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Does anyone see a pattern here? Looks like Wichita EAGLE’s opinion editors are heading for support of the Barach Obama presidential bid.
Great, about time they quit supporting the idiot party.
Hey Phantom thanks for the comment on my letter to the editor a few days ago. LOL did not knew they had even used it until yesterday when I was checking the old letters.
From http://www.crooksandliars.com –
Time magazine’s Mark Halperin offered an interesting list today: a 16-point guide on what, in Halperin’s opinion, John McCain’s campaign can do to tear Barack Obama down. As Halperin sees it, McCain’s campaign is “staffed with savvy, experienced operatives who have closely watched the rise of Obama, and they have learned from Clinton’s failure to take down her Democratic rival.”
So, what’s the game plan? Here’s Halperin’s list, including attacks to be levied by McCain, McCain’s campaign, and attack dogs working on McCain’s behalf. Some of my favorites:
1. Play the national security card without hesitation.
That would probably be easier if McCain had an effective national security strategy — beyond “go get ‘em” — and hadn’t been wrong about Iraq in every possible way for nearly six years.
2. Talk about the Iraq War without apologies or perceived contradiction.
Too late, McCain is already contradicting himself, claiming he opposed Rumsfeld (he didn’t), opposed “stay the course” (he didn’t), called for Rumsfeld’s resignation (he hadn’t), and insisting he warned Americans from the start how difficult the war would be (he hadn’t).
3. Go at Obama unambiguously from the right.
The more McCain gives up the middle, the more independents will prefer Obama.
4. Encourage interest groups, bloggers, and right-leaning media to explore Obama’s past.
I hear those kindergarten papers are fascinating.
5. Make an issue of Obama’s acknowledged drug use.
If you say so, but if they push this too far, Cindy McCain’s record might become fair game, too.
6. Allow some supporters to risk being accused of using the race card when criticizing Obama.
Time magazine’s Mark Halperin seriously recommends racist attacks? What?
10. Use his sterling war record to reinforce his image of patriotism and valor – and contrast it with his opponent’s.
Maybe, if this race becomes “the future vs. the past,” heroic military service in the 1960s may prove to lack political salience now.
11. Emphasize Barack Hussein Obama’s unusual name and exotic background through a Manchurian Candidate prism.
If and when McCain gets to the “Hussein” nonsense, we’ll know his desperation factor is awfully high.
13. Face an electorate less consumed with “change change change” (the main priority for Democratic voters) and keenly interested in “ready from day one” as an equally important ideal.
Maybe, but it’s tougher to sell “ready from day one,” when McCain has been “wrong from day one” on all the issues voters care about.
14. Link biography (experience/courage) and leadership (straight talk) to a vision animated by detail – accentuating Obama’s relative lack of specificity.
That’d be great if McCain didn’t offer fewer specifics than any major candidate in either party.
16. Confront Obama with a united, focused campaign absent of second-guessing, which hits the same themes and message every day.
Given McCain’s propensity for saying whatever pops into his head, a disciplined campaign may prove to be a tall order.
I guess we’ll find out soon enough if Halperin’s 16-step guide is what McCain needs, but I’m a little skeptical.
The state slides down in the polls and the Governor moves up? She sabatoges the state for Personal Agenda and gain at the demise of Kansas Residents. Then people want her too run with Barack Obama and run America thru the mill for their personal agenda at our entire American Demise. Go figure!!!!! Herb West III, west.herb@yahoo.com
Economic update. PPI increase year over year highest since 1981. Put the oil men in office and you get stagflation.
January foreclosures up 57 % in year.
http://findingforeclosures.entrepreneur.com/2008/02/09/foreclosure-hits-close-to-home/
somewhat interesting
Purple Herbie–
You’d have better luck winning hearts and minds if your writing wasn’t riddled with spelling and grammar errors.
Correctness . . . it’s not just for English class.
Cap’n, I just suspect Herbert doesn’t realize when you slave Naturally Speaking with Spel-Check, you need to peruse the material to make sure what you write is what you said.
Ewe knead two lurn too tipe wright, Herbert.
Cap’n, I just suspect Herbert doesn’t realize when you slave Naturally Speaking with Spel-Check, you need to peruse the material to make sure what you write is what you said.
Ewe knead two lurn too tipe wright, Herbert.
An interesting opinion piece from the WSJ which says much of what I’ve been thinking; there were similar attacks on Pres. Reagan back in 1980 on his “vagueness”; his theme of hope; etc., much as is being laid at the feet of Sen. Obama. The author’s thesis is that perhaps, just as with Mr. Reagan, there is a misjudgment of Sen. Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120398899374792349.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
“Vaughn Tolle” –
Excellent link!
Should be a must-read for everyone.
An interesting comment from Peg’s blog.
FAMINES MAY OCCUR WITHOUT RECORD CROPS THIS YEAR
The situation with our declining world grain stores is getting serious enough that the CEO of the world’s largest fertilizer company is now basically saying we’re going to have famines. Of course, it won’t affect us as much in the U.S.A., but it will seriously beg the question whether we should continue trying to extract fuel for our SUVs from food crops.
A friend sent me the following link that I recommend you read. From Bloomberg.com/
By Christopher Donville
Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) — Grain farmers will need to harvest record crops every year to meet increasing global food demand and avoid famine, Potash Corp. of Saskatchewan Inc. Chief Executive Officer William Doyle said.
People and livestock are consuming more grain than ever, draining world inventories and increasing the likelihood of shortages, Doyle said yesterday in an interview on Bloomberg Television. Global grain stockpiles fell to about 53 days of supply last year, the lowest level since record-keeping began in 1960, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
“If you had any major upset where you didn’t have a crop in a major growing agricultural region this year, I believe you’d see famine,’’ Doyle, 57, said in New York.
Potash, the world’s largest maker of crop nutrients, has more than doubled in market value in the past year as record crop prices allowed farmers to spend more on fertilizer to boost yields…
And the “doomsday vault” of seeds is back in the news again. It was created to make sure some food seeds survived a world wide disaster, and to ensure biodiversity for our world food supply.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18925343.700
Yeah Wink, the WE is besotted with obamamania. It’s so obvious they arent even trying to hide their bias.
I’d imagine the population increase has something to do with this, KFG. 20 years ago who’da thought world pop would REALLY get 6 bill and climbing. there oughta be a pill!
Hate to even mention this, KFG, and don’t bludgeon me to death, but your ole buddy Monsanto *ducks* may need to step in with drought/salt/cold resistant crop gene slice and dice. Everyone wants to live where the food can be grown and leave vacant places food CAN’T grow.
I hope they do develop good things ghoti, I just dont want the franken seeds FORCED on anyone, and I dont like their policies of patenting things that were developed by indigenous populations over time.
SOME things need to be in the public domain.
And, fyi, I dont think it is population that has wheat at $11.30 this morning at the local coop.
No kidding. No limit trading today. And it’s “turnaround tuesday” so we’ll see what happens.
I was holding out for ten dollar wheat, then eleven dollar wheat. I think I’ll hold out now for twelve dollar wheat. I think we could briefly see it before the end of the week.
And the sheeple sleep…
More coffee while I ponder selling a little grain this morning.
heheheheheh. And ghoti? Monkeybutt is the ONLY poster I’ve ever threatened to clock. You dont need to duck. I’ve got a slow punch that’s telegraphed all the way.
HEE HEE HEE HEE!
As someone who seems to have numerous typos, the google toolbar has a spellcheck for these posts. Works, great when I remember to use it.
Vaughn Tolle
Posted February 26, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink
Vaugh – Excellent link. It’s just so weird that he is being compared to the Republican’s idol. I bet that really chaps their asses.
A Real Choice for Americans in 2008!
Throw your rug toward “Mecca”
5 times per day!
Throw your rug toward Washington 24 hours a day!
Have your rug taken away by illegal aliens from (“Open Borders”)
Just used to ducking after good natured kidding. My wife is bigger’n me.
No, I don’t think grain prices are a result of overpop, just the shortage of reserves.
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the google toolbar has a spellcheck for these posts. Works, great when I remember to use it.
I’m the first to harp about harping on typos. I know it’s a town in Kentucky (really, look on a map–forget that, it gets left off most for some reason. Just google typo, ky.)
I’m reminded of the quote (ok, I’ve heard this was by Andy Jackson, but just looking it up, it seems Mark Twain DID say it) about not trusting a man who only knows one way to spell a word.
February 26, 2008
Poll Finds a Fluid Religious Life in U.S.
By NEELA BANERJEE
WASHINGTON — More than a quarter of adult Americans have left the faith of their childhood to join another religion or no religion, according to a survey of religious affiliation by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
The report, titled “U.S. Religious Landscape Survey,” depicts a highly fluid and diverse national religious life. If shifts among Protestant denominations are included, then it appears that 44 percent of Americans have switched religious affiliations.
For at least a generation, scholars have noted that more Americans are moving among faiths, as denominational loyalty erodes. But the survey, based on telephone interviews with more than 35,000 Americans, offers one of the clearest views yet of that trend, scholars said. The United States Census does not track religious affiliation.
It shows, for example, that every religion is losing and gaining members, but that the Roman Catholic Church “has experienced the greatest net losses as a result of affiliation changes.” The survey also indicates that the group that had the greatest net gain was the unaffiliated. Sixteen percent of American adults say they are not part of any organized faith, which makes the unaffiliated the country’s fourth-largest “religious group.”
Detailing the nature of religious affiliation — who has the numbers, the education, the money — signals who could hold sway over the country’s political and cultural life, said John Green, an author of the report and a senior fellow on religion and American politics at Pew.
Michael Lindsay, assistant director of the Center on Race, Religion and Urban Life at Rice University, echoed that view. “Religion is the single most important factor that drives American belief attitudes and behaviors,” said Mr. Lindsay, who had read the Pew report. “It is a powerful indicator of where America will end up on politics, culture, family life. If you want to understand America, you have to understand religion in America.”
In the 1980s, the General Social Survey by the National Opinion Research Center indicated that 5 percent to 8 percent of the population described itself as unaffiliated with a particular religion.
The Pew survey, available on the Web at http://religions.pewforum.org/, was conducted between May and August of 2007. The margin of sampling error ranges from plus or minus one percentage point for the total sample to two points for Catholics and eight points for Hindus.
In the Pew survey 7 percent of the adult population said they were unaffiliated with a faith as children. That segment increases to 16 percent of the population in adulthood, the survey found. The unaffiliated are largely under 50 and male. “Nearly one in five men say they have no formal religious affiliation, compared with roughly 13 percent of women,” the survey said.
The rise of the unaffiliated does not, however, mean that Americans are becoming less religious. Contrary to assumptions that most of the unaffiliated are atheists or agnostics, most described their religion “as nothing in particular.” Pew researchers said later projects would delve more deeply into their beliefs and practices and would try to determine if the unaffiliated remained so as they aged.
The other groups that have gained the most people, in net terms, are nondenominational Protestant churches, which are largely evangelical and, in many cases, megachurches; Pentecostals; and the Holiness Church, also an evangelical denomination.
While the ranks of the unaffiliated have been growing, Protestantism has been declining, the survey found. In the 1970s, Protestants accounted for some two-thirds of the population. The Pew survey found they now make up about 50 percent. Evangelical Christians account for a slim majority of Protestants, and those who leave one evangelical denomination usually move to another, rather than to mainline churches.
Prof. Stephen Prothero, chairman of the religion department at Boston University, said large numbers of Americans leaving organized religion and large numbers still embracing the fervor of evangelical Christianity pointed to the same desires.
“The trend is towards more personal religion, and evangelicals offer that,” Professor Prothero said, explaining that evangelical churches tailored much of their activities to youths.
“Those losing out are offering impersonal religion,” he said, “and those winning are offering a smaller scale: mega-churches succeed not because they are mega but because they have smaller ministries inside.”
The percentage of Catholics in the American population has held steady for decades at about 25 percent. But that masks a precipitous decline in native-born Catholics. The proportion has been bolstered by the large influx of Catholic immigrants, mostly from Latin America, the survey found.
The Roman Catholic Church has lost more adherents than any other group: about one-third of respondents raised Catholic said they no longer identified as such. Based on the data, the survey showed, “this means that roughly 10 percent of all Americans are former Catholics.”
Immigration continues to influence American religion greatly, the survey found. The majority of immigrants are Christian, and almost half are Catholic. Muslims rival Mormons as having the largest families. And Hindus are the best-educated and among the richest religious groups, the survey found.
“I think politicians will be looking at this survey to see what groups they ought to target,” Professor Prothero said. “If the Hindu population is negligible, they won’t have to worry about it. But if it is wealthy, then they may have to pay attention.”
Experts said the wide-ranging variety of religious affiliation could set the stage for further conflicts over morality or politics, or new alliances on certain issues, as religious people have done on climate change or Jews and Hindus have done over relations between the United States, Israel and India.
“It sets up the potential for big arguments,” said Mr. Green of Pew, “but also for the possibility of all sorts of creative synthesis. Diversity cuts both ways.”
Wonder why Monkey left off numbers 7, 8, 9, 12, and 15 from his list above? Damn public education.
http://thepage.time.com/halperin%E2%80%99s-take-ways-mccain-can-beat-obama-that-clinton-cannot/
7. Exploit Michelle Obama’s mistakes and address her controversial remarks with unrestricted censure.
8. Play dirty without alienating his party.
9. Dismiss Obama’s brief national tenure from his own lofty platform of decades in the Senate – there will be no ambiguity about who has more experience as conventionally defined.
12. Employ third party groups like the NRA to hit Obama on issues that might turn off general election voters. Perhaps an ad such as this will run in Ohio: “So, what do you really know about Barack Obama? Did you know he supports meeting with the head of terrorist states? Do you know he wants to get rid of your right to own a handgun? Do you know he is calling for the repeal of the law preventing gay marriage? Do you know he is for a trillion-dollar tax increase? What do you really know about Barack Obama?”
15. Give Obama his first real race against a credible Republican. (Clinton has always asserted that Obama would wilt before a fierce Republican assault.)
Funny thing is, that Crooks & Liars site Monkey quoted – Lied!
By omitting certain unfavorable numbered points from the article being cited.
The Liar Web site LIED!!!!
Easy to catch them though. I just went to the original source.
Lesson: Never trust a Report about a Report.
Go read the Original Report instead! Duh.
Sorry, “Max,” and thanks for posting the other tidbits –
I should’ve gone to the Time website, but my cut-and-paste was from another site and I simply failed to notice the missing items:
7. Exploit Michelle Obama’s mistakes and address her controversial remarks with unrestricted censure.
If Michelle Obama becomes a target, Cindy McCain becomes a target. If Cindy McCain becomes a target. That’s a TKO before it starts; Cindy is Pat Nixon without the charm. And, Vickie Iseman becomes an issue again.
8. Play dirty without alienating his party.
So the Republic Party finally admits its Dirty Tricks are standard operating procedure?
9. Dismiss Obama’s brief national tenure from his own lofty platform of decades in the Senate – there will be no ambiguity about who has more experience as conventionally defined.
Nobody was more “experienced” than Rumsfeld and Cheney. Look where that got us.
12. Employ third party groups like the NRA to hit Obama on issues that might turn off general election voters. Perhaps an ad such as this will run in Ohio: “So, what do you really know about Barack Obama? Did you know he supports meeting with the head of terrorist states? Do you know he wants to get rid of your right to own a handgun? Do you know he is calling for the repeal of the law preventing gay marriage? Do you know he is for a trillion-dollar tax increase? What do you really know about Barack Obama?”
And John McCain promises the jobs aren’t coming back, the Mexicans aren’t going home, and your kids will be going to Iraq for a hundred years.
15. Give Obama his first real race against a credible Republican. (Clinton has always asserted that Obama would wilt before a fierce Republican assault.)
Clinton also asserted hers was the inevitablity candidacy. McCain’s own media strategist is on record that he doesn’t want to take on Obama; just too dicey to appeak to Republic Party regulars without playing the race card. In fact, the GOP is frantically researching how much racism they can get away with.
And of course, this year the term “credible Republican” is an oxymoron.
Jumping in here…doesn’t Monsanto scare you guys? It should unless you love Donny Rumsfeld. He played the usual sh.itty part he always does, getting aspartame okay’d by the FDA.
Enjoy that Diet Coke!
I dunno, “Max” –
One man’s “LIED!” is this man’s “edited for length.”
Anyway, you’re correct that I should have gone to the original source. I trust my previous post addressed your concerns.
I’m suitably smote by your criticsm for passing along only the http://www.crooksandliars.com site.
Anyone notice that McCain has a “thing” for blondes?
From his wife to Iseman to female reporters covering him–the women around him are blondes.
President “fetish” McCain.
Gold is at $946. Alan Greenspan, the former chairman of the US central bank, or Fed, has said that inflation rates in Gulf states, which are reaching near record levels, would fall “significantly” if oil producers dropped their US dollar pegs.
Speaking at an investment conference on Monday in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, he said the pegs restrict the region’s ability to control inflation by forcing them to duplicate US monetary policy at a time when the Fed is cutting rates to ward off an economic downturn.
Funny eh???
Who cares, right???
I THINK we had better get off of the Sex/Race bandwagon in this election, or the rest of the world will think we are plumb loco!!
Never mind… maybe we are!!
Wowsers!
You pro-torture guys have to see Taxi To The Dark Side.
Guaranteed to be a thriller for ya’ll!
Pleef,
Greenspan also questioned the continued need for a central bank. Go figure huh?
I care pleef. And I notice this morning that inflation without food and oil prices is at a nine year high, and WITH food and oil prices it’s at a 26 year high.
And wheat is now $11.70 at my local co-op.
enjoy…
Love you guys. =]
“Speaking at an investment conference on Monday in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, he said the pegs restrict the region’s ability to control inflation by forcing them to duplicate US monetary policy at a time when the Fed is cutting rates to ward off an economic downturn.”
Jesus WEPT! Even in Dan Rupp’s beginning economics classes at Ft. Hays (the little university on the prairie) we learned that CUTTING RATES would pump up inflation.
Hell, where’s Jimmy Carter when we need him? No American president has inherited stagflation since Carter.
Good luck with that for the next preznit.
^5 pleef
Pleef. Pretty scary
Oh sorry, and ^5 to you too Solly!
Pretty soon we’ll be needing IMF loans to pay for our Chinese loans. maybe we can get those in Euro’s?
Tanking the dollar to usher in The Amero??? Nah, that’s just a conspiracy theory.
I brought up stagflation to one of my Neo-con buddies the end of last year and he laughed his ass of at me and called me a “Paranoid Ron Paultard”!
I guess time will tell…But I need to get some more gold before it hits 1500. I’m looking forward to that rebate, means another case or 10 of ammunition! heheheheheh.
“I brought up stagflation to one of my Neo-con buddies the end of last year and he laughed his ass of at me”
Pleef, I think that is called “whistling past the graveyard”. Like the guy in the freecredit commercial, they shoulda seen this comming at them like an atom bomb.
If I were you, I’d think about investing in a couple of cases of food ’cause if you starve to death, you wont need that ammo.
Unless yer going hunting in your neighbor’s basement…
Should be quite a movie there, Pleefer… hope I get to see it!!
KFG,
I need to figure out if I should buy wheat?? How long does it last and can you store it indefinitely? I’ve got lots of canned stuff ready to go, I’ve got my Berkey water purifiers…need more seeds.
Chas, that movie won Best Doc Oscar and it will make you sick and bawl. (but only if you are a decent human with a good “Christian” heart).
I’m getting ammo for those that laugh now and want mine “laughables” then.
Pleefer, as long as wheat is stored dry and doesnt have critters in it, it will last a veeeeeery long time. Longer than flour, which will sour because you released the oils.
And if store wheat, you can feed chickens for eggs and crack it for cereal and grind it for flour.
Ya gotta keep the bugs out and the best way to keep it dry is to also have dry air circulating around it. We used to have dryer fans in the grain bin.
And we buried watermelons in the wheat bin and ate it until Christmas time.
Thanks for your insight KFG.
Pleef, don’t be traing your food and fuel for gold. The price of gold never changes, but the price of everything else does. 2000 years ago an oz of gold bought a really fine bed. Today: an oz of gold buys a really fine bed. Might make money in numbers, but you’re still in the same boat in buying power.
(Plus all the transaction fees you’re doling out)
BTW, the only reason reason I picked Monsanto, it was the only one on the tip of my brain that does gen-en on ag products (plus the chance to jive KFG)
Pleefer, as long as wheat is stored dry and doesnt have critters in it, it will last a veeeeeery long time
Over 2000 years, pyramid not included.
If anyone hasn’t seen the 60 min. episode detailing the abuse of the justice system by Rove, here’s a link. Surprisingly, we haven’t had a thread on it yet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/22/karl-rove-60-minutes-expo_n_87925.html
Hahahahaha….no Pyramid? really?
I guess I didn’t know there was wheat found in the pyramids! thanks all.
But if gold wasn’t be buried, it would be up to $2500 or even $4000 an oz. now.
wups, …being buried.
Hee hee hee ghoti. And I forgot to mention that you can chew the whole kernals and if the gluten is high, it will turn into gum.
Ask any western Kansas farm kid.
And least the old wheat did…
I agree Phantom. I wonder why we havent had a thread about Siegelman or the blackout in parts of Alabama when CBS was broadcasting the story.
On June 29, 2006, a federal jury found both Siegelman and Scrushy guilty. Siegelman was convicted on “one count of bribery, one count of conspiracy to commit honest services mail fraud, four counts of honest services mail fraud and one count of obstruction of justice”, according to a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice. [1]
Siegelman was sentenced to more than seven years in federal prison and a $50,000 fine.[8]
“Funny thing is, that Crooks & Liars site Monkey quoted – Lied!
By omitting certain unfavorable numbered points from the article being cited.
The Liar Web site LIED!!!!”
Crooks & Liar posted the site where their information came from “Funny thing is, that Crooks & Liars site Monkey quoted – Lied!
By omitting certain unfavorable numbered points from the article being cited.”
If his intention was to “omit” certain unfavorable points why did he site where the list came from? This was Steve Benen’s opinion of some of the things on Haplerin’s list. Don’t you know the difference between a blog and a news site?
Sometimes, laughing guy, the only real news you get is from a blog.
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Pleefer
Posted February 26, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
Sometimes, laughing guy, the only real news you get is from a blog.<
And who decides what is real news? Fox News thinks it is a news station when in fact most of the shows are opinion shows. If you take everything you read on a blog as fact, I hope you have more than one souce for a story.
I’d chew raw wheat when I worked harvest. Couldn’t smoke in the fields…
By about the 3rd or 4th handful, though, it’d turn into a rock in my stomach. Sure made it hard spreading the wheat around the bed (”get out of there, the combine spreads it out evenly enough” “Dangit, I’m BORED!!!”)
Harvest was the HARDEST easy money I ever made.
It’s not that simple fleetie and you know it.
The Prosecution of Siegelman
Don Siegelman was a successful Democrat in the Republican state of Alabama when he was convicted of bribery in a case that has been criticized by Democrats and Republicans.
snip
(CBS) Is Don Siegelman in prison because he’s a criminal or because he belonged to the wrong political party in Alabama? Siegelman is the former governor of Alabama, and he was the most successful Democrat in that Republican state. But while he was governor, the U.S. Justice Department launched multiple investigations that went on year after year until, finally, a jury convicted Siegelman of bribery.
Now, many Democrats and Republicans have become suspicious of the Justice Department’s motivations. As correspondent Scott Pelley reports, 52 former state attorneys-general have asked Congress to investigate whether the prosecution of Siegelman was pursued not because of a crime but because of politics.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830.shtml
Uh, ghoti? yer not supposed to SWALLOW!
^5 back at ya farmie. Been away from the screen a while, sry it took so long.
NOW ya tell me. No one ever mentioned it. Y’know, your alone in the middle of a section with only the headlights of the combine 1/2 mile away, ya need something to do with your hands, and cigs are a no-no.
“Siegelman was pursued not because of a crime but because of politics.”
The jury found him guilty of crimes.
Did Dan Rather write that story?
Alabama known for their strong Democratic Party Governors…
John Patterson, George Wallace, Don Siegelman…
You think maybe you want to hang him too Fleet??
Evidence seems to stack up against the Prosecutors in that one!!
You turn a little shade of green/gray there Ghoti?? LOL darned chaw will do that if ya swaller it!!
Heeeh Ghoti!
And Pleef? If yer gonna buy wheat, you better do it quick. It closed at $11.87 at the local co-op today, which means it was probably over $12 at the local Cargill elevator.
You think that might have anything to do with this?
http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/323176.html
I know they dont use wheat to make ethanol, but I bet they think they should invest in wheat related equipment rather than ethanol.
My Dad must be rolling over in his grave!
“You think maybe you want to hang him too Fleet??”
Do I want to hang who?
For reference for you non-farm types, I sold last crop wheat for about $4. Now it’s almost triple that.
laugher, you’re right. but good bloggers should source everything…from multiple places.
…hurriedly puts up independent grain elevator…
Don’t chaw, Chas. Looks too much like stable floor sweepings left to dry. I’d just hold off until the truck was full and puff on the way to the elevator.
Kind of a funny story…The last load, all the fields are cut and my truck only had a 1/2 bed. I jump in the back and start spreading it even (I had to drive that truck over the washboards and inclined paths!) and the owner says to just drive and dump, they wanted to get out of there. I told him it’d spring the bed. He said “It WON’T spring the bed”.
I sprung the bed!
“I’d just hold off until the truck was full and puff on the way to the elevator.”
Hee hee hee. Me too, but it wasnt cigs….
Well, it was the seventies ya know.
Laugher — Somebody already posted your “Crooks & Liars” post earlier on one of the threads… I didnt THINK you were one who posted it… Monkey even responded to it promptly!! You tring to run some kind of scam here??
I was thinking it was around $4 last year–just a tad over, wasn’t it? I don’t really keep up with it–family farmsteads are rented out and proceeds are divvied among too many (Germ/cath/farm critter–I think i have over 100 1st cousins, aunts, uncles)–but my sister mentions it on occasion. She still lives in the area.
Tooo funny Ghot!!
Hee hee hee. Me too, but it wasnt cigs….
Well, it was the seventies ya know
I prolly woulda, but my boss was pretty strict about such things (and was a decent, honorable guy, to boot), and having long hair anyway I was definitely suspect.
Max
Posted February 26, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink
Funny thing is, that Crooks & Liars site Monkey quoted – Lied!
By omitting certain unfavorable numbered points from the article being cited.
The Liar Web site LIED!!!!
Easy to catch them though. I just went to the original source.
Lesson: Never trust a Report about a Report.
Go read the Original Report instead! Duh.
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As I said LAUGHER…. That already got posted once today… :-|
Hee hee hee ghoti!
“I prolly woulda, but my boss was pretty strict about such things (and was a decent, honorable guy, to boot),”
Well, my Dad was too, but ya know, outa sight, outa mind.
And thankfully, I STILL dont fit the profile. (Nice gray haired old lady driving a late model, clean, chevy pickup.)
hehehehehhehehhehehehe. Just kidding of course.
I keep my hair long for a reason. You’d be amazed at the people who’d try to take advantage of you thinking you’re a dim-witted doper. I don’t like to work so hard to find out how hard someone would shaft you if they thought they could get away with it.
I’m with you ghoti. These judgmental “Christians” are a hoot to mess with.
I agree guys. Sometimes I think “if you all knew what lurks inside this nice old gray haired lady, you’d run screaming”.
hehehehehehheh.
In my mind I’m still a seventies radical, but my body shouts otherwise.
The country will have a Democrat President. Either Obama or Hillary will be the next president of the United States. The current idiot has poisoned the well for the Republicans, and a lot of independents and moderates will join forces with the 50% of the country that pay little or no taxes to elect someone who sounds nice and will give them money. Face it. It is reality. Probably at least 60% of the population think no further than “who is going to put money in my pocket.”
with the 50% of the country that pay little or no taxes to elect
I’d like to see figures. What’s your definition of ‘little’–less than you?
Probably at least 60% of the population think no further than “who is going to put money in my pocket.”
Republicans have 60% of the population? LJ, I’m one of those who’ll be paying for those you’e d3enigrating. And believe me, from the way you’re talking, I’d assume it means a heck of a lot more difference to me than to you. Unless you’re an 80 year old spinster living only on SocSecurity.
Here we find the top 1% of all income earners in the United States paying a total of 20.3% of all of the personal income taxes collected by the IRS. The top 10% were paying 49.7% of all income taxes, and the top 50% was paying 92.8%. The bottom 50% of all income earners were payign only 7.2% of all income taxes.
LJ
“current idiot has poisoned the well for the Republicans, “
That is what I don’t get. McCain is Bush Lite. Why would the republicans rally around him? Makes no sense at all. Ida voted Romney over McCain and I really can’t stand that lying sack of poo Romney.
So WTF? Where did McCain pop in? More of the same…
In 1993, at the end of the Decade of Greed, the top 1% were paying 28.7% of all taxes. They earned only 13.8% of all earned income. Oops! sounds like they are paying a bit more than their fair share, doesn’t it? What about the top 10%? They were paying 58.5% of the income taxes but earning only 39% of the income. The top 50%? Paying 95.2% of the taxes, earning 85% of the income. The bottom 50%? Earning only 15% of the income but paying just 4.8% of the income taxes.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6
bottom 50% of all taxpayers pay a little over 3% of all taxes.
“Probably at least 60% of the population think no further than “who is going to put money in my pocket.”
Republicans have 60% of the population”
Haha. Funny, but it just isn;t so. I am making no democrat/republican comment here. In my judgement, in talking with everyday folks, that is what they are looking for. Somebody to be their sugar daddy.
“And believe me, from the way you’re talking, I’d assume it means a heck of a lot more difference to me than to you”
don;t know what that meant, but every dollar taking from me by the evil empire is a dollar I cannot spend the way I choose to spend it.
Idaho Senator Larry Craig is currently seeking intern applications for the summer term, which runs from May to August. The application deadline is March 15.
ok, now lets think about how much the very bottom of the top 50% have left over. Can they still feed themselves? Do they have a place to stay for the night? Can they afford to pay their tax?
Now lets talk about the lower end of the bottom 50%. Sure, they don’t pay much, but you wouldn’t notice if they didn’t pay or not, it’s such a small amount-but to them it’s the difference between eating that day or week, and not. And you DO want them generating income for you, don’t you? I’m also guessing that the difference between the top 50% and bottom 50% is not the difference of a dollar or two. You might have a couple in the two camps within a thousand or two of each other, but I’m just guessing here, the difference between the two is pretty vast.
I know, it isn’t fair that the people who put money in your pockets shouldn’t get a free ride, but if they gave all their money to the government, what would you use to pad your portfolio with?
I Have trouble with the concept of paying a person next to nothing, expecting them to spend every cent to survive, then gripe because they’re not spending money they don’t have buying insurance that they’ll never be able to use, and also pay all the taxes so they can get sent to be bullet catchers to make haliburton, caci, titan, KBR (oops, haliburton again) more money than god, and pay for all the public services that they’ll never get to use (too busy working for no money, remember) like interstate highways (heck their car can barely make it the 20 miles to work every day), parks (can’t afford time off because you need them spending and making your taxes), and on and on and on.
Bottom line, they can afford to pay and it doesn’t hurt them one bit and excess cash goes straight into their wallet. Bottom 1/2 spends every cent they get and actually does their part to boost the economy that drives your wallet and you have the unmitigated gall to BITCH about it?
LJ, yu hve dollars to spend the way you want to? My dollars are spoken for months in advance.
Prediction on John McCain’s VP running mate:
1. Christine Todd Whitman – moderate Republican, almost a Democrat like McCain is.
2. Condoleezza Rice – more conservative Republican, female & black.
(Sex and Race are the two biggest criteria for a Presidential or VP candidate you know.)
I would prefer Rice, but Whitman is the more likely choice.
JWink:
Arky McGaugh died this morning at the age of 87.
For the rest of you, he was the long-time owner of Takhoma Burger when it was on Maple St.
ghotiphaze
Your long winded rant is pointless. You asked a question, I answered it. The simple fact is, there are huge numbers of people who care about only one thing. Getting something someone else has. That is human nature, sadlyl SOme do it by force of a gun, or a knife, or whatever. SOme do it by force of a lawsuit, other means. Some do it by force of the government. THere are simply large amounts of people who want the government to be their sugar daddy. Free health care, free child care, free educaiton, free, free, free. That is their mantra. And it is not relegated to just the bottom 50% of all wageearners. It is a sickness of todays society. It’s just that the bottom 50% (including those making 35-40k, want something. Politicians of all stripes are more than happy to oblige.
Whitman would be a good choice. Rice would be a lousy choice.
Whitman was the one who okay’d that the “air was fine” right after 9/11, subsequent dead first responders a few years later. nice gal.
outlander, et al…
‘Don’t trust anything you read in the National Post’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/02/dont_trust_anything_you_read_i_1.php
Abortionist quack Laurence Reich of Californicatia has been charged with 3 felony counts of committing illegal abortions without a medical license, having been forced to surrender his license in 2006 for molesting women during exams. Authorities found out about Reich when they arrested abortion mill owner Bertha Bugarin, who ran six abortion mills in Californicatia. Even leftist, pro-abortion U.S. Senator Boxer was obliged to lobby for the suspension of Reich’s license because of egregious sex offenses and notorious targeting of Hispanics for cash-in-advance abortions, though Reich was never required to register as a sex offender, and only served one day in jail for multiple perverted sexual abuses of vulnerable, desperate Hispanic mothers in 2006, even after 10 years probation for a similar 1984 conviction. (??!!)
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Planned Parenthood abortion mills are again targeting the black race for population reduction, by featuring Black History Month on their web page, and falsely claiming the endorsement of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for abortion mills, one third of whose tiny dead victims are black, 3 times the rate of killing white babies.
Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood’s Teenwire web page for underage children also advised underage teens that porn is another form of safe sex, despite a federal ban for minors, and despite the known links from porn to other sexual misconduct and abuses, including the use of porn, especially sodomite porn, as a tool by child molesters, not to mention the debasement of the porn whores depicted in photos and videos.
littlejohn
Posted February 26, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink
Littlejohn – I have to respectfully disagree with you. First, I don’t think that corporate America wants a Democrat in the White House, because we are against Corporate Welfare. Also, I think a lot of people will vote Democrat not because they want a hand out, but because they have battle fatigue. I know I do. Not that I am or ever have been in Iraq, but I’m tired of trying to figure out what, if any, truths Bush is telling me. I’m tired of the worry that before he gets out of office, he will literally start WWIII. And finding out that McCain is a hothead and also Bush’s lackey, there really is no other option.
More PUKE from PUKE-KAY
TDT-
I have no disagreement with you. There are huge numbers that feel the way you, notwithstanding the “corporate welfare” comment. Bush has been a disaster. BUsh lite (McCain) will likely also be a disaster.
(don;t pin me down)Clinton is likely the same. My only vote of the leading candidates is Obama. And I disagree with 90% of his spending on entitlement programs. However, as best I can tell, he is honest about the issues and what he will do. I can accept that, even if we disagree. Them other sobs are like standing on quick sand. You never know where the problem is.
I just believe that Obama will rise to the top, on a sea ofthose who want his social programs combined with those who have battle fatigue and just want to get the hell out of Iraq.
Whitman was pro-abortion. In fact, she vetoed a bill that would have stopped abortion in NJ.
Fits in nicely with McCain’s liberal views. And drumroll please –
She is a woman!
I still like Condi better.
You all going to watch the Debate tonite??
No. who cares. I know I should, but I could care less about the candidates this election season. More of the same oh same oh.
BDP Fleettwood is so damn dumb that he doesn’t realize that his statistics actually prove exactly what WE’RE saying:
“In 1993, the top 1% were paying 28.7% of all taxes. The bottom 50%? Earning only 15% of the income but paying just 4.8% of the income taxes.”
NOW “we find the top 1% of all income earners in the United States paying a total of 20.3% of all of the personal income taxes collected by the IRS. The bottom 50% of all income earners were payign only 7.2% of all income taxes.”
So 15 years ago, the top 1 percent paid 8.7 percent MORE than they do now and the bottom 50 percent paid 2.4 percent LESS than they do now.
Exactly our point–the rich pay LESS and the poor pay MORE under Bush than ever before.
BTW, Fleettwood, if you weren’t the BDP, you’d see that this hurts people like you too.
From the Closed Thread
outlander–
Nothing that the Founders wrote sticks in my craw.
However, you neo-Puritans trying to overthrow the intention of the Founders does stick in my craw.
Amazing… two threads shut down in two days… both threads having to do with a bunch of racial slurs… and attacks… Most amazing!!
Lets start taking bets on how many times Chas will come back now after he said good night.
First Category:
How many times will Chas say good nite tonight?
Second Category:
How many times will Chas come back and post now that he has said good night?
Let the betting begin!
I wonder if my school lost their accredidation? I seem to catch grief for how I spell my concerns. What I am concerned about seems to be allowed because the Masta knows how to spell. They are allowed to mess us over and steal from us because they spell correctly. Is this why cries for help are not heard?? Or is it crys?? Eitherway, use spell check and you too can steal and mess over citizens of Kansas. Ask the Bigot Sebelius. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com The So-called hearted Illiterate???
Gee, Nathan, I havent said good night yet!! Is it that reading problem bothering you again??
Damn, thread closed. JR called it. THIS is how Obama as the nominee is going to get treated. Kumbaya y’all.
I was going to post this over there, but…
“wow, what a nasty turn this thread took.
JR, I think your Mom and kid are very special. Back at ya dude.
Steven, Steve Goodman ranks right behind John Prine. A VERY close second. No relation to John Goodman. I think Steve Goodman wrote “Souveniers” too. And co-wrote “Whistle and Fish”. He wrote for a lot of artists and was mentioned by the Blues Brothers as one of their inspirations.
Yes, lots of black folks are anti-semite. Not to mention homophobic. And some are anti-asian and anti-hispanic too.
I guess that makes them like everyone else, no? Lots of vice versas there. But the homophobia in the black CHURCHES is rampant. Very sad.
And REVERAND Jim Jones? Jesus WEPT. You could make that statement antichristian before anything else. And, as an aside, he had MANY black followers.
I think we could, and should, agree that every race has assholes and bigots.
And, like JP said, every race has folks with “gold inside”.
“It dont make no sense that common sense dont make no sense no sense no more”.
Obama has no idea what hell awaits after his coronation. Even governor “leadership” isnt going to be able to save him from being savaged.
And Tony Rezko goes on trial next week. Wonder if THAT will dominate the news?
I’ll say it again. The democrats will come to regret not nominating Hillary.
That is one!
Chas you most definately said good night:
Chas.
Posted February 26, 2008 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
“Nite all for now!!”
To quote the immortal words of the one, the only, Yogi Berra, “It aint over till it’s over!” Still a long time till the Convention for the Right Wing Spin Doctors to work against Obama…
Of course, mccain isnt going to like THIS either.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/taxi-to-the-dark-si... /
Taxi to the Dark Side director working on Abramoff film.
On Sunday, Alex Gibney won the Oscar for Best Documentary Feature for his work directing “Taxi to the Dark Side,” which investigated the Bush administration’s interrogation practices.
Gibney’s next project — due out later this year — is a documentary on the Abramoff scandal, including Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) role. “Interestingly enough, not many politicians went on the record,” Gibney sarcastically added.
Obama wont do what Kerry did, and roll over like a big dog playing dead… Thats one hope that is still left!!
Yeah and I saw Obama commenting after one of Senator Clinton’s “attacks”.
Geez he looked like a whipped puppy!
Now I don’t guess he or maybe even his supporters realize it, but whoever is the Democratic nominee is going to be walking into a buzzsaw.
And when either Clinton or Obama win the office, the cons are gonna be in full blown, scorched earth mode.
“Obama wont do what Kerry did, and roll over like a big dog playing dead… ”
How do you know that?
I think the fear should be that he’ll try so hard to be above the fight that he’ll let them get away with political murder.
He’s gonna WISH the Clintons were behind him and getting his back.
Yeah JR. He’s not going to play dead. He’ll just reach around, er, reach across the aisle and all will be well. He’ll bring them together with all the democrats and sing kumbaya.
Then he’ll BE dead, not just playing it. Uh, in a metaphor kinda way, not literally. Geez, I hope not literally.
Hmmmm…
Some reich wingers missing after the other race baiting thread was closed.
Wonder if anyone got tombstoned?
It will be for Obama’s own good if Senator Clinton really goes after him tonight.
The most emotional I’ve seen him is….frustrated.
McCain is going to be red faced and ranting.
Obama is not gonna get away with fiddling with his notes and digging his toes. He is going to have to learn to take a punch AND throw 3 back.
Jest eatin some home made chili kfg… and watching the threads…
OMG, the rude one nails it again. He has a really funny post about Mark Halperin and his points on how mccain should attack obama. god damn roll on the floor funny.
REALLY rude language. Not for the faint of heart. Usual warnings. And he whacks hillary below the halperin post, but hey, no one is perfect.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
HEE HEE HEE. He also suggests someone put Xanex in Nader’s muscli…
Tiahrt said on his town hall meeting that Western Ks. needs the power from the sunflower plant to run their irrigation wells!
I’ll check that out later kfg.
This debate will be interesting.
Another thing Hillary has? Better non verbal skills in a debate.
She at least looks as if she is listening intently and attentively to every word that is said.
Obama looks at the podium, out into space and at his notes. I think this would cause him to miss things in a debate with McCain. While Hillary can look attentinve while awaiting a chance to pounce.
Goddamn Phantom. Way to ruin my evening…
Sigh. And Steve Miller says that western Kansas REALLY needs the power for the ethanol plant, both existing and planned.
Notice how many ethanol plants have been scrapped lately?
Toddly shows how out of touch he is. Irrigation should be DECREASING not increasing. No more irrigation rights are being granted, since david poop, er, Pope overappropriated them for the last twenty years.
So.. if they have enough electricity for irrigation NOW, they will have enough for the future.
Jesus WEPT. WHY do you all keep sending that asswipe to congress? He’s proving he’s even dumber than Steve Miller.
And that is going some…
The best humor always has a some truth to it.
Question: Shouldn’t voters have to pass an intelligence test?
Answer: You don’t have to be intelligent to vote, everybody can vote.
Question: What if there are more stupid people than intelligent people that vote?
Answer: Then the Democrats win.
Hey, I know, let’s start calling him “nozzle head”. Like irrigaton nozzles, instead of tankers.
Naaaaaaaa. Let’s just call him toast.
I cant believe the democrats down there cant come up with someone to beat him.
Must have missed that part Phantom, I got called way down the list and then cut off. :)
I heard Tiahrt state that three employees quit the Department of the Environment because their boss wanted them to find the science to back up the statements that justified denying the license. The employees quit stating there was no science to be found that matched the statements.
Interesting comment I thought.
Must have been on overload as I only got to listen to the conference for a few minutes.
For fun, another look at outlander’s ‘Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age’ op-ed.
Note the phrase, “suffered record cold temperatures”.
“The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January “was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average.””
Here’s Lorne Gunter’s source. “49th coolest January in 114 years” is not a very impressive “record”.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html
“The average temperature in January 2008 was 30.5 F. This was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 49th coolest January in 114 years.”
Click “Submit” at the link to get a graph of January temperatures from 1895 to 2008. There are years with mid-20’s, compared to 2008’s 30.5 deg F.
H/T to Deltoid, and SadlyNo.
And besides, I just heard today that Florida is having record HIGH temperatures right now… even had some type of cause to a huge power outage in Florida today!!
Looks like the Editors are gonna clean this place up, for a change!! Most nice…
Man, it really bothers you, Cosmos, when someone doesn’t fall in lockstep doesn’t it? I notice that some of the “how to defeat a global warming skeptic” sites don’t address the documented lack of sunspot activity and the possibility of a cooling of the climate. So this goes unaddressed.
Flying by the seat of your pants, huh?
This is a cut and paste from a story that ran on that leftist-liberal-pinko-commie Wall Street Journal editorial page.
I’m offering it as red meat for gun nuts such as “Max,” “Nathan,” “Hank Price et al, to give us all an example of how out of line they are with “Obama’s Gonna Steal Your Guns” rhetoric.
At Cornell College on Dec. 5, for example, a student asked Mr. Obama how his administration would view the Second Amendment. He replied: “There’s a Supreme Court case that’s going to be decided fairly soon about what the Second Amendment means. I taught Constitutional Law for 10 years, so I’ve got my opinion. And my opinion is that the Second Amendment is probably — it is an individual right and not just a right of the militia. That’s what I expect the Supreme Court to rule. I think that’s a fair reading of the text of the Constitution. And so I respect the right of lawful gun owners to hunt, fish, protect their families.”
“Like all rights, though, they are constrained and bound by the needs of the community . . . So when I look at Chicago and 34 Chicago public school students gunned down in a single school year, then I don’t think the Second Amendment prohibits us from taking action and making sure that, for example, ATF can share tracing information about illegal handguns that are used on the streets and track them to the gun dealers to find out — what are you doing?”
“There is a tradition of gun ownership in this country that can be respected that is not mutually exclusive with making sure that we are shutting down gun traffic that is killing kids on our streets. The argument I have with the NRA is not whether people have the right to bear arms. The problem is they believe any constraint or regulation whatsoever is something that they have to beat back. And I don’t think that’s how most lawful firearms owners think.”
Read the full piece at:
http://tinyurl.com/yw63r2
You are missing an important point MonkeyHawk.
That point is that most murderers committed by handguns, including those killing the youth of America are guns illegally obtained.
Legitimate gun owners are not the problem.
Yes, there are some psychopaths that escape the system and that needs tightening up.
Legitimate gun ownership is the law, it’s written in the second Amendment.
Even Abortion is not backed by an Amendment and yet some claim it’s their right.
So which is it going to be Monkeyhawk? Rights guaranteed by an Amendment or some Liberal interpretation by showing skewed statistics?
Regular
Posted February 26, 2008 at 6:56 pm | Permalink
I heard Tiahrt state that three employees quit the Department of the Environment because their boss wanted them to find the science to back up the statements that justified denying the license. The employees quit stating there was no science to be found that matched the statements.
and of course you believe him carte blanche — ur bothidiots
uradiot (sic),
I’m pretty sure I wrote, “I found it interesting.” I made no comment one way or the other regarding Tiahrt’s comment.
If you have followed the threads, you will find I’m against building new coal plants.
But you know uradiot, don’t let facts get in your way of posting accurate information.
Make that – building new coal-fired plants…
the troll must have neglected his meds today…….
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GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE
Uh oh. I really would rather see global warming than global cooling. Maybe global warming can help cancel out global cooling.
“All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.”
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
“A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C — a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year’s time. For all four sources, it’s the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.”
Holy crap! Cosmos?
Easy outlander, cosmos will fall back on the “Climate Change” mantra to cover himself instead of the words “Global Warming.”
You know, the “I didn’t mean to say that I meant to say this” phraseology. :)
Appears to me that “the Hillary” is blowing it in the debate. She’s responding with defensive remarks and her emotions are making her ’squeaky’ sounding.
+++++ Obama Clinton —-+
Oh whatever Con.
Nice sexism there.
I wish the editors would open a debate thread BEFORE the debate starts.
I see a long line of GW advocates standing the unemployment lines. I see Cosmos even now building his rebuttal of the weather patterns.
Algore you might be out looking for a job once again. I hearing there might be an opening at the New Ice Age seminar.
How’s the word “shrill” work for ya then PMom? :D
From a Public Speaking perspective, I think they are a dead heet on a Merry Go Round… They are both doing VERY good in presentation —
The opposition cry of “Shrillary” is getting OLD… much of that has to do with Mic settings, and size of arena… They are both doing REAL good in format, and in delivery!!
At this point, from what I am hearing… Either one of these two could debate CIRCLES around McCain… McCain is not a real terrific public speaker…
But then again, neither was Ike, or Ford (ooops he wasnt elected) or of course, GWB`
+++++ Obama Clinton —-+
Either is still better than:
McCain———————-Infinity
Nothing like an old Republican fart to get Regular “excited”.
JWink
Posted February 26, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink
Does anyone see a pattern here? Looks like Wichita EAGLE’s opinion editors are heading for support of the Barach Obama presidential bid.
Gee, who do you think will sell more papers? Wrinkly old fart McCain or handsome black dude history making Obama?
Duh.
I wish you all would just quit picking on cosmos, right now!!!
He more than anyone else on the blog, except maybe Chas, JR, Capn, Apophis, uraidiot, MonkeyHawk, et all, always stops to think before he posts.
I just wish he wouldn’t always forget to start again before he types. Same for the rest of you guys.
I envision you all to perpetually look friendly, having a smile on your face because you don’t know what the hell is going on.
I know, I know,
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I stop now….and go play somewhere else. Resume.
“Regular” –
“…most murderers committed by handguns, including those killing the youth of America are guns illegally obtained.
Not VaTech. Not Northern Illinois University. Not the guy who emptied his semi-automatic fake RK-47 into a Jewish daycare center. Not the kids at Columbine. Not… well, not a lot of them.
At some point you’ve got to face up that (as with gun shows) the real crime is what is legal.
“Legitimate gun owners are not the problem.
And that’s what Obama said, as he was agreeing with what he thinks (as a former professor in Constitutional law) will be the SCOTUS ruling that the right-to-keep-and-bear is an individual right. (I don’t agree, but I’m on record as wanting such a SCOTUS opinion and I’m perfectly willing live with the decision, even if (as with Bush v. Gore in December, 2000) I disagree with it.
Playing by the rules is part of being a patriot.
Playing by the rules may just turn out to be the curse of liberalism.
“Yes, there are some psychopaths that escape the system and that needs tightening up.
When is the last time the NRA supported “tightening up” of any gun law?
outlander,
What are you talking about?
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
“Global Temperature Trends: 2007 Summation
The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the “El Niño of the century”. The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.
Figure 1 shows 2007 temperature anomalies relative to the 1951-1980 base period mean. The global mean temperature anomaly, 0.57°C (about 1°F) warmer than the 1951-1980 mean, continues the strong warming trend of the past thirty years that has been confidently attributed to the effect of increasing human-made greenhouse gases (GHGs) (Hansen et al. 2007). The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990. ”
‘Global Temperature from GISS, NCDC, HadCRU’
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/giss-ncdc-hadcru/
It’s the second Amendment, Monkeyhawk.
It’s the law.
And outlander,
I wasn’t “bothered” that you believe Lorne Gunter’s ridiculous op-ed — I thought that was funny… and also sad.
“outlander,
What are you talking about?”
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This.
“A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C — a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year’s time. For all four sources, it’s the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.”
“Regular” enlightens us with an amazing grasp of the obvious –
“It’s the second Amendment, Monkeyhawk.
“It’s the law.
And I specically and explicitly said I’m willing to live with the upcoming SCOTUS decision regarding an “individual” right or a “states’” right.
Are you?
Seriously.
Are you willing to follow the rule of Constitutional Law or are you gonna run off and whine about “activist judges” should the upcoming SCOTUS case goes the other way.
‘Cause, ya see? I don’t have a “way.” I’m willing to accept the law and have looked forward for years for the SCOTUS to define exactly what “the law” is.
Even if I think it’s as mistaken as Plessy v. Furgeson, I’ll live under that law just as I lived with the ill-advised and (by order of the Court) not to be held as precedent decision in December, 2000 of Bush v. Gore.
Were this Court — ESPECIALLY THIS COURT! — were to decide the 2nd Amendment is basically a States’ Rights issue and not an Individual Rights issue, would you accept that decision?
Will
Just wondering Cosmos. And noticing how you fail to address the jist of opposing arguments.
I have only a passing interest in the global warming controversy, but I would see those temperature figures as being quite significant and quite concerning.
Technically then, the second amendment says I can bear nukes too.
They’re arms.
It will never be assigned as a State’s rights issue because the responsibility belongs to the Federal government as assigned by the second Amendment.
It would require a change to the Amendment, which is not likely.
I’m pretty sure the Supreme Court doesn’t want to fritter away individual rights to the States. If they did, then the first amendment would be next on the chopping block.
The BHO v. HRC last debate is over. It seemed contentious, but not out of line in view. I don’t think BHO messed up and thus he did not lose. He seemed more gracious to Clinton than she did to him – which seemed to help him also.
My view, only.
Nathan
Posted February 26, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink
That is one!
Chas you most definately said good night:
Chas.
Posted February 26, 2008 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
“Nite all for now!!”
=============================
Nathan shows he does not understand the meaning of the two words: “for now” LOL For now, as in look at the time stamp… ummmm dinner time, Nathan?? Gee, for now means, FOR NOW… a temporary break… How PLAIN can it get???
You just LOOK for something to pick at…
Well, you go ahead and PICK away, boy… It just shows your relative IQ level!! Have at it!!
An octopus has arms too PMom, go grab yourself one. :D
Its a good thing we dont have a bunch of linguistic literalists here… That 2nd Amendment COULD mean that I have a right to wear a shirt without sleeves — oh, that would be BARE arms, wouldnt it??? :roll:
Where’s the trigger on a nuclear “arm”(ament) Chas? :)
outlander
I never lie. But at times I must point out uncomfortable but relevant truths.
I asked you once why you chose the nic you use.
Your reply was along the line that you do it to constantly remind yourself that you are not of this world, but the next.
I believe I have the gist of that. Feel free to correct.
Now given that, is it fair to speculate that perhaps you are not terribly concerned with this world or what happens to it? You being of mind that you are not, in the end of this world I mean.
And if that is the case, couldn’t I infer that your opinions on global warming are not based on concern for this world but…..something else?
Could you enlighten us as to what it is that prompts you to oppose efforts to reduce or eliminate the use of fossil fuels?
I’ll afford you that chance before I speculate.
“Could you enlighten us as to what it is that prompts you to oppose efforts to reduce or eliminate the use of fossil fuels?”
——————
I don’t.
You do have a short memory don’t you JR? We exchanged comments on this yesterday. Nukes. Remember now?
The debate?
Seems to me MSNBC saw Saturday Night Live and attempted to one up not JUST CNN’s starry eyed love for Obama but instead tried to one up the send up!
I don’t know when I have seen such a biased forum.
And I think Obama signalled that he will engage no more debates.
Obama continues to leave me very worried.
“Regular” dodged the question while posting –
“I’m pretty sure the Supreme Court doesn’t want to fritter away individual rights to the States.”
Which puts you in direct agreement with Barack Obama’s response (quoted above)!
But that wasn’t the question, “Regular.”
I said I would live with the SCOTUS decision that’s coming, even if I disagree.
You chose to not respond to my question, hypothetical as it might be, if the SCOTUS were to declare it a *militia* amendment rather than an individual amendment.
Don’t wanna answer, do ya?
Nuclear energy creates toxic waste that lasts for tens of thousands of years outlander. Like I said yesterday, that may be an even WORSE thing than fossil fuels.
J R
Posted February 26, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink
outlander
“I never lie.”
HA HA HA HA HA
Cosmos, as you shoot down any scientist contradicting AGW as being on Exxon’s payroll, I submit this: from your source “Goddard Space Flight Center plays a leading role in global change research”, clearly their funding gets a boost from the AGW crowd.
“the most exciting planetary research involves trying to understand the climate change on earth that will result from anthropogenic changes of the atmospheric composition.”-Dr. James E. Hansen
Note the “will result from anthropogenic changes”
The Dr. seems unbiased in his research…ha ha!
Nathan I acknowledge that lately you have descended into little more than part of the peanut gallery here.
While I initially did not understand the wide contempt there is for you, I am coming to understand it.
outlander,
Did you read my 9:20 pm post? Such as,
“The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.”
And there is nothing “quite significant and quite concerning” about this.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/jan/global.html
“Based on preliminary data, the globally averaged combined land and sea surface temperature was the thirty-first warmest on record for January 2008.”
JR,
How judgemental of you, you holier than thou types who have contempt for others…
Oh the irony!
“J R” –
Barack cleaned her clock.
And, whether you like it or not, a lot of it had to do with style.
Poor Hillary walked into a big building and started to play to the crowd instead of realizing the most important audience was sitting in the living room.
After the first commerical break, she got better and dialed it back. But she lost it out of the gate.
Just like next week’s primaries, she needed to win this debate going away. At best — at very very best — she lost the debate by a nose.
But we know better, “J R,” don’t we?
Hypothetical questions that have no chance of surviving the smell test Monkeyhawk, aren’t worth an answer.
Monkeyhawk you and the Obamaniacs are about to make one of the biggest mistakes in American electoral history.
And you are happy as a pig in slop.
Obama was unimpressive. And this is not over.
But my take is McCain would make Obama look like he is about 6 years old.
I don’t think Obama cleaned Hillary’s clock. But I sure wish I could email Olbermann and ask him if could just tatoo Obama on his forehead.
Rachel Maddow says McCain was the winner in this debate?
Is she high?
J R I am curious… Do you smell a Republican “shadow” hiding in the wings; poised and ready to come storming into the convention and taking it away from McCain??
Like I said… Just curious??
Yeah MSNBC and their pundits lost a lot of respect with me political mama.
again from cosmos source/link
“Meanwhile, the January 2008 Southern Hemisphere sea ice extent was much above the 1979-2000 mean. This was the largest sea ice extent in January over the 30-year historical period. Sea ice extent for January has increased at a rate of 1.9%/decade.”
Rachel is being… cryptic??
yeah Chas, it’s SUPER REPUB!
Smarter than your average Reagan.
Able to leap short Democrats in a single bound.
Faster than a Democrat speeding to a Government handout.
(chortles)
We know what you think, “J R” –
And your visceral hatred for Barack Obama is clearly evident.
Not rational anymore, but evident.
So fine.
You and “ksfarmgrrl” don’t address any of the issues I present, merely return to your comfort level of arguments that best serve your biases.
We’ve got eight months to hope that you’ll come to your senses and vote for the Democratic candidate.
I’m gonna vote for the Democratic candidate, I guarantee you. I’ve grown numb trying to explain to you that either Demcratic candidate cooks for me. I simply believe the better *candidate* is Senator Obama.
And tonight he proved it once again.
Barack’s gonna win this thing. And it’ll be a good thing.
Just try to start getting used to it. I know it will take a while for you to face reality, but there’s time.
Regular, is your name “J R” ???
In my view, Obama won the debate tonight by a narrow margin. Hillary needed to win big time and just didn’t do it.
She needed home runs and all she got was bunt singles. Obama, however, did hit a few out of the park.
No one is going to change their mind based on this debate and that works, very decidedly, in Barack’s favor. He is now the front runner by a large margin and Hillary has only a few days to make up some serious ground or she will be forced to drop out.
That having been said, BOTH Obama and Clinton would/will wipe the floor with McBush. McCain does not realize it, but he is this years sacrificial lamb from the GOP.
Obama will be the president elect cover November.
Easily.
I did allude to that earlier Chas.
McCain has a HUGE potential problem with campaign finance. His own I mean.
When Romney bowed out at an odd time I said something seemed out of place. And then there is this weird thing with Huckabee staying in.
It is unwise for the Dems to settle on a nominee too quickly. This is the most unusual and dynamic time in recent American political history.
ANTI posted February 26, 2008 at 10:03 pm
“Cosmos, as you shoot down any scientist contradicting AGW as being on Exxon’s payroll, …”
Actually, I’ve pointed out that those who claim to “contradict” AGW, don’t have any credible science to support their claim — and that some have been funded by the fossil-fuel industry.
Monkeyhawk I do not put your rather odd nic in quotes.
And I will ask the same of you.
I’m a known quantity here and for a lot longer than you.
And you may save your condescension. Your willingness to embrace your cotton candydate clearly extends to declaring some on your own side “acceptable losses”.
Me, I don’t bail on my friends to play touchy feely with my enemies.
IF Obama is the nominee, my options at this time do not include supporting him on any level.
ANTI,
‘Sea Ice, North and South, Then and Now’
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/sea-ice-north-and-south-then-and-now/
Cosmos- I forgot to add if the scientist isn’t peer reviewed…blah blah…ipcc..blah it is junk science as well.
my apologizes
“And your visceral hatred for Barack Obama is clearly evident.”
You’ve a reputation for popping off here lately monkeyhawk.
You might want to think twice before any involuntary outburst in my direction.
I defended Obama and I’ve the posts here to prove it.
There are people out here who are actually hurting. Now so far, best I’ve heard from Obama is something along the line of “it’s their fault”.
Agreed Pmom. I think Hillary showed why she would be the better president. Obama appeared cowed. And the moderators were maddening. Ol Punkin’ head russert wanted to argue with Hillary, not moderate a debate.
She clearly is the master if the issues, and once again, all obama had to offer was how he would “bring people together”.
I guess if the closed thread is any indication, that’s working for him, eh, not so much.
I say Hillary won. It wasnt a knockout and she didnt run up the score, but she won. Great explanation of her NAFTA position despite russert trying another “gotchya” moment. And she did well making Obama REJECT the Nation of Islam while he was trying to have it both ways. Accept and use the support while saying he disapproves of the message.
Same crap he pulled with donnie mcclurkin. He accepts all the benefits of the bigot’s support, but then issues a statement saying he disagrees with his view. Woof. Why not reject him and his bigotry instead of letting him headline and MC a fundraiser, then preach for thirty minutes at the end.
Someone needed to tell obama you cant have it both ways. And I think Hillary just did.
She had the best closing statement. And that lasts.
And then what did the MSNBC people do? Start RIGHT in on how Hillary scored a bunch of field goals not touchdowns.
She won. Get over it. The media bias against Hillary is insane. And obvious. It sure keeps women in her camp.
And if obama seemed cowed tonight? Wait until he runs up against the republican buzz saw for the first time. He’ll look like a dressed out cow…
We’ll see what happens with McCain’s FEC problem.
If he takes the money he’s a true “reformer” and can gripe about the Democratic candidate having way more money. In other words, he can whine.
If he gets out from under the FEC’s campaign budget limits, he’s playing the game like every other Washington pol. “And Barak’s another one!”
McCain was for sweetheart flights on lobbyists’ corporate jets before he was against it… and afterwards.
Cosmos, how is Al these days. I haven’t seen him in the news lately. Is he working on the Algore-Jugend program?
The MadMax said:
“2. Condoleezza Rice – more conservative Republican, female & black.
“(Sex and Race are the two biggest criteria for a Presidential or VP candidate you know.)
“I would prefer Rice, but Whitman is the more likely choice.”
Oh please, God, make John McCain pick Condi Rice as V.P. – the national security advisor who was so busy with infighting aimed toward making her an important member of George’s cabinet that she overlooked the obvious warning signs signalling the worst attack on America soil in History. Please God, grant us this one wish…
Max, please advise on the substances you smoke, if I ever need to escape reality, I want to have some of that stuff!
And for god’s sake WINK noticed the WE editorial bias against Hillary. And he’s a republican. Perhaps this explains some of that bias? A little corporate pressure? NO Mcclatchy paper has endorsed anyone but obama and mccain.
none
I think perhaps the WE editorial staff is not as independant as they would like us to think. Many papers have yet to endorse a candidate, including the WE.
Why?
Your bias is obvious and the Kansas primary is over. Why not endorse? I think you’ve also got your corporate marching orders.
Resistance is futile…
Check out the chain endorsements.
http://www.kansas.com/514/story/302909.html
“Obama, however, did hit a few out of the park.”
He did?
Huh. I watched the whole debate.
I saw SEVERAL oportunities for Senator Clinton to dress down Obama. And I saw in her eyes that she knew it.
And didn’t do it.
McCain will not be so kind.
America soil = American soil
uh huh…..I bet the 1870 ice research was very extensive and peer reviewed, you know with the sophisticated instruments and computers…oh wait…
They are NOT going to pick condi. Her long term lesbian partner and relationship would be outed. You know, the one she shares her home with for years and shares credit cards with? Yeah. That one.
And you know the black community dont play with the gay.
I saw that look in her eyes too, JR. He says he’s gonna bring the country together, but never says how. Does he intend to stump 24/7 after he’s preznit? He’s going to have to repeat his stumping too, because it appears the magical effect wears off and needs to be repeated. Like junkies, the obamamaniacs always need another fix.
Again, I see how well that kumbaya thing worked out on the thread that got closed for nasty racism.
Funny, but FAR more vile things get said about gay folks and no thread was ever shut down because of that.
I guess some pigs are just more equal than others.
cosmos appears not to have a dog in the Presidential fight, now that the Goracle is on the sidelines.
Hillary is still trying to get the “ruby slippers” from Obama.
Obama’s clever little bit about “I guess if you oppose something, I figure you don’t uh..vote for it”
Not word for word I’m sure.
I saw Hillary click just like I did.
Obama voted “present” how many times?
But she let it go.
I’vve noticed that too, KFG… And I dont like that one bit… If they can shut down a thread for nasty racist crap, they should do it for nasty, gay bashing crap too!!
“McCain does not realize it, but he is this years sacrificial lamb from the GOP.”
An excellent and awesome observation, Clark! Would those folks love sacrificing anyone more then McCain? I think not.
“You and “ksfarmgrrl” don’t address any of the issues I present”
Monkey, you have yet to present any “issues”. To paraphrase joe biden, you say a noun, a verb, and inspiration. Or a variation which is a noun, a verb, and hope. Or the third theme of a noun, a verb, and “bring the country together”.
When you bring up an actual “issue” as you call it, we might address it. But…
I think we have fully illuminated the nonsense that hope, inspiration and shouting about change are all you AND obama have got. We’re still waiting to learn how hope and inspiration will produce the needed change.
And meanwhile, Hillary clocked him on specifics of health care, foreign policy, military policy and economic issues.
He just says, hope and change, hope and change.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
“Obama, however, did hit a few out of the park.”
Yes, he did – try listening to the crowd reaction and not just your personal bias.
If you are a true Democrat, you will understand that we have to support our candidate in November. If you vote third party or choose not to vote, you are not a true Democrat.
Not voting at all is borderline unAmerican.
But if you choose to vote third party you may as well campaign and vote for McCain.
You can’t always get what you want in a candidate, but if you try some time, you just might find, you get what you need.
Apologies to Jagger/Richards.
SO, JR… I know Nader isnt the one man genius hiding in the shaadows… but who do you think it might be??
It just goes to show that the sheeple love a good show. Specific actions that get the job done? Eh, the sheeple love them not so much.
Bread and circus, bread and circus.
Hillary provides the bread, and obama the circus.
I third that chas and kfg.
Monkeyhawk you seem a bit defensive about me and kfg.
You think WE’RE tough on you and your cotton candydate?
IF he is the nominee, he will face the most viscious assault in the history of American politics. You better ask yourself if he and his supporters are up for that.
“Obama’s clever little bit about “I guess if you oppose something, I figure you don’t uh..vote for it””
Makes sense to me – if you are opposed to the damned proposal, don’t vote for the damned proposal.
Basic math.
Barack hit that one out of the park.
I thought the denounce/reject moment was quite touching sarcasm/off
ANTI posted February 26, 2008 at 10:34 pm
“Cosmos- I forgot to add if the scientist isn’t peer reviewed…blah blah…ipcc..blah it is junk science as well.
my apologizes
It’s the science that gets peer-reviewed, not the “scientist”. And the IPCC just compiles the published, peer-reviewed science into reports.
I dont need a president who loves him some donnie mcclurkin and kirbyjon caldwell. I dont need a president to give me hope. ANSWERS give me hope, not speeches. I need some experience in a candidate, and someone who has actually faced a real republican opponent and won.
“If you vote third party or choose not to vote, you are not a true Democrat.”
I’ve already said countless times I am not a democrat anymore, much less a real (meaning koolaide drinking) democrat.
“Not voting at all is borderline unAmerican.”
With all due respect Clark, I disagree. Voting for someone I dont respect because HE doesnt respect me would be UnAmerican.
Obama has as good as said he doesnt want the gay vote. He just denounced mcclurkin’s views, just like he tried to weasel around Farrakans views.
I want him to REJECT mcclurkin and the whole ex gay torture movement.
He cant have it both ways. Saying politely he disagrees while using him and his supporters to fill the coffers and ballot box.
hypocrisy, thy name is… obama
I am sorry WS but you PROVE my point.
YOU said Obama hit a few out of the park.
I asked which ones?
And far as I saw, it was Senator Clinton that got the only applause.
Is he up for that? Barack Obama, with his Harvard law degree and editor of the Law Review pedigree, chose to hit the streets of Chicago as a community organizer.
Do you think those people played hardball?
Those folks that Barack had to deal with make John W. McBush look like a door to door Girl Scout cookie salesperson.
Barack is more than tough enough and he will wipe the floors with McCain in a debate.
How many times did Obama vote “present” WS?
Hillary COULD have shot that back at him.
She held her fire.
McCain won’t.
Ya know Clark, I could just as easily turn this around.
““I guess if you oppose something, I figure you don’t uh..vote for it””
How about “I guess if you oppose bigotry aqainst gay people, you dont invite a homophobe to MC and headline and preach at an important fundraiser”.
I notice he hasnt rejected the support of mcclurkin or his followers. Or caldwell and his followers. Oh, he denounces homophobia, but allows it to headline a fundraiser.
Parsing is as parsing does.
“And far as I saw, it was Senator Clinton that got the only applause.”
Applause for Obama on the vote issue.
Applause for Obama on the reject/denounce issue.
Applause for Obama on the Iraq speech v. action issue.
Boos for Hillary – many.
Winner – Barack Obama.
I agree JR. I may have been out of the room getting a drink, but HILLARY got the applause from the crowd during the debate, not barack.
Oops, you are right Clark on this one
“Applause for Obama on the reject/denounce issue.”
I dont recall applause on the others.
And I do NOT recall Hillary being booed once, much less many times.
“Ya know Clark, I could just as easily turn this around.”
Sorry, Grrl, but you are trying to turn this into a one issue campaign. Barack has been clear on his position regarding gay rights.
Has Hillary denounced Bill’s race baiting tactics?
Has Hillary denounced playing the “drug dealer” card?
If you don’t feel you can vote for Barack Obama because of McClurkin, then by all means don’t vote for him.
But the rest of us Democrats recognize what REALLY happened and understand that Obama is as much a friend to the gay community as Hillary ever could be.
Don’t vote for him – take J R with you.
That’s fine, but the rest of us wicked liberals are going to move on to victory in November.
Ya know WS?
You are not the easiest poster to back up here.
I’ve never failed to defend you.
Recently, you said to my concerns re:Obama “fine, we will win without you.”
Or words to that effect.
Now me and kfg have been fighting the cons here a lot longer than you.
You told me you didn’t need me and you want me to bail on a good friend?
Your candydate will have to make a much better case.
Only Senator Clinton has known the fire that Obama is walking smiling into.
Hillary’s point about voting for a bill she didnt like was that the alternative, voting no as obama did, meant there would be NO caps on credit card interest. She and others felt like it would be best, in the republican controlled senate, to have SOME cap in place. Obama voted no for the grandstand effect, but had his vote swung the outcome, there would have been NO caps on usury rates.
And didnt I read that he passed the first time and only voted no when he knew the bill would pass? I’ll have to look that up.
I dont remember that they asked either one of them about the gay issue… But, I was also in and out of the room… help??
Your hatred for Obama has apparently affected your ears also, Grrl, but the debate will be repeated on MSNBC tonight at 12:00 PM.
tiny bubbles, in the wine…
make me a happy…
all the time…
la la la la la la
And WS just dissed his friends again.
You better be careful about the new friends Barack wants to make for ya WS.
OK, J R and KFG. But the one major point that Clark hit on tonight is that McCain is the perfect (R) candidate. If he loses they cheer – “we got rid of that McCain/Feingold asshole!” If he wins (given the liberal [sic] turn in the electorate) they say – “don’t like him – at least he is a Republic”. Perfect… It is a win for them either way.
Our situation is different, is it not?
“You are not the easiest poster to back up here.”
I am a big boy, J R, and I do not give a damn how long you have been here, I can take care of myself and have done so for 56 years.
I campaigned for Bobby before you were born.
If you find it difficult to “back me up” then by all means, don’t do it – I don’t need your help.
“But the rest of us Democrats recognize what REALLY happened”
Yes, PLEASE tell us what really happened. Other than that the obama campaign let mcclurkin headline a fundraiser, MC the event, and then preach his homophobic spew for thirty minutes at the end.
Because THAT is what really happened.
And then he issues a statement saying he did not agree with mcclurkin’s views. After the event was over, after the money was counted and after he knew he had pandered enough to win the SC evangelical vote.
Other than that, what DID “really happen”?
Just like with the Nation of Islam. He wanted their support, their money and their votes. Then he said he denounced their views.
As church lady would say, “how conveeeeeeenient”.
It was only when Hillary pinned him down that he strongly rejected their support.
After he already had it.
I thought you were born in 1952 WSClark and later in the year, you’re not 56 yet. :D
“And WS just dissed his friends again.”
In the last half hour, both you and Grrl have DISSED me, J R, because I support one Democrat over another.
Can you even see the irony in that?
Damn.
“I dont remember that they asked either one of them about the gay issue… ”
No, they didnt. And I find that interesting and maddening. I WISH someone would pin obama’s ears back on his words vs. his actions.
But they wont. Because our votes dont matter. No wonder folks like Clark tell us to take a hike.
They DONT need our votes.
Now you see why I may not cast a presidential ballot at all?
It.Doesnt.Matter.
Candidates are free to disrespect gay folks with NO repercussions from the media.
Oh please dumb one, do the lyrics right:
“Tiny bubbles, in the wine
“Make me feel happy, make me feel fine.”
From Don Ho.
And, Grrl, you so CONveniently failed to answer regarding the drug and race baiting tactics of the Clinton campaign.
I guess those are all okay with you.
I didn’t tell you to take yours and go we don’t need you WS.
“Don’t vote for him – take J R with you.”
Clark, I like you and consider you a blog friend. Please point out where I have “dissed” you.
I have dissed your candidate and his hypocrisy and ineptitude. But I have not insulted you.
Dont conflate the two.
Robert Johnson apologized for bringing up the drug use thing. I agree, it was a bad thing to do. It hasnt been done since. What do you want me to say?
Obama has YET to apologize for the mcclurkin fiasco.
I dont recall the campaign doing any race baiting. I recall facts being reported, and I recall obama playing the race card to win votes.
Specifics please. What race baiting are you refering to?
I see KFG’s grievances and I will not turn my back on them or her.
I also saw Barack Obama tell me that because I cannot afford health insurance for my kid, I am irresponsible.
Now I’m as idealistic as anyone. MORE even.
But there has to be SUBSTANCE when ya rattle on about “hope”.
And you don’t cut your friends to cut a deal.
Oh, and Hillary “denounced” Johnson’s comments about Barack’s drug use as well. What apology or denouncement do you still want?
Still waiting on barack to apologize and denounce mcclurkin and kirbyjon caldwell.
And apologize for refusing to have his picture taken with Gavin Newsom, the mayor of S.F. AFTER Newsom hosted a fundraiser for obama.
Wanna talk about disrespect?
Do any of you remember 1980?? Reagan announced his run for the White House… And the very FIRST “organization” to endorse his candidacy was the KKK… Ronnie never said ONE WORD about it… The media let it pass by… In that case, it was like nobody wanted to challenge Grandpa…
This thing with Nation of Islam endorsing Obama… is somewhat similar… However, now, some 28 years later… the nation wont let that kind of over the edge radical endorsement just “go away” like it did with Reagan…
And I think Obama really didnt believe there is any difference between saying I “denounce” Minister Farakan’s endorsement… and saying I “reject” his endorsement…
Just my take on that one…
“And you don’t cut your friends to cut a deal.”
And that is exactly what obama did with the mcclurkin deal. He traded his gay supporters and raised us the black evangelical vote.
He can count, that is for sure. I dont know why he set us up as opposites though. He could have had a gospel fundraiser without bigots like marymary, hezakiah walker and donnie mccloset.
But he didnt, now did he?
How about Obama vs. 100 more years in Iraq? Hard choice? I think not.
Please, oh please, God, have John make Condi Rice his V.P. Max would be happy and so would your humble servant, Steven Davis!
Still waiting on a response to this:
”
Posted February 26, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink
“But the rest of us Democrats recognize what REALLY happened”
Yes, PLEASE tell us what really happened.”
Funny Chas, I thought it was Hollyfornia Republicans and the Screen Actors Guild that were the first to support Reagan. :D
But Steen, McCain needs to find a Blonde, eh??
Steven, I dont understand your 11:11 post so I didnt respond.
But I agree, I sure would like to see Condi be his running mate.
Steen = Steven fingers dont want to worrrrk toniteee
He did that kfg.
And then he started the stuff about the “GOP party of ideas” and extolling Ronald Reagan.
WS you say kfg and I dissed you.
No. We made you look at yourself and your candidate.
bad dddday herree
People:
Going to bed. I definitely prefer that Hillary would be our candidate. That may not happen. I will support our party’s nominee.
Night all.
i will work on editing better :-)
“How about Obama vs. 100 more years in Iraq? Hard choice? I think not.”
I could support obama in the VP slot, but not at the top.
And both obama and mccain dont care if they get “the gay vote”. So why should I bother?
“What race baiting are you refering to?”
Bill Clinton’s in South Carolina.
“I also saw Barack Obama tell me that because I cannot afford health insurance for my kid, I am irresponsible.”
Nonsense – he said that Hillary’s garnishment suggestion was not acceptable.
“It just goes to show that the sheeple love a good show.”
The last thing I am is a sheeple.
Barack denounced McClurkin’s comments and position, Hillary did NOT do the same regarding Bill Clinton’s comments regarding Barack’s support in South Carolina.
Bill has chosen to interject himself into his wife’s campaign – he is NOT off limits now.
One of the things that I did not like about the Clinton presidency is his support for the DOMA provisions and the horseshit “don’t ask” nonsense.
The Clinton’s are more anti-gay that Barack could ever be.
KKK beat them by about 18 hours… Regular, the KKK thing only made it on the news ONE time… NOTHING more was ever said about it!!
Well Steven, you are right that Hillary may not win. I’m resigned to that. But I still cant support obama. Like I said, he doesnt care if I support him either.
At least obama and I agree on that. And I WONT vote for a republican.
Other than David Atkins….
I might vote for Nader. Not that my vote matters in Kansas anyway. It will go reliably red unless governor “leadership” is on the ticket. Then it will be purple. But I hardly think the next president will hang on kansas’ six electoral votes.
Back then, I could only get ABC, CBS, and NBC… PBS came in on the antenna about 3 partial days per week… LOL
With all due respect WS.
I am trying to wake you up.
And I am going to need to get nasty to do so.
Just where have you been these last many months WS?
You bailed. Even with so many standing up for you, you took your marbles and you bugged out.
Now I respected the Democratic boycott here but I did not observe it. I fought on here and mostly alone.
Now you want to come on back on a bandwagon of rhetoric? You are better than that?
“Yes, PLEASE tell us what really happened.””
He denounced McClurkin’s positions.
“And then he started the stuff about the “GOP party of ideas” and extolling Ronald Reagan.”
He said, and this has been pointed out to you many times, that “Reagan changed the trajectory of politics in the USA.”
That is a true statement.
He was not extolling the politics of Reagan nor was he endorsing them.
End of story.
“Bill Clinton’s in South Carolina.”
I asked for specifics. If you are refering to his Jesse Jackson comment, it was stating a fact. He did win the state and did not go on to win the nomination. That is hardly race baiting.
Is just TALKING about race now classified as race baiting? NO ONE in public life has supported the black community like the Clintons. AND now that community wants to turn on them?
I dont like doma and dont ask either. Hillary was against both of them AT THE TIME. She’s not Bill. And, once again, doma was signed to PREVENT a constitutional amendment against gay marriage. It stopped it then, and we are organized better to stop it now. DADT was a disaster. A bad thing done for the right reasons.
Hillary has said she wants to repeal DADT.
I’d trust the Clintons on gay issues way more than the mcclurkin lovin’, marymary loving, hezakiah walker lovin’ obama.
The Clintons have never thrown US under the bus to pander to another group.
Now, which one is the divider and which one is the uniter?
Then there are the Super Delegates…
(ominous tympani playing in the background)
“You bailed. Even with so many standing up for you, you took your marbles and you bugged out.”
Huh? What the Hell are you talking about?
“J R” argues for Hillary with –
“I saw SEVERAL oportunities for Senator Clinton to dress down Obama. And I saw in her eyes that she knew it.
And didn’t do it.
And THAT’s who you’re backing as your advocate?!
She had “several opportunites” to blow Obama out of the ballpark and she didn’t?!
And she is your gladiator?
She had the opportunity to win the Democratic primaries… “…and didn’t do it.”
It’s the same kind of political “courage” she displayed when she was pro-NAFTA and pro-Iraq in 2003.
Of course she’s better than McCain. But Barack is the better candidate against the Republic Party candidate. Hands down.
Just that he is running a bit ahead of Hillary’s “inevitable” nomination proves that.
You may not like some of the specifics. You may have preferred a different candidate. I do and I did.
I know what it’s like to really really believe in a candidate who doesn’t make it through the gauntlet our election process subjects candidates to.
We’ve seen in this forum how the Ron Paul-bearers can’t come to the realization that the good doctor isn’t gonna win the Republic Party nomination.
You, “J R” and “ksfarmgrrl,” are beginning to remind me of the legendary Japanese soldiers who kept fighting World War II into the 1960s because they refused to accept the concept of defeat.
Those aren’t the people I expect to enter into a rational discussion. I have hope for you guys. But not yet.
“He said, and this has been pointed out to you many times, that “Reagan changed the trajectory of politics in the USA.”
Only when Senator Clinton called him on his rhetoric.
“That is hardly race baiting.”
Bill’s comment that Barack only won because he was black (or words to that effect.)
I’ve said nothing about the reagan comment. It was stupid and clinton baiting but it was also way overblown.
Obama has said he did not agree with mcclurkins views. To date, obama has NOT apologized for having mcclurkin MC and preach.
And he said he disagreed with mcclurkin AFTER the event took place. Like as in AFTER the coffers were filled and the pandering was done.
how about kosovo?
I mean it just took a few years to settle that country down after…well you know, the U.S. got involved…
Gunshots in Kosovo? I thought it was all settled there. Embassy attacked? hmmmm…
“Only when Senator Clinton called him on his rhetoric.”
Nonsense – if that is true – copy and paste.
You cannot because it is NOT true.
“Bill’s comment that Barack only won because he was black (or words to that effect.)”
I call bullshit. Post the quote or a link.
Clark… SOMEtimes us liberals dont always listen so good either…
The Hillary question isnt going to go away… She is a very powerful candidate… She is very quick on her feet… Seems to have a whole lot of information memorized very well… Can you all imagine how HARD it has to be to go out on campaign stumping every day, all day… the towns, the crowds… what to eat; drink; where to sleep… WHEN to sleep… I dont think it can be REAL fun…
Anybody who makes it even ON the campaign trail, has to be GOOD at what they do…
Take my nic out of quotes monkeyhawk.
OBAMA, STATEMENT 1: I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people—he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.
OBAMA, STATEMENT 2: I think it is fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time over the last 10, 15 years, in the sense they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they’re being debated among the presidential candidates, and it’s all tax cuts. Well, you know, we’ve done that, we tried it. That’s not really going to solve our energy problems.
Might we make an obvious observation? In Statement 1, Obama was talking about Ronald Reagan—a Republican president who left office nineteen years ago. In Statement 2, he wasn’t talking about Ronald Reagan. He was talking about developments of “the last ten, fifteen years”—a period which coincides with the presidencies of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
It’s hard to imagine anything much more obvious. But over the course of the past three days, the screaming mimis of the NBC News/East Coast Irish-Catholic “press corps” have been insisting that Statement 2 was a statement about Ronald Reagan. And on the basis of that misstatement, they’ve been saying very bad things about—who else?—Hillary Clinton.
We’ll end up speaking about GE—and about the political world you now live in. First, let’s review what Clinton said about Obama’s statements during Monday’s debate.
On Monday night, Clinton criticized Obama’s Statement 2—his statement about the last fifteen years. For the record, Clinton said nothing about Statement 1. Here’s what she actually said at Monday’s debate:
CLINTON (1/21/08): I do think that your record and what you say does matter. And when it comes to a lot of the issues that are important in this race, it is sometimes difficult to understand what Senator Obama has said, because as soon as he is confronted on it, he says that’s not what he meant.
more at:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh012308.shtml
:D
As requested…………………………….
“The Clintons’ strategy has become increasingly trashy, even ugly, and yesterday’s remarks by Bill Clinton — in which he pointedly compared Obama’s candidacy to Jesse Jackson’s and thus implicitly (though clearly) dismissed South Carolina as a state where the “black candidate” wins, followed up by the Clinton campaign’s anonymous branding of Obama as “the black candidate” — reeked of desperation.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/27/clinton/index.html
I have complimented you your prose “monkeyhawk.”
Your spine leaves room for improvement.
You made remarks here the other day and left others to defend them.
And the fact of it is I have afforded you a lot of respect for someone I don’t know.
“I call bullshit. Post the quote or a link.”
Requested and done……………………..
Ok Clark, NOW you are starting to irritate me. I asked you to post where I had dissed you. Nothing posted yet. I dissed your candidate, but not you personally.
Too bad now that you cant say the same.
“Those aren’t the people I expect to enter into a rational discussion. I have hope for you guys. But not yet.”
So… you cant have a “rational” discussion with us? Because we dont agree with you, and we ask you to PROVE your bull, we are not rational?
heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh…..
Please tell me how repeating hope and inspiration on an endless loop is rational.
Oh, and I’ve defended my candidate along with pointing out obama’s downside as a candidate.
All I’ve seen you do is bash Hillary and say hope and inspiration.
And you call me irrational?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheehehhee….
Now, Please repost where I have “dissed” you.
KFG… I dont know if you understood my point in pointing out that Reagan’s first endorsement was from a group that NOBODY would like very much… My point was, that when such things happen, a candidate can either Teflon it away… which is what Reagan did… OR, they can fight back… Now days, you cant just say nothing — Obama HAD to say something about Farakan… Farakan is big business in Chicago… especially on the South Side…
Obama sure doesnt need an endorsement like that, anymore than Hillary would need or want the endorsement of the National Hookers of America (or some such group)…
WSClark
Posted February 26, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink
“You bailed. Even with so many standing up for you, you took your marbles and you bugged out.”
Huh? What the Hell are you talking about?
Also from the Howler:
CLINTON: Barack—
OBAMA: Wait. No. Hillary, you just spoke.
CLINTON: I did not say anything about Ronald Reagan.
OBAMA: You just spoke for two minutes.
CLINTON: You said two things. You talked about admiring Ronald Reagan, and you talked about the ideas of the Republicans. I didn’t talk about Reagan.
OBAMA: You just—Hillary, I’m sorry. You just—Hillary, we just had the tape. You just said that I complimented the Republican ideas. That is not true. What I said—and I will provide you with a quote—what I said was is that Ronald Reagan was a transformative political figure because he was able to get Democrats to vote against their economic interests to form a majority to push through their agenda, an agenda that I objected to. Because while I was working on those streets watching those folks see their jobs shift overseas, you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board at Wal-Mart.
“Those aren’t the people I expect to enter into a rational discussion. I have hope for you guys. But not yet.”
That was a comment from MonkeyHawk.
Want to start over?
The assertion is simple WS.
Or maybe I should say “WS” as “monkeyhawk” does.
You bailed out on this forum. And here just these last few weeks, here you are back again.
Now in the meantime? New posters got accused of being you. While you were out of the way.
Now I welcomed you back and kfg did too. Don’t you dare arrive late and start telling us what for.
And…………………….
“It just goes to show that the sheeple love a good show.”
The last thing I am is a sheeple.
(chortles)
Well Clark, thanks for posting Salon’s opinion.
Here is the real deal. the YouTube video of what Clinton said. Nothing racist in it. He notes that Jesse won and ran a good campaign. He also notes that obama won, and ran a good campaign.
And Jackson did not go on to win the nomination.
He didnt think Obama would either.
If that is race baiting? WTF is what mcclurkin did and said in terms of GAY baiting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqd2dfjl2pw
Sorry Clark, I made a mistake. I thought it was you making the “rational” comment.
I expect that from Monkey, but not from you.
I apologize, and I am glad you were not the one who said it.
“J R” insists –
“Take my nic out of quotes monkeyhawk.
Yeah, right. *THAT’s* the important issue we’ve been discussing this evening!
Please…
Chas, my point exactly. Obama HAD to say nothing about the Nation of Islam because they are a big deal.
But gay folks? Not so much. He didnt “Have” to say anything, and so he didnt.
He wants the nation of islam vote. He wants the black evangelical vote.
He does not care at all about the gay vote.
And it shows…
“You bailed out on this forum. And here just these last few weeks, here you are back again.”
Actually, dumbass, I have been back for a couple of months……………
But, if this is okay with you and your god damned superiority attitude……………
My father is 93, living in Florida. My mother died a couple of years ago. They were married for 67 years. My father does not deal with his depression and his physical ailments well. My adopted brother, his other surviving offspring, is a quad and is not able to travel.
When my father has difficulties, I have to go to Florida and deal with his problems.
So, if it is okay with you, I had to go to Florida and help out my aged father – hence I was gone from my family and of least importance, this blog for a time.
In the god damned future, I will probably have to be gone again for a period of time.
It won’t be because I am taking my marbles or that I need any of your support.
It will be because I am taking care of my family.
Here is where I am at “WS”
I’ve met kfg and she is my friend.
Now in this anonymous, confusing forum where who is who is mostly anybody’s guess?
I don’t really know you.
I’m tired and hardly even up or on here this late.
Time to do some stress eating and then go to bed.
Goodnight all.
Ummmm KFG… if you would contact the following email address… I think you can make a dent in that issue….
scdphq@hotmail.com
They will send your thoughts on to the Kansas Obama campaign… as far as I know, thats how they are doing it…
But, if this is okay with you and your god damned superiority attitude……………
I am not the one who told someone to take their vote and go.
And I’ve not called you any names.
If you are typical of Obama’s followers and all they have to bring in the most heated electoral process in recent American history?
Obama simply must not be the nominee.
To put it frankly, you are all glow and no show.
Wave at your chickens for me kfg. :)
Oh Nathan…. I am going to bed now!!!
Good night; Good luck; and
God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!
Blessings All!!
“I don’t really know you.”
And I glad of that, J R.
You trashed me because I left the blog for a while – was my reason GOOD enough for you?
Yeah, I call people names – I haven’t use the best of my trash talking on you.
You want to criticize me because I was taking care of my father?
Try it, boy, bring it on.
Good night KFG.
And “monkeyhawk” stays out of the fray to pontificate.
Just like his cottoncandydate.
You told Paul the Con that if you ever met him, he would be “spitting teeth.”
I do not like Rossell, but that was uncalled for, but if you would like to try that with me, go for it.
You were willing to cut me and kfg loose first there “WS”.
Good luck to you. I’ll not get the back of one who schmoozes for compromise.
There’s always that parking lot behind the Quick Trip. :D
Defend your comments about my departure from the Blog, J R. I want to hear it. I want you to make those same stupid statements again.
You threw down on me, boy, now back it up.
Was my reason GOOD enough for you?
“There’s always that parking lot behind the Quick Trip”
You threw down too, McCreepy, and you chickened out, also.
So, STFU.
Good luck and goodbye “WS”
I didn’t want to embarrass you Clarkie, besides I was hungry, so went to Denny’s.
“I didn’t want to embarrass you Clarkie, besides I was hungry, so went to Denny’s.”
Horseshit, fat man, you lost your nerve because I DIDN’T back down from your cheap shots.
“Good luck and goodbye “WS””
Whatever, J R, and to think that I offered to build a computer for you when your WebTV crashed.
Maybe all the Cons are right about you.
Out of here…………………………
IRS PROBING OBAMA’S CHURCH OVER SPEECh
Fox News
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/26/irs-probing-obamas-church-over-speech/
NEW YORK — Barack Obama’s campaign is defending a speech he gave to the national meeting of the United Church of Christ, which now is under investigation by the IRS.
Obama is a member of the church and gave the speech last year after he became a candidate for president.
A spokesman for the denomination says it received notice of the IRS inquiry on Monday.
The IRS says there is reason to believe the speech violated restrictions on political activity for nonprofit groups. The denomination denies any wrongdoing, while a spokesman for Obama defended the Democratic candidate’s speech at the church’s national meeting.
Church officials say they had consulted with lawyers before the Democrat’s June 2007 speech and made clear before Obama’s address that he was speaking as a church member, not a political candidate.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Obama isn’t the first political leader to address a religious gathering.
“Senator Obama spoke to his church’s convention about his personal spiritual journey and how those engaged in public life must recognize that ‘God is still speaking, challenging us to change not just our own lives, but the world around us,’” Burton said. “This was not a campaign event — in fact, Senator Obama took a break from campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire to attend this event in Connecticut.”
Clark — J R — Pssssttt…. over here…
Did you guys notice that there is only ONE other party lurking here?? And I got this funny feeling that the others are getting blow by blow accounts of how us Liberals are melting down/falling apart/arguing… And I got a hunch they are just getting ready to POUNCE on here….
I mean, think about it… TWO threads shut down in two days… Somebody here made a dent in all of the racial slurs that were going hot and heavy…
C’mon… we got issues to solve no matter who our candidate is… ok??? Please??
With that, I really gotta go to bed… bad allergy and flu bug here… meds are kicked in now… Catch you guys later…
Sorry I came back on but I had to say something…. nite now!!
Get better Chas, lots of fluids and take those vitamin C tabs :)
“J R” posits,
“I don’t really know you.”
I don’t really know you either.
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