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Looks like Obama’s going to win the nomination. He leads Hillary 12 to 9 in primaries, and 8 to 2 in caucuses. She has won 2 races by 20+ percentages, he’s won17. On the last 8 elections it’s not 4 to 4 or 5 to 3 or 6 to 2. It’s been an 8-0 sweep. She won California by 9.7%, but this is attributable to nearly 1 out of 3 voters submitting early mail-in ballots, before Obama got his momentum.
Hillary has demoted her campaign manager and fired her deputy campaign manager. Her flaming out isn’t her fault, it’s those darned incompetents she selected. Not to mention Bill’s discredited Obama put-downs.
Hillary would be the best presidential candidate around. She could defeat the vast right wing conspiracy. But all these people around her are screwing things up for her.
Nah, something will happen. She’ll take Texas and it’ll put her just ahead of Obama.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy…
…yeah
Actually, with “Regular” on their side, it’s a Half-Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
I so hope she ekes out the majority, then Obama will have to claim that her superdelegate majority will have to stand. There will be no whining about how he lead the delegates that the people voted for.
and I’m still angry that CNN removed my comments on the caucus fraud by the republicans.
32 million people rely on Social Security monthly for bebfits and are being told, “NO” to a “Stimulus Check”!! 32 Million Americans being discriminated against by Obama, McCain and Clinton. Huckabee did not vote for this, Package. I hope people remember the 32 million disabled/retired Americans of America. The “Baby Boomers” and the “Sick”. File complaints with Congress, President Bush and Obama, McCain, and Clinton. Complain too Social Security. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com
But Poster, I thought Plame was a super secret, double-cloaked, super covert agent? Plame didn’t know about this? I’m shocked! :D
Herb, I believe that because of the efforts of the Dem. Senators, the stimulus package now includes SS recipients and disabled vets, albeit at a lower rate. If the republicans had their way they truly would have been excluded! So, thank a Dem.! The Dems. are now busy working on a stimulus package to help those unemployed over 6 mos. something the Repubs. were adamantly against. They’d rather spend our money on war.
So you think gasoline is expensive
My wife (therefor, my kids) only drink bottled water. I tap it myself. Price bottled water by the gallon! While mowing the yard for the last time of summer I found 4 half-drank water bottles. I came in the house fuming and told the kids if they wanted to waste money they could start drinking gasoline and save me money.
Obama campaign staff fans of Che? Who’d a thunk it.
Wonder if they even know who the guy really was?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915&only&rss
“32 million people rely on Social Security monthly for bebfits and are being told, “NO” to a “Stimulus Check”!!”
Herbert, seniors on social security are not getting screwed out of anything. They didn’t have income, so they don’t have anything to base payment on.
As it is congress is creating 150 billion dollars in worthless IOU’s to the treasury to hand out money they don’t have. Fortunately for you, old people will have died and be six feet under before the bill comes due.
Pretend there is no handout, then you will feel better.
Ghotiphaze, that’s all I drink too and I scream a storm up when my kid’s pull that as well.
Heckler, that (Obama’s flag) was one of yesterday’s “open blog” topics. Quite funny though.
I saw this in review of yesterday’ sopen thread:
“Sol
Ron Paul’s idea of government CAN’T work anymore.
Such conservatism was practical when everyone owned a farm. You know? A hundred years ago.
Government now HAS to be big to protect the many from the greedy few. And I trust government way more than those greedy few.”
Our Government IS the “greedy few” now.
Our Government IS the “greedy few” now
That’s what I was thinking, too. Gov’t protects the greedy few from the needy many.
So, don’t sit on the info. I hate using CAPS for emphasis.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Headline on Fox:
Waxman, “someone is not telling the truth”.
With a 20% approval rating for Congress and the same for Bushco, since when does anyone ever tell the truth?
thanks Sol, just kind of toying around with html now…I find that it’s quite easy. Phew, and I was scared about it.
I’m just a meek designer.
Designer? what do you design?
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Senate_OKs_immunity_for_telecoms_0212_af.html
The Senate couldn’t stop BushCo’s minions there from delivering immunity for telecoms that worked with gov’t to illegally spy on Americans.
Barack Obama voted against the bill because of the immunity it provided. McCain of course voted for it.
Hillary Clinton just couldn’t find the time to vote against legally protecting companies who illegally spy on American citizens.
Well . . . at least she’s consistent . . .
Business jet interiors (intentionally vague).
Have seven years of an inarticulate President taught us anything?
Obama IS an impressive speaker. But here is an assessment of what happens when he is denied a teleprompter…
“..In spite of Obama’s obvious strengths in this area, questions linger regarding Obama’s gifted speechifying. Do his speeches give us a glimpse at a very special man with a unique vision? Or are we merely witnessing a political one-trick pony? Yes, Obama can turn a phrase better and do more with a Teleprompter than any other modern era politician. But does his special skill set here actually mean anything, or is it instead the political equivalent of a dog walking on its hind legs–unusual and riveting, but not especially
significant? Regardless, the liberal commentators have gushed their praise nearly every time Obama has opened his mouth before a Teleprompter the past few months
It was thus interesting to see Obama climb to the stage at Virginia’s Jefferson-Jackson Dinner on Saturday night. As he strode to the podium, Obama clutched in his hands a pile of 3 by 5 index cards. The index cards meant only one thing–no Teleprompter.
Shorn of his Teleprompter, we saw a different Obama. His delivery was halting and unsure. He looked down at his obviously copious notes every few seconds throughout the speech. Unlike the typical Obama oration where the words flow with unparalleled fluidity, he stumbled over his phrasing repeatedly.”
And of course Obama told us in one of the debates that he cannot keep track of important notes.
And then there’s that business about wanting to work with Republicans.
Look before you leap folks.
sounds to me like is is not sincere about what he is saying.
Bully pleefer.
I heard Obama speak without a teleprompter in Topeka. I heard him speak to a smaller crowd before the main speech at El Dorado. I heard him speak in the debates.
There’s no problem with Obama. He graduated from Harvard Law and was editor of the Law Review.
Tracy,
Abilify is not an antidepressant. It is though a fairly new drug and I am betting your friend (Jim?) could have his wife obtain free samples at any number of places.
Also, there are programs where one can apply to the drug company as a hardship case and get a discount. If Jim’s wife needs Abilify, it is not one of those that would be an “optional” drug – in other words she probably really needs it. And there exist reasonable options for her to get it.
I thought this was interesting and a bit scary. It didn’t come out exactly as I though it would. So, I thought I would share.
http://www.votechooser.com
Yeah, and John McCain’s off-the-cuff comments include:
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”
Or,
“Bomb. Bomb. Bomb.
“Bomb, bomb Iran.”
What a card.
It’s really amusing to see the Cons spin like Nureyev on acid. McCain objects to eco-cons’ perpetual tax breaks for the wealthy. McCain is against the Brown Holocaust advocates on the immigration issue. McCain want to perpetuate George WMD Bush’s little Iraqi adventure.
“American jobs aren’t coming back,” he says. “The Mexicans aren’t going home,” he says. “And we’re going to war in Iraq for another hundred years!”
Good luck with that agenda.
Dayton, Ohio – February 12, 2008) Supporters of conservative Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul have had to become guerilla marketing experts as they strive to get their underdog candidate more media coverage. Their latest effort is an 11th-hour deal to sponsor two high-profile drivers in NASCAR’s 2008 Nationwide Series (formerly the Busch Series.)
The grassroots group, known as Ron Paul Racing, announced today that the proposed season-long sponsorship deal would include the Fitz Motorsports Dodge number 36, driven by Kenny Wallace, and the Fitz Motorsports Dodge number 22, driven by Mike Bliss.
http://www.ronpaulracing.com/blog/?p=39
Capn,
I am not wanting to argue, but how do you respond to the charge that Obama, while a great orator, has not given us anything of real substance about what he would do as president. Great… we’re all Americans, blah, blah, blah… Fantastic… “yes, we can” — how do you answer the above criticism?
I recall you saying he is the man with the Mojo hand, which is great if your a blues guitarist, but how does that help the leader of the free world?
Hopesprings
Nice site. You put that together? I went through it and you picked correctly.
BTW, I clicked on one of your banner ads ;-). To anyone visiting the site, that is how the developer gets $$$. You have to click on the add though. Google Ads?
“SolDevVB” –
That’s it!
The only thing prevening Paul-bearers from electing the next President of the United States is that his name isn’t on a race car!
Just like the “rEVOLution” blimp!
If there’s any lesson to be learned from Ron Paul’s candidacy it’s that there are lots of stupid people with too much money on hand to contribute to a crackpot politician.
Wait. No. We learned that with George WMD Bush’s candidacy seven years ago.
“And of course Obama told us in one of the debates that he cannot keep track of important notes.”
And let us not forget, he did not do real great during the debates. Probably the reason he won’t agree to do any more. But, as it is going now, he doesn’t really need to. But I still wish he would.
Hey Steven, Tracy,
There are many ways to save on presciption drugs, if you are really in bad financial status your Dr can help.
Here is a website that I know has helped many:
http://www.freemedicinerevolution.com/?gclid=CPb36pHJwZECFQIglgodxWOEDA
SD,
If he gets the nod, he’ll have to go up against McLame. Not much of an opponent, but he might actually have to reveal some of his policy.
I cna’t decide who would do more damage to the US; McLame or Obama.
Obama represents Hope. What else do you want for a President?
Obama represents Hope
Delivering on promises. What is it he promises?
Steven – He did agree to another debate. I believe it is Feb. 21, but not sure. That seems weird since it would be on a Thursday, but he did agree to another debate before March 4.
Sol,
Nope, not my site. Someone sent me the link. But it is very interesting…
Thanks for the link, Hank. I noticed Abilify was one of the first drugs listed in the window.
There are always free options, especially for the newer drugs – not such much for the older ones though.
Thanks again.
Yep Steven, the debate is 2/21/08 @ 7 pm, televised on CNN.
Thanks, TDT, I had not heard that. I respect Obama for doing debates when he could coast on pretty well with his charisma.
What is it he promises?
Change. Obama has promised Change.
Isn’t that enough?
No problem,
The best way to save on drugs if you have a need is to go to your doctor and just say, “I can’t afford this prescription.”
rfl – What have any of the candidates promised? Clinton has promised what? McCain has promised what? Well, actually he has promised to keep us in this quagmire of a war. Huckabee has promised what? At least he hasn’t promised anything that he hasn’t been able to deliver so far. His supporters are very hopeful, and also think he can change the course of the country if elected.
I think the crux of the upcoming election can be best summarized :”Do you want to de-Bush America, or re-Bush it?” ???
I love Obama’s ideas and how he makes us feel as if we really can make things change.
And then I started paying attention and I wonder if he has what it takes to deliver. I’m beginning to believe he hasn’t. Not enough skill, finese, knowledge or experience to pull them off and without those things what good will he do?
“Obama represents Hope. What else do you want for a President?”
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My wish list: Toughness, decisiveness, executive ability and experience, ideas, prior accomplishments, faith, knowledge, inspiration, organization, communication skills, …
McCain has promised what?
100 years in Iraq.
Many new wars – but we’ll win em all.
Further bloating of the government.
Less free speech…
Huckabee has promised what?
A King James version of the constitution.
Oh Sol, you summed it up really well.
That about covers it Sol. Too bad Ron Paul isn’t picking up more steam. Too late anyway. Makes this election another of voting against someone, instead of for someone I believe in.
We will see.
I’d take Huckster over McLame, but even the Huckster is all but mathematically eliminated.
My wish list: Toughness, decisiveness, executive ability and experience, ideas, prior accomplishments, faith, knowledge, inspiration, organization, communication skills, …
So this means you won’t be running, outlander?
(Sorry, couldn’t resist. :) )
My wish list: Toughness, decisiveness, executive ability and experience, ideas, prior accomplishments, faith, knowledge, inspiration, organization, communication skills, …
Hmmmmm…. And you voted for Bush?
“My wish list: Toughness, decisiveness, executive ability and experience, ideas, prior accomplishments, faith, knowledge, inspiration, organization, communication skills, …”
So, outlander, Hillary is your candidate then? HA!
Seriously, just out of curiosity, who do you see, among remaining candidates, best matching the criteria you state?
Dr. Paul is losing ground in the congressional race as well. Rumor is that he will drop out of the presidential race prior to the March primary.
But, I also heard he is going to keep the revolution alive. Don’t really know what that means yet, but I think he has awakened the Libertarian in a lot of folks. Conservatives are watching the last throws of the GOP as we knew it.
The GOP has to get back to its conservative roots. Maybe we need a kick from the Libertarian side. Maybe he is going to promote the Libertarian party. Wouldn’t that rock? A three party system? Besides war mongering, there wouldn’t be much difference between the neo-cons and the progressive party.
Thanks Sol. When I posted those questions, that’s what I had in mind, but wanted people to think a little.
After this election, and the new count in congress, it may be time for those who wish for the old conservative party – to form a new one.
Gone with the religious right
Gone with big business
Environmentally friendly
Gone with the world police
Gone with military foreign subsidies
But still strong on defense at home
Against illegal immigration and boder security
Balanced Budget Amendment
Line Item Veto Amendment (no personal earmarks)
Conservative on spending programs
Smaller government
Free radio airwaves (about to end with either dem)
No more free lunches
Protect seniors (babyboomers) retirements
This is changing the subject – by a long shot. Yes, I’m pleased for Obama that he’s doing so well – but I’ve got something else to say today…….
Age can bring many, many things – not all of them negative. Age can augur periods of sage wisdom, increased knowledge, self-awareness, professional accomplishment, great and stupendous feats, excellent CD collections, a bookshelf filled with the most inscrutable literacy, etc……..
and it can also usher in what one 1970s doctor deemed “the closest a woman can come to turning into a man.”
In 1995, I emerged from more than five years of what I called “the dead zone.” Diagnosed with major depression in 1989, I struggled horribly on a way-too-low dose of antidepressant medication – and I felt nothing. I was nowhere, as Kurt Cobain once said before he offed himself in 1994.
It was my bright idea to increase my medication in 1995 – and the results were miraculous. Slowly but inexorably, my senses were reborn – along with my libido. For some masochistic reason, I watched daily coverage of the O.J. trial and became attracted to one of the journalists covering that debacle. He was funny; he was savvy; he disdained O.J. (just like I did and still do) – and for some reason I found him quite handsome.
Fast-forward to 2008: This double-D-d—hebag is evidently now a far-right wingnut on Fox TV. In an unforgivable descent into bad taste and insensitivity, Gibson had the gutbucket gall to mock the late actor Heath Ledger on live radio. (Go to YouTube and type in “John Gibson….Heath Ledger” on the search engine – it’ll take you right to this festering crapheap.)
What is it about eros that compels such idiocy? To think – I actually thought this white-haired nutbag was a hottie – back in the day. Since 1995, several things have happened: Gibson’s gotten a lot older and a whole lot fatter; this chick’s gotten a whole lot more menopausal and a lot more knowledgeable; and Fox-TV has allowed Gibson to open his mouth far too often. Put all those things together – and you’ve got a recipe for catatonia along with a sexless existence.
The conservative talk-show titan also accused John Edwards of “whoring his wife’s cancer.” I saw nothing of the sort. This is really, really despicable. So, I’m left with some unsettling conclusions.
I can’t take HRT owing to family history. I have a drastically declining sex drive along with my acrid ovaries, and I’m not really lamenting this loss – not when I consider the impetus that kept me riveted to the TV back in 1995. Menopause can be a huge tragedy, especially if one is married. But it ain’t necessarily a tragedy for this discerning diva.
Gibson issued a mealy-mouthed “apology” days after his appalling take on Ledger; however, I’m not buying it. I also haven’t bought those “bioidentical” hormones either.
If estrogen can cause such catastrophic lapses in good taste – I should have probably paid A.C. Cowlings to run over me with his hooptie nearly 14 years ago…………….
Hmmmmm…. And you voted for Bush?
Who was better?
Amway,
Great list. I would add to that — lose the hate. Liberals are not to be hated. Anyone outside the (new) conservative political spectrum is not to be hated. Hate does nothing but detriment the hater.
And BTW, that looks like a pretty good list of Libertarian ideology.
Steven–
Obama wants to give people the opportunity to save in 401k’s even if they are self-employed. Gov’t would match dollars if savers are poor.
Obama wants to give college scholarships to students who agree to volunteer after graduation.
Obama has vowed to bring troops home from Iraq.
He has many great positions some of which he outlined at El Dorado.
See http://www.barackobama.com for more.
Faster link here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Economy
At a Glance
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Trade
Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
Labor
Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
Reform Bankruptcy Laws
Work/Family Balance
Energy
At a Glance
Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050
Invest in a Clean Energy Future
Support Next Generation Biofuels
Set America on Path to Oil Independence
Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030
Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change
Funding Gov’t
At a Glance
Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington
Make the Tax System More Fair and Efficient
Health Care
At a Glance
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
Fight for New Initiatives
More at link above . . .
Gov’t would match dollars if savers are poor.
Who pays for that? Where does the money come from?
who agree to volunteer after graduation.
Volunteer for what? Again, where does the money come from?
Sol, on the volunteer and for what question you raised above. First of all, I’ve not been to the links posted so I cannot answer that. Second, it sounds like an expansion of certain existing programs which provide funding for higher ed if the student “volunteers” to serve in VISTA, among other organizations. Under the current program, the “volunteering” may occur pre-matriculation or post-graduation. In the latter case, the credits, or funding, or whatever one wishes to call it, may be applied against outstanding student loan debt.
Steven: I not sure who would best fit that “wish list”, but I don’t think that it would be Obama. Probably Huckabee, followed by McCain and Hillary.
Since McCain is the presumptive nominee, I’m not real fired up. What are your criteria?
I for one will be donating to Ron Paul’s Congressional re-election campaign and will continue donating to his Presidential bid. And it’s GREAT about the race car as well as the blimp. Apeman can eat one.
“Stupid people with too much money”…that kinda sounds like all of the other candidates.
VT,
Like a dumb ass, I googled Vista. Got about 8 million hits for Microsoft’s OS. Are you talking about AmeriCorps VISTA?
Sorry, Sol; should have made that more clear. Yes, AmeriCorps VISTA is the program to which I made reference.
“Obama wants to give people the opportunity to save in 401k’s even if they are self-employed.”
That wouldn’t amount to any change: Self employed can already have a SEP. They can also start and offer a 401K to their employees and also be a participant.
What’s different with Obama’s plan?
Monkeyboy gets his big girl panties in a wad when you talk about a candidate that supports the constitution and upholds the same with 20 years worth of voting. Kind of puts his comments into perspective doesn’t it?
“And BTW, that looks like a pretty good list of Libertarian ideology.”
Not to the diehards, I’m sure. I think they want a much smaller government than most. And I made no mention of government interference in our lives (drug laws come to mind).
There are many issues to the libertarian ideology I could go along with – but I don’t think they would go mainstream. That’s why I’m thinking of a cross between the conservatives and libertarians.
VT,
VISTA looks pretty awesome for recent grads. Great program.
AmWay,
I could definitely get behind a Libertarian Conservative hybrid. Ditch the RR and the holier than thou attitude. Well, pretty much all the things you listed. I think it would be a long overdue overhaul of the GOP.
Sol, with the younger graduating in May, I’ve been interested in learning more about these programs. She’s indicated an interest in them, and I think she could benefit from being a part of VISTA. I’ve a niece who did this for a year after graduating from the University of Miami, and as a result thereof, has decided “what she wants to do when she grows up” and will be enrolling in grad school to further her education in the area she’s determined as her choice of careers.
“What are your criteria?”
Mine are less ambitious than yours:
Someone who will pay down the debt, grow the economy, and make government work (better than it did for Katrina).
For all of his faults, Bill Clinton did the above. Is Hillary the same candidate as Bill? I don’t think so. Even though she takes corporate money like it is going out of style, she will be less corporate-friendly than Bill was. Going against the trend in my camp, I am not sure this difference is a good one.
I don’t know enough about Obama other than he rivals MLK in speaking ability. That is not enough for me.
I am not terribly bothered by a McCain presidency. I don’t buy the “in Iraq for 100 years” line – that is him pandering to the Republican base, I think. I have been hearing mainline Republicans talk about McCain being too emotional and reactive. Maybe that is a fault, maybe not.
I would like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. I don’t care about the order, either. She needs him, more than he needs her.
It should be interesting…
VT,
There are a few people I can think of that could benefit from this as well. Have to assume it would look spectacular on a resume.
Educational reading for those interested in DC V Heller (Parker).
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/uncategorized/amicus-briefs-for-heller-available-in-guns-case/
Ok, I know that Baseball is an american sport, but will someone please tell me why the US government needs to get invoved with the Baseball steroid scandal I mean for crist sake isn’t their anything else they can worry about. for christ sake just issue a statement condemning the use of steroids and move to somthing important. Maybe they can work on the Housing crisis, maybe debate the Darfur crisis. Maybe work on the AMT tax issues. just pretty sure the government can find something better to do then pick on grown men that made a choice that hurts no one but themselves.. IMO
Robert Reich’s take on fixing the economy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/opinion/13reich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
He and Hillary dated when they were in college.
Steven
And Reich’s solution……..wealth transfer. Big surprise. Oh, and better schools.
Excellent question, BG. I don’t pretend to know for certain, but it seems like our congress acts like a bunch of star struck groupies–and they wanted to see him in person.
Remember a few years back when congress was supposedly “investigating” farm problems? They held ‘hearings’ and called ‘witnesses’. Did the ‘witnesses’ have any particular knowledge of farming? No..they were 3 actresses who played farm wives in the movies. Of course, they claimed they researched a lot, so that gave them the ability to speak authoritatively.
Bunch of star struck groupies…our congress. Doesn’t it make you proud?
Say Tom,
Saw your videos you posted last night on the police brutality.
That’s one reason why I don’t trust Big Government.
And one more reason to vigorously defend the 2nd Amendment along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.
Baseball (MLB) has an Federal anti-trust exemption and has had since the earliest days. Further, the use of most performance enhancing drugs is a violation of Federal laws.
Lastly, Roger Clemens could not have looked more dishonest if he had “LIAR” tattooed on his forehead and the Congress just couldn’t resist making another Texan look stupid and dishonest.
Sorry, the last part was (kinda sorta) tongue-in-cheek.
“Saw your videos you posted last night on the police brutality.”
So, you want to shoot it out with the police, Max?
Jeez, make sure that you have your living will up to date and that plot is paid for.
Let us know when you plan on doing that so we can watch the news about your death.
Clark, you can sit by and do nothing as the cops beat you up or beat up your family.
Not me.
I’d rather die fighting, then die without trying to defend myself or my family.
Lambs make it easy for the Government to have their way with People, whenever they want to.
Ditto, WSClark.
With gun in hand, a parapalegic wouldn’t just be humiliated and abused, he’d be one dead parapalegic.
What’s different with Obama’s plan?, asks AmWay.
Just a second, let me tune in Obama’s brain waves with my telepathic connection that all us Obama-Borg have.
Sheesh.
Read the dude’s website like the rest of us have to . . .
rfl
Posted February 13, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
Obama represents Hope. What else do you want for a President?
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More Koolaide anyone?
Just how EXACTLY does Obama represent hope?
Hope for what?
rfl
Posted February 13, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink
What is it he promises?
Change. Obama has promised Change.
Isn’t that enough?
—————————————
Oh, Ok!
I get it now.
Change. (Nickels, dimes, and quarters?)
What change? Changing to what exactly?
Just had something interesting happen… I tried to make an appointment with my doctor–only to find out that they have “fired” me as a patient.
Anybody know a good doctor in the central part of town? (I have insurance, BTW)
(Imitating Mr. Spock in a Vulcan mind-meld) “Our minds are merging. Our minds are one:”
Expand Retirement Savings Incentives for Working Families: Obama will ensure savings incentives are fair to all workers by creating a generous savings match for low and middle-income Americans. His plan will match 50 percent of the first $1,000 of savings for families that earn less than $75,000. The savings match will be automatically deposited into designated personal accounts. Over 80 percent of these savings incentives will go to new savers.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/#retirement-savings
Max–
All those hundreds of millions of people listening and responding to Obama’s message are wrong.
Only you and Bruce Tinsley are right.
Congratulations.
:roll:
CapnAmerica
Posted February 13, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink
Steven–
Obama wants to give people the opportunity to save in 401k’s even if they are self-employed. Gov’t would match dollars if savers are poor.
Obama wants to give college scholarships to students who agree to volunteer after graduation.
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THAT will help balance the budget.
“I’d rather die fighting, then die without trying to defend myself or my family.”
The operative word is DIE.
I have had my run-ins with the police back in the Sixties and early Seventies.
If you want to get the living shit kicked out of you – resist.
If you want to live to fight another day – use the MLK version of non-violence.
When it comes to fighting the police, you can’t win…………………… ever.
But you can win if you don’t fight back.
“I’d rather die fighting, then die without trying to defend myself or my family” says CONJOB Max.
Really?
I got an idea. Carry an anti-war sign — or even wear an anti-war T shirt — and try to get within George WMD Bush’s sight.
When the cops taze you and hit you with their trunchons, pull out your gun.
See how that works out for you.
It’s easy to say, “I’d rather die fighting” when you do nothing except support the powers that be.
“But you can win if you don’t fight back.”
I think that is what Clinton said after the first world trade center bombings and after they blew a hole in our ship. Lib words to die by.
CapnAmerica
Posted February 13, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
Faster link here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Economy
At a Glance
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Trade
Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
Labor
Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
Reform Bankruptcy Laws
Work/Family Balance
Energy
At a Glance
Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050
Invest in a Clean Energy Future
Support Next Generation Biofuels
Set America on Path to Oil Independence
Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030
Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change
Funding Gov’t
At a Glance
Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington
Make the Tax System More Fair and Efficient
Health Care
At a Glance
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
Fight for New Initiatives
More at link above . . .
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In Obama’s vast experience in the Senate, just what legislation did he draft to accomplish any of the above changes?
I know these things he SAYS he WILL do, but what HAS he already DONE?
Change, I know, he will change – so that he can change America. And bring us HOPE!
Didn’t Obama say he was going to bring his Kingdom to America?
Max–
“That will help balance the budget.”
Max, you ignorant slut.
A more educated people mean a more productive people. More savings means more money freed up for investors and job creators.
See, we Libs are not “socialists.” We just want the same incentives for the middle class that rich people get . . .
BTW, who added 4 TRILLION (that’s a four with 12 zeros after it) to the previous 5 Trillion and going down debt after Clinton?
George WMD Bush and his RepubliCON Congress.
“I think that is what Clinton said after the first world trade center bombings and after they blew a hole in our ship. Lib words to die by.”
The perps of the first WTC bombing are in jail (the Blind Sheik) or they were beheaded (by Yemen.)
The Cole incident happened in the last days of Clinton’s presidency and it was not certified as being an al Qaeda attack until George WMD Bush became president.
What did George do about it?
Not a god damned thing.
For that matter, what did Reagan do about the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beruit?
Not a god damned thing.
And the horse you rode in on, Fleetwood.
Obama will ensure savings incentives are fair to all workers by creating a generous savings match for low and middle-income Americans. His plan will match 50 percent of the first $1,000 of savings for families that earn less than $75,000.
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At the company where I work, the company already matches $1 for $1 up to 6% of income.
So will Obama’s plan be in addition to the company match?
No kidding, WSC.
Don’t you just hate Fellatiwood’s smug one-liners that are always just so incredibly stupid.
And he thinks he’s one-upping us with them.
Stupid and sad.
No, Max.
If your company already does it, then you don’t get it.
It’s so self-employed or people in small-biz get the same benefits as people working for Halliburton and Exxon.
Correction: not the same benefits maybe, but somewhat equivalent . . . .
Good post Fleetwood, you are right about that one.
Tom Paine’s video links are on the bottom of yesterday’s open thread.
In one case, the small female bartender is doing her job and the big fat cop 2 or 3 times her size, beats her up (on camera).
In another case, a woman is pulled over for speeding, and the cop without being threatened at all by this woman, throws her out of the car onto the ground.
In the 3rd link, a man is standing on a street in New Orleans not threatening anyone, and several cops jump him and beat the crap out of him, while another cop sits on his horse trying to get in the way of the news camera that is filming the beating.
These people were not threatening ANYONE in ANY way, yet they were beaten by the police.
I will not lay down and die like a lamb. I may die, but I’ll die fighting. And if every citizen puts up a fight, the Government cannot defeat us.
My my, the Libs are so nasty to people…wow, how classy they print.
Nice link above Heckler on the number of Amicus Briefs filed in support of the 2nd Amendment.
Do you know when the Supreme Court is hearing this case?
I think the ruling is expected by May or June.
“I will not lay down and die like a lamb. I may die, but I’ll die fighting. And if every citizen puts up a fight, the Government cannot defeat us.”
Yeah, Max, the most powerful military in the history of the world is going to be defeated by a couple of gun nuts with comparative pop guns in their hands.
And you call US delusional?
Clark you believe that the insurgents are beating the worlds greatest army, so why not a few gun nuts?
See, we Libs are not “socialists.” We just want the same incentives for the middle class that rich people get . .
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Funny Capn, I’m a fan of SNL from the 70’s.
Conservatives also want tax breaks for the middle class. And those tax breaks will give the incentive for people to educate themselves and work hard, since the more money they EARN, the more they will get to KEEP.
That tax break is a great incentive.
To pay for the education beyond High School, is not in the budget.
But you know what, I know hundreds of people with HS diplomas only, who are very successful and making lotsa $$$$.
College isn’t always what it’s cracked up to be.
What’s next, free cars? Free houses?
Ahhhh, Free Healthcare!
sub Clark for Pelosi, i actually don’t know Clark believes that, but I would place a wager on it…
Wow. You should get a Darwin award, Max.
What the police did in those three instances sound illegal and unjust.
However, what you neglect to point out is that they are all alive. If they had pulled out a gun “to defend themselves” against the cops, they’d be dead, and no doubt it would have been made to look like their fault, because after all, “they pulled a gun . . . “
“Clark you believe that the insurgents are beating the worlds greatest army, so why not a few gun nuts?”
The insurgents are beating us? Not a flippin’ chance in Hell.
If the objective was STRICTLY military, as in WW II, this would have been over four years and eleven months ago.
The problem with Iraq is that it is NOT a military issue. It is a political/economic issue for the IRAQIS to solve.
And they have proven – as predicted – that they have NO interest in solving their problems.
Can you and your fellow gun nuts defeat the American military forces?
Yeah sure, right after they NUKE your asses back to the Stone Age.
CapnAmerica
Posted February 13, 2008 at 4:37 pm | Permalink
No, Max.
If your company already does it, then you don’t get it.
It’s so self-employed or people in small-biz get the same benefits as people working for Halliburton and Exxon.
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Oh, so companies who are already matching 401k contributions will have an incentive to STOP matching contributions. Cause the Government will pay for it. Great plan.
The same thing will happen with National Healthcare.
People who think they can keep the private healthcare plans they already have, will be sorely disapointed when their employers pull the plug on their premium care packages. Since the Government is gonna provide it, companies won’t have any incentive to do so. Billions of expenses will be shifted from those mean nasty corporations to Government. Great plan.
Why are you always worrying about “what’s next? free cars, free houses?” Max.
Why don’t you worry about what’s NOW–like the free war in Iraq that only costs us 2 billion a week to be passed on to generations yet unborn?
Or the free money that Exxon–the most profitable company in the world right now–gets by pumping oil that belongs to you and me (offshore oil) for absolutely no cost. Bush “waived” the royalties they normally pay.
Let’s worry about the nightmare reality of war without end in a powder-keg middle eastern country instead of some ridiculous John Birch Society possible scenarios . . .
I don’t believe that they are beating our military either, I do think our Democrats are however. They don’t have the stomach to take care of this properly.
WSClark
Posted February 13, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
“I will not lay down and die like a lamb. I may die, but I’ll die fighting. And if every citizen puts up a fight, the Government cannot defeat us.”
Yeah, Max, the most powerful military in the history of the world is going to be defeated by a couple of gun nuts with comparative pop guns in their hands.
And you call US delusional?
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There’s roughly 100 Million gun owners in the US. Is the Government gonna kill 1/3 of the population?
After a couple of thousand murders of citizens at the hands of Government, there would be a massive revolt – as long as people maintain their Right to Bear Arms.
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
Oh, so companies who are already matching 401k contributions will have an incentive to STOP matching contributions. Cause the Government will pay for it. Great plan.
*****
Gov’t will pay HALF as much as the companies pay. And only up to 1000 dollars.
See if Exxon and Halliburton will get their employees to sign up for that . . .
CapnAmerica
Posted February 13, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
Wow. You should get a Darwin award, Max.
What the police did in those three instances sound illegal and unjust.
However, what you neglect to point out is that they are all alive. If they had pulled out a gun “to defend themselves” against the cops, they’d be dead, and no doubt it would have been made to look like their fault, because after all, “they pulled a gun . . . “
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Except for the power of the camera, you are correct.
James–
Nobody pays any attention to you.
But I’m guessing you’ve heard THAT before . . .
WSClark
Posted February 13, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
“Clark you believe that the insurgents are beating the worlds greatest army, so why not a few gun nuts?”
The insurgents are beating us? Not a flippin’ chance in Hell.
If the objective was STRICTLY military, as in WW II, this would have been over four years and eleven months ago.
The problem with Iraq is that it is NOT a military issue. It is a political/economic issue for the IRAQIS to solve.
And they have proven – as predicted – that they have NO interest in solving their problems.
Can you and your fellow gun nuts defeat the American military forces?
Yeah sure, right after they NUKE your asses back to the Stone Age.
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You assume all the soldiers in the military will follow unlawful orders to attack their own people. There would be many defectors. In fact, I don’t see most the men and women in uniform attacking US citizens.
CapnAmerica
Posted February 13, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink
Why are you always worrying about “what’s next? free cars, free houses?” Max.
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Because you Libs are INCREMENTALLY expanding the role of government to provide more and more Socialist programs.
Adding one here, then another one there, until finally, you have full-blown Socialist Nation just exactly the way you want it.
The fight for Freedom is continuous, and ongoing.
The Socialists taking property from one group and giving to another, are stealing FREEDOM from one group, in order to enslave the other group.
No thanks.
You never hear Democrats talking about Freedom anymore.
Down Website Tracking U.S. Economic Indicators
The U.S. economy is faltering. Family debt is on the rise, benefits are disappearing, the deficit is skyrocketing, and the mortgage crisis has worsened. Conservatives have attempted to deflect attention from the crisis, by blaming the media’s negative coverage and insisting the United States is not headed toward a recession, despite what economists are predicting.
The Bush administration’s latest move is to simply hide the data. Forbes has awarded EconomicIndicators.gov one of its “Best of the Web” awards. As Forbes explains, the government site provides an invaluable service to the public for accessing U.S. economic data:
This site is maintained by the Economics and Statistics Administration and combines data collected by the Bureau of Economic Analysis, like GDP and net imports and exports, and the Census Bureau, like retail sales and durable goods shipments. The site simply links to the relevant department’s Web site. This might not seem like a big deal, but doing it yourself–say, trying to find retail sales data on the Census Bureau’s site–is such an exercise in futility that it will convince you why this portal is necessary.
Yet the Bush administration has decided to shut down this site because of “budgetary constraints,” effective March 1:
Economic Indicators is particularly useful because people can sign up to receive e-mails as soon as new economic data across government agencies becomes available. While the data will still be available online at various federal websites, it will be less readily accessible to members of the public.
In its e-mail announcement on the closing of Economic Indicators, the Department of Commerce acknowledged the “inconvenience” and offered “a free quarterly subscription to STAT-USA®/Internet™” instead. Once this temporary subscription runs out, however, the public will be forced to pay a fee. So not only will economic data be more hidden, it will also cost money.
It’s ironic that the Economic and Statistics Administration is facing “budgetary contraints,” considering Bush recently submitted a record $3.1 trillion budget to Congress for FY ‘09.
Gee, now if you Republican gun freaks would fight for your OTHER rights as much as a darn gun which will do you NO good against our military (unless you’re able to own ALL arms, which nobody on the gun rights side has ever said), we might still be a free country.
Gee, if you read Max’s posts, it looks as if Max really WANTS a war with the government!! How absolutely Treasonous of him… Max, you read the Turner Diaries lately??? Your rantings sound like much of the background basis of that book!!
Sort of a cross between neo-facist, and John Birch Society… what a mixture!! A blow-up waiting to happen!! LOL Max, ya just got too much time on your hands for thinking!!
Interesting CraponAmerica,
I haven’t posted on this thread since about 8:30 am.
Guess your paranoid delusions are getting the best of you that you attribute other posters to me.
Of course, I know you do it on purpose. Shows what a simplified and shallow mind you have.
“The fight for Freedom is continuous, and ongoing.”
Such haughty words from at best a mid management toady and at worst a sock puppet.
Where were you when the “Patriot”act was enacted?
Well JR, I take care of me and my own without putting my hand out to government for SCHIPS or any other welfare program.
Just keep holding your hand out JR and at the same time, insult those who feed you.
Your gravy train cannot last forever.
You must not ever stray far from the computer there “Max”.
I know another poster like that.
Yeah JR, you are here so infrequently.
I work 50 to 60 hour weeks on salary. How about you?
I post a little before I work, a little at lunch, and I have ALWAYS posted in the evening.
“I work 50 to 60 hour weeks on salary. ”
I don’t buy it. And if I’m wrong I’ll say so.
But if true? Damn guy I want your job! 50-60 hours a week AND all the blogging you can do around the clock? You’re either a liar or one helluva delagator.
I know what I believe.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/open-thread-213/#comment-293040
Yea, thats your post… addressed to somebody who hasnt posted anything here today… very cute, Reggie
JR, you couldn’t BEGIN to do what I do every day! Not in your wildest dreams.
LOL!
32 million people get a check from Social Security monthly. 32 million! Not 1 of us, the “Baby Boomers” who retired or the Disabled or their Beneficaries will get a “Stimulus Check”. 32 million being told “NO” by Obama, McCain, Clinton, Congress, and President Bush. Huckabee did not sign this. He did not tell 32 million Americans they are beneath the rest. Huckabee did not demean us. TYhe rest did. Herbert West III, Disability Retired Paramedic, 32 million American Citizens and myself wont help stimulate your country. We just live here. An UNEQUAL AMERICAN ASBEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HLWIII, west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
Shucks Herb, looks like you have nobody to vote FOR either.
Pick the least evil and go for that one.
That’s the problem with these Socialist handouts, dammit, not everyone can get a check FROM the government.
Somebody has to send a check TO the government.
It’s such a shame when government issues a tax CUT like this in the middle of the year, and some people who DON’T PAY ANY TAXES, don’t get a tax cut!
Wow! Go figure.
You’re right “Max” I don’t have near the free time your busy schedule allows for blogging.
Adios Hillary!
Obama Camp Claims Potomac Sweep Is Turning Point of Campaign
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, February 13, 2008
In the civil war of the Democratic nominating season, Tuesday night’s Potomac Primary was Gettysburg.
That’s the argument Barack Obama’s campaign was making Wednesday, saying the Illinois senator’s three-contest sweep of the Virginia, Maryland and Washington D.C. primaries marked a “decisive” turning point in his battle with Hillary Clinton.
Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said on a conference call that it is now “next to impossible” for Clinton to close Obama’s lead in pledged delegates.
“We couldn’t be in a stronger position right now, and the last really five days, we believe, will be looked back at as a very decisive period in the nomination contest,” Plouffe said. “We think it really put us on the path to the nomination.”
I don’t think any one is going to take FOX “news” second hand reports from Obama operatives on the imminent demise of the Clinton campaign there “Max”.
March 4, 2008 is D-Day for Hillary. 3 more weeks of that witch!
The Fat Lady will Sing the day after.
Now, it is quite possible that whatever dirt Hillary has on Barrack, will be unleashed en masse in the next couple of days.
If there are any blackmail photos, we will see them very soon.
Obama said on the radio today that when he is president he will seek to roll back tax cuts on the 1 and 2 percent of the richest Americans (think Paris Hilton) and give tax breaks for everyone making less than 75,000 dollars a year.
He will also any retiree to make up to 50 thousand a year income-tax free. They won’t even have to file.
So, how do you like it, CONs. If tax breaks are so effing great for the rich, how about for the rest of us?
I love it . . .
Wow, big news. Former Bill Clinton campaign manger endorses – Obama!
Maybe Hillary can run as an Independent.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvzT8keHzVS3YjP8BJDDrf64A_AwD8UPOVKO3
Clinton Ex-Campaign Manager Backs Obama
By PHILIP ELLIOTT – 1 hour ago
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The man who served as national manager of former President Clinton’s 1992 campaign endorsed Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday.
David Wilhelm, who led the campaign and later became chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said Obama had the unique ability to encourage cooperation as a 65-percent president after the divisive years of a 51-percent majority. He was referring to the notion that Obama could govern the country with the support of a large coalition, as opposed to more polarized support for President Bush.
Max, you have never met JR… So, you cant say with any honesty that JR couldnt do what you do…. work wise… So, maybe you ought to take back that pronouncement, or some of us will see that as one obvious huge LIE!!
I don’t beleive it Capn.
Barrack never voted for tax cuts in his life. He can promise anything, but he hasn’t delivered in the past.
Actually I can tell much from someone’s writing skills Chas.
And how do you know I never met him?
Gotta love it, CapN!!
The way JR types to you… you’ve never met him… I have met him… And you cant tell from somebody’s writing skills what he can do on the job… You still strike out Max!!
“Max” (And I still say you are James)
I’m interested. Why is it you prefer Obama to Clinton?
Do you see him as malleable for folks like you?
See? Among the cons, I didn’t have a preference.
I wonder why it is that so many cons prefer Obama to Clinton.
And unless and until I understand it, I cannot vote for Obama.
“Abortionists are simply using blacks for power and
wealth, the same way much of the black clergy, black
politicians and liberal elite whites have used blacks
for years.”
. . . Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, on the targeting of
the black race by racist abortionist quacks
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A newborn boy remained on life support Tuesday, after being delivered prematurely in a Houston, TX hospital toilet and tossed into a garbage can Saturday, to be found later by a custodian. The mother, Genny Granados, 29, from El Salvador, a mother of two other children ages 2 and 10, was charged with felony injury to a child.
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Vanessa Robinson, 22, of Pakota, IN is on trial this week for murder and neglect, after police found her newborn boy dead in a beer carton in the basement of her home. She had concealed her pregnancy, but had to be treated for infection after giving live birth.
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What would make a mother, regardless of her race, feel that her children are worthless? (Other than 35 years of legalized, profitable infanticide.)
“What would make a mother, regardless of her race, feel that her children are worthless?”
Hmmm…
Maybe half a population and an entire political party devoted to the idea that health care for all is bad?
The same folks who want to eliminate welfare?
You are fighting the battle in exactly the wrong direction there parkay. But I don’t expect you to figure that out.
Oh and by the way parkay?
If a woman is denied a right to choose, as you and yours seek, stories like your two will multiply into the thousands.
JR,
Obama and Hillary are nearly identical on the issues.
Iraq is a big difference, in favor of Obama. To me, this is offset by Obama’s flip flopping on Pakistan, and some of the IGNORANT comments he has made on Pakistan.
Obama is likeable. That’s probably the biggest plus for him. All politicians are dishonest, but Hillary appears to be extremely dishonest and is the biggest flipper on the issues I have ever seen.
Barrack has a much smoother delivery, keeps a much cooler head, and doesn’t cry all the time, in public anyway.
Hillary is NOT likeable. Nothing is genuine about her. She has to severely strain herself to even appear friendly.
It’s a coin toss, I don’t know how you Dems split hairs on either one.
Democrats would have to be terribly dense to have someone with high negative ratings as their nominee.
But please do nominate Hillary.
Obama might actually fool enough people to vote for him.
I’ve already said, I’m not FOR any candidate now. It’s voting against the MOST evil.
And that would be either Hillary or Barrack.
McCain Sucks. But Hillary and Barrack suck more.
I hear from Democrat friends who support Hillary, the biggest, and in some cases the ONLY reason why they are for Hillary, is to get Bill back in the White House.
So if you want to vote for a President because you like their spouse, go ahead.
But for the guys out there, really, the best candidates were Kuccinich and Thompson!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/open-thread-213/#comment-293040
Writing to somebody not even ON THE THREAD… about a subject that isnt even being talked about… Jamesey, you got your coffee yet?? LOL
Chas, he who lives in a glass house, should not throw stones.
Judge not less thou be judged.
Max writes, incorrectly >>>>
“Hillary appears to be extremely dishonest and is the biggest flipper on the issues I have ever seen.”
And why is that Max?? Because you have MADE her appear dishonest… Most of your allegations are pure drivel!! Gotta love it…
Keep spinning Max… you will fall off of your hover round!! LOL
Ummm Max, since when is pointing out Regular’s faux pax, judging him?? hmmm???
Yeah, I am waiting for Max and his fellow gun nuts to take on the American military………..
And it won’t make a damn bit of difference if a few soldiers do not follow orders.
One, treason against the United States is still against the law. Soldiers WILL follow the lawful orders to quell any treason.
Two, they would just bomb your silly asses into eternity.
Whadda ya gonna do when that Stealth Bomber flies over head at 35,000 feet and drops a bomb on your head, Max?
Ya gonna take a shot at them with your .45?
LOL Clark… now I dont care who ya are, thats just plain funny!! LOL
I am still waiting on Max to get a grip on his definition of Socialism… hasnt happened yet… I wont live long enough to see that, I dont think… LOL
Chas, Clark, my bud J R, I for 3 mature men you guys have the reasoning skills of a spoiled, snotty, 14 year old girl….Wow!
Sorry, McCreepy, but your comment is just so much Repuke bullshit.
But, carry on.
ANTI??? I dont give a darn WHAT your opinion is… since you are a persona non grata!!
Max blogs here all day, every day, slamming Socialism, and cant even provide a working definition… THAT is not poor logic, ANTI… THAT is issuing Max a legitimate challenge… Since he is WRONG!!
ANTI — What reasoning skills have YOU demonstrated here, other than use of ad hominem attacks… constant ad hominem attacks… Is that all you KNOW?? or is it all you are capable of??
what?? you know I don’t speak spanish!
Now, Clark, you know James only uses one nic… he tells us that every day!! ad infinitum, ad nauseum!! ROFL
LOL — you dont do so good with English either!!
Of course, nobody has used spanish, so, i guess that comment is more of your inbred brilliance!!
Has anyone else noticed that there are fewer and fewer “Regular” posts and a lot more posts from “new” right wing folks?
Kinda of funny…………………….
As I predicted, McCreepy has melted down and is now looking for a new nic to hide behind.
Sooner or later, one of the “new” posters will be outed as McCluer.
Bet on it.
you guys are always so pissed off you can’t discuss anything without a snotty elitist attitude. You know the type that sips scotch and water and tell people how to live, and doesn’t want responsibility to lie with the individual.
I know this is hard Clark but this blog isn’t yours, it is open to the public. And your kook thinking isn’t as common as you would like to think.
“I know this is hard Clark but this blog isn’t yours, it is open to the public.”
Jeez, McCreepy, I have a freakin’ receipt, so it must be MINE.
Wacko.
When did I ever say it was MY blog, moron?
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh……………
What a maroon.
“You know the type that sips scotch and water”
And I have never drank Scotch in my life. Ever.
Dumbass.
ah the Lib hate….it is just right there on the surface. Put your make-up back on clark it helps hide it……Just joking tuff guy
Ok clark, I am sorry I got the scotch part wrong
Sorry, McCreepy, but you’ll need a lot more than just makeup to make yourself look like a human.
Maybe a head transplant would help.
Then again, maybe not.
And you were saying, Clark??? LOL
How Enron Worked the President!
(This is an interesting bit of information that you don’t hear much about.)
1. Enron’s chairman did meet with the president and the vice president in the Oval Office.
2. Enron gave $420,000 to the president’s party over three years.
3. It donated $100,000 to the president’s inauguration festivities.
4. The Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times.
5. The corporation had access to the administration at its highest level and even enlisted the Commerce and State Departments to grease deals for it.
6. The taxpayer-supported Export-Import Bank subsidized Enron for more than $600 million in just one transaction.
Scandalous!!
BUT..the president under whom all this happened WASN’T George W. Bush.
SURPRISE!
It was President Bill Clinton!
Pass this on so the whole Country will know. The Media Won’t!
ARE WE REALLY READY FOR MRS. CLINTON?
Well I see the blog discussion has deteriorated into a name-calling, flame and attack again this evening.
And I see the regulars who are always involved are all here.
I’ll check back another time, when a decent discussion on opinions might be had.
Good stuff Boxlock
And I suppose you have some back-up for that long list of drivel??
But I would assume that kind of thing is common among most administrations
And boxlock, the relevance of your post to Hillary is what?? That she was married to a former president?? SHE didnt make any policy… because SHE was First Lady!! So, what, pray tell, kind of connection are you trying to make, except some weird, strange form of flaming??
For something more relevant, see the connections between Bush and Abramhoff… or Bush and Haliburton… or Bush and the Carlysle group… Try those on for size, Boxy
Do those decent discussions happen when you are around AmWay?? I cant recall any!! LOL
“Well I see the blog discussion has deteriorated into a name-calling, flame and attack again this evening.”
You mean like McCreepy calling me a Heebie because my grandfather was Jewish?
Eh?
Or accusing me of being gay because I support gay rights?
Eh?
Or of saying that I weigh 400 pounds even though he wouldn’t know me if he say me on the street?
Eh?
You mean, like that?
Why is it all you Republics get so indignant and high and mighty about the tone of the Blog, but you NEVER condemn one of your own?
Eh?
Why is that?
Dumbasses.
and don’t forget dumbasses, maroon, and ignorant slut, and on and on. (you and your own)
Thanks Anti,
Ya know I am beginning to wonder if I have some perverse masochistic side to me, coming back to these blogs to read time and again. Nothing is ever new. Just as American Way said; “Well I see the blog discussion has deteriorated into a name-calling, flame and attack again this evening.
And I see the regulars who are always involved are all here.”
And, the DemLib/Socialists are so boringly predictable. One can throw out almost anything as bait and they go after it like a bunch of starving sea gulls after a dropped French Fry….uck, what a way to live. We’ll see what I catch this time, but for now I’m out’a here to Google the web.
Nice reminder Boxlock on the Clinton/Enron scandal.
The libs here just wear their rose colored glasses and ignore any bad news about their wunnerful Demo party.
Sounds like Hillary is history anyway, unless she winds up being Obama’s VP. If that happens, Obama will have to watch his back for sure.
They’re hypocrisy is endless. I find them entertaining. But I do enjoy the serious debates when present.
ANTI and Boxhead – prove to me that you are NOT McCreepy.
Otherwise, I just have to assume that you are one more incarnation of McCluer.
Dumbasses.
Well lockbox, I mean boxlock, your boy bush would make any contributions to Clinton look like chump change. Granted, Kenney Boy did receive much more for his money, towit:
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Almost 30 years have elapsed since the “third rate burglary” of the Democratic National Committee headquarters on June 17, 1972 that opened the dam of the Watergate scandal. The press and members of Congress largely ignored the crime, as then President Richard M. Nixon kept the nation’s focus on the war in Vietnam.
Similarly, with the press and Congress distracted by President George W. Bush’s war in Afghanistan, they are ignoring another scandal. No third rate burglary, the Enron Corp. scandal involves millions of dollars in campaign contributions to Bush, U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm and other members of Congress. The cozy relationship between the Bush White House and Enron enabled Kenneth L. Lay, then Enron’s CEO, to meet in secret with Vice President Richard Cheney to help mold the nation’s energy policy. Bush’s presidential campaign received $1.14 million from Enron.
Shortly after taking office, President Bush waged a battle against the imposition of federal price controls in California that allowed Enron to price-gouge consumers by extending the energy crisis in California, costing the state billions of dollars. Enron reported increased revenues of almost $70 billion from the previous year.
Bush also resisted attempts to crack down on Enron’s utilization of its 847 offshore subsidiaries in countries with lax banking-regulation laws. The consumer-rights watchdog organization Public Citizen alleges that some of these offshore havens helped Enron defraud its stockholders.
WSClark
Posted February 13, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink
ANTI and Boxhead – prove to me that you are NOT McCreepy.
Otherwise, I just have to assume that you are one more incarnation of McCluer.
Dumbasses.
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Nice self-indicting post.
Clark, how is that even possible. I thought that I could on last night’s post but overlooked a huge loophole that was soon pointed out. Prove your WSClark! I am who I say I am and that isn’t James.
“Prove your WSClark!”
That should be “prove that you’re WSClark” or “prove that you are WSClark.”
My name is William Stephenson Clark and I have the birth certificate to prove it.
But if you want to check, look up the records for Knox County, Kentucky, June 1952.
And there I am!!!!!
“Nice self-indicting post.”
Huh?
Have you been smoking some “medicinal” marijuana, Max?
What the Hell does that mean?
Dumbass.
Sorry, that just comes naturally to me. You probably aren’t a dumbass – just an idiot.
I think it is time for another blog meetup.
I’d make a rule though, everyone MUST present their screen name/s.
Sorry for the spelling, it has been a long day. And I am also not going to put my legal name out on a public blog for reasons you should understand.
WS?
You are feeding an insane person (James Mcluer)
It is my take he is responsible for every con post here since 8:18PM.
Let him rant and invent nics into the night. Trust me it will be amusing. I’ve seen it before.
If you want I can find a court house record and post that as my name and DOB. That doesn’t prove anything- you should know that.
“And I am also not going to put my legal name out on a public blog for reasons you should understand.”
McCreepy condemns ANYONE that does not use his or her real name as being a COWARD.
Of course, he doesn’t use HIS real name, but that is beside the point.
McCreepy says that you are a spineless wimp and a sissy if you do not use your real name as a nic.
So, take it up with him.
You know, they guy that is REAL concerned about the size of another posters testicles.
That is why we call him McCreepy.
Max posted February 13, 2008 at 10:41 pm
“Nice reminder Boxlock on the Clinton/Enron scandal.
The libs here just wear their rose colored glasses and ignore any bad news about their wunnerful Demo party.”
I guess Boxlock and Max wear blindfolds, except for when they paste, or admire falsehoods.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/enron.asp
IF we do another meetup political mama, it will be back channel.
I don’t think you will see the Eagle editors ever having another meetup until they are sure James is confined and getting the help he needs.
“If you want I can find a court house record and post that as my name and DOB. That doesn’t prove anything- you should know that.”
Huh?
You wanna see my driver’s license? Do ya want me to post my SS Number?
I know who I am – who the fork are you?
I have posted frequently about my heritage – that is where McCreepy lurks about to try to discredit my heritage.
So why should I believe that you are NOT McCreepy?
I understand why you would call him that, but what I am saying is that I could say I was Jesus H. Christ, born 0, and that wouldn’t make me Jesus.
I don’t care to see that info clark, it really doesn’t matter all that much to me.
And why would your heritage matter, I don’t agree with you because of what you say, not because of your name or heritage.
“And why would your heritage matter”
Only because McCreepy says that I am not Jewish (never said I was, I said that I am of partial Jewish heritage) I am not Native American (I never said I was, I said that I have NA ancestors) and that I am not black (I never said I was, I said that I had African American ancestors.)
I only mention these facts because McCreepy is INSISTENT that everyone HAS to use their real name when posting – everybody EXCEPT him.
But it is kinda funny that you suddenly show up, espouse a right wing point of view and our late unlamented friend McCreepy is nowhere to be found.
That is his usual MO – meltdown, then reappear under a new nic.
But who am I to judge – just ask anyone else.
They all know his story.
I can see your caution, but that is not me. I do have right wing views I admit. And I have changed my nic once from ANTI J R to ANTI, just because I felt guilty for isolating J R.
That’s about all for me tonight
So, did anybody read the Snopes.com piece on the phony Enron story posted earlier??
Sure says a lot about those who would post such a piece of garbage as that…
Sheesh WS you are being played by a mental defective.
I’m gonna lose a lot of respect for you if you keep feeding him.
I’m out.
oh, and that ancestry/heritage is similar to my own and I would guess a great many people in this country.
Ah, but you SOUND so much like McCreepy……….
Just like JM sounded like RepubliKhan, who sounded like TT, who sounded like Eagle Beak, who sounded like Republican, who sounded like Kansas, who sounded like James McCluer who sounded like Regular, etc, etc, etc.
The list goes on and on and on.
And the flaming yahoo ADMITS to multiple nics, nic switching, nic stealing, trolling, etc.
And does anyone wonder why every right winger is immediately suspect?
Yeah…………………
Once bitten, twice shy.
something for you J R before I leave
http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Hilary%20Castro.jpg
“I’m gonna lose a lot of respect for you if you keep feeding him.”
Oh, Hell, J R, you already said that you have no respect for me since I am a Barack Obama supporter.
How much more respect can you lose?
well, sorry clark but that doesn’t change the fact that James and myself are two different people.
That’s just plain STUPID ANTI!!
lmao! What a dope WSClark is.
Wastes all evening convinced that another poster is me.
Sorry, I’ve been doing 3D work mostly all day and all evening.
What a dweebed out loser WSClark is.
Point taken WS.
For all I know you are just another puppet.
‘night.
“Wastes all evening convinced that another poster is me”
Hey McCreepy, still FASCINATED about the size of other men’s testicles? Do you often ask other guys about their nut sacks? Spend much time measuring yours to see if it meets standard?
You are one very, very creepy dude, McCluer.
I have met literally thousands of guys in my lifetime and not ONE, not even ONE has asked me about my balls.
You are a creepy SOB.
But! I am sure that you mother loves you.
She just doesn’t know about your obsession with male genatalia.
Creepy, McCluer, you are VERY creepy.
“For all I know you are just another puppet.”
J R, do you remember when I offered to have a computer built for you – do ya?
I’ll look it up for you.
Now you fling shit like that at me?
Fair weather Democrat……………………
Stop crying WSClark and go to bed. Crying and whining about stuff over a year ago.
Jeez, what a baby.
Get mad at the world WSClark, you’ll need another excuse not to show up at the next meet-up.
Melt down time for WSClark…
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
“Melt down time for WSClark…”
You are the all time KING of meltdowns McCreepy. You are the bonehead that keeps files of what everyone EVER has EVER said about you or anything else.
You meltdown every few months (or less) and that is why you constantly switch nics – you try to HIDE behind a new nic because you are ASHAMED of what you have said under your old nic.
But, sooner or later, we all figure out that it is just the old McCreepy back again under a “new” identity.
New nic, same old McCreepy.
James, still checking out the nut sacks of guys you meet?
Pervert.
“Get mad at the world WSClark, you’ll need another excuse not to show up at the next meet-up.”
I do not go to Blog meets because I do not care to associate with creepy sons-of-bitches like you.
I have made that well known.
I don’t need to make an excuse – I DO NOT WANT TO MEET PERVERTS LIKE YOU!
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh……………..
My puke factor is relatively low when dealing with scum like you.
“Sorry, I’ve been doing 3D work mostly all day and all evening.”
What name did you give to your “3D” blow up doll, McCreepy?
Hillary? Laura? Ann?
Did you all have a “good” time?
Ummmm Clark??? That might not be JR… ya know?? Ahem…. Doesnt look right on the typing… K???
Well, Regular, have fun on the Blog… I got many appts tomorrow…
Good night; Good luck; and God bless;
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings All!!
Good night ya’ll, pleasant dreams, except you McCreepy.
McCreepy and his “3D” blow up dolls will have their VERY own dreams.
Washes hands – throws up – cleans off computer.
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Heckler
Posted February 13, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
Steven
And Reich’s solution……..wealth transfer. Big surprise. Oh, and better schools.
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Sory, Heckler (such an appropriate name, by the way – have always wanted to tell you that). Re-read the article, we will give you a chance for a make-up test.
Stooge.
Sory = Sorry
Apologies, I was being stooge-like myself.
“Apologies, I was being stooge-like myself.”
Rarely happens, just ask my wife. On second thought maybe we should not do that.
Thank God for Snopes, it counters the Dopes!
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