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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Prayer of the Evangelical Agnostics, by Susan Werner, on the album, “The Gospel Truth” –
Thy Kingdom Come,
in every nation;
Thy Will be done,
In everything we do;
Lord lead us not
Into temptation;
But deliver us
From those
Who think they’re You!
– Susan Werner –
Clinton’s not so radical past
By Robert Farley
Published on Friday, February 15th, 2008 at 06:04 p.m.
SUMMARY: A chain e-mail says Clinton sympathized with the Black Panthers and interned for a law firm run by a Communist. The source? An article by Clinton advisor-turned-foe Dick Morris.
The latest anti-Hillary Clinton chain e-mail making the rounds comes not from an anonymous voice in the blogosphere but from a former political consultant who once helped guide the Clintons’ political life in Arkansas and the White House.
Although it’s not clear who created the e-mail, the allegations it carries are based on an article by famed strategist Dick Morris. The one-time Clinton ally paints an embellished picture of Hillary Rodham as a student radical who interned for a law firm headed by a Communist and worked tirelessly to help Black Panthers on trial for murder.
Anonymous e-mail attacks have been popular in this year’s presidential campaign, particularly in the Democratic contest where both leading candidates have been subjected to viral assaults. But this one is unique because it cites a well-known source: Morris.
You may remember him as the campaign manager for Bill Clinton’s 1996 re-election campaign, the one who stepped down in disgrace when it was revealed that he allowed a prostitute to listen in on conversations with the president. She said Morris had a thing for toe sucking.
Morris’ relationship with the Clintons quickly soured. Now, he’s a political commentator for Fox News and a nationally syndicated columnist with a Web site, DickMorris.com. Clinton-bashing is his passion.
On Aug. 9, 2007, Morris wrote an article for FrontPageMag.com, a conservative Internet journal, where he restates two points he made about Hillary Clinton in a book he wrote years before. The first was about her alleged sympathy for the Black Panthers and the other referenced her internship with a law firm run by a Communist.
We’ll start with the Black Panthers. Here’s what the e-mail, taken directly from Morris’ article, says: “Hillary’s main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a federal agent. She went to court every day as part of a law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.”
Here’s the history.
In 1970, eight Black Panthers, including its national chairman Bobby Seale, were brought to trial in New Haven, Conn., on charges of murdering a fellow member, Alex Rackley, who was suspected of being a police informant. He was not a federal agent.
The trial consumed the Yale campus, and many Yale students rallied in support of the black defendants, or at least for their right to a fair trial. Consider this statement from Yale President Kingman Brewster: “I personally want to say that I am appalled that things have come to such a pass that I am skeptical of the ability of black revolutionaries to achieve a fair trial anywhere in the U.S.”
Clinton, a Yale Law School student a the time, played a “minor” role in the doings that year, said Paul Bass, a journalist who spent years researching the Black Panther case for a book he co-authored called “Murder in the Model City.” She co-chaired a committee whose main role was to prevent violence at a May Day demonstration, he said.
Clinton’s committee also offered legal advice to demonstrators who got arrested and to monitor the trial for civil rights abuses, Bass said.
But if that civil-rights monitoring ever happened, said two sources interviewed by the St. Petersburg Times, one thing is certain: Clinton was not an every-day trial watcher, as Morris claims. Nor did she “help” the defense.
“I can’t say she was never in court,” said David Rosen, a junior member of the defense team for Seale. “But she was not there every day. In fact, I don’t even remember seeing her there at all. I know she didn’t do any work for the defense team.”
According to Carl Bernstein’s biography “A Woman in Charge,” Clinton was among the student-observers from a civil liberties class who attended the trial daily “to report possible abuses by the government, discuss them in class, write papers about them and prepare summaries for the American Civil Liberties Union.”
That last part is news to Mike Avery, who was hired by the ACLU as a staff lawyer to keep tabs on the Black Panther case.
“I didn’t see Hillary Rodham anywhere around the place, and I would have known,” said Avery, now a law professor at Suffolk Law School.
People involved in the case all knew each other and socialized together, he said. “She was not in that crowd,” he said, “by no stretch of the imagination.”
Clinton’s campaign did not respond Times inquiries.
Another Morris charge sent by chain e-mail said: “Hillary interned with Bob Treuhaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.”
In 1971, Clinton did spend a summer interning as a law clerk for Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein.
And senior partner Treuhaft had once been active in the American Communist Party, though he was not “head of the California Communist Party” as Morris claimed in his article. Investigated and harassed by McCarthyites in 1950s, Treuhaft was listed by the House Un-American Activities Committee as one of the most dangerously subversive lawyers in the country, according to his 2001 obituary in the Times of London. But he became disillusioned with the party and left it in 1958, before Clinton started her internship with the firm.
In her autobiography, Clinton makes only passing reference to her responsibilities at the firm, which she called “a small law firm in Oakland, California.” She wrote, “I spent most of my time working for Mal Burnstein researching, writing legal motions and briefs for a child custody case.”
Burnstein, who was never a communist, is retired now. Reached at his home in California, Burnstein recalled that Clinton was one of the firm’s better summer interns: smart and a hard worker.
“She wasn’t political at all, that I remember,” Burnstein said. “The only politics that were discernible were probably liberal politics … She came to us because of the civil rights cases we did, the things we did with racial equity and other civil rights things. That was her interest.”
In addition to Treuhaft’s former association with the Communist Party, another partner in the firm, Doris Walker, was, and still is, an active member.
Clinton must have known about those associations, Burnstein said. “It’s not like it was a secret.”
Walker, now retired, said she figured someone would try to make political hay out of it eventually. Reached at home in California this week, she said she “must be the only living Communist Party member of my generation.”
“It was sort of a left-wing firm,” Walker said, but most of the lawyers were not communists. To dredge it up now, she said, amounts to little more than red-baiting.
Although Morris did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment, in his 2004 book, “Rewriting History,” an acerbic rebuttal to Hillary Clinton’s autobiography, “Living History,” he takes a more measured stance.
“Hillary was no Communist, nor should her work at the Treuhaft firm imply that she was,” Morris wrote. “But the fact that she chose this job out of all the summer jobs that might have been available, traveling three thousand miles for it, tells something about her orientation at the time. Just as the fact that she does not describe the firm’s work or reputation says something about her today.”
That part’s not in the e-mail, which ends with Morris’s assessment of Clinton: “She is a disaster for all Americans.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/feb/15/clintons-not-so-radical-past/
http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=1897 could save a life. Please read and call the Olathe PD. Herb West III, Publisher/Journalist, west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
http://www.kansas.com/711/story/314470.html
Apparently there is evidence of non-citizens voting in Kansas elections.
It’s time for a voter ID.
“Apparently there is evidence of non-citizens voting in Kansas elections.”
Good grief, it’s a letter tothe Editor… not eadline News!! That can hardly be called “evidence.”
It’s enough circumstanial evidence to warrent an investigation.
Chas it seems this would pretty easy to prove or disprove. An interpreter wouldn’t be needed if they could speak english would it?
So were you there to prove or disprove this letter writer’s assertion? If so were interpreters there?
Registering early as the GOP required would keep this problem from happening. Why did the dems allow same day registration?
Hollyfornia Excess:
Perhaps if Paris Hilton would have donated that money to a homeless shelter, she could have done some real good?
“Paris Hilton has been honoring her title as the world’s number one party princess by boogying until all hours all week in Sin City, but even she was surprised by a very “spirited” Valentine/birthday gift given to her by a total stranger on Thursday night at her home-away-from-home LAX.
A club goer spotted the former prisoner getting down and dirty, and knowing that she was just shy of the big 2-7, proceeded to purchase four gold-plated three liter bottles of 1995 Dom Perignon at $40,000 per bottle. Paris and her new “friends” then lit some sparklers and celebrated the “sweet” day in style.” Fox News
Ron Paul wins Nevada.
Your linkie no workee, Sol – i – san
Reg, google is free.
SolDevVB
Posted February 16, 2008 at 6:07 pm | Permalink
JR,
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Simplistic model, but would you like the government to regulate what your kids did for chores and how much you should compensate them with allowance?
Seriously, would this be a model you would support?
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Sol – Still not working.
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Dunno what’s going on, here is te raw link.
http://www.nvgopcaucus.com/results
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Sol – Apologies, but we were unable to find what you were looking for. Perhaps searching will help.
http://www.nvgopcaucus.com/results
Does this link work? Can anyone post an embeded link outside this domain?
Does this link work?
Working.
Where’s the Substance?
By Scott Galindez
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Monday 18 February 2008
Madison, Wisconsin – Many pundits and the Clinton campaign keep asking where the substance is to Obama’s campaign. There’s a simple answer: in his plans.
It’s true that his stump speeches are full of soaring oratory and do not satisfy policy wonks, but do a simple search of his web site and you will find substance. He also regularly gives policy speeches packed with specifics.
For example, on Saturday in Wisconsin, Senator Obama laid out his plan for revitalizing the Community College System.
Obama proposes to make tuition at a community college completely free for most Americans by creating a new “American Opportunity Tax Credit.” He explained, “This fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is free. The credit will be available to families at the time of enrollment by using the prior year’s tax data to deliver the credit at the time the tuition is due. Recipients of this credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of public service a year, either during the school year or over the summer months.”
The senator also proposed creating a so-called “Community College Partnership” that would assess the role of community colleges and help to tailor their services to the needs of students and industry.
Senator Obama also laid out his plan for the economy in a speech to workers at a General Motors assembly plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, on Wednesday.
In that speech, Obama said he would offer direct relief to victims of the mortgage crisis, and would also offer a tax credit to low- and middle-income taxpayers that will help them meet their mortgage obligations.
His job creation program focuses on infrastructure and “green energy jobs.” He proposes spending $210 billion over ten years to create jobs in these sectors and retrain workers to transition to these opportunities.
Another proposal affecting workers would be in the area of retirement accounts. He would mandate employers to place a small percentage of salaries into a retirement savings account. Under his plan, the federal government would match the funds set aside.
For working parents who split time between earning a living and caring for their kids, Obama proposes expanding the child-care tax credit for people earning less than $50,000 a year, and he proposes doubling spending on quality after-school programs. He also would expand the “Family Medical Leave Act” to include more businesses and millions more workers, and would require every employer to provide seven paid days of medical leave a year.
On health care, the major difference between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are mandates. Both would set up a similar system that individuals could buy into. Clinton would mandate that everyone must buy in. Obama would only require that children be covered; he cited the situation in Massachusetts,where some people are being fined for not buying into a plan that they think they can’t afford. Obama says he is committed to universal health care, but doesn’t want to put an “unfair burden on individuals while we work to get there.”
On Iraq, Obama has pledged to getting all US combat troops out in 16 months. Clinton will not set a date. Neither candidate would remove all troops; both believe a small force will be necessary to protect the embassy, and to protect Iraqis who have assisted our soldiers. Many antiwar activists oppose both Clinton’s and Obama’s plans, saying they don’t go far enough, fast enough.
This article is not intended to be an endorsement of Obama on the issues. The real differences between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are very small. Senator Clinton also would invest in “Green Jobs;” she has a national service plan, and would provide similar tax credits. The corporate media are doing the country a disservice by echoing unfair charges that Obama’s campaign is all about speeches and has no substance.
“This fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is free.”
How is this funded?
Obama said he would offer direct relief to victims of the mortgage crisis,
Why is the government spending money on folks that signed a bad contract? Again, how is this funded?
He proposes spending $210 billion over ten years to create jobs
How is this funded?
He would mandate employers to place a small percentage of salaries into a retirement savings account. Under his plan, the federal government would match the funds set aside.
So Employees have no say. They are forced to donate part of their salaries in an IRA that the company chooses. No thanx. I’ll invest my own money. Talk about nanny state. And again, where do the federal matching funds come from?
And on and on. Yeah, lots of pie in the sky ideas. But where does the money come from to fund these dreams?
” but would you like the government to regulate what your kids did for chores and how much you should compensate them with allowance?”
I’d much rather government have that role than it be the province of greedy business.
J R
Posted February 18, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink
I’d much rather government have that role than it be the province of greedy business.
So then it’s OK for the government regulate what chores kids have and how much they are compensated because that would be better than the greedy parents doing it?
Well sol
SOME parents used to think it was perfectly ok to send their kids off to work in coal mines.
Until the government enacted child labor laws.
Would you be in favor of repealing those?
Chas.
Posted February 18, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink
Prayer of the Evangelical Agnostics, by Susan Werner, on the album, “The Gospel Truth” –
Thy Kingdom Come,
in every nation;
Thy Will be done,
In everything we do;
Lord lead us not
Into temptation;
But deliver us
From those
Who think they’re You!
– Susan Werner –
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5 times in 12 hours Chas! Really, I think that’s been posted enough.
Fine you are an Agnostic. Who cares?
Well, “SolDecVB” –
If we’d stop spending $9 Billion a month on George WMD Bush’s little Iraqi adventure, some funds will be freed up, don’tcha think?
Proof of citizenship before voter registration is debated in Kansas
“Ford County Clerk Vicki Wells said she doesn’t know whether her office has registered illegal immigrants because it doesn’t ask, even if the person doesn’t speak English.
“Sometimes you register a person and wonder if they really are a citizen, but you can’t ask. We’ve been told it could be discrimination if we ask one person and not ask another,” she said. “They could feel like they might be targeted.”
A proof-of-citizenship bill passed the Senate last year and is awaiting action in the House. The measure also would require Kansans to show a photo ID at the polls.
“We have tens of thousands of illegal residents in the state and legal noncitizens who might be registering to vote,” said Sen. Tim Huelskamp, a Fowler Republican, the bill’s chief sponsor.
Another bill would increase penalties for those voting when unqualified and makes it a crime to urge or assist a person to vote who isn’t a lawfully registered voter.
Last year, legislators enacted a law to make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to obtain a driver’s license.” KCSTAR
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Slow movement by the state to discourage illegal immigration to the state, voting, and illegal voting in Kansas.
Well it’s about time.
MonkeyHawk
Posted February 18, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink
If we’d stop spending $9 Billion a month on George WMD Bush’s little Iraqi adventure, some funds will be freed up, don’tcha think?
No problem with that at all. Nor pulling our troops off of all foreign soil. No worries. What is your point? You still haven’t funded the programs. You need the money before you spend it.
J R
Posted February 18, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
Well sol
SOME parents used to think it was perfectly ok to send their kids off to work in coal mines.
So it sounds like you approve of the government telling you how to raise your kids, what chores they can and cannot do, and how much they should be compensated by greedy parents.
I don’t support the nanny state. I think the government should be less involved in individual’s lives.
That is the damn problem with politicians these days. You’ve got Hillary and Obama looking to spend an additional 200-300 billion a year and it will be paid by??? No one really knows. Taxing the ‘evil rich’? There is only so much they will bear. The cost will either be pushed off on the consumer or they will pick up their marbles and headquarter off shore. No more tax dollars.
Then McLame, 100 more years in Iraq that will be funded by??? Well, he was for taxing the ‘evil rich’ before he was against it.
Is no one fiscally responsible? Can any of these candidates show how they will fund their policies?
Bush the slightly more intelligent had endorsed McCain for what that’s worth.
Proud Man — You posted a link to a Letter to the Editor, and call it evidence??
C’mon!! THAT isnst evidence… Now, find one of the interpreters to write in, and THAT would be evidence!!
It is highly possible for someone to need an interpreter at a political rally… And they could even be citizens!! Maybe they can SPEAK English, but cant read it?? My grandmother spoke perfect English, but never learned to read English… Of couse she couldnt READ her native German either!!
The “lette writer” doesnt tell us what KIND of interpreter was being used… The DEAF also have interpreters!!
The Letter simply doesnt give enough information to prove registration of illegals… But IF the Kansas Dems are allowing such, it should be STOPPED!!
I think congratulations are in order to reporters at the Eagle. You have managed to protect the wrongful,unlawful and unethical acts of judges and the DA over the last few years at every turn. It is too bad that all the cover ups and interference you ran for the regime will go to waste.
It would seem that folks outside of the county lines of Sedgwick take the law a lot more seriously. The complaints of the past will pale in comparison to the complaints of the future.
All the years of protection offered by the Wichita Eagle to judges and the DA is going to be for naught when the yet another series of complaints becomes public.
It is good your newspaper was not in the old south during the civil rights movement.
Rosa Parks would have been a women with trouble with the bus company,and Martin Luther King would have been painted as a confused minister who forgot where his pulpit was,Watergate would have been reduced to a burglary by unknown assailants.
That is the type of yellow journalism and cowardice the Eagle practices every day,terrified that SG officials will pull your chain and spank you with your own newspaper.
I know when the news breaks and these officials are spewed from office you will probably write an article on their favorite recipes!
Crime DOES pay if you live in SG county where the press is the lapdog of court & government officials. Do you tremble in fear when you write about proceedings before the Judicial Commission,I will bet you do.
Do these officials let you wash their car and pick up their laundry…I shouldn’t criticize you are probably too busy driving them to the airport and being their lackey to write real articles!
SolDevVB
Posted February 18, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink
That is the damn problem with politicians these days. You’ve got Hillary and Obama looking to spend an additional 200-300 billion a year and it will be paid by??? No one really knows. Taxing the ‘evil rich’? There is only so much they will bear. The cost will either be pushed off on the consumer or they will pick up their marbles and headquarter off shore. No more tax dollars.
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And Democrats today cry about Bush’s deficits and how we could have better used the money spent in Iraq on US socialist programs.
That shows they don’t give a dang about the deficits. They only care if $1 is diverted away from Socialist programs.
And Hillary has voted to fund the Iraq war how many times?
Oh for god’s sake…
The kansas democrats have the pledge recited in Spanish at every meeting of the state committee. It’s been that way for years. Do you think they are a bunch of illegals too?
I think the republicans are building this up as a nonissue to prepare a firewall against their up coming butt kicking in November. Of course, no one will be able to prove illegals voted, but it makes a nice scare tactic and it will make them feel better as they are licking their wounds.
I mean, it couldnt be that they are about to be horse whipped because their policies suck, the constitution has been trashed, the economy is tanking, the war is going badly, and their dear leader is one of the most hated people in the world?
Naw. Must be the damn Mexicans….
Heh. Leonard Pitts had it right in his column about conservatives not being on time. The democrats have been courting hispanic voters for years. The republicans just wish they had thought of it sooner.
Like on time.
Now they see the handwriting on the wall, and so they paint any hispanic friendly actions as courting and registering illegal voters.
And they suggest blacks and gays would be better off supporting the republicans.
he. heh. hehehehehehe. HEE HEE HEE HEEHEEEEEEEEE!
Damn. That’s a good one.
And in other news…
Jesus wept. If this isnt the whole freakin’ chamber of commerce mentality in a nutshell.
ALL CHAMBERS.
http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/314950.html
I can name that tune in fewer words.
“Jesus, save me from your followers”
I see Garmin will receive an award from the chamber.
I guess no one told them my Garmin has broken down three times, and been replaced twice.
AmWay-Regular–
I’ve registered dozens of people to vote, and if there’s any question at all about their citizenship, I ask.
Obviously, one can’t vote if one is not a citizen. It’s not a violation of civil rights to ask a factual question.
I think either you or your source doesn’t know what the hell you’re talking about . . .
Or both.
Capn, I wish you would stop this immature name calling of posters you disagree with.
I’ve stated before: ANYone who thinks someone is nic-switching, trolling, or posting inappropriate posts can email the weblog editor.
I am who I say I am.
And there is a link/source associated with my post.
There is nothing today, to prevent an illegal alien from registering to vote in the state of Kansas. The source indicates some of those registering do not even speak English. Not a litmus test for citizenship, but without providing a birth certificate and photo id – what is? What you state as “obvious” doesn’t prevent it from happening all across America. Except Arizona so far and eleven other states soon.
This is from the Colby College admissions blog. While directed at Juniors, the advice therein contained should be heeded by any student in high school who is thinking about applying to college, any college. Steven Davis, if you are about, I would request your son take a look at this, too.
http://tinyurl.com/2af6py
Vaughn, I’ve noticed an increasing trend over the years of higher scores on SATs. Recently there were the twins both scored perfect (math?) on theirs, if I remember the paper’s article correctly. I think that may be due to the SAT industy that teaches how to take and pass the test. And it is an industry. A whole lot of money to be made all around on those. So the discrepancy between SAT scores and what a kid does in school classes doesn’t surprise me.
That said, I definitely have to agree with his assessment of work ethic, though.
ghotiphaze, the writer is actually a “her”, but I agree with you on the assessment on work ethic contained in the post. On increasing SAT scores; from what I’ve read, the performance on the SAT I has actually declined or stayed about the same, even with the plethora of prep courses out there.
From what little I know about the college admissions process, the discrepancy between the SAT I or ACT scores in certain subject areas and grades earned by the student in these areas raises a question; just as does a “perfectly written” admission essay (or essays) submitted by an applicant whose test scores and grades suggest the opposite.
Does anybody realize on how much is depended upon staff members getting reports from people that gather information from other people that gather information from other people that gather information from other people that gather information from other people?
I know it keeps on repeating but that is the scary part of our governing methods and to think that is what decisions are based upon.
posted by: Dory Streett
Lol, I guess SHE is. I just noticed the picture and assumed that was the author (and if it is, she needs to get out more*ducks*).
I never took a SAT or an ACT. ASVAB when I joined the service (and another when I joined the Monthly Mercenaries). I had to take a PL-something for my teacher’s certificate (but not a GRE). I’ve never had any problem with those. But I had trouble through school. Mostly school just got in my way. Like I tell kids, little of what you learn pre-college will you ever use, and most things you’re going to need for your life you’ll learn outside of school.
(Really, there are lots of caveats about having trouble with school, but this post is more than long enough).
As Mr. Davis has stated, we will have to do more than just raise taxes and cut spending.
It is painfully obvious to anyone that really looks at the numbers that we are in a big hole and more digging is not going to get us out.
Regardless of who is president or who controls Congress, fiscal realities have to be faced.
The era of low(er) taxes is over. Trickle down economics is a failed theory and has never produced a balanced budget.
Taxes will have to be raised and tax breaks rescinded to increase revenues, however painful that may be.
More importantly, merely cutting spending is not going to get us to a level of fiscal responsibility.
McCain has proposed eliminating earmarks. Bush says that he will veto any spending bill that doesn’t cut earmark spending in half.
Earmarks total about $35 billion right now. The deficit for fiscal 2009 is estimated at $600 billion.
Cutting earmarks is like putting a bandaid on a cut finger while the patient dies from a severed jugular.
To return to fiscal responsibility, spending has to be SLASHED, cut to the bone, across the board cuts, deep into the meat.
A few cuts………………….
The War on Iraq.
Foreign military bases.
Social Security as we know it.
Medicare and Medicaid as we know it.
Congressional staffing, pensions and salaries.
Redundant Federal programs that mirror state programs.
Redundant Federal programs that are covered by two (or more) Federal Departments.
If Congress, Democrats and Republicans alike were truly interested in the future of this country, they would (symbolically) cut their salaries by 25%, refuse their pensions and buy their own health insurance like average Americans.
The same would hold true for many Federal employees, Judges, bureaucrats, Cabinet members, executive staffers, etc.
Average Americans are going to suffer in the coming years due to the bloated Federal government and out of control spending coupled with unrealistic tax cuts.
The Federal government should be the first to step up and take the hit.
If Congress, Democrats and Republicans alike were truly interested in the future of this country, they would (symbolically) cut their salaries by 25%, refuse their pensions and buy their own health insurance like average Americans.
Less the cut in salary, I think there is that one candidate that has done this. Though I don’t know about his salary, he does return a portion of his budget every year.
Any guesses WS? I like a leader that leads by example !!!
“I don’t support the nanny state. I think the government should be less involved in individual’s lives.”
You only THINK you will enjoy feudalism sol.
I know I would enjoy freedom and liberty JR :-D
“Any guesses WS? I like a leader that leads by example !!!”
Damn, let’s see, Mr. Dev VB…. Todd Tiahrt? Nope. Ted Kennedy? Nope. Pat Roberts? Nope. Dan Burton? Nope.
Just one – Dr. Ron Paul – and the GOP has completely neutered him.
So much for THAT party of fiscal responsibility.
So much for THAT party of fiscal responsibility.
Amen to that. We have a one party system. The only difference between candidates now is their level of war mongering. From none – Barak – to moderate – Hillary – to 100 years – McLame.
Clinton Cries Foul! Obama’s Orations NOT Original!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3392913.ece
February 18, 2008
Hillary Clinton accuses Barack Obama of plagiarism
Obama Replies: WTF? Who Cares?
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgQJHKAbW2RJuCRkAnbHdbJ9582AD8USTNA80
Obama Says Borrowed Lines Not a Big Deal
By NEDRA PICKLER – 2 hours ago
NILES, Ohio (AP) — Sen. Barack Obama said Monday that he doesn’t think it’s a big deal that he borrowed lines from his friend Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, although he probably should have given him credit.
SolDevVB
Posted February 18, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink
I know I would enjoy freedom and liberty JR
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JR has no clue what Feudalism means.
He thinks Big Government gives mankind Freedom. Small Government gives mankind Feudalism.
Well, looks like we really DO have the best legislature money can buy.
Holcomb lives. My friend Peg has a couple of great rants about the pie in the sky attitude the legislature has about the promises of Sunflower Electric. Scroll past the updates about her family if you are not interested.
Her take on the Holcomb Hokey Pokey is great.
http://www.kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/
I wish I could say all this comes as a big surprise, kfg; I really do. What has happened/is happening follows the scenario I crafted mentally, and should have posted, the day the bill was pulled from before the committee.
Well, I’ve been the victim of a “gut and go” before. In 2005 as I recall. With some of the same folks behind it.
It’s just unbelievable that the majority of Kansans, and the first congressional district, dont want the plant built. And yet, these knotheads bull their way through it.
If THIS doesnt turn the legislature from red to at least purple, nothing will. And I doubt this will.
And even if the House doesnt have enough votes for a veto override, I wonder if the gov really will veto it.
And I wonder if she does, will Sunflower and their cronies spread around enough cash to get the override?
My bet is yes.
We’ll see, “ksfarmgrrl,”
But it looks as if the House can’t override a veto.
“The Federal government should be the first to step up and take the hit.”
Excellent post, Clark.
But, hey, I thought you liberals only liked to tax and spend. You couldn’t possibly mean, could you, that deficit spending is somehow unAmerican? Our total debt (the interest upon which accounts for 8.5% of the yearly Federal budget – a mere 226.6 Billion dollars) is almost 9 Trillion – note: with a ‘t’ dollars.
Our crushing debt will adversely impact our quality of life during our lifetimes. What it will do to our childrens’ and grandchildrens’ lives is unconscionable.
Just when you think that the Lege has gotten their collective heads screwed on – not straight, but at least on – they go and pull some stupid stuff like this.
I guess their version of a representative system is ever so slightly different than the rest of us.
Kansans oppose the power plants by a 2 – 1 margin.
85% of the power would go out side of Kansas.
100% of the pollution would stay in Kansas.
100% of the water used would be from our aquifier, water that we can’t spare.
And………….. if future Federal CO2 guidelines require additional pollution eliminating equipment – guess who will either pay for it or see a huge investment turn into a ghost town.
Dang……………
Sorry if this has been posted already, I’m in a bit of a hurry:
“Internists Tell Feds to Lighten Up on Marijuana
Ease off on marijuana, a national doctor group is telling the feds.
The American College of Physicians, 124,000 members strong, has issued a 13-page position paper asking the federal government to drop marijuana from its classification as a substance considered to have no medicinal value and a high chance of abuse, reports the Baltimore Sun.
“They’ve said essentially that the federal government has it all wrong,” Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, tells the Health Blog. The ACP, which represents internists, is the largest physician group to date to ask for such a classification change, he says.
The Sun reports that the ACP’s declaration could pressure legislators and regulators to consider pushing for the schedule change. The federal government thus far has resisted fully exploring the medical benefits of marijuana, but a dozen states have legalized medical use. The ACP paper makes a broad case for easing restrictions on marijuana research and says that doctors and patients in these states shouldn’t be penalized under federal law.
But at least some in the government disagree vehemently with the idea of legalizing medical marijuana. “What this would do is drag us back to 14th-century medicine,” Berta Madras, the deputy director for demand reduction at the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy tells the Sun. “It’s so arcane.””
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/02/15/internists-tell-feds-to-lighten-up-on-marijuana/trackback/
I think she meant “archaic”, because thanks to the federal government it IS arcane, and that’s a bad thing :D
It’s all on Kathy now.
She had better gather what little spine she has and veto that damn plant.
Uh I better clarify.
The Governor of Kansas now has the singular power to stop construction of the Sunflower coal fired plants. She had best use that power.
(I didn’t want any confusion with the plant Tara brought up!)
Don’t Mess With WWII Vets:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa080214_lj_hawes.bfc57dff.html
80-year-old John Wayne fan puts attacker in hospital
10:06 AM CST on Friday, February 15, 2008
By CHRIS HAWES / WFAA-TV
Investigators say they were definitely going to rob him – possibly even kill him.
But an 80-year-old North Texan wasn’t about to let that happen, so he took action.
One of the suspects is in the hospital and both are facing charges.
Two men obviously thought James Pickett, 80, was an easy target when they showed up at his home on Saturday with a knife.
“He just came through that door, stabbing and beating,” said Pickett.
Captain Clint Pullin said it looked as though the men wanted to kill him.
But before you worry too much about Pickett, learn a bit more about him.
He’s a WWII veteran, former firefighter and lifelong John Wayne devotee.
In short, even at 80, he is someone you just don’t mess with.
What the men didn’t know is Picket had taken a pistol and put it in his pocket before opening the door.
“He jumped and turned and I shot him,” Picket said.
The two brothers, Paul and Holden Perry, ran but didn’t get far before calling an ambulance.
A bullet just missed Paul Perry’s spine.
“The only problem was I run out of bullets,” Picket said.
A neighbor describes Picket as a “hero.”
Worried about retribution, friends are sticking close.
Both brothers face assault, burglary and robbery charges.
Deputies assure James Pickett they aren’t likely to get out of jail anytime soon but he isn’t worried.
“I think I’m a ten times better shot than and he is… But they best not come back,” he said.
“But it looks as if the House can’t override a veto.”
Yet.
We’ll see if she actually vetoes it, and which Democrats then change sides to help override it.
She gets the best of both worlds that way. Sunflower and Hays are happy and she gets to appear green.
heheheh. governor “leadership”. Not Tara. heheheh.
I mean, what’s a poor, powerless governor to do? (cue croc tears)
The US is blessed with great coal deposits and these plants make good sense, until at least the subject of CO2 emissions are made a part of the law, which has not happened. These plants meet all requirements under the present law, to not approve them is to have one set of laws on the books we don’t follow and go off on some other unspecified course. That’s bad for future business in Kansas, too much risk for companies if they know we don’t even follow are own law. We must remain a nation under the law not whims, or chaos ensues.
The wind doesn’t blow all the time either, we would still need backup generating capacity and these plants won’t eliminate the development of wind generated power when and where it makes sense. These companies are in this to make a profit, they are not going to do things that don’t make the most sense financially, and right now these plants do.
“we would still need backup generating capacity”
85% of the power would go to states outside of Kansas, yet it would be our air polluted and our aquifier depleted.
If Texas needs more power, let them build their own freakin’ power plant.
Hey WS,
What do you think of the state of KS putting a severance tax on any power sold outside KS? Might turn those Holcomb plants into money generators for the all the citizens of the state. I don’t completely buy into the CO2 deal, not that I don’t believe it, but I’m sure not going to get my bowels in an uproar over that yet. Groundwater, that’s another story though. That water may someday be as valuable as gold or oil in a manner of speaking. A severance tax would be saying ‘okay, built your plants, generate needed power, but any that doesn’t stay in the state gets taxed for you, the plants, are profiting utilizing resources of the states. I am not a big tax proponent at all, especially when it applies to me but I am for taxing things that leave the state.
M/Gen S. Butler, USMC (ret) — awarded 2 Congressional Medals of Honor — his take on his war service
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”[19]
hmmmm seems not much has changed
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. ”
Major General Chesty Puller, USMC – while on a Battalion inspection.
RE: registering illegals to vote
You need a KS DL or a Soc Security number, plus a current address.
If illegals have those, then I suppose it is theoretically possible.
But how do you get a DL or SS card if you’re not legal?
You don’t. And if you can fake that, you can fake a birth certificate too . . .
BTW, AmWay–
You were WRONG about needing a photo ID to register for the primaries.
I never got an acknowledgement of that.
“The presence of an interpreter causes me to wonder whether, at this particular location, noncitizens were registering and had fraudulently cast votes for a candidate, thereby tainting the results. Why would an interpreter be needed if legally qualified voters could read, write, speak and understand the English language?”
There have been and are legal, naturalized citizens of this country whose primary language is not English, and now there are quite a few whose primary language is Spanish. The presence of a Spanish interpreter is not, in and of itself, evidence of non-citizens voting in the caucus.
“The US is blessed with great coal deposits and these plants make good sense, until at least the subject of CO2 emissions are made a part of the law, which has not happened. These plants meet all requirements under the present law, to not approve them is to have one set of laws on the books we don’t follow and go off on some other unspecified course. That’s bad for future business in Kansas, too much risk for companies if they know we don’t even follow are own law. We must remain a nation under the law not whims, or chaos ensues.”
What’s bad for businiss, and certainly Kansas’ long term economic health, is to use up resources that support the economy we have to provide a service that is unnecessary.
I swear Boxlock, are you a proll on this subject?
“‘But it looks as if the House can’t override a veto.’
“Yet.
“We’ll see if she actually vetoes it, and which Democrats then change sides to help override it.
“She gets the best of both worlds that way. Sunflower and Hays are happy and she gets to appear green.
“heheheh. governor “leadership”. Not Tara. heheheh.
“I mean, what’s a poor, powerless governor to do? (cue croc tears)”
Actually, I have to say that the whole removing emissions standards deal in the bill stinks to high heaven. I am, unlike you I have to say, not a conspiracy theorist, but it does concern me that this scenario seems to set up a situation where Sebelius can veto the bill, and then the legislature works up a “compromise” that includes carbon limits. Then there is either a veto proof majority or Sebelius, in the spirit of “bipartisanship” (although this is not a Republican/Democrat split issue) can sign the compromise. That being said, she and her allies may be too clever by half. The opposition to the power plants in this state is strong.
But, opponents needs to start being more clever about their opposition. It’s not just about the carbon.
Don’t recall posting about primaries.
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