One reason Missouri is watched so keenly in presidential election years is because it has picked the winner in every election in the past century but one (1956, when it didn’t like Ike as much as Adlai Stevenson). Not so Kansas, where voters’ Republican leanings have put the state in the losers’ circle on election night seven times since 1900 (most recently when it went with favorite son Bob Dole in 1996). With winner Barack Obama driving huge turnout in the Feb. 5 Kansas caucuses and long shot Mike Huckabee sweeping the state in the Feb. 9 GOP caucuses, there suddenly is some suspense as to which color Kansas will be, red or blue, on the TV maps on Nov. 4. Or is there?
The six other times since 1900 when Kansas preferred to be Republican rather than right, by the way: 1992, 1976, 1960, 1948, 1944 and 1940.
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Ever read the book, What’s the matter with Kansas?
And it is really odd to be that way, considering both parties have changed quite a bit in the meantime. Ike would probably be a democrat today.
Perhaps we’ve got too many whacked far right religions in this state, or perhaps we’ve got too many old people who are just stuck in their party.
I don’t know what it is but Kansans need to pull their heads out.
Perhaps we have too many wannabe Hollyfornians and there is absolutely nothing wrong with Kansas. But, you know, whiners will whine.
“Middle School flunky”? I teach in a middle school because I CHOOSE to do so. At least I have a JOB, and one that makes a difference in our society to boot.
I don’t think you, especially YOU, should be casting stones about “living on the taxpayers dime”. What about the government checks you claim to receive for your alleged service disability?
Talk about getting “handouts”……………..at least I work for my “government” check. James McCluer hates our community and the schools for the children.
Let’s get the meltdown started early today McCluer.
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Look at this!!! Man is there a corrupt 3rd. World Element to the Clinton campaign. As if we didn’t already know that as fact.
Link: http://www.nypost.com/seven/02162008/news/regionalnews/obama_robbed_in_ny_97932.htm
Link: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080216/D8URLU1O0.html
Link: http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/16/top-clinton-adviser-says-superdelegates-will-d
The editorial board has definitely shown its bias…with a quote above:
The six other times since 1900 when Kansas preferred to be Republican rather than right,…”
In other words, according to the Eagle, anyone that votes Republican is “wrong”. So much for editorial integrity in a newspaper?
If the liberal Eagle wasn’t as such they wouldn’t be asking these questions. We are paying the price now of a democratic governor, not good. The state has done well in sprite of Kathy.
Right know Kansas is “Black and Blue” from being beaten and bruised. I am hoping we end up back to a “True Color State” in reflextion to the rest of the United States of America on Nov 4th. I am tired of walking around looking like I got my butt kicked. Herbert West III, http://www.wen2k.com west.herb@yahoo.com
The simple answer to that question is that Ksnsas will probably remain red. Too many people here automatically vote for the name with the “R” after it unless something has really happened to irritate them. If Bush were running again, it might be different. Hell, it would probably be different if Huckabee were the nominee, but he won’t be. Truly traditional Kansas Republicans (economically moderate, socially conservative but not Christian Right) can easily vote for McCain against either Obama and especially Clinton, and the CR folks aren’t going anywhere (some might stay home in protest, but I don’t think it will be that many, they will have time to wrap their heads around McCain as the candidate).
“‘The six other times since 1900 when Kansas preferred to be Republican rather than right,…’”
“In other words, according to the Eagle, anyone that votes Republican is ‘wrong’. So much for editorial integrity in a newspaper?”
Taz, you get an F in reading comprehension.
“One reason Missouri is watched so keenly in presidential election years is because it has picked the winner in every election in the past century but one (1956, when it didn’t like Ike as much as Adlai Stevenson). Not so Kansas, where voters’ Republican leanings have put the state in the losers’ circle on election night seven times since 1900″
The term “right” in this case means going for the winner of the election, not the Democrat. By the Eagle’s standards, Kansas voted “right” in 2000 and 2004. If the Democrat wins the 2008 election, Kansas will probably be “wrong”, but it will be because of who won.
Well Kansas voted for the “winner” in the last election,and we know how wrong that guy turned out to be.
Democrats are divided by Age, Race, and Sex. Not divided by important things like how Obama/Clinton have voted on The Issues.
That’s a big bigoted party: Bigotcrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/us/politics/07dems.html
The differing views of the Obama campaign’s trajectory are only one way in which this race has cleaved the party neatly in two: the Clinton Democrats and the Obama Democrats. Age, race and gender have become the dividing lines; nothing comes close to mattering as much.
The Democrats are all about Race, Sex, and Discrimination and Dividing America:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/05/politics/main3795497.shtml
Blacks turn out heavily for Obama
Latinos heavily support Clinton
Obama Energizes Young Voters
The Elderly Support Clinton
White Women Back Clinton
Kansas will be red, with leanings to purple.
Our six electoral votes are a flicker on the radar screen. But, if other red midwestern states follow suite, together we add up to a hill of beans.
More wishful thinking from the Leftist eagle.
Kansans know the one thing this goverment must do is protect us enemies, foreign and domestic.
The democrat party has shown over and over it cannot and will not do it.
That’s a switch Boxlock, a white woman robbing a black man in New York! Not surprised that Hillary rigged the NY elections.
Can she rig the OH and TX elections? That’s the big question.
When Hillary tries to pull in the MI and FL delegates that by party rules, are not going to be counted, look out! The fur will fly!
You KNOW she will do ANYTHING, break any rules, break any laws, to get elected. (Norman Hsu, etc…)
And the sheep Democrats will pull that left lever no matter who the nominee is.
Baaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa
With no excitement for the presidental vote (I’ll vote NONE OF THE ABOVE on that one), and Kansas only providing 1.12% of the 538 electorals, there are other reasons to go to the voting booth this November:
Congressional District 6 – Democrat Jerry Moran
Congressional District 2 – Democrat Nancy Boyda (see ya!)
Congressional District 3 – Democrat Dennis Moore
Congressional District 4 – Republican Tod Tiahrt
Senator Republican Pat Roberts
Senator Republican Sam Brownback (see ya!)
And don’t forget the state legislature!
(primary 5 August)
The Red’s will show up at the polls in force.
Here’s what I was expecting – Hillary is going to make sure those Superdelegates select the nominee NO MATTER WHAT THE VOTERS DECIDE!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-campaign_feb17,0,6052613.story
Delegate fight gets bitter in Wisconsin
MILWAUKEE – Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton on Saturday defended the independent role of top party insiders to determine a nominee and said she was prepared to go the distance as her campaign predicted the race with rival Barack Obama will go to this summer’s national convention.
But Obama’s campaign accused Clinton of trying to persuade convention superdelegates to disregard the will of voters and of attempting to seat disputed delegations from Michigan and Florida, two states that Clinton won and that have been stripped of their delegates by the national Democratic Party for advancing their primary dates.
And here’s Hillary trying to get the Michigan delegates counted her way:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080217/NEWS15/802170638/1009/NEWS07
Mich. delegates may get seats, though it’s unclear how
Second Dem vote not likely for state
WASHINGTON — Pretty much everyone expects some or all of Michigan’s delegates to be seated at this summer’s Democratic presidential nominating convention in Denver.
Dismissed as a meaningless beauty pageant and ignored for campaigning by all the top Democrats, Michigan’s Jan. 15 primary seems to be gaining influence because one of those Democrats, Hillary Clinton, didn’t take her name off the Democratic ballot and, consequently, easily won the uncontested race.
Now, from political pundits to the candidates themselves, everyone is talking about Michigan — and Florida — as a razor-thin margin separates Clinton and Barack Obama.
Like Florida, Michigan was stripped of its 128 regular and 28 super delegates to the nominating convention because it held an early primary in violation of national party rules.
And here’s Hillary cheating in Florida! The cheating bitch will do ANYTHING to get elected.
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=7883260&nav=menu25_2
Clinton aide calls for seating Michigan, Florida delegates
Associated Press – February 16, 2008 6:24 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AP) – A Democratic Party member says the Democratic National Committee should reconsider stripping delegates from Michigan and Florida for holding early primaries.
Harold Ickes has said in a conference call today that millions of voters in the two states would be disenfranchised.
The adviser to New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign later acknowledged that he voted for the sanctions.
Clinton won the primary vote in Michigan and Florida, and now wants those votes to count.
The delegate count stands today at 1,280 for Illinois Senator Barack Obama and 1,218 for Clinton.
Clinton would be ahead if the national party were to award her the winner’s share of the 313 Florida and Michigan delegates.
When people in kansas vote out the mossbacks like neufeld, huelskamp, morris, ostmeyer, etc…
THEN we’ll know what color kansas is.
Until then? Color us stupid.
Ya know, urban legislators outnumber rural right now. If BOTH parties were not slaves to seniority, the changing of the guard could happen a lot quicker.
I mean, McKinney and Phelps? Morris and Neufeld?
In what universe do THEY represent a real and progressive Kansas?
They preserve the old big ag economic system. The new economy? Eh, not so much.
I guess as long as Kansans keep using the church voting guides, fear, superstition and ignorance will rule.
What color are THOSE traits?
I’d say yellow. It is easier to fear and villify the future than to accept reality.
Hey Max, we’ve said all along that Billary will steal the election. As events move forward, the facts are revealing the prediction to be true.
But don’t worry. Be happy.
It’s like watching the bitches on TV shows. Popular TV makes for popular Presidents.
I wish more people watched 24.
Kansas just votes one way, so they’re right about half the time.
Ksagnostic…you are right, I read it wrong. My error. Oh well…should never read these things before imbibing sufficient amounts of coffee.
If I hear Hillary say one more time, “I’m not running because……….. this is very personal to me……” I think I’m gonna puke.
Obama wins:
RNC runs advertising, in Florida, and in Michigan, about how Republicans “counted every vote” and how Democrats ignored their wishes.
Clinton wins:
RNC runs advertising, nationwide, about how Hillary stole the election, with the help of White racists in the Democrat Party.
The Democrat Nominee will be “SELECTED” not “ELECTED” — this is priceless!
Econ can I say, “stolen”?
What color will Kansas be on Nov. 4?
It’s old predictable red of course.
Kansas is a lost cause to anything resembling rational thought. If there is a bright center to the universe Kansas is the place it farthest from.
Kudlow is right, at least, that McCain has a very, very good shot at winning in November:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTg3Njc5OWFjYzMyNjUyNjBlMWMwNmJiOGIwYTk1YTc=
I am not as confident as Kudlow, but I do admit that McCain has that rare quality, the ability to make me admire him, even as he irritates me to death.
If the Democrats win, the Republicans in Congress will hold more than enough seats to stop anything really stupid.
I still think it is entirely possible for the Dems to win the White House as the Republicans take back at least one house of Congress. Tough with all of the Retirements?
Maybe not, if it is really the “change” election.
“Change”?
With 2 Senators from Washington running against each other?
J R
Posted February 17, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink
What color will Kansas be on Nov. 4?
It’s old predictable red of course.
Kansas is a lost cause to anything resembling rational thought. If there is a bright center to the universe Kansas is the place it farthest from.
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Yet the resident idiot stays here anyway.
“Stolen” is the proper word, no matter who wins.
The Democrat Party came up with “Super Delegates” as a response to the Rev. Jessie Jackson’s insistence on “proportional” Delegates from each State primary or Caucus.
The “Super Delegates” are the “wise men/women” of the Party, who are supposed to tell the rabble that they are wrong, when populism runs up against reality.
Those Super Delegates must now decide how to handle FLORIDA, a SWING State, a State that liberals have claimed should have gone to Al Gore, (except the LAW got in the way, of course!)
A “revote” won’t do.
In every single State, that has voted so far, the results would be far different, in BOTH parties, if the vote were held, again.
The Republicans penalized “early” states by HALF of their delegates.
The Democrats, “big stick” control freaks that they are, went for the “nuclear” ZERO Delegate penalty.
I suggest that the “floor fight” will be to allow, perhaps, HALF the Democrat Delegates to be seated, from Florida and from Michigan.
That MIGHT be enough for Hillary to win.
And, it will be fun watching the Democrats admit that the Republicans handled the issue better than the Democrats.
I think (probably hope is a better word) more Kansans vote this year than usual. I would like to see that happen everywhere as voter apathy is a big concern to me.
It looks possible more will vote this year if the caucus numbers are an indicator. Yes, the same Republican voters will vote predictably Republican for their nominee McCain. Maybe even some will stay home (although doubtful) since McCain is the nominee. I think the Democratic voters are understandably more motivated, more excited, happier about their chances and choices.
If we’re only talking presidential race here, since McCain is the Republican nominee, we will have a more moderate president than the current one no matter who gets elected.
JR, as you may know, there’s a really good reason Kansas is Republican. Tons and tons of anti-slavery Yankee Republics from Massachusetts, New York, hell all over New England, migrated west and settled in Kansas when it began to look like Missouri might get its way and turn the Kansas Territory into a slave state.
If you ever get up to the far northeast corner of Kansas, in towns like Leavenworth, Atchison, and Lawrence, you can see the Yankee effect in architecture alone. Civic infrastructure: bridges like the Atchison bridge over the Kansas River look like up-state New York river bridges. There are tons of Cape Cods and Boston townhouses, old homes by Kansas standards but built with plans pulled straight out of Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Waltham, in Lawrence today. Many of them are just west of Massachusetts Street, in fact.
When Rhonda co-wrote an editorial in the Eagle ‘long about two decades ago, one about how lots of Kansas Republicans lived “crafted lives, like works of art” (paraphrased, sorry), she and the Ed. board were talking about the descendants of these early, principled Republicans — mostly.
These were the Republicans who not only talked the anti-slavery talk, they walked the walk. They got off their comfortable backsides, sold their homes, crossed the Mississippi and the Missouri, and began new lives — and they did it to ensure Kansas would be a Free State (back in New England, where the price of such talk wasn’t often as high as the life such talk might cost one closer to where the Missouri ruffians lived).
There are many of these Republics alive today in Kansas, descendants of the original Yankee Republicans, and of course the mid-60s Southern Strategy brought lots of ruffian-types into the fold as well. I was raised up in a rabidly Democrat household, but I grew up with several friends whose parents were just these kinds of Republicans. Really good people, and I mean excellent.
Thing is, there’s a solid reason Kansas is, and likely always will be, Republican.
“Rev. Jessie Jackson’s insistence on “proportional” Delegates from each State primary or Caucus.”
It is another function of control. When the popular vote of the people cannot control what the socialist want, and their attempt to legislate their morality cannot win – they attempt to control using the courts and other policies to control legislative procedures, the law, and even their own democratic procedures for elections.
Letting the best man win, is not an option. That extends from elections, to affirmative action, to the new buzz word, “diversity”.
All a ploy to control the sheep.
Baaaaa! Baaaa-aaaa!
“Political_mama
Posted February 17, 2008 at 6:47 am | Permalink
Ever read the book, What’s the matter with Kansas?
And it is really odd to be that way, considering both parties have changed quite a bit in the meantime. Ike would probably be a democrat today.
Perhaps we’ve got too many whacked far right religions in this state, or perhaps we’ve got too many old people who are just stuck in their party.
I don’t know what it is but Kansans need to pull their heads out.”
Pmom I am old enough to remember Ike and I can assure you he wouldn’t be a dem today. He was entirely too intelligent. A real war hero which would make him a repub unless he were Kerrylike and ’served in Vietnam’ as we heard over and over and over again.
Hillary is pulling the old Clinton tricks and Obama while likeable is totally unqualiefied to be prez. What exactly will he be changing? Where will the money come for his lofty plans?
It’s going to be an interesting year. And by the way I don’t think there is anything wrong with Kansas. We have a diversity of citizens and that’s a good thing.
Pedant,
Sounds like Rhonda’s article describes my family in a sense. They were abolitionist (mildly) and Underground Railroad operators. They came from the North to Kansas from 1850s to 1870s. Farmers, ministers and a few teachers thrown in there. Good folks, the lot of them. The one’s that lived in Illinois waited until later (1870s) to move to Kansas. Their kinfolk from Ohio, New York and Vermont moved a decade earlier.
Pedant, does that mean if I travel to your part of the state, I will find mud houses like on the Little House of the Prairie?
Is that what liberals live in? :)
This thread is about whether or not Kansas voters will vote in the majority for the Democratic candidate for President in November, 2008. Only a few of the 30 people who have responded so far have even addressed this topic. Keep on topic folks!
So far, no one who has posted to this thread thinks the Democrat can win Kansas in November. This is understandable given recent Kansas politics, but don’t forget that in 1964, the Democrat Lyndon Johnson won Kansas. Don’t just assume that Kansas will always vote for the Republican in Presidential elections. It will take the perfect historical circumstances and the right candidates for the moment, but I think Kansas will, sooner or later, vote for a Democrat in a Presidential election.
This year, I think the best shot Kansas would have at electing a Democrat would be an Obama vs. McCain race. Look at the Democratic and Republican caucus results. Democrats turned out 2 to 1 over Republicans, which means they are more enthusiastic for their candidates and for the general election. Sorry Clinton supporters on here like JR, but Kansas Democrats love Obama. Kansas has been one of Obama’s best states, going 74% to 26% for Obama over Clinton. Then look at the Republicans, they went 60% to 20% for Huckabee over McCain. Kansas Republicans like Huckabee and are not too enthused about McCain. Huckabee will not be the Rep nominee, so Kansas Reps are not going to get their guy and will not be very enthused about McCain, won’t campaign strongly for him, etc.
Kansas is an urban state now. To win a Presidential election in Kansas you need to win JoCo, KCK, Topeka, Lawrence, Wichita, Manhattan, Salina, Hutchinson, Leavenworth, etc. You don’t need the rural areas and small towns anymore. Obama cleaned house in the urban areas in Kansas. I honestly believe Obama could beat McCain in Johnson County. Some of the biggest turnouts on caucus night were in Johnson County, and some of those places went 80% to 20% for Obama over Clinton.
Obama will also do very well in the college towns like Lawrence, Manhattan, Hays, Emporia, and Pittsburg.
If Obama is the Dem nominee, Sebelius will campaign very hard for him in this state. That could be important. It is also possible that Sebilius will be Obama’s VP, which would draw a lot of Kansas votes, to get a Kansas governor as VP.
The conservative right in Kansas will not ever feel enthusiastic about McCain. Just look at the caucus results. Many of them will not vote for McCain. McCain will have to ride Bush’s coattails this entire election. This is not the election where the people want to re-elect another Republican. The people want a party change in the White House because they are so disgusted with Bush. Obama will get a lot of Moderate Republican and independent votes in Kansas.
If Hillary Clinton is the Dem nominee, absolutely forget about it. She won’t get Republican votes, and she will drive the right wingers out in droves to vote against her. Democrats in Kansas are not enthusiastic about her either, witness the caucus results. If it’s Clinton vs. McCain, McCain wins Kansas hands down.
After living in KS for my entire life, and being very active in politics, it absolutely sickens me that the people are not smart enough to see what the republicans do to them. My father was a die hard republican, and I watched Dole and his bills cost him all of his farm, and home and millions of dollars. The republican bills through out the years do nothing but hurt the farmers, especially the smaller farmers. That is why there are not many left. Meanwhile, these republican Congressmen, really pad their pockets worse than most others. Once a republican gets into office, they are there forever, and they know that, so they really make sure they are set for life in every way. You can’t see that a true Christian, could never be a republican, it is the polar opposite. They spin this Christianity card to get you people to buy this and vote for them, then look at what they do. YOU HAVE TO WAKE UP! Look at what you helped to do with Bush.
Freddy, this is where you are wrong. Republican voters don’t “feel” their way to voting decision, they decide based on the issues.
Unlike their counterparts who love to “feel good” before making any adult decisions.
Freddy, the republicans will not be sitting this election out. As I posted earlier, there are many other election decisions all of will be making this August and November.
While at the booth, and electronically picking red names out of all the important races, most of the conservatives will pick a red name for president too.
While I agree if Hillary is the democrats candidate, it will bring more votes for McCain, I disagree on anyone staying home.
Even if NONE OF THE ABOVE, applies to the presidental race.
Michelle, being an Okie moving to Kansas over 20 years ago I am at a loss about which bills that would be that stole your dad’s farm. Would that be the democrat inheritance tax?
What a statement about Christian republicans – what is your criteria for this? The most compassionate people I know are republicans. They don’t shout their virtues in the streets but behind the scenes fund several programs such as The Lords Diner, His Helping Hands, contribute liberally to the program to feed hungry children on the weekends.
You see the difference between dems and reps here is that repubs do it and dems talk about it. That has been my experience at least. I do know however that this is merely my observation.
all of us will vice “all of will”
Dems cry about Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” —
Are they mad because the Democrats, the Party of Slavery, the Democrats, the Party of Jim Crow, lost some “White” votes to the GOP?
Of course they are.
However, Many of those Conservative Southerners do not have a racist bone in their body. They just don’t like liberalism.
Think about it!
If you are mad because “racists” left YOUR Party, are you not admitting that the Democrat Party is the natural “home” of racism?
Michelle
Sorry, but you are historically full of it.
I challenge you to look at the Agriculture votes of Dan Glickman and of Bob Dole, side by side, while both were in Congress.
Not a BIT of difference.
You just want someone to blame.
Show me the law that Dole pushed, or voted for, that was not supported by a majority of Democrats?
For the VAST majority of Senator Dole’s service, in Congress, Dole served in the Minority Party!
Grow up, Michelle!
Bad things happen to good people.
Quit looking for someone to blame.
“Quit looking for someone to blame.”
Usually, when I have a finger pointed at someone, there are at least three pointing back at me.
Kansas voters are among the most poorly informed of anywhere I have traveled.
Their grasp of the issues is usually too superficial to make an informed decision.
It sems to me that most Kansans vote for the GOP because their family told them to, or because Rush Limbaugh said they should. This saves them from having to do any critical thinking, or serious evaluating.
Even my sister (graduate degree) hasn’t really got much of an idea where the individual candidates actually stand on the key issues, so she just votes like everyone in her western county.
Kansans are not part of the process, they are on the sidelines watching and being told exactly what to do, then obediently doing it. Then I guess they go to church, or to the buffet.
It’s sad, but it has been this was my entire life, and I doubt if it changes. And there is no way to actually determine what IS the matter with KANSAS.
ksgrm
Posted February 17, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink
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Not so sure, ksgrm.
One key difference between Ike and today’s Repubics is this. While it’s true that Ike ducked an open fight with Joe McCarthy early in his presidency, the final coffin nail in that old red-baiter’s back was set in motion when Ike helped the Army orchestrate the Army-McCarthy hearings. These are the hearings that finally exposed McCarthy as the cowardly bully he was. They were ostensibly held to investigate cronyism in Army supply contracts, but I think Ike really wanted to let the thousands of American vets judge for themselves whether McCarthy was a hero or a zero.
I’d bet a house that Ike would have found the Swift Boating of John McCain, Max Cleland, and John Kerry by the Republic party similarly dishonorable. I’d further bet a house that Ike would have found a way to honor all Vietnam vets in a way that was fair, open, and just. Nobody, and that includes Ike, likes bullies, from Wisconsin or Texas, who have more money than brains (and in McCarthy’s case, he wasn’t rich). Tejan zeroes like TB Pickens and Karl Rove have a place in American politics, but it ain’t as no Decider…and I’m pretty sure Ike would agree.
To PM’s point: like many of today’s Kansas Republics, who thanks to the loons are crossing over to the Democrats, Ike just might have led that trend.
Jeff
That is nonsense, what you just said.
If I were to give the average Democrat Caucus voter, in Kansas, a test on the differences between Hillary’s Health Care Plan and Obama’s Health Care Plan, I am very sure the majority would flunk that test.
(Most Republicans, likewise, would flunk that test).
Your statement shows your anti-Republican bias.
My statement simply recognizes the fact that most people are NOT policy wonks.
This is true in Kansas.
This is true Nationwide.
You are making wild statements that can not be backed up with facts of any sort.
JR
Pain can not be stopped by government.
We will all die.
We will all face illness.
We will all face the death of loved ones.
Government can do NOTHING about these things.
Of course, politicians can make promises, so that the gullible and the hateful have someone to blame, and so that the politicians can get elected.
You are being played JR.
Liberalism is nothing more than an appeal to emotion, in order to gain political power.
I have watched 3 of my best friends die.
I have watched my brother die.
I have watched 2 people die who never would have made it to the hospitial, without me.
I have watched serious illnesses in my own family.
Through it all, I never thought to blame the government, or any politician, for accidents, germs or bad luck.
You remind me of the natives looking for virgins to toss into a volcano, or of dark-ages royality, looking for a “whipping boy” to take the punishment for “royalty” —
Your situation will NOT improve until you realize that YOU are the only person in charge of your own Happiness, and that Happiness depends on purpose, and virtually nothing else.
I agree with those who state Ike would be quite disappointed with much that is called “Republican” today. So am I.
Reading his “Military-Industrial Complex” speech gives insight into how he would feel about our world of politics today.
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
It also seems Kansans are angry people. Maybe this blog is the punching bag and after venting here people go on to lead civil lives?
And
JR
I said that “Bad things happen to good people”
I assume Michelles Father was a good man.
JR
Michael Moore?
Didnt that unhealthy lifestyle liar just say that it was “Immmoral” to vote for YOUR candidate, Hillary Clinton?
Here you go, Moore says it is Immoral for YOU to vote for Hillary in the Primary.
Moore also scolds those, like JR, who attacked Romney for his Religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGv6XBxk1IA
It just cracks me up that the REPUBLICS here are just SOOOOOOOOOOOOO concerned about the DEMOCRATIC nominee and how the delegates are being allocated.
What they should be concerned about is that dottering old man that they are about to toss up as a candidate for the presidency.
One thing is certain, the REPUBLICS better choose their VP candidate very, very carefully.
Whatever is the worst possible choice Kansas can make Nov. 4 is the choice Kansas will make. I predict … write-in votes for Mike Huckabee who’s going to showboat ’til the bitter end “in God’s name.” Kansas will fall for it.
Could your tax dollars be better spent?
Taxpayers in Wichita, Kansas will pay $453.1 million for the cost of the Iraq War through 2007. For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
145,865 People with Health Care OR
466,455 Homes with Renewable Electricity OR
11,140 Public Safety Officers OR
10,038 Music and Arts Teachers OR
93,927 Scholarships for University Students OR
53 New Elementary Schools OR
5,444 Affordable Housing Units OR
263,003 Children with Health Care OR
70,752 Head Start Places for Children OR
10,086 Elementary School Teachers OR
7,880 Port Container Inspectors
greenbriar
Your figures dont hold up.
Our military, if we were NOT in Iraq, would still have to be funded.
Granted, some of our current Force is Reserve or National Guard.
Still, pay and benefits would not be reduced, dollar for dollar.
Those human beings would still exist.
Perhaps, some would be on unemployment benefits or welfare or foodstamps, if not in the military?
Perhaps, those troops would be drawing VA benefits, or education benefits of some type?
This is not a “zero-sum-game” is my point.
When the conflict in Iraq is completely over, there will be no “peace dividend” — you are playing with dollar amounts that don’t add up!
National Defense is expensive.
National Defense is also the primary purpose of a National Government.
Ya gotta love it!
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From the “About” page:
We are Republicans for Obama because We Believe in:
Becoming a Catalyst for Change. Americans are demanding change. After decades of gridlock in Washington, our nation is starving for progress. As Republicans, we are frustrated with a government that seems to create more problems than it solves. Obama is ready to work with Republicans and Independents in the Congress to meet the challenges we must solve together.
(Anybody recognize who they might be talking about in the following?)
Creating a Unity of Purpose. As Republicans, we are disappointed with the vocal minority in party that seems to be more interested in arguing with Democrats and using wedge issues to divide us than they are in finding solutions to our nation’s challenges. Obama has demonstrated a willingness to reach beyond partisan rhetoric and embrace many conservative ideas. We appreciate Obama’s direct appeals to Republicans and independents to move beyond the politics of division.
Candor in Political Discourse. As Republicans, there will be issues that we will disagree with Obama on. People of good character are allowed to have disagreements on issues of policy formulation and implementation. We appreciate Obama’s honesty and candor in with regard to his vision for the country. We welcome the opportunity to have an honest and open dialogue.
Rediscovering the Greatness of America. As Republicans, we believe that Americans can achieve greatness in everything we do. Obama has rekindled a sense of optimism that Americans last felt during the Reagan years. Despite the challenges we face in a post 9-11 world, our political leaders have been unable to call upon all Americans to come together as a united people. Patriotism is a shared responsibility that requires us to support our soldiers, sailors, airmen and their military families as they serve our country, and to do our part as citizens as we work to maintain our way of life.
Encouraging Individual Responsibility. As Republicans, we believe that an individual’s success should be based on his or her talent and hard work. Obama’s life story is a remarkable example of how people can and should take charge of their lives in achieving the American Dream.
Strengthening Families and Communities, instead of Government Programs. As Republicans, we believe that strong faith, stable families and healthy communities are the key to building better individuals. Obama has demonstrated that he is not a typical government-has-all-the-solutions Democrat. While many liberals continue to believe that government can and should be involved in every aspect of people’s lives, Obama emphasizes the values of faith, families and communities working together in solving our problems.
Expecting Fiscal Competency from Our Government. As Republicans, we believe that government resources should be used wisely and prudently. Obama understands the dangers posed by an expanding national debt, which will only force our children and grandchildren to pay for our mistakes.
I suppose the theory is that enough hard right R’s will be disgusted with McCain as to vote for the “other guy” out of defiance, or stay home and moderate R’s will, in turn, vote for the D.
Which means a “blue” Kansas is more likely than in Arizona this year–but I wouldn’t bet a dollar on it.
What Kansas needs to think about right now is Kinzer. He’s attempting to get the law changed so that the House and Senate dictate who gets put on the supreme court, therefore giving the entire balance of power to them. We cannot let this happen.
The SC judges would be only at the whims of those extremists on the right. My own House representative said one time…’I'd love to vote for that, but if I did, they’d give my office to someone else and I’d be in a broom closet”.
And no, he wasn’t joking. That’s how they play it up there. You vote for what the neocons want if not you get punished.
You know what this really is, that Bush did such a horrible job that it got people interested in having a voice AGAINST something again.
The republicans for Obama site really aggravates me. Like I said, it’s the moderate republicans taking over my party. Obama should have run as an independent then.
Damn straight, p-mom!
After all the crap the Repugs have pulled in the last eight years, there’s GOTTA be some payback.
REPUBLICANS FOR OBAMA
http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=about
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Republicans for Obama? Well, possibly ignorant ones.
I think that Kansas will go blue if the nominee is Barrack Obama simply because of his roots in Kansas. If it is Hillary, the state will go red.
You are dreaming Kev. Conservatives don’t give a rats ass where Obama was born, is from, or whatever.
We will be at the polls in strength due to large number of federal AND state representatives up for grabs.
As I stated earlier today, the presidential drama will be a small sidebar for us. This is regardless of whom McCranky picks as his running mate (sorry WS Clark).
Actually, “Democrats for McCain” is a much bigger group than “Republicans for Obama” — and you can not give me ANY well known Republicans on the Obama band wagon.
Hey, I think Obama is a great speaker, is basically honest, and beats Hillary hands-down.
Still, he is a liberal.
“Still, pay and benefits would not be reduced, dollar for dollar.”
well they would — no paying for combat / special duty pay, less transportation money for rotations — then there’s the cost for the dead and wounded …..
Kansas won’t go blue. But the GOP is gonna get beat like a drum and put into a nice long exile come November.
You people need serious mental help. Denial is huge.
There is one reason and one reason only for the extreme attitude change in this country and reversal of apathy. Why democrats WHOMPED Republicans in caucus count, during a snowstorm even. People are SICK of neocons- so sick of it they’re trying to send the far right of their party a loud and clear message, and you still wno’t hear it. You’re so pathetic. Holding onto that ideology no matter how flawed it has proven to be.
Well JR I think I can say I agree with you about something. And deservedly so.
Kansas will remain a red state. I cannot see why we would vote for a Muslim.
The democrats have a little problem. Obama is getting a lot of the anti-Hillary vote. He might lose a little of it if he gets the nod.
It looks like Hillary might have enough super delegates to steal it from Obama. Where’s his supporters going to go?
I think McCain can pick up a lot of democrats, either way. Maybe enough to make up for the upset conservatives!
How about it Hillary supporters? What if Obama gets the nomination? We know J R is going green. That’s just like voting for McCain!
How about you Obama fans? What are you going to do when Hillary steals it from him in the back rooms at the convention?
“I cannot see why we would vote for a Muslim.”
Another idiot crawls out from under a rock…..
KsPurpleDude – back under the rock – now.
How exactly does one “go green”? I’ve read that a few times on this blog.
Is there a green font or characters that will be on the electronic ballot? Is there a candidate associated with that cause? Curious. Really.
How do you vote “green”?
Sewing division where there is none Hank?
I can vote for Obama. IF Senator Clinton or another for sure Democrat is on the ticket. Or IF Obama decides to give the right the back of his hand.
“I think McCain can pick up a lot of democrats,”
You mean you WISH McCain could pick up a lot of Democrats. If there is any Democrat even thinking of voting for a Republican that person is most likely already confined to a mental institution.
Hank…………………I seriously doubt if any Obama supporters will jump to McCain if Hillary gets the nod.
That’s NOT how the Democratic Party works, unlike the dying Republic Party.
Unfortunately, idiots get to vote too. There will probably be those who do vote based upon religion.
It’s been an issue elsewhere in this campaign.
Don’t include me in their lot, but I’ll bet they
will be voting.
Of course you can vote for Obama, J R. What if he doesn’t pick a VP you approve of? Didn’t you say you’d go green?
That’s sowing division, by the way. I’m just merely pointing it out.
Anyways, the Kansas vote doesn’t matter.
Ask the GOP.
“I think McCain can pick up a lot of democrats,”
Yeah, and McCain could jump into a phone booth and change into a blue and red suit with a cape and fly around the world.
It could happen, but the odds are really, really slim.
There is no Democrat in his or her right mind that would vote for McCain.
There was a question in my post Apophis. Who are you for, Hillary or Obama? What are ya going to do?
What if he doesn’t pick a VP you approve of? Didn’t you say you’d go green?
WSClark and American Way must be Democrats as all they do is name call. I just posted my earlier message to get a rise out out of the Barack Hussein Obama crowd. LOL
On the democrat side the candidates go left in the primaries to get the nomination then run to the middle for a chance to win.
McCain pretty much owns the middle. I would imagine hell get more of the democrat vote than Obama or Hillary can get of the Republican.
WSClark, posted;
“There is no Democrat in his or her right mind that would vote for McCain.”
Sorry WS, but that’s an oxymoron.
There are no Democrats in their right mind or they wouldn’t be Democrats.
Now remember, don’t get so riled up you suffer spontaneous combustion.
Sure they would WS, the racist ones. And oddly there are still quite a few out there.
That’s the one good thing about Obama if he should win the nomination, it should completely eliminate all the racists from our party. And I’m glad to see em go.
WSClark – There you go again with your limited vocabulary.
The liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization; satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation; augmenting primitive feelings of envy; rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
Name-calling too. LOL
There’s racists in the democrat party? Can I quote you on that P-M?
Is there in sexists in the democrat party? where will they go if Hillary wins?
LOL
“I would imagine hell get more of the democrat vote than Obama or Hillary can get of the Republican.”
A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush III. The first two weren’t exactly a smashing success, so why would anyone think that “Four More Years!” is the way to go?
There are no Democrats that will cross the line, but independents and semi-normal Republicans will flock to the other side in droves.
Perhaps the Republicans haven’t noticed, but the country is REALLY pissed off and ready to be rid of George W Bush.
All McCain wants to do is pursue four more years of the same old crap.
Yeah, that works.
“Name-calling too”
Are you going to call me a “Heebie” now, Dude?
Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.
We Republicans don’t share in Barack Hussein Obama’s vision of where to take the country
WS don’t let that clown get a rise outta ya.
Just think how utterly miserable he is gonna be November 5th! Heh, they’ll have to up his lithium.
Who do you like now Clark? Why? Or are you merely voting against Bush, no matter which candidate and VP gets the nod on the democrat side?
So J R,
What if he doesn’t pick a VP you approve of? Didn’t you say you’d go green?
Really WSClark you and your name calling. Didn’t your folks teach you manners or was your upbringing a village effort.
JR – Apparently, name calling is a habitually thing with Democrats. Now the mentally ill are being slandered. LOL
There are ways to help a third party WHILE helping the Democrat nominee. If Obama doesn’t impress me, I’ll make use of them.
Hank/Goering:
I will stand behond whomever gets the nomination of the Democratic Party.
It is only the Republic party that is in disarray…………….canibalizing each other based on who is “conservative” or “religious” enough.
The Republic Party is in its death throes.
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J R
Posted February 17, 2008 at 8:36 pm | Permalink
There are ways to help a third party WHILE helping the Democrat nominee. If Obama doesn’t impress me, I’ll make use of them.
So J R, does that mean you won’t vote for Obama if he picks the wrong VP?
“Who do you like now Clark? Why? Or are you merely voting against Bush, no matter which candidate and VP gets the nod on the democrat side?”
I have been a Barack Obama supporter from the very beginning, Mr. Price, but I will support and campaign for Hillary Clinton if she should win the nomination.
Voting against Bush? Damn right, especially when the Republican nominee has offered absolutely nothing to separate himself from the failed policies of George WMD Bush.
A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of the same.
That is why he will lose, and lose badly, in November.
What do you think WS Clark………………..McCain/bush-clone goes down at least 40-60% popular, even worse electorally?
History is the best indicator of where Liberals ideology has failed. Liberals are known for calling conservatives dumb, stupid, intolerant, racist, nazis, Fascists, hicks, bla, bla,bla. It’s clear that when the intellectual path is thwarted Liberal’s arguments denigrate.
Well Apophis,
Primaries tear the parties apart, democrat and republican. The winner of the primary in each party has to bring the party together. The one that is the most successful usually wins the general election.
McCain is already in the process of trying to bring the republican party together. When Huckabee finally gives up the ghost we’ll see what he does. He’s worked with McCain during the primary to defeat Romney, I’m sure he’ll fall in step for the good of the party when he loses.
The democrats are going to be split for quite a while yet. Looks like it’s going to get a lot worse for them before it gets better. Obama has the momentum and Hillary won’t go quietly into the night.
Again, I ask, who do you like now?
“Liberals are known for calling conservatives dumb, stupid, intolerant, racist, nazis, Fascists, hicks, bla, bla,bla”
And that would be because they ARE dumb, stupid, intolerant, etc.
I am a Clinton delegate, but will be FULLY behing Obama if he gets the nod.
Oh the news is better than that Apophis.
I think I heard 22 Con Senators are up too.
Things being what they are, say they lose half those races. That’s 11 new Democratic Senators.
And THAT gives the new Democratic President a super majority in the Senate.
“kspurpledude” brags –
i>”I just posted my earlier message to get a rise out out of the Barack Hussein Obama crowd.”
Which is the definition of a troll.
Apophis, I see it as 58-42 for the Democrats in November (the winning party almost never reaches 60%) but I see an Electoral College landslide for Democratic candidate, be it Hillary or Barack.
The country just isn’t going to stand for another four years of Bush policies.
WSClark and the Liberal Voice. You’ve just proven my point over and over again. You are definitely the product of the liberal school system.
kspurpledude
Posted February 17, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink
“It’s clear that when the intellectual path is thwarted Liberal’s arguments denigrate.”
Have you said something intellectual? Dude!
MonkeyHawk – Go back to your village and get the three R’s. Wait a minute! They don’t teach the three R’s do they?
“The democrats are going to be split for quite a while yet.”
A split Democratic Party is still twice as good as the Republic Party.
The Republics have NO new ideas – just more of the same old, same old.
It ain’t gonna work.
Democrats have new ideas? What a joke!
The rhetoric on the left is much like the wishful thinking we heard before 2000 and 2004. McCain isn’t my choice, but he has my vote. Obama is a very good politician, but there is no ‘there’ there.
If Hillary gets the nod, and she still has a chance, don’t underestimate her ability to unite us!
“McCain isn’t my choice, but he has my vote.”
Around 80% of the country thinks we are headed in the wrong direction. George W Bush has the lowest sustained approval rating in history. George has reached the basement of approval ratings at 30%.
So why is McCain running as Bush III?
And believe me, the Democrats will be painting McCain with the Bush III brush throughout the Fall campaign.
kspurpledude,
What the DemLibs like Apophis are so ignorant about when saying things like “The Republic Party is in its death throes” is that the characteristics of the party will never go away.
Characteristics like self-determination self-reliance, a high work ethic, self-confidence and freedom. The DemLibs in contrast as you say are, “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave. The liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization; satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation; augmenting primitive feelings of envy; rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.”
Sorry, but your post was so GOOD and ACCURATE I copied and pasted it in just so I could reread it.
And yes when faced with the truth they degenerate into name calling.
“George W Bush has the lowest sustained approval rating in history. George has reached the basement of approval ratings at 30%.”
Yeah, but that is higher than the Democratic Congress and their approval rating is continually falling more.
Boxlock……………..you’re Republic Party dogma makes me laugh!
“Yeah, but that is higher than the Democratic Congress and their approval rating is continually falling more.”
Only because Bush insists on vetoing any appropriations bill that would end the War of Choice on Iraq – and the Democrats do not have enough votes to overcome the veto.
Next January, there will be no veto and no need to overturn same.
Hillary Clinton is Clinton II. The Democrats in Kansas saw that by more then a 2 to 1 margin.
What are 3 reasons to vote FOR Obama?
Change?
Hope?
Bringing America together?
Ya vote for the guy, what in the heck do you expect to get from him specifically?
“Hillary Clinton is Clinton II.”
Bill Clinton’s approval rating were more than twice that of George WMD Bush’s on the day he was impeached (67% – 30%)
George can only DREAM of having two third of the nation on his side.
Boy those 3 reasons to vote for Obama really roll off quickly, don’t they!
Hey BoxLock,
I’m amazed at the vitriol coming from the left. If we lose the election I’ll be disappointed but I’ll still get up and go to work Wednesday morning. I’ll still have my wife. My horses won’t be any slower. I’ll still have the best sheep herding Beardies in the nation.
I don’t know which was the worse president last century, Carter or Clinton. Well, maybe Clinton because we had to put up with him for two terms. But I didn’t hate them. All in all, they were merely minor annoyances. At least Carter made it possible for Reagan and Clinton made it possible for us to have a president that was willing to take on terrorism. Every cloud has a silver lining!
The strongest feeling I came away from the Democratic caucus with was that we had two candidates and wouldn’t be disappointed with whoever was the final nominee. I talked with lots of people that night — we waited in many long lines so had a few hours to talk. It was an amazingly enthusiastic, exited and determined crowd! I heard many talk of a serious butt kicking come November.
I’ve mentioned my Canadian friend before. She lives and works here in America. We talked on the phone last night and the upcoming election was part of our conversation. She said, “Nothing will surprise me. You Americans reelected bush in 2004.” We laughed, but that put it in perspective for me. The fat lady hasn’t sang, Democrats can’t rest on any laurels, there is much work to do.
“Ya vote for the guy, what in the heck do you expect to get from him specifically?”
Actually, I had heard that Obama plans to have you declared an illegal enemy combatant, Max, as he is going to throw your butt in Gitmo indefinitely.
Hey Linda,
If Obama wins what changes are you looking forward to? How do you think he differs from Hillary? Who do you want?
Didn’t you caucus for Hillary?
Listed reasons below to vote for Obama:
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Listed reasons below to vote for Clinton:
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(chortles)
Yup, lotsa reasons to vote FOR Hillary or Barrack.
I’m not the only one though, who can’t quite remember what those reasons are.
Kansas will be Red again, in November.
More of the same old, same old from McCain.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23212854/
McCain says no new taxes if he’s elected.
“(he could) see an argument, if our economy continues to deteriorate, for lower interest rates, lower tax rates, and certainly decreasing corporate tax rates,”
In other words, more of the same.
McCain blames the deficits on earmarks.
The deficit is projected to be $600 billion.
Earmarks totaled $35 billion.
What about the OTHER $565 billion John?
The man needs some serious math tutoring.
Regular,
You using invisible ink or very small font?
I couldn’t quite read those reasons.
Republicans……………………
= if the economy is good, cut taxes.
= if the economy is bad, cut taxes.
Meanwhile, the Federal government is drowning in red ink.
Reasons for voting for McCain:
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Hank Price
Posted February 17, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink
“Hey BoxLock,
I’m amazed at the vitriol coming from the left. If we lose the election I’ll be disappointed but I’ll still get up and go to work Wednesday morning. I’ll still have my wife. My horses won’t be any slower. I’ll still have the best sheep herding Beardies in the nation.”
And I also Hank, and it feels good to know that.
The DemLibs on the other hand will still possess their pathetic dependency attitude that will rob them of any satisfaction over time. They will never get the government to give them enough to satisfy them. They are searching for answers to their misery from a nanny government when their misery problems are within themselves. But they never think to look there and do anything about it.
Obama met with Edwards today.
Hmmmm…..
An Obama/Edwards ticket makes much more sense then a Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket.
1. Clinton wouldn’t run as VP to anyone. Her snob nose pride is too high.
2. Obama would not want the negative votes that Clinton would bring to an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Edwards would agree to be VP for Clinton, should she bribe the Superdelegates and steal some delegates from MI and FL.
“How’s that meetup you are calling coming?”
McCreepy is going to call a blog meet? He won’t show – he’ll be at Denny’s feeding his face and complaining that no one showed where HE was.
Hey J R,
You never really answered my question,
You going to support Obama or does it depend on the VP he picks?
Yes Hank, I did caucus for Hillary, still hope she gets the nod but won’t be disappointed if Obama does. He has at least as much experience as bush, but is a more honest, more sincere, more talented and capable man. He will surround himself with experts and listen to advise from all in weighing his decisions. We have much to look forward to!
Very simply. I’s late and this isn’t the place to go into any depth of discussion. I go into this with complete understanding that it is probably just giving you ammunition for your attack on how wrong I am. Trust that I don’t expect to change the way you think and you won’t have that effect on me either.
I want to live without morality being legislated. In fact, I really don’t understand why Republicans who profess to be for smaller government, less intrusion in our daily lives, want to stick their noses where they shouldn’t.
I want the useless war of choice to be handled by people who aren’t forcing democracy where it isn’t wanted.
Since government doesn’t generate any income but simply gives away everything they take from us I would much prefer it be spent on Americans. Social programs make more sense to me than corporate welfare.
An attempt at fiscal responsibility would be a refreshing change!
I want the damage to America’s reputation healed.
I want health care for everyone.
I could not help notice that NONE of the Republics here would comment on the deficit or the McCain – Bush III campaign strategy.
Interesting.
No worries about the deficit?
No worries about four more years?
Ha!
Cartoon depicting a Leftist Liberal father reading a bedtime story to his son:
Father: Then all the Liberals rose up and slew the evil dragon named George Bush and Christian
conservatives throughout the land were banned from
ever voting again.
The End.
Child: Wait, Dad! You left out the part about World Peace and Free Healthcare!
(chortles)
:D
You re posted my 8:36 post Hank. Surely you must have read it?
Tend your own nomination process.
The Barna report also showed that “born-again Christians” now favor the Democratic Party, which has a well-earned reputation for growing the government. According to the research, 40 percent of them plan to vote Democratic, 29 percent Republican and 28 percent are unsure.
Kansas will be Blue in November.
Did Obama and Clinton promise to balance the budget?
“Did Obama and Clinton promise to balance the budget?”
Look at the last forty years and tell me which is the party of fiscal responsibility, Max.
I’ll be waiting.
Hank
Agreed!
I think that the Dems on this Blog really don’t get it.
They seem to need politics for affirmation. They need elections the same way the Clintons need opinion polls.
We conservatives know that we are right. We conservatives know that, historically, socialism has always been inferior to freedom, by every measure.
Liberals need approval, like children.
We conservatives? We will, perhaps, lose another election.
So what?
The truth is not determined by majority vote.
We will still be right.
We will wait, patiently, as the wayward children of the left screw things up.
We will wait, patiently, as the fickle “moderates” remind themselves just exactly why they don’t trust liberals.
Then — another Reagan will come.
In the meantime?
As Chesty Puller said at the Battle of the Frozen Chosin:
“We got em where we want em, we can shoot in any direction” — well, it is hard to prove he said that, exactly, but that is what the DI’s say.
Here is what WIKI says”
“At the outbreak of the Korean conflict, Puller was once again assigned as commander of the 1st Marine Regiment, with which he made a landing at Inchon on September 15, 1950. In November of that year, Puller earned his fifth Navy Cross for action during the Battle of Chosin Reservoir. It was during that battle when he made the famous quote, “We’ve been looking for the enemy for some time now. We’ve finally found him. We’re surrounded. That simplifies things.”[5]
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Anyway
The point is we know that liberalism doesnt work.
We know that conservatism does work.
George W. Bush certainly isn’t perfect, but he is a good man. His biggest mistakes were not made with Conservative support.
The Part D Drug Plan, for instance, was not a conservative idea at all. It actually has worked rather well, but it is another expense, an expense that will only grow.
What “thanks” did George W. Bush get for this plan, that saved at least 20 families, that I know of, from financial ruin? NONE!
Bush also did not handle immigration real well. As a moderate on that issue, I understand his motives. Still, the failure on this front was still NOT a failure of conservative values.
Liberals will never thank a Republican for being liberal. (Well, maybe during a Republican Primary, but they will pull it away fast, come the General Election!!)
The Republican Party will do just fine.
Reagan would have LOVED to have a Congress that was 40% Republican.
The next Republican President will have far more than 40% of the seats in Congress.
Perhaps we have to remind the voters what a liberal looks like first?
Thats OK.
We will soon be able to shoot in any direction and hit one!
Hey BoxLock,
The best thing that can happen to you these days is to be considered an enemy by the democrats.
The very worst is to find yourself in a class of people they target to ‘help’!
They’ve been for the blacks and their condition has steadily gotten worse for the last 50 years.
They’re for the poor and with their war an poverty they’ve transferred trillions of dollars from the haves to the have nots and the number of the have nots has steadily increased.
The gays and lesbians support them almost religiously but they’ll get no satisfaction, they need the issue.
They never solve any of their issues, they need them to keep their base loyal. The absolutely worse thing that can happen to any American is to wake up one morning and find out you are a democrat cause!
No, Obama nor Clinton promised to balance the budget.
There’s no way in hell that even Clinton/Obama could tell a lie that big.
Will the vast multi-trillion dollar increases in Social spending, there’s not a chance either one could balance the budget, even when they double taxes on those earning $30,000 or more per year.
I wonder when Clinton/Obama will ban hunting? Before or after they ban guns?
You Socialist Liberals stay up and blog away. Working people have to get up early on Mondays.
Hank
The “Defense of Marriage Act” or DOMA was signed by BILL CLINTON, yet they still think the Democrats will give them Gay Marriage?
“I wonder when Clinton/Obama will ban hunting? Before or after they ban guns?”
Presidents can’t ban anything with Congress providing a bill for such, so if that happened, it would mean that your fellow Republics voted for it.
As usual, Max, your fourth grade over the top attempts at “humor” have fallen well short of the mark.
Christ.
And, my number one reason for voting for the Democratic candidate this fall is JUDGES.
“We know that conservatism does work.”
We haven’t had a conservative in the Oval Office since Ike, so when has conservatism worked?
Even Brent Castillo the right wing Christian opinionator suggests that Kansas will be BLUE this November in his column today.
“Even Brent Castillo the right wing Christian opinionator suggests that Kansas will be BLUE this November in his column today.”
That does it, we’re screwed now.
ya got that right linda.
A new Democrat President will appoint as many as 5 new Justices to the Supreme court.
Those new Justices will outlive all the con posters on this blog.
Has Brent Castillo ever been correct about anything?
WS
Liberalism is arrogance in action.
The silver linning, if you take all branches of government, is that you can no longer blame Republicans for liberal failures.
Liberals think they are soooooo much smarter than everyone else.
They set themselves up for failure, since they set the bar way way too high. The government simply cant be all things to all people.
Of course, I was speaking metaphorically, on the “shoot in any direction” comment.
What I meant was that Conservatives will not give up, even if surrounded.
And, having liberals in charge will unite Conservatives and focus our energies.
You guys will be a laughing stock, all over again.
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Federal Revenues are STILL at historical highs.
Exports are actually RISING.
We just came off a 52 month run of employment growth.
Fiscal Responsibility?
We are in NO position to be promising any new benefits to anyone.
We already spend over $27,000.00 per year, on average, on every senior citizen.
Yet, Obama and Clinton keep promising more?
Our Corporate Income Tax Rates are higher than Socialist Europe!
The “rich” already pay a higher portion of our total income tax revenue than ever before in history.
You are full of trite, worn out, socialist rhetoric.
Hillary even says we can not afford all of her ideas.
Hillary even admits she will have to garnish wages to provide health insurance to the irresponsible.
“The Era of Big Government is Over” Bill Clinton.
“The Country can’t afford all of my ideas” Hillary Clinton.
Priorities Econ,
With me it’s God, family, country, friends, neighbors, dogs, horses . . . . politics are only useful to me to serve my priorities. The republican party is nothing other than the absolute best choice between the two!
I find it amusing that the democrats think conservatism is dead. I’ve been a conservative forever. Never had to lie about what I think. Never had to hide from the name. On the other hand, liberals have to lie about what they want to do when they get into office. Liberal, progressives, democrats, enlightened, what ever they call themselves their priorities all have to do with getting their butts elected.
In this election our candidates were all trying to ‘out conservative’ each other. Then, when the democrats finally decide which one of their candidates is the most liberal they will immediately run to the right because they know they can’t win without the conservatives.
“Federal Revenues are STILL at historical highs.”
Of course they are – the population is ALSO at an all time high.
But the issue is, the DEFICIT is STILL at an all time high and getting worse.
And there is NO plan from the Republics to address that issue that will damn generations to come.
By the way, WS
I object to your use of the word “Christ” all the time.
Free speech and all, do what you feel you must.
However, I did ask others not to make religion an issue, on this Blog, when attacking other Bloggers.
It is difficult for me to ask others not to resort to religious name calling when you show little respect for other religions, yourself.
I understand that, if you are not a Christian, using “Christ” all the time would not be breaking a Commandment.
However, again, I asked others to stop with anti Jewish trash talk.
This is a request you will probably ignore, or laugh off.
However, it is an opportunity for you to show some class, if you take the suggestion in the proper spirit.
It detracts from your argument. You would be a better Blogger if you would drop the references.
Dream on Hank!
“I object to your use of the word “Christ” all the time.”
I object to your demeaning Democrats as socialists, etc, all the time.
I object to slams from McCreepy and others on my character and my heritage, all the time.
When they stop, I will stop.
Well J R,
Your side has . . . well, . . . You!
LOL
I’ll take Econ101 anytime!
And when it comes to pointless ad hominum attacks no one on ‘my side’ is even in the same league with Apophis and Clark!
Let’s not start down that road! You lose!
Kansas will most likely remain suicide red, but there still is cause for hope.
It’s not hard to imagine revenuses and GDP falling, which will cause the debt to GDP percentage to increase.
Nighty nite, children. This happy, little, conservative republican has to get his beauty sleep!
Play nice!
JR
Actually, when you care about ideas, and your ideas win, it is still a WIN!
College Savings 529 plans.
IRA’s
Roth IRA’s
HUD Tax Credits
Health Savings Accounts
401(K) plans
I could go on and on. Democrats have worked on some of these programs, of course, but they are what they are, today, because of Republican leadership.
They won’t go away.
On all of those issues, Republicans won, because the battle is over.
The same is true on many other issues.
Also, SCOTUS will be reigned in, by Congress, soon enough.
Congress can limit the jurisdiction of the Courts, by simple majority vote, any time they want to.
Go too far left, too fast, and SCOTUS will get its wings clipped. They realize as much. The Justices, themselves, agree that Congress has this power and they trim their decisions, accordingly.
And, no, I am not laughing, Rossell. I use the term deliberately in response to the personal attacks from the Right.
I can give as good or better than I get.
It is not a slam on Christianity – it is a slam on those that use the words of Christ to further an agenda that is decidedly non-Christ-like.
I left Christianity because of the likes of Nathan and McCreepy – I could not see how Christianity in today’s incarnation was truly following the teachings of Christ.
I have an ENORMOUS belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ, probably more than many so-called Christians.
My use of the term is just throwing their hypocrisy back at them.
WS
You are Jewish, correct?
A proud Heritage.
You know full well that I respect the Jewish Faith.
However, I take offense at a Jewish person using the word “Christ” as a cuss word all the time.
I also take offense at anti-Semitic terms, as you are fully aware.
I will try not to bring it up again.
Just understand that you reep what you sow.
That looks like a threat, Boxcutter… :roll:
Oh I forgot, some of you can use any words you want to define anything you want…
You will die and a more progressive Supreme Court will outlive you paul.
I’d say your “ideals” would die, except you don’t have any beyond you. And when you’re gone, they’re gone.
“Go too far left, too fast, and SCOTUS will get its wings clipped”
By whom? The Democrats now control Congress and it is likely that we will pick up more seats in November.
That sword that you are waving can cut both ways.
Econ, if you dont like anti-semitic terms, then why do you insist on using them??
Good night blogging friends. This happy, not-so-little ;-(, liberal Democrat needs more beauty sleep than I’ll get in just one night but I’m tired so I’ll rest well.
Play however you choose, you’re adults!
And you NEVER even THINK about calling Regular/James/etc. out for calling Clark “Heebie”
So, are you just blowing smoke, or what??
Paul Rosell is a bigot WS.
Google “econ”+”Black areas”
Or go back and read about how paul was recruited to beat up gay people in parks.
WS
Most of the freshman Democrats that won, last time around, were pro NRA and ProLife.
I win even when my Party does not.
“Just understand that you reep what you sow.”
You obviously failed to read what I posted, Rossell.
By the way, I have a number of tattoos, one of which is a crucifix on my LEFT shoulder.
I believe in the words of Jesus Christ. I do not, however, believe in the Christian Church of today.
But, since it seems to be a point of religious concern for you, and being that tolerant guy that I am, I shall………………..
not use the word Christ in my posts from here on, unless the topics are His teachings.
And that statement is not being made in any smart-ass sense, so don’t interpret it as such.
It’s not that I like you Rossell, but I will defer to your religious considerations.
Chas
Forgive me if I did.
When?
Jr, that was a figurative statement relating to the blog. But I should have known you haven’t the intelligence to figure that out. I wouldn’t think of wasting my time on you or dirtying my hands. You simply aren’t worth it, or in even reading your posts, they have no substance.
You are simply a chancre around here.
Chas
You are absolutely wrong there.
I did say that the term “Heebie” was not acceptable.
It is because I came forward, on that one, that I feel I have some authority to request the same respect of WS Clark.
“Jr, that was a figurative statement relating to the blog.”
What was?
You also made a reference to a Jewish Person… Judaism is a FAITH… NOT a person… There is a Jewish FAITH… Persons of all races, colors, and ethnic origins can be Jewish…
At least get your terminology straight…
And, no, I never saw your response to Regular, et al, as to his constant calling Clark a Heebie… Sorry…
JR
Your cheap lies dont sell here.
Look at any political news show, they clearly discuss the votes between Blacks, Whites and Hispanics. They also talk about votes in Harlem a “Black area” as opposed to other areas of NYC.
Is all of network TV racist?
You are a shallow man. Personal attacks are all your brain can handle.
I was not “recruited” to “beat up gays” as you full well know. I turned such people into the Police, as I told you I did. They attempted to “recruit” me, not because of my beliefs, but because of my fighting ability. I was insulted, I turned them in. It stopped.
Is there no limit to how low you will go, JR?
Progressive? You call yourself progressive? You want to blow up Mexicans on the border, with landmines, eliminate the State of Israel, and legalize prostitution.
JR, the Supreme Court will never agree with you.
Hell, you can’t even find a single candidate, anywhere on the planet, that agrees with you.
Dont ask, JR… wouldnt be good for your blood pressure… it was close to despicable…
WS
Thank you sir.
I am not perfect, either.
My goal is to help clean up this Blog, not to find personal fault with others.
Defensive much there paulie?
You sure should be.
Chas
You are being silly.
Still, no offense was intended.
“Jewish” can refer to a faith or to a person.
I am a “Catholic Person” I would like to be a better one, but that is what I am.
Sorry, I dont get your objection, but I will be more careful with the term.
JR
Yes, I am an old man now, at 49.
I turned some thugs into the cops, after cussing them out and telling they were stupid, when I was about 20. What did you do, at that time, in defense of the innocent?
There isnt a bigoted bone in my body. You are just projecting because I tagged you, successfully, on your bigotry time and time again.
James and his many nics? Come on JR, you HAVE posted under other nics, and you know it. I dont care about the nics, I care about about the content of the argument, and the class and charactrer of the poster.
And, I never lied about you.
Not once.
WSClark, posted;
“I believe in the words of Jesus Christ. I do not, however, believe in the Christian Church of today.
But, since it seems to be a point of religious concern for you, and being that tolerant guy that I am, I shall………………..
not use the word Christ in my posts from here on, unless the topics are His teachings.”
Probably none of my business but I would like to thank you also WS.
And anytime you care to post topics on his teaching of course that is up to you only, but know I say please go right ahead they are welcome.
It’s a bit funny (if that is the right word) Box, but because I was raised as a Christian and have done extensive reading, including the Bible cover to cover twice, I can quote chapter and verse quite proficiently.
I have absolutely nothing against those that follow the TRUE teaching of Christ.
My argument is with those that twist the teachings to fit their narrow views of the world.
Apophis:
I am also a Hillary delegate–long story :)
Hank:
“Is there sexists in the Democratic Party?”
Isn’t that akin to the words of your president, “Is our children learning?”
Pity party for the Libs – bring your own whine and cheese
(chortles)
“My argument is with those that twist the teachings to fit their narrow views of the world.”
And so do we all that are at least trying to use his life as a model, even though we don’t come close.
Good night fella,
plays pity violin for the Libs
Well, time to pack a bag for travelling tomorrow… Two day road trip…. hope it goes the way its supposed to… :-)
Prayer of the Evangelical Agnostics, by Susan Werner, on the album, “The Gospel Truth” –
Thy Kingdom Come,
in every nation;
Thy Will be done,
In everything we do;
Lord lead us not
Into temptation;
But deliver us
From those
Who think they’re You!
– Susan Werner –
Apparently, Mr Obama is not so keen on preventing another holocaust:
AP Updated: 2:58 a.m. CT July 20, 2007
SUNAPEE, N.H. – Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there
Yet on the other hand:
On Thursday, April 12, 2007, over one hundred Illinois residents had an opportunity to hear Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) speak out on the importance of recognizing the Armenian Genocide, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).
In his response, Senator Obama stated: “For those who aren’t aware, there was a genocide that did take place against the Armenian people. It is one of these situations where we have seen a constant denial on the part of the Turkish Government and others that this occurred. It has become a sore spot diplomatically. . .”
Following the meeting, Birazian commented: “Armenian Americans in Illinois and across the nation look forward to Senator Obama becoming a cosponsor of S. Res.106. His principled stand on genocide recognition is honorable.
I am not sure Mr. Obama’s stance is one of consistency regarding the treatment of human beings by different factions.
One poster admits he is a dope smoker, and another poster who is a supposed “Christian” leader, is rolling on the floor because that is a funny comment.
Only in America.
Prayer of the Evangelical Agnostics, by Susan Werner, on the album, “The Gospel Truth” –
Thy Kingdom Come,
in every nation;
Thy Will be done,
In everything we do;
Lord lead us not
Into temptation;
But deliver us
From those
Who think they’re You!
– Susan Werner –
“I am not sure Mr. Obama’s stance is one of consistency regarding the treatment of human beings by different factions.”
And just how can we AFFORD to be the world’s policeman?
We are already in the hole to the tune of $1 trillion and counting in Iraq, all because George WMD Bush had a hard on for Saddam Hussein.
$1 trillion and 4,000 dead Americans to take out a two-bit, tin pot, paper tiger dictator that, even WITH WMD, couldn’t defeat another third rate power in a ten year war with Iran.
And that is what George considered a threat to the United States.
I wonder if his church would approve of the attitude he has here and the language he uses?
He doesn’t want us to know what church he belongs to, because if they found out that he was representing them like he does here, they would probably give him the boot.
“I am not sure Mr. Obama’s stance is one of consistency regarding the treatment of human beings by different factions.And just how can we AFFORD to be the world’s policeman?”
Well maybe you should find out. What is the price of the lives of another seven million jews?
How much can you afford?
“But again, I’m normal.”
Ya’ might want to get a second opinion on that one, AmWay.
wonk wonk wonk – the Lib spin machine rattles on
Persecutor-Accuser-Victim
learn it folks, it’s the game the Libs play
P-A-V
round and round, spin and spun, spinning…
(chortles)
“What is the price of the lives of another seven million jews?”
And who is about to kill seven million Jews?
I used to know some obnoxious drunks when I was younger… the more they drink, the more obnoxious they get… Sort of like the way AmWay, Regular, and Nathan get the later it gets on the Blog… Hmmmmm Nawwww they wouldnt be obnoxious drunks……
Would they???
And Amway… I still dont know of any PROTESTANT denominations that have services on Mondays…. But, I guess if you imbibe too much, you get your calendar all screwed up in your head….
You cant spin your way out of that huge error…. Must be bad, not to know what day of the week it is!! Tsk Tsk Tsk!!!
“marijuana is NOT an addictive substance”
WS Clark, your cavalier attitude toward drugs is disgusting. Marijuana is illegal. It’s use is against the law in the USA and those laws are also on the books in Kansas.
Your bragging, no pride, no solicitation of drug use should be reported to the authorities for investigation. You casual disregard for the law in this case – cause all your other stances in lower regard and questionable.
All drug use brings criminal and social problems to our nation. Problems which begin with our young people, and continue to follow those users later in life. Many become dependent upon the social services of the country.
I am not amused. And I find it shocking, that a man who calls himself a “man of gawd” on these blogs, even defends his position as such (as you are too), laughs casually at your abuse.
It is sick.
Chas I have nothing to spin my way out of. You claim to be a man of god. A man of the cloth. Yet you laugh at a drug abuser and find his admission to drug abuse funny.
Spin that one hare doctor of nothing.
I gotta go… road trip tomorrow!! If it goes good, I will be a happy camper!! Gotta see the cancer docs, to see if I am still in Remission from this damned crud…. If not, oh well, I have a good friend that is a funeral director… And THEN all of you bozos who constantly poke fun at my profession will be able to see me all laid out in all of the official robes, stoles, etc. THEN you will all know what a pack of worthless LIARS you really are!!!
SO LONG for now!!
Once again, for all of you flaming fundies, that want to shove your particular religious beliefs on to others >>>>
Prayer of the Evangelical Agnostics, by Susan Werner, on the album, “The Gospel Truth” –
Thy Kingdom Come,
in every nation;
Thy Will be done,
In everything we do;
Lord lead us not
Into temptation;
But deliver us
From those
Who think they’re You!
– Susan Werner –
Good night; Good luck;
God bless; Whatever you
Conceive God to be!!
Blessings All!!
Chas,
wonk wonk wonk
“Clark, you cannot compare yourself with a POTUS.”
So, it’s okay with you that your president was a cokehead, but my past use of marijuana makes me a criminal that you are going to report to the authorities?
You are going to report me to law enforcement because I have admitted to using marijuna in the past? I bet they jump on that one in a hurry.
Jeez, and what information are you going to give them so that they can track down this dangerous criminal?
And………………..
“Your ambition is thwarted by the drug abuse.”
One, you have no idea the extent or lack thereof of my “drug abuse.”
Two, I am a retired businessman – very successful when that was my inclination.
Damn, you are one funny man, AmWay.
Report me, AmWay, go for it or STFU.
Damn, you cons are HILARIOUS!!!!!
Chas,
You are the one who waves around your credentials of being an ordaned minister here as an authority on subject matter.
If you would answer the simplist of questions about that, we would leave you alone.
And perhaps we simply don’t believe any ordaned minister would act like you do here…
Before you spelling ninja’s get me, I know my fast typing left out the “i” in Ordained.
Chas: I wasn’t attacking your faith. Hell, I don’t even know what faith you are.
You yourself revealed your “supposed” professional
field.
I merely questioned whether a true man of God would think it’s funny that another poster smokes pot.
That is a fair question, as it would be most unusual for a Christian preacher to support drug abuse. In my opinion.
Guess Amway just doesnt know a whole lot about preachers… could be stupidity or ignorance… ignorance is forgiveable… stupidity is just habitual!!
I’m outta here!!
Blessings All!!
Clark I was referring to your comments on being a retired businessman. YOu can be anything you want to be on a blog. Keep bragging, I’ll play along.
And for someone who USED to abuse drugs, you sure talk about them an awful lot.
Most of us from the sixties don’t do such a thing.
Further, for an adult, you continue to profess that marijuana use, although illegal, has not bad effects and hurts no one else but the user. Implying it should not be illegal, or that it is like eating ice cream.
For those that know drug abuse, nothing could be further from the truth.
Even if you did use pot, and have now quit, there must be a reason you quit. You must know that you don’t want your children or grandchildren to use it. But yet, you make light of it (your drug abuse).
You need help. And you need to be reported by someone to protect your off spring.
A true former smoker would not advertise and suggest drug abuse is “o.k.” as long as you don’t hurt anyone else. (which is a lie)
“Chas, the self proclaimed “Christian” minister, quotes the AGNOSTIC Susan Werner’s prayer…”
And?
As I stated before, Nathan, I know Chas church, his full name and his address. He is what he says he is.
You’re just pissed because he is not a fundamentalist Christian as you are.
Perhaps this would be a good time for you to get off your “better Christian than you” high horse and realize that there are many varieties of Christian denominations – not just yours.
Nathan,
Clark not being a Christian doesn’t have a clue as to what the basis, the very foundation of Christian belief is.
WS Clark,
I bet people in Chas’s church are more willing to talk about their faith in Christ than Chas is.
I have met few people so unwilling to share their faith or even mention what they believe about Christ as Chas.
I make no assumptions about his church or congragation, only observe his actions here.
Something tells me that his church wouldn’t like to see the way he acts here either.
I have met many ministers and have yet to meet any as mean spirited, rude, crude, or vulgar as Chas is here.
Chas brags about being an internet ordained Christian preacher.
Yet he has forgotten the words of Christ,
“No man comes to the father but by me.”
He cannot even acknowledge the Christ in Christian.
He also is not proclaiming him as the savior to the people on this blog.
More to come. Stay tuned.
Hey Clark. Tell us again about how the republicans should elect their vice president. Hows that work?
“Clark not being a Christian doesn’t have a clue as to what the basis, the very foundation of Christian belief is.”
Really? I was a Christian for about forty years – read the Bible cover to cover twice – can quote chapter and verse with the best of them.
I just have chosen to leave Christianity because of folks like AmWay and Nathan.
Wow! I had that much impact on your faith Clark.
Amazing.
I never posted about my Christian beliefs or said anything about them. Didn’t post pro or con on the christian faith did I? I don’t believe I ever even claimed to be a Christian.
Amazing that I still had the mind control power to influence you to drop a religion of forty years.
“I have met few people so unwilling to share their faith or even mention what they believe about Christ as Chas.”
Only because he is not going to take the bait from someone like you, Nathan.
You are a fundamentalist Christian. He is from a mainstream Protestant church. He IS NOT going to reveal the denomination because that would allow folks like you, you specifically, to harass him and his congregation.
He isn’t going to take your bait, Nathan, anymore than I am about to give you my street address.
WS Clark,
“IF” you really ever were a Christian, then you would obviously have had faith in Christ.
Now why/how would someone like me make you no longer have faith in Christ?
Either Christ is real and died for your sins and faith in him will give you salvation or it won’t.
People you don’t like or don’t agree with shouldn’t be able to change that.
So don’t blame “people like me” for your not being a Christian unless being a Christian was nothing more than some social club for you and not faith in Christ.
“Amazing that I still had the mind control power to influence you to drop a religion of forty years.”
You get dumber, if that is possible, as the night goes on, AmWay.
Try READING it again…..
“chosen to leave Christianity because of folks like AmWay and Nathan.”
The operative word is “like.”
Dumbass.
My goodness! Name-calling from the guy who wants to get HIGH HIGH HIGH in the midday sun.
Walking and talking trash.
Obviously, you really didn’t believe in Christ to begin with, if someone like little ole me (whom you don’t know anything about, nor even my religion), made you leave your church.
You probably got kicked out for talking about pot so much. Or smoking in the back pew.
“So don’t blame “people like me” for your not being a Christian unless being a Christian was nothing more than some social club for you and not faith in Christ.”
Blow it out your fleetwood, Nathan, you judgmental little SOB.
I left Christianity because Christianity had become a home for little judgmental fools like you.
As for my personal beliefs in Christ………
None, absolutely none, of your freakin’ business.
Your judgmental attitude is why so many folks just can’t stand you, Nathan.
Me included.
I would sooner walk through the fire of Hell than to walk across the street to shake your hand.
Loser.
“You get dumber, if that is possible, as the night goes on, AmWay.”
By two AM, you ought to be down to vegetable status.
By three, you should be approaching rock status.
By four, they’ll turn off your life support.
Moron.
No sense in trying to make sense with the burnout.
I’ll move on elsewhere and check back here later.
Watch out for the blue flashing lights Clark.
Regular, someone posts the name of your sister, on a anynomous blog the only way one would know such infomation is if you posted it yourself. and for the record anyone one can be ordained judt sign up online, makes not paying taxes so much easier.
“Watch out for the blue flashing lights Clark.”
Have them come and get me, AmWay, or STFU.
Idiot.
Last time Clark, tell us about electing the vice president. You know. You posted it earlier today.
Tell us a story.
Keep up the name calling. It sorta excites me.
Let’s me know I struck a nerve (albeit a stoned one).
WS Clark,
You said you left Christianity.
What the hell does that mean then?
If your faith in Christ is your own personal business then why bother sharing that you left Christianity in the first place?
I am not being judgemental. I simply don’t fall for ignorant stupid remarks trying to blame “people like me” for your leaving Christianity.
Either you have faith in Christ as your Lord and Savior or your don’t. My actions shouldn’t effect that if you already believed in Christ.
I could see how my being a bad example might not influence people to come to Christ in the first place, but how on Earth would it make you lose that faith?
Simply go to church with Chas. Apparently his little corner of “Christianity” seems to be just fine with you.
“for the record anyone one can be ordained judt sign up online”
Last time, idiots, Chas is an ordained minister in a mainstream Protestant church.
It’s not an online church, ying yangs.
“anyone one can be ordained judt sign up online, makes not paying taxes so much easier.”
You’d have to HAVE income to worry about taxes first.
“Simply go to church with Chas. Apparently his little corner of “Christianity” seems to be just fine with you.”
Just don’t try to go to Chas’ church on a Monday.
Apparently they are closed on Mondays.
See that’s one of the problems with being liberal. You have to hide your religious beliefs. If you don’t, you might be labeled a neocon right winger.
Publicly, they bash the church. Privately, they worship just like the rest of us. Blue or red.
Hmmmm makes perfect sense to anybody with a brain Nathan…. LOL
Thanks for clearing that up Clark. I was wondering what you meant by your post:
One thing is certain, the REPUBLICS better choose their VP candidate very, very carefully.
taking the question quite literally, and on review of the many comments here: What color will Kansas be on Nov. 4th? white. decidedly white…
Max,
I just wish they would stop shoving their religion down our throats here on the weblog.
Maybe they should request a permanent religion blog to post everyone’s individual prayers on. They make the weblog more of a prayer blog than anything.
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