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Read this (if you want)

by Kurt Nimmo
Truth News

Case closed. You don’t need any more evidence there is little substantive difference between “conservatives” (neocons) and “liberals” (neolibs) than the pronouncements of the Queen of Hateful Shrill, Ann Coulter, the “author” who registers to vote in multiple jurisdictions and gets away with it.

Hillary is “more conservative” than John McCain, the Manchurian candidate who hates “gooks,” mostly because the Bilderberg Queen and selectee of preference by the Rothschilds and the elite is more on track with the neocon and neoliberal plan to kill recalcitrant Muslims, break their countries into manageable pieces along tribal and ethnic lines, and impose IMF and World Bank schemes on them and thus steal their natural resources and reduce them to slave labor gulag inmates à la “communist” China.

Coulter “absolutely” believes Queen Hillary will be “stronger on the war on terrorism,” that is to say not only killing people who have the misfortune of living in “rogue nations,” but decimating what remains of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Obviously, for Coulter and the neocons, who will soon enough throw their support behind Clinton, McCain’s crude forever war pronouncements are not enough. But then, of course, McCain is but window dressing for the stampede to “elect” Hillary, an expensive circus sideshow designed to make the American people think there is a “democratic” process in the United States and that they actually have a say in who will be the next decider-commander. Not explained is why the elite feel compelled to continue this transparent charade. Nostalgia, maybe?

In order to pretend there is a difference of opinion in regard to Hillary Clinton’s impending anointment as president, Sean Hannity tells us Hillary will “nationalize health care” and “pull the troops out of Iraq,” never mind Clinton is an unabashed warmonger who voted to kill a million plus Iraqis and has repeatedly stated her desire to do likewise to grandmothers and toddlers in Iran. Coulter disagrees and actually tells the truth: the positions of Republicans and Democrats, she avers, are “about that far apart,” and she makes the point by showing us a very small space between her thumb and forefinger.

Hannity’s role as straight man to Coulter’s snake oil dance is obvious enough on its face and his supposed protestation is entirely theatrical as his boss, Rupert Murdoch, has hosted Clinton fundraisers in the not too distant past. This “interfaith ménage,” opines Forbes, redraws “America’s political lines” and is nothing if not Bismarckian realpolitik.

Oh, please. It should be obvious by now to an astute grade school student of current events that the whole thing is rigged and choreographed — albeit rather shoddily — and Coulter is nothing if not a well-paid shill who is tasked with promoting whatever candidate our rulers want. Hillary Clinton and her VP, Barack Obama, will rule the roost in politically correct fashion — as brainwashed liberals are locked in the gender and race vice and dare not complain, lest they be expelled from the herd — and the so-called conservatives, actually GWB bumper sticker neocons, will be brought into the fold by the likes of Coulter, the Queen of Mean.

Of course, Hannity and Limbaugh will play the part of the disgruntled opposition, as Clinton hatred smolders fiercely at the root of the base, and they will be paid handsomely for their petty and operatic disagreement, which is less than meaningless, to say the least, but necessary to assuage the hurt feelings of the aforementioned GWB neocon followers.

John McCain will be selected as the Republican nominee for one reason above all others — to drive an appreciable number of “conservatives” into Camp Hillary. McCain, the Manchurian candidate and Keating Five associate, is ugly and unpalatable enough to accomplish this and the neocon flag-waving base is stupid enough to buy into it and remain none the wiser for the next eight years.

BUT BUT he is a Neo-con too! I heard it yesterday, he wants to “bring security to the world” Isn’t that like bring “Democracy” with out the Voting?
He sure sounded like a Neocomservative to me, between the lines ” If it take the last American soldier to envoke my will on the people of the world whether they want it or not!”.

Leonard Pitts nails it about the dishonest equalization between Democrats of the early 1960’s and Democrats of today, and Republicans of the early 1960’s and the “conservative” wing of the Republican party today:

http://www.kansas.com/205/story/301037.html

Then you want civil war.

And when that starts to happen, in comes UN peace keepers and then the end of American soveriegnty. Wlah! World Guvment!

Especially illegal immigrant healthcare.

Yeah pleefer, now the cockroaches crawl up your ass!

The world will go on with or without you Pleefer. Quit whining and get on with your life.

“Then you want civil war.”

That don’t sound so bad to me either.

Maybe you can be on Exxons team “Pleefer”.

Feeling nervous are ya?

Pleefer, your already paying for it. You pay for it every time you go to the doctor… You pay for it with your taxes… You pay for every single person who doesn’t have insurance and go to the emergency room because they get so bad, they are about to die when all they needed was a shot or some pills.

Why not have a system that prevents illness??? Gives the homeless and the uninsured insurance?

Oh, and as for your statement about “get a job”. What about the person with a minimum wage job and cant afford insurance? What if it’s a decision between insurance and food tomorrow? What would you take?

Why should I have to pay for some lazy ass’ health care

Actually, I feel that way about the rich. They’re the only ones who really benefit from insurance. Poor folk get exempted, denied, rates raised, and booted whenever they try to stake a claim. Then again, we don’t have the extra cash on hand to weather a years-long court battle. We just have to float a loan to pay off what insurance should be paying in order to not lose our credit rating (poor as it is).

Can you tell I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with insurance companies?

Insurance is a scam and the rates are high because of bs frivolous lawsuits and BigPharma controlling healthcare. We medicate everyone for no reason. Parents are too lazy to control and teach the kids, so they all get Ritalin or other. We medicate for every little imagined illness.

Parents are too lazy to control and teach the kids, so they all get Ritalin or other

While there’s a lot of truth in that, try spending a week in an Interrelated classroom with the kids that actually NEED the ritalin are off their meds. Then tell me how teachers are so underpaid.

Kansas, you’d like to believe you “know how the World works”. Obviously, you’re a genius.

What is with all of the schizophrenia in this place?

No, Kansas, I will not “chill”. You wanted war with me and now I’ll deliver.

I will not “let go and let God”, remember, He helps those that help themselves? And you obviously want to help to hand my kids a bucket of sh.it country and I’ll fight fervently against you for that.

Hehehe–

Some of the reich-wing’s favorite websites and political pundits.

Check ‘em out:

Early in the year Real Clear Politics noted that “the conventional wisdom on Giuliani’s ability to capture the nomination is wrong. Not only can Giuliani win the GOP nomination, but as the Republican field sits today he has to be considered the favorite.” Dick Morris revealed that “Giuliani has moved out to a clear lead. … Conversations with conservative activists also show a remarkable openness to supporting Giuliani.” And according to The Swamp, he was the GOP frontrunner as recently as late October.

How many of us just KNEW that the 9-11 Commission Report was a flipping whitewash of BushCo blunders and errors?

Yup. We were right. Turns out no matter how low one’s estimation of Bush is, he always turns out to be even worse:

The Sept. 11 commission’s executive director had closer ties with the White House than publicly disclosed and tried to influence the final report in ways that the staff often perceived as limiting the Bush administration’s responsibility, a new book says.

Philip Zelikow, a friend of then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, spoke with her several times during the 20-month investigation that closely examined her role in assessing the al-Qaida threat. He also exchanged frequent calls with the White House, including at least four from Bush’s chief political adviser at the time, Karl Rove.

Zelikow once tried to push through wording in a draft report that suggested a greater tie between al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and Iraq, in line with White House claims but not with the commission staff’s viewpoint, according to Philip Shenon’s “The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation.”

Shenon, a New York Times reporter, says Zelikow sought to intimidate staff to avoid damaging findings for President Bush, who at the time was running for re-election, and Rice. Zelikow and Rice had written a book together in 1995 and he would later work for her after the commission finished its job and she became secretary of state in 2005.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hWQCjbQNbAq13eIw2NMreAthexSgD8UJ290G0

That, or he needed a message, Tony.

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Hey, Iraq dead-enders–

Check out the staying power of Commander Cod-Piece’s “surge”:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/349116_iraq29.html

Ambush kills 5 American soldiers in Iraq
Prime minister sends reinforcements to oust militants from Mosul
By KIM GAMEL AND QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

BAGHDAD — In a daring ambush, insurgents blasted a U.S. patrol with a roadside bomb Monday and showered survivors with gunfire from a mosque in increasingly lawless Mosul. Five American soldiers were killed in the explosion — even as Iraqi troops moved into the northern city to challenge al-Qaida in Iraq.

Iraqi reinforcements, along with helicopters, tanks and armored vehicles, converged on Mosul for what Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki pledged would be a decisive battle against al-Qaida in its last major urban stronghold.

The attack on the U.S. patrol — the deadliest on American forces since six soldiers perished Jan. 9 in a booby-trapped house north of Baghdad — raised the Pentagon’s January death count to at least 36.

The toll so far is 56 percent higher than December’s 23 U.S. military deaths and marks the first monthly increase since August.

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Let’s see . . . Mosul is the city in the North that used to be “safe.”

Well done, George WMD Bush, widening the war with no end in sight . . .

For heaven’s sake, don’t bomb Cambodia and Laos.

According to the FEC reports, these are the total number and amount of military donations for each of the presidential candidates*:

Ron Paul: 1160 $249k
John McCain: 438 $83k
Mike Huckabee: 126 $37k
Mitt Romney: 126 $24k
Barack Obama: 443 $76k
Hillary Clinton: 154 $41k

I’d like to see donations from military in Iraq.

A poll to-day shows Canadians look upon the following countries as having a negative affect on the world. China 13%, Iraq 19%, Iran 22% and the US 52%. In 2000 the same poll showed 87% of Canadians thinking America was THE major force for good in the world. Wow!

I’m downright disgusted by something that has recently happened in my hometown. There is a church, with a pastor that is more loving towards the whole congregation.

In this church there is a family whose family member is gay. The pastor shows support to this gay person instead of the normal kick em out and don’t speak to em. Not even the MOST conservative church in my town did this to one of their own. Some members leave the church over it.

As time goes on, the board members start making up reasons to get rid of pastor and it finally happened. Of course, everyone knows the REAL reason why this happened.

I know many in that church have gay family members, so what does that say to the rest of the congregation? Perhaps they should too, find a more caring place to be I guess. My grandmother belongs to this congregation and NO I didn’t get my info from her. But when I asked her about it she CRIED over it. She’s so sad.

Chas, you know which church I’m speaking of.

Pmom, I’m sorry for your grandmother and the folks in that church. Sounds like the elders would LOVE obama’s friend donnie mcclurkin and his other endorser, the bush spiritual adviser kirbyjon caldwell.

Someone said once that churches are one of the few groups that kill their wounded instead of nurturing them.

I guess that is what you are pointing out. Rather than nurture a hurting family and congregation, they’d rather just “cleanse” the body.

Makes ME want to cry too!

There’s one good point for Obama.

Goodness, $700 billion for the military in 2008. The Republicans sure do love increasing the budget for the sake of increasing the budget. In the meantime that means no increase in education and cuts in health care. Americans will get unhealthier and less educated but we’ll have a lot of guns to kill people in other countries. Billions are even being spent building more nuclear weapons. As if we really need more of those.

Bush is once again proving that Republicans are incompetent and shouldn’t be running our country.

“reinforces that all the politics y’all battle here means precisely DICK. You all don’t add up to dry shit. You vote doesn’t matter and you dumbasses don’t even care.”

It’s disgusting Sol. What are you gonna do when one political party refuses even a simple ID Card verification system?

Americans are fast loosing faith in their government. Once the majority “wake up” to voter fraud – it’s all over.

Amway, the problems sol mentions above would NOT be solved with any kind of voter id. Even a fingerprint.

Why pick on individual voters when the FRAUD is in the voting machines. Clean that up, and then folks might be willing to TALK about voter ids.

And BTW, I have children who are still registered to vote in two counties in Kansas (one at the university, where ACORN signed them up) and one in our home county.

They have all moved out of state: BUT THERE IS NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM FROM EACH VOTING TWICE.

Our own state needs to control/automate voter registration. There needs to be a cross-check between cities,precints,counties throughout the state to prevent duplicate registrations.

We should WANT to present a PHOTO ID, to ensure the integrity of our democratic process.

Think of how much fraud just that simple act would prevent? Think of the fraud in check writing and credit cards – a simple photo ID can prevent (not all of it, I know false ID cards are out there).

When you show your state drivers license, they could run it across the UPC code bar. Pull up the electronic copy of your state ID – and see if the photo’s match.

They also could find your name in any other city, county, in the state.

Sad, but the truth is: We want to be able to cheat.

Amway, the problems sol mentions above would NOT be solved with any kind of voter id. Even a fingerprint

I still think votes should be published. Anyone remember the 20/20 episode about 20 years ago when the ignorant schlub sued his city for firing him for the way he voted? No lawyer would take the case, but by self-educating himself, and 3 stabs at trial, he won his case.

AmWay,

As long as my name is on the registration list, I shouldn’t need any ID.

They checked all that when they registered me.

So what if some other woman goes to vote, points to your daughter’s name on the registration list and says “That’s me, Suzy Amway”.

It’s too difficult to get a photo ID.

And if I see my dead grandfather’s name on the voter registration list, I could vote under his name, then come back later and vote under my name

And you think that’s honest, or just that YOU’RE entitled?

I would add a thumbprint to that BG. Agreed.

All this imagined “voter fraud” might mean something if 130% of registered voters tended to show up at the polls.

As it happens in America, there’s about 30% of of eligible voters showing up on election day.

So how many people showing up at the polls are voting twice or three times? Got any evidence?

Talk about a non-issue.

“If I had been given any idea that the baby would be born alive after an abortion I would never have gone through with it. They coerced me. I have seen how society treats children with disabilities and it frightened me to bring another special needs child into the world, but somehow we would have coped with it.”
. . . a British mother, 44, who contracted the 21-week abortion death of her Down Syndrome daughter, who lived for 3 hours after the abortion
. . .
Britain’s National Health Service botched 66 taxpayer-funded abortions in one year. Half of the babies lived for an hour, some lived longer, one lived 10 hours. In these live-birth abortions, the newborns are given no medical treatment, because the mothers and quacks have decided that they should die, sometimes because of correctable conditions such as cleft palate and club feet.
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists recommends lethal injections for newborns who commit the distressing crime of surviving abortion and breathing. (Babies obtain oxygen through their umbilical cord before they are born, you know.)
Meanwhile, back in the USofA, Hog Futures Hillary will not rule out wage garnishing to force every wage-earner into her universal socialized health care plan, which might include abortions funded by garnished wages, and threatens to appoint federal judges to strike down federal and state bans on live-birth abortions and partial-birth abortions.
Some say we must vote for maverick McCain because he would be better than Hog Futures Hillary. That is true, but so would Ronald McDonald be a better President.

The Chinese RU-486 manufacturing plant owned by the Shanghai Hualian company, the company that allowed its tainted leukemia drug to paralyze hundreds, passed inspection in 2007; however, that was its only inspection in seven years, and no surprise inspections are allowed. In spite of hurried FDA approval of RU-486 after inadequate testing and safety restrictions, resulting in 13 deaths and hundreds of serious adverse affects, many life-threatening, the FDA is claiming no danger to the mothers contracting the killing of their children in American abortions mills, 13% of whom use RU-486.
Who’s running this cover-up?

““voter fraud” might mean something if 130% of registered voters”

And oh because not every voter shows up, it’s acceptable to have voter fraud?

What the Sam Heck does that have to do with the price of beans in China?

A little sin is O.K., with you? But only when its your party.

parkay — you cant blame that on the legality of abortion… BUT — you can blame it on the incompetency of the provider… get rid of the incompetent providers.

whose fault is it that dead voters are still on the registered voter list at the polling place??

Secondly, WHO has access to such a list of registered voters BEFORE the election??

IIRC, voters do not have direct access to the list of registered voters… only the polling place workers have that access…

Now, the problem was what??

How do they count registered voters?

From the election rolls.

AmWay gave examples where the same voters are registered in more then one location. I’m registered in all 3 counties I’ve lived in for the last 20 years. Yeah, I could vote 3 times.

So, if I’m counted as a registered voter 3 times, but vote 1 time, then only 33% of the registered voters named Max have voted.

Extend this to millions of voters, and it’s easy (except for the stupid) to see why only 50% of registered voters vote.

Obviously, there is limited verification of the voter registration rolls. How many dead are still registered? How many living are registered in more then one location?

For those who desire, they could registerd 50 times using their same name in different counties and no one would know.

ummm Max, your registration runs out every General Election time (Presidential that is)

Check the rules, eh??

Vaughn, a photo ID doesn’t solve the accuracy of the voter registration rolls. An audit process needs to be set-up, and with computerized records everywhere now, you wouldn’t think it would be too difficult to look for people registered more then once, or people who have died that are still registered.

The photo ID would prevent me from going to the polls and voting in my Grandfather’s name.

Usually when I vote, they have the printouts of voters in alpha order, you point to your name, do NOT show a photo ID, and vote. They put a little checkmark by the name you point to.

I could point to any name on the list that doesn’t have a checkmark, and they wouldn’t know any different. I could vote at the same precint 3 or 4 times in the same day, and they wouldn’t remember I came through before.

A photo ID would stop that type of fraud. It doesn’t stop all fraud.

Regular, that presumes that the holder of the ID has notified the appropriate authorities of any change of address and. in addition, paid the fee to have a new ID issued showing the new address (not necessary, so long as the Department of Revenue is notified of the change of address under the appropriate Kansas law).

Time for a truly independent investigation?
9/11 Commissioner: ‘We had to go through Karl Rove’ 4-Feb-08 02:22 pm From The Raw Story:

9/11 Commissioner: ‘We had to go through Karl Rove’
02/03/2008 @ 3:09 pm
Filed by Nick Langewis and David Edwards

Two recent segments delve into a new book that accuses the head of the ostensibly independent 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, of being beholden to the Bush Administration during his tenure.

The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation, by New York Times reporter Philip Shenon, indicts Zelikow on his ties with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and his frequent contact with senior political adviser Karl Rove, during what was touted as an independent investigation into the events surrounding the 2001 World Trade Center attack. This seeming conflict of interest, the book says, led Commission staffers not to trust Zelikow.

“We found him to be very fair-minded,” counters co-chair Lee Hamilton, “quite impartial, very rigorous in his searching out of the facts; and he certainly did not try to protect the Bush Administration, or to protect anybody else.”

9/11 Commission member John Lehman goes on to tell MSNBC that it was impossible not to go through Karl Rove when documents such as presidential daily briefings were needed. Many Commission members, he says, pressed the White House to provide more information and lift restrictions on a regular basis.

“We had to go through Karl Rove, and through [Attorney General Alberto] Gonzales and the other most senior members,” says Lehman. He indeed hoped that Zelikow was talking to Karl Rove, although he expressed disappointment that contact with the White House wasn’t more frequent towards the beginning of the investigations.

Vaughn, I could search obituraries and get 100 names of deceased people

Te smart way is to walk through the graveyards looking for infants who died within a few years of your birth. From that you can get SSN, and then DL. Birth records are rarely corelated against death records. Since you’re determined to break the law, I just thought I’d help.

I forgot the birth certificate. I know i’ve had to get my birth certificate resent twice in the last 34 years. Don’t remember what it took.

I know there’s a fringe group of radicals (even more so than me) who refuse to get their kids SSN. I know the bottom line is more trouble for the kids.

I jsut remembered, I didn’t get a SSN until 1970 when I got my learner’s permit to drive. (not learning to be social, I still haven’t obtained that skill)

ghotiphaze, it takes certain information including the SSAN these days, together with an indication of relationship to the person whose certificate is being requested, and the purpose of the request. The information on the request form (while obtainable with some difficulty by someone really determined to get a birth certificate) which is required seems to me (at least in Kansas) to be enough to deter most from trying. If anyone is interested, I’m sure one may take a look at the request form on line at the Bureau of Vital Statistics site.

Chas, I made a post to you earlier, you may have to do a search to find it. It’s in this thread. Please read it.

Parkay has no credibility anymore, everything he has posted, I’ve gone found the real story of and then repost the real deal. I’m just not interested in it.

Here are the Voting Rules, and Registration Deadlines for elections (Kansas) Max, I dont think you can be registered to vote in three different counties over a 20 year time frame, and have more than one be VALID…. Please Read this link, ok??

http://www.voteks.org/guide/steptwo.html

OK P Mama… Yes, I found your earlier post… I THINK I know which church you are referring to… Sad to see such a thing at that Church, in that town… However, that is still a HOT issue for that denomination, and it is far from being resolved…

State law requires that all first-time voters show identification at one of four points in the registration process:

1. at the time of registration;
2. after registration and before Election Day;
3. on Election Day; or
4. after Election Day and before the county canvass

http://www.voteks.org/guide/stepthree.html

Again, Regular, there needs to be a way for those who do not have an “official” photo ID to obtain one for free if they meet an appropriate income test, the “free” part needing to extend to obtaining the necessary underlying documents for the same. I speculate that those without have been able to do without them for a variety of reasons, but any more, I find it difficult to think that one may get very far without one (for reasons other than registering to vote and voting).

MonkeyHawk, you’re Liberal Bleeding heart is staining the landscape with doltish commentary.

I understand that, too, ghotiphaze. Those days are about over, though, IMHO. Obviously, you’ve not tried to fly commercially recently. :-)

When I fly I don’t just carry my DL; I carry my Passport. It works better.

Vaughn, I have no problems with “cradle to grave” documentation give aways for those who can’t afford it.

I do have a problem with irresponsibility of citizens who do not participate in a system that requires them to have proper ID in order to get registered in the first place.

Having a photo ID helps prevent fraud and also boosts the integrity of the voting system that is a privilege, not a right.

… and STILL none of the wingnuts wanna talk about voting machine problems. Just voter id problems.

Telling, no?

One other Fact — In order to register in a new location (updating registration) one is required to list previous residence, etc.

Another reason why I feel safe in saying that even though I may have VOTED in more than one place over the past X number of years, the only place I have a VALID Registration card is the place of my CURRENT residence!!

I agree Monkey Hawk

ghotiphaze, I don’t think MonkeyHawk can get HBO with the “rabbit ears” on his TV.

Yes, Ghot… the machine issue is very disconcerting… especially when the machine is labeled DIEBOLD… LOL

Vaughn Tolle
Posted February 4, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

Regular, to my mind, voting is a right, not just a privilege
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Are you sure that’s what the Constitution says Vaughn?

especially when the machine is labeled DIEBOLD

I’m jsut hoping it’s not the same diebold keeping my pennies secure in the bank.

The US State Department has labeled the recent elections in Kenya as having been fraudulent. The reason? EXIT POLLS. The State Departent notes that the exit polls are accurate – the ‘cooked’ official results are not.

If individuals are being screwed out of VOTING RIGHTS, then its a BIG problem… I dont care which side of the aisle you come from…

Well, Vaughn – the complete text of those Amendments refer to the denial of voting “rights” because of barriers.

The 24th is a barrier because of a prohibitive Poll Tax.

The 26th is a barrier set forth on age (18.)

Civil rights was also a barrier that was removed based on race, etc.

Those Amendments you mentioned are conditional upon the completion of the reasoning they were passed; Poll taxes and ages.

Actually, age can be set lower by the States (below 18) as there is no barrier or test that has been applied to prohibit such.

Damn, I was RIGHT on that one!! ROFL!!

I think that everyone should be required to show a picture id when voting. I think they should be provided free of charge to those who need one, and cannot afford one. I think no ballot should be in anything but English. I think machines should be banished, or at the least, have a paper record. One in the machine, one given to the voter immediately after voting.

“2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the [U.S. Supreme] Court … affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution ‘does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.’ And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is ‘qualified.”

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“the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States.” (Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98, 104 (2000)
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“The 10th Amendment to the Constitution states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the State, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Since the word “vote” appears in the Constitution only with respect to non-discrimination, the so-called right to vote is a “state right.” Only a constitutional amendment would give every American an individual affirmative citizenship right to vote.”
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“states’ rights” voting system is structured to be “separate and unequal.” As we saw in the 2000 election, there are 50 states, 3,067 counties, tens of thousands of cities, and many different machines and methods of voting – all “separate and unequal.”
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“The Equal Protection Clause does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote” (Alexander v. Daley, 90 F. Supp. 2d, 35, 66, emphasis added) “To be qualified, you must belong to a `state’ within the meaning of Article I and the Seventeenth Amendment and must be granted the right to vote by the state.” (Overruling Democracy – The Supreme Court vs. The American People, By Jamin B. Raskin, p. 36)
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http://www.fairvote.org/articles/jessejr.htm

Nathan, apparently I wasnt clear enough — Let me try it again —

I DONT CARE WHAT PARTY IS INVOLVED — IF THERE IS VOTER FRAUD — MACHINES OR OTHEERWISE — THEN IT NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLESTS EXTENT OF THE LAW!!

Is that better now??

Monkeyhawk, has anyone asked the 96 year old if she minded showing her ID when she voted?

Vaughn as outlined, qualification of voters are left to the individual states. So, in ordered to be classified as a “qualified voter” a person must meet the laws of that particular state in order to be classified as such.

Some of the standards is to be considered a resident is set forth by the state as length of time, legal address of residence and proof that the person making claim to said residency is who they say they are.

There is no “right” that states must be allowed to live in a state without meeting the rules of that state to establish the “right” to vote as pertaining to residency requirements.

The availability of legal residence is dependent on many factors – income, permission of the residence dwelling, purchase, lease, rent or acquisition by means allowed under the laws of that state.

There is no “right” that is required to allow individuals to equate property assignment the same as resident status. If that were true, many foreign investors would have instant residency status.

Since establishing residency is deemed a privilege of the individual for purposes of establishing a “legal residence” the follow on would be that being a “qualified voter” is explicit and paramount to the logical conclusion that legal residence is the precedent to establishing what defines a qualified voter.

Since “legal residence” does not require ownership nor assignment of property by means but permission of activities involved, the definition of gaining legal residency would appear to be a privilege and not a right.

So, in order for a person to be a “qualified voter” which is according to Constitutional and Court decisions, they must first establish a legal residence as defined by the individual states.

That legal residence, barring the inhibition of discrimination, is a privilege that is defined by the interaction of the person seeking residency and the system of residency requirements (purchase, lease, inherit or permissions.)

So, in order to be a “qualified voter”, the person must meet the privilege of establishing a legal residence as defined by the individual states.

(homeless usually have no legal residence)

Therefore, the gatekeeper to become a “qualified voter” is tied to property and the establishment of a legal residence, which is by our current laws allocated to the States, a privilege and not a right.

Yes MonkeyHawk, everyone in the Republican Party has hairy knuckles that drags the floor, eats small children, steals candies from babies and denies old ladies to poll on election days.

Wow! Sorry I had to miss all this.

Chas you made a few statements which I can tell you from experience are incorrect.

1st: “IIRC, voters do not have direct access to the list of registered voters… only the polling place workers have that access… ”

Having been involved in more than two election campaigns in Kansas – I can tell you that is not true. For the campaigns I worked, we had lists of registered voters/party/address. We walked door to door campaigning. I know this is true.
We got them legally from the court house.

2d – “ummm Max, your registration runs out every General Election time (Presidential that is)”

Well that cannot be correct. I have multiple adult children who have been out of county and state for many years, including before the last general election. Last fall, their names STILL APPEAR below the wife and I at our polling place.
Further, I know at least two of them voted where they now live – elsewhere in Kansas.

3rd – “MAX, you would have to be GOOD to pull this off more than once >>> LOL”

Again Chas, those instructions do not prevent fraud. I can attest to ACORN pulling it off, more than once, when they registered MY children in Douglas County (KU).

Farmgirl: I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to deviate from your post on fraud after the ballot. I think I did agree that that is problem. I simply stated that it is all fraud and needs correcting to restore faith in our democracy.

Photo ID’s: Spare me your whine about it preventing people from voting. It has been presented here that people MUST show some form of ID to register in the first place. The proposal would provide these people, who register, a photo id at no expense when they show up. Your resistence to having photo id on voting day is therefore not needed. Unless, of course, you still intend for one party to cheat.

You can’t cash a food stamp without photo id. You can’t even pick them up. Right JR?

“You can’t cash a food stamp without photo id. You can’t even pick them up. Right JR?”

I wouldn’t know “American way” James.

JR still thinks I’m AmericanWay…

Let’s see if JR writes something, it must be true.

Let’s see…

JR likes to touch little boys.

It must be true, I just wrote it.

It’s my understanding that voter registration lists are PUBLIC information.

Anyone can have access.

That’s one tool you would use to challenge a fraudulent election.

I guess JR just confirmed he likes touching little boys since he didn’t deny it.

Wow, this is sort of fun Max. You know, writing something and stating it true, just because you write it.

You know, the writing styles of JR, CapnAmerica and Chas, also about every other Lib on this blog.

If I combine the voter registration list with the list of obituaries, I can easily get a list of registered dead people.

Then without a photo ID required at the polling place, I can vote as Joe Dead Guy.

What was it 600 votes that gave GW Florida in 2000? Just a few votes CAN make a difference.

Let’s see who’s on the list today:

http://www.legacy.com/Kansas/DeathNotices.asp

No need for photo ID’s at the polling place guys, I got this game figured out!

(Most of the senior citizens ARE registered to vote!)

Regular, I need to go eat and run some errands.

Can you post under Max for a couple of hours? Or JM or Kansas, heck what difference does it make?

Yeah, that sounds good.

Just make sure you act like a Marine and his father.

It’s so difficult posting 24/7 under so many nics, but we, I mean I, I mean we, somehow find a way!

Well, so much for intelligent discussion!!

But, Max, one thing — what you just said you could do at a Polling Place… Aint gonna happen!! Not like that!! The polling places in Kansas DO require ID… You arent going to get one of those from the Obits!!

Geez!! Thats what happens when people dont learn to READ!!

Sorry Chas but all I ever have to do is tell them who I am and point to my name on the list. No ID needed at all.

No signature?? Gee, the last two times i voted in Wichita, I had to SIGN for it, plus show my ID… Of course, I was new in that precinct, and they didnt know me…

See, thats the other thing… In Wichita, so many of those election workers do that EVERY election, they pretty much KNOW who is registered in their precinct… If somebdy walked in where Dad had been voting every since 1950, and tried to “be him” those ladies and gents at the Polling Place would have laughed at them!!

For one thing, Dad’s writing was REAL BAD… And for another — He was real easy to spot!! Not a hair on his head!! And a short little guy, 5′ 6″ and maybe 158 lbs.

So, when they KNOW the people in their precincts phony voting is VERY difficult!!

I really do think it is all a bunch of smoke and mirrors… FEAR mongering!! The Right Wing is SO afraid of losing, they now want to resort to what amounts to an ILLEGAL POLL TAX!! (even though some refuse to accept a broad definition of tax)

The third is freedom from want–which, translated into universal terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants-everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear–which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor–anywhere in the world.
———————————————

Fifth, freedom from lack of healthcare.
Sixth, freedom from lack of a car.

What WANTS cannot be met by Government!

Chas, you Socialist!

You cannot satisfy everyone’s wants without taking from those who have, and giving to those who have not.

Chas, Freedom is not what Government chooses to give to you. Freedom is what you are born with, and what you earn on your own.

If I have the right to take $15,000 from your back pocket every year Chas, then YOU are no longer free.

You Socialist Libs will never learn.

Mitt will now be referred to as Mitt WrongMe.

J R,

JimmyMac probably isn’t American Way.

Besides, JimmyMac is just a zero credibility fantasy. He’s said so himself — just turn off the computer, and ‘blip’, he’s gone…

My thoughts exactly CF2K — Max is so full of FEAR that he cant even see FREEDOM!! That is so terribly sad!! Max, you really gotta do something about your obsessions!! Really!!

There isnt ONE THING Socialist in Roosevelt’s Speech!! And you cant SPIN it into the speech either!! Why do you think I chose Roosevelt?? Hmmmm???

Regular
Posted February 4, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink
I guess JR just confirmed he likes touching little boys

*****

Wow! Talk about “lawsuit.” If that doesn’t qualify, I don’t know what does.

Of course, you can’t get blood out of a turnip as they say . . .

That really is most disturbing, isnt it CapN??

But, you know, he IS a true believer, and thus, not responsible for what he says!! LOL

Thats what happens, CapN, when somebody actually believes that they cannot be stopped!!

It really is a sign of gross instability!!

Lawsuit?

Nahhh.

James didn’t post my real name.

He can’t.

And why do I care what he says? Others have said worse.

Advantage mine is my take.

“J R” —

Even assuming “Regular” took a bath and changed his underwear and came up out of his sister’s basement and took a bus down to an attorney’s office and asked them to file his lawsuit, you’ve gotta believe he was laughed out of the office.

Not sure Steven… Pat Herron posts some of the most vitriolic puke on the Blog!! I hope H/She gets lost and fcant find their way back!!

Thanks Chas, my evidence was weak, but they both have the same pedantic nonsense going for them. Oh well…

Its just that Pat H. leans more toward the obscene and perverse than AmWay…

“Even assuming “Regular” took a bath and changed his underwear and came up out of his sister’s basement and took a bus down to an attorney’s office and asked them to file his lawsuit, you’ve gotta believe he was laughed out of the office.”

No kidding MH? I thought that James could get Nola Folston to ignore her other duties and go fight for him against his “mistreatment” here. ROTFLMAO…

The clown is JUST TOO MUCH…

Looks like the ’sock puppets’ are all in their drawer tonight… you all might have some actual decent discussions tonight… Good luck on that!! Night all!!

Nothing on here that REgular/James/Republican/Kansas hasnt done himself — MANY times… Most likely, he will now save a file, and then delete his own character asassinations so they dont show…

I guess thats why they call it “editing” LOL

JimmyMac very incorrectly believes that he is smarter than all of the worlds scientists.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/open-thread-21-2/#comment-286507

“Ben in my opinion is nothing more than a chemistry clod who may have been something at one time, although I don’t see how he was with that attitude he carries around.”

When will the credible science journals print JimmyMac’s science(sic) defending E. G. Beck’s CO2 nonscience?

Never… because Beck’s claims are 100% bogus, nonscientific, nonsense.

Regular posts things like the above, and then complains about other posters? Is Regular always such a pervert?

When will cosmos once again admit to his confession that the climate models are not accurate and that climate cannot be predicted as it is too complex. Those were cosmos’s summations, not mine, by the way.

Of course Ben could be cosmos as well. It would not be first time I caught Ben supporting himself through another nic on this blog.

You know Ben, the identical story posted by two different posters, about the “cops beating a Vet in Calif., while he was sitting in a wheelchair.”

Big Foot appears to have short, fat feet. Probably needs that wide of a foot to support all that weight.

Excuse me Regular, but Big Foot is 6′ 7″, and 240 lbs. You wish to continue to be the Blogs biggest Joke? :roll:

Has Big Foot been skinned and hung out to dry by an unfortunate road rash as well?

Two bad your shoe size is two and half sizes below mine.

But I guess, some people like Big Foot are fond of their short appendages.

Two bad Big Foot doesn’t post under his usual nic, guess that shows his lack of courage.

Big Foot finds that 12 EEE is just about right for a frame of 6′ 7″, and 240 lbs.

Big Foot is so sorry to hear of Regular’s deformed foot size. A foot so large is very difficult to remove from certain body cavities.

Sorry you dont approve, Regular. My friends have called Big Foot by this name for many years. So, I guess this is my name.

Oh, Big Foot has no other nic. Big Foot doesnt post on the Blog too often. There is a great lack of intellectual dialogue here. Mostly just name calling, by those who dont seem to know better.

On many days of observation, Big Foot has come to the conclusion that this Blog is nothing more than a Neanderthal Social Club.

It’s impossible to include all of the unknown,
natural positive feedbacks in the climate models.
cosmos
Posted October 26, 2007 at 2:37 pm

cosmos does the same thing Big Foot. What’s the matter, can’t comment on what cosmos posts?

I figured Big Foot is just another cowardly Lib who is too scared to post under his usual nic.

Perhaps Sugar/Chas has gotten confused once again and lost his research notes in his Satanic bible.

Regular, Big Foot would guess that there isnt a Liberal poster on this Blog that would be afraid of you. There is nothing to be afraid of. All you post is a bunch of fantasy and lies. And when you run out of fantasy, you just make it up as you go.

Ah, I see some Steven Davis euphemisms clicking in there…although he writes a lot like CF2K.

Big Foot says he’s not posting under a different nic than usual.

He just happened to show up on this day, during this hour and on this thread.

yeah, (wink, wink)

Actually, keeping track of posts on this blog is relatively easy and easier to compare to other posters.

Another sock puppet of the Liberal Left = Big Foot.

Actually Brownlee could have had a sign in for this blog in less than a day.

There’s only about 300,000 bloggers who know how to put a sign in on the blog.

For some reason, the level of competence in running a blog at the Wichita Eagle appears to be in bottom 1 percent when it comes to operating common sense stuff.

Big Foot, you forgot your tweezers. You’ll need those when you go on your relief break.

Sorry Regular. But didnt anybody ever tell you that it is not healthy to offer to share tweezers with strangers? Big Foot has read that such a behavior can lead to unwanted diseases.

Nice try, Regular, but as Big Foot sees clearly, you are not only mentally unstable, but now you show yourself to be sexually perverted, much as you did with JR upthread.

The telephone directory has a place where you can get a referral to a good psychiatrist, who can assist you with your perversions.

Give them enough rope, they eventually hang themselves. They can’t help their incompetence.

Oh, and you might want to be careful with that rope as well. :roll:

I hear the sound of dueling banjos for dueling trolls.

Re: Regular
DNFTT

Of course, Regular is now feeding his own opposing troll (who lampoons Regular by using its own techniques against it).

As if there is any doubt, look at the posts in which JR once again accuses me of being another poster. Then, look at the string of posts that follow when I wasn’t even online from Chas, Steven Davis, CapnAmerica and some poster named Big Foot.

But I know there is know reasoning with ksagnostic, he runs a fool’s errand by pretending – that is, being an intelligent poster.

re: ksagnostic

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Watch out Max… That phrase “Common Good” is in the Constitution!! Is it Communist too?? LOL

Wow, reading upthread gotta wonder if Regular called out the cops…. That would have been way too funny!! Poor cops!!

Redistributing wealth upwards. Hmmmm….

I wonder how exactly that is accomplished. You have to HAVE something before you can give it away.

Communist rant.

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