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Capn…does your hypocrisy ever bother you? It seems you have no qualms about carping at the Republican vote/caucuses/candidates. Yet, when people who are not Dems post something about the Democratic primaries, your post is:
“When we want the opinions of reich-wingers about what we should do in our party, we’ll ask for them.

The only thing we’re asking is for people like you to shut up about what we do in our party.”

So, it is do as you say, but not as you do? Your hypocrisy is pathetic. You are so driven by hate that you fail to see the idiocy of your own contradictions.

GM offering buyouts to 74000 workers, so they can replace them with workers at half rate. This is the New World Order of the bushies.

Pleefer
Posted February 12, 2008 at 6:25 am | Permalink
Here’s something to read. I doubt anyone will though.

I did! Thanks for posting that. I can’t wait to show it to my growing Ron Paul army. :-D

Pleef, I did read. My main concern was bookmarking RP’s book.
Thanky kindly.

Religion of Peace update

From Agence France-Presse (hat tip: Elder of Ziyon):

A young Iranian man has been sentenced to hang for repeatedly drinking alcohol which is strictly banned in the Islamic republic, the Etemad newspaper reported on Wednesday.

The 22-year-old, identified only as Mohsen, was handed down the death penalty by a criminal court after being found guilty of drinking alcohol for a fourth time, the daily said.

“The defendant in this case has been sentenced to death and the official notification will be given soon,” it quoted Judge Jalil Jalili as saying.

So apparently Shariah law provides for a three-drink limit.

Since Regular-Taz-AmWay-Right Angle-Pat Herron-Tap Herroni goes by so many nics these days, I will henceforth be referring to him as The Saddict just to make things easier.

Saddict–

We Dems get to nominate our person our way and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Thanking you advance for f***ing off.

Yup, outlander.

It’s the same mind-set you Christian Taliban have about drug use here:

“Dead men don’t smoke pot.”

I thought that was only in comedy clubs.

No, there it is a three drink MINIMUM.

Oh. Sorry Capn. I heard you quit lying yesterday. My mistake.

You smoke pot? Ya need to learn to cook better.

Was it in today’s paper about pro/con medicinal marijuana pissing contest going on? With today’s chem industry, it’s no longer needed for rope (Though I did meet an old man who lived atop a mountain in W. Vir. who grew it for that reason), but i could see hemp shirts and jeans.

“Make the most of the Indian hemp seed,
and sow it everywhere!”
George Washington
Note to the gardener at Mount Vernon, 1794
“The Writings of George Washington”
Volume 33, page 270 (Library of Congress)

So, Capn..by your kind words, I can assume you will not post anything about Republican primaries again? Or, does your directive only apply one way?

And, you moron, how many times do you have to be told that I am not any of the others you falsely accuse me of being? I don’t know what pleasure you get from such lies, but it is getting lame. You have aboslutely nothing to base your claims on other than the horrifying fact that there might be more than one person on the planet that doesn’t accept your twisted hatred as fact.

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed onto them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”- Ronald Reagan

Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the question: is it political? Vanity asks the question: is it popular? But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor political, nor popular — but one must take it simply because it is right. — Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sol very good thoughts to start my day with. It can only get better from here.

Amway, you were asking for information on Superdelegates yesterday. Here’s what I found.

Delegate and Superdelegate totals:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Looks like there are 2003 Total Delegates and 796 Total Superdelegates. That would be 2799 Total Delegates.

The Superdelegates then account for 28% of the Total Delegate count.

The 796 elitist individuals who are Superdelegates could OVERRIDE the popular vote even if Obama was ahead by 27%!!!!

Say Obama gets 63% of the popular vote and Clinton gets 37% of the popular vote, if all Superdelegates were bought, blackmailed, or otherwise forced to vote for Clinton, then Clinton gets the nomination!

Here’s a prettier more easily read list of the Superdelegates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Democratic_Party_Superdelegates

Now need to see if anyone has researched the background of these 796 elitists.

How many of them were cons that were pardoned by Bill Clinton?

How many of them had their FBI file reviewed in the Oval Office by Billary?

I might have missed it, but I didn’t see Norman Hsu on the list.

Very good article on the Superdelegate process:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/berman

No matter what happens with the superdelegates this year, it’s unsettling to have a large bloc of party officials who are not answerable to the party’s electorate. “I certainly think their influence should be curtailed,” Hart says.

Bar Stool Economics

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until on e day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying cu stomers?How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the te nth man,’ but he got $10!’

‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’

‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’

‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

but J R then you would have to pay YOUR OWN way…I just don’t see you doing that. Remember if a leach kills it’s host it dies.

James try not to be too impressed with that rather tired old story.

Oh and I DO pay my own way. You don’t.

I’d rather go back to pre Reagan tax tables.

Or maybe even pre Kennedy tax tables.

See for some people, money is like a disease. Once they’ve got plenty they can’t get enough. Then they get to enjoying having power over other people’s livelihood.

Oh and by the way that old story is flawed on so many levels. Not the least of which is men #10 and 9 have so little contact with the real world they’re not in a bar somewhere. THEY are sipping their beer at the country club.

“Cut social programs or dive deeper into debt?”

You can cut the social programs when you give me back the $75K plus that I paid into Social Security and the same amount that my employers paid on my behalf.

I’ll be waiting by the mailbox.

Rather than cut “social programs”………….

End the War on Iraq $200 billion.

Cut in half the number of foreign military bases $200 billion.

Raise the retirement age and means test social security benefits $50 billion.

Etc………………………………

Oh and what about men 1-4?

Well 1 is waiting the table on the other 9. 2 is tending bar. 3 might have a chance to grab a sip of the beer he is delivering to the bar. And man #4 has to order a coke because he is driving the delivery truck.

End the War on Iraq $200 billion.

Amen brother.

Cut in half the number of foreign military bases $200 billion.

Why stop there? Cut them all. We need to defend OUR borders, not theirs.

How about foreign welfare programs? How about corporate welfare programs? Cut em all.

Department of education? don’t have figures but I am betting in the billions.

Home land security [sic] ? Hasta leugo.

Keep it rollin WS, you’re on the right track !!!

I’m so honored I irk James enough to get him to post as “anti J R”.

May we expect an “anti Capn” too?

And who says I want everyone poor? Was everyone poor before the Reagan tax cuts? And the cons LOVE to tell us how great the 50’s were.

Of course they long for the social differences in that time and not the economics.

I don’t think the US resembled a third world country prior to the Kennedy tax cuts.

Jeez, I just buy a twelve pack of beer named after our current president – Busch Lite – and stay at home.

No DUI’s, no moral issues with driving after drinking, the beer is cheaper, no smoky barrooms filled with rednecks or morons, no closing hour romances, no need to tip the waiter.

Works for me.

You and me both WS.

I don’t think I’d enjoy the company of the upper half of the group in that story.

J R, I was simply trying to understand why you seem to HATE anyone who has more than you, even if they worked their tail off for it. And I am not this “James” you speak of.

1-4 are the guys working 60 hour weeks for minimum wage for #10, while they and their kids slowly starve and sicken, dying at an early age so #10 can sit on his 100′ yacht.

C’mon, the story doesn’t relate. the 1st four folk don’t have the time or means to make full use of the benefits that #10 can.

“No coyote love????”

Been there, done that, missing an arm.

Here’s my short list of government programs/agencies
that we get rid of.
Nato,
Selective Service
War on Drugs, lots programs there
ATF
FCC
Not funding the Dem and Rep conventions other than secruity.
IRS and the Income Tax

“This linky shows that four years ago today, polls were saying Kerry would easily be able to beat bush.”

Kerry would have beaten Bush if hadn’t run the worst presidential campaign in American history.

Kerry got the nomination then turned into a pink tutu Democrat.

J R, I bet you sleep with the lights on. Let me tell you a little secret.. The “Boogey Man” is not real.

History channel is showing an appropriate show. Baloney plant in Wichita.

The WE Blog really needs to get with the program and use a registration system to prevent the multiple nic morons from clogging up the arteries.

They need a one person, one nic system and to reject all posts from proxy servers.

Of course, if they did that, half of the Right Wing posters would disappear.

Thankfully.

“Too bad I haven’t been online for a few hours to enjoy the fun.”

Right, even heroin junkies have to sober up long enough to score a fix.

man..your hate just oozes from your every pore, doesn’t it? Now you claim that someone who doesn’t agree with your holy opinion is a heroin addict? Based on what? Other than your hate, that is?

“Now you claim that someone who doesn’t agree”

McCoward regularly (pun intended) states that I weigh 400 pounds, etc, etc, etc.

He also regularly (again) disparages my ethnic heritage.

He also freely admits to using multiple nics, nic switching, nic stealing, trolling, etc.

So, WTF?

Why do you defend someone that has openly admitted that he wants to destroy the blog for liberals?

For the literal-minded, I was referring to The Saddict’s seeming inability to do anything except blog all day and night.

I’m guessing The Saddict never even changes out of his bathrobe and slippers.

LOL
I’m guessing The Saddict never even changes out of his bathrobe and slippers.

I have to admit, I’m basically attired like that. But, it’s effectively 10:30 for me. And I’d only gotten 6 hours sleep the last two days–total. I better try to get some sleep.

CraponAmerica is just compensating for his shriveled testicles.

“Don’t pop a vein Clarkie”

I am in a lot better shape than you, McCoward, mentally and physically.

You are the jerk off that regularly (again) melts down and has to change nics to cover his ass.

Awesome guys, thanks for reading that! This so-called revolution is just beginning much to the dismay of most neo-cons.

Why is it you always have something else to do when Blog meetups come about Clarkie?

Can’t fit into a double wide or are you too far away from your hootch?

“Why is it you always have something else to do when Blog meetups come about Clarkie?”

Simple – I choose not to spend my time with right wing idiots like you, Hank and Nathan.

Easy enough.

Why would I waste my precious time with fools and haters like you when I could spend it with friends and family?

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WSClark
Posted February 12, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

“WS who is a liar.”

Show me where I have lied – go for it.
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WSClark
Posted February 12, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

“Why would I waste my precious time with fools and haters like you when I could spend it with friends and family?”

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There’s one.

J R, I am here to help you. The only one “holding you down” is yourself. It has been proven throughout history that making people feel like victims is the easiest way to divert their attention and control them. “The victims” are too busy blaming others for their problems and looking for conspiracies to prove their victimhood to notice that they are being used. You are not a victim J R, if you would hold yourself responsible for your life you could achieve great things. It is a simple philosophy, but hard for most people to grasp. No one is out to get you. You are the one holding yourself back, not the “Rich White Man”. Believing this has put many people in the control of others.

“There’s one.”

Huh? THOSE were my reasons for not attending the WE Blog meet……………

“I am leaving this blog and never coming back”

Copy and paste………….. in context.

“You are making assumptions”

What assumptions am I making, AmWay?

Eh?

Gee captain, IF obama wins the nomination, I wonder what you will say about him when the swiftboating starts and mccain beats him like a drum?

Beware republicans who say they support democrats.

And ya know Clark, I dont believe the poster known as regular has even shown up at a meetup.

Taz
Posted February 12, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink
“I am leaving this blog and never coming back”

sound familiar, WS?

The strange thing is that Taz wasn’t even here when WSClark wrote that.

However, Regular and his many sock puppets was.

What does Clinton have to hide? Notice how she always counters an attack with a counter attack. Meeeeooooowwwww!

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/12/clinton-resists-calls-to-release-tax-returns-hits-obama-on-ties-to-contributors/

Clinton Resists Calls to Release Tax Returns,
Hits Obama on Ties to Contributors
by Associated Press
Tuesday, February 12, 2008

WASHINGTON — Resisting calls from Barack Obama to release her income tax returns, Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday she would only do so if she secures the Democratic presidential nomination and contended her rival had been less than candid about his relationship with major campaign contributors.

Sock Puppets.

Is that ALL you Libs have to write about?

Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you.

Chas what is your facination with Regular? You seem very infatuated with him.

If he offends you somehow, can you not just ignore him and leave him alone?

Or do you really have a thing for him?

You should know that well, Max… You do it EVERY DAY!!!

And speaking of every day, Max, your posts take on the same style and tone of the infamous infomercials… Same old stuff, day after day, after day… Trying to make readers think it is just stuff you think up on the spot… like the infomercial tries to make people think it is a REAL TV show!! LOL

Goodluck with that, Max…. Who pays for your commercial time??

Max, show us your definition of “super delegate” ok??

Obama and Che Guevara?

Say it ain’t so. Obama, chew got sum splanin to do !!!

http://www.anorak.co.uk/politicians/180630.html

It’s “Che Guevara, Fidel Castro’s old comrade in Communist terror”.

Heck Sol, it’s no surprise that Obama’s campaign office would have a huge banner of a famous Communist proudly displayed on the wall.

The Socialist Democrats are not too far apart from the Communists.

Many of the left wingers on this blog are so far left, they won’t see anything wrong with that.

Funny how times change. Wasn’t Lee Harvey Oswald a Communist?

He was photographed in New Orleans handing out Marxist literature. He visited Moscow in an attempt to defect, but was rejected by the former USSR. His wife was Russian.

And now the Democrats have joined the Red Party.

JM….to your disappointment, I WAS here when WS wrote that (and thank you for the confirmation), just not posting. My job situation has changed making it much easier to post.

No, Max, you’re not a trick pony… well, maybe a one-trick pony… But actually, you are more like a raging bull… full of hormones, but no Heiffers around anywhere close!! LOL

Here’s the proof that it’s an Obama office!!!! Glad I could help.

Everything I post WILL be backed up. And I’ll back up my allies on this blog all day long.

Pleefer… You got good glasses??? I think not… IF you had good glasses, you would have been able to READ THIS >>>>

“The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.”

SOOOOO YOU PACK OF LIARS…. That picture is NOT any kind of headquarters for the Obama campaign…. And that quote is RIGHT OFF of the web site!!!

READ IT AND WEEP, you attempted con artists!!

LOL Ya just cant fix stoopid!!

Taz writes, “I WAS here when WS wrote that (and thank you for the confirmation), just not posting.”

Riiight.

That’s exactly what RepubliKhansas said when we pointed out that he was responding to things that happened before he supposedly started posting.

Turned out that he (Regular) had been posting all along under another nic and constantly lying/denying that he had.

Thanks for more evidence that you’re really The Saddict, Taz . . .

You look like one tuff lil’ sumbitch Chas

Since Max cannot post a definition of what a super delegate is, that means he must be lying about who/what he says they are… :-)

someone really needs to do something about this abstinence pure and simple class that is being imposed upon our youth. It isn’t merely being taught abstinence, but rather, a religious class in our public schools chalk full of misinformation.

My daughter went through this class a few years ago, and luckily I have taught my daughter all the facts. When she came home and told me the things they were doing, I asked to be able to tape record the sessions. I was told no. So I asked to go sit in on the sessions, which I did. The woman teaching it told me flat out she knew kids would have sex anyway. I asked her if she believed that it would be better to arm them with knowledge first, and she said NO.

Apparently this woman is back with a friend of mine’s daughter in class again. They asked all the Catholic girls to raise their hands! Chastised about the ‘provocative dress’ as if their whole sexuality had something to do with it.

Look at this page of the website, it says girls can suffer emotional harm from using a condom! The misinformation is unreal. She’s advocating these girls go to a catholic program outside of the school, and recommending against the HPV vaccine. “Am I truly unable to acquire an STD, get pregnant, or suffer emotional stress by using a condom, or other forms of birth control? ”

she also claims her family member is suffering from post abortion syndrome. Well gee, maybe it’s because of the stigma and hurt they’re causing her??? Apparently the abstinence only program didn’t work for her!

http://www.abstainpureandsimple.org/questions.htm

Are these REALLY the people you want teaching your kids about sex?

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5700252&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Pleefer/Sol, I saw it too. Don’t know how you could fake this video.

Obama’s gonna turn all the states into Red states.

do you NOT understand??? huh??

What part of ‘paid staffers’ do you not understand?

Max, you strike out yet again… What I said was stupidity on your part was your stupid little picture…. That picture said nothing about Hillary, OR Obama… Please get on the same page… You are starting to post like KsGrm does… WAY out of touch!! LOL

Yea, SOL, paid staffers of the people who are FUNDING the damned office, which is NOT the official headquarters of the Obama campaign… Geez, please try to keep things in context!!

Face it, you GOOFED in putting up a bogus picture, and now you are trying to CYOA with a bunch of mis-directed hyperbole!!

Ok Chas. I doubt if that was your picture. I would guess you are at least 3 feet tall.

“Paid staffers for the Obama campaign…”

Hmmmm….

Political Mama-

i went to the link, read it, and agree with it. Those are questions everyone (particularly the target audience) ought to think about before making the decision to have sex. While I did not explore any further into the website, the link you provided is DEAD ON! Rather than telling teenagers to just act like a bunch of out of conrol animals and screw their heads off, it askes them to ask themselves some questions. All GOOD questions.What is your beef with that?

I don’t know Pleefer, it was a pretty flag.

And Obama is gonna unite us all one way or another, so we probably need to get rid of the Stars and Stripes and start over with something all Red, like Obama’s flag.

Looks to me like its just the start of another swift-boar type of smear crap… and naturally, Faux Noise would have it!! LOL

Ummmm Max — You color blind??? That flag in the picture is Red, White, and Blue…

“that is not an official office of the Obama campaign, then the staffers would not be from the Obama campaign”

True enough. But many running for office get excorciated for those who support them. Obama is and should be no different.

Yep — Che was seen as a great revolutionary, and a great leader of the Liberation movement… of his day!!

“matriculated in public somewhere”

Wow. Quite a charge. think there may be an arrest record somewhere for this? :)

Conservative activist Gary Bauer has stated he will back McCain… Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, TX, says she endorses McCain, and will campaign for him…

Looks like Huckabee and Ron Paul need to step aside, and get out of the way!!

Ron and we supporters are a very tenacious bunch. We will remain here to keep telling truths that need to be heard. Get used to us as we aren’t going anywhere. It took 3% of the colonists to beat the British, we have just under 20% nationally (at the moment). We are the bad taste in your collective mouths and like it or not we’re going to be fighting for years to come (if the country lasts or it just takes that long).

Wow!!!!! Got some mileage outa that dent I?
Sheesh dudes, it’s just a story.

Okay time for a dose of reality.

I work for a very wealthy man.
What is my job?
TO MAKE MORE MONEY FOR HIM.
PERIOD.

The actual duties superflous.

It is possible to be a fiscal conservative,
and a social liberal.
The very same VERY WEALTHY man I work for is also very generous, donating untold sums to many good causes.

Pleefer, that means 80% of this great country does NOT back your man, and he is over 70+ years old… The man should be highly considering retirement — especially by 2012

LJ did you read what I wrote? Sure those are all good questions to ask before having sex, but is it REALLY emotionally harmful to use birth control? They discourage that even if someone decides TO have sex. Tell me, when you had sex for the first time, were you sitting there thinking about those things? Talk about out of touch. Parents have talked for generations till they’re blue in the face the consequences of having unprepared sex. And yet, we still have kids choosing sex, still have teens pregnant. The LAST thing I want to do is tell them that birth control is harmful to them! Oh another thing that was said is that you can get HPV from touching. Yep, scare tactics is all they have.

They forgo this information in the hopes that ONE of these kids will wait till marriage. I will be happy if they make it till out of high school, but they STILL need CORRECT information on how to prepare themselves. Even after marriage. Don’t associate with kids who have sex. Unbelieveable.

I’m proud that my child is still abstinent at nearly 18. But I also know when it is time, she’ll have the CORRECT information and not a bunch of hooey.

Here’s the flag at CFUK’s house:

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/qq-rb.html

Political Mama–

A few of your remarks, and my replies

“it REALLY emotionally harmful to use birth control? They discourage that even if someone decides TO have sex”

I didn’t see that. I guess I will look again. Somehow, I think that is not quite what they are saying. ANyway, I will look again

“Tell me, when you had sex for the first time, were you sitting there thinking about those things?”

Of course not. Well, I guess to some degree. Because we did use protection. and that was a long time ago. But anyway, the decision must be made PRIOR to getting in those situations, which is what I believe the point was.

“Parents have talked for generations till they’re blue in the face the consequences of having unprepared sex.”

No, I disagree. THey haven;t talked about the consequences. Truly. They have talked about how “bad” it is. There is a difference.

“The LAST thing I want to do is tell them that birth control is harmful to them! Oh another thing that was said is that you can get HPV from touching”

Hmmm. I guess I will look again. I didn;t see that.

“but they STILL need CORRECT information on how to prepare themselves. Even after marriage”

I whole heartedly agree. And that correct information includes not only “protections” but a very clear, precise, picture of the consequences, how to make that decision, and how to defend your decision if you decide to wait.

“They don’t want women to have a choice.

They don’t want to teach young people about responsible sexual behavior.

And they don’t want to provide health care for children after they are born.

And then the irony or ironies – they call themselves “compassionate conservatives.”

Yeah, right.”

Yeah, sure.

Max, where do you get your hatred?? Were you born with it, or did you study to get it in some school of the warped and dejected??

The superdelegates will save Hillary argument is just so much nonsense. Especially if Obama gets a majority of the delegates. To pull the nomination away from Obama in such a fashion would be like Chicago 1968 as Max’s Nation article suggests.

WSCLARK-

I could say

“They don’t want women to have a choice.”

Choice before first trimester, responsibility thereafter

“They don’t want to teach young people about responsible sexual behavior.”

The key word is respnsibile. And yes, many conservatives take this direction.

And they don’t want to provide health care for children after they are born.

If you can;t afford to take care of your children, then don;t have them. That would be responsibile, would it not?

I am opposed to Schip. I have offered alternatives such as state funding their own progran, such as the limousine liberals starting their own “free or affordable” health care plan, and others. The only thing offered is SCHIP. WHy? TO pass the buck in funding. Same as everyother freaking government program. I want this, I want someone else to pay.

I must also say, after the spending orgy that Bush has went on, to take his stand and veto the Schip program was plain stupid

“They don’t want women to have a choice.” “Choice before first trimester, responsibility thereafter”

So the “punishment” for having sex is being forced to have a child? Even if that “sex” is a result of rape or incest? Even if that pregnancy will seriously complicate a woman’s ability to care for her existing children?

Before the first trimester – in other words – never.

Max hates Hillary? Really?

Color me surprised…

CF2K,

I believe the Al Qaeda folk that Bush wants to execute are deserving of same. There are, howver, many legal hurdles standing in the way of getting that done.
1) are they enemy combatants?
2) does torturing them put a taint on any confessions obtained?
3) and probably dozens more that I don’t know about.

I fear the fiasco that Bush, Rumsfled, et al. have created will make it less likely that Khalid, et al. get the justice they deserve. Great Job, Bushie!

And now max posts bad things about obama? Really?

And the superdelegates? Really?

gee, do ya suppose max is a republican?

Shocked, SHOCKED I say.

heheheheheh. max’s posts are just what we expect from a hillary hatin’ obama hatin republican.

Wreckless fascism + complete incompetence = a very scary combination…

Farmgirl hates Obama? I’m surprised.

I think these trials and executions have more to do with the upcoming election than justice.

The public is on to the “terra terra” alerts, so they have to do SOMETHING to make the war work in mac’s favor.

Risky. It could backfire on them. Or… they could use it to paint obama as, what did captain say? A pink tutu democrat?

I have often stated my opinion on this blog about abortion, and when I thought it should be allowed.
You took my quote, quoted directly indeed, and by literal translation, you defined it to mean what you knew it did not. However, I will be sure and state thing much more succinctly from now on.
My bad.

Yes, Mr Clark.

What I meant was, by the end of the first trimester. Sorry to offend you with my inability to express myself. Of course. you knew that, didn;t you.

ksfarmgrrl-

As a Republican, I do not love Obama. I will vote for him over McCain, because as far as I can tell, he has been pretty consistent in his viewpoints. Though I disagree with him on most of his policies,
honest disagreement I have found to be workable. THe general politics of McCaina Hillary I consider to be two peas in a pod. They may have different viewpoints, but their integrity is less sure, at least what I have seen. MCCainHillary are just opposite sides of the same coin. I currently Think, or maybe it is only hope, that Obama is a different coin.

Yeah, and those 80% are just the ones who voted. We have many more apathetic minds to convince. The are apathetic because your candidates have created a nightmare America. We can and just might prevail and we’ll be convincing people all the way up to November. Count on it. Your 80% dead people are the few who are so scared to death by your candidates fear mongering. Fear mongering that if you vote for the other guy, he’ll raise taxes or she’ll take away your social security or he’ll stop abortions and he’ll protect you from whatever it is they create to scare you in the first place. Your people give us problem-reaction-solution and that has created the people we will get. The folks your paint-by-number candidates have turned off for 40-50 years. Be afraid. Be very afraid. We have yet to need big media to get our message to these “20%” we already have. We thought there would be hope that maybe big media would give him a chance, but that (we now know) will never happen. So onto the streets and door to door we go. A march on Washington is in planning right now and know that it will be HUGE and yet ignored by big media.

Last September, a 22-year-old mother scheduled a late-term abortion at Tiller’s Wichita abortion mill, after referral by a Reno, NV quack who misdiagnosed her baby as suffering from dwarfism, water on the brain, and several other birth defects. Pro-lifers were able to steer the mother next door instead to the pro-life Choices Medical Clinic, where 4D ultrasound and other services showed that the baby possibly might suffer from dwarfism, but none of the other problems, and that the gestation age was 24 weeks, making a post-viable abortion, misquoted at $7000 for a previable abortion by Tiller, definitely illegal by Kansas law, which does not allow birth defects as justification for post-viable abortions. (The Reno quack had not allowed the mother to see an ultrasound image.)
Weeks later, the happy mother gave birth to a healthy boy, with no signs of dwarfism.

You’ll be following up to tell us how the pro life choices clinic is providing for the childs food, health care etc, won’t you parkay?

The reality of it..the one time I use a different nic, I own up to it. I don’t know why I bother wasting bandwidth…your mind is made up with your little fantasy.

Enjoy your fantasy..hope you are amusing yourself.

Well, well, well, it seems my main man Obama agrees with me with regards to super-delegates. Guess the leading democrat agrees with this ole conservative:

“Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, “if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination.” Obama suggested “the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that’s going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election.” ABC news

If you would like to see the already pledged democrat super-delegates here is a link to their names and which candidate they are pledged for:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

Go ahead and flatter yourself J (I hate everyone who doesn’t agree with me) R. You really think I care enough about your opinion to engage in some elaborate ruse to fool you?

I don’t have any respect for your opinion or you and would not bother with a hoax trying to fool you.

Enjoy your fantasy.

Because I do not wish to isolate my good friend J R, I will be posting as ANTI. I hope this will ease your mind J R, that I do not ONLY disagree with you. And further more I am not James and regret that I do not have the time to post my thoughts all day, so I am limited by time to my comments. However I do read the post regularly. Hope there is no hard feelings.

The superdelegates are ELECTED by their state Democratic Party organizations – they are not just names yanked out of a hat by the “party elite.”

I am a hardcore Obama supporter and would be very disappointed should he lose the nomination due to the votes of the supers, but those are party rules and Barack knew the rules going in.

Contrary to the opinions of some, the Democratic Party, as is the Republic Party, is a private organization and they can make their own freakin’ rules.

The super concept has been in place for over twenty-five years. It may backfire on Obama this year, but he knew that from the beginning.

Actually i was kind of enjoying it as you enjoy crappin’ on conservitives

Chas and I posted at the same time. It depends on how fast packets are accepted through the Internet nodes and by WE Blog’s server. 7:31pm

Just trying to clear my name

And using a proxy server would also show two different addresses and it would be EASY to have both windows open on the same computer.

That is why posts from proxies should be banned and registration should be required.

Of course, HALF of the right wingers would disappear if WE Blog took that approach.

McCreepy would be shut down in a matter of minutes.

Along with all of his other nics.

McCain wins Virginia…. Obama wins Virginia…

Looks like Obama has Clinton backed in a corner after today… Unbelievable!!

it was amusing until the last few post

Pleefer opened this thread with Pillars of Prosperity

I challenge everyone on this blog to back a candidate with a better understanding of the economy. One candidate that predicted the current situation we are in as early as 1996.

Sol, Sol — Ron Paul might be a nice guy… But he is a has been for this Election cycle… He needs to go home, and retire… He is too OLD to run again!!

He is ALSO far too much like Lyndon LaRouche!! Except he isnt as much of a buffoon as LaRouche!

Sol, Sol — Ron Paul might be a nice guy

He is an economic and constitutional genius. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Tell me that Obama or Clinton foresaw our current predicament in 1996.

And Teddy Roosevelt knew that 100 years ago.

Chas, and anyone, read the link that Pleefer started this thread with and I recently reposted. Read the first thousand words. Then please post your candidate of preference that can match the brilliance and foresight.

Anyone match the foresight?

None of you can. None of the remaining candidates can even come close. But yeah, Ron Paul is a kook. The MSM wins. They led you to believe that Dr. Paul was a non issue and that his ideas were outdated.

So let me ask you, every single candidate left on the ballot (oh wait Dr. Paul is still on every single ballot, but the MEM told you to ignore that and WHAT? You followed like a bull with a ring thru your nose?) he is the ONLY candidate with a responsible budget?

But don’t let facts get in your way or anything…

JR
Ron Paul’s idea of government CAN’T work anymore.

I apologize. can you please cite where the constitution is no longer relevant?

I hate to say this but I agree with J R partially. “Ron Paul’s idea of government CAN’T work anymore.” This is true, we need some outside markets to sustain ourselves. I wish we didn’t but we do. However I totally disagree with J R on the big government thing. I think BIG government can cause massive problems. I think Ron would have worked wonderfully years ago and think that some of his ideas would be great today in moderation.

Chas,

Please show reference (as I have) that any other candidate has a better grasp on the United State’s fiscal policy.

Sol

I think it is shameful the way the GOP treats Ron Paul and I have said so.

I went and read Pleefer’s link.

Guy you are living in a dream world.

“All States will soon be allowed to coin their own currency, regulate their own commerce, and provide for their own people. All citizens will be allowed to keep the fruits of their own labor, the rights to their own property, and the ability to ensure the preservation, protection, and prosperity of their own family.”

Good lord Sol sell that to some poor slob who works at McDonalds. You and Ron Paul are trying to live in a reality that doesn’t exist anymore.

“I apologize. can you please cite where the constitution is no longer relevant?”

Sol there are PARTS of the Constitution that are great. But then there were also little things like the 3/5ths compromise and other not so little things that make the Constitution not terribly applicable to nation 200 + years after it was written. I mean the thing WAS written by and FOR wealthy, white, land owning men.

Sol, can you even imagine what would happen if Michigan had a different currency from Indiana AND Ohio?? What CHAOS!! Why would you even WNAT to support such lunacy?? If that was to happen, we might as well have 50 different mini-nations… instead of ONE… Why would you think such a policy to be reflective of the Constitution of the United States??

“All citizens will be allowed to keep the fruits of their own labor, the rights to their own property, and the ability to ensure the preservation, protection, and prosperity of their own family.”
========================

That is just a hair shade away from some kind of a feudalistic system… without the knights, etc. That is nearly Archaic!!

JR
Sol there are PARTS of the Constitution that are great. But then there were also little things like the 3/5ths compromise and other not so little things that make the Constitution not terribly applicable to nation 200 + years after it was written. I mean the thing WAS written by and FOR wealthy, white, land owning men.

OK, so let’s dump our constitution. Make up te rules as we go. Great plan.

{/sarcasim}

The era of the robber barons sol?

Oh yeah life was great then. If you owned a farm.

For miners, and factory workers and workers in general it pretty well sucked.

Do you sol have some sort of urge to be a vassal over others?

Chas

YOU talk about what I said… since I never challenged anything of Ron Pual’s fiscal policy… I am saying he is a has-been… he is too OLD to run again… he’s DONE!! That doesnt say ANYTHING about his policies, or his viewpoints!!

So then you agree with the brilliance of Dr. Paul’s fiscal policy?

I will NEVER watch CNN ever again. I attempted to be a part of one of the blogs, discussing the republicans switching parties in order to skew the results. They REMOVED my post twice!

I said nothing to deserve my post being moderated. There is something really wrong here. Why is the media SO skewed? I just cannot understand why a candidate who offers NOTHING of substance except the word hope a lot, is getting all this positive press. Then when I go point out AmWay’s little scam, they refuse to allow it. Something is really, really wrong here.

Welcome to the real world PMom.

Chas,

Answer the question; what happened itn 1913 that destroyed our nation?

Sol, would that be the 16th Amendment?

J R, why do you hate this country so much?

Actually, I said my parents were both born before 1913 — My mother was born in 1909… Father was born IN 1913… close enough…

Uh yeah

Income taxes SAVED this nation from descent into feudalism.

Consider the power railroads had over farmers. Google the monopoly of Standard Oil.

Sol the kind of America you want is never going to be. And whether you know it yourself or not, that is a good thing.

JR,

What is the total cost of entitlements to the US per anum?

Ummm Sol — This nation, in 1913 participated in the blanket discrimination against women, and blacks… There, you happy?? LOL

Chas,

You wiffed scooter, try again.

Well the gold standard ended about 1913.

What is this, Jeopardy night?

You need to try again sol.

You are trying to convince America that you and Dr. Paul are not delusional.

And you are not doing well.

When Hillary loses, head roll! Big Trouble Brewing in Clinton’s Camp. Too bad.

Clinton’s Deputy Campaign Manager Resigns
by FOXNews.com
Tuesday, February 12, 2008

Mike Henry has resigned as Hillary Clinton’s deputy campaign manager, after campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle left her post Sunday amid a string of defeats to Barack Obama.

Solis Doyle had brought Henry on board, so his departure is not a complete shock.

In an e-mail message to staffers, Henry said he was stepping down to allow new campaign manager Maggie Williams to build her own staff.

So, Sol — In 1913 women and blacks were NOT discriminated against??

Max,

Keep dreaming brother. Super delegates ensure a clinton victory.

Already told you Sol, I KNOW the answer… Its your game show… YOU give us your answer, and then we get to see how wrong, or right, you are…

Is this a hate crime? The Deputy is black and the Quadriplegic is white. I wonder if Jessie Jackson will complain about this.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330462,00.html

Florida Deputy Dumps Quadriplegic Man From Wheelchair

Ron Paul incorrectly believes that volcanoes are causing global warming — and we have to “deal with” them.

That makes me wonder how confused and/or ignorant he is on other issues.

Sol, do you want all of the ‘conspiracy’ theories that go along with it?? Like in the movie, “REDS” ???

Cosmos,
Same question, what happened to te US monetary system in 1913? The clock is ticking. First clue, doesn’t hinge on global warming. second clue; global warming is not even CLOSE to the most relevant current issue.

I thought the hugh volcanic erruptions in the past caused global COOLING?

Federal Reserve Act of 1913?

Max
Posted February 12, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink
Federal Reserve Act of 1913?

Ding Ding Ding Ding

Give that man a cigar.

Ok Sol, according to this link:

http://www.petitiononline.com/fedres/petition.html

Amercia was sold to:

The Rothschilds of London and Berlin; Lazard Brothers of Paris; Israel Moses Seif of Italy; Kuhn, Loeb and Warburg of Germany; and the Lehman Brothers, Goldman, Sachs and the Rockefeller families of New York.

Extra credit?

*****
Max
Posted February 12, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink
Is this a hate crime? The Deputy is black and the Quadriplegic is white. I wonder if Jessie Jackson will complain about this.
*****
I am so impressed by the Republic party’s stooges when they make implied racist remarks. Bunch of real smart MoFos, aren’t you guys? Max is one of the many reasons his party is dead. May it rot in hell along with Max…

Ok, I guessed the 16th Amendment earlier. It appears that the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the 16th Amendment also of 1913, were not just coincidently passed in the same year.

http://www.petitiononline.com/fedres/petition.html

Now to put the frosting on this cake. When was the income tax created? If you guessed 1913, the same year that the FED was created, you get a gold star. Coincidence? What are the odds? If you are going to use the FED to create debt, who is going to repay that debt? The income tax was created to complete the illusion that real money had been lent and therefore real money had to be repaid. And you thought Houdini was good.

Davis you can’t stand your own hypocracy.

Take a shower, and you still can’t get the smell off.

Steven Davis,

Can you define a ‘hate crime’ without referencing a race, religion, creed, or calling? The constitution defines us as citizens. Can you define a ‘hate crime’ using only citizen? Can you provide constitutional references to ‘hate crimes’?

Another interesting link Sol. You probably have them already:

http://secondpaulrevere.wordpress.com/

Now I know why you had the Twilight Zone theme going before!

chas,

Read the link… http://secondpaulrevere.wordpress.com/

The first hunderd words will increase your fiscal knowledge 100%

ANTI posted February 12, 2008 at 10:31 pm

“That is the same logic that says even though scientist can’t predict weekley weather accurately, we should still trust them whole heartedly on forecast projecting decades.”

“ANTI” seems to believe that meteorologists use future climate factors to make their 7-day weather forecast.

Why would meteorologists use factors like global GHG levels, albedo, etc. that will cause climate changes years from now, to predict next Tuesdays local weather?

cosmos,

Can you provide a peer reviewed accurate computer model that can accurately predict the climate 50 years from now?

NOBODY can find any constitutional reference to any crime, Sol, because the Constitution does not reference CRIMES, or their definitions… Geez!!

Then how about an amendment Chas.

No Crimes in the amendments either… And, ummmm… the amendments are a part of the Constitution NOW… tsk tsk tsk

I’d say that was a major problem, Sol, except, as I noted, unless it was in the process of making an arrest… Otherwise, it is a major big problem for that officer…

SolDevVB,

And what is Ron Paul’s strategy to increase fuel efficiency?

Make Fuel Efficiency Our Gulf Strategy‘
http://www.rmi.org/images/other/Security/S90-26_MakeFuelEffGulf.pdf
“Are we putting our kids in tanks because we didn’t put them in efficient cars? Yes: we wouldn’t have needed any oil from the Persian Gulf after 1985 if we’d simply kept on saving oil at the rate we did from 1977 through 1985.” (continues)

The above was written in 1990. And the author has worked with the U.S. military to improve their fuel efficiency.

Well, I’m outta here…

Good night; Good luck; and God bless;
Whatever you conceive God to be!

Blessings All!!

SolDevVB posted February 12, 2008 at 11:21 pm

“Can you provide a peer reviewed accurate computer model that can accurately predict the climate 50 years from now?”

There are multiple models in the IPCC’s WG1 report, showing the future warming caused by human-added GHG’s.

Oh, maybe it’s only a hate crime when a white man attacks a black man.

It’s not hate when it’s the other way around.

I suspect “SolDevVB” is simply going through a manic phase this evening.

Like when he responded to “Max’s comment…

“…it’s gonna look like Hillary stole the nomination.”

“SolDevVB” blathered –
“And you think she gives a shit? all she wants is the power.

Sheesh.

All any politician wants is power, “SolDevVB.” That’s in the job description. Even the idol of Paul-bearers such as you is in it for the power. Just like every tire salesman on the planet is in their game to sell tires.

Now, maybe, some politicians veil their craving for power with nice sounding platitudes: to restore the Constitution or change how Washington works or get America back on track… But the only-est way any politician gets into a position to do anything is…“…to get the power.”

But then you ranted, “Wow, I guess a private organization controlling the dollar is a conspiracy.” No. Actually it’s part of the so-called “conservative” concept of “privatizing” government. It’s a basic philosophy that led to Halliburton’s war against the people of Iraq and the military-industrial complex President Eisenhower warned us against. We all remember what a pinko-commie-socialist-liberal-democrat Ike was, don’t we?

You Libertarians are nostalgic about an America that never existed except in your fantasies.

But keep enjoying tonight’s manic high, “SolDevVB.” And make sure you can’t get to any weapons when the inevitable depression kicks in.

Monkey… Sol is having a major epiphany tonite… I think he realizes for the first time that his candidate of choice doesnt stand a snow ball’s chance in Hell of being the Republican Nominee… And he is hanging on to every thing he possibly can…

That isnt good…

Sol, just pick up the pieces of the broken campaign, and move on… The country is not going to retreat back into some fantasy world existence that never was…

I told you once before Ron Paul was a dangerous candidate… NOW you know why!!

here you go Max why I really dont like police, I even sympathize with the guy who shot up the city council in Missori.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49kgG0s7lVk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryxlSKW6fls