Open thread 2/21

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116 Comments

  1. Heckler
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Here Cozzy Cozzy

    “Every climate scientist in the world has known beyond any doubt, for at least several years now, that late 20th century warming was driven almost entirely by the very high levels of solar activity between 1940 and 2000 (details below). They also know the corollary: that when solar activity drops into a down phase, the earth will get cold, possibly even precipitating the next ice age (due any century now).”

    “If only the sun had stayed aboil for one more solar cycle, the religionists would have succeeded. When the inevitable cooling did come, it would still pull the curtain off of their global warming hoax, but by then it would be too late. Economic restrictions would already be fixed in place, under UN bodies that the religionists control.”

    “Between 1940 and 2000, solar activity was at the highest levels seen in the geologic record. Given the known effect of solar wind on global temperature, that means that late 20th century warming was driven largely if not entirely by high levels of solar activity, and every climate scientist in the world knows it.”

  2. Political_mama
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    It just keeps getting worse for St Mary’s that fired a female referee. These people don’t even have a sports program for girls. I wonder if they even teach girls how to read. Kindof seems like girls are brought up to feel in that school as if their place is very much secondary to men.

    Their official statement is now:

    Quote:
    The formation of adolescent boys is best accomplished by male role models, as the formation of girls is best accomplished by women,” the statement said. “Hence in the boys’ athletic competitions, it is important that the various role models (coaches and referees) be men.”

    So now women cannot be role models for men? WTH? That’s almost worse than not being allowed to have ‘authority’.

  3. MonkeyHawk
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    IS McCAIN’S LOBBYIST BOINK-BUDDY HUCKABEE’s “MIRACLE?”

    This is so much fun because Iseman wasn’t some starstruck intern, Iseman was making enough money to take Johnny Mac on clients’ corporate jets. And get her blue miniskirts dry cleaned.

    This story was first revealed by Matt Drudge in December. If it had gained traction before the Republic Party primaries, would Johnny Mac be the presumed nominee?

  4. Heckler
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2008/02/global-warming-alarmists-knew-cooling.html

    Schneider stated his attitude towards scientific honesty in a 1989 interview with Discover Magazine:
    So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. … Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.
    This calculated dishonesty does not apply only to the magnitude of alarmist claims, but also to their direction. The alarm that Schneider is looking to raise is not over any particular climate change. Neither cooling nor warming actually matters to him. The alarm he wants to raise is over human activity.

  5. MonkeyHawk
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    “Political_Mama” –

    I’d just asumed St. Mary’s Academy was a boys’ school. Okay, that’s wierd enough in its own ways, but not all that uncommon.

  6. Heckler
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    “How did the field of climatology come to be dominated by environmental religionists, glad to promote what has at this point become a full fledged hoax? There have always been plenty of environmental religionists in academia, but Al Gore is the one who gave them billions of dollars to play with, while excluding all “contrarians” from his largesse. As vice president over the eight years when global warming hysteria first made climate science a funding priority, Al Gore allocated every dime. This was his portfolio as President Clinton’s climate science czar. With over ten billion dollars to spend (a huge amount for academia), Al Gore created the current climate science industry almost from scratch, transforming what had been a small backwater discipline into a juggernaut of his own framing.”

    http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2008/02/global-warming-alarmists-knew-cooling.html

  7. Mary Caruso
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Many religious institutions refuse to move out of the dark ages…you see it everywhere, not just in the Catholic Church.

  8. Posted February 21, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    So we hit a school bus sized satellite on the first shot. Freakin amazing if you ask me.

    What message have we sent? The fuel used is highly toxic. OK I believe that now. But I still have suspicion it was shot to protect the technology from getting into the wrong hands.

    China and Russia think this was a show of force, even though China did the same thing last year.

    What do y’all think?

  9. Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Anybody hear anything about the Peter Paul v Hillary Clinton case yesterday?

  10. Regular
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    What’s more amazing to me Sol, is that a missile hit a school bus-sized satellite traveling at 22 times the speed of sound. :)

  11. Hud
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    I think the missile shot was a good excuse (save the world from the fuel) to show someone what we could do.

    And at the same time keep the electronics out of someone’s hands.

  12. Steven Davis
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    “What message have we sent? The fuel used is highly toxic. OK I believe that now. But I still have suspicion it was shot to protect the technology from getting into the wrong hands.”

    NPR was saying today that one would have to deliberately inhale the fuel fumes for them to be dangerous. They suspected shooting it down was to keep the tecknoology away from China or their ilk.

  13. J R
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    I think it was a shameless star wars stunt.

    Oh and it was almost cancelled or put off due to waves.

    At sea.

    So much for missile defense ideas!

  14. Regular
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Hate to blow wind up your collective skirts, but Hydrazine is used not only in some satellites, but in fighter aircraft and I believe the space shuttle.

  15. gster
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    In any event , to consider the physics required to hit an SUV sized target approaching at over 17,000 MPH with a kinetic energy vehicle is mind boggling.
    And I too think there was more to this than the toxicity of the fuel.

  16. Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Ok so most of us are on the same page. The shot was amazing. Both vehicles were moving at tremendous speed and there were many many miles between them. Bully for us.

    The fumes were toxic. Would that have been an issue upon re-entry? Unknown.

    We wanted to protect our technology. No harm no foul.

    We wanted to prove we could do it. Here is where the issue sets up. We are going to/have put missile shield missiles in Europe to supposedly protect them from Iran. These missiles have caused Putin (sp?) some heartburn.

    But then our missiles were discounted that they didn’t work. Have we just proven that they do? Should we have the missiles in Europe?

  17. lindainks55
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Do the pieces fall to earth or add to the junkyard in space?

    How much of our money (that China loaned us) did this cost?

  18. Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    The remains are supposed to reenter and burn up over the Atlantic and Pacific.

    As to the cost, the missiles have been in our inventory. Hard to say when they were purchased and with what funds.

  19. Regular
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Sol,

    I’m sure the DOD had this planned out from day one, but was waiting on the technology to do so.

    It’s like setting the transatlantic record for flight speed.

    Shooting down an object with a sea-based missile gives the DOD propaganda machine more mileage than a Volkswagen going down a greased hill with a stiff wind pushing it.

  20. J R
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    “Have we just proven that they do? ”

    Yes.

    When we know the orbital trajectory of the object as a followed known. When conditions are absolutely perfect. And when there is weeks of advance planning.

    Credible as missile defense? Hardly.

  21. Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    In reality, we’ve had decades to plan. The trajectory, while not 100% accurate, can be easily determined by the firing point and target. It wouldn’t be that hard, even with mobile ICBMs to figure out at least a decent avenue of approach for the inbound munitions.

    The missile used last night was a heat seeker. So just getting it pointed in the right general direction should have the desired effect.

  22. lindainks55
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    The attempt by the U.S. Navy to use an anti-missile missile to shoot down a potentially hazardous satellite will cost between $40 million and $60 million, Pentagon officials told CNN on Friday.

  23. Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Can we have the link Linda? Is that new money spent or money that had already been spent – i.e. the missile cost $x but was purchased on …

  24. lindainks55
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    had to go find it again. I had moved on to articles about the “debris field.” Which btw isn’t all going to come down and burn up as it enters our atmosphere. They don’t know for sure what will happen with the “debris field,” or whether it will come down over inhabited land regions.

    Here’s the link I pulled the cost quote from:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/15/spy.satellite/

  25. Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    The fuel tank might have survived re-entry if the satellite had fallen to Earth on its own. It could have dispersed harmful or even potentially deadly fumes over an area the size of two football fields. Hydrazine is similar to chlorine or ammonia in that it affects the lungs and breathing tissue.

    But some analysts said the Pentagon had reasons other than safety for bringing down the satellite.

    “The spy agency doesn’t want some part of the satellite to fall into the wrong hands,” Philip Coyle, a former assistant secretary of defense, told SPACE.com.

    The Web site also reported that Coyle said the shootdown allowed the Pentagon to show off U.S. missile defense capabilities and to prove to China “we can shoot down a satellite in a test without creating a lot of debris like they did.”

    The Chinese military destroyed an aging weather satellite last year.

    James Jeffrey, deputy national security adviser, denied the allegation that the U.S. was flexing its military muscle. “This is all about trying to reduce the danger to human beings,” he said.

    But Beijing appears to have doubts.

    “China is continuing to closely follow the possible harm caused by the U.S. action to outer space security and relevant countries,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said Thursday.

    “China further requests that the United States … promptly provide to the international community the necessary information … so that relevant countries can take precautions.”

    In January 2007, China used a land-based missile to destroy a 2,200-pound satellite that was orbiting 528 miles above the Earth. The impact left more than 100,000 pieces of debris orbiting the planet, NASA estimated — 2,600 of them more than 4 inches across. The U.S. agency called the breakup of the Fengyun-C satellite the worst in history.

    In 1989, a U.S. fighter jet destroyed an American satellite by firing a modified air-to-air missile into space from an altitude of 80,000 feet. That move adds to evidence the U.S. acted Wednesday strictly to guard against the prospect of a potential disaster, Cartwright said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/21/satellite.shootdown/index.html

  26. Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Burn before re-entry?
    “Nearly all of the debris will burn up on re-entry within 24-48 hours and the remaining debris should re-enter within 40 days,” it said.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23265613/

  27. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    “Many religious institutions refuse to move out of the dark ages…you see it everywhere, not just in the Catholic Church.”

    Yeah Mary. And even worse, they want to drag the rest of us back to the dark ages as well.

    Seems like it’s working in Kansas.

  28. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    I wonder when huelskamp will come out in support of this action by this school? ‘Cause ya know he approves…

  29. Regular
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Sol and lindainks55, thanks for the articles.

    But you know what’s more dangerous than that following spy satellite.

    It will be gaseous anomaly, nicked named H.Clinton, which come crashing back to earth in a fiery, explosive path when Obama wins the Democratic nomination. :D

  30. Regular
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    following = falling

  31. Ken
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Surprised they didn’t try using the laser technology that has met with some success in AF tests

  32. CF2K
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Oh, editors, can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a “Straight-Talking Philanderer” thread?

    So, smart money says The Huckster knew this was coming and stayed in the race. Smarter money says he spilled the beans.

    Once again, dear editors, can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a thread for the Senator McCain, aka the “Straight Talking, Lobbyist Shtupping, Philanderer?”

  33. Max
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Hud
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink
    I think the missile shot was a good excuse (save the world from the fuel) to show someone what we could do.

    And at the same time keep the electronics out of someone’s hands.
    ————————————————-

    It was a clear message to China that we can do it too. Blow up ours, and we’ll get yours.

    And it was a nice reminder to Russia as well.

  34. Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Smarter money says he spilled the beans.

    Nice call CF.

  35. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I wonder if they even teach girls how to read.

    Problem was not givin’ ‘em the right to vote, it was teachin’ ‘em to talk in the first place.

    *ducks* Don’t really mean it. I agree with your post, PoliMom.
    _________________________________________________
    But I still have suspicion it was shot to protect the technology

    Sol, with all the interest in reading everyone’s e-mail and listening in on people’s 972 (they still have those?) phone conversations, I doubt we have any secret technology left.
    _______________________________________________

  36. lindainks55
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    I suspect it will be OK with all the Republicans except those who already support Huckabee.

  37. American Way
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    News from the statehouse today:

    SENATE COMMITTEE PASSES OUT BILL ON SCHOOL FINANCE
    The Senate Ways and Means Committee passed out SB 531, this morning, a bill sponsored by 33 Senators. The bill would add $59 to the base state aid per pupil in FY 2010, establishing a BSAPP rate of $4,492 for the 2009-2010 school year and beyond. The bill also would appropriate
    $37.2 million from the State General Fund in general state aid in FY 2010; create the Keeping Education Promises Trust Fund with a requirement to transfer $37.2 million to the State General Fund in FY 2010 for school finance. Senator Derek Schmidt, R-Independence, submitted written testimony in support of the bill. Representatives of the Kansas Association of School Boards and the Kansas National Education Association testified on the bill, expressing support for additional funding, but expressing concern that the amount of the funding was not sufficient.
    In 2006, SB 549 established a three-year school finance plan in response to a lawsuit filed by districts with a high percentage of at risk students. The three year plan increased funding for at risk, special ed and bilingual students, and runs through FY 2009. This bill essentially adds a fourth year, putting the entire amount into Base State Aid Per Pupil. The fiscal note indicates that, although funding of $37.2 million is appropriated for general state aid, no appropriations are made for other expenditures related to a base aid increase. There are no provisions for supplemental general state aid (estimated at $3.7 million), KPERS-School, or special education.

  38. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    ““Straight Talking, Lobbyist Shtupping, Philanderer?”

    Hee hee hee HEEEE!

  39. American Way
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    More news from the statehouse:

    HOUSE DEBATES BILL ON DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP ORDINANCE IN LAWRENCE
    A bill to repeal Lawrence’s domestic partnership registry is being debated this morning . . . now this afternoon . . . in the Kansas House.
    HB 2299 is a measure proposed by state Rep. Lance Kinzer, R-Olathe.
    The Lawrence City Commission established a domestic partnership registry last year at the request of gay and lesbian couples who said it could help them secure health insurance benefits for their partners.
    The registry allows unmarried couples — both same-sex and heterosexual — to register their domestic partnerships at City Hall. Forbes magazine’s 200 largest privately owned firms offer domestic partner benefits to their employees. Since many large businesses provide benefits to their employees’ domestic partners, registries, like the one in Lawrence, provide a method for employees to prove their co-habitation relationship with their partner. No other Kansas municipality has such an ordinance.
    Kinzer has said the registry violates a Kansas constitutional amendment that voters approved in 2005, recognizing marriage as only between one man and one woman. Attorney General Phill Kline, who supported the constitutional amendment on gay marriage, stated that “domestic partnerships” are legal under the Kansas Constitution, as amended by the voters in 2005. Shortly after passage of that amendment, then-Attorney General Phill Kline told the Associated Press: “The state constitution’s ban on same sex marriage and civil unions doesn’t prevent local or state government agencies from extending benefits to gay employees’ partners. It’s my belief that they could, and we would defend them in that choice.” A legal opinion by former Attorney General Paul Morrison also said the registry doesn’t violate the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.
    Kinzer also argues that laws affecting couples and families should be uniform throughout the state.
    During the 2007 legislative session, the House Federal & State Affairs committee approved Kinzer’s bill, but it never received a vote before the full House. When it was considered today, after a hour of debate, the vote was to send the bill to the Judiciary Committee for further consideration.

  40. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    And does anyone but me think the mistress looks weirdly like his wife? His second wife I mean. Ya know, the one he was shtupping before he divorced his first wife?

    He must have a thinkg for young blonds with really wide set eyes…

  41. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Yeah amway and I also noticed that yesterday, the Holcomb bills went to conference committee. Conincience? I think not.

    The repukes like huelskamp and neufeld have only one strategy regarding Holcomb.

    Scortched earth.

    literally, and figuratively

  42. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    If the western Kansas delegation worked this hard and fought this hard to preserve the water out here, we wouldnt be FACING a water problem.

    But then, water doesnt pay nearly as well as Ol King Coal…

  43. American Way
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    One more item from our statehouse that blogging citizens may find of interest:

    SENATE COMMITTEE DEBATES MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE
    The Senate committee debated yesterday about increasing the state’s minimum wage. The bill would raise the wage from $2.65 to $6.55 per hour beginning this August and to $7.25 by August 2009, something the bill’s sponsor, Sen. Roger Reitz, R-Manhattan, said is long overdue. “I don’t understand quantum physics or calculus, and that doesn’t hold a candle to my lack of understanding of the resistance to passing this fair minimum wage in Kansas,” he said.
    Both sides said they sought to help the lowest-paid workers.
    Opponents questioned who would be affected by such a change and wondered if the proposal would actually hurt those at the bottom of the pay scale. Proponents pointed out that Kansas has the lowest wage in the country and is the only state below the federal level. They also argue that all of the surrounding states have minimum wages above the federal minimum wage.
    The current state minimum wage was enacted in 1988, and since that time, 14 bills seeking to increase that number have been introduced and died. Heidi Zeller, coordinator of Kansas Action Network’s “Raise the Wage Campaign,” said not paying workers enough amounted to artificially low prices for the consumer. “(Workers) are not just underpaid, they are subsidizing employers, stockholders and customers who do not have to pay the realistic cost of producing goods and services,” she said.
    Opponents of the bill asked who falls under the state law.
    According to 2006 statistics from the U.S. Department of Labor, 17,000 Kansas were paid under the federal minimum wage, but that was survey data and it isn’t clear whether wait staff, who work on tips, constituted the majority of that number. The state minimum wage applies only to those businesses that aren’t subject to the federal Fair Labor Standards Act. That would include businesses with less than $500,000 in sales in a year and not engaging in interstate commerce, which includes credit card transactions. Opponents also questioned the economics of the proposal. Alan Cobb, executive director of Americans for Prosperity, said the increase in wages could mean cutting costs elsewhere in businesses. In the end, customers would see an increase in the prices they pay.
    The committee hasn’t scheduled a time to debate and vote on the bill, but Reitz said he would ask for that “over and over and over.”
    Senator Reitz is a medical doctor.

  44. Tap Herroni
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    He must have a thinkg for young blonds with really wide set eyes

    That’s what I like too. It’s fun to watch their eyes cross when they eat a banana.

  45. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Hmmmm… isnt newsmax the favorite source of news for cons? I mean, after fux news?

    “Remember folks – this isn’t the first time that McCain has been an adulterer
    Advertisements [?]He has admitted that his philandering was responsible for the breakup of his first marriage.

    ==
    Media Ignore John McCain’s Offenses

    But, just a couple years later, McCain, while pondering a future in politics, met Cindy Hensley, an attractive 25-year-old woman from a very wealthy politically-connected Arizona family. While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce.

    more -

    http://www.newsmax.com/john_leboutillier/john_mccain/20…

  46. Tap Herroni
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    You ever eat a banana farmgirl?

    A real one, I mean.

  47. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    I coulda sworn I heard someone say today “I did not have sex with that woman”….

  48. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    At least Monica wasnt a high dollar lobbyist with telecom clients that requested favors from a Sentate Commerce Committee.

  49. Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I too second the motion that we should have a McCain “I did not have sex with that woman” Thread.

    Also, editors, should any of you be reading this, thank you for running Krugman on the Op-Ed page.

    Never thought I’d see that in my lifetime . . .

  50. Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Regular’s back with Tap.

    Hey, Regular, my money says that gay grrls are getting happy a lot more than you are.

    Jerk.

  51. Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    “And does anyone but me think the mistress looks weirdly like his wife? His second wife I mean. Ya know, the one he was shtupping before he divorced his first wife?”

    BINGO! KsFrmGrl

    That was my first thought too . . .

  52. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Cant wait for the “investigative” media to start in on obama someday…

  53. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Hee hee hee captain. Why do you think they call us “gay”?

  54. American Way
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    “WASHINGTON(AP) Barack Obama won the Democrats Abroad global primary in results announced Thursday, giving him 11 straight victories in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    The Democrats Abroad controls seven pledged delegates at the party’s national convention this summer. However, the group’s system of dividing the delegates is unique, and could create an anomaly in which Obama and Clinton end up with fractions of delegates.

    The party will send 14 pledged delegates to the convention, each with a half vote. The primary was used to determine nine people, or the equivalent of 4.5 delegates. Obama won 2.5 and Clinton won two, according to Schon Marques.”

    Obama! Obama! Obama!

    Funny how all these delegates get cut up, divided, and mixed together. I wonder when the “majority” vote will count?

  55. Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    “…I still have suspicion it was shot to protect the technology from getting into the wrong hands.China and Russia think this was a show of force, even though China did the same thing last year.
    What do y’all think?”

    SolDevVB, who cares…it was a fantastic shot! Whether it saved us from the threat of Hydrazine or potentially saves us from our political enemies, and maybe someday enemies of war, it helped accomplish both.
    Great technological feat.
    China has NO room to bitch, they shot one down first and tried to get away with it.
    Hydrazine is the oxidizer used in some liquid fuel rockets. The same was used in the Titan ballistic missiles stationed here at one time I believe. It is highly corrosive and will kill or scar the lung tissue upon contact.

  56. Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:45 am
    I meant to say ‘Hydrazine is used with an oxidizer’, like nitrogen tetroxide. It is the fuel.

  57. Dennis
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    It was a fantastic shot.

    The navy should be happy, it showed the air force it can shoot down things, too.

    When does my Army get a chance? Or the Marines? Maybe we could put the sniper schools on it. Give ‘em a chance to crawl around and wear their camo.

  58. Dennis
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Maybe we could let Nathan do it.

  59. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    When does my Army get a chance? Or the Marines?

    Going to have to lead them a bit more than livestock and civilians.

    What movie WAS that?

  60. J R
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    “And does anyone but me think the mistress looks weirdly like his wife?”

    See? I was saying that last night when this story broke.

    Hoo boy ya gotta go far and wide to find such a strange “look”. Fetish thing maybe?

  61. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    I dunno JR. Maybe young blonds with really wide set eyes just have a thing for McCain?

    I kinds feel sorry for ol’ Vicky. It is always the women who suffer in these deals, and many a competent woman has been smeared by someone saying she slept her way to the top.

    Then again, I know lots of professional women who DO use their wiles to charm the easily charmed men. Hell, I’ve even had some take a run at batting their eyes with ME!

    I’m just true to my sweetie. Unlike McCain…

  62. Tap Herroni
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    It worked for Bill Clinton.

    Nobody cared about the poor women who sufferred because of him.

  63. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Many celebrity couples have also publicly dealt with marital infidelity. These include Presidents such as Franklin Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson and Bill Clinton; public figures such as Prince Charles, Princess Diana, Gary Hart, Martin Luther King and David Beckham; Hollywood actors such as Jude Law, Eric Benet, Hugh Grant, Bill Cosby, Sophia Loren; and known Indian personalities such as Kamal Hassan, Kabir Bedi, Saif Ali Khan, Aamir Khan, and Boney Kapoor. Some of these couples managed to sail through the tragic storm of infidelity and some, sadly, succumbed to it.

    At least Billy has good company. Shrub has…Polk?

  64. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Boney Kapoor?

    Noooooooooooo! Say it isnt so!

  65. RD
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    There is such a thing as saying NO. I think people have forgotten how to do that.

  66. J R
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    “Maybe young blonds with really wide set eyes just have a thing for McCain?”

    Maybe. Is it his masculine voice? Maybe his stooped geriatric stature? The fact that about half the time McCains eyes make him look batshit crazy?

    Nah.

    She’s a lobbyist, he’s a Senator.

    And like I was saying yesterday, if the right had got hold of this two weeks ago, they’d have crucified McCain in front of a live studio audience.

    Now they gotta Virginia reel with a full twist outta it. Heh Rush does a total field reversal in two short weeks.

  67. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    KFG, I’m ashamed (ok, not really) to say none of the Indian names struck a chord with me.

  68. uraidiot
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Tap Herroni
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink
    “It worked for Bill Clinton.

    Nobody cared about the poor women who sufferred because of him.”

    you’re kidding — yes as president BC should have known better — but she was complicit and consensual —- she got her 15 minutes — its what she was seeking

  69. Taz
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Little quick to judge, are we? One unsubstantiated allegation about political favors, and people here have already found him guilty. Claims of mistress, infidelity are being thrown around as if they were confirmed ‘facts’.

    Anyone bother with reality anymore? Or is that just too troublesome?

  70. J R
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    heh

    Pillowtalk express.

  71. Max
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Taz,

    They got nuthin.

    IF there was some news story here, it would have been unburied years ago.

    Anything Hillary or Obama did or didn’t do years ago is off limits.

    Do we go back further in time for Republicans?

  72. Tarmlaw
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    “yes as president BC should have known better — but she was complicit and consensual —- she got her 15 minutes — its what she was seeking”

    uraidiot, which woman are you referring to? It sounds like the BJ girl, but you seem to overlook the other women who took Bill Clinton to court, and won – over his sexual abuse.

  73. cosmos
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Here Hecky Hecky

    Heckler’s post at top of thread at 6:13 AM — “Between 1940 and 2000, solar activity…” is supposed to be based on Usoskin’s 2003 paper.

    But here is what Usoskin’s 2005 paper says (emphasis added)
    http://www.mps.mpg.de/dokumente/publikationen/solanki/c153.pdf
    The last 30 years [of data] are not considered however. In this time the climate and solar data diverge strongly from each other.

    Note that the most recent warming, since around 1975, has not been considered in the above correlations. During these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most recent warming trend must have another source

  74. cosmos
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Heckler,

    You left off an important part of Stephen Schneider’s quote,

    http://rpuchalsky.home.att.net/sci_env/sch_quote.html#quote
    “Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.”

  75. Posted February 21, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Seems like significant words get left out of a lot of quotes lately… Like out of Michelle Obama’s quote, that was so totally misquoted, that it wasnt even HER quote!! Geez!!

  76. MonkeyHawk
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Dan Kurtzman, who keeps the political snark fires burning over at About.com, wrote a terrific piece for his recent book, “How to Win a Fight with a Conservative.”

    Liberal Manifesto

    Liberals believe in clean air, diplomacy, stem cells, living wages, body armor for our troops, government accountability, and that exercising the right to dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

    Liberals believe in reading actual books, going to war as a last resort, separating church and hate, and doing what Jesus would actually do, instead of lobbying for upper-class tax cuts and fantasizing about the apocalypse.

    Liberals believe in civil rights, the right to privacy, and that evolution and global warming aren’t just theories but incontrovertible scientific facts.

    Liberals believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment that (1) prohibits another Bush from ever occupying the White House, and (2) prevents George W. Bush from ever becoming baseball commissioner before he does to our national pastime what he did for America.

    Liberals believe in rescuing people from flooded streets and rooftops, even if they’re too poor to vote Republican.

    Liberals believe that supporting our troops means treating our wounded vets like the heroes they are, and not leaving them to languish in rat-infested military hospitals under the outsourced management of incompetent cronies who think they’re running a Taco Bell franchise.

    Liberals believe in pheromones, sex ed, solar panels, voting paper trails, the common good, and that, no matter how fascinating a story it may be, a president should never sit around in a state of total paralysis reading “My Pet Goat” while America is under attack.

    And above all, liberals believe that it’s time to come together as a country and put a collective boot in the ass of shameless conservative fearmongers, hate merchants, and scapegoaters who are sucking the freedom out of all our souls.

  77. Hud
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    So Chas. what was her quote?

  78. littlejohn
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Chas-

    She was quoted correctly. She later “clarified” what she meant.

  79. Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Roadside bomb kills three U.S. soldiers in Baghdad 20 Feb 2008 05:34:01 GMT
    Source: Reuters
    BAGHDAD, Feb 20 (Reuters) – A roadside bomb killed three U.S. soldiers when it struck their vehicle in Baghdad, the U.S. military said in a statement on Wednesday.

    The vehicle was hit in the northwestern part of the capital late on Tuesday, the statement said. There were no further details.

    Attacks have fallen across Iraq in recent months due to a crackdown on militants, U.S. commanders say, but 22 soldiers have been killed so far in February.

    In total, 3,966 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq since the 2003 invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L2049174.htm

    Meanwhile, war-lord Muqtadah Al Sadr is considering voiding his cease-fire . . .

  80. Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Good post, MH.

  81. Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Gravity is also a theory… last time I checked…

    Global Warming is more of an informed hypothesis…

  82. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    ghotiphaze, that’s why I try (not always successfully) to use the phrase “scientific theory” or the plural when referring to such. I realize that in light of what appears to be a general science illiteracy among many, such distinction may well be lost upon and not make a difference to them as they cannot comprehend why the use of the adjective matters, but it is important to distinguish between that which is a theory as defined in science and the word “theory” which oft is shorthand for “just a wild a$$ed guess”, not even rising in dignity to “hypothesis”.

  83. Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Hud
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
    So Chas. what was her quote?
    ===============================

    Look it up… http://www.cnn.com type “Michelle Obama” in the search window at the top of the page…

    From there, click on Breitbart link for a video of the first and second speeches… In the second speech, she makes no statement of clarification… she basically repeats what she said previously…

    I dont see what the right wingers have their panties all in a wad over anyway… Is she not entitled to her opinion… on HER life???

  84. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Chas., given the more modern usage, what I learned as the “Laws of Gravity” have been reduced to “scientific theories” as the result of the development of experimental data that gravity doesn’t work as predicted by the “Laws” at the quantum level. Thus, gravity is indeed just a “theory”, albeit a scientific one.

  85. Hud
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Gravity is also a theory…

    I think you will find gravity is real. Now the how it occurs is a different story.

  86. Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Vaughn, I left out the “scientific” word…

  87. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    dang, vaughn, I thought you were a lawyer, what are you doing knowing what quantum theory is? What kinda self-respecting humanities studier are you?

    *ducks*

  88. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    gravity is a farce–the earth sucks.

    Sorry, I have a sound byte mentality.

  89. Posted February 21, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    OKAY OKAY…….about Johnny
    The ‘trophy wife’ thingy is kinda creepy huh?
    Johnny reminds me of Dr. Eeee-ville.
    Ya, know…trophy wife, entourage, all he needs is a little dog to carry.

  90. sursum
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    When being interview by an American jounalist in WW1 the French President was askeed what he would do if he found any of his cabinet members took a mistress. This followed the question of why the French gave cognac to their servicemen in the field and aboard ship. The astonished President said he would do nothing for if he did take action, he would have no cabinet left.

  91. Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Tracy, I think the “sexual inuendo” on this McCain story is being blown WAY out of proportion… Even David Gergen, on CNN just said it’s a NON story!!

    I wish somebody would do an investigative report on the low life, Drudge, who originally “leaked” the story on his infamous “report” — what a gossip monger!!

  92. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    ghotiphaze, please. I realize you are relatively new to this blog, so you have missed some posts describing how, had I been somewhat more adept at higher math (Calc I did me in), I’d likely be doing science research rather than what I do; that, notwithstanding your “humanities” thought, my undergrad major was in Accounting and Business Administration; and other miscellaneous topics such as these. You would have also read of the scientific bent of the elder daughter, her husband who is a Ph.D candidate in particle physics and other stuff like that. Yep, a frustrated scientist am I. No need to duck, BTW.

  93. Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Drudge was the first to report on the Monica Lewinsky affair too.

    Payback is such a b!tch.

  94. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Chas., the New Republic link I earlier posted discusses the Drudge thing a bit (if you haven’t already looked at it).

  95. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Well, you know the Humanities/Science fight. Scientists are supposed to be well versed in the humanities, but humanities students are supposed to be bereft of any scientific knowledge.

  96. Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    THIS is the guy that leaked he McCain story EIGHT years ago… WHY would the NYT run a story “leaked” by Drudge?? One never knows!!

    http://www.nndb.com/people/079/000026001/

  97. Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Cant find your link here Vaughn… You still have it handy?? Please??

  98. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Really, I’m impressed. Math kicks my keester, too. It wouldn’t matter, I couldn’t sit in one spot for too long anyway. Did Avionics in the military, and the flipping stitches, turning knobs, watching screen was driving me bat spit.

    good luck to your son-in-law on his particle doctorate.

  99. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Chas, you are in luck. Here ’tis.

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8b7675e4-36de-43f5-afdd-2a2cd2b96a24

  100. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    ghotiphaze, I’ll pass that on to him. Appreciate it.

  101. Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    ‘Indeed, when TNR started reporting on the whereabouts of the story on February 4th, all parties seemed intent on denying its viability. “There’s absolutely no story there. And it’d be a mistake for you to write about a non-story that didn’t run,” McCain adviser Charlie Black told me last week. “Drudge shouldn’t have put that up. He didn’t know what the hell he was doing.”‘ {New Republic}
    ============================

    Yep… looks like somebody needs to do a real good investigative story on Drudge… See my link to Drudge posted upthread… :-)

  102. Posted February 21, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    KsAg — The original post was from MonkeyHawk… I guess you knew that…

  103. Sweet N Low
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Close, but no cigar—

    WASHINGTON — A helicopter carrying three senior U.S. senators made an emergency landing in Afghanistan because of a snowstorm, but the senators are OK, spokesmen for the senators said Thursday.

    Sens. John Kerry, Joseph Biden and Chuck Hagel were aboard the aircraft, according to Jon Summers, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. The lawmakers are on a trip this week that includes stops in India, Turkey and Pakistan.

  104. Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Sweet N Low, you are TOO FUNNY.
    Cheer up, their trips not over, is it.

  105. uraidiot
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Typical of the short sighted cons to advocate harm to US Senators — so very small minded, much like regular/taz/et al

    Almost treasonous

  106. uraidiot
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    If I were regular I would have reported you to the FBI

  107. Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    uraidiot,
    The reason I call folks like you DemLibs is not so much because you are Democrat, but because you seem so very ‘Dem/dim’, get it? Hope I don’t have to explain.
    No one is “advocating harm” to anyone, not even to those numskulls.
    If you think it so serious why don’t you report to the FBI, they’ll get a chuckle too.

  108. Freebird
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    I have voted Republican for most of my adult life but there is no way I’m voting that way from here on out. Another 4 years of a Bush clone is more than I or this country can stand. The Democractic party seems to be the party that can get this country back on course. I do not agree with all of their policies but on the whole they are the only ones offering viable alternatives to the policies we have now.
    Republicans have only themselves to blame for the shape this country is in.

  109. Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink
    Obama thinks the National Anthem was written and to be sung like this, “O Che can you see…”, as in the Communist Che Guevara.
    =================================

  110. ANTI
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    21 ways to be a good democrat-
    http://democratequalssocialist.wordpress.com/2007/12/30/21-ways-to-be-a-good-democrat/

  111. Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Anti, I think your 21 ways to be a good DemLib is pretty much right on every count.

  112. Boxlock
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Well Kitrell, I’m glad to meet you. I hope you continue to blog from time to time as I would enjoy it as a significant improvement, and it fact improvement is what I need to stay around here myself.
    I think to help keep this from turning into another pi$$ing contest like it did last night I’m headed to bed to read a little.
    You keep up the good fight tonight.
    Night all, even Chas and JR…ouch that hurt.

  113. Kitrell
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    There is much more to life than blogging all night.
    A good book and an electric blanket for one.
    A warm wife breathing quietly under the covers right next to you. Flannel nightgown, hairclips, and beauty cream included.

    And the quiet only interrupted by the sound of the furnace kicking in or maybe the hoot of an owl outside.

    Family is all that really counts. Everything else washes away with time.

  114. ANTI
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Well said Kitrell

  115. parkay
    Posted February 21, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Five months after killing Laura Hope Smith, 22, during a botched abortion at 13 weeks gestation last September at Women Health Clinic abortion mill in Hyannis, MA, abortionist quack Rapin Osathanondh has permanently surrendered his medical license in the wake of a criminal investigation and disciplinary action by the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine. He will not practice “medicine” anywhere again.

  116. Posted February 22, 2008 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Good night; Good luck; and
    God bless; whatever you conceive
    God to be!

    Blessings All!!

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