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In this article, Disowned by the Ownership Society, this author claims that the “ownership society” mantra was a scam by conservatives. I don’t know about that, but the differences in perspectives of the groups she describes accounts for much endless bickering on this blog.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/klein

Warning: this is a liberal rag…

Hank is it too late to e-mail, I have the flu and have not been running on all eight cylinders.
It would be my hope that it is not to the exclusion of those on the left, true enough that there are some on both sides of this add nothing and sound that perhaps mom should be limiting the internet access. But for the most part there are also many on both sides that come here with reason and thoughtfulness. Those character qualities are not limited by party affiliation. And yes I know that I am not saying anything to you that you do not already know.

Good Morning, Linda!!

Steven Davis, that is an interesting article and I have seen the same logic in the company I work for.
Stock ownership and a bonus that is based on the profit of the store. Both to give the employees a feeling of “vested interest” in the operation and the welfare of the company. In reality it is a small investment from the company’s view point that may yield a greater dividend. If one were to invest thirty years of their life into the service of the company. Without ever selling their stock, it would give an retiree a lovely nest egg. It was listed once in the fortune five hundred toward the bottom of the best companies to work for because of that.

In principle there is nothing wrong with the logic, most people are not after great wealth just to live happily.
That is why true Capitalism works well, not everyone wants to be the CEO. The downfall as we have seen with the effect on the housing market and the mortgage companies is you can not bring it around solely on paper. Making it out of thin air, it has to be done in the rock solid. It would be like winning a new car, you do not have the expense of buying it. But can not afford the taxes, insurance and upkeep on it so you can not even drive it. That is why Reich referred to it as “hokum”, if the Bush administration was a new business they would have closed in the first four months. They and their fiscal advisors have the same “fiscal responsibility” of a college freshman with his first credit card. “who needs money I have a credit card!”.

And speaking of Fiscal conservatives, while on the site I read an article that not only explains why I became a Ron Paul supporter but also the reality of the economy.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/howl

And Steven I thought you said it was a “liberal rag” most of what I saw there reminded me of “real Conservative” thoughts. LOL

heheheheheh.

Thanks for the link, Dog. If you read The Nation, it is hard to escape that it is a liberal publication. They are sympathetic to Ron Paul in the article, though. Ron Paul’s campaign is emblematic of one political truth in America: Speak the truth, you will be ignored, reviled, and never elected. Sad, but true.

The message of “I will cut popular federal programs” just does not get one elected. Instead we elect liars who tell us “deficits don’t matter” – “let’s keep living off of that credit card we never have to pay back.” When our day of reckoning comes, I hope it is not as bad as it could be.

When do you think Bushco will decide that Youtube ought to be blocked over here, you know? for our safety?

Well, that should keep me busy for awhile! ;-0

Thanks, dog! I won’t know if they’re what I’m looking for until I go through them. But I feel like I need to catch up and pull my head out of the sand.

Well Pleefer, as I mentioned in the reply to Linda one of the links for youtube is no longer good. “Why we fight” in some respects take what was said in “the Power of Nightmares” and showed the actual usages of the policy. I have watched it several times and I am at a loss to explain just what there was about it that would be a violation of terms of service. But if the Administration wants to keep something’s secret they will have to do two things. Limit the American peoples ability to receive news and information from outside the U.S. And perhaps not be so damn stupid as to go on the BBC and shoot their mouths off!

I might even see them blocking CSPAN someday, it is amazing what these Congressmen and Senators are saying on the floor in front of the American public. Like Jeff Sessions from Ala standing there and using the love of the Constitution and the love of liberty as a put-down. Maybe he was gone the day he would have taken an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies both Foreign and domestic. Might he have had his fingers cross behind his back?

Amy Sullivan (whom, I am pretty sure, was a staffer for Tom Daschle) always has interesting things to say about Democrats and Christianity:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202386.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Sorry the link doesn’t work. Here’s the Operation Northwoods URL:
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm

The seven dwarfs always left to go work in the mine early each morning. As always, Snow White stayed home doing her domestic chores. As lunchtime approached, she would prepare their lunch and carry it to the mine.

One day as she arrived at the mine with the lunch,
she saw that there had been a terrible cave-in.
Tearfully, and fearing the worst, Snow White began
calling out, hoping against hope that the dwarfs
had somehow survived. ‘Hello, hello!’ she shouted.
‘Can anyone hear me? Hello!’

For a long while, there was no answer. Losing hope, Snow White again shouted, ‘Hello! Is anyone down there?’ Just as she was about to give up all hope, there came a faint voice from deep within the mine.

‘Vote for Hillary! Vote for Hillary!’

Snow White fell to her knees, crossed herself, and
prayed, ‘Oh, thank you God! At least Dopey is still alive.

Add Mex-Am war to that list, Pleef.

Same, the US didn’t shoot Ferdinand (wasn’t that the bull in a Disney cartoon?)

I remember that, too, Monkey–NOW. Ya jogged my brain.

Global Cooling Update

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=d7c7fcce-d248-4e97-ab72-1adbdbb1d0d0&k=4336

“David Suzuki has called for political leaders to be thrown in jail for ignoring the science behind climate change.”

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=290513

This is just a portion of what this respected GW advocate has to say. Does it seem logical to you. Will GW trump free speech and the right to make an unpopular decision by the oposition?

Up late last night I caught an interview with Dr. David Suzuki. He stated that the US needs to cut it’s CO2 output by 90% immediately to stop GW in it’s tracks. When the moderator asked him what this would mean to the economy of the US he had no answer. A well timed break for him came then and on returning he had disappeared after finding that the host wasn’t a GW advocate.

The US is expendable in this debate. We need to make sure that the people we elect to office look at both sides of this debate. Outlander gave us a very good link and I challenge all to read it with an open mind.

The debate for logical people isn’t over. Cosmos I don’t want to argue this with you again. I also don’t want to see your attack on those quoted in the article. Neither of us will change our minds. This is merely to jog some awake about the impending consequences of acquiesence to the GW dogma.

The National Post, like the IBD, is not a reliable source.cosmos
Posted February 25, 2008 at 11:32 am

The Desmog Blog and leanleft.com are reliable sources cosmos?
:roll:

Cosmos. The article didn’t quote Dr. Tapping as anything other than a scientist. He doesn’t deny what he said.

What about the rest of the article? It demonstrates the folly of thinking we know what’s going to happen next in climate change, its cause, or that we can do a darn thing about it.

So why fight it. It is already too late

I’m going to die one day, but I still won’t jump out of a perfectly good airplane, ride in a helicopter, or nap on a railroad track.

Sol, how is “might be too late” equivalent to “is too late”? Just want to ask.

outlander,

Dr. Tapping did not say what the National Post printed.

Winds driving ocean currents did not cause the recent warming in the interiors of Canada and Siberia.

The movie ‘The Day After Tomorrow’ is mostly science fiction.

Solar activity did not cause the recent warming.

http://www.mps.mpg.de/dokumente/publikationen/solanki/c153.pdf
“The last 30 years [of data] are not considered however. In this time the climate and solar data diverge strongly from each other.
…
Note that the most recent warming, since around 1975, has not been considered in the above correlations. During these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most recent warming trend must have another source”

The “source” is increased GHG levels. And we can do a “darn thing” about the GHG’s we are emitting.

Has anyone ever thought that climate change is cyclical, like the changing of the seasons? Like day after night after day after night? Can we effect time? I’m a firm believer that indeed climate change IS cyclical and it happens over the course of THOUSANDS of years. Time did not begin the day we were blessed with the first scientist. Seems to me that our little rock is part of something a little bit bigger than us. These climate people are falling for another excuse to tax us to death. Climate change is happening but we humans aren’t doing that much to contribute to it. How about the temperature on every other planet in our solar system elevating like ours? Sun spot activities are elevated. Yellowstone’s volcanic activity is elevating and that’s a pretty damned big volcano. Can we control all of the volcanic activity around the planet now? Do you not think that it’s all interconnected? Good luck with the whole Global Warming/Colling thing. It’s a tad bit bigger than us.
Man, I REALLY hope the MAYA are right about Dec 21, 2012…heheheh.

Fish,

Chinook? If they aren’t leaking hydraulic fluid, they are empty!!!

IS cyclical and it happens over the course of THOUSANDS of years

Frozen mammoth mummies in Siberia with fresh buttercups in it’s stomach.

Really, Pleef, I agree with the cyclical bit, but like I say, it just isn’t worth the gamble.

And BTW, if Yellowstone decides to go, all this (and everything to the far side of Missouri) won’t be around to care.

I made the mistake of riding in a Chinook once. I now know why they call them “kidney busters.”

This is funny – watching all the CONservatives getting their collective panties all in a wad over Barack Obama.

Americans are not going to tolerate another Rovian attack machine approach as they did when Gore and Kerry ran for the presidency. One of the reasons that Hillary is having such a difficult time with Obama is just that – she tried the attack approach and it backfired.

Leonard Pitts had a GREAT column in today’s Eagle Op Ed section. Read it and you MAY be able to understand the appeal that Barack has for America.

The CONservatives can flail away all they want – the country is not going to buy a Bush III presidency. George has now sunk to the absolute lowest approval rating in recorded history and McCain is running as a successor to the failed policies of George WMD Bush.

That may work in Republican primaries, but it is not going to work come November, and McCain’s words are going to come back to haunt him. Hell, the photo of McCain hugging Bush around the waist is going to be ALL over the McCain campaign.

I thought that I came up with a pretty good tag line for McCain, John “Call Me Three” McCain, but one of those famous LIBERAL websites has an even better one………………

John W. McBush.

(chortles)

Ha! (To quote Chris Matthews.)

Ya Sol, that’s why the AF was “borrowing” the Chinook. We had some “Red Flag” equipment that needed to go back to the base in a hurry, so we contacted the Army for a free ride.

Unfortunately, I volunteered to go along with the equipment. Won’t make that mistake again. :D

Pleefer posted February 25, 2008 at 12:36 pm

“Has anyone ever thought that climate change is cyclical, like the changing of the seasons?”

Yes.
You can read all about Milankovitch cycles, palaeoclimate, etc in chapter 6 at,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm

But past natural climate changes do not prevent human-caused changes.

Think ‘nuclear winter’, caused by a large-scale nuclear war. Or global warming, caused by higher GHG levels.

“SolDevVB” regurgitates –

“…and that it might be too late to do anything…

And it might.

Do you know the definition of the word “might,” “SolDevVB?” Look it up.

From the thread that got shut down:

“ghotiphaze, my point as I am sure you are aware of is the ‘undercover’ message Steven D had in his post. It was a slam at the prowess of Rove by relating his connection to a gay man.”

So, you think I am sending you undercover messages? I suspect that those subliminal messages you are seeing are a reflection of your bigotry. Please keep your projections to yourself. You will note, I hope, if you are able to suspend your gross partisan perceptions for even one second, that I made no speculation on what effect these facts had on Karl Rove. Frankly, I don’t know what, or if, they did.

That had to be one of the offensive attacks you have made GRM.

I remember looking at 30 year mortgage on a house I had back in the 80s. It was purchased for 80K. If I had kept it for 30 years, I would have paid about 175K for it with interest accumulating over time.

“Upside down” usually is a term meant for short term purchases by credit – like automobiles.

Car dealers love to see people come in “upside down” on their cars, because it means they can trade/sell them a car and tack on the new interest on the old interest.

What a deal…

My old cars get traded for labor/parts on new(used) cars. It saves me the towing fees.

Dunno Max,

If it wasn’t about Palestinians or Israelis, Ed Friedemann usually had no comments.

BTW, Regular… “Horst” didnt post using the “N” word — That was the phony posster “Jesus” that used the “N” word!!

Doesn’t matter to me who said it Chas, both comments needed to be torpedoed out of the Blog.

Vaughn, just curious as I’d probably never do this anyway: wouldn’t it be more sensical to purchase another house, used for rental property, than to just take a 2nd mort. on the one home?

Not a good position to be in when if you sold your house, you wouldn’t have enough to pay the mortgage loan off. Explains why so many people are walking away from the loans.

In Wichita, the “upside down” mortgage situation isn’t all that bad, but in places like LA and Boston, declining prices have left many buyers faced with the fact that the home they bought in the past few years may not be worth what they owe, sometimes by a substantial margin.

It used to be a auto purchaser’s issue, but we are now seeing it with home buyers.

I remember those comercials, too, reg, and I thought they were somewhat dumb, too. But i figured I was just ignorant in economics–I took the cash for my Western Resource stock about 12 years ago when the twins were born.

WhatEVer…. at least they are gone, and the thread is now closed!! It had good possibilities… :-(

Open thread 2/25
the clearing house of blogs LOL

ghotiphaze, that depends upon the terms upon which one might get a mortgage on “investment property”, which are usually, from my experience, a bit more rigorous than an “owner-occupied” home. Plus, all the problems with being a landlord, which many do not wish to assume.

Regular, the problem there lies with the artificial, if you will, values that real estate has carried over the past decade or so. The market might well indicate that property is selling for values you or I might feel are artificially high, but if the appraisals supported it, then the lender would want to make the loan. I think that there were few that thought values would actually decline, or not continue increasing, notwithstanding the fact that values can do either or both.

Phantom, I speculate there is quite a bit of that underlying the “walk away” problems. As more mortgage lenders end up with increasing numbers of properties, and the REO (’real estate owned’) number on the statement continues to increase, in the short term, it likely is a good time to be a buyer, especially a buyer who doesn’t need a loan. Long term, I expect a shakeout in the mortgage lending industry, with those surviving being a bit more conservative in lending.

IF that post on the Obama thread was actually an assassination threat againsst Obama, then I hope they prosecute the poster to the fullest extent possible… That kind of thing needs to stop!!

They took me by here too.

Ahhh, here we go!

I doubt if I can find the posts KFG, as I requested they be deleted for the word usage. :)

Shh Sol, Nader gives the Dems indigestion.

Not around lunch time please. :D

Monkey I am going to assume you are just an agitator and not a person who really has such prejudiced thoughts. Liberals like you are the worlds worse when it comes to tolerance and the worlds best when it comes to being judgemental.

Don’t count out Bloomberg.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm
“So what’s causing Mars’ warming? According to ‘Global warming and climate forcing by recent albedo changes on Mars’ (Fenton 2007), massive planet darkening storms have been observed over the last 30 years. These reduce the planet’s albedo (reflectivity) so the planet absorbs more of the sun’s energy – this has a warming effect.”

(Fenton 2007)
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v446/n7136/abs/nature05718.html

Pleefer posted February 25, 2008 at 1:14 pm

“I saw that it had United Nations all over it and promptly hit the “back” button. I’m “putting my head in the sand” when it comes to ANYTHING the UN has to say.”

Wise decision. You should not read what’s in the reports there that scientists (not the “UN”) wrote — you might understand climate science, and understand that humans are causing global warming.

It’s probably better for you to just be an “ostrich”.

Cosmos even Dr Suzuki last night could not give one example of what man could do to help GW. He actually refused to come back after the break to support his position. If he was that weak and his only plan was for the US to cut CO2 emissions by 90%, which by the way would put us somewhere in the mid 18th century, what is the solution to the problem you see?

Here’s a little story about the ways of the UN. You might get a kick out of it. I just get on here on point to the rabbit hole, jump in if you want to.

you can Google NSSM 200 as well. Kissinger rules! And so does Obama’s chief foreign advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Ummm that second link is more on Kissinger… Doesnt say anything on Brzezinski.

Ksgrm posted February 25, 2008 at 1:53 pm

“Cosmos even Dr Suzuki last night could not give one example of what man could do to help GW.”

Uh huh…
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Solutions/

Ksgrm, you’re interested in the economy? I suggest that you read

Chapter ‘12. Climate: Making Sense and Making Money
How to end the threat of global warming at a profit.’
at,
http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid5.php

Or it may be in the “business” section at book stores.
Note the sections, ‘Almost Everyone Wins’, and ‘Protecting the Climate for Fun and Profit’.

And excuse the very obvious point, but the climate science is separate from the “solutions”.

hahahahaha! I have my tail in the sand.

So — does he favor that idea, or oppose such a thing?? That sounds more like McCain’s type of idea, and not Obama’s???

Wow Steven, you’re on a roll with these articles. So far I’ve read 2 articles that you have posted.

Damn 2 freaking wars, total financial deregulation, massive tax cuts, the ownership society and we still get a recession. Can’t you wingnuts do anything right?

By Jonathan Saul
DUBLIN, Feb 25 (Reuters) – The United States economy is already in recession and is set for a further slowdown with the dollar expected to remain under pressure, investment guru Jim Rogers said on Monday.
Last week the U.S. central bank sharply lowered its forecast for U.S. economic growth in 2008 and said it was worried the economy could face further setbacks even after a series of aggressive interest rate cuts.
“The U.S. is in recession,” Rogers told reporters on a visit to Dublin. “It is going to get worse.”
Rogers, who co-founded the Quantum Fund with billionaire George Soros in the 1970s, said the housing and automobile sectors were in a situation “worse than recession” with soaring energy and food prices hitting consumer spending.
“They (the U.S. central bank) are printing money and are trying to prevent the recession — they are putting on Band Aids,” he said ahead of an investor conference in Dublin.
Rogers said the central bank was making the “same mistakes” Japan did in the early 1990s before its credit-inflated bubble economy burst.
“The Japanese did it and the Japanese still have not recovered 18 years later,” he said.
“As long as the (U.S.) central bank and the federal government keep making the mistakes, you will have a longer period of slowdown and it will be perhaps one of the worst recessions we have had in a long time in America,” he said. Rogers said the dollar was set to “go down a great deal” adding he hoped to get out of all his dollar holdings at some stage this year.
“There are so many people bearish on the dollar right now including me and normally when that happens something comes along to cause a rally even if it is a bear market,” he said.
Rogers said countries such as Iran and Venezuela were already using alternative currencies to the dollar. “The dollar is going to lose its status as the world’s reserve currency — that is in the process of happening,” he said.
Rogers reiterated he preferred investments in the agriculture sector in the light of tightening supplies worldwide.
“Inventories for food are the lowest in 40 or 50 years. I don’t see where the supplies are coming from,” he said.
“Agriculture is still the best place to be, maybe (also) silver, maybe palladium,” he said. (Editing by Theodore d’Afflisio)

Fleetwood doesn’t like it when Democrats make money.

It hurts his feelings.

Only Republicans are supposed to make money.

Chas, an article on Suzuki’s comments
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=291604

I didnt ask for an article on Suzuki’s comments… I asked what program Suzuki allegedly walked off of last nite, according to what KsGrm said upthread…

Be careful revealing your personal information on the blogs. These libs take their candidates very seriously. Any and all threats should be treated as equally having the potential for harm:

Democratic House Divided: Pa. Man Stabs Brother-In-Law Over Election

But Jose Ortiz, 28 — a Hillary Clinton supporter —is behind bars after stabbing his Barack Obama-supporting brother-in-law, Sean Shurelds, following a political argument, according to KYW1060.com. by FOXNews.com

I think the democrats should bring these resolutions to the floor more often.
It smells like victory for my team.

Man Fired After Repeated Requests for Prostitute

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332472,00.html

Fleet?

Looks like ANTI is another hit and run poster today… Oh well!!

Chas, I work more than one day a week.

What kind of kool-aid are you on today, RFL?? You SAID —

“the American face of radical racist Islam certaintly doesn’t support the effort to categorize such questions as uninformed”
-rfl

You are saying that questions of Obama’s alleged and debunked “muslim” leanings are supported by the endorsement of the Nation of Islam and Minister Farakahn…

Now, can you spin out of that??

ANTI
Posted February 25, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink
Chas, I work more than one day a week.
=========================================

Thanks nice… So do I!! LOL

I still want to know what program David Suzuki allegedly walked off of last evening… Amazing such a simple question cant find an answer!!

http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

Actually Ken, they shot at him 110 times, but only hit him 68 times.

Now if this is ok, what’s wrong with a firing line for capital punishment?

It appears that in his 2006 Africa tour, Barack Hussein Obamanation, a man that extremist Muslim Louis Farrakhan calls “the hope of the entire world,” was in thick with Somali Muslims – remember, they are the ones that shot down American servicemen and dragged their bodies through the streets.
Also, the board of a nonprofit organization on which Obamanation served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe” and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens. Rashid Khalidi is the terrorist co-founder of the Arab Muslim group and a supporter and fundraiser for Obamanation, whom Muslims view as a Palestinian sympathizer. Remember the Palestinians who laughed and clapped and celebrated on 09/11/01? They are supporting Obamanation.
Meanwhile, Iraqi Muslim terrorists have started planting bombs in wheelchairs, a tactic they might eventually employ here in the USofA, if leftist Democrats are allowed to declare a defeat and run from Iraq in January, 2009, as both Obamanation and Hog Futures Hillary promise.
- – -

In 1975, young shyster Hillary Rodham defended Tom Taylor, 41, a drunken Arkansas factory worker who raped a 12-year-old girl, and got she him off with a disgusting, lenient plea bargain and a mere one year in jail, partly because she pointed the finger of blame at the child victim, falsely accusing her of seeking out older men and lying.
The girl later attempted suicide, was treated by a psychiatrist for years, and eventually became a meth addict, thief, and prison inmate. The Democrat version of “no child left behind.” The rapist died in 1992 of a heart ailment, apparently without ever spending any more time in jail after the very short stretch provided by Hillary via stepping on the back of the child victim.
You can imagine what would happen in our criminal justice system, if a soft-on-predators pro-abortion shyster is elected President of the USofA and starts picking federal judges. The corrupt Kansas criminal justice system is a model for it.

“Now if this is ok, what’s wrong with a firing line for capital punishment?”

Nothing, once you solve the issues that led to 125 men being falsely convicted and sentenced to death.

125 men have been released from Death Row after evidence proved their innocence, some after as much as 18 years on the Row.

Fix that problem before worrying about how to execute people.

“The same people who believe Roe’s story about not knowing what was going on, that they forced her into an abortion…”

Not sure if my memory serves me correctly, but I do not think “Roe” actually got an abortion.

Hey, Regular, you Bufoon Troll… I have asked NICE…. And nobody can answer the question… After all, it was stated that Suzuki walked off of a program last nite, and would not answer questions…

So, I wanted to know what program he walked off of… Sorry if that gets you all in a twit!!

You’re right, I knew that, but she still pretended that she didn’t know that they were trying to make abortion legal. She’s changed her story so many times…it was too late for her to get her abortion.

She’s also one who claims to have been cured of homosexuality.

No Chas, you wanted the opportunity to leap down ksgrm’s throat if the program wasn’t on last night.

Yes Chas, your motives are that transparent.

Well thank goddess she’s been CURED. We sure as hell wouldnt want to claim her since she clearly cant make up her damn mind about anything.

I think she believes whatever the last person talking to her said to believe.

Here ya go, Grm >>>>

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Solutions/

Chas, Suzuki is still a unrealistic kook, from everything I have read. He, like most of the GW crowd do not engage in debate because that would open them up to being exposed as sheep of Al Gore, or that they want to simply fill there pockets and have power over industry.

“BUFFON”

Is that similar to the advice that Mr. Miyagi gave Daniel-San?

“Wax on, wax off.”

“Buff on, buff off.”

I like the original version better – it suits McCreepy quite well.

Ohh ok Clark… LOL

Boxlock posted February 25, 2008 at 6:28 pm

“Now bring on those decrying this as psudo-science and a lack of ‘peer-review’. Ha!”

It’s very shoddy journalism, as I already explained upthread,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/open-thread-225/#comment-301382

Must hae been an interesting meeting/conversation with the Editors today, huh Clark?? :-|

Even if there was anything to the schlocky suggestions as to global cooling?

Is it a reason NOT to cut our use of fossil fuels?

Please show your work.

Chas,

Check this website out and tell me what you think reverend:

http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/Abualrub/allahs_identity.htm

Maybe, what did I miss?

Not at all JR. Let’s get started on the nukes!

Uh yeah outlander.

Power that leaves poisonous waste to linger for longer than the human race has so far existed?

Your take OR mine.

No I don’t call that an answer.

Here kitty kitty

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SNOW/DATA/nhem-1mo-loop.html

no worries Chas..Eye’ve been there….

This probably qualifies as feeding the troll, but here goes.

Here is the first post rfl made in this discussion, in full.

“It couldn’t get any better for Obama. Even the Nation of Islam Minister, Louis Farrakhan, thinks Obama’s presidency is the ‘Hope of the Entire World’.

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/farrakhan-praises-obama-as-hope-of-entire-world/

“I am sure that we can all agree that Islam has been a world leader in solving the worlds problems. With that said, let’s all follow Farrakhan’s tacit endorsement on November for a better tomorrow.”

1) What is the point of mentioning Farrahan at all, unless it is to include a guilt by association? Who cares qhat Farrakhan thinks of Obama? How does it possibly reflect on Obama? It is the same sort of strategy that has been used against other candidates, and has been used since this country had elections. A variation of “Crazy Sam likes candidate B, do you really want to support a guy like candidate B if Crazy Sam likes him?”. Your intent was clear, rfl. That parkay immediately latched onto the same strategy.

2) Islam does not equal Nation of Islam. There are major, MAJOR differences between the two. And your sarcasm is obvious. You are simply being ingenuous to portray this post as “just stating the facts”.

Here is rfl’s next post (included are the words in his post that he responded to).

‘Nice appeal to a variety of uninformed prejudices there pal…because a widely disliked person like Farrakhan likes Obama doesn’t automatically make Obama a worse person.’
-ksagnostic

“Prejudices have a way of being earned. The questions are being asked widely, Is Obama a muslim sympathizer? Being labeled as the ‘Hope for the entire world’ by the American face of radical racist Islam certaintly doesn’t support the effort to categorize such questions as uninformed.”

Prejudices have a way of being earned? Obama’s black and has an Islamic sounding name and Louis Farrakhan says he likes him. Once again, Nation of Islam equals Islam. Also, notice the introduction of the terminology “muslim sympathizer”.

My response was:

“Such reason(ing) is right out of Joseph McCarthy. I sympathize with Muslims, therefore I sympathize with the enemy? Nice reasoning there.”

Certainly, the term “muslim sympathizer” is evocative of the terminology “communist sympathizer” used by Joseph McCarthy and the “anti-communist” movement that took his name (McCarthyism). What exactly does “muslim sympathizer” mean anyway? Why the question “Is Obama a muslim sypathizer?”? Rfl’s intent, I would argue, is clearly implied. Otherwise, who would care?

Here’s rfl’s next post:

“Making up your own conclusions based upon my statments and then blaming me again ksagnostic? You are the one coming up with the conclusion that Obama sympathizes with the enemy, I simply provided the facts leading to your OWN conclusion.”

Really, what conclusion is that? You brought up “muslim sympathizer”. What you seemed to fail to understand about what I said is this…

I said that “I sympathize with Muslims”. I didn’t come to any conclusion about “Obama sympathizing with the enemy”, for two reasons, one, I used the personal pronoun “I” (therfore, I was making no conclusion about Obama sympathizing with the enemy, and secondly, I was clearly paraphrasing the reasoning inferred from your post (”therefore, I sympathize with the enemy?”). To say that is now my reasoning is not only disingenuous, it is trollish (”look what I got you to say, neener neener!”). The meaning of communist sympathizer was clear in the 1950’s. There is no reason to assume that your meaning was any different with regards to your meaning in bringing up “muslim sympathizer”.

Let me be clearer. There is no reason to assume that a person is an enemy simply because of his/her religious status as a Muslim, any more than it is to assume that a person is an enemy simply because of his/her religious status as a Christian/Hindu/Wiccan/Unitarian/etc.

And this brings us to this last post.

“‘I don’t assume that Muslims ‘are the enemy’. That seems to be your premise.’
-ksagnostic

“It’s all there in black and white. ksagnostic added to my statements by claiming that I was trying to paint muslims as the enemy. I brought out that Obama is being labeled as a muslim by some opponents and that Farrakhan supports him. That is it!!!”

That’s right. You just brought it up and let it hang there. You’re innocent!

Do you really think you are fooling anyone with any intelligence? Besides, that is NOT all you said.

“No where in either of my two points did I describe Muslims as ‘the enemy’. ksagnostic came to that conclusion all by himself and now accuses me of making that conclusion so he can label me as McCarthyite.”

I said that the reasoning that was implied in your post was worthy of Joseph MaCarthy. You introduced the term “muslim sympathizer”, which is certainly evocative of the terminology “communist sympathizer”. Outside of imported sinister implications, who would really care whether Obama sympathized with Muslims? Why did you bring it up, and why did you use that terminology?

My conclusion was reasonable. I strongly suspect that it was the conclusion you meant to be drawn. Given this premise, which I believe would be evident to anyone following this discussion, your accusation of me constructing a “straw man” is dishonest.

Ummm Heckler, WHY would you support Joe McCarthy?? I mean, “Have You No Shame?” :-)

Chas screwed-up and he’s hiding from the error of his ways.

Fess up Chas.

Max, how many times do you have to be told… Being in disagreement with another poster does not make the disagreement WRONG!! I do wish you would get some kind of a check-up!! You struggle so much with the basics of human understanding!! Unbelievable!!

The weather is always going to change.
Sometimes it’s hot, other times it’s cold, only those with nothing better to do get all excited about that.
Funny how anybody or thing that disagrees with AGW is bad science, and all who do promote it are of
good science.
I couldn’t care less except that what’s it’s doing right now…and that impacts it as much as anyone else on this blog. Kind of makes all that effort and concern look a little foolish, uh?

Cosmos: Tapping was just an add-on to the jist of the article. Perhaps the reading problem here is that you didn’t read the article? What about the documented REDUCED solar activity?

But overall, what was the purpose of the article Cosmos? Hint: it is summarized in the last paragraph. Reread it and then we will have a pop quiz.

Chas.
Posted February 25, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink
What’s the matter Max, you gotta drag another thread to this one??? Are you THAT desperate??? You got illegal weapons you are hiding??? I gave you specifics… If you cant figure it out, then I feel sorry for you!!
———————————————

Chas, you do nothing but constantly harrass bloggers here who don’t agree with you. How does that feel bud?

You state you are happy with Baltimore and NYC sharing this gun data, yet YOU CANNOT SUPPORT YOUR POSITION!

Funny Chas.

You are against the 2nd Amendment, just admit it.

You are against Freedom, just admit it.

YOU CAN’T SUPPORT YOUR POSITION FOR BEING HAPPY ABOUT NYC AND BALTIMORE SHARING GUN INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting article reporting findings of a study by the the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, which polled more than 35,000 Americans over the age 18, and shows Protestants are on the verge of becoming a statistical minority in the U.S.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/02/25/protestants-verging-on-becoming-minorities.html

You struggle so much with the basics of human understanding!! Unbelievable!!

HA HA HA HA.

Yeah, like understanding the basics of your bullshit response on the Tiahrt topic.

Please explain your position on the Tiahrt Amendment oh great one.

Chas.
Posted February 25, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink
KsGrm, you made a pledge to not address me.. I see that was difficult for you… Do try hrder!!
———————————————

It’s that ignorant animal magnetism you possess Chas!

You are irresistable!

EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION ON TIAHRT CHAS!

YOU CAN’T!!!!!

BAD DOG!!!!

Max, I gave you my reasons… If you cant READ what I wrote, that is not my problem!! Max, it is most annoying to read day after day after day a bunch of trivial dope out of a Man who should know better… A Man who has lived through much of the same things I have lived through… A MAN who should know the dangers of Tyranny…. of oppression… And yet you continue to spout forth some of the lousiest, dirtiest CRAP I have ever seen in recent years!! With the GARBAGE you post on here I definitely feel like a guy like Timothy McVeigh would have been happy to call you a comrade!!(in arms)

Now, I posted on the other thread why I am happy for Baltimore and NYC… I would suggest you go read it… very slowly, if you need to… Go read it and see that I am clearly on the side of Law Enforcement being able to DO THEIR JOBS, with a minimum of danger for losing their lives… and with a maximum interest in “protecting and serving” — And that would most definitely include being able to track down “Seized Illegal Weapons” in other departments….

WHY Tiahrt and others would oppose that, is far beyond my comprehension!!

And, ummmm Max…. NOBODY IS COMING AFTER YOUR GUNS, UNLESS YOU TURN THEM ON YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS FOR NO REASON!! GET IT???

Max,
Congrats, you did it again. Like a master craftsman you turn Chas into a raving lunatic. Did you go to school to learn that….oh wait, it’s just Chas, anybody can do it I guess whether trying or not.

Boxlock,

I was trying to be gentle with the Lad, since I’m aware of his fragile, and ignorant state of being.

Yet, somehow, as sensitive as I am, I still set him off into USING ALL CAPS!!!!

(chortles)

I like Jimmy Buffon.

You paranoid B***h — I am not talking about you!! Get over yourself!!

My reasons are posted on the Tiahrt Thread… Did you not read that??

JR I am not as positive about that as you are… Sometimes, yes, but other times not… and, then there are times I wonder about Granny!! LOL

Lord, lead us not into temptation;
But deliver us from those who think they’re you!

Granny, you cant even go a whole day without addressing me on the Blog.. like you said yesterday… You wouldnt be coming to my Church for the purpose of worship… You would be coming to find something to PICK AT… just like you do here!! For that reason, you would not be welcome… Get it??

Now, that said, I would also not do anything to keep you OUT…

ksgrm,

There’s not enough room in Chas’s laundromat church to have visitors.

Chas,

Check this website out:

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/Abualrub/allahs_identity.htm

GO FIND A BRIDGE TO HIDE UNDER, YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING TROLL!!

WHY SHOULD I AMUSA?? OR WHOEVER THE HECK YOU ARE?? ITS A BUNCH OF MUSH!!

JAMES, you been sleeping with those river geese again??? ROFL!!

Chas my revised intent was to treat you kindly and not let you get under my skin. I for one think I am doing admirably. I have been nothing but kind to you. But I will have to say that you latest reply to James wasn’t kind.

9. Because of the transforming power of God’s grace, all humans are called to be in right relationship with each other.

Your attitude would be in direct contradiction with #9.

Satan is Chas’s God.

gRM… ONE CANNOT BE IN A RIGHT RELATIONSHIP WITH A CONSTANT LIAR… SORRY!! THAT # 9 THAT YOU ARE PICKING APART, GOES TWO WAYS!!

Here are the sum total ‘Reasons’ from Chas’s other thread:

“Chas.
Posted February 25, 2008 at 2:56 pm | Permalink
Looks likemaybe Baltimore and NYC have figured out a way to get round TT’s precious amendment!! Hooray for the big guys!!”

“Chas.
Posted February 25, 2008 at 5:35 pm | Permalink
Hey, they need the information… If they share databases of “Seized Illegal Guns” with other Law Enforcement departments then they will have a record to work with in criminal investigation…”

That be it!

And that was your Chasism for the day.

Or 33 and 1/3?

JAMES… ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS… NOT THAT IT IS ANY OF YOUR FRIGGIN BUSINESS…

YES!!!

Appears to be innocent questions to me Chas. Why won’t you answer?

Does anyone have record players anymore?

I think I have a turntable.

I have a record player. It’s a Technics. Lot’s of 331/3 LPs left too.

I DID ANSWER YOU JAMES….

CAN YOU READ, LIAR???

Chas,

But I do not attend a synagogue.

Christains do not live under the old law. Christ fulfilled the old law.

Yes YHWH is the source of Yahweh.

But Yahweh (YHWH) is who he is and we live under a different dispensation today.

Chas – do you have to use all CAPS?

But, back to “God is OK with me”.

Does Allah work OK for you?

Does Baal work OK with you?

Does Beezlebub work OK for you?

Or Krishna, etc, etc?

Where did you attend Seminary Chas?

Do you have Synods?

Does your Church belong to a Convention?
Which one?

Do you give a call for those to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior at the end of Worship Service?

Do you sprinkle or immerse with Baptism?

Do you teach the Lord’s prayer and do you repeat it during sermons?

James, you are a true attempt at a work of art… Now you put out a NEW list of questions… Do you think I am stupid enough to answer your stupidity??

I already gave you an answer to the first list…

Chas, do you always drink and blog at the same time?

Not a good combination.

I posted your NYC Baltimore “reasons”. Didn’t comment about your 9 commandments at all.

Keep up.

Chad, go light a candle, hold a crucifix (if you have one) and read this out loud 3 times:

Prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the other evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

My church uses microphones, a sound system, obviously, and contemporary music.

May a joyful noise unto the Lord! Alleluia!

See, Max, thats where you got a problem… I am a Christian… why would I want to pray to an Angel???

“Now that has GOT to scare the bejesus out of McCain;s campaign staff.”

They’re screwed now, Pedant. Talk about the kiss of death.

I can see McCain and Bush in a Michael and Fredo embrace right now – it’s all over for McCain except for the ride in the fishing boat.

Chas,

You are right, praying to angels is not scriptural.

Chas.
Posted February 25, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink
Max, I gave you my reasons… If you cant READ what I wrote, that is not my problem!! Max, it is most annoying to read day after day after day a bunch of trivial dope out of a Man who should know better… A Man who has lived through much of the same things I have lived through… A MAN who should know the dangers of Tyranny…. of oppression… And yet you continue to spout forth some of the lousiest, dirtiest CRAP I have ever seen in recent years!! With the GARBAGE you post on here I definitely feel like a guy like Timothy McVeigh would have been happy to call you a comrade!!(in arms)

Now, I posted on the other thread why I am happy for Baltimore and NYC… I would suggest you go read it… very slowly, if you need to… Go read it and see that I am clearly on the side of Law Enforcement being able to DO THEIR JOBS, with a minimum of danger for losing their lives… and with a maximum interest in “protecting and serving” — And that would most definitely include being able to track down “Seized Illegal Weapons” in other departments….

WHY Tiahrt and others would oppose that, is far beyond my comprehension!!
———————————————–
Here’s the Tiahrt Amendment Chas.

http://www.house.gov/tiahrt/communications/press_releases/2007/Tiahrt_gun_amd/TIAHRT_amendment_2.pdf

Chas, can you please point out the specific section of the Tiahrt Amendment that prevents law enforcement from doing their job?

CAN YOU?

Huh?

Nope. You can cite Brady.com, but lies is all that you have.

LIE Chas.

LIE. LIE. LIE.

What kind of Deacons, James?? Serving Deacons, Ordained Deacons, or Pastoral Deacons??

Chas,
Does your church have an established liturgy?

What content typically makes up a service you conduct?

Is yours a church with a brick and mortar location?

Do you welcome visitors to your church and if so will you invite us as participants on this blog to attend? As long as we don’t blog there.

Your church doesn’t by chance have a foundational purpose based on the IRS does it?

Blogexorcism?

Of course it wasnt hard James… But it sure was pretty dumb of you to ask such trivial stuff… Different congregations are structured different ways… Different services are structured for different purposes… Surely you dont think every Sunday is the Same Old Same Old, do you??

WS,

Nitwit no!

Hobbit? Possibly!

Are you an Orc?

Hmm I could find out what church James goes to.

Or if he even goes.

He doesn’t seem to get out much.

“Are you an Orc?”

Nope.

WS,

Do you know what an Orc is?

MAX — control yourself… I DID NOT… repeat DID NOT say anything for or against the Tiahrt Amendment on the other thread… Which is where your drivel belongs… ALL I said was I think its pretty neat the way NYC and Baltimore (and hopefully others) have figured out a way to get around that Amendment… Now, GO READ WHAT I SAID instead of making up any more of your friggin LIES!! I get sick of your constant LIES!!

Thank you Chas

ANTI,

That was cool about the speaker being a Peavey!

American, of the USA, well I’m a Marshall guy myself, but I wouldn’t blame a guy that used a Peavey.

Grm, because thats my OPINION…. thats why!! And as for manufacturers…. Hey, if a bartender can be held responsible for the guy who drinks too much in his bar, and goes out and kills somebody in his car… maybe the manufacturers ought to have some kind of accountability when it comes to guns… That one is still up in the air, as far as I am concerned… I just want law enforcement to have FULL access to what they need to do their job to protect me and mine… And, it looks like NYC and Baltimore have managed to make sure they can do their jobs…

Now, like I said, that stuff belongs on another Thread… or, did it get locked down like the Obama thread??

WS,

Have you heard of the Lord of the Rings?

Max,

Even Chas deserves a second chance!

Nice job, Horst Wessel, of getting a thread closed down.

Actually, now that it’s all over and done with, I must say that the security at the El Dorado Obama event was not tight.

I’m not going to specify, but it should have been better.

Grundy,

I assume that you know, The Lord of the Rings is an allegory in movie form about the life of Christ written by JRR Tolkein, a contemporary of CS Lewis.

Much like the Chronicles of Narnia, by CS Lewis.

Grm, you have the blatant audacity to tell ANYBODY here to speak nicer??? You got a finger pointing at somebody else, there are some pointing BACK at you!! You just want to dictate to others… You just cant take it when it gets thrown back in your face!!

MAX — You are defending Christians how??? By praying to ANGELS??? Yea, right!! You hang in there with your superstitions, ok??? Make sure you hang on tight to that rabbit’s foot now… And sleep with that garlic around your neck…

AMERUSA — Lord of the Rings was in BOOK form LONG before it was a movie!! As was the Chronicles of Narnia…

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/02/25/protestants-verging-on-becoming-minorities.html

Here’s another take from US News and World Report. I honestly don’t know which or what sources are credible, acceptable… Anyway, here are two sources reporting on a study. Whatta ya think

Grunday,

Do you object to the Lord of the Rings? And why?

“CapnAmerica” offers –

“Actually, now that it’s all over and done with, I must say that the security at the El Dorado Obama event was not tight.

“I’m not going to specify, but it should have been better.

That kinda bothered me, too, “CapnAmerica.”

Now, it was a bitterly cold day and thousands of people showed up… to just about everyone’s surprise. And once the stage was set and the lights were hung, the Obama campaign opted for getting people in the building rather than extending the wait outside in the cold…

And I must confess that I was almost in “Hank”-mode, scanning the audience looking for this generation’s Arthur Bremmer. For all I knew, “Nathan” was there packing heat and someone had told him Barrack killed shot his dog.

I’m old enough to know just how inspiring Martin Luther King was and how inspiring Bobby Kennedy was and 1968 — thanks to hot flying lead that typical right wingnut “Horst Wessel” advocates — resulted in Richard M. Nixon.

Rumsfeld, Cheney, all sorts of Republic Party leaders got their start thanks to Dick Nixon’s presidency. No wonder the Republic Party is considerding Hot Lead as an alternative to democracy. It’s about the only card they’ve got to play.

Well, K State lost. Not a good week for the state men’s teams. ;-(

Good night all!

Good talking to you all!

May the lord bless you and keep you and may he shine his light down upon you!

Good articles Linda… I saw the Pew Forum article last week… got it from the Denominational offices… I agree with almost all of the article… with one rather subtle exception….

I think one of the resons for the rise of the Mega Churches, is the breakdown of the “neighborhood” concept… As more people flee for the hills… errrr… the suburbs… the old “neighborhood” churches, and grocery stores, etc., have all lost out… Instead of local neighborhood churches, we are seeing this increase in more of what I would call “regional” churches to replace the old neighborhood church…

With that exception, I think the Pew Forum is right on the money…

I remember when the first modern style architecture “mega” church was built in Wichita — Metropolitan Baptist, over on McClean Blvd. by the Stadium…

Before that, the “mega” churches were First Presbyterian, First United Methodist, First Baptist (all downtown churches) and St. Mary’s Cathedral… They were “mega” churches in terms of numbers of members…

Once the city started expanding, there came Church of the Magdalene, Central Christian out on North Rock (result of a church split), then came Central Community Church on W. Maple… and now many many others have sprung up…

But, still, the underlying factor is the population relocation outward from center city…

KsGrm,
I see that you did not respond to my post on your dishonest portrayal of my post about Karl Rove. Lying is such an unbecoming trait for grandmothers, don’t you think?

I had nastier things to say, but I will refrain, because beating up on an alleged grandmother (and I am not convinced of same) is just so unseemly, it feels to me.

Sometimes the world seems really upset — a bad tummy ache and very grouchy! Do you think when we quit hanging out on the porch and over the back fence we lost something very valuable? Now we stay in our air conditioned homes in front of the television and / or computer and we’ve lost our ability to treat humanity with dignity and kindness. Enough deep thoughts (doesn’t take much to get to the bottom of my old brain!) — must get some sleep. Goodnight all!

ANTI,

Did you even read the title of outlander’s op-ed?

The “new Ice Age”, caused by lower solar activity in the future, was the op-ed’s main point.

I already covered some other minor points upthread, at 12:34 pm.

“J R” –

Maybe that’s the problem between us. I never fell victim to the Far Right as you did.

I pretty much saw them as they are from the start.

You were seduced by them, albeit as a kid. I can only imagine what led to your epiphany.

And, frankly, you are nothing close to “far Left.” No one in mainstream political discussion seems to be “far Left” anymore. I’m not, but I keep tabs on the real “far Left,” and what they want would make Dennis Kucinich blush.

And that’s kind of the point: the so-called “Conservatives” on this forum (and many others) have become so radicalized right-wingers they’ve lost touch with perspective and reality.

But, thanks to the conservative-dominated-mainstream-media, we progressives are playing road games. CONservative Republic Party dogma is the home field these days.

I’m on record somewhere (Google is your friend) for wondering — on 9/11 — if 9/11 was America’s Reichstag Fire.

Since you were seduced by the Right and came to your senses, I tend to respect your views. Since I wasn’t, I tend to think that most Americans aren’t as vile as some of the Cons who choose to contribute to this forum. Maybe you know better. Maybe everyone who’s a registered member of the Republic Party is a fascist.

JR, Monkey, Chas:

Life is tough. It’s hard to keep track. It’s easy to take your poltical ideology from off-the-shelf.

We are the exception.

I rather liked some of the things Reagan was saying in 1980 (hell, I was only a kid). My mother reminded me that talk was cheap. I was already inclined towards the Democrats–I remembered Nixon all too well. But Jimmy was toast.

My older brother talked me out of voting for Anderson. And taught me a few other things. I started paying attention.

I think that’s the most important thing, ultimately, no matter what your views. Pay attention. I’ve been particularly guilty this season in particular of settling on sound bites. And I knew it wasn’t enough. I think I even posted it here.

Oh well.

I respect’s JR’s conversion quite a bit, as my whole life has been an ongoing conversion. I suppose I’ve been (to some degree) a Democrat for quite a while, but, at various times, I’ve called myself a Democrat, a Socialist, a Libertarian, a Green, and an Independent. None really fits, except maybe the last, though certainly not in corpo-newspeak terms.

I’m just me. A registered nothing.

As the saying goes, think outside the box.

“Rage” –

I had a John Anderson bumper sticker on my car in 1980.

I suspect most of us mainstream moderates really would prefer a liberal Republican on the ballot.

Clinton came close.

But the Republic Party systematically has rejected the politics of Eisenhower or Rockefeller or Anderson.

The Republic Party has driven itself so far to the right even McCain is considered “too liberal.” Just like 1996 when Bob Dole was considered “too liberal.” Bob Dole.

When John McCain and Bob Dole are “too liberal” for you, you’ve gone so far over the right wing edge reality is no longer a perspective worth respect.

Bob Dole! Too “liberal?”

OK I lied.

I wanted to get this in for the Obama folks.

” A day after Hillary Clinton angrily called on Barack Obama to stop mailing campaign literature she said misrepresented her positions, the New York senator adopted a more sarcastic tone toward her rival on a campaign swing through Rhode Island Sunday.

Speaking to a crowd at Rhode Island College, Clinton said, “None of the problems we face will be easily solved,” and then went on to mock Obama’s message of unity.

“Now, I could stand up here and say, ‘Let’s just get everybody together. Let’s get unified,’” Clinton said to laughter of the crowd.

“The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect,” she said dryly as the crowd erupted.

“Maybe I’ve just lived a little long, but I have no illusions about how hard this is going to be,” Clinton continued. “You are not going to wave a magic wand to make special interests disappear.”

And I prove that here all the time as no measure I afford the right goes unpunished on me.

Obama is an unknown.

Google “know your enemy”+”Sun Tzu”

Half of Catholics leave the “Church” because that abomination is nothing but dogma.

Transmogrification? Gross. The Christ wouldn’t want you to kill him each week and then eat him!?!?!?! Gross.

“Universal Church”?…yeah right.

Shit…I didn’t want to start into this.

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