Speaking of how the Kansas Senate started its Tuesday, chaplain Fred Hollomon’s Kansas Day prayer bears repeating:
“One hundred and forty-seven years ago today, Kansas moved from territory to statehood. From the very beginning Kansas wore a label: If anything could be done, Kansas folks were able. We have been described as being both hit and miss, ‘from the heights of ecstasy, to the black abyss.’ We’ve been called ‘anomaly,’ hard to understand. ‘Peculiar, but interesting,’ a ‘problematic’ land. We once were ‘Bleeding Kansas,’ fighting to be free. Finally winning the battle, and statehood came to be. Yes, you saw it all, O God, but you play a greater role: Through your many ministers you can save Kansas’ soul!â€
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It is wonderful that our state legeslators have retained this privilage of prayer.
It’d be nice if Kansas’ “ministers” didn’t believe God is a big loser, wouldn’t it?
Have you listened to the religious right’s message? Satan rules the earth – because God lost. In the struggle between “Good” and “Evil” the religious right has elevated “Satan” to the same status as God – and then in the great battle between them Satan won. Which means, of course, that Creation, or our little part of it, has to be defended from sin by these chosen right-wingers who will banish sin – and the sinful if need be from the face of the planet. Well, because after all Jesus failed (too). I mean, Jesus came to earth and didn’t do a darn thing about vanquishing sin. All He did was forgive us for it and tell us He loves us anyway. NOT a good deal, according to the religious right. And, surely, not the source of Salvation and life everlasting.
Ohhh no, for that we are to look for the rules of the religious right (and please, don’t forget to hate all the gays because they are a greater threat to this nation than Islamic terrorists; the eighteen million LGBT Americans who go to work to bring half a trillion dollars to the nation’s economy every year are the equivalent of madmen flying jets into the World Trade Center. Ask one of this state’s “ministers”, he’ll tell you it’s so.) Where God and His incarnation, Jesus, failed the religious right will prevail. They will teach us that we are the source of our own “Salvation”, well, if in the name of God – you remember “God” – who in the battle between Good and Evil lost to that much stronger god Satan – we judge, if we judge, oh anyone handy: Gays have been convient, women, liberals, democrats, “secular humanists”, people they’ve never met, people they have met daily in public, in the workplace whom they actually like but against whom they will rail from the pulpit…
Because that’s what you do when your God is a loser and you’re the source of your own salvation. You make sure no matter what you’re better than “THOSE” people.
You want to be afraid forever? Take up with the religious right. You’ll always wonder if you followed the rules just right. You’ll always look for new people to judge for reassurance that some failure God loves you better. And, you will always know that sin and evil in the World will always win in the hands of the superior Satan who drove God Almighty out of this World. With the religious right you will always know that you were abandoned by Love.
Or, you can believe in God, remember Him?
I do not understand when he says “save Kansas’ soul”. Kansas does not have a soul. Kansans have a soul but Kansas is just dirt and water like every other state. It is an object and thus cannot have a soul. More stuff from the religious right I guess.
Sebelius is on her way out and much to the chagrin of the religious and political right she has done a fine job as governor of Kansas, so much so that the Right’s efforts to smear her in any way have exposed them for what they are: petty and unthinking. So, they’re gearing up for a power grab, we all know how well power grabs by the Right work for the people, but then, it’s never about us. They’ll justify it with their holiness. What’s new?
blah blah blah the right blah blah boogie man blah blah conspiracy theories blah blah power grabs blah blah
Regular is speaking in tongues. Must be God’s chosen. Quick! Let’s all follow Him, errr him.
Can’t thank you enough for the way you’ve articulated what the “Right” has to offer to this state and this nation, Regular. Keep up the good work.
That’s because it is Kansas Mod, not the state of Constant Whining like the left does.
The only thing Dems do when they get power is raise taxes, whine and pass oppressive legislation that ends up killing businesses.
Keep posting regular. You’re the best argument, ever, against following the Right down the delusional path of off-shoring American jobs, Exxon-Mobil’s record profits while American families face 10-30% increases in the cost of food, new job losses, the Chinese holding the nation’s increasing debt, the increasing budget deficit, the declining dollar…. Please, keep telling us how terrible Dems are.
Sadder still, Regular, you don’t benefit personally from Republican leadership, but you have no problem preaching a line that will drag others in this country down with you and your ever diminishing standard of living. I get that you don’t value yourself enough to want better for you, but why would you keep a better life from others?
Mod I had to reread your post twice to see what you were trying to say. Wow what a downer on this fine Sunday morning. Thank goodness I don’t practice the ‘relegious right’ you know.
Where did you come up with this perverted picture of Christianity? I believe in a loving God who accepts me just as I am. He has assured me that he knows I’m not perfect but he love me none the less. I know that when I sin as we all do I will be forgiven. Sin isn’t the winner any more than satan is.
Glad I’m not you.
That “perverted picture of Christianity” is part of the neo-pentecostalism that began in the 1980’s with the charismatic movement. I suspect that many people who are deeply involved in religious fundamentalism and evangalism don’t know that this is the religion they follow: God lost – Satan won. Thye now much be the source of Salvation for themselves and the World. It permeates the television evangelical shows. But, the viewers never question what these preachers are really saying about God.
I appreciate your efforts at pity to make it seem like I’m somehow a believer in this heresy, I am not. I have absolutely no respect for those who out of an abundance of ignorance, or greed, promote it. But then, they’ve been conditioned since the 80’s to do so; who says psychology doesn’t work? Just say the word “liberal” in the presence of one of these true believers and watch the operant conditioning kick in. They may as well be Pavlov’s dog salivating at the sound of a bell with the canned responses they give.
It’s sad that this country has faced such tremendous losses of dignity at the hands of the misguided and in the name of their particular beliefs, but in the end ordinary Americans will return to a loving way and put their faith God, not His less able spokemen.
Appears to me Mod, you are attempting to anthropomorphize God into what you think he should be and how people should react to your interpretation of Him.
A politicized God is what you think “the other side” sees.
You don’t speak for any believers in God, but yourself and you certainly are not qualified to categorize entire groups of people, just because you say it is so.
I appreciate you sharing your views, Regular. Based on South Carolina’s response to Mike Huckabee’s turn at “putting God in the Constitution” I’d say more than a few Americans are ready to put their collective foot down on the influence of the religious right in this nation. You see, the religious right tried to catagorize entire groups of people to get the presidential nomination for one of their own and it appears to have backfire.
Practice what you preach.
I’m not preaching anything God. I’m responding to your accusations that all Christians on the Right are the same. There are people who happen to be Christians whose only involvement in any decision making about politics, is voting on Election day.
The Left’s fear of Christianity shows a problem with their acceptance of anything spiritual and they use it as attack point – nothing else..
And your response to one single sentence in the topic’s thread shows your prejudice and complete ignorance on the matter. But hey, we know there are religious bigots like yourself, who prop themselves on an artificial pedestal of false superiority.
Smart people aren’t bad people, Regular.
And in the immortal words of Eleanor Roosevelt, “No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”
Well, I guess I’ll take my 160+ IQ and slink off into the corner Mod. Perhaps all people who are Christian are just a bit on the dumb side, right Mod? Or is it that you are substituting arrogance for logical reasoning?
Well, now, don’t be so whiny, Regular. And, I thought only “dems” did that.
It’s ok, Regular, God loves you. Really.
Spot on Mod — Very good interpretation — Only one addition… That Charismatic thing?? Started back in my college days — early 70’s.. It has just grown immensely since the 80’s!! Hang in there… Spread the Word!!
“Well, I guess I’ll take my 160+ IQ and slink off into the corner”
….. and stay there til you learn to behave
160 IQ?? REALLY?? Wow, I’m honored to be in your presence!!!
“I believe in a loving God who accepts me just as I am. He has assured me that he knows I’m not perfect but he love me none the less.”
Ksgrm…when you talk to God you’re praying..but when God talks to you, that usually means you’re schizophrenic…
Wouldn’t it be great if there were some place the religious politicians could go to for prayers? Perhaps they could invent some institution, perhaps call it something like a church or a temple, and they could have their religion there? The Kansas Constitution already states that supporting such religion in the government is illegal but nothing like religious people to use religion to justify criminal behavior.
Mary Caruso
Posted February 3, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink
160 IQ?? REALLY??
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:lol:
Yeah, whatever.
The 160 was dog math – divide by seven to get the correct figure.
LOL Clark!!
Remember in Genesis 2 verse 17, that in the midst of the garden, God placed a tree of Life and a tree of knowledge of good and evil and said to Adam that he are not to touch them lest he surely die.
Then in Genesis 3 the serpent told the women the truth about the trees.
Well, God lie to mankind about it, they did not die.
When God found out about it he cursed them then he made them some decent clothes and kicked them out of the garden.
One of these days, all of you guys are going to get a clue.
In those two books if anyone is not telling the truth, the liar turns out to be God.
“One of these days, all of you guys are going to get a clue. In those two books if anyone is not telling the truth, the liar turns out to be God.”
Whatever, as long as H/he doesn’t run for public office. …Oh wait, He didn’t run for public office, because God so loved the World, He DIDN’T send a POLITICIAN.
Are we being cynical today, Mod?
Regular
Posted February 3, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink
Well, I guess I’ll take my 160+ IQ and slink off into the corner
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:lol:
That wouldn’t be that leaky corner of your sister’s basement, would it?
You’d think a guy with your 160 IQ…oh wait, 160 PLUS IQ :roll: … woulda figured out by now a way to rise higher in life than sittin’ around his sister’s basement in his undie-bars peckin’ at the internets all damn day.
Get off your duff, Mr. Wile E Geneyus. :D
Libs like Pedant just can’t help themselves being the ugly American. They don’t even have to try.
All that Pan troglodytes blood just drives them chimpanzee insane if they don’t release their inner monkey.
“Then in Genesis 3 the serpent told the women the truth about the trees.
Well, God lie to mankind about it, they did not die.
When God found out about it he cursed them then he made them some decent clothes and kicked them out of the garden.”
In other words.. Spiritual Death, or separation from God. God did NOT lie.
Seems to me, Sam, that the REAL sin in the garden isnt eating the fruit, but the DESIRE to want to be LIKE GOD — knowing the difference between good and evil… or at least WANTING that forbidden knowledge!!
Chas.
I almost agree.. the desire was just minifested in the eating of the apple…or kumquat…or whatever the fruit actually was. There is a fine line here though, because being like Jesus is desirable, but taking His place on the throne is not. Knowing the difference between good and evil is desirable, but placing yourself on the Judgement seat is not.
Well, then, seems to me they wanted the “Judgment seat” :-)
Regular
Posted February 3, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
…All that Pan troglodytes blood just drives them chimpanzee insane if they don’t release their inner monkey.
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Crushing.
:lol:
Chas.
Appears so… Seems to me alot of people want the same thing today!
“Well, God lie to mankind about it, they did not die.”
Hmmm….OK Wiseman. Then can I please have a word with them?
“.When God found out about it he cursed them then he made them some decent clothes.”
Calvin Kline? St. Laurent ….
“All that Pan troglodytes blood just drives them chimpanzee insane if they don’t release their inner monkey.”
Sounds like you’ve spent the afternoon releasing the blood from your monkey ….. slap that monkey — need a tissue?
“Well, I guess I’ll take my 160+ IQ and slink off into the corner Mod.”
I am sure that James believes this statement to be true, but there are those of us, who know – not from knowing him – but knowing about tests, how utterly false the above is. Please provide proof. This should be really funny…
Shouldn’t people with putative 160+ IQ’s be theoretical physicists at Princeton, rather than boring bloggers on the WE weblog? One would certainly hope. But, this is the same blogger who claims to have a 4.0 GPA from college. Could it be that he just forever posts self-enhancing lies? Duh, maybe…
How disappointing and surprising that James did not provide us with support for his preposterous claims. The Eric Cartman poster failed us once again. Big surprise there…