Nice line from an analysis by the Associated Press’ John Hanna about abortion politics in Kansas: “The Legislature’s annual hearings and votes on the issue have become the political equivalent of shows from touring companies for ‘Cats’ or ‘Oklahoma!’ However differently they’re staged, the ending remains the same — a veto by Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.†Anti-abortion activists are relentless about the need for more laws and enforcement, but as Hanna notes, the reviews are in and reflect well on their efforts: “In its 2008 assessment of states, Americans United for Life ranked Kansas as the fifth-best anti-abortion state in the nation. Meanwhile, NARAL Pro-Choice America’s latest report card gave Kansas a grade of D minus.â€
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A Stinking Fifth Place?
Heck no! We’ve got to be the Numero Uno! Ain’t that right, Troy and Cheryl?
At times, this issue has evoked operatic, symphonic-like absurdity – speaking from a strictly personal standpoint. As with so many other people who are human (excepting Fred Phelps and a handful of others including my impregnator), I believe I exude a maddening myriad of personal attributes and staggering failures.
And no other moral question has brought this home to me more than this one.
Why is that, one wonders? To find the answers, I’ve had to dig deep – not only through family dysfunction but through personal folly as well.
Given all this, I’m a little bleary-eyed with trying to follow these recent travails.
Nor do I always have a whole lotta patience with hard-liners on both sides. Call me an acid-assin, and I start to snarl. Call me a hypocrite, and the skin starts to crawl.
A recent DVD, “Unborn in the USA”, is telling in this regard. There’s a lotta questionable attitudes to be had – on both sides……….
And too few attestations from those of us who have actually been there. Now, I wonder why that is?????????????????????????????????????????
Kansas probably lost their top rating, when anti-abortion slogans painted on barns have slowly disappeared.
Perhaps when Wild West World re-opens into another type of theme park, they can add the “Tiller Smash and Grab” or “Political Enemy Paint Gun Shooting Gallery – perhaps “break the balloon booth with some sharp forceps chance game.”
I wonder if Tiller likes his breakfast chicken embryos with or without salted and cured porcine flesh? Side order of ground farm animal with some complimentary consultation citrus?
The Tiller House of the Sacred Womb appears to have been ‘bullet-proof’ so far from the attempts by his foes.
Perhaps a tattoo and body-piercings shop will open up nearby the Tiller Clinic, to complete both internal and external tissue altering?
Time for breakfast – my mind goes random when I’m hungry. :D
John Hanna frequently writes very anti-women items, the bias this supposed reporter has is astounding. Rhonda is starting to sound a whole lot like him.
From someone who’s been there, Thank God I never took the easy way out…the right road is always the hardest, but the easiest to live with afterward.
OK, you can start assailing me now, PM.
Like I said before, the big difference between you and me is I see the developing baby as a separate human being and you see it as a pregnancy, valued only accordingly to the whims of it’s owner.
I put a higher value on the life of the mother and all a crisis pregnancy entails for her, true.
But I wouldn’t say an abortion is the easy way out, nor would I say that it’s the wrong choice. Millions of women who’ve been there also agree with me on that.
I’ve made a lot of ‘right’ decisions, and the consequences aren’t always the way they should be.
It’s harder to put someone else before yourself…that’s usually the hardest thing to do, but it’s usually the right thing to do.
Somethings are worse than abortion, but to end someone’s life just because the timing or curcumstances aren’t right doesn’t seem right, it seems selfish.
Mary,
The problem is that you and I see this much differently than the Pro-Choice people do.
It is easier to end the life of the unborn when you don’t think it is anything more than a clump of cells, which is exactly what most of the Pro-Choice people think.
It is rare that you find someone who is Pro-Choice that will admit to thinking the unborn child is a human life, but that it doesn’t matter.
It is something people have done since the beginning of time.
If you can turn someone into something which is not considered a human life worthy of protecting it is much easier to kill that person.
Selfishness seems to be the rule now days..I think that’s one big reason why our country is over run with problems. Selfishness in business, politics, religion, and people’s personal lives. The golden rule isn’t really taken to heart anymore. Things would be better if we truly treated others the way we want others to treat us.
Anyway, on that note, I’ve got to get to work. See y’all.
True Nathan..that’s why we have such heartache in this world, it worked for the Nazis and it works for us, too.
Actually Nathan, I’m pro-choice and I think the fetus is a viable human being in early stages.
Contradictory and hypocritical? You bet.
However, I’m not the one who will have to answer to God for fetus-cide.
I look at this way. There’s really not much I can do to change the law, as witnessed by recent attempts and it is the law, I have to render under Caesar and all of that.
I prefer to think Humans that happen to be Christians as Ministering spirits, much like the Angels. I can provide counsel or my own view, however, I don’t think I should exert my energies in a ideological scheme that would be interpreted as hate towards another.
That’s what happens you know….
I guess I’m really Pro Life in the Lord, but Pro-Choice under Caesar’s law. Hard to tip-toe on that tightrope, but I think my position to speak out on the matter in terms of compassionate understanding is better than condemning those who have lost their way in the throngs of human secularism or those lost in the ways of condemnation and seeking solutions by noisy and pesky legal maneuvers.
The latter will always be responded to with hate, contempt and confusion.
I cannot help anyone spiritually if I turn them away with my anger and condemnation.
I prefer to leave my heart and mind open, in hopes that they will see their solution to their temporary problem was a mistake. The individual woman has to realize that, I can’t make them.
I think a fetus is a human life. But as long as it is inside the woman it is still living off of her body, and it affects every cell of the woman.
I think it’sa lot easier to say that abortion is wrong, but that would deny just how very complex the whole thing is. Was it selfish for Andrea Yates to continue her pregnancy? Look at the devastation that led to. That’s what I mean by the right thing isn’t always right and has consequences.
You’re messing with a big huge mental issue as well, it can RUIN a woman’s life to have a child. There is no question about that. It’s not selfishness, it’s self preservation.
There are a whole group of people (neocons mostly) who think that it doesn’t matter what happens to people they should just do whatever they deem to be the right choice. The right choice isn’t always so black and white.
There are girls out there hiding their pregnancies right now, no prenatal care (thanks to the demonization by the right), who will dump their babies…they’re panicked. Not evil. And they will likely ruin their lives in jail. Abortion would be the right choice for them if they felt safe enough to do it.
There are women out there right now who are barely squeaking by, and they’ll have babies born with disabilities that will put them on the streets and drive them to suicide.
I would agree that both sides, in this debate, are responsible for the stalemate.
Some, on both sides, seem to WANT stalemate.
Look at it this way: Kansas might be one of the best states for a Prolife politician to run for legislative office. Still, with a string of pro-choice governors, from BOTH parties, we do not pass very much in the way of legislation, on the issue.
The last time we changed our laws in Kansas was under Democrat Governor Joan Finney.
She was blasted by BOTH sides, remember?
However, Tiller is currently in trouble for violating the law that JOAN FINNEY supported.
(The very law that the radicals, on the prolife side, complained about at the time Finney signed it into law!)
The prolife radicals are a very big reason why our laws, in Kansas, are less restrictive than the laws in New York.
“No Compromise” means “No Restrictions” —
A Human Life Amendment will not happen. It is the
“Holy Grail” to the radicals, the litmus test they require of every candidate.
The public would support such a measure if it included some exceptions. However, it is the prolife radicals that will not allow exceptions.
My prolife friends: there is NOTHING immoral about recognizing political reality.
All law must have public support, or the law becomes unenforceable.
Phil Kline tried to enforce Kansas Law. You support Phil Kline, right?
Then why were you so hard on the Woman most responsible for the law that Phil Kline tried to support?
pmom and mary
I have nothing but compassion, sympathy and prayers for those women in tough situations.
I judge no one.
I simply think the laws should be more restrictive.
My, oh my – still a lil’ bleary-eyed…however…
Regular: I would just gently point out the following: Only one person could have deterred me from abortion so long ago – and it didn’t wear a skirt. Pregnancies are created jointly – except for those nasty occurrences where someone forces it upon the woman (as in rape). I was no more given to promiscuity than the average female; it’s not like I had a protracted history of self-indulgent excess or anything like that…..
Okay, so it wasn’t REALLY a man, but in my youthful idiocy and/or hormonal hazings, it sure SEEMED like a man.
My point (regarding ONLY my situation) is this: The adults needed to behave like adults (i.e., parents), extricate me from the teeming neuroses pervading my life (including my own), and encourage, if not enforce, my gifting a worthy couple with the gift of life. An unemployed, vastly ill teenager can’t do this by herself. I sure couldn’t – so who am I to judge others? My point is this: I should have done so. My physical health was excellent back then; I never got sick – not even a cold. I had very little morning sickness; pregnancy hormones forced me to eat – and put on those pounds I had lost due to emotional anguish.
There is a very funny scene in the movie “Borat”. A very funny scene in which the protagonist excuses himself to the men’s room and returns with a very glaring reminder that modern toiletry and/or plumbing isn’t something he’s used to.
When Borat flings his (poop) in public, it’s funny. When a young person wastes years and years of her young life in needless (and ill-advised) longing – indeed, foists her (poop) upon others, it’s idiocy.
Perhaps that’s why I have no emotional energy to go gunnin’ after Dr. Tiller, whom I have met in a public setting. Perhaps that’s why I’m not setting Mr. Caruso up as a paragon, but merely respecting her life and her circumstances. Maybe that’s why I’m not goin’ after Political_Mama, because she makes valid points about neglect and suicide.
Where do the twain meet in all this? By practicing responsible and respectful sexuality, in my opinion. By respecting EVERYONE – including pregnant women and the anguish they face. By reminding ourselves that lots of us make idiotic judgments in our youth. That’s unpleasant enough to handle – let’s not up the ante with irrational vitriol.
When the anti-choice folks begin to ACTIVELY support comprehensive sex education, the expansion of SCHIP and the availability of birth control, then perhaps we can begin talking about abortion on demand.
Not until.
It is beyond ironic that the ones most opposed to abortion are those who are also against sex ed, SCHIP and the availability of birth control.
(Mary Caruso excluded from the above comment – she does support the above.)
The goal should be to make abortion safe, legal and rare, but the anti-choice folks only seem to focus on the last agenda item.
Bleeding Kansas all over again. At the center of the controversary and both sides willing to beat the other bloody – until victory.
Unfortunately, it has become of such importance, that in order to run for the state legislature as a republican, you must pass the anti-abortion litmus test. It seems nothing else matters; you may be weak on taxes and spending, but just forget about it if you are open minded on this issue. Radically anti-abortion, to no other end.
The radicals have stolen the party, and placed the anti-abortion flag as their flagship banner on their political wagon.
Unfortunately, there are conservatives who are rational, compassionate, and new-age, who do not see the abortion issue as paramount to our society. They better look-out: they will get run over by the wagon.
Saddly, as the republicans become more the party of God, they are loosing more and more people from the bandwagon.
There needs to be another political party.
Regular,
You are no better than the typical liberal when you start talking about how my stance on being Pro-Life is an ideology of hate and one of condemnation.
You might not have meant that, or maybe you did, but it sure came out that way when the way you said what you did.
I too am a Christian. However, there is nothing about being a Christian which requires us to turn a blind eye to such obvious wrong doing in the mere attempt to not look bad in front of the wrong doers you are hoping to persuade to come to Christ.
Even Christ got upset at those who were in the Temple doing what he seen as an obvious wrong.
Christ routinely corrected those who misquoted the scriptures and corrected his disciples as well.
Being a Christian is a balance of helping others while teaching them what is right as well.
You are not accomplishing much when you completely turn aside some of the most basic tenants of being a Christian in your efforts to look better to the world.
We were not called as Christians to look good by the worlds standards. It is God’s standards we should be trying to look good on.
I accept “Ceaser’s Laws.” Doesn’t mean I can’t fight to change them through reasonable participation in the political process.
Take everything you just said about killing the unborn child and substitute it for killing a 5 year old child. Do you still agree with what you said? If you do, then you have some serious issues.
Sam Brownback has stated that he does not believe that there should be an exception to ban on abortion for cases of rape, arguing that it “is not the baby’s fault that he/she was conceived by rape.”
Other anti-choice folks, all men of course, have stated that they do not believe that a woman can be impregnated by rape.
Yes, rape factors into just a small portion of abortions, but the Brownback statement does highlight the positions of the anti-choice movement.
Mary – you and I are not really very far apart on this. That is why I give to Catholic Charities and Gerard House. I think the more we support alternatives the more we can reduce demand. I also have other ‘liberal’ approaches involving health care etc that also, IMO, would reduce demand.
Going out on a limb here, but I don’t think Christ carried an anti-abortion flag. No more than he carred a flag against murder, rape, public executions, slavery,
I think Christ got mad in the temple, because of what people were doing in his Fathers house – not because the government sanctioned gambling.
Christ came that man could be forgiven and find a way back to God. He didn’t come to condemn or establish the religious right political party.
WS Clark,
What “anti-choice,” or as those who are more reasonable in a discussion would say “Pro-Life,”
people have made the claim that they do not believe a woman can get pregnant from rape????
American Way,
And no where did I claim that Christ came to establish a political party.
My point was that trying to look good in the world as a Christian shouldn’t be your goal.
We should set a good example and you don’t set good examples by trying to look good and blend in.
This whole grand jury is why we on the pro-choice side refuse to compromise when it comes to laws written to hinder a woman’s right to choose, even when cloaked in good meaning. It’s like Alexa’s law, who last year the lawmakers SWORE up and down this would not affect women’s choices, but rather, allow punishment for anyone who interfered with that choice as murder is the number 1 cause of pregnant women’s deaths.
It sounded good, right? We knew better. other states have shown that these laws get twisted to rule what the woman does with her own body. And this year, true to form, the lawmakers who made those assertions are trying to pass more laws to go after the women who, gasp, smoke, eat too many cheeseburgers, or raise their arms above their heads while pregnant. The fetus is more important than the woman and pray she be punished for not avoiding foam in seat cushions that might have chemicals that will harm the baby.
AmWay
If you do not think that Dr. Tiller completely corrupted politics, in Kansas, prior to the prolife movement pushing him back — well, then you just have not been paying attention.
Also, it was the Supreme Court that elevated this issue.
It should have been left to the states.
“What “anti-choice,” or as those who are more reasonable in a discussion would say “Pro-Life,””
The anti-choice folks say “pro-abortion” so I say anti-choice – you can’t have it both ways, Price.
As for what anti-choicers said that women can’t get pregnant via rape – there have been several Senators and Representatives that have used the same or similar language.
One, infamously said that women can’t get pregnant because “the juices don’t flow.”
If my memory serves, he was a Senator from the South.
Republican, naturally.
By the way, I could not fail to notice that you did not condemn Brownback’s statement.
“We were not called as Christians to look good by the worlds standards. It is God’s standards we should be trying to look good on.”
you mean your gods standards as you see them ?
You shouldn’t label someone a “lib” because they disagree with you on abortion.
Speak the Word of God so that all have a chance to hear it. It’s not up to me that they accept it.
You can be a good example without being perfect and without carrying a bible into the legislature.
American Way,
I never said that you had to be perfect or carry a bible into legislature.
I also never said someone was merely a lib for being in disagreement with me on abortion either.
Are you purposefully beating down these strawmen, doing it on accident, or out of ignorance?
Smedley Butler,
So which person are you hiding behind this nic?
“Also, it was the Supreme Court that elevated this issue.
It should have been left to the states.
”
I bet you also believe slavery should have been left for states to decide. A woman’s right to her own decisions and own body is a FUNDAMENTAL women’s right. Not based on a vote.
Jesus Christ was a radical liberal…………..
“What ever you do unto the least of these, you do also unto me…………………..”
And, yes, Price, I know MANY more verses – I just consider this to be one of the most important.
Nathan, I think at a “meet up” Capn America will be snickering when you say hello Smedley Butler.
It’s one someone developed because they know you are one of the few, the proud……and part of the finest fighting force the world has ever known.
WS Clark,
Which Senator said it and what was the quote?
Was he the only one? Becuase that is hardly enough to indict the Pro-Life movement with some obviously ignorant comment.
Didn’t stop you though.
Where in this conversation has anyone use the term Pro-abortion?
I always use the term Pro-Choice except for when making a point about the stupidity of your side constantly using anti-choice. And even then, I wouldn’t use pro-abortion I would call you pro-murder or baby killer.
Either way, no one used anything like that in this discussion except for you with calling us anti-choice.
“I bet you also believe slavery should have been left for states to decide.”
Amen. The Civil War was fought over slavery as being a “States Right” issue.
The only reason the anti-choice folks want it to be a State’s issue is because they would find it easier to push through anti-choice legislation at the state level.
The Right is all for State’s rights, except when they are not.
“I would call you pro-murder or baby killer.”
Well thanks, Price, that certainly elevates the discourse.
Hypocrite much?
WS Clark,
First of all, the terms liberal and conservative, as used in political discussion today would have no meaning during Christ’s time as they do now.
So how on earth do you think Christ was a radical liberal?
And you probably wouldn’t see the irony of quoting that verse when you advocate the death of the unborn child.
I suppose Christ wasn’t talking about them being the least of these…
WS Clark,
Onec again, you obviously can’t read or understand anything.
Did you even bother to see the sentence just before what you are now using to call me a Hypocrite????
Here it is:
“I always use the term Pro-Choice except for when making a point about the stupidity of your side constantly using anti-choice.”
For goodness sake man, if you wan’t to try to have a discussion on a blog, learn to read first.
“And you probably wouldn’t see the irony of quoting that verse when you advocate the death of the unborn child.”
I don’t “advocate” the death of an unborn child. I do not consider it to be MY business to tell anyone else how to live – unlike you.
Personally, I am opposed to abortion for me and mine and none of us have had to make that decision.
But it is not a decision that is mine to make.
“So how on earth do you think Christ was a radical liberal?”
Easy – I have read His words, as told by His followers.
“I always use the term Pro-Choice except for when making a point about the stupidity of your side constantly using anti-choice. And even then, I wouldn’t use pro-abortion I would call you pro-murder or baby killer.”
So, WHAT part of that last sentence is subject to interpretation, Price?
“For goodness sake man, if you wan’t to try to have a discussion on a blog, learn to read first.”
Feel free to go to Hell, Price.
WS Clark,
I see it as my business to “tell other people how ot live” when it comes to them killing their husband or wife or children too.
Don’t you?
The issue has nothing to do with interfereing in others peoples lives anymore than when we do in all the multitude of other things which are obviously wrong.
Ok… so you read Christ’s words and listen to his followers. How does that make Christ a radical liberal?
WS Clark,
And then you think you could beat me at playing the dozens???
With your wit being as sharp (or dull) as it is, I could sit there going DE DE DE like Carlos Mencia impersonating a Retard and beat you.
Which is the most important commandment?
Why not add gambling, war, state death penalties, and a dozen other sins to the platform?
When you tie a Christian ribbon around a political party, there are going to be plenty of other sinful things for opponents to challenge you on – and be correct. It is as old as Christianity itself. When one member falls, the whole gang gets condemned and called hypocrite.
Stand tall as a leader and a member of your church. But the republican party is lost if they keep trying to carry this torch.
“And then you think you could beat me at playing the dozens???”
I could beat you at the Dozens even after smoking a fatty and drinking a half dozen beers, Price.
You are a one trick pony.
American Way,
The Republican Party isn’t carrying around any Christian torch.
The liberals and left wing are the ones who constantly try to associate the Republican Party with being tied to fundamentalist Christians.
It is true, more fundamentalist Christians are Republicans.
However, the party is hardly the standard bearer for Christianity nor Fundamentalist Christians.
When you look at the numbers, I believe Christians vote pretty evenly between the two parties.
On top of that, there are just as many left-wing Christian groups which support the Democrats.
It just isn’t in the liberal medias interest in highlighting that, those pesky fundamentalist Christians make for a much better target and scapegoat.
Guns, God and babies. Anything else get neo-cons in more of an uproar?
WS Clark,
The only think you have demonstrated to date, is your ability to be vulgar and swear.
If you think cursing at someone over and over again isn’t being a one trick pony then what is?
What would you do? Sit there muttering the F word over and over again?
Unlike you, I am able to have an intelligent conversation and make witty comments without having to resort to your second grade level of vulgarity like I just learned a new curse word and have to use it over and over again.
And Price? You go to your bookmarks, right click on opening the Googles in a new tab, type in “the juices don’t flow” and open the first result.
“A woman being rape doesn’t have anything to worry about, at least in terms of an unwanted pregnancy — the “juices don’t flow” according to State Representative Henry Aldridge during a meeting of the House Appropriations Committee in Raleigh.”
Sorry, it wasn’t a Southern Senator – it was just another idiot in the NC State Lege.
http://www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0520.htm
Read the whole article – there’s more idiocy.
Nathan considers himself to be the kinds of man God would be if God would simply try.
“What would you do? Sit there muttering the F word over and over again?”
Actually, I rarely use the F Bomb in conversation. Actually, I rarely swear in conversation, and then it is usually “god damn” or “bullshit.”
“and make witty comments”
The next witty comment you make, Price, will be your first.
Nathan, I can tell you that to run for the Kansas State Legislature, and make it past the interview process with the county republican representatives -you better answer this question correcty:
“Are you against abortion?”
That demonstrates, to me, that the party has been taken over by fundamentalist on the Christian Right.
Meanwhile, conservatives have no party which supports cuts in federal spending, cuts in taxes, cuts in government programs, and a whole host of other conservative ideas.
All that seems to matter: “Are you against abortion?”
Think about WHY Brownback even makes such statements. He knows he has to tow the line.
There is no conservative party. There is only an anti-abortion party.
“And this year, true to form, the lawmakers who made those assertions are trying to pass more laws to go after the women who, gasp, smoke, eat too many cheeseburgers, or raise their arms above their heads while pregnant. The fetus is more important than the woman and pray she be punished for not avoiding foam in seat cushions that might have chemicals that will harm the baby.”
Pmom can you tell me more about this law that is in the process of being passed? Sounds like a strawman argument to me.
“It is beyond ironic that the ones most opposed to abortion are those who are also against sex ed, SCHIP and the availability of birth control.”
WS I have always advocated sex ed if it is taught right. Demonstrating how to put a condom on a banana is admirable as long as you let the kids know that while protecting you from pregnancy – not 100% – it gives you little or no protection from STDs. The SCHIPS argument in Kansas is a non-issue. HEALTHWAVES is alive and well in Kansas. Coming from an insurance background I can assure that I knew of Boeing employees who had kids on this program. As for birth control I am firmly behind this. I used it and would encourage every woman who does not want to be pregnant to use it. I just simply don’t believe that abortion is a form of birth control.
I go back to the Roe V Wade ruling and know why so many pro-choice advocates are afraid it will be overturned. It is the same argument Tiller is putting forth today. It was never a matter of privacy which was the case settled by the supremes. It isn’t a matter of privacy with Tiller. Redacted personal info isn’t given out. Let the law work or is your faith in it so slim that you smell defeat.
If Tiller broke the law just as Schneider is now, let him face the music.
“Let the law work or is your faith in it so slim that you smell defeat.”
Nonsense – Tiller is being targeted by those that want to make ALL abortions illegal. They have no proof that Tiller has violated any law. They are merely on a witch hunt.
To turn your words, the Tiller Grand Jury issues have been turned over to the State Supreme Court – are you willing to accept their decision?
WSClark
Posted March 3, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink
“What would you do? Sit there muttering the F word over and over again?”
Actually, I rarely use the F Bomb in conversation. Actually, I rarely swear in conversation, and then it is usually “god damn” or “bullshit.”
LOL
Were you being trolled last week when almost every night you were saying “F you price?”
“it gives you little or no protection from STDs.”
Other than abstinence, condoms are the BEST protection from STD’s, and one of the best choices of birth control to prevent pregnancy.
Except for me, I have a twenty one year old that is a product of a high speed blow out.
“Were you being trolled last week when almost every night you were saying “F you price?””
Read much, Price?
In conversation…………………………….
WS Clark,
Then what was the point in posting that in response to my comment about what you would be saying in a game of the dozens then?
Think much before you type something, WS Clark?
WS
I would agree with you, in part.
However, the “least” of my brothers and sisters, today, happen to still be in the womb.
No surprise here, Republicans support a bigger, more intrusive government. They’ll be more than happy to give subsidies for companies to produce drugs like Accutane but restrict access to abortion to deal with the effects of the drug.
“Think much before you type something, WS Clark?”
I wouldn’t need to swear to kick your miserable behind in Dozens, Price. My vocabulary is quite extensive and my wit is extremely quick. You would be on the losing end before the first round.
“However, the “least” of my brothers and sisters, today, happen to still be in the womb.”
Then support comprehensive sex ed – not abstinence only and the availability of birth control.
Wasn’t it the Republicans that wanted (LD medicine) and not birth control to be covered by Medicaid?
Doug,
Restricitin abortion in an attempt to save the unborn child is not even close to being as intrusive as a government ran and mandated health care system.
Talk about government intrusion!
Funny thing how the rates of abortion are lower in the more secular, godless countries and higher in the religious countries. If you want to reduce the number of abortion then reduce the amount of religion. Yet for some reason the anti-abortion terrorist groups are always religious. I suppose actually stopping abortion would reduce their paychecks.
Actually, the abortion issue is like the abortion issue.
But the Liberal Press would rather elevate the right to abortion up to the level of the Bill of Rights.
As for the real Bill of Rights, the liberal press would just as soon burn it. Things like the Right to Bear Arms, and Equal Protection Under the Law, and the Protection of Private Property from Public Condemnation for Private Use – and the Redistribution of Wealth, all take a back seat to Abortion.
Fusion Power Generation could be perfected and the Lib Press would have that on page B10. (And the Environmentalist Global Warming Nuts would have a big problem with cheap, clean, Fusion power)
Abortion, Welfare, Socialism, Gun Control, Sex Scandals, Pervert News, Higher Taxes, Bigger Government programs are always on page 1. Tabloid Journalism.
And the Conservatives need to quit following the agenda of the Lib Press, or they will be on Defense forever.
Screw the press, nobody reads news rags anymore anyway. They need Blogs to generate readership and revenue, because they can’t write anything interesting on their own.
Abortion is like Opera? Who the hell watches Opera?
WS Clark,
Well, lets see some more of this extensive and extremely quick wit of yours around the blog, instead of your typical vulgarity and name calling.
Thank you Dr. Nathan for another ignorant statement. How nice of you to determine who should get medical treatment and what sort of treatment they should get.
Doug,
I suppose asking you if you understood the difference in causation and correlation would be too much?
“Pervert News”
Foley. Haggard. Craig. Burton. Hyde. Chenoweth. Gingrich.
The list goes on and on and on.
Doug,
No. It is you who would like to dictate who should get medical treatment and what treatment that should be.
Not me.
Nathan, your stupidity knows no bounds. You have stated that no woman should get an abortion, I say a patient and the doctor should decide yet you conclude your stupid conclusion. You are beyond ignorant. It’s amazing you are able to dress yourself in the morning.
O.K. boys and girls. Go to your seats.
Mr. Nathan has an opinion on this subject which is different than most of yours – so gang up and beat him up? Call him names?
Stop it! Or else you will be left with no one right to argue with. (get it)
Grow up and respect others opinions (even if they are wrong).
The Libs get vile and nasty when they don’t get the welfare they want.
When Big Brother Government doesn’t allow them to steal from others, they act like their rights have been violated.
Funny, I get mad when my stuff gets stolen.
Libs get mad when they can’t steal stuff.
They need us. We don’t need them.
Doug,
I have NEVER said that no woman should get an abortion.
Damn Max! That is the word “opera”? I thought it was short for “operation”.
An opera is a hill billy dance.
It comes in three sizes, I think.
Small
Medium
and Grandiose (or Grand old later Grand Ole)
Maybe they meant Oprah.
No Nathan, you said that women who get abortions are murdering children. What do you do with murderers Nathan? You’d have every woman executed for having an abortion. That’s your religious way of dealing with things (also your religious would have them executed for getting raped but I don’t expect you to actually know anything about your religion you ignorant twit).
Is it your absolute incompetence that gets you to forget something you posted a minute ago or is it the dishonest nature of your fundamentalist ideology that allows you to lie so easily?
Actually, the Supreme Court was very much responsible for the Civil War.
It was the Supreme Court that did not respect “States Rights” or the 10th Amendment, but not in the way many would have you think!
The Dred Scott decision and the various “Fugitive Slave Acts” actually attacked the rights of “Free Soil” or anti-slavery states.
Slavery was, indeed, a terrible thing.
It was the pro-slavery people who FIRST ignored the 10th Amendment and “States Rights”.
Doug,
You could probably have a better conversation with yourself in notepad if all you are going to do is make up strawman arguments to beat down.
I would not execute women for having an abortion.
I have not called all women who get an abortion murderers either.
Liberal Theme Song: Money for Nothin
Money for nothin and your abortions for free
Money for nothin and healthcare for free
Money for nothin and _____________________
Guns, God and babies. Anything else get neo-cons in more of an uproar?
-Clark
Add to that:
Economic Freedom
Strong National Defense
Maintaining a Law Abiding society
Equal Human rights for all People
Private Property
Religious Freedom
Ksgrm there is a law being proposed that will expand the Alexa’s law (UVVA, unborn victims of violence act) to the mother who carries the child and participates in behavior dangerous to the fetus. Look it up.
rfl,
You forgot gays.
Abortion is like an opera afterall.
Sing it now everybody!
Money for nothin and your abortions for free
Money for nothin and your abortions for free
Money for nothin and your abortions for free