Palmer is the one using scare tactics

palmerpeggyState Sen. Peggy Palmer (in photo), R-Augusta, claims in a commentary on today’s Opinion pages that opponents of her illegal immigration bill — which include our state’s most prominent business and farming organizations — are employing scare tactics. But she’s the one who has been promoting fear. Palmer titled her bill the Kansas Illegal Immigration Relief Act, implying that our state is suffering a scourge. And she has talked about stopping an “invasion,” warned about terrorists and said that “I don’t think we want to become like California.” Yet she seems surprised that some people are offended by her comments and concerned about the cost and harm of her proposals.

64 Comments

  1. Pleefer
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    I don’t mind them until they start flying Mexican flags over my flag in my country. And when they don’t flush their used paper, some just throw it in the corner.

    Viva Reconquista!, Viva La Raza!, Viva Aztlan! Viva MEChA!

  2. Pleefer
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    What is Aztlan?, What is MEChA? Stupid blog.

  3. Pleefer
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Forgot one, Viva La Mexica Movement!

  4. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Lessee…there are approximately 4,272,173 children of illegal immigrants in this country receiving FREE public education at a cost of around $13,837,105,050 (that is 13 BILLION).

    There are around 358,254 illegals in jail/prisons around this country, at a cost of $1,386,348,300 (that is 1 BILLION). Then, of course, there are the 150,000 or so illegals who are fugitives. Many of which come here illegally, do something like kill someone, then run back to Mexico.

    Scare tactics? I don’t think she is being forceful enough. This IS an invasion and since the feds refuse to do anything, it is going to be up to the states to defend themselves.

  5. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Friends,

    We are at a critical point in the fight to preserve our culture. The Fight for SB458 appears to be centered on E-Verify. This is a tested system to assure that the people who are hired are legally eligible.

    How many of you have your social security number being used by another individual hundreds of Miles away??

    How many of you have someone using your name and Identity.

    The truth is that it could be happening today and you would never know it.

    The Illegal Document industry may be using any or all of us. The current I-9 form is so outdated it compares to the horse and buggy vs. Jet planes. Slow, ineffective and outdated.

    The big money lobbyists along with the Kansas Chamber of Commerce are protecting those in favor of HIRING OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LABOR.

    They would want you to believe otherwise but there is no other reason why they are fighting the implementation of E-Verify.

    E-Verify is Inexpensive; it’s free to the business when they sign up.

    E- Verify is fast. The business has an answer back on seconds determining the eligibility of employees.

    E Verify Gives Kamas employers protection from Prosecution should they hire an ILLEGAL immigrant after using E-Verify to confirm legal eligibility to work in the
    USA.

    A Vote against E-Verify is a vote
    FOR HIRING ILLEGAL ALIEN LABOR.

    We need to call our Kansas Senators today to let them know we support sb458.

    This issue is not about race, as many would like you to believe, but is about preserving our culture that RESPECTS, FOLLOWS AND ENFORCES its laws.

  6. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Wow! The libs are siding with BIG BUSINESS?

    Gee, just on the next thread on power plants, libs don’t like big business controlling government.

    Which is it?

  7. Pleefer
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Y’know, I can’t disagree with a few things that The Mexica Movement espouses. Everytime the subject of Columbus comes up in my home, I tell my kids to ignore the notion that he “discovered” America. And I do tell my kids that Europeans did kill off the Indians with bio-warfare with the blankets and all. But when this movement portends that they will take back Aztlan, I’ve gotta get into a fighting stance. But in a matter of a few years, maybe a decade, we WILL have a NAU (regardless of whether you believe it or not).

  8. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Let’s see, isnt palmer the one who proposed a new state lizard or state spider or some damn thing a couple of years ago?

    And isnt she also the one who wanted to outlaw baggy pants or rap music or some damn thing this year?

    Emporia? Could you possibly send a freakin’ ADULT to the legislature after November?

    I mean, one who has the maturity and brains to tackle the REAL issues in Kansas?

    Jesus WEPT! I’d say this chica has too much time on her hands and not enough REAL work to do in the legislature. And we pay her how much? For doing what?

    Maybe we need a new state cupcake or muffin or something. Give this do nothing something real to do or send her ass back home.

  9. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Opps, sorry. Augusta, not Emporia. Where is Kenny King when we need him?

  10. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Sen. Palmer is from Augusta, kfg; I cannot recall the name of the person to whom you make reference, but both might be considered as candidates for involuntary retirement.

    The problem with the E-verify system being promoted upthread is the admission by the SSA that it has an error rate of at least 10%. Now, given the totality of the data the database upon which the E-verify system relies, that error rate isn’t extremely large. Given that the SSA admits at least a 10% error rate is contained in the database, is this a truly reliable resource?

  11. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Heh VT. Kenny King was a long time legislator from that neck of the woods. Conservative republican who happened to be related to me. :) He passed away a few years ago. He mighta been a con, but he would have NEVER done crap like this woman. He knew what it was like to actually WORK for his district, not gum up the process with fluff bills.

  12. littlejohn
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    “The problem with the E-verify system being promoted upthread is the admission by the SSA that it has an error rate of at least 10%.”

    It figures.

  13. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Any problem which does surface with e-verify provides an opportunity to fix it. No system is absolutely perfect.

    The problem with the current I-9 system is that there is absolutely no way to check unless you hire an agency to do a through background check.

    Even then it is extremely slow and expensive for the business. Those who wish to continue to keep their heads in the sand still promote the I-9 system. you know, don’t ask, don’t tell!!

    Below is the link to e-verify web site.
    http://www.smartbusinesspractices.com/pilot/

    Conversion to this system is a must to verify employment. I would bet a good deal of that 10% error you talk about is actually the system working properly.

  14. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    RS, the problem is with the SSA data base that is the foundation of the E-verify system. And, while I’ve not a lot of experience with it, I can tell you that errors in the data base are not always due to the system “working properly”. Example: client claiming personal exemption deduction for child; correct SSN entered on the 1040. IRS denies. Three months or so later, after much correspondence and verification, error in system admitted, and the whole thing was finally solved. This is but one of several examples I’ve encountered.

  15. situveux1
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    I think farm girl needs to get her facts straight…Palmer didn’t propose any of the things listed.

    I know research and facts and truth are troublesome for liberals, so it’s okay…the public pretty much expects that out of people like you now.

  16. Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Hey, I would trade my Senator (the less than honorable J. Emler) for Peggy Palmer any day.
    Why do you think the Kansas business interests are all for keeping the status quo? The last thing they want is a (God forbid) labor shortage that might exert upward pressure on wages in this State.

  17. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    -19-08

    Senator Emler,

    My most current information lists YOU as a SUPPORTER OF ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    SB 458 Promotes methods to verify the employment of those who ARE NOT LEGALLY ELIGIBLE to be employed in the USA.

    The big money lobbyists along with the Kansas Chamber of Commerce are protecting those in favor of HIRING OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LABOR.

    They would want you to believe otherwise but there is no other reason why they are fighting the implementation of E-Verify.

    E-Verify is Inexpensive; it’s free to the business when they sign up.

    E- Verify is fast. The business has an answer back on seconds determining the eligibility of employees.

    E Verify Gives Kamas employers protection from Prosecution should they hire an ILLEGAL immigrant after using E-Verify to confirm legal eligibility to work in the

    USA.

    A Vote against E-Verify is a vote

    FOR HIRING ILLEGAL ALIEN LABOR.

    Please join over 80+% of Kansas’s voters who will be voting next fall by voting for this bill.

    CC: Kansans in Support of SB 458

  18. Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Palmer has a history of seeing imaginary people.

  19. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Doug,

    We can stick our heads in the sand if we choose, but it takes a real backbone to tackle this issue. Every crackpot out the is calling her (and anyone who supports her) all sorts of names.

    I have seen first hand the Cultures accompanying ILLEGAL, UNCONTROLLED immigration.

    I lived in Garden City for almost 7 years and worked near 5 points. This was within 1 block of a large “housing complex”, 8-10 blocks from 2-3 of the most dangerous nightclubs in town, next door to the GC alternative school, two block from an elementary school that had at least 2 ESL classes for each English language class. (I was on the Advisory council for this school the first 3 years I was there. I have seen the culture that grows when you have multiple families and individuals renting a house. I have seen elementary age kids pulled out of school and moved multiple times for no good reason. I have talked with teachers concerning the physical and mental abuse the female gender is subject to in that culture.

    I think I have had a pretty realistic view of what the “unintended Consequences” this abrupt and UNINVITED culture change brings. I strongly feel that we are at a crossroads that we must stand up and take action before it is too late.

  20. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    RS,

    I think you are not alone. I believe the reason the actions by congress and the president failed before is due to the grass roots effort by many like you who felt it was time take a stand, or witness an amnesty bill which would almost overnight add 12-20 million illegals to our society.

    It appears to me, that the candidates on both sides are in favor of amnesty, while most of the nation (last poll I saw was in the 70’s percent range) is opposed to it. (I didn’t count Huck)

    It is difficult for me to support either side concerning the illegal immigration problem.

    I’m afraid we will witness a new amnesty bill, in some fashion next year.

  21. Rog
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    The illegal mexicans need to go home, it’s as simple as that. Enforce the law.

  22. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    In 1986 we had 2.7 million Illegal Aliens in our country. Because we took no action to prevent a repeat of this flood by securing the borders and removing the MAGNETS, which draw more illegals, we now have 10 times that number to deal with today. For us to add to the seven (7) amnesties passed in the US congress since 1986 without preventing a repeat is unacceptable.

    The first this is to secure the borders and stop the flow.

  23. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Our current immigration policy and enforcement (or lack thereof) was best described by some “talking head” I heard on the tube within the past month. I cannot recall his name, for I’d like to give him credit for the following: “Our immigration policy and the current situation is as the result of the following; signs on the border saying ‘keep out’ next to signs saying ‘help wanted, apply within’.”

    Perhaps if the contributions to the politicians equaled the 70% against amnesty, i.e., 70% of the money received in contributions in total was from those opposed to the proposed immigration reform bill, the viable candidates might listen. Sadly, it’s all about the money; and there are folks with deep pockets that I speculate are quite happy with the current situation, and will resist physically and fiscally any attempt to change it.

  24. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    We have three (3) kansas senators here in sedgwick county supporting hiring ILLEGAL immigrants.

    Wagle
    Schodorf
    McGinn

    WHY??????????????????

  25. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    The 1986 “One Time” Amnesty has had long range consequences:

    “The fact that these new INS figures show that the last amnesty actually attracted more illegal immigration should give serious pause to those now advocating another amnesty,” said Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies.

  26. Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get it. No really. What part of illegal is hard to understand?

  27. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Call your senator and ask them what part of illegal they don’t understand!! We seem to understand it pretty well.

  28. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Sol, it isn’t “what part of illegal is hard to understand”; rather it is “what is the economic benefit to me (employer or employee) if I don’t get caught”. Given what I feel has been very lax enforcement of the employer sanctions at the federal level for a substantial period of time, the quantification of the risk has likely led many to employ illegals, and, I would speculate, many of those did so knowingly.

    As someone has already pointed out, talking of sealing the border is all well and good, but without removal of the magnets attracting the illegals, there will always be more coming (and trying to come). Just my opinion, as always.

  29. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    “The Kansas Illegal Immigration Relief Act” (SB 458) will provide effective solutions for the problems that result from the:

    1. Employment of illegal aliens-Requires public and private employers to use the E-verify program to verify legal status of potential new employees and imposes penalties for businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens.

    2. Consumption of public benefits by illegal aliens -Prohibits illegal aliens from receiving state services and benefits. In Executive Order No. 06-371 issued August 24, 2006, Governor Sebelius clearly set forth this important public policy objective. This will establish a unified and easily understandable process for verification of lawful presence by those seeking public benefits.

    3. Lack of cooperation between local law enforcement agencies and the US Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement Encourages and allows all state and local authorities to enforce federal immigration laws.

    4. Lack of employment identity fraud laws. Creates a new crime of employment identity fraud. The penalty is severity level 8, non-person felony.

    5. Lack of laws regarding identity theft in Kansas Driver’s License Law-Requires the Division of Motor Vehicles to require any person applying for a Kansas driver’s license who provides documents of citizenship to sign an affidavit swearing to legal citizenship. Falsely swearing is a federal crime. Requires that no driver’s license or state-issued identification be issued to any alien until the United States Department of Homeland Security has verified the him to be lawfully present in the United States

  30. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Can the borders (yes, all borders, not just the Mexican - American one) be effectively sealed? I speculate yes, at a very great cost. Can the borders remain sealed? Again, I speculate yes, at a very great cost. Can all illegals be found and deported? Maybe, again at a very great cost. Will employers still try to obtain the cheap labor? Yes, unless those knowingly employing illegals can face a reasonable probability of being caught and face penalties sufficient to discourage this. Will the illegals still try to come for employment, if it is available? Yes, they will.

    So, what comes first; the chicken or the egg? How much are we willing to expend to seal borders effectively, locate, imprison and deport those already here? How much are we willing to spend on better enforcement of existing laws against employers who knowingly violate the same? How large should the penalty for knowing employment be? These questions occur to me.

    It’s like the hue and cry for determinative sentencing; 20 years is 20 years. Period; then, of course, comes the need to build additional jails, staff them, etc., and the resistance to paying for it. I see this happening again in the immigration area not too far in the future. Then, what should be done? Again, my opinion.

  31. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    RS, my question is how much is enforcement of the proposed law going to cost? Not to try to justify, in any way, the presence of illegal aliens. Is there any estimate as to the potential costs of enforcement? I think this is a reasonable question to ask.

  32. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    All good questions. Search Arizona and see how many are self deporting. Check Oklahoma, same deal, except they are now YOUR neighbor.

    The SAVE act is now in both the US HOUSE AND SENATE. Take a look at what it does. Can we afford to become a sanctuary state??

  33. Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Illegal aliens = four percent of the population.

    Gays = four percent of the population.

    Interest on debt = 35% of the Federal budget.

    Gays and illegal immigration are the least of our worries.

    There is a reason that the Federal government does so little about illegal immigration - big business WANTS undocumented workers so they can pad their pockets by using cheap labor.

    If you REALLY want to see something done about illegal immigration, toss a few business owners and hiring managers in jail for a eight or ten years and THEN things will change.

    No jobs - no reason to cross the border illegally.

    When Bob the Builder spends a few years in jail as the ho of Ralph the Rapist, other business owners just might get the idea.

  34. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    It remains my belief that immigration is a federal, not state issue. While the employer sanctions may well be held to be enforceable, I’ve some questions as to the effect of the application of the preemption doctrine on some of the other aspects of the legislation adopted in other states. It appears that the legislation introduced by Sen. Palmer avoids these more problematic areas.

    If I am correct about preemption, and SAVE or something resembling it does pass the Congress at some point, then there will be no “sanctuary state” problems; all states will face the same problems. Just my opinion, as always.

  35. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “Gays and illegal immigration are the least of our worries.”

    Gays are functioning contributing members of our society and last I heard legal citizens of the USA.

    Illegals are criminals who have broken the laws of the USA, have created havoc and strain in small school districts and hospitals across our nation, and are costing all of us. Enforcement of the law is costing us in regards to illegal criminals.

    I don’t see your connection between illegal criminals who have deliberately broken into our nation and spit at our laws - and gays.

  36. Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    There is no illegal immigration problem, there’s a illegal employer problem. If there weren’t businesses hiring the immigrants then they wouldn’t reside here. The meat plants hire a lot of them, in Wichita some of the recycling companies that got busted for manipulating the weights were caught with illegal immigrants (and I’ll bet they’ll happily buy stolen copper wire too).

    Peggy could do what Reagan did and give them all amnesty. From all the Reaganubation that I hear from the Republican candidates they are in favor of it. I say we should go after the employers, the ones who profit from illegal immigration. But Palmer calling people who want to work for a living terrorists, that’s just insane. But Peggy Palmer hasn’t always been the most mentally stable.

  37. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Both parties are criminals Doug. The illegal immigrant and the employer hiring them.

    We should put them in the same cell. One for trial, the other for deportation.

  38. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    “I don’t see your connection between illegal criminals who have deliberately broken into our nation and spit at our laws - and gays.”

    OBVIOUSLY I was referring to the fact that both represent about 4% of the population.

    The Republic Party wants a Federal Constitution ban on gay marriage, so OBVIOUSLY the Republics are fixated on gays.

    Now if we could just get them to FIXATE on the deficits and National Debt.

  39. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Palmer is a Republic.

    I love it.

    Kiss the Latino vote goodbye, Republics.

  40. sursum
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Vaughn: Sealing off the borders north and south might be possible but what about the border between Alaska and the Yukon it’s as long as the Mexican border and I would think, a lot tougher to cover. Then there is the coastline of which the Great Lakes is a huge part. I can’t imagine how the sealing could be done unless there is some new technology about to surface.

  41. mrcontroversy
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    You know what you paranoids have done???
    My fiancee is trying to enter this country LEGALLY. We are playing by the rules.
    And now? According to MSNBC, ICE has stopped processing new visa applications because they’ve supposedly run out of money.
    Why? Because they’ve shot their load trying to keep the wingnuts happy with “border protection”.
    Get real people!
    a) You can’t stuff 12 million people in the back of Bubba’s pickemup truck;
    b) You can’t enforce the law if the same people who say that keep writing “flavor-of-the-month” exemptions that the illegals can use to stay in this country because the courts say the authorities have to prove a negative to send them home.

  42. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    sursum, you’re picking up on my point that I was making in a most understated manner. Namely, to be effective, more than the “southern” border needs to be sealed (yes, I firmly believe that those coming in response to the “Help Wanted; Inquire Within” fictional signs and ignoring the “Keep Out” ones will try anything to get here) to be effective. When faced with that, which I believe is reality, and the costs of attempting this, it’s my belief that this which is called “amnesty” will occur.

    MrC makes a very good point above; so long as ICE is spending its resources trying to “close the border” (and we see how well that is coming along), it cannot carry out the rest of its statutory functions. This, too, I believe will result in something resembling the SAVE bill passing through Congress. The pressure for this (sorry, mrc, but you and your fiancee are small potatoes in this) will be brought by the business interests who want to import workers for their particular needs, and who are likely making campaign coffers a bit more full.

    So, IMHO, the trick is to cause the “Help Wanted” signs to be removed while keeping the “Keep Out” signs in place. My perception is that this will occur only if more vigorous enforcement of existing laws happens against those employing those here unlawfully; I really don’t see this occurring any time soon.

  43. rs
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    In reading the last few posts I concur:

    If the government would (or would have) done it’s job by enforcing all the current laws, we would have an effecent visa system that would serve everyone’s need like it was intended.

    Instead we allow all 12-20 million people to flood to jobs they should not have and it stops the whole system in it’s tracks!!

  44. rs
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    In talking about Republicans and Democrats- It seems there are enough greedy employers of all parties in this case.

  45. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    rs, agree; there are enough “greedy employers” in both parties, it seems to me.

    I perceive almost all of us benefit from the presence of the illegal aliens here, BTW. Whether it is the ability to purchase fresh produce, pay a bit less than what we might otherwise need to pay for meat, etc., we’re getting a benefit. Just my opinion.

  46. Regular
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    You didn’t get one of those “Mail Order Brides” from Russia did ya Mr. C? :)

  47. mrcontroversy
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Not that I didn’t try :)
    My sweetie is from the Philippines… I met her when I was over there last year (ostensibly, to marry another woman).

  48. Right Angle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    The Eagle just might be concerned who they will be able to get to deliver the newspaper for pennies if illegal aliens are driven out of Kansas. The also just might be concerned about their advertising income if businesses lose the illegal aliens dollar!
    The Eagle just might be looking at their bottom line and with no concern for your.

  49. Right Angle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Corrections in spelling

    The Eagle just might be concerned who they will be able to get to deliver the newspaper for pennies if illegal aliens are driven out of Kansas. They also just might be concerned about their advertising income if businesses lose the illegal aliens dollar!
    The Eagle just might be looking at their bottom line and with no concern for yours.

  50. fleetwood
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    You would think that the dems would be in favor of stopping illegal immigration. The illegals are, after all, taking jobs from democrats. Their base.
    Wake up!

  51. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    “Palmer didn’t propose any of the things listed.”

    Bullshit. We had a thread on it a while back. The banning baggy pants thing. And she did propose a new state critter of some sort a few years ago as a
    learning experience for ks school kids.

    YOU need to get YOUR facts correct.

  52. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Oops, you are right, and I stand corrected.

    It was Peggy Mast from Emporia, not Peggy Palmer.

    I apologize to Peggy Palmer.

  53. rs
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    good night

  54. Concerned Emporian
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Opponents to the Palmer bill promote unvarified facts while proponents have verified and proven facts. However, what about the effect of not passing this type of legislation. The illegals will be used by big business and small for profit and left on the outside of society with no legal protections. This law will finally force us to deal with the issue. If we really need their labor let us do it legally which will not drive down wages for our citizens and them. Illegality is bad for all concerned and must be dealt with not ignored. This law will also save the taxpayer millions in the state of Kansas.

  55. sursum
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    The guys on the northern borders have a minimum wage around $10.00 and hour and a socialist support system, medical insurance etc., that makes it stupid to immigrate for low US wages as cheap labor. Are you thinking terrorists or job stealing by them?

  56. RS
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    sursum,

    equal consideration for all.

  57. Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m wondering how many other people think Peggy Palmer is a laughing stock when she lists immigrants on par with terrorists. My ex-girlfriend’s brother forgets his green card and he’s on the same level as Osama Bin Laden. My Canadian friend almost forgot to renew her visa so she could have made Palmer’s list of those who are a huge threat to America.

    Somehow I think her xenophobic nativist paranoia only works on the stupid.

  58. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    “You didn’t get one of those “Mail Order Brides” from Russia did ya Mr. C?”

    This question from McCluer, who, in truth, would be happy to get a female, of any species, from another pasture….

  59. sursum
    Posted February 20, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Doug: Canadians need a visa? Wow that’s new.

  60. RS
    Posted February 20, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    http://crokansas.com/19.html
    Check it out.

  61. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 20, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    RS, follow the money. I think the bill will not get out of committee (see list of opponents).

  62. rs
    Posted February 20, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    If it does not get out of committee, there will be some Senators held accountable.

  63. Boxlock
    Posted February 20, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Illegal Aliens Cause Massive Cuts for US Seniors.
    http://www.rense.com/general79/seniors.htm

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
    each year. http://www.tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
    such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
    education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
    English! http://www.transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
    American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    http://www.transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to inca rcerate illegal aliens.
    http://www.transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    http://www.transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare
    and Social Services by the American taxpayers.
    http://www.premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
    by the ill egal aliens.
    http://www.transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
    two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in
    the US . http://www.transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
    that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
    from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
    heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from t he Southern border.
    Homeland Security Report. http://www.tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of
    mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
    cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”
    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
    their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
    Crime s Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States “.
    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    Total cost is a whooping… $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

    If this doesn’t bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it.

    Snopes is provided for doubters:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/bankofamerica.asp

  64. Posted February 21, 2008 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    “sursum
    Doug: Canadians need a visa? Wow that’s new.”

    Actually it isn’t. If a Canadian moves to America to live and work they need a visa. That’s why applications ask if you are a resident of the United States. If not, then you need the proper paperwork hence all the crap about illegal immigrants working in America. Canada is, if you weren’t aware, a foreign country.

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