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They are looking at their cut of the 3600 Million $$’s for the Sedwick County “Pasture Fans” called the Holcomb Project, by comparison. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com

Looks like new AG Six is wasting no time trying to get the water Kansas is owed, and deserves, from Nebraska. Good for him. At least ONE person in Topeka realizes how important this is to the entire state.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KS_WATER_DISPUTE_KSOL-?SITE=KSSAL&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Funny thing, I didnt see this in the WE, but then I can only get the on line version.

Don’t know how accurate the numbers are but The Eagle says there were 500 people at Jabara Airport yesterday to see Huckabee and 350 went to see McCain. Those numbers are close to the number of Democrats at Newman U (ONE of the caucus location last Tuesday!). Also, 200 (again Eagle estimate) went to a rally in support of Ron Paul.

It will be very interesting to see numbers on today’s Republican caucus attendance!

I know what a great ambassador bushco has been for the Democratic Party!

Flash … late breaking news. Its 9:30 AM on Saturday morning. I just came from Century II trying to attend the Republican caucus. THE LINE EXTENDS FROM CENTURY II CLEAR OVER TO MAIN STREET, THEN SOUTH FOR A BLOCK OR TWO INTO THE WATER WALK AREA. MUST BE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THAT LINE.

Wichita Republicans must be sending a message but at this point don’t know what it is.

I will return at about 10:30 AM to stand in line and try to get in to cast my vote for John McCain.

Amazing!

Nothing like a bunch of excited, determined Democrats to get those Republicans going? (giggle!)

I’ve looked all over my keyboard, but I can’t find that Hee hee hee hee heee…. key. Anybody know where it is?

Dexter, it’s right next to the “Any” Key LOL

I think it’s one of those things you must “feel,” and some of us are feeling it lately! hee hee hee

Ya know us touchy feeley folks.

I guess the Reublicans just couldnt find a “smoke filled” room?? LOL

“You all wanted those against BushCo and the War, arrested, and found guilty of Treason, and executed or at least life in prison!!”

Actually, Randal “Duke” Cunningham, (R-California) said exactly that – that those against the War, liberals and Democrats, should be lined up against a wall and shot. He wasn’t the only one, either.

Duke is now lined up against a wall himself – serving eight years in prison for accepting bribes.

Taz, I still feel the high from last Tuesday evening! And my plan is to continue the “gloating and self congratulations” to November and BEYOND. I wouldn’t expect less from anyone of any party. I’m really excited about the Democratic Party choices and even more excited about the fact that we will be a very unified force to be dealt with come November.

Linda–And I do not fault you for your enthusiasm and political high. I find fault with ksfrmgl denigrating the other party, as if they are not entitled to the exact same type of euphoria.

Yeah, but we all have times where we post something “in the moment.” Or, I do! I won’t like reading the Republicans lovefest later today and throughout the next several months. I don’t like reading the seemingly divided Democratic Party comments but am holding tight to the unified feeling from last Tuesday. I talked to lots of excited people who ALL agreed to agree with our final nominee AND better yet, without disappointment. I’ll need to hold tighter in the next few days, but I know I can do it!

Taz, I’m just rolling my eyes at you.

“AS if the Dems didn’t “come back gloating from their lovefest”…?”

AS IF I havent been critical of democrats too.

Woof.

And Pmom. Welcome to the gay world, where EVERY bit of progress is in SPITE of the legislature, not because of it.

And Taz, here’s one for you.

There were more republicans in the kansas legislature that voted AGAINST the hate amendment than democrats.

Does that make your little hurt feelings better?

jesus WEPT!

“Strange as it sounds, that kind of panic button seemed to work in some places…”

Hell Chas, it still does! Tippy was here a while back argueing about it. And that was on a thread about gays in the military!

I had dinner last night with a friend from Iowa and SHE commented on how much more backward Kansas was.

Than Iowa.

woof.

And Taz? Why TF are you not caucusing today? Did you crossover? heheheheheheheh

If you ever bothered reading previous posts instead of just looking for targets, you would know that I am not a registered Republican. Or Democrat. I don’t follow either party line, since I find them hard to tell apart at times.

That position, of course, has resulted in various insults from Capn..even tho I have walked hundreds of blocks, participated in phone banks, raised funds, etc., for individual candidates in the past. Some Democratic, some Republican.

Nor have I stated any preference for any candidate. I do not support/defend the current disgusting administration and its illegal actions in Iraq. I am scared of any candidate that supports it. I do not trust Clintons and I just don’t know enough about Obama.

So, why in the world would I support/endorse/or belong to any particular party? I have never supported either political party in my life, and am far too old to do so now. I just love bagging on extremists and countering their totally ridiculous “arguments”.

“a friend from Iowa and SHE commented on how much more backward Kansas was.”

Jeez, just when we thought that Kansas was moving up to the second grade level when it came to being progressive.

Kinda tells you how much work is left to be done.

Seventy percent of Kansans voted FOR the ban on gay marriage – I am not sure, but that certainly puts us WAAAAAAAY down on the map.

Christ, even Arizona defeated a ban on gay marriage.

Even South Dakota defeated a ban on abortion.

Kansas, not quite as bigoted as Mississippi.

What a state moto.

“I just love bagging on extremists and countering their totally ridiculous “arguments”.”

And if you bothered to read MY posts you would know I’m no longer a democrat and I am FREQUENTLY at odds with them.

Just ask Kelly.

I get it. You dont care anymore about my posts than I do about yours. So what?

Feel free to scroll on by.

Pmom, here is a great post about the elephant in the room this election that no one is talking about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×4500734

you go to a rep caucus to find more of them support obama in ks? yeah that’s a place for real biased observation.

Chas.,

Back up you claims or admit to being a liar. You wrote:

“It’s amazing how much you people were FOR silence and punishment, when Democrats attempted to speak out AGAINST the war… You all wanted those against BushCo and the War, arrested, and found guilty of Treason, and executed or at least life in prison!!”

Prove it.

PM, I already posted an answer to your question – one of your Republican heroes – a dyed in the wool Republican representative from Congress, stated without equivocation that he thought Democrats and liberals should be “lined up against a wall and shot” for being anti-war.

What else do you need?

Oh well, it was encouraging to see the turn out.
On a grander scale yes it was Regular, I am quite happy to see both parties having a turn out. It has long been one of my greatest complains “voter Apathy” After going through a Caucus and knowing something of what the Democrats had gone through. The fact that it was a high turn out by both shows that perhaps once again the people are wanting to take this country back from the Politicians.

If the weather had been like during the dem. caucus, how long do you think the line would have been then!

“Actually, Randal “Duke” Cunningham, (R-California) said exactly that – that those against the War, liberals and Democrats, should be lined up against a wall and shot. He wasn’t the only one, either.”

But that doesn’t mean Proudman said it. Hanging Crooked Cunningham’s comments on anyone who is a conservative is like hanging some guy in Canada’s comments on anyone who argues that global warming is a very legitimate concern.

“I missed the part where Duke Cunningham spoke for me. Back it up. Show that I endorsed his statement or admit to being a liar.”

I don’t think WS is Chas. Furthermore, your outrage rings somewhat hollow considering this is what elicited Chas.’s (bad) rejoinder:

“Posted February 8, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
Let the global warming religious inquisition begin!

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=290513

“Jail the ‘deniers’! Those who disagree must be silenced and punished!”

Please indicate where this guy speaks for me or other people who take the evidence for global warming seriously.

In other words, take the damn plank out of your own eye first, wiseguy.

ksagnostic,

Read my post. I never said he spoke for anyone. The jail the deniers comment is basically what he said. He being David Suzuki, a prominent voice in Canada.

There is no plank in my eye. I don’t like being smeared.

I do appreciate your attempts to say ‘hey the whole thing is silly, let it go’. I believe I will. After all, it’s more fun to let the dishonest show who they are than to actually talk to them.

Note: I don’t wsclark is chas., but then I don’t really care about that either.

Man, was I ever wrong. So much for my ever predicting an election again. Had no clue that Huckabee could get more than even 20%, let alone over 60.
Simply amazing…and I thought that Kansas kicked out the ultra conservatives last election. Maybe they are coming back…?

Scary.

Seems to me that was what Dr. Suzuki was reacting to as well… the Duke Cunningham types…

“Taz” –

When you posted you “…Had no clue that Huckabee could get more than even 20%, let alone over 60,” I was pretty convinced you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The Kansas Republic Party has done nothing but deny any but the twice-born from having any say in the party’s operations.

The Kansas Republic Party caucuses are revealing. In any other year, once a front-runner were decided, the sheelple GOP would gather together to prove to the world they are a unified force. But not the evangelicals. McCain’s “straight talk” told ‘em a long time ago what he really thought of ‘em. And they’ll sit at home and pray rather than vote for him in November.

Kansas Republic Party caucus participants just reinforced the rest of the nation’s prejudice against Kansas.

Kansas today just voted for American jobs to never come back, for illegal immigrants to never go home, and another hundred years of war in Iraq.

Uh…MH? I already said I was wrong. I apologize for not being perfect like you are. I admitted I have no future in political forecasting and was completely wrong.

What do you expect now..shall I cut off my arm or something?

And Krazy Kris Kobach PROMISED the Republican caucus would get more than the Dems!
GOP=20,009
Dem=29,000
And, at each of the Sedgwick County Democratic sites, an average of 170 registrations–most of them Republicans changing to Democrat.
6 sites x 170=1,020
That’s over 25 percent of the turnout for the Republican caucus in Sedgwick County.
Frankly, I didn’t think Kansas would outperform Iowa… where 17 percent of the REPUBLICANS caucused with the DEMOCRATS… but it looks like we did!
What say you, my hard-line Republican friends?

MrC,

I would say the only statistic that matters is the on that occurs in November. :)

Ummm From what I have read, a Flat Tax, is NOT the same thing as the Fair Tax proposed by Huckabee, Neal Boortz, et al… Lots of difference there…

M H — Does that 25% include State Sales Tax, or not?? I dont remember?? If it doesnt, then it will be like 32% for every purchase…

Yeeeeah. Good luck with that “fair-tax” thing. Same taxing, different name.

Well, then, MH, looks to me like the Fair Tax just plain fairly Sucks!!

Wow, and given that republicans register 2:1 in Kansas, and had HALF the turnout, on a day that the weather was good, and the dem caucuses were held in blizzards and ice…

Maybe Kansas really will turn purple. Or.. dare I say it… blue?

Sounds like the democratic caucuses in Nebraska didnt go any better than in Kansas. One of the comments echoed mine about “dont they read the papers?”

Or… as I hinted before, is some of it planned?

Makes ya wonder why Hillary does so well in primaries and obama does so well at caucuses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×4503818

I work with a couple guys who are, or were, fairly active in Virginia GOP politics. One’s wife is currently a committeewoman for the Norfolk City VRP Unit Committee, or so I hear. The other guy’s a Mormon, and at least in my office the local GOP die-hard think Huckleberry is a joke. The Mormon finds him “scary;” they were all pulling for Romney big time. These guys were crushed, and I mean nearly to tears, on Thursday when he pulled the plug at CPAC. There was a planning manager visiting nearby and you’d a thought somebody stole his teddy bear or something when the resident Kraut liberal told him the Romney news. “What are we going to do now?” he asked, and there’s no other way to describe his tone than “plaintively.” Dude was bummed.

According the the husband of the wife who’s a minor majordomo among the Republics here in Hampton Roads, nobody who’s anybody will vote for Huckabee this Tuesday. Or McCain for that matter. Our primary is open, and I hear that the plan is for Republics to cross over and vote for Clinton, if they like McCain and think they could vote for him in November, or Obama if they don’t. According to these guys, no “good” Republic is actually going to vote in the Republic primary here. Huckabee is a hillbilly, and McCain is just beneath ‘em. Ron Paul ain’t even on the radar here in E. Virginia.

Yall might take that into account when you start trying to extract meaning from comparing Democrat turnout to Republic turnout. Probably some of the RINO’s there turned out for Obama.

36,723 to be exact.

My bad :)

My hubby’s theory on Ron Paul’s support in votes not seeming to equal his support in money and popularity is that he might be compared to the one you didn’t bring home to Mama.

Good as any explanation! Many have been wondering why those many contributors don’t translate to votes.

Chas, he won’t stop running until we stop giving him money. And that won’t happen. What is going on is much bigger than Dr. Paul himself and we’ve always known that he’d have no chance at the nod. We wanted REAL issues injected into the debates. Although he was cheated out of debate time, his time was well spent. If not for Dr. Paul there would be NO talk of the Fed and IRS. All would be concentrated on talk of “lowering” taxes or rebates. Never bringing up the inherent problems and trying to cure them, only keeping them medicated and buried and ignored. Anyhoo, expect this to stay around and remain alive and well.

I have apprecciated parts of Dr. Paul’s message and do completely agree that he got the shaft! But he isn’t someone I could ever vote for.

Ron Paul=Ralph Nader?

Well, only as a confusing force in a close election maybe. But in any other respect I find “Ron Paul=Ralph Nader” and insult to Ralph Nader!

Ralph Nader is a tremendous consumer and environmental advocate.

Ron Paul is an advocate of a sort of government that hasn’t been practical as to this country since about 1900.

“The media black out. The media refuse to utter his name.”

I have noticed that…But quite honestly, Kucinich and Richardson never got great coverage either, and neither did Sen. Gravel.. so, Ron Paul wasnt singled out for “ignore” status

Ron Paul will potentially do the same thing for the Republicans.

If he runs as a third party he will destroy the Republican chances like Ralph Nader did for Gore and Ross Perot did for Bush senior.

Ralph Nader = Ross Perot = Ron Paul

Thats right on the evangelists… his campaign has a pseudo-evangelical revival style to it!! Sort of like going to an Amway sales meeting…

Sort of a problem there Lindda

From Bush, Foe of Earmarks, Similar Items
By ROBERT PEAR

Published: February 10, 2008

WASHINGTON — President Bush often denounces the propensity of Congress to earmark money for pet projects. But in his new budget, Mr. Bush has requested money for thousands of similar projects.

He asked for money to build fish hatcheries, eradicate agricultural pests, conduct research, pave highways, dredge harbors and perform many other specific local tasks.

The details are buried deep in the president’s budget, just as most Congressional earmarks are buried in obscure committee reports that accompany spending bills.

Thus, for example, the president requested $330 million to deal with plant pests like the emerald ash borer, the light brown apple moth and the sirex woodwasp. He sought $800,000 for the Neosho National Fish Hatchery in Missouri and $1.5 million for a waterway named in honor of former Senator J. Bennett Johnston, a Louisiana Democrat.

At the same time, Mr. Bush requested $894,000 for an air traffic control tower in Kalamazoo, Mich.; $12 million for a parachute repair shop at the American air base in Aviano, Italy; and $6.5 million for research in Wyoming on the “fundamental properties of asphalt.”

He sought $3 million for a forest conservation project in Minnesota, $2.1 million for a neutrino detector at the South Pole and $28 million for General Electric and Siemens to do research on hydrogen-fuel turbines.

The projects, itemized in thousands of pages of budget documents submitted last week to the House and Senate Appropriations Committees, show that the debate over earmarks is much more complex than the “all or nothing” choice usually presented to the public. The president and Congress both want to direct money to specific projects, but often disagree over the merits of particular items.

The White House contends that when the president requests money for a project, it has gone through a rigorous review — by the agency, the White House or both — using objective criteria.

Congressional leaders said they would focus more closely on items requested by the president this year. “The executive branch should be held accountable for its own earmark practices,” said the House Republican leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said Democrats agreed that “the large number of presidential earmarks deserve the same scrutiny and restraint” as those that originated in Congress.

Mr. Bush has often derided Congressional earmarks as “special interest items” that waste taxpayer money and undermine trust in government. Congress, he said, included more than 11,700 earmarks totaling almost $17 billion in spending bills for the current fiscal year.

But some of those earmarks were similar or identical to ones included in the 2009 budget that Mr. Bush sent Congress last week. For example, Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Democratic whip, obtained an earmark of $1.5 million last year to deal with the emerald ash borer, a beetle that attacks trees, lawns and crops. Mr. Bush now wants more money to fight that insect.

A similar pattern is evident at the Bureau of Reclamation, an Interior Department agency that provides water and power in 17 states. Congress and the White House both support construction of a huge water project known as Mni Wiconi, which would deliver water from the Missouri River to rural South Dakota.

At the behest of South Dakota lawmakers, Congress earmarked $38 million for the project last year. In its budget justification for 2009, the bureau requests $779 million for more than 150 specific projects, including $26 million more for the one in South Dakota.

Similarly, the Bush administration is requesting money for a water project near the Nueces River in South Texas — the same project that benefited from a bipartisan Congressional earmark last year.

In effect, the president accepted some Congressional earmarks as worthy of continued federal support. But he rejected many more and sought no money for them in 2009.

The White House defines “earmarks” in a way that applies only to projects designated by Congress, not to those requested by the administration.

“Earmarks,” as defined by the White House, “are funds provided by Congress for projects or programs where the Congressional direction (in bill or report language) circumvents the merit-based or competitive allocation process, or specifies the location or recipient, or otherwise curtails the ability of the executive branch to properly manage funds.”………………..

Continued:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/washington/10earmark.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

“Did someone forget to tell Dr. Paul’s “evangelists” they need to go to the polls and cast votes? It’s such a mystery to me how a person with so many supporters can get so few votes. Isn’t the large amount of money supposed to be from many every day little guys?”

That’s a very good question. I have no real answer to it. I know what Sol thinks.

However, I have always been surprised in general that the Libertarian party isn’t a stronger factor in American politics, considering the number of liberatian types I have run into through the years.

He doesn’t get “real votes” because he offers “real change” and most people say that’s what they want, but they are mortified of the unknown and so they resort to accepting lip service as “real change”.

Hmmmm interesting… but then, why does Obama seem to do pretty good with his concepts of “Change”??

“The message of freedom is as valid today as it was in 1900.”

Quite frankly, I don’t think Ron Paul’s message is the one of freedom that you think it is. He would cede a lot of authority back to states, and contrary to the conventional wisdom of some liberarian thinkers, that is arguably a road to reducing the freedoms of citizens. The smaller a representative government, the more tyrannical it can become on a lot of issues, little and big.

Seriously, think about it. For many homeowners, for example, the worst, most petty tyrants come in the form of homeowner’s associations, or city hall. Of course one can come up with examples from federal level bureaucracies (especially ill considered one size fits all laws) but the worst examples of freedom denied in American history, on the things that matter, come from state and smaller level governments (e.g., Jim Crow laws, instituting religion, even, dare I say it, a patchwork of gun laws).

KsAgnostic says >>>>

“He would cede a lot of authority back to states, and contrary to the conventional wisdom of some liberarian thinkers, that is arguably a road to reducing the freedoms of citizens.”

And that is why I said the other day, I see Ron Paul as a very dangerous candidate!!

Or, say one state decided to allow abortions and another outlawed them. A citizen from the state they were outlawed went to the other state for an abortion. Would she be allowed to go home without fear of facing criminal charges? Would the state law only pertain to what happens inside its border? Oh so many questions when “things” are left to the states.

Maybe we could just STOP trying to legislate morals all the way around and have a better effect than Dr. Paul’s ideas would bring!

If Dr. Paul ran now on a third party ticket, sorry I would not be voting for him. As a main stream candidate he would have been effective if the people had been listening. His is not just a conservative or Republican message. It is an American message, it would be a benefit to Republicans, Democrats and every human being in the United States perhaps the world. But as it stand we are not listening, that means we will have to fall down to the end of the country before and even if then we realize what he was saying is what made this the home of the brave and the land of the free. But then all good things must end….

“If Dr. Paul ran now on a third party ticket, sorry I would not be voting for him. As a main stream candidate he would have been effective if the people had been listening. His is not just a conservative or Republican message. It is an American message, it would be a benefit to Republicans, Democrats and every human being in the United States perhaps the world.”

I don’t agree much at all with Ron Paul’s message, but it would make for an interesting campaign if his ideas got more air in the general election. If Wayne Allyn Root and the other LP candidates were really smart, they would invite Ron Paul to come home and run as their candidate (hell, he did it before). With his money, the LP could truly run a national campaign.

Ksagnostic, it would depend on one factor, are we the same people we were a hundred years ago?
I have thought about that and as I have said before I have been proven wrong. Having faith that the people have grown pass some petty discriminations moving more to reason instead of the dark ages. And granted with some of the examples I am sure you can site. It would appear to not be the case, in fact it could be argued that we have regressed to a more primitive form. The thinkers of the Neoconservatives believe that we can not handle freedom and that is the problem with our society. There for it is best that we remain ignorant and child-like. Allowing other whom are smarter to think for us, that is where the Government comes in and why we are no longer truly a free people. Needing the Government to be a Benevolent dictator for us. And there seem little interest in proving them wrong is there?

True Kansas, but they want you to BELIEVE otherwise!! :roll:

SolDevVB posted February 9, 2008 at 9:27 pm

“Yeah cause the economy and forien policy takr a back seat to GW.”

SolDevVB should do a reality check. AGW is driving… higher energy efficiency and renewables are navigating. The future “economy and forien policy” depend on both the “driver” and “navigator”.

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ksagnostic,

Watch out, or SolDevVB will call you a dumb “f—tard”! That’s his best way of promoting Ron Paul.

Well, it is Sat. nite…

Good night; Good luck; and God
Bless, Whatever you conceive God to be!

Blessings All!!

Including Econ’s grand-daughter

Hey “American way”?

Join your money on the island you hid it on.

If you’ve no obligation to your fellow American than they have no obligation to you.

And I’d hate to say this since I was a Ron Paul supporter, but his views and positions are grounded in the past, and you can tell when he speaks he’s afraid of the current direction of progress, if he were president, we probably would see a real economic depression that rivals the Great Depression if we really went back to the Gold Standard. I greatly admire him, but he’s out of touch.

Don’t let the anti-globalization people scare you,

you can’t stop evolution.

words of truth

peace

“If you’ve no obligation to your fellow American than they have no obligation to you.”

Amen to that. Let’s vote in politicians who support that view.

That would NOT include Billary Clinton.

I totally agree with that, and so did Strauss, Strauss said that trying to control the middle east is pointless, he even pointed out that Rome over-stretched themselves in miserable failure trying to tame the middle east. Apparently his students didn’t listen to him and became overly ambitious. There are stages of development societies need to go through historically before they reach an evolved state of democracy, and what the Bush administration tried to do was go from point A, to point C, so it is likely we’ll be in Iraq a very long time while they naturally evolve through point B. Over ambitious undertakings usually fail.

I could care less about promoting Democracy, I want to get to the point where that word isn’t even used. We’re a Republic, not a democracy. I don’t get why we try and promote mob rule to all of these country’s. I wouldn’t want that shit and they don’t either. Correction…I thought we were a Republic, only to find out that we’re an oligarchy at best and a plutocracy at worst. I’m gonna say it’s actually both. But most definitely not a Republic that our flag is supposed to “stand for”. Gimme a break.