Open thread 2/19

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  1. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    A friend sent this to me:

    http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html

  2. Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    TODAY’S NATIONAL DEBT:
    $9,264,937,235,155

  3. Songbird
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    Last night, while watching “Dance Wars” on ABC, I learned of the most wonderful news: Adam Carolla, erstwhile TV & Radio host of “Loveline” with Dr. Drew Pinsky, will be a featured celebrity on “Dancing With The Stars” – beginning on March 17.

    And I’m as happy as a little girl.

    I’ve loved the wondrously witty Carolla for more than a decade – since I first began watching “Loveline” on MTV in 1997. Why? Because he’s eminently lovable. He’s funny beyond belief; he’s scatalogical when necessary; he cuts through b.s. with a razor-sharp palate; he was a great foil for the clinical Dr. Drew; etc. Oh, and he accomplished something else – a stupendous feat of monumental import. (And it can be seen and heard on You Tube….)

    He did something neither Bill O’Reilly, Matt Lauer, Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes, et. al. could pull off: He hung up on the mannish mangle named Ann Coulter – and refused to be her latest castratee. And my hat’s off to him.

    The empathy-starved Phyllis Schlafly clone tried to make excuses, of course. Her publicist messed up; her dog shat on the picnic basket; her ob/gyn died of apoplexy after her latest appointment – what have you. And Adam weren’t havin’ none of it.

    The Very First Man hung up on the Hermaphrodite from Hades – and my respect for him shot up a hundredfold.

    And now I shall get to see one of my fave-rave men on the whole danged planet dance with panache every week on ABC – the only channel this cable-less chick can get clearly! I’m stoked! I’m gonna start counting the days until March 17 – and I’ve got my brand-new VCR/DVD player programmed and ready.

    I hope Bruno and Carrie Ann are ready – ’cause somethin’ tells me Eve’s better half is ready to knock their socks off – and ours, too!

  4. Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Interesting spin on the US intelligence satellite that is coming back home unexpectedly. The government told us that it might contain hazardous materials. I took that as “technology we don’t want anyone else to know about. “

    Now the Navy is talking about shooting it with a missile during reentry. Didn’t make a lot of sense as it is supposed to land in the Pacific I believe. The spin might be a show of force. That we have the technology to take out satellites from the ground.

    If that is the case, they better make damn sure they get it right the first time.

  5. Ben
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Interesting to note that the US objected strenuously when China did the same thing.

    As for the hazardous materials this may be a real concern. It is my understanding that the satellite uses unsym-dimethyl hydrazine which IS quite toxic. Therefore if it survived re-entry it could be a problem. I do have to wonder, however, why the satellite was not designed to allow for burning up the fuel in such a situation.

  6. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    22 WAYS TO BE A GOOD DEMOCRAT

    1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion
    on Demand.

    2. You have to believe that businesses create
    Depressions and governments create prosperity.

    3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding
    Americans are more of a threat than Nuclear weapons technology in
    The hands of Iranians and North Korean communists.

    4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

    5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
    cyclical documented changes in the earth’s climate and more affected by
    soccer moms driving SUV’s.

    6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
    homosexual is natural.

    7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
    funding.

    8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can’t teach fourth graders
    how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

    9. You have to believe that hunters don’t care about nature, but loony
    activists who have never been outside of San Francisco or Portland do.

    10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
    doing something to earn it.

    11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money
    to make “The Passion of the Christ” for financial gain only.

    12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of
    the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts
    of the Constitution.

    13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

    14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
    important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, and A.G.
    Bell.

    15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
    quotas and set-asides are not.

    16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice
    person.

    17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn’t worked
    anywhere it’s been tried is because the right people haven’t been in charge.

    18. You have to believe c conservatives telling the truth belong in jail,
    but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.

    19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying transvestites in
    drag should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas
    should be illegal.

    20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese
    Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.

    21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right-wing
    conspiracy.

    22. You have to believe that it’s OK to give Federal workers the day off on
    Christmas Day but it’s not OK to say “Merry Christmas.”

  7. RD
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    HAVANA – An ailing, 81-year-old Fidel Castro resigned as Cuba’s president Tuesday after nearly a half-century in power, saying he will not accept a new term when parliament meets Sunday.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080219/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/fidel_castro

  8. Songbird
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Whew – I’ll tell ya, “American Way” –

    Not even you can dampen my, uh, mood today. I mean, I’m so happy about Adam Carolla’s imminent spin on the “Dancing” floor that not even your insipid, stereotypical rant about Democrats can touch me.

    I could behave in kind. I could point out all the anti-”American” ways the Republicans behave, but I’m in too good of a mood to do that. ‘Cause if I do that, I’ll get depressed. My dead, drunken father and his beer barrel buddies were all die-hard Republicans – and if that ain’t enough reason not to be one, I don’t know what is.

    Of course, there’s a whole lotta other reasons why I’m a Democrat. Beelzebooze has been dead nearly 36 years, so he doesn’t have much of an impact on his errant daughter.

    Ya oughta call off some of yer old, tired ethics, A.W. Take up a hobby, for gosh sakes! Hey, maybe you could learn ballroom dancin’ and give Adam & Co. a run for their money!

    ‘Cause Hollywood is full of godless Democrats. They need a font of wisdom like yew to set ‘em straight.

  9. RD
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Cute, American Way.

    Googling 22 Ways to be a Good Republican results in 412,000 reponses.

    And did you know that “your” (because it really isn’t yours but a forwarded email) 22 Ways originated in 2006? A bit late, but, hey, at least you’re recycling!

  10. lindainks55
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Great link, Steven. Thanks for sharing. I especially liked the sentiments under the header, “And goodbye to the ageism . . .” Soooo TRUE!

  11. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Oh but it was so fun posting them. I found my hobby!

  12. ghotiphaze
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    And I figured it just took you 2 years to figure out all the words.
    *ducks*

  13. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Just had two posts on another topic labelled “post awaiting moderation” or something like that. This is a test to see if it happens here…

  14. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Nope…didn’t happen here..just that one thread. How curious–didn’t use any ‘naughty words’…

  15. Ben
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Well AmWay, obviously I am NOT a good Democrat. At least not by YOUR bogus definition.

  16. littlejohn
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    “My dead, drunken father and his beer barrel buddies were all die-hard Republicans – and if that ain’t enough reason not to be one, I don’t know what is. ”

    In like kind—My dead, alcoholic grandfather and his useless to donothing buddies were all die-hard Democrats–and if that ain;’t reason not to be one, I don’t know what is.”

    See it works both ways. Stupid reason to be either Republican or Democrat.

  17. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Total agreement, Littlejohn! I see very little difference between either major party, and am amazed at the generalizations I see around here based on party affiliation.

    Seems like all the politicians are in it for themselves, regardless of party.

  18. lindainks55
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Tax, the words they think are unacceptable include the name of one of our states, the one abbreviated TX. I got that “waiting moderation” last week and needed to type s e x y with spaces so they couldn’t tell what it was.

  19. lindainks55
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Sorry, I meant Taz. Those two letters are close on the keyboard. More coffee.

  20. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Linda…was starting to get paranoid! But, it isn’t paranoia if they really ARE after me..!

    Thanks..

  21. JM
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    The Real Republican Platform
    REPUBLICAN/GOP POLITICAL PLATFORM 2008
    When you re-elect us, we Republicans will continue to implement the following platform:

    o We will take the gloves off large trans and multi-national corporations and allow them to run roughshod over you and the environment.
    o We will give these conglomerate businesses the ability to push down your wages as far as possible.
    o We will allow companies to eliminate your health benefits and pensions.
    o We will continue to expand the powers of the executive branch and render oversight by Congress irrelevant.
    o We will abolish unions to take away any voice and collective power you have as workers.
    o We will create a new class of people called the ‘working poor’ who work full time jobs but can’t afford basic living expenses.
    o While we’re lowering your standard of living, we will remove all of the public services and the safety net that you’ll need to survive.
    o We willl destroy competition and promote monopoly power, particularly in the media, energy, prison and military manufacturing industries.
    o We will allow, promote, create and support immense monopolies that crush small and medium sized businesses.
    o We will represent and implement the will of these massive monopolies no matter what the people say or want.
    o We will increase our stranglehold on national, state and local government and continue to make them more subservient to business.
    o We will penalize you if you are not married, and we will make it more difficult for you to form relationships that might lead to marriage.
    o We will make laws promoting the judeo-christian family unit and preventing all alternative or vicarious ways to channel your sexuality.
    o We will persecute people who are homosexual, those who do not adhere to the Christian religion and those who are not white.
    o We will force women to have unwanted children and make them work while their children are growing up alone.
    o We will force single pregnant women to bear unwanted children and give them up for adoption, and then drive them into the military.
    o We will ensure mass unemployment, start wars and send poor children off to these wars so that we can make more money.
    o We will expand the reach of law, the powers of law enforcement and allow government officers to operate in complete secrecy.
    o We will imprison you and your children longer and longer for petty offenses and we will torture you when we think it is needed.
    o If your skin is not white, we will tolerate you only as long as you work for very low wages and cower in front of us.
    o We will tax corporations and rich people less and give them much more in return for campaing donations.
    o We will tax the middle class more and give them much less in return whether they donate to campaigns or not.
    o We will do away with the constitution and the rights of individuals in favor of the rights of corporations.
    o We will make sure our seniors have to work to make ends meet and we will ensure that they will have little to no free health care available.
    o We will continue to cut services and funding for disabled or wounded war veterans and their families.
    o We will make sure that your child is educated only enough for menial work or entry into the armed forces.
    o We will use your tax money to put our children through private schools while your children get the worst education possible.
    o We will lie to you at every turn.
    o We will make all our decisions in secret. If you start sticking your nose in where it doesn’t belong, we will throw you in jail with no bail, charges or lawyer.
    o If you disagree with us, you are a traitor and will be ostracized, imprisoned and killed at our discretion.

    You are irrelevant, but we do like to play the game of getting you to vote for us.

  22. Smedley Butler
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    “Oh but it was so fun posting them. I found my hobby!”

    Now go find a life — plagarizing jerk

  23. Hank Price
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Hey Songbird!

    Too bad you don’t have cable! I think he was wonderful on the “Man Show”.

    Hopefully he won’t have two left feet and he’ll last past the first week!

  24. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    “plagarizing”

    Hey it works for Obama (and Hillary)

    It was an obvious post from something else. Check back on my posts historically. I use quotes and sources when required. Can’t quote email very well.

    JM: Say is that nic-switching still working for you
    who beat up another poster for same-same.

    Smedley Butler: Ditto

    Liberal trolls of the blog………

  25. JM
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    “JM: Say is that nic-switching still working for you
    who beat up another poster for same-same.

    Smedley Butler: Ditto

    Liberal trolls of the blog………”"”"

    nic switching I did not realize these nics had a copyright or trade mark should I check in with you and get permission before I post?

  26. Regular
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Dancing – Hollyfornia – Lists – trolls

    I’m fulfilled – I can carry on with life now.

  27. Regular
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    No JM, you need to check in with me for permission. :)

  28. JM
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    pro gun ownership????????

    NEWSMAX.COM – Anti-gun crusaders seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats.

    In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. “Guns are an abomination,” Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, “Free from fear of gun owners’ retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles.”

    It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of “assault weapons” in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for “sporting purposes.”

    It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, “prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one’s person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street.” The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

    Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. “I support the Brady Bill,” he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, “and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay.”

    One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly “safety” inspections.

    Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called “the nation’s strictest gun controls,” a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and “ballistic fingerprinting” of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned “assault weapons,” the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.

  29. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Hillary Clinton in Wisc said,
    “The economy is not working, ” she said. “What we really need in America is an economy that’s producing good jobs with rising wages for everybody willing to work hard. I’ve been focused on the economy throughout the campaign.”

    Does anyone know how she is going to actually do this?

  30. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    JM…excellent post–shows once again the lack of measureable difference between the two parties.

  31. The Phantom
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    The stacked SC refused to hear the case against bush’s illegal wiretapping. Our checks and balances have been severely comprimised.

  32. Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Amway,

    By raising taxes of course. Didn’t you catch the part where she said “willing to work hard” ? With out that, there wouldn’t be a tax base.

    So, work the middle class to death. Then hit them with a death tax. Give the fruits of their labor to those who don’t work. Of course more is never enough for them, so tax the corporations until they bankrupt or go overseas. Pretty simple.

  33. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Amway…maybe this is one of her “million ideas that nobody can afford”?

  34. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Sol,

    O.K., but I still don’t see how raising taxes will accomplish what she says:

    “an economy that’s producing good jobs with rising wages for everybody”

  35. Bumper Sticker
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Monica Lewinsky’s
    X-Boyfriends Wife
    for president

  36. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    “The economy is not working, ” she said. “What we really need in America is an economy that’s producing good jobs with rising wages for everybody willing to work hard. I’ve been focused on the economy throughout the campaign.”

    I don’t know how Hillary is planning on doing this, but in terms of the overall economy, we must let the tax breaks on the top tax bracket expire in 2010. Which will help. We also have to consider wasys for dealing with entitlement spending programs – Social Security and Medicare. On the latter we can “means-test” those entitlements (if you’re Bill Gates, you don’t need them).

    We could ease immigration blocks to encourage more workers coming into the system who will pay for a growing number of retirees. As it is now, with the boomers in the work force, Medicare and Social Security are receiving more money than what is needed to pay out benefits. Unfortunately, the government steals this money to cover deficits elsewhere – so they can avoid raising taxes – the taking of these funds needs to be discouraged in some way.

    I don’t have the figures available to me, but recall that science and technology accounts for the greatest amount of economic growth – investments in those areas would be be a good idea, it seems to me.

  37. Posted February 19, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    rising wages for everybody

    What the dems always seem to forget is that the above always equals higher prices. So in the end, you have accomplished nothing. But it sure felt good signing that bill didn’t it?

  38. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Both of which, of course, means additional education Steven Davis. Education at a higher level than it seems to me is being delivered right now in the K-12 years, regardless of whether the school is public or private.

    I asked the younger, after her high school graduation, why it was that many of her classmates were not intending to further their education in math, the sciences, engineering, even though they were in the Science Magnet program at NEMHS. Her response was that these were hard, and those friends, acquaintances, et al, didn’t want to work that hard. A sobering response, but as I look back on it over the nearly four years that have elapsed after that particular conversation, I’ve concluded there was much truth to her observation.

    While her classmates in that particular magnet program might have a higher degree of literacy in the sciences than others (which is of some benefit) it seems to me that someway, somehow, the notion that “it’s hard” and thus not worth pursuing needs to be done away with. Anyone with a solution?

  39. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    “So, work the middle class to death. Then hit them with a death tax.”

    Sol,
    I would submit that Middle class people are not effected by the so-called “death tax”.

    Repealing the estate tax could have negative impact upon the economy in terms of increasing deficit spending (something I am against).

    http://www.cbpp.org/6-8-06tax.htm

  40. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    In the spirit of full disclosure, she was one who didn’t pursue additional education in the math and sciences (other than that which was required to graduate). She opted for American Studies, which proved to be rigorous at Colby, but a different kind of rigor. All of which goes to show, I guess, that it all requires hard work.

  41. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of repeal of the estate tax, I ask the question of why should the heirs, devisees, legatees and beneficiaries of a decedent who worked hard and made it him/herself be anymore entitled to receive the benefits of the ancestor’s labor than any other person who didn’t work for it, other than the good fortune to be born into the right family. This is, BTW, one of the underlying reasons the Estate Tax came to be; to break up concentrations of wealth in a small number of families, so there wouldn’t be any “landed gentry”.

    The Estate Tax does not, as an absolute, produce all that much revenue to the government. I’m not in possession of any current data, but at one time some ten years ago or so, the costs of administering the law approached the gross revenues generated therefrom. From this perspective, then, perhaps the Estate Tax should go away. However, this does not address the “populist” basis for its existence.

  42. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Steven Davis, no disrespect intended, but I really don’t see how any of the items you listed will result in “an economy that’s producing good jobs with rising wages for everybody”.

    Those sound like great deficit reducing measures, and cuts of entitlements (SS/Medicare) for higher income citizens (who pay in dearly).

    Your last comment is probably one of the more likely to lead to what Hillary said.

    “science and technology accounts for the greatest amount of economic growth”

    But still the question of what Hillary specifically proposes to change, in law, to satisfy her statement.

  43. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    “Anyone with a solution?”

    Vaughn,

    Anyone who has a solution to that problem could become very wealthy. Agreed on the Education spending for science and technology.

    I think part of the issue is how the learning is structured. My kid is in the science emphasis at NEMH. In the engineering courses, they break into teams of three (usually) and solve various problems – reverse engineering, building bridges, programing problems, etc. My kid gets the most out of those kinds of processes. I don’t know if it is an idiosyncratic learning thing with him, but it is something he likes more. Robert Riesch wrote an anticle a few years ago that predicted the world of work would be one of temporary teams coming together to resolve some problems – once that was done, people would move on the other teams/problems, rather than having one corporate place to go to every day. If that turns out to be true, I hope that will bode well for my kid.

  44. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    This is from a Colorado newspaper, The Aspen Times

    “In election 2008, don’t forget Angry White Man

    Gary Hubbell

    There is a great amount of interest in this year’s presidential elections, as everybody seems to recognize that our next president has to be a lot better than George Bush. The Democrats are riding high with two groundbreaking candidates — a woman and an African-American — while the conservative Republicans are in a quandary about their party’s nod to a quasi-liberal maverick, John McCain.

    Each candidate is carefully pandering to a smorgasbord of special-interest groups, ranging from gay, lesbian and transgender people to children of illegal immigrants to working mothers to evangelical Christians.

    There is one group no one has recognized, and it is the group that will decide the election: the Angry White Man. The Angry White Man comes from all economic backgrounds, from dirt-poor to filthy rich. He represents all geographic areas in America, from urban sophisticate to rural redneck, deep South to mountain West, left Coast to Eastern Seaboard.

    His common traits are that he isn’t looking for anything from anyone — just the promise to be able to make his own way on a level playing field. In many cases, he is an independent businessman and employs several people. He pays more than his share of taxes and works hard.

    The victimhood syndrome buzzwords — “disenfranchised,” “marginalized” and “voiceless” — don’t resonate with him. “Press ‘one’ for English” is a curse-word to him. He’s used to picking up the tab, whether it’s the company Christmas party, three sets of braces, three college educations or a beautiful wedding.

    He believes the Constitution is to be interpreted literally, not as a “living document” open to the whims and vagaries of a panel of judges who have never worked an honest day in their lives.

    The Angry White Man owns firearms, and he’s willing to pick up a gun to defend his home and his country. He is willing to lay down his life to defend the freedom and safety of others, and the thought of killing someone who needs killing really doesn’t bother him.

    The Angry White Man is not a metrosexual, a homosexual or a victim. Nobody like him drowned in Hurricane Katrina — he got his people together and got the hell out, then went back in to rescue those too helpless and stupid to help themselves, often as a police officer, a National Guard soldier or a volunteer firefighter.

    His last name and religion don’t matter. His background might be Italian, English, Polish, German, Slavic, Irish, or Russian, and he might have Cherokee, Mexican, or Puerto Rican mixed in, but he considers himself a white American.

    He’s a man’s man, the kind of guy who likes to play poker, watch football, hunt white-tailed deer, call turkeys, play golf, spend a few bucks at a strip club once in a blue moon, change his own oil and build things. He coaches baseball, soccer and football teams and doesn’t ask for a penny. He’s the kind of guy who can put an addition on his house with a couple of friends, drill an oil well, weld a new bumper for his truck, design a factory and publish books. He can fill a train with 100,000 tons of coal and get it to the power plant on time so that you keep the lights on and never know what it took to flip that light switch.

    Women either love him or hate him, but they know he’s a man, not a dishrag. If they’re looking for someone to walk all over, they’ve got the wrong guy. He stands up straight, opens doors for women and says “Yes, sir” and “No, ma’am.”

    He might be a Republican and he might be a Democrat; he might be a Libertarian or a Green. He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner.

    He’s not a racist, but he is annoyed and disappointed when people of certain backgrounds exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their race. He’s willing to give everybody a fair chance if they work hard, play by the rules and learn English.

    Most important, the Angry White Man is pissed off. When his job site becomes flooded with illegal workers who don’t pay taxes and his wages drop like a stone, he gets righteously angry. When his job gets shipped overseas, and he has to speak to some incomprehensible idiot in India for tech support, he simmers. When Al Sharpton comes on TV, leading some rally for reparations for slavery or some such nonsense, he bites his tongue and he remembers. When a child gets charged with carrying a concealed weapon for mistakenly bringing a penknife to school, he takes note of who the local idiots are in education and law enforcement.

    He also votes, and the Angry White Man loathes Hillary Clinton. Her voice reminds him of a shovel scraping a rock. He recoils at the mere sight of her on television. Her very image disgusts him, and he cannot fathom why anyone would want her as their leader. It’s not that she is a woman. It’s that she is who she is. It’s the liberal victim groups she panders to, the “poor me” attitude that she represents, her inability to give a straight answer to an honest question, his tax dollars that she wants to give to people who refuse to do anything for themselves.

    There are many millions of Angry White Men. Four million Angry White Men are members of the National Rifle Association, and all of them will vote against Hillary Clinton, just as the great majority of them voted for George Bush.

    He hopes that she will be the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, and he will make sure that she gets beaten like a drum.”

  45. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    “But still the question of what Hillary specifically proposes to change, in law, to satisfy her statement.”

    As I said, I don’t know what her specific plans are. Sounds like a good question for the upcoming debate.

    And as I also said, my vote would be on supporting science and technology – where the greatest return can be realized. We used to have the money to fund the very best, but if we don’t deal with our economic problmes, we won’t much longer.

  46. Max
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Vaughn your 1:01 post is exactly what I have observed.

    Many people simply don’t want to work hard, or even to work at all. And if the Government enables them NOT to work, then why should those who are not motivated to be self-reliant bother to work?

    Free Socialist programs is what they want. And there’s always a Politician ready to promise Something for Nothing in order to buy a vote. (Bought with taxpayer dollars of course.)

    The problem with the Socialist shell-game experiment is that Somebody still has to work. And Socialist economies always break down when there simply are not enough people willing to work.

  47. Max
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    I’ve wondered what would happen if 10% of the workforce, people in all areas of the economy, simply took 6 months off work.

    Would the government hold a gun to our heads and actually force us to work, in order to support the millions who are already not working today?

  48. Regular
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    “Anyone with a solution?”

    Carrots and sticks…

    Give those on a path towards the sciences and mathematics studies in High School, additional points for consideration in Academic Scholarships offered from Public and Private sources.

    Let’s say a General Studies High School graduate applies for a scholarship, she/he would get 100 points as it applies to scholarships.

    The Science or Mathematics studies graduate would get 200 points in consideration for scholarships.

    Make it a policy for the University and encourage scholarship benefactors to participate and I’m sure this “carrot and stick” approach ’should’ work.

    Could even make it level related. 100 point award would receive a maximum $5,000 scholarship and a 200 point award would be unlimited in dollar amount, but a minimum of $10,000 or at least a proportional amount (i.e. 2 to 1 scholarship amount in dollars – 1000 dollars versus 2000 dollars, etc.)

  49. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    What’s interesting, Regular, is that there exists some “carrot and stick” stuff as you propose now. It doesn’t seem to work. There are a number of scholarship programs out there to attract more students to the math, science and engineering fields. Some are directed to “under represented” groups, to be sure, but not all. The ultimate carrot is the potential for a job which pays well upon graduation, of course. These seem to exist as well, but again, the potential reward doesn’t seem to attract much interest. There are some who are interested, and who benefit as a result. However, for whatever reason, the benefits just don’t seem to do it for a large number of the students.

    I like your ideas, though; too bad you weren’t in charge when the elder was in the system, she would have made out like a bandit. :-)

  50. Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Just keep cutting taxes, keep running up the deficits, keep running up the National Debt.

    Simple math tells you that sooner or later, we will no longer be in a position to BORROW to pay for tax cuts.

    Then we will be faced with MASSIVE tax increases or bankruptcy.

    The math is there – currently the interest alone on the National Debt is 35%.

    As that number creeps steadily higher, it will hit a point where the interest payments will exceed our ability to pay.

    Trickle down – piss on you – economics have never worked. No advocate of supply side economics has ever even proposed a balanced budget.

    Sooner or later, by design or by force, we will have to become fiscally responsible.

  51. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Can solve some of that deficit you are concerned about right now:

    Stop the unearned EIC. Savings 44 billion (1 yr)
    Stop the African AIDS program. Savings 30 billion (over five years)

    Handout economics just don’t work.

    If you are going to increase the tax bite at one end to pay for America, then all Americans should help pay. Otherwise, those at the receiving end, will just want more, and produce less.

    Simple math tells me – we already are bankrupt.
    Most people just don’t know it yet.

  52. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    I wanted to say “Trickle UP”, but that won’t work. It appears to me the bottom is basically already ‘pi–ing on the hand that feeds them.

  53. Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm . . . nic-switching AmWay reposts the same thing he posted the other day as “Boxlock.”

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/obama-mccain-look-to-the-general-election/#comment-293855

  54. Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    BTW, AmWay-Republican–

    Why do you even own a car?

    Would the tags and insurance be better spent on something that you actually use?

    Damn thing’s going to be 20 years old with 3,000 miles on it . . .

  55. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Capt (sigh), I am not Boxlock either. Your highly intelligent mind and superior investigative work are wrong once again.

    Anyone who suspects someone of NICSWITCHING, posting inappropriate posts, or using other posters NIC’s can email the editor and the WEBLOG will take care of the problem.

  56. Posted February 19, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    You notice that AmWay-Regular-Boxlock has no problem with this line:

    He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner.

    Breathtakingly sexist.

    Take note you majority of Americans who lack a Y chromosome, if you want “barefoot and pregnant,” the CONs are your friends.

  57. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    AmWay–

    You ignorant slut.

    The editors have no way of knowing who’s nic-switching.

    Without registration and passwords, nothing is certain about anyone.

  58. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    all posters: Sorry I posted something someone else posted. I considered just providing the link, but thought it was an interesting take on a segment of the voting population. We will see if it is true.

    I should have just posted the link.

    BTW, if I had MY druthers, OBAMA would be the democrats candidate. I don’t care of Hillary will be easier to beat (as some republicans think). All I care is that she is eliminated BEFORE the election. My prior posts will confirm this (repeatedly). Boxlock, I believe, does not support Obama.

  59. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    The editors DO remove posts, they DO block inappropriate posters, and they can confirm American Way is not the other posters who claim to expose them to be (as if that means something).

    Capn: Who is posting inappropriately today and attacking other posters, using vulgar language, and basically just following other posters around.
    You are not the blog police, and certainly are causing more interruption hereon than any other poster.

    I know you are attracted to me, but if I am nic-switching (which I am NOT), why don’t you just skip over my posts?

    You don’t have to read them.

  60. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    AmWay, it is McCreepy that has a fascination with the Capn’s scrotum, so your comment about attraction is ridiculous.

    Why aren’t you calling McCluer out on his obsession?

  61. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    WS, I don’t want to “call out” anyone on anything.
    I just want to post opinions like everyone else, without being harrassed and followed around.

    This junk is wasted space. I need to count to ten and ignore him.

  62. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    “I know you are attracted to me.”

    Right, that’s what JM-Regular always says when he gets trapped in a lie.

    Also, the WEB bully who falls back to bullied victim whenever he’s confronted also has a familiar ring to it too.

    Your efforts to refute your nic-switching in fact only further confirm it.

  63. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    But I don’t blame you for switching nics.

    You’ve already destroyed any credibility you might at on time have been given.

    Also, the reality of your living situation greatly belies the grandious fantasy you try to dazzle WEB readers with . . .

  64. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    DAYS OF CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

    Sent this to me said: “Here is a video dating back to the days of the Democratic Clinton Administration.”

    Please Click below. You’ll be amazed, even a little bit entertained,by what you see and hear.

    http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

  65. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Right, Regular also has some basic knowledge of HTML codes and knows how to embed video link images into WEBlog text, as the above shows.

    Give the man time. He always outs himself.

  66. Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFowNFvmUxw

  67. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica I feel very sorry for you.

  68. Posted February 19, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Dude, don’t pity me.

    I’m living the American dream.

    I actually drive my car.

  69. mrcontroversy
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    OK Amway:
    1. I support capital punishment for henious crimes or the murder of a law enforcement officer; being a Wichitan, my position on abortion is unequivocal: I’m for whichever side isn’t screaming in my ear at the moment.
    2. Look at the bunch of 2-year-olds on sugar highs that are running Wall Street these days.
    3. While I will never own a gun for personal reasons, I will fight to the death for the Second Ammendment rights of those responsible individuals who choose to do so.
    4. National Endowment of the Arts funding has been too short-sighted for the last 30 years (i.e., its refusal to fund the late Tony Randall’s proposal for a national theatre);
    5. I’ve always said I’d like to take Al Gore for a ride from Wichita to Hutch on a 96 degree day and see if that changes his mind about air conditioning :)
    6. In the immortal words of Popeye, “I yam what I yam”.
    7. In other countries, yes.
    8. After all the pregnant, unwed teenagers I’ve worked with in the last 20 years, I’m willing to give it a whack.
    9. A typical, right-wing ad hominem fallacy :)
    10. See (8) above.
    11. I dunno… but we cleared about $3 grand on local advertising during the network special on “the making of the Passion of the Christ”. Think you can talk him into a sequel?
    12. I support both the NRA and the ACLU. What does that make me?
    13. To paraphrase Robin Williams, taxes are God’s way of saying you have too much money.
    14. If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you 10 thousand times, stop exaggerating.
    15. Just as I wouldn’t have sex in a busy intersection, there’s a time and place for everything.
    16. I’ve talked on and off with Senator Clinton for 15 years. How long have YOU known her?
    17. Well, capitalism isn’t working in this country because the right people aren’t in charge…
    18. If you want to call subverting the Constitution and slouching headlong into dictatorship “telling the truth”, then, yes.
    19. As long as other religions have a right to their displays, I’m okay with manger scenes at Christmas. Festivus for the rest of us!
    20. Well, savings and loan funding seemed to work for McCain…
    21. As Ben likes to say, “never blame on conspiracy that which can be rightfully attributed to incompetence”.
    22. Only if I’m speaking to Bill O’Liery.

  70. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Hey Capn…using your “logic” and “reason”, I can absolutely “prove” that you are a pedophile.

    It is quite simple, actually. I take totally unrelated observations, relate them, and draw a conclusion. for example:

    Pedophiles are usually male. Capn is male.

    Pedophiles are awake during the day. Capn is awake during the day.

    Pedophiles sometimes use the computer. Capn uses the computer.

    Pedophiles have been known to use the word AND. Capn has used that exact same word here.

    There we go. Absolute “proof”. Now, all I have to do is repeat it dozens of times, and get my followers to repeat it as well. Every time you say something–whether factual or not, I can just dismiss it since you are obviously a pedophile.

    If you disagree, I can paraphrase Shakespeare and state: “Methinks he doth protest too much” which proves you are guilty.

    If you don’t disagree, your silence is acqueiscence.

    Isn’t “logic” beautiful? Too bad it is completely wrong..just like your “logic” of assuming everyone that dares to have a different opinion from your holy view is the same person.

    Regardless how many times you repeat your untrue claim..it just ain’t gonna make it true.

  71. Posted February 19, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Taz–

    You better hope that we never meet in person.

  72. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Oh noooo…a threat. Hey…I was just taking your example of relating unrelated events and drawing an incorrect conclusion from them.

    Can’t take it when your own “reasoning” is thrown back at you? Threaten away.

  73. fleetwood
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    taz-
    Don’t worry. You’re not a young boy. If you do meet, he won’t be interested!

  74. Regular
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I see that CraponAmerica is once again furthering relations for the Leftist Liberal cause. :D

  75. Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Jeez, and look what the Right Wing CONservative cause has gotten us………….

    More debt.

    More deficits.

    More division within the country.

    More wars.

    A HUGE pile of debt to deal with and no end in sight to drag ourselves out of the hole dug by the Republics.

    The worst image ever for Americans across the world.

    No problems solved, just more problems caused.

    A huge pile of shit for Americans to dig out from under.

    Yeah, shame on the liberals.

    Hey, but our taxes are low!!!!!!!!

    So what if we are going to go bankrupt tomorrow?!?!?!

    Hey, but our taxes are low!!!!!!!!

    Hey, but our taxes are low!!!!!!!!

    Hey, but our taxes are low!!!!!!!!

  76. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/316203.html

    Orman abruptly drops out of the race for Senate. Does Sen. Roberts win “unopposed”?

  77. parkay
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    A rented yellow Penske truck pulled up to Tiller’s late-term Wichita abortion mill Monday, with license plate illegally removed, to secretly haul away several boxes full of documents. The abortion mill was not open to receive more victims at the time.
    Tampering with criminal evidence is a crime.
    - – -

    Planned Parenthood’s new Houston abortion mill would be the nation’s largest abortion mill, with an entire floor out of 6 stories for late-term and post-viable infanticides. Sterling Bank sold the building to Planned Parenthood, which plans now to open the largest abortion mill in the Western Hemisphere in the fall of 2008.
    If Texas enforces abortion laws and inspections, the huge new abortion mill would quickly be shut down.
    Cut off all taxpayer funding to Planned Parenthood.

  78. Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Interesting, VT.

    I heard this guy speak and he was first-rate.

    The ‘Pukes must have gotten to him somehow . . .

  79. Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    And BTW, I heard that another Dem was going to contest Orman in the primary, so let’s hope that works out.

    We gotta get Ol’ Rubberstamp outta there . . .

  80. littlejohn
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    “I heard this guy speak and he was first-rate.

    The ‘Pukes must have gotten to him somehow . . .”

    Sounds a little paranoid. More likely he had some sort of skeleton in his closet that he didn;t want exposed.

  81. Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Ummmm Taz you already used this the other day on somebody else… Got any new material??

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/open-thread-219/#comment-297287

  82. Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    little john says >>>>

    “Sounds a little paranoid. More likely he had some sort of skeleton in his closet that he didn;t want exposed.”

    THAT sounds like a hair shade of unfounded speculation, L J… dont you think??

  83. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    LJ, I think you are correct. When someone abruptly pulls out with little or no explanation, there is usually a skeleton that rattled loudly enough to be noticed. It could be anything from a “nanny problem” with social security taxes, etc. to something more sinister. With his occupation and income, ya gotta wonder if it isnt a financial impropriety.

    Or maybe, his “supporters” didnt want another Paul Morrison moment.

    And sol? This isnt necessarily true.

    “What the dems always seem to forget is that the above always equals higher prices.”

    If productivity keeps up with or outpaces wage increases, prices will not always go up. But at this point, it is going to take more technolgy break throughs to get another big jump in productivity.

    And Steven, you are correct. More workers, with better training and education, will be the answer. Jobs create jobs. Productivity creates jobs. Investments create jobs. We could actually create tax incentives for investments, not just income.

    And the death tax affects no one but the idle rich. Give folks with money incentives to invest in real businesses, not just moving around money in a hedge fund.

    And if you dont like the idea of more legal immigrant workers, I suggest all you hets start making babies right away. hehehehheheheheheheheheh.

  84. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    “If productivity keeps up with or outpaces wage increases, prices will not always go up. But at this point, it is going to take more technolgy break throughs to get another big jump in productivity.” Yep, kfg, I think you’ve nailed it.

    Here’s a thought, totally unoriginal, on that as well as the bigger problem. At the present time, the cost of achieving the technology break through to achieve another big jump in productivity is likely higher than the realized cost of employment of the illegals, where applicable, and of legal aliens and citizens otherwise. Unless and until the realized cost of such employment of illegal aliens, whether through better enforcement, higher penalties, etc. becomes higher, there is little to no incentive to acquire any new technology, or to employ legal aliens and citizens, and thus the employer is, all in all, better off with the illegal work force, as it appears to me.

  85. Phantom
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Especially when you facto in the cost benefit of exporting manufacturing. This I think may tilt the scale in favor of going technologically backwards. As the cost of human capital is an offset.

  86. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Nope, Chas…I am equal opportunity. I just get so tired of the adolescent “troll” attacks and wanted to share the comparison. Besides…both the people I addressed it to have used the exact same “logic” to “prove” their false statements.

    Besides…it bears repeating. How many hundreds of times has that false accusation been made? I can repeat my charges just as often–and with just as much “proof”.

  87. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Here’s an interesting site for water news.

    ” Advertisements [?]Today we proudly launch Getting serious with Waterblogged.info: Water Privatization a page of web resources related to the question of whether small groups of people should be permitted to own and control the elixir of life and disseminate it to the rest of the globe for their personal gain. Obviously, we don’t think so, but we feel compelled — like the wimpy-assed, fair-minded liberals we are — to present resources supporting both sides of the argument.

    Below are more links to water privatization resources than you can shake a water-divining rod at. This will be regularly updated. No, really, it will.

    Water Privatization – Fact Pack

    A “fact pack” from the State Environmental Resource Center (meaning a resource for all states) is a good a place to start as any to get basic information about the history of and prospects for water privatization in the U.S. (It hasn’t been updated since 2004, but most of the info is still useful.)

    Pacific Institute: Topics – Water Privatization

    Pacific Institute: Topics – Water Privatization California-based think tank provides timely and common-sense analysis. Typical of their approach, they take a middle-of-the-road, grant-funding-agency-friendly approach to privatization.

    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/77335 /
    http://waterblogged.info /

  88. Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps Taz — But the accusations cannot be disproven either… by use of the same logic you use to prove them wrong… Think about that, eh??

  89. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Not a worry, Chas. It was meant solely as an exercise to demonstrate how ridiculous the constant claims of “trolling” are. They refuse to listen to any reason, use outlandish claims to “prove” their lies, and repeat it endlessly–with absolutely no foundation whatsoever.

    It comes in handy…rather than refute any logic or reason, they claim “troll” and dismiss the opinion presented. It is lazy, it is juvenile, and it is without any basis in fact.

  90. writerdog
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Something that seems to be overlooked, are we over run with Terrorists? Is there a concern of an Insurgence in the U.S.? Otherwise why would the Government need to be able to have an all encompassing power to eavesdrop on all phone calls, e-mails and web sites visited within the U.S. without a warrant? Its own Government suspended Habeas Corpus with the first Patriot act within the U.S. and now the demand to be able to spy on Americans. It begs the Question, just whom do they see as their enemy? Good men may do bad things in the heat of the moment. But has not that moment passed? “Those willing to sacrifice a little liberty for a little security. Deserve neither liberty nor security” Someone said that once, he knew the price of freedom and the downfall of a ruler having an all-encompassing power. And he was facing the most powerful ruler in the world at that time. Not a small and loosely affiliated terrorist organization based thousands of miles away.

  91. Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Just for a Blog reminder >>>>

    “An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.”
    {Wikipedia}

  92. Posted February 19, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    DNFTT’s

  93. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Interesting definition. However, the use of the term troll has been applied differently here. It has been used in connection with false accusations of one person using mulitiple nics.

    It has been used repeatedly as a charge to attempt to discredit people. It has been used in a derogatory and insulting manner when there has been no reason for it whatsoever.

    Then again..I am looking for reason..and there are people here who have admitted that they HATE others based solely on their political opinion. So, I suppose I shouldn’t look for reason, adult conversation or logic, should I?

    After all, I do believe the “I hate you” line is much more appropriate in 2nd grade.

  94. Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    If a poster is, in fact, a troll by the definition, then, I suppose that an attack on such a troll would be intended to discredit the troll poster… :roll:

  95. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    That could be appropriate, based on the definition. And, by using that definition, someone who posts something like “You better hope that we never meet in person” would be a troll, correct?

  96. Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Wow, Taz is still on!

    I have driven home from work, checked the mail, called to check a payment, took the dog for a walk, cooked and ate dinner, and Taz is still here.

    I don’t know anybody who logs those kind of hours on-line . . . except for JM-Regular, who also swore up and down that he never switched nics and anyone who thought that he previously was JM was a liar and that we only ragged him about switching nics because we couldn’t handle the power of his arguments.

    He said that right up until someone outed his RL identity and he had a sh!t hemorrage.

    How’s the Appleton Reserve and the three computers and the leather chair, Taz-AmWay-JM-Reg?

    Or was it the one computer and the three leather chairs . . .

  97. Pedant
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Interesting idea, the one that immigration trends are changing America’s historically high capital/labor ratio. I guess it’s news to me, the idea that so much cheap available illegal labor means steals incentive to invent new kinds of productivity tools. Anybody remember how often you used to hear about “good old American know-how?” I never hear that phrase these days, not for years.

    One more idea for moving talent into science: get business schools out of universities. A lot of US math talent is wasted in finance and financial economics these days. By “wasted” I mean that they’re underemployed — big time. As ksfarmgrrl pointed out above, a few less hedge funds in the US very likely means more productive uses for financial as well as human (brain) capital, and I doubt seriously that financial risk(s) would increase much as a result.

    It might also help if we Americans could agree on an end to the culture wars. An end to the nightmare would likely mean that science would once again get back to science and that religion could get back to religion. The wacky bases of both parties could each give a just a little (examples are: Dems agree to kill the DoEd, support the 2nd amendment, and to charter schools; the Reps agree to pare back the DoD and to drop the think-tank wars being waged both on science and on the social contract. Both sides could agree that illegal immigration needs to stop, too.).

    Right now the culture wars are a huge friggin drain on the available pool of domestic talent. And biz schools unfortunately convert our domestic science talent away from becoming future gatekeepers of the middle class to becoming future plutocrats who are utterly unconnected to, and thus blithely oblivious of, the middle class.

  98. Taz
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Pardon the living hell outta me, MISTER Capn..I didn’t realize I needed your permission or was restricted to certain hours.

    Now you are using tmie online as more of your false ‘proof’?

    Do not feed the pedophiles.

  99. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    “why would the Government need to be able to have an all encompassing power to eavesdrop on all phone calls, e-mails and web sites visited within the U.S. without a warrant?”

    That’s the question that should be asked. But not just of the president, but of the congress which allowed those powers the first time and extensions thereof.

    Hope we get these powers reduced before Hillary gets in the driver seat. She has already revealed, even as an unelected representative living in the white house – her power to take 500 confidential FBI files for her personal review.

  100. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Taz-AmWay-JM-Reg?
    AmWay-Regular-Boxlock

    Damn Capn, can’t you make up your mind?

  101. Posted February 19, 2008 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Taz says >>>>

    “And, by using that definition, someone who posts something like “You better hope that we never meet in person” would be a troll, correct?”

    I dont see how, Taz, since that is a direct response to another poster’s statement…

  102. American Way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    “Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign intends to go after delegates whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she needs them to win the nomination.This strategy was confirmed to me by a high-ranking Clinton official on Monday.”
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html

    It’s confirmed. Hillary plans to win this election any way she can. Including stealing it.

    Some of us told you so, but you don’t want to believe it. If you are one of the majority in Kansas, or anywhere, that voted for Obama, don’t wait on this one. Tell the DNC how you feel now,
    before it is too late.

  103. Ken
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    I was wondering why we (the US) is going to shoot the satellite out of the sky with a Navy launched missile — adding more spacer debris etc…..

    Seems logical that they would attempt a shot or two with the lasers they’ve been experimenting with, and had some small successes with in the missile defense program — less costly it would seem —- last I heard was the missile shot was going to cost 40 million —- would seem probability of success with a laser against a satellite with a known trajectory would have a good chance of succeeding —

  104. writerdog
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    AW yes and no, see many of the powers that President Bush is claiming is given to the President in a time of war. The problem is that in reality the country is not at war, see a authorization for the use of Force though an act of war. It is not a Declaration of war, only Congress can issue the articles of war. And they have not done that against anyone since WWII. There for Bush or any following President does not have the power that Bush is using to justify the Suspension of Hubris Corpus or the ignoring the Fourth and fifth amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Now some of the powers that are left would be questionable and will have to be ruled on by SCOTUS as to their lawfulness.

    An interesting turn is that recently the SCOTUS has refused to hear the ACLU case on behalf of the American people in the illegal wire tapping. It seems they say that because it is secret wire tapping and the Government though they admit that they have been illegally wire tapping Americans. Will not name whom they have been wire tapping, so no one person can claim to have been wire tapped and the ACLU than has no one person they are standing for.

    Its like I admit to having killed someone and there is evidence I have killed someone. But because I refuse to say whom I have killed I can not be charged!

  105. Boxlock
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    “WASHINGTON – Barack Obama cruised past a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Wisconsin primary Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in a Democratic presidential race for the ages. It was Obama’s ninth straight victory over the past three weeks, and left the former first lady in desperate need of a comeback in a race she long commanded as front-runner.”

    American Way,
    She’s going to have to out and out steal it from Obama, and I hope she tries. That could turn the Dems Convention into another Friday Night Fights…no more like All Star Wrestling, except with less class.

  106. Hope Springs Eternal
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    President Lincoln once stripped American of rights under the constitution. He believed so strongly in the union, that he gave up those rights, to preserve the union.

    And yet, he is on the copper penny. We used to celebrate his birthday and that of only one other president in February.

    President Lincoln disregarded the constitution, yet is remembered as one of our greatest of presidents.

  107. American way
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock,

    Absolutely correct. The Clintons are used to stealing and telling lies to reach their ends. Under oath, on national television, it does not matter to them that their BLOWJOB lie was heard by children across this nation. That Bill abused women is conveniently forgotten. The ends justify the means.

    PS: I hesitate to post to you as Capn American has decided I am you and you are me. (sigh)

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/open-thread-219/#comment-297229

  108. Boxlock
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica and Chas have some pretty severe emotional problems, who cares what one or both think.
    It’s a sign of extreme paranoia that Capn thinks half a dozen people are all the same person using different nics and are ganging up on him. He can’t seem to understand the majority here think there is something seriously unbalanced going on with him.
    Hey, Capn, now you’ve got the same person using one nic talking to themselves using another nic….all about you.

  109. .
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Attention!!

    There will be a caucus of the Blog Trolls at the QT at Broadway & Murdock, at 1 a.m., at the phone banks, under the light of the Full Moon. If you are unable to be there, send one of your other nics. There are only a couple of phones at that location. It shouldnt be that hard to find each other. In case of emergency, there are always plenty of LEO’s hanging out there. They should be able to help you find yourself, and help you distinguish you from your troll nics.

    Thank you. You may now return to your previous scamming of Blog space. And have a wonderful evening!

  110. .
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and Chas? Good night, etc, etc.

  111. Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Amazing how they all retreat to the Troll Holes, and thank you Blanc.

    Good night; Good luck;
    And God bless; whatever you
    Conceive God to be!

    Blessings all!!

    Lord, lead us not
    Into Temptation;

    But deliver us from
    Those who think they’re You!

  112. Max
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Oh, the Agnostic prayer from a Christian pastor again.

    Funny.

    Ha.

  113. Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Max, you find something NON Christian about those lines??

  114. Max
    Posted February 19, 2008 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Mocking the Word of God is not very Christian Chas.

  115. Posted February 20, 2008 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    “It’s confirmed. Hillary plans to win this election any way she can. Including stealing it.”

    Why should that bother you, AmWay?

    Bush’s pals stopped the recount in Florida in violation of state law there.

    In 2004, the exit polls in battle ground states showed bizarre swings of 4 to 6 percent in favor of Bush, when the statistical margin of error is less than 1 percent. In non-battle ground states, the exit polls were dead on.

    Minorities waited 2 hours, 6 hours, 12 hours in the rain in Ohio, while in Repuke districts, people had plenty of machines and there was no waiting.

    If you’re sincerely concerned about “stealing elections,” you need look no further than Bush’s last two so-called wins . . .

  116. Posted February 20, 2008 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Diebold is the leading maker of ATM machines, which provide paper receipts and are completely accessible for audits.

    The voting machines it makes however provide no paper machines and are not auditable.

    Now . . . why would anyone make a machine that cannot be independently verified?

  117. Posted February 20, 2008 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    What mockery?? For you to attack me, and ordained minister of that Word… Now, THAT might be mockery!! Sure is a lack of respect, even if we dont have the same beliefs…

  118. Posted February 20, 2008 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    BTW, Max, I didnt post anything that is even close to a mockery of the Word of God!! You got a lot of learning to do, Max… Much of it has to do with your own ego!!

    Nite all!!

    And God bless; etc.

  119. Posted February 20, 2008 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Final thought, Max:

    Lord deliver us from evil (from those who think they’re You)

    GET IT???

  120. writerdog
    Posted February 20, 2008 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    Hope Springs I think you are trying for a funny, else you failed history class. Lincoln who was President when Americans were fighting Americans, in the same country and it was call a Civil war. Are you saying we are in the middle of a Civil war? If you are serious then I believe you must have been in the same class as those Neocons who point to the aftermath of WWII as justification for Spreading Democracy. We brought it to Germany and Japan after the war and look how that worked out! They totally ignore the fact that both were defeated after waging war on Us! Apples and Oranges are both fruit but that is the only valid comparison.