on interest payments on outstanding debt, it becomes harder to balance their budgets. Higher interest rates also lead to lower investment and consumer spending, declines in share prices, and a slowing of the economy.”

The chapter goes on to explore:

1. How much of the increase in the price of oil can be attributed to the war?

2. What have been the direct costs to the U.S. economy from these price increases?

3. What have been the secondary effects–the effects on the overall macroeconomy?

Here’s my question: when do those of us under age 45 actually get to retire? According to McCain, we have a lot more debt to pile up, so the money has to come from someplace.

Who pays? How much? How long?

Regular people are instructed to look at what they earn and pay their way accordingly.

Tea, anyone?

Bentley
Posted March 19, 2008 at 7:25 pm | Permalink
The latest book on this topic is, “The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost Of The Iraq Conflict,” by Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes.

Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize in Economics.

Bentley - It doesn’t matter what he won to the Bushbots. They have had every lie exposed, and still support our dictator, so they will probably find a link to a link to a link to a Democrat, and then say he is partisan!

Marching would be good for us physically and we may as well have a destination and a worth-while cause! I’m in!

All joking aside. I think it might come to a revolution. Especially if McCain is elected. I’m just hoping it can be peaceful.

The youth I speak to are more motivated and interested than I can remember (at least since the 60s). They see what the current bunch of adults have done to their future, their country and want to have greater participation in the decisions that affect them.

“Mary, McCain is his own man, despite the efforts of the left to portray him as “McSame”

Sorry Out, but watching him in the debates has only convinced me that he would just continue business as usual and not even address the real problems in this country.
I used to have a great respect for him and always thought that if he ran, I’d support him..but after listening to him these past few months, there is no way I can.

So many years of being the Maverick and simply because he supports the war in Iraq he is now McBush.

Talk about a one issue party.

If the Democrats didn’t have being against the war going for them, what would they have?

Nothing.

I suppose they could go back to scaring the old people with how the Republicans want to take their Social Security away.

“So many years of being the Maverick and simply because he supports the war in Iraq he is now McBush.”

Name just one of McBush’s current positions that differs materially from those of George W Bush.

Just one.

I think that response (which btw wasn’t a response) says a lot!

That would be John Sidney McCain, Republic Senator from Arizona.

Hmmm . . . good question, Clark.

I’d like to know that too, Nathank. If “Bush isn’t running, McCain is,” how is McCain different from Bush?

Nathan asks, “If the Democrats didn’t have being against the war going for them, what would they have?”

Eight years of growing the economy, improving middle class wages, reducing poverty, catching terrorists before they could carry out attacks on American soil.

Also, pushing for universal health care, protecting the environment, paying down the national debt instead of doubling it, protecting pensions and social security, promoting a “living wage”, improving education and demanding clean transparent government (instead of secret meetings in which the lobbyists and polluters write policy).

Other than that and stopping the war-without-end, you’re right, Nathan.

We got nothing.

:roll:

Nathan always disappears when confronted with facts…it’s his MO.

Nathan’s probably busy googling.