Do we measure candidates’ patriotism now by whether they wear a flag lapel pin? Yes, if you follow the dumb rhetoric of Fox News talking heads and other right-wing bloviators who see something un-American in Barack Obama’s refusal to adopt the cliches of conventional political patriotism.
It’s the latest in a series of Internet-based, fact-challenged attacks on Obama’s character that make for good “controversy†and media ratings but insult the intelligence of Americans.
Instead of enabling the silliness, the media should pursue a simple question: Is there really a credible pattern of behavior suggesting that Obama and his wife don’t love their country? And if not, could we move on to something of substance?
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Randy if you hate America so much and want a socialist country why don’t you leave the country.
Duhhuhuhh…”Randy if you hate America”…duhuhuh..Fox News..duh..”You’re a beautiful human being”…duhuhuh..Fawk.ing please. If you don’t vote Dr. Ron Paul, we’ll be going socialist anyway with any of the rest. Get over yourselves.
This whole “election” insults America. Obviously this country has no collective intelligence to insult, from either “side”.
The sad thing is there are way too many dumb people out there who watch Faux News and believe quite literally everything they hear.
I heard it when I was making phone calls- even to democrats.
No Pin, No Win! (Guffaws)
“The sad thing is there are way too many dumb people out there who watch Faux News and believe quite literally everything they hear.”
The sad thing is there are way too many dumb people out there who read The Wichita Eagle and believe quite literally everything they hear.
Oh, guess I am confuse about what article we are talking about. I am addressing the “Obama photo in turban, robe cause stir” article.
Funny how we spin stuff to prove our point.
AHH look a bright shiny object… pay no attention to the man behind the curtain… Look only at the bright shiny object!
I suspect he hasn’t been proud of his country for his entire adult life. That’s patriotic.
Gotta love the way this newspaper is a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. Front page story headlines “immigration crackdown backers have their say”. Does the headline say the truth, that it is about ILLEGAL immigration? No.
This paper demonstrates its bias regularly, and then they take another “news” (and I use the word very loosely, I think Fox is horrid) entity to task? Maybe the Eagle should clean up their own bias and editorial reporting before complaining about others?
I think Barack is a Republican in Democratic clothing and I have said so.
But this? This is rediculous.
Anybody here wear a Chinese made American flag pin?
Hey Fox news I have a story for you.
I used to put out a flag every single day.
On the day bush was installed as president by the Supreme Court, I took that flag down and my son and I burned it together. No flag since. And there won’t be until bush and his are out of the picture.
How should Hillary attack Obama without seeming “_itchy” in the process?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/25/AR2008022502663.html?hpid=topnews
I won’t wear a flag pin, myself. That’s idolatry, and we all know what a good christian I am.
Why can’t she simply state her policies, her plans, the ways she will begin, how she will act and react clearly. Won’t intelligent people be able to see any differences? Why does she need to make him wrong in order to make herself right? If there truly are differences worth noting tell me about those. I will then expect him to tell me about himself, his plans, the ways he will begin, how he will act….
IF both quit trying to make the other wrong they will have more time to support themselves.
Those who aren’t really paying attention will get the soundbites the media gives. The media gives the negatives first. That’s how they get your attention. Maybe the candidates need to quit giving easy negative soundbites.
We are deciding who will lead our country, yes patriotism is a very important issue, and has been long before Fox news came about. I’m Vietnam era, and I’m hearing the “it’s no big deal” anti-american propoganda that the so-called “peace” people spewed when they burned my flag and spit on me returning from overseas. The american flag is very important to me, but then, it’s about freedom and you have the right to disrespect the symbol of the very thing that enables you to say that.
I think Barack is a Republican in Democratic clothing and I have said so.
ROFL
Sorry, JR, but that struck me as funny this a.m.
Moving along… Why is it that so many people think patriotism is wearing a flag pin, decorating their car with flag symbols & stickers, placing their hand over their heart during the National Anthem, etc.? Yet these are the same people who are content to keep the country divided along party lines, want to invade every other country that doesn’t kowtow to our wishes, and don’t bother to vote in half the elections or even know who they’re voting for when they do, only that there’s the “correct” letter after the name.
It’s like people who expect God to come to their rescue because they’ve prayed, but haven’t lifted a finger to help themselves. Or anyone else.
Sorry about getting off topic. I read Steven’s link and was responding to it.
Now, this wearing of a symbol, putting a sticker on the car and all other outward signs are just an easy way out. Does nothing more than give an appearance of something meaningless if that’s all you do.
Which reminds me…
Where ARE all those flags that littered the yards of people after 9/11 and the start of the invasion of Iraq? Are these people no longer patriotic?
Good morning R D. I think we said about the same thing at the same time – only you said it much better!
Ok.
I defended Barack from an unfair assault.
I have been fair.
Now it is time for you Obama supporters to show the readers and yourselves.
Why Obama?
What has he accomplished?
Do you REALLY think Republicans can be worked with?
Do you know of any Republicans who WANT to work with Democrats? Honestly I mean?
“Hope” is what you hang onto when you have lost just about everything else. And I know that is where America is just now. But is it enough just that Barack preaches “hope” that you can vote for him?
I see Obama as the death of hope. The final surrender and compromise. Show me I am wrong.
With or without a flag pin, Obama does not give any impression of pride in a country that has allowed him and his wife to succeed. People who take a realistic look at other countries know that the US is the best country in the world. People who are too blind to acknowledge this fact should not lead our nation.
Obama bill: $845 billion more for global poverty Democrat sponsors act OK’d by Senate panel that would cost 0.7% of gross national product
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405
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Where will this money come from?
I think we should have a constitutional amendment that Obama should have to wear a flag pin.
Also that gays should wear a pink star and Jews should wear a yellow star.
Because that’s what being American means, conforming to the fascist state or else.
:roll:
fleettwood
Posted February 26, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink
I suspect he hasn’t been proud of his country for his entire adult life. That’s patriotic.
Have you always been this clueless or is it a new tack for you — fleet enema would be more like it
BTW, nobody that was FuxNews is going to vote for Obama anyway.
So screw ‘em.
that watches FuxNews . . .
In answering Doh!!’s question above: Have you [Fleettwood] always been this clueless or is it a new tack for you?
It’s “yes, he has always been this clueless.”
That’s why he still holds the title “Blog’s Dumbest Post-er” or BDP for short.
Mother of five, how many are you ready to see go to Iraq?
SSITL if you hate America so much and want a fascist country why don’t you leave — dont come back
Posted February 26, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink
Obama bill: $845 billion more for global poverty Democrat sponsors act OK’d by Senate panel that would cost 0.7% of gross national product
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405
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Where will this money come from?
He is personnally gonna come to your house and take all your valuables and your guns you idiot — join the fear mongering enema crowd
I dunno, “J R” –
You seem to get over wraught with your disdain for Obama. I’m not sure how to get past that.
As I’ve said dozens of times in this forum, I’m tired of Democrats nominating the better person but the lesser politician. Gore won the popular vote in 2000 but by so slim a margin, the SCOTUS got away with a judicial coup d’etat. Kerry was a dud as a campaigner.
The very fact we’re considering the question of Hillary or Barack (remember when she was the “inevitable” nominee?) speaks to the power of Obama as a candidate.
As for your “do you think Republic Party wants to work with you?” meme is getting old and speaks to mistakes we Demorats have made for years: We’ve nominated on policy instead of politics.
The election isn’t just a Republic v. Democratic party thing. A lot of people who aren’t political junkies who participate on WE Blog are not affiiated with either major party. Most of those voters are breaking for Obama and that’s an important factor in getting a Democrat elected in November.
Obama wasn’t my first choice when the primaries began. Frankly, I was so encouraged by the entire Democratic field (Gravel, not so much), I could have supported any of them for the Oval Office. Now we’re down to two. I’m going for the better candidate.
It’s like people who expect God to come to their rescue because they’ve prayed
I personally don’t pray. I feel it’s somewhat selfish to consume god’s time with needless ‘I WANT’s. I think, sometimes, the world is so screwed up because god is too busy deleting all the spam from people asking for things they’d be better off without anyway. I do occasionally drape my arm over his shoulder with a “You’re doin’ a heckuva job, Goddy”
People who take a realistic look at other countries know that the US is the best country in the world.
In fossil fuel consumption. Sorry to burst you bubble, but we’ve been slacking behind on near everything for years.
“Where will this money come from?”
“He is personnally gonna come to your house and take all your valuables and your guns you idiot — join the fear mongering enema crowd”
A legitimate questioned, answered by a juvenile smart ass answer. wow. I am impressed.
I’m not the person to respond because I still think Clinton is the best candidate who could hit the ground running with a shorter learning curve. BUT, equally important is that I will not be negative! That has been (and continues as far as I can see) the way of Republican politics. I am above that! I will never respect “Be afraid, be very afraid” as a viable way of running a country. And it will take unity to get rid of this abysmal bunch.
I’ve been registered in both major parties, have voted for both the D and R candidates and once for Nader. In fact, IIRC, I’ve never voted a straight ticket in a general election. This year I will. And I will support the candidate the Democratic Party nominates. It’s really important! We can not continue doing what has been done and get a different result. That’s all McCain offers — same as has been, only weaker because he blows with the wind and chases popularity.
I’m very upset with the loss of civil liberties. All part of the “be afraid” way of politics. I am more afraid of being controlled by government than so-called terrorists! The Constitution cannot be changed to reflect more of The Bible! Both good documents that shouldn’t be mixed up. Legislating morality is a theocracy. Please remember how important judges can be.
As far as I’m concerned the Republicans have ruined both government and religion. And they’ve done it by using the words democracy and God while moving away from both!
So, J R, please think hard. Do you want to behave as the Republicans have and do — being against something all the time?
Support you candidate of choice while the process plays itself out (and there is no hurry). Don’t let the media, and the Republicans have an affect on the process of choosing our candidate. Super Delegates exist and are no concern at this point. Our convention isn’t until late August! Having two excellent candidates is strengthening both of them! So support your candidate – tout her positives, be proud of her experience and policies.
But whoever is the Democratic Party nominee stands head and shoulders above McCain! So be prepared to get behind that person and work hard to get her or him elected in November. This won’t be a cakewalk! This bunch bears NO resemblance to the Grand Ole Party. They are nastier, meaner. Look how low they went to get bush elected twice!
— join the fear mongering enema crowd
You beat me to it LJ.
doooh!!!!!!
It is an honest question. We are bordering on 9 trillion in debt. If you are not concerned with fiscal policy, you are flamingly ignorant.
Where will the social programs get their funding? Global aid to the tune of $845 billion is no drop in the bucket. If Obama wants to spend this on the world, how much is he going to spend in America? And where will that money come from?
hmmm, maybe I should run for office…
(puts on best Negro Spiritual voice with back up choir)
Ah believe that some da-uh, life will be betta!
choir: some daaaaayyy
I said, Ah believe that some da-uh, life will be betta!
choir: Oh yes Lord Lord! Some daaaaay!
Imma gonna go to the Mountain Top some da-uh!
choir: Gonna gooOoooo!
Not gonna look back, gonna look up because I bah leeeve-uh!
choir: I believe!
Someday!
choir: Someday!
I believe!
choir: I believe!
There will be no mo’ war, I believe!
choir: I believe!
There will be no mo’ hunger-uh!
choir: I believe!
There will be bounty in every man’s house-uh!
choir: I believe!
Someday!
choir: Someday!
I believe!
Choir: I belive!
(choir burst into choral harmony, clapping hands with song now in up tempo – interspersed shout blends of “I believe!”)
I’m clapping my hands with a Dental perfect smile, bowing my head upwards and periodically closing my eyes, holding my right hand up to the heavens.
I believe!
(chortles)
SolDevVB
Posted February 26, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink
Obama bill: $845 billion more for global poverty Democrat sponsors act OK’d by Senate panel that would cost 0.7% of gross national product
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405
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Where will this money come from?
Sol, it will come from the billions we are spending on the war in Iraq. And there will still be plenty left over!!
“ghotiphaze” offers –
“I personally don’t pray. I feel it’s somewhat selfish to consume god’s time with needless ‘I WANT’s. I think, sometimes, the world is so screwed up because god is too busy deleting all the spam from people asking for things….
I’m a lapsed agnostic; I’m not sure what it is I don’t believe in.
But I always thought the Aloholics Annonymous approach to prayer was elegant and rational:
“…praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.”
MonkeyHawk – Thank you for answering JR’s questions about Obama. You very eloquently said what I wanted to say.
LEFTIST PATRIOTISM
Protest America
Reduce America’s influence in the world
Promote the welfare state
Criticize our leaders abroad.
Support fascist foreign leaders (Castro and Chavez)
Denigrate the traditional family
Expect someone else to pay your way
Stick it to the man, man
Stifle the American economy with unfair GW related restrictions
Remove God from public life
Regular
Posted February 26, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink
That was distasteful Regular.
TDT, I considered the source, and moved on. Not worth the photons it’s printed on.
Reduce America’s influence in the world
Criticize our leaders abroad.
Support fascist foreign leaders
Expect someone else to pay your way Think Iraq and the tax rebate.
Stifle the American economy
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You can thank GW for these.
Be Very Afraid… Reminds me of Hermann Goering and Joseph Goebels… German Nazis… If you tell the people enough times, if you build up an enemy, and tell them the enemy is out to get them, they will follow you anywhere…
We sure have seen than nonsense the past seven years… We sure dont need to see it any more… I guess thats what I like about a candidate promoting Hope… Hope that sees beyond that kind of FEAR mentality…
Seems that when we do things out of fear, we tend to lose all of the reserves… we spend irrationally on things we dont need… things that dont sustain…
It is Leap Year folks… Obama is basically telling us it is time to take a leap of faith in America… in what we might yet become… not looking back at where we once were… but looking forward to what we can yet be…
Not a bad message…. But, I am sure it will be attacked from many sides… it always is!!
A couple of days ago I lambested MonkeyHawk for his tasteless comments about Tiahrt’s son. Today it is so-called Patriot who is being an a**hole.
Why was it distasteful TDT?
It’s exactly what Obama is doing.
That is, he is using a page from the old Negro Spiritual style of preaching to give political speeches.
People are falling for it.
TDT,
The total cost of the war to date covers slightly half of Obama’s overseas expenditures. What about the rest of the money and the social programs he plans to instill in America?
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
Criticize America hoping to regain our superiority.
Reduce America’s unfavorable view in the world.
Destroy the welfare state for the wealthy.
Criticize our leaders abroad so they remain on the straight and narrow.
Support fascist foreign leaders (Castro and Chavez) and maybe we, too, can be republicans.
Embrace the traditional family while being tolerant of those no kowtowing to our parochial view of the world.
Expect noone else to pay your way, that’s reserved for Republicans.
Stick it to the man, man, only if it applies (see family values above)
Enchance the American economy with fair GW related restrictions instead of debating how low of a wage can be paid so your laborers can still crawl into work for one more day.
Remove God from public life and return him where he belongs–in your heart, AND OUTTA MY FACE!
I’ve never voted a straight ticket in a general election. This year I will.
Same here, Linda. Well, sort of. I had never voted a straight ticket until 2004 and did so then in protest. I will continue to do so until this country is given back to the people and as long as the Republicans continue to believe that this country only belongs to them and the people who follow them with pockets jingling.
Wow.
I’m just waiting for the day when JR’s head explodes. And given what he has written about his relationship with his son, while I don’t doubt that he loves his son, that boy is gonna need some therapy. You can’t roll in hate, JR, and pass that on, and expect everything to come out roses on the other side. .
Oh, JR – “On the day bush was installed as president by the Supreme Court, I took that flag down and my son and I burned it together.” Bulls&%t. Yea, I call BS. You did no such thing. EVEN YOU aren’t that ridiculous.
And the idea that Obama is a Republican in Dem’s clothing is so stupid as to be laughable. There is NO more reliable liberal vote in the Senate than Obama. Try to get a grip, JR.
It’s been fun to watch the masters of the politics of personal destruction, the Clinton machine, implode. I’m hoping Clinton wins at least Ohio on Tuesday – let’s keep this fight going all the way to the convention. Brokered Convention – YEEAAAAA!! I suspect a lot of Republicans will cross to vote for Hillary. I would.
We’ll get to watch more fun like the Clinton’s passing around Obama’s ‘Somali’ dress. Yes, it was exactly what Obama said it was: a fear-mongering cheap shot. Just what the Clintons specialize in.
You libs who think that the fall will be a cakewalk: just keep right on thinking that way.
John Prine had it right in the seventies.
“But your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore, it’s already over crowded, from your dirty little war. Now Jesus dont like killin’ no matter what the reasons’s for and your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore.”
You need to listen to the entire song. Again. It is as true today as it was more than thirty five years ago.
“hmmm, maybe I should run for office…
(puts on best Negro Spiritual voice with back up choir)”
How childish, Regular, and totally uncalled for.
The truth does sometime sting RD. :)
Wow, GMC… nice to see such positive, upbuilding BS coming from one of our public servants!! Amazing!! Such partisanship!!
Regular — Ummm…. errr…. I uhhhhh never mind, it isnt worth it!!! What TRASH!!
Well Ben,
This whole thread is rather distastful. From J R burning the flag with his boy on the ‘day Bush was installed’ to the inability of Chas. and others to make a point without facist references.
Hillary was passing out pictures of Obama dressed in a turban the other day, but I doubt we’re going to hear much from the Eagle on that subject.
KFG,
When I heard Prine last year, he said he had retired that song (actually said he had taxidermied it and hung it on the mantel) until current events demanded he take out of retirement. I guess he wrote that song when he was 18 yrs old. That was a while ago…
Ummm Hank — Did I say something that wasnt true??
And, BTW, I might not be in total agreement with all that JR says, but “bashing JR” all the time isnt really uplifting either…
I know of lots of people who were nauseated over what happened in the 2000 election… Thats 8 years in the past… There is a FUTURE out there… And we need some HOPE for that future…
Hey GM,
Don’t come down on J R too hard. It’s just another of his little ‘personal anecdotes’. I could believe he actually took down his flag and burned it. . . if I thought for a minute he ever had a flag!
Rog, I believe that picture came off of the Drudge Report web site… Dudge CLAIMED it came from a Clinton staffer… No proof of that YET… I suspect we might hear something about that in the Ohio Debate later…
Seriously,
How can Obama spend almost a trillion dollars over seas? Where will the money come from?
And Hillary for that matter, how will she fund her social programs?
Sol,
I’m guessing that Obama thinks people in Kenya deserve U.S. dollars more than the people in New Orleans or perhaps our failing highway infrastructure.
You might be right Chas.
I’m a weak person, bashing J R is rather uplifting for me. Letting his little fantasy about burning the flag in front of his son go unchallenged would have depressed me.
Most of America’s ills could be cured by listening to John Prine. Like I said, he had it right back in 1971 when his first record was released.
“Blow up yer tv’s. Throw away yer papers. Move to the country. Build you a home. Plant a little garden. Eat a lot of peaches. Try and find Jesus on yer own”.
As true today as it was back then.
And I bet he’s got “Sam Stone” back on the playlist again.
“But life had lost its fun, and there was nothing to be done, but trade his house that he bought on the GI bill…. for a flag draped casket on a local hero’s hill”.
Oh yea, there wasnt anythingn WRONG about what that picture of Obama showed anyway… Typical part of a foreign visit by a dignitary from here to there… I really dont know what all the fuss is about…
I mean, if you go to visit a Synagogue on a Friday night, you wear the Yarmulka… doesnt mean you are Jewish… Just means you are respecting the hospitality of your hosts…
“Dudge CLAIMED it came from a Clinton staffer… No proof of that YET…”
Ha ha yeah, okay. Conspiracy theories are weak.
Hank… Ever hear of Free Speech?? Our kids only learn it from their parents… If the parents arent willing to exercise their RIGHTS.. how will the kids learn?? Consider your belief in CC??
Oh, should be your RIGHT to your belief in CC… sorry…
RE: “How can Obama spend almost a trillion dollars over seas? Where will the money come from?”
I hope he doesn’t do it like “Borrowin’ Bush” and the Iraq fiasco; we’re pretty much borrowed to the max on that project!
There becomes a rather fine line between conspiracy theory and Smear Tactics sometimes, Rog… :-)
Well Sol, they all give our money away. Is corporate welfare less costly than social programs? Is waging war and attempting to bring about a one-world order less costly than taking care of Americans?
I understand that we deeply in debt. I also understand that electing McCain will only mean the borrowed money will be spent differently than electing whoever ends up the nominee on the Democratic side.
And further, the last time a balanced budget was even presented was when Clinton was in office. Actually the last time a Democrat occupied the White House we had a surplus and we were at peace.
Here ya go kfg
John Prine singing…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xp1mIYJNKWQ
:D
Hey regular,
Be very careful how you talk about Obama!
There is some very upset people on the left! They are starting to realize that their heir apparent to the throne is getting her butt kicked by a messianic mulatto!
Half of the democrats are more comfortable with the “Miss Jane Pittman” sort of black man and the other half of the democrats will fall for any-one-but-Hillary!
Going to be interesting in November!
“Ever hear of Free Speech?? Our kids only learn it from their parents…”
You are right Chas. Everyone has the right to act like an eight year-old. If I do not get my way I am going to pack up my toys and go home.
Just what I want to teach my kids.
gster
Posted February 26, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink
I hope he doesn’t do it like “Borrowin’ Bush” and the Iraq fiasco; we’re pretty much borrowed to the max on that project!
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Couldn’t agree more.
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lindainks55
Posted February 26, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
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Begging your pardon, but that sounds like rhetoric. Yes McCain will spend us to death. That doesn’t fund the democrat’s social programs.
The most financially astute candidate has been ignored. I hear his message from folks on here – end Iraq, bring all our troops off of foreign soil, smaller government, fiscally responsible.
That has been Dr. Paul’s message from day one. Glad to hear it resonating with the folks on this blog, but I have yet to hear of a candidate’s policy to do the same.
We have to wake up and live in reality. Lots of folks here are starting to, but are you demanding it of your candidate?
Want change*, vote Obama.
*change from your paycheck after his new taxes.
Ah, linda. The Queen of cliches. The princess of pap. Think for yourself much?
“We have to wake up and live in reality.”
Right back at you, Sol. The 4%er isn’t getting it done. Time to move on (dot org).
Thanks for the link regular. Y’all NEED to listen to that.
And… here is a link to the saddest song ever written. No kidding. If you can get through this without a tissue, yer a hard ass.
sam stone
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5OwEyXFhZ9g&feature=related
Yes, I’ve heard of free speach! And I pretty much support all of the rights that the Constitution recognizes as coming from our Creator!
I also believe that every right you exercise has associated responsibilities. I take my right to carry concealed very seriously. Even though the State seems to feel it’s a priveledge to be regulated.
Free speech also has a few responsibilities. If you wished to be taken seroiusly, every now and then you should base your statements in facts.
Fleet,
Neither is the 9 trillion dollar debt. Neither is having the world turn their backs on us. Neither is being blamed for Kosovo. Neither is Fiat money. Neither is failed foreign policy.
And on the other side, neither will massive social programs work. Neither will over taxing corporations. Neither will high hopes and no plans.
..and the one about “blow up yer tv’s”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X9RBgfUvymM&feature=related
Damn, this is FUN!
In honor of you all, the WEBLOG Trio, and especially my pal Steven Davis, I’m breaking out the boxed set of John Prine while I do dishes.
hehehehhehhe. I’m tellin’ ya, the man is the best songwriter alive, as one reviewer said.
Yes fleetwood, I do. I think my opinions are AS GOOD and AS USELESS as any others. I also think I have one vote, do you get more?
Chas:
PLEASE don’t – don’t even try – don’t even get started – don’t even BOTHER – to bash ME – ME! for “partisanship!” Partisanship?!
I’ve never pretended to be non-partisan. Why should I?
However, given what routinely flies out of the left on this blog, you bash ME for partisanship? I’d roll on the floor laughing, but even the concrete floor couldn’t stand for that much laughing. You’ve topped the scale for ridiculous.
You are the biggest syncophant on this blog Chas. You are generally ignorable because you simply mouth what your heroes (WS, MH, etc.) spout without thought. But with lots of capital letters, of course (and saying goodnight again . . . and again . . . and again . . . and again . . . ad nauseum). They get their talking points from DU and Kos; you simply mouth the words. So I’ll take your comments to me and give them the credit they deserve: none.
Oh, and this one’s for CROWSON!
“you got gold, gold inside of you…”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DPGABEqs2eU&feature=related
Ok, last one, I promise.
This one’s for Mary Caruso, Pmom, and Kansassam.
Hello in there.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kA6W6SnHKJw&feature=related
That doesn’t fund the democrat’s social programs.
for all you pinhead wingnuts out there, the social programs surplus have been funding your discretionary wars along with help from the muslims and chinese commies. Nice world you live in.
J R burning the American flag is not the proper response to the Bush “election”. Flying the flag upside down, would in my opinion, be the correct response. An upside down flag was the Navy’s signal that a ship flying the flag such was in trouble – an SOS signal.
annie moose
Posted February 26, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink
Nice world you live in.
And you live in what world?
the social programs surplus
Care to define that?
And again, where does Obama com up with almost a trillion dollars to save the world?
Sol – I don’t know where it would come from. The nat’l budget is a bit too complex for me. I assume that it will be worked in, if it even passes Congress.
And again, where does Obama com up with almost a trillion dollars to save the world?
probably the same the same place michigan taxpayers get the funds to juice dow corning so you can bitch on the internet all day sir.
I’m telling any democrats, particularly those living in Texas or Ohio, by all means available, that Obama is their man.
There are those conservatives who advocate Hillary
over Obama because they believe McCain can beat Hillary easier. They are not considering the consequences of 8 more Clinton years, a promise to continue the war, and Bills luggage.
And polls indicate Obama has a better chance of winning the presidency against McCain than Hillary.
Obama carries no luggage. Obama is fresh, new, and will bring new ideas without years of Washington influence (and IOU’s).
I take his inexperience as a plus, not a negative.
Go Obama!
So no answer then moose, just rhetoric. Par for your course.
ditto sol you think going back to the gold standard gonna solve this countries problems yuk yuk yuk
Steven Davis
Posted February 26, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink
It’s weird, I never knew that, and then I watched “Valley of Elah” just this weekend, and then you mention it. I guess it’s something I need to know.
You’re right moose, spending a trillion over seas is the answer. What was I thinking? Great fiscal policy moose.
Obama’s ties to an Iraqi Billionaire. How’s this for an Obama issue:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433485.ece
February 26, 2008
Mansion ‘mistake’ piles the pressure on Barack Obama
Graphic: the house that Barack bought | The key players | Timeline: Barack and the billionaire
A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama’s fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times discloses.
The money transfer raises the question of whether funds from Nadhmi Auchi, one of Britain’s wealthiest men, helped Mr Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago.
A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama’s bagman Antoin “Tony” Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million.
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Three weeks later, Mr Obama bought a house on the city’s South Side while Mr Rezko’s wife bought the garden plot next door from the same seller on the same day, June 15.
Mr Obama says he never used Mrs Rezko’s still-empty lot, which could only be accessed through his property. But he admits he paid his gardener to mow the lawn.
American Way
Posted February 26, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink
You confuse me AW. I thought you were a Republican. Everything you said is pretty much how I look at it, even the inexperience part, but again, I thought you were Republican.
Sol
I admire your support of Ron Paul.
I appreciate him for highlighting the bleakness of our country’s situation and believe he has done a great thing in making more people aware of what we wish we could ignore. He probably comes closer to being a true Patriot than the other candidates.
But no matter how good it is to be with him, he is still the girl you don’t bring home to Momma.
max I thought capitalist Iraqi billionaires were our friends— role models even. Are you a commie socialist dog now?
Linda,
I don’t argue that he will not get the nomination, but you can not deny his message. With the top three candidates it makes me ask “How will you pay for that?” Either 100 years in Iraq and “many more wars” or massive and/or global social programs. How will you pay for that?
I take his inexperience as a plus, not a negative.
So experience=jaded? I can agree that sometimes it’s true.
It depends on who Obama chooses for his cabinet, if he is the nominee. The same goes for Hillary. It will also depend on what happens with Congress. Will it go bluer or more of a red-purple?
Interesting times.
“Either 100 years in Iraq…”
et tu, Sol?
TDT,
Too many people confuse each other trying to put each of us in a “box” and labeling us.
Nobody cares to read any of my old posts, but if you did you would see I actually stopped voting a straight republican party ticket with the midterms.
I am a conservative who has been abandoned by the republican party. Instead of being conservative, republicans now like to spend more money than “we” have, stand by Jesus instead of the constitution (in fact change the constitution to read Jesus if possible), one-track mind and obedience to the abortion issue, and more pork (earmarks) than anytime in history.
I voted against Jim Ryun and Phil Kline for above reasons (and then some). Hoping to say good bye to Sammy Brownback for his OCS (Onward Christian Soldiers) stand too. But because I am conservative, I will vote Nancy Boyda (Ryun’s democratic replacement) for the same reasons. She loves earmarks, and brags about it.
And just who did the republicans give us for a candidate (need I say more?)?
Regardless, Hillary is old school politic’s despite anything she says. Additionally, she made a statement she would KEEP TROOPS IN IRAQ until at least 2013 – and bases in the middle east EVEN LONGER.
Not so Obama.
But I’m keeping my options open. This whole race is not about who we support: It’s about the lesser of three evils to me.
A Real Choice for Americans in 2008!
Throw your rug toward “Mecca”
5 times per day!
Throw your rug toward Washington 24 hours a day!
Have your rug taken away by illegal aliens from “Open Borders”
Future Glimpse of America.
Will there be an Obama statue in 2009?
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,3414,00.html#3_0
Photos of a Secret Society
An inside look at North Korea
Sol, Probably WE THE STUPID would UNelect any person who did everything that would be necessary to get us on a fiscally responsible path quickly. Shoot, we’d probably impeach or maybe even lynch that person. It will take some time to get us out of the place bushco has put us! Pretty sad that it only took him seven years to get us here. I’m anxious to begin a path that is waaaay better even if it’s a long one.
fleettwood
Posted February 26, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink
et tu, Sol?
Fleet,
We can’t afford 100 years in Iraq and the many more wars promised by McCain any more than the social programs promised by Hillary and Obama.
Sol, good link above.
This $845 BILLION foreign aid bill is an example of the type of Global Socialism that Obama will bring.
It’s not enough for the Democrats to advance Socialism in the USA, they want to make the entire planet Socialist.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405
He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion “over and above what the U.S. already spends.”
“We can’t afford 100 years in Iraq…”
What did McCain say regarding 100 years in Iraq?
And the “many more wars”?
Oh yeah, if Ron Paul is on the ballot as an independent, I will give him my vote. Not because I’m libertarian or agree competely with him – but because he is radically conservative and I think we need someone radical to shake us up. My vote won’t be a wasted vote. It would be a statement.
But Obama is new and radical. The other way radical, but at least he is different.
Michelle Obama says she was, basically, ashamed of America until recently.
This, even though Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, both Democrats, have been President, in her adult lifetime.
This, even though Democrats have controlled Congress for most of her life.
Barack Obama wears a traditional outfit in a Moslem Country, and Hillary’s team pounces on that.
I am not sure that Hillary’s camp was wrong to do so.
It is true that Bill and Hillary and both Bush’s and just about every President in modern history has follwed the “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” approach, and worn hats and costumes of the nation in which a visit occured, or even done the same for “State Dinners” in which the guest came to America.
However, if a national leader is willing to wear the clothing of other cultures, to “blend in” or make the others feel comfortable —
Does it say something, perhaps, that Obama is slow, sometimes, to make Americans feel comfortable with him?
Maybe this is nothing. I do think it is worth asking about.
—–
By the way, at a Republican Convention, Sam Donaldson asked me for a Kansas lapel pin. (I was a Bob Dole Delegate.)
I gave that pim to Sam, on one condition “wear it on the air for me” — Sam said he could not do that.
I told him to give me back the Kansas flag lapel pin.
Later on, when watching the Democrat convention, Sam Donaldson was wearing an Arkansas lapel pin.
Flags DO mean something!
Darn it Max! You keep throwing dirt on Obama.
If you can’t wait until AFTER the nomination, is that because you think McCain has a better chance over Hillary?
Or are you just being your normal self and calling them like you see them?
TDT, the wife was so PO’d at me for getting Elah. She said that was the most depressing movie she’d seen. I told her to wait–when the showtime docu on selling Iraq came back, I’d record it and really chap her cheeks.
Fleet
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Republican presidential front-runner Sen. John McCain on Thursday defended his statement that U.S. troops could spend “maybe 100″ years in Iraq — saying he was referring to a military presence similar to what the nation already has in places like Japan, Germany and South Korea.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/mccain.king/
The many more wars—
That was local. I don’t have a link for it. When McCain was stumping for the Michigan primaries, a guy walked up to McCain and asked “Senator McCain, if you are elected president, how many more wars will you get us into?” McCain responded “Many, but we will win them all.”
They had video of it. Didn’t last long in the media here. You can try YouTube. They might still have it.
““maybe 100? years in Iraq — saying he was referring to a military presence similar to what the nation already has in places like Japan, Germany and South Korea.”
Strike one for you.
“McCain responded “Many, but we will win them all.””
Hog wash. You’re out.
Oh Amway, Obama isn’t nearly as bad as Clinton.
Democrats must vote for the lessor of their two evils. The news posted on Obama is comparatively GOOD news, compared to Clinton.
Barack sucks much less then Hillary.
Course my neighbor has a campaign sign in his yard that says the opposite:
Hillary sucks less then Obama, according to Bill.
Those Democrats are terribly divided this year. Too bad.
Fleet,
Believe what you want. Won’t pretend I can change your mind. All I can do is present you with the facts.
Facts? McCain said “Many, we will win them all”??
Facts?
Go to the corner with jr. You are outta here!
“We have seen the tragic result of having a president who had neither the experience or the wisdom to manage our foreign policy and safeguard our nation,” Clinton said in a speech in Washington. “America has already taken that chance one time too many.”
How can she say this crap with a straight face?
Those Democrats are terribly divided this year. Too bad.
hahah Max you guys can’t even figure out if you should support a commie or a capitalist. Hey Max I still have allllllll my guns parinoid dipsh$t.!!!!
I wouldn’t salute the flag or hold my hand over my heart for the flag either.
Michelle Obama says she was, basically, ashamed of America until recently.
Selective hearing?
I keep hearing and reading Michelle Obama’s “quote”, except that is never quoted correctly. See if you can find it and post it as accurately quoted.
The same goes for Hillary’s quote on troops in Iraq until 2013.
Listen to McCain again, while you’re at it.
Y’all seem to hear only what you want to hear, even from your own “side”!
Soundbytes will be the downfall of this country.
Fleet.
With video even…
“Sen. John McCain told a crowd of supporters on Sunday, “It’s a tough war we’re in. It’s not going to be over right away. There’s going to be other wars.” Offering more of his increasingly bleak “straight talk,” he repeated the claim: “I’m sorry to tell you, there’s going to be other wars.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/27/mccain-warns-there-will_n_83459.html
Barrack Hussein Obamba wouldn’t trade away any American A-bomb secrets to Iran.
Julius, if Obama was paid a high enough price by his rich Iraqi friend, he would not only sell the A-bomb to the Arabs, he’d detonate it for them too.
Right here in the USA.
And he’ll call it a “terrorist attack”.
““I’m sorry to tell you, there’s going to be other wars.””
That is a LITTLE different from what you quoted.
You think?
You said ““Senator McCain, if you are elected president, how many more wars will you get us into?” McCain responded “Many, but we will win them all.”
So long, sol, I hardly knew ye.
Show me anybody who would disagree with his statement. Anybody. Ron Paul would agree with it. I am afraid, sol, you have been put into the no capitalized state.
Really Sol, there will be other wars?
Study history much? Are you expecting a major change in human nature and all wars to end?
You know better, and McCain was being honest about wars being a part of the future.
To say anything else would be an utter lie.
Gee, Ethel, sorta like Bush did with 9/11 eh??
LOL sarcasm/off
“I call BS”
Do you mean they call you BS GMC?
Yup. Story is true. I burned our flag and I told my son why.
With that out of the way?
Senator Clinton got some embarrassing pics of Barack?
So WHAT?
It is not one TENTH of what the right will do if he is the nominee.
I hope she really turns loose on him tonight.
She should ask him: Barack? How do you “work with” a party that denies health care to little children? What sort of sunshine dream world do you live in? You say you want to work with them? Well the first thing they are going to want to know is what you bring to the table to give away. What would that be Barack? What else do we compromise so we can…HOPE…the Republicans can…CHANGE?
Fleet,
As I told you, that quote came from him while he campaigned here. Saw it with my own eyes (the video anyway.)
Like I said, all I can provide you with are the facts. The fact that no one posted the video on the net (have you checked YouTube?) does not make it any less true.
And you have the link to 100 years in Iraq. Deny all you want, doesn’t change reality.
The only war that needs to be fought by America is a war with a nation that attacks us. Iraq? Not so much. Iran, even less. So you can poke and prod and preemptively strike all you like, that doesn’t make the war any more just.
I’d rather have a president that wasn’t looking to pick a fight.
JR — Now THAT was good… Yes, I agree Hillary needs to ask those questions… And I believe Barack has to genuinely answer them… Thats the stuff of Good, Honest, Debate…
“I’d rather have a president that wasn’t looking to pick a fight.” — Sol —
WTG, Sol… Right on spot with that one!!
For all you concerned rednecks out there would you rather spend 10 to 20k a year to keep the poor out of prison or keep them desperate committing crimes.Housing them at the states expense at 50k a year it’s your money.Support the prison industrial complex.
10 to 20k a year to keep the poor out of prison
So you cut them a check and poof they are stand up citizens? Of what program do you speak?
Gee Ms Moose, how much would you pay to avoid being murdered? Raped? Assaulted? Robbed?
And you assume poverty is what causes people to commit crimes. And you assume then that these people can extort money from the Government in exchange for not committing crimes.
Poverty motivates most people to – WORK. Unless of course you can extort money from the Government, and they pay you NOT to work.
I like #12.
http://thepage.time.com/halperin%E2%80%99s-take-ways-mccain-can-beat-obama-that-clinton-cannot/
12. Employ third party groups like the NRA to hit Obama on issues that might turn off general election voters. Perhaps an ad such as this will run in Ohio: “So, what do you really know about Barack Obama? Did you know he supports meeting with the head of terrorist states? Do you know he wants to get rid of your right to own a handgun? Do you know he is calling for the repeal of the law preventing gay marriage? Do you know he is for a trillion-dollar tax increase? What do you really know about Barack Obama?”
So what’s your point Sam? Did we elect Laura to something?
JR – re: burning your flag
Prove it. I still call BS. And it sounds like you’d best be saving up for some counseling; your young’n may well need it. Being surrounded by constant hate doesn’t lead to healthy kids.
It’s interesting that you OK the Clinton’s use of the picture. Aren’t you on the side that condemned the Willie Horton ad? How is this any different? Hell, it’s worse; it reinforces a rumor that is factually untrue (i.e. that Obama is a Muslim; he is not), and plays upon religious prejudices to boot. Nice. If a Republican did it, you’d be screaming, and justifiably so. But when the Clinton machine does it, you applaud.
Typical. I should be used to this kind of hypocricy on the left, we see it so often. The tired sermonizing and moral condemnation of others is just rationalization of your own politics. What a sad, lonely, person you must be. Hate is debilitating, JR. Give it a rest.
Try this: disagree, even deeply, with others, without hating them. You might encounter a different point of view. You might grow personally in the process, and learn something; I know that the most enjoyable people to be around are often those I disagree with, as long as we can discuss and debate without being disagreeable. It’s called being an adult.
We do have something in common, however. Like you, I hope for a Clinton win in Ohio, though perhaps for different reasons . . .
Come on, brokered convention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prove me wrong Max
Let the slime fest begin.
It’s what’s worked for the right wing before. They are going to try it again. Question patriotism, try to make their opponent look like an extremist so as to distract the swing voters from their own extremism.
Here is what I think:
The reality is, it is the candidate. Some candidates are extremely vulnerable to this sort of sliming (e.g., Dukakis, Kerry). Others withstand it, and the desperate attempts to demonize them further backfire because the fanaticism and self serving nature of the attacks become obvious(Clinton and the impeachment nonsense). This pattern has had a real effect on Democratic voters. They look consciously or unconsciously, for the candidate that they think can best withstand this stuff.
The idea that someone not wearing a flag pin indicates a lack of patriotism or love of country is absurd on its face when the target is actually running for president. The trick is going to be to point that out. The sliming can’t be ignored, but the most effective weapon against such sliming is to withstand it.
Ok, Proven Annie.
As for JR bragging about burning the American flag, I don’t need any proof. I believe him.
Max:
“As for JR bragging about burning the American flag, I don’t need any proof. I believe him.”
You may have a point there. He’s about unbalanced enough.
And uh, ksagnostic, the “slime fest” has come, yet again, from the Clinton machine, re: the picture of Obama in Somali garb. It’s ironic that those who condemn the “politics of personal destruction” are such masters at it, huh? And I agree, the flag pin nonsense is just that – nonsense. His wife’s comment is a bit more puzzling, but it’s likewise a tempest in a teapot.
Much more fun should be tonights debate. The only question is will Hillary throw the mud herself, in person, face to face, or use the usual Clinton tactic of letting surrogates do it, and then disavowing them if it meets with disapproval?
YOUR take on the Democratic nominee is for AFTER one is chosen GMC. We don’t need you and your pontification on our process.
And as I said, YOUR party would and will attack Obama far more aggressively if you get the chance.
By the way? Burning the flag is patriotic. The election of 2000 was stolen. And as much as some of you on the right would like to sweep that under the rug, a lot of people are never going to forget.
But that some among my own even think such as you can be worked with? Well, it speaks to our better hopeful nature. Me, I just know better.
J R
Posted February 26, 2008 at 7:27 am | Permalink
On the day bush was installed as president by the Supreme Court, I took that flag down and my son and I burned it together.”
I have not ever heard that patriotism, and respect for the flag is personality driven before.
Love of ones country and loyality to it does not end when someone you don’t like is elected, or even with decisions you are against.
Believing in the flag, means believing in all it represents – the sacrifice that has been made by Americans over two centuries.
The American Flag does not represent George Bush.
I’d think you’d know better than that.
I don’t understand your point Max. I an a retired 55 year old white male never assaulted raped or robbed beyond petty theft from the kids next door.I collect guns because I like them and shoot them when the urge hits me. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
What JR does makes little difference or concern to me. His son is his bizness he can even take him to a snake handling redneck church if the spirit moves him.WTF? sorry I’m not a scaredy cat like you.
“Let the slime fest begin.
It’s what’s worked for the right wing before. They are going to try it again.”
But, but, but, but….
I thought obama would bring the republics and democrats together? Where is the sheet music to kumbaya? I thought the wingnuts would only do this to the clintons?
So… it was bullshit when obama supporters said that the first time? And it’s bullshit now?
Color me surprised…
Remember these words later. Obama has never faced a serious republican opponent.
I’ll promise you obamamaniacs one thing though. Hillary will support him if he wins the nomination.
I doubt if he will support her if she wins.
Again, color me surprised. We’ll see how “wirey” he is as the mighty right wing wurlitzer winds up.
I suppose JR, as you stood with your son and watched the flag burning up you had your loving arm around his shoulder?
After it was over, you then escorted him to get his free medical care courtesy of the red, white, and blue?
“WTF? sorry I’m not a scaredy cat like you.”
Indeed. My friend from Australia, after traveling through the airports to get to Austin, had this to say.
“Bloody hell you yanks are always afraid. Of everything.”
Ya know annie, that’s why we call ‘em bedwetters.
Heh, and on a lighter note…
Remember that the phelps clan always holds their flag signs upside down also as a sign of distress.
You said it kfg.
And the right suspects they can savage Obama if they get the chance.
That is why GMC is here trying to throw his apron in front of Obama.
Let all the prisoners out then Annie, and see if there still is no major crime committed against you.
Just unbolt the doors and let em run free. Save $50k a year if that’s what you say the figure is.
Then don’t complain when the crime rate goes up.
It’s not worth $50,000 to prevent a rape is it?
I think you’re wrong, “ksfarmgrrl” –
If Hillary gets the nomination, Obama will campaign for her; might even run with her!
And, just an example of how the Republic Party’s slime strategy can be countered, look at what Wikipedia gives us should McCain’s people attack Michelle Obama:
“…In 1989, Cindy McCain became addicted to opioid painkillers such as Percocet and Vicodin.[22] She later attributed her addiction to pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs[23][24] as well as emotional stress during her husband’s entanglement in the Keating Five scandal of that time,[22] which also involved her role as a bookkeeper who had difficulty finding receipts of Keating-related expenses.[14] The addiction progressed to the point where she resorted to stealing drugs from her own AVMT.[23] During 1992, Tom Gosinski, the director of government and international affairs for AVMT, discovered her drug theft.[25] “
Randy,
Obama is trying to earn the votes of the American people. While I have seen a lot of attaks showing a lack of patriotism I have yet to see anything that he has done to show he is a patriot who is tied to this country.
It’s probably because right now he is after the MoveOn.org vote. Can’t be too patriotic in Democratic primaries.
wow-
Looks like Monkeyhawk went with the first attack.
Rich, white, blond woman who abuses prescription drugs and buys her way out of a conviction?
No big deal. See also Pat Nixon.
Strong black woman who is a successful professional and speaks her mind about the reality of America?
Veeeeeeeeery big deal. See also Cynthia McKinney.
Big effin’ eye roll.
The American flag is a symbol of patriotism. If Obama refuses to honor it, he may suffer the consequences. It will be his choice. H may have a new twist but those who proudly salute the flag may not appreciate his whipper-snapper ways.
…and did we mention that Cindy McCain was never prosecuted?
…and it’s not just a blond fetish. It’s a blond with extremely wide set eyes fetish.
proudman – good point. Action patriotic doesn’t win liberal hearts and minds.
Monkeyhawk: Cindy McCain in 1989. Relevancy?
BTW: Was Obama still using street drugs back then?
AmWay,
You are just bringin a tear to JR’s eyes. He sees nothing wrong with what he did.
JR has no clue why that he is free today because of others who have sacrificed so much in the past.
JR has no clue why he is able to burn his own flag today.
JR has no clue what it took to raise these two flags:
http://www.iwojima.com/raising/lflagi.gif
http://www.lclark.edu/~mreyes/Images/Raising%20flag%20at%20Iwo%20Jima.png
Please link to story that Obama has never honored the flag.
You think that because he refuses to wear a made in china, 49cent PIN?
heh. heheh. HEHEHEHEH. HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEEEEEEE!
“AUTHOR: Samuel Johnson (1709–84)
QUOTATION: Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
ATTRIBUTION: SAMUEL JOHNSON.—James Boswell, Life of Johnson, entry for Friday, April 7, 1775, p. 615 (1970).
“In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first.”—Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary, at entry for patriotism, The Collected Writings of Ambrose Bierce, p. 323 (1946, reprinted 1973).
Amen to the former and the latter.
JR
If I have to live with a Dem, you damn right I’d rather it be Obama, though I’d rather run against Hillary, as Obama’s simply a better campaigner. And I’ll gleefully participate to the extent I can, thanks.
Neither one has the resume to be President, of course. But resume is not everything. We know how Hillary acts when given the levers of power (remember the Hillarycare fiasco? – she managed to even piss off her own party with her dictatorial management style, bless her black little statist heart. Remember the FBI files mess? Really want to give her control of the IRS?).
Obama may have the same sort of agenda, but he appears, at least, to put a much better face on it and recognizes that politics ALWAYS means compromise. One can compromise without giving up on core principles. That was Reagan’s talent; even when he compromised, as he often did, one never doubted where he stood. You may disagree with those principles, of course, and I’m sure you do. Hell, you condemn Obama for recognizing the obvious: Reagan was an enormous figure. Rightly or wrongly, we live in an economic and political reality largely put in place by Ronald Reagan; Clinton’s good economic record was built largely on Reagan’s foundation. Just say thank you.
Compromise isn’t a dirty word, JR. It’s reality.
And if the result is stalement, well, that’s probably a good thing. We often forget that this government wasn’t designed to be fast, or politically efficient; stalemate is part and parcel of the package. And remember, in most cases, the best action government can take is none at all.
OMG, bush shreds the constitution by illegal wiretapping and buries habeus corpus and you all want to lecture JR about how his “freedoms” were bought and paid for?
Perhaps you should also cc bush.
max who said anything about letting the scarry convicts out of the joint? I’m just passing on wisdom from Milton Friedman. Remember him I thought he was one of your hero’s or do you guys just talk the talk not walk the walk?Use the google get informed that’s why AL Gore invented the internet don’t be afraid……..
“Compromise isn’t a dirty word, JR.”
Then… WHY doesnt bush recognize it and pass it along as a key word for his merry band of henchmen in congress?
Compromise may not be a dirty word, but appeasement is.
just ask pelosi and reid.
“Clinton’s good economic record was built largely on Reagan’s foundation.”
WTF?
As an economist, gmc is a great lawyer…
Just like as an accountant, Willie Nelson is a great guitar player…
If I wear an American flag pin while burning an American flag will the faux patriots figure that it cancels everything out? What added benefits to I get for wearing a stupid pin? Do I get a discount on merchandise at Wal-Mart? Maybe I can be allowed to drive my car on sidewalks? Since the Rethuglicans can only attack Obama about empty gestures like lapel pins they must not be able to debate him on the issues.
Since you like guitar music and folk song KFG, I adapted a Woody Guthrie song for ya. Will be ready in a few as soon as Youtube processes it. :)
The graphics are kind of cheesy, but I like the arrangement I made of the old Guthrie song. :)
J R
Posted February 26, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
“AUTHOR: Samuel Johnson (1709–84)
QUOTATION: Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
ATTRIBUTION: SAMUEL JOHNSON.—James Boswell, Life of Johnson, entry for Friday, April 7, 1775, p. 615 (1970).
“In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first.”—Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary, at entry for patriotism, The Collected Writings of Ambrose Bierce, p. 323 (1946, reprinted 1973).
Amen to the former and the latter.
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Go tell your story face-to-face with some WWII vets JR. OR some current vets today. Tell them how proud you were when you burned the American Flag.
But don’t think you are manly to be posting this story on a blog.
Heh, I forgot to post a link to Prine’s “Mulenburg County” song.
“and daddy wont you take me back to Mulenburg county….I’m sorry my son, but your too late in asking, MR PEABODY’S COAL TRAIN HAS HAULED IT AWAY!”
Sounds like Kansas in a few years.
Regular
Posted February 26, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink
hmmm, maybe I should run for office…
(puts on best Negro Spiritual voice with back up choir)
Racist and a bigot
So what Tom?
This African Halloween Costume is a democrat thing.
Barrack and Hillary are almost the same on the issues. All Hillary has left is her sophmoric attemps to paint Obama as an inexperienced Muslim.
Obama doesn’t seem to have to have anything to get supporters.
What he have is left and lefter trying to get the votes of dumb and dumber.
Max,
I have no problem with his right to burn the flag.
Me personally, I would only burn a flag because it has became unservicable and in a private ceremony.
It is as precious to me today, as it was under every president I have lived under. It is not the presidents flag. But I understand burning it in public is a form of protected protest. I wouldn’t burn it when a new president is sworn in (sort of a patriotic day to me).
I just thought how odd it must be explaing to his son it is o.k. to burn the flag in protest, and in the next sentence say, “Come on now, let’s go get some FREE HEALTHCARE.”
Okay kfg, here’s the song and video…
I made it in mind trying to take a snapshot of your complex life, filled with struggle and frustration, but yet somehow you always show up with a smile on your face.
This is for you kfg. Hope you don’t find it offensive. It’s my simplistic view in my mind what might go through your mind in flashes of memory.
Guthrie style of course….
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lH0EPwQjlJM
This reminds me of “Regular’s” important considerations for a church last night on another thread.
A lapel pin is really an issue for some people!
Remember, Senator Larry (”Wide Stance”) Craig was prouldly wearing his flag lapel pin for his gay sex sollicitation mug shot!
Maybe it’s code for Republic Party members who’re in the closet.
Go tell your story face-to-face with some WWII vets JR. OR some current vets today. Tell them how proud you were when you burned the American Flag.
But don’t think you are manly to be posting this story on a blog.
See Max that’s redneck talk, a real American would understand that he fought for someone so they could act like an assho#e. Unlike a commie who expects conformity……All hail the King
Max, we are not “terribly divided”.
I would just feel better if I could get to someone in the Obama campaign who would get me a truthful answer to my questions.
I am concerned that Obama could turn into a repeat of George McGovern if he doesn’t get better control of his campaign, or Jimmy Carter, who stabbed me in the back in a big way back in 1979.
I know John McCain and his cable industry masters wants to put me out of business.
I know Hillary Clinton will preserve my business, and enforce policies to help it grow (wrap your lips around that, my Republican friends).
I just have literally millions of reasons why I would feel better if I got a straight answer out of Obama on communications issues.
Oh MAN. And just like that, here it is!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DEy6EuZp9IY&feature=related
Oh wow. I forgot how much I loved this song. I’m bookmarking this for the next Holcomb thread.
“and they wrote it all down, as the progress of man”.
Ya gotta watch the video at the link too.
And for all you gun folks…
“where the air smelled like snakes, we’d shoot with our pistols, but empty pop bottles was all we would kill”
Fish – I really liked that movie, didn’t find it boring at all. At the end, very disturbing.
wow reg, that’s kinda cute :)
Thanks. I love that song too.
Wow. I’m very touched. Thank you.
Mr. C, I’m with ya. It’s not so much what I know about obama that makes me nervous.
It’s what I dont know.
And he wont say.
““where the air smelled like snakes, we’d shoot with our pistols, but empty pop bottles was all we would kill”
“And yet another tale of the Mother Truckin’ Glib Blues goes on over yonder’s hill”
Refrain
(?)
“You think that because he refuses to wear a made in china, 49cent PIN?”
Price and origin have nothing to do with the Stars and Stripes. It was silly of him to refuse. That act may indeed catch up to him.
http://www.ontheissues.org
These songs just cry out for Rage, CF, and JM Walker, the WEBlog trio.
HEE HEE HEE Gster. And if we add you and Crowson, we could have the WEBlog five.
Thanks dude!
And if spring doesnt get here soon, it’s gonna take Mr Peabody’s coal train to haul ME away!
With a communist mentor and an affinity to dress up in African garb, Obama may be cutting his own throat. Add to that his willingness to pump billions of dollars into Mexico and other foreign aid and his shine begins to dull.
MonkeyHawk:
Was this your idea of an answer for me?
“Barack Obama on technology:
Organizes campaign events via MySpace.com and FaceBook.com. (Oct 2007)”?
I’ve listened to some great tunes today – thank you fellow posters, with a bow to kfg and regular. Music really is the universal language, isn’t it!?
“mrcontroversy” –
Actually, it was more for the benefit of “ksfarmgrrl,” and I’m sorry your specific issues isn’t covered. I simply found http://www.ontheissues.org a good resource for all the candidates and an awful of issues.
Is your specific issue covered under the Hillary Clinton items at http://www.ontheissues.org? If not, perhaps it’s a bit arcane. How did you learn Senator Clinton’s position on your specific issue? Perhaps that resource might help you clarify Senator Obama’s views.
I dunno.
Just seems to me, with all the wingnut claims about their opponents’ supposed positions, an independent clearing house such as ontheissues.org would be helpful for everyone.
Ya Linda. And.. this is my favorite JP song of all time. You may remember Bonnie Raitt doing it, but JP wrote it.
“To believe in this livin’ is just a hard way to go”.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dpuJisDGldM&feature=related
Here’s another good site, similar to ontheissues.org
http://votesmart.org/index.htm
KFG — That Muhlenburg County is a GREAT song… Looks like a pictue of old Big Brutus down by Pittsburgh… They had one of those big old diggers about a mile from where I lived back in Ohio….
I saw some barges on the Mississippi River at St. Louis that said: PEABODY COAL CO. Sort of a sad site to see :-(
HEE HEE HEE. And this applies to the WEblog…
“it dont make no sense that common sense dont make no sense no more…”
Yeah Chas, someday some kid is gonna sing “daddy wont you take me back to Finney county”…
The Voting Record tab I’ve found to be especially informative:
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
It speaks to what a candidate has DONE vs what they SAY they will do.
Are their promises of the future consistent with their voting record of the past?
KFG
This is your hero?
Cynthia McKinney.
Other factors in her defeat were her controversial statements regarding Bush’s involvement in 9/11,[10][11] and her opposition to aid to Israel and a perceived support of Palestinian and Arab causes and alleged anti-Semitism by her supporters. On the night before the primary election, McKinney’s father stated on Atlanta television that “Jews have bought everybody … J-E-W-S” in the election, presumably referring to heavy contributions from supporters of Israel.[10]
[edit] Between terms
McKinney wrote in CounterPunch on September 13, 2002, that Judge Joe Brown told the Congressional Black Caucus unequivocally that the “murder rifle” was not the weapon that killed Dr. Martin Luther King.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney
Cynthia McKinney is a nut job. She is, without a doubt, one of the most unstable mental cases to ever serve in the US Congress!
Arcane, yes.
But if you believe the First Amendment belongs to all Americans, then I think it’s an important issue.
Still, the bottom line for me is this… get me two minutes with Dan Watkins on the phone, and we’ll be fine.
Problem is, I’ve made 5 phone calls to Obama’s Lawrence headquarters, and not ONE of the people who has answered the phone knew he was Obama’s Kansas campaign manager.
How can you go to work somewhere and not know who your boss is?
I’ve loved Cynthia McKinney ever since she said 2000 was the “bush family coup d’etat of the United States”.
And then the republican leadership of the house made her sit down and stfu for the rest of the day.
Really. That was her punishment for saying the truth. She was NOT allowed to speak. For the rest of the day.
I dont agree with every single thing she has said, but I LOVE HER!
Coup d’etat indeed. She’s been proven right over and over again.
And the biggest whine from the good ol boys about her is her HAIR!
Jesus WEPT!
evangelists dont ask too many questions Mr. C.
“mrcontroversy” –
http://tinyurl.com/2b6yqp
Hehehehe Paulie.
“McKinney’s father stated”
I bet we are ALL glad we havent been painted with something our parents said…
I bet your kids want YOU to sit down and stfu sometimes too.
So… we can judge the catholic church by what some pedophile priests have said?
“Jesus, save me from your followers”
Yes, TDT. Makes me somewhat more tolerant of Nate. He still scares the bejeebers outta me, though. i just know I’m going to be in the same mall with him, I go to scratch my butt, and he has 2 clips in me before i get to the crack. “had to been goin’ fer an uzi, y’see. He has long hair, so ya know he’s some kinda red pinko. Now which leg did I stuff that throwdown into”.
JR, while I agree you had a right to burn the flag and explain to your son why you were doing it (hopefully he’s of the age he can actually understand), it isn’t something I’d personally do. It’s just a rag to me, but I still have the respect for what it means to other people. I believe the biggest mistake you made in the whole ordeal was to even mention on here with all the crazies. I mean, you have people in this forum whose sense of logic is “If you’re not so afraid of every shadow and bump in the night you’re not willing to incarcerate and endlessly torture everyone on the planet, then you’re a coward”
Mr C — you sure you got the right Dan Watkins??
And
On JR
JR says that he “used to be a Republican” and that he “voted for Reagan” once.
I called him on that. His “evidence” to back up his claim? He says he wrote “Fritz and Tits call it quits” on the chalk board, at WSU, when Reagan won the election.
JR also claims that he was an anti-abortion protester, at the Summer of Mercy.
I called him on that.
JR’s anectdote, to back up that claim? JR says he shouted “baby killer” at women going into Tiller’s clinic. I know, from experience, that nearly everyone who is truly prolife would have scolded JR, for acting that way, if it really happened. The purpose of those prolifers, at the clinics, is to change hearts and minds and get the women to talk to them, and keep their babies.
Anyway, how is it that a guy that “used to be a Republican” and a Reagan supporter, and a prolifer, could come to HATE Republicans so much that he would burn an American flag, in “protest” when Bush won?
By the way, where did this “brave” flag burning happen? In public, where JR could make a real “point” or in his back yard, behind a fence?
Now, let us look at the time line here. JR only voted ONCE for a Republican, Reagan, by his own account. He says his Dad got mad at him for that. Rather odd comment, but that is what he said.
Now, The Summer of Mercy happened under George W. Bush, not Reagan. Bush 1 even filed a motion, in Judge Kelly’s Court, telling Kelly that the order of his Court was not proper. (The Supreme Court, and the 10th Circuit, later said the same thing.)
So, JR Votes for Reagan? (writing Fritz/Tits)
Then, JR votes for — Dukakis, against Bush
Then, JR goes to the Summer of Mercy protests, as a pro life protester?
—Then, JR burns an American Flag in protest, when George H.W. Bush defeats Al Gore, a result supported by every single “recount” of the Florida election, and every investigation of said election?
— Let us not forget JR’s radical labor union mentality.
I, for one, find it hard to believe that JR could ever have voted for Reagan, or that could ever have been a prolifer.
Yes, there are prolife Democrats.
Yes, there were Reagan Democrats.
Still, if all JR has said, on this Blog, is true,
We need some Grateful Dead music1
“What A Long Strange Trip It Has Been”!!
I am guessing that JR makes stuff up rather frequently, but I could be wrong.
Why do I hedge?
Well, when he was “Pro Reagan” he presents himself as a caricature, he presents himself in the simplistic way that Democrat activists view Republicans, “Fritz and Tits call it Quits”
And, when he presents himself as a “prolifer” he presents himself as a caricature, he presents himself in the simplistic way that prochoicers view prolifers, screaming “babykiller”
However, this is JR.
I can, honestly, see JR being a real Jerk, what ever the “flavor of the month” cause he supports, at the time.
Still, how did a Labor Union radical ever support Reagan?
How could he ever have supported Reagan, in one election, and then, more than 5 years later, after voting for Dukakis, how could he have been “prolife”?
Talk radio hosts know all about “Seminar callers” or people who claim, “I used to be Republican BUT”
The “conversion claim” is usually a false conversion
People are persuaded by those who can relate to them. People are more easily persuaded by those who have history or life experiences in common.
JR is stuck on the idea that he can pretend that he was once “conservative” and that, somehow, the really stupid readers of this Blog will be persuaded that, due to JR’s life experiences and anecdotes, they too should “reject” Republicanism and Conservatism.
JR can not name a SINGLE conservative principle that he EVER supported. Even if you give JR the opportunity to say he ONCE believed in something, yet changed his mind, he STILL won’t tell you why he ever felt he was a “Republican” or a “Conservative”. JR sure can not claim that he vote for Reagan because he was “prolife” — Because he later voted for Dukakis over Bush 1, and then, after that, he was a Summer of Mercy protester, YEARS later???
JR treats Ronald Reagan with the worst kind of hatred and vile contempt, not even giving Reagan the respect he deserves for supporting Lech Walesa and Solidarity, most recently.
NOPE, I do not buy JR’s stories.
Unless, of course, JR hates himself, how could he so revile and hate those he used to agree with?
Chas.:
That was the last I heard. Of course, if they don’t know who’s in charge, how are the rest of us supposed to?
MH:
Wrong #.
If I had to answer for stuff my Dad said, I would be in major doo doo… Dad could use the “N” word more times in a day that David Duke!!
Mr C — Have you tried the SG County Democratic Headquarters office??
Sorry
George W. Bush beat Al Gore, not HW Bush.
Mr C — try this scdphq@hotmail.com
Chas and KFG
I believe that Cynthia McKinneys father was active in her campaign
She was, therefore, responsible for what her Dad said.
Also, she NEVER repudiated the anti-Jewish remarks her Father made.
Furthermore, Cynthia McKinney does not believe in the official account of the MLK case.
Furthermore, Cynthia McKinney is a 9-11 conspiracy kook.
Chas:
I called… turns out Dan is now working full time in the Obama campaign and is in Ohio as we speak.
Good call on Obama’s part. Watkins is one of the best there is.
Sucks to be me though.
Geez, Paulie doesnt like Cynthia McKinney?
Color me shocked…
I do like her, very much. I dont believe the official 9/11 or JFK or MLK accounts either.
But please, have another pitcher of koolaide and dont forget to believe whatever your government tells ya.
Phil, I’ve met JR’s son and his Mom and they are wonderful people. I guess if you cant refute what JR says, you can always take cheap shots and him and his son.
Loser.
Geez, that is waaaaaaay lower than anything said about toddly’s son….
Here ya go philly. This is just for you.
http://health.yahoo.com/experts/drmao/12306/boost-your-brain-power/
If tomorrow all the things were gone I’ve begged for all my life, And I had to start again with just my son but without a wife.
I’d thank my flag burning stars to be living here today, ‘Cause the flag never stood for freedom and they can’t take that away.
And I’m not proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I just forgot the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly turn my back next to you and spit on her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I hate this land No god bless the U.S.A.
From Detroit down to Houston and New York to LA, Well, there’s hate in every American heart, and it’s time to stand and say:
And I’m not proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
And I just forgot the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I’d gladly turn my back next to you and spit on her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I hate this land No god bless the U.S.A.
KFG
You do realize, don’t you, that “Koolaide drinking” was made famous by the suicides at Jonestown.
Jonestown was a MARXIST organization, which supported liberal Democrats when it was still on US soil.
Glad you made that connection Mr. C
Econ — IF she is responsible for her father’s comments, as you believe — THEN she should have told him to Shut up!! In front of a camera…
One point, Econ… I have NEVER in my entire career… met a BLACK person who was Anti-Semitic… NEVER!! I would see that as some sort of oxymoron…. and perhaps some kind of political hype…
Congressman Leo Joseph Ryan, Jr. (May 5, 1925–November 18, 1978) an American politician of the Democratic Party. Died trying to get the people out.
A whole dissertation on lil ol’ me paulie?
Glad I get at ya that bad.
I don’t care what you believe.
I don’t think much of anybody else does either.
“I have NEVER in my entire career… met a BLACK person who was Anti-Semitic… NEVER!!”
chas, I’d like you to meet Mr. Farakan and Mr. Jackson. Mr. Farakan, Mr. Jackson, Mr. chas.
” I have NEVER in my entire career… met a BLACK person who was Anti-Semitic… NEVER!! ”
Chas,
Are you familiar with Al (not so)Sharpton and Jessie (the jackass) Jackson? Or have you just never met them?
“The Nation of Islam’s account of the slave trade, The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews: Volume One, presents a multi-layered attack against the Jewish people; it assaults the integrity of the Jewish religion, the meaning of Jewish history, and the foundations of Jewish scholarship upon which the book’s own fraudulent charges are based.”
Mr. Obama meet Mr. Farakan.
Thats right AmWay… And many of us who knew Jim Jones, also know that he SNAPPED…
Before the snap, he was one terrific preacher!! He did a LOT for MANY, MANY needy people… in Indiana, and in San Francisco…
What happened to him?? Nobody knows for sure… BUT, Leo Ryan went down there to get some people out; and also to try to get Jim back home, and into a hospital… It was tragic that his trip didnt work… even more tragic that the man he went to help, turned on him, and had him killed… Very SAD tale…
Beat me to it Fleet.
Chas supporting the Great Rev Jim Jones!
Why am I NOT surprised?
“And many of us who knew Jim Jones, also know that he SNAPPED…”
So, chas knew Jim Jones, but has never met a Black anti-semite.
I know another preacher who SNAPPED!
Paul – as I recall the Rev Jones was also a Christian. Does that make all Christians koolaide drinkers?
Chas has only met 3 black people.
P Herroni is a multinic multifaceted Liar!!
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Gosh “P” Did you know Jim Bakker??
Chas – sadly, there is a great deal of anti-Semitism in certain elements of the Black community. I find this particularly sad because of the history of Jews participating so much in the early days of the Civil Rights movement in the Jim Crow South.
“So, chas knew Jim Jones, but has never met a Black anti-semite.”
I think that white folks in general have most of the market on anti-Semitism.
There are racially and ethnically prejudice people of all colors, but the majority would be your average true blue white American.
Like McCluer and Herroni, et al – they are obviously anti-Semitic.
If you “people” dont knock off with the racist crap, you’re gonna get the thread shut down again!! These WE people dont put up with that stuff!! Neither do I!!
Oh and thanks the kind words there kfg.
I find you one of the warmest and friendliest people I have ever met.
What are you going to do about it Chazzy?
Cry for your Mommy?
true blue white
Damn, I don’t remember that one in my box of Crayolas.
I have to agree, Clark. While I’ve also noticed many who are predjudiced against have their own extreme bigotries.
When’s the flag burning party?
Farakan is a LOT of goofy, mixed up things… However, Anti-Semitic isnt one of them… He has issues with ISRAEL… as a Nation… but not with Jewish People (the religion)…
Sharpton I do not know… Sharpton has his own problems… but, not an Anti-Semite…
I DO KNOW Jackson… worked on his 1988 Campaign… also worked on his Operation Breadbasket program in Chicago… back in the early years…
And, I have preached in numerous black congregations over the years…
Like I said, you all best knock off with the Racial crap, or I imagine you will get the thread shut down — AGAIN…
Just wrap one around yourself, Pee.
Pat yourselves on the backs for beings such warm caring and non-discriminating people.
We be on sacred cyber ground here.
cough cough cough
Its the one that looks like a blue and white candy cane, Ghoti LOL
Farrakhan In His Own Words On Jews
“Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?… Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we’re the murders; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”
“Justifiable Homicide: Black Youth in Peril (Part 3)” speech at Mosque Maryam, 11/11/07
“The real anti-Semites are those who came out of Europe and settled in Palestine, and now they call themselves the true Jews, when in fact, they converted to Judaism.”
Al Jazeera TV interview, 3/18/07
“These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood that is seeding the American people and the people of the world and bringing you down in moral strength…It’s the wicked Jews the false Jews that are promoting Lesbianism, homosexuality. It’s wicked Jews, false Jews that make it a crime for you to preach the word of God, then they call you homophobic!”
Saviours’ Day, Chicago, Illinois, 2/26/06
I still have boxes and boxes of broken/used/abused crayons from the older two. I don’t think we’ve bought crayons in 15 years. I know they have new colors every year, I just can’t keep up.
We did break down a couple years ago and get a crayon remelter. Don’t waste your money…all the colors you end up making stink.
Farrakhan In His Own Words On Jews
“I’m not an anti-Semite, I never have been one. I do not hate the Jewish people; put that down! What I hate is the degree of control that they exercise over Black intellectual, cultural expression. I do not think that no human being should determine how high we can go, that can only be determined by God and by us; not by no white man, no black man, no human being [crowd cheers].”
Millions More Movement rally, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 8/31/05
“Now the thinking of these neoconservatives is written of in scripture. In the book of Revelations, 2 and 9, it reads, ‘I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not but are a synagogue of Satan.’ What is the blasphemy? A Jew is a noble name. A Jew means one who is in a covenant relationship with God in obedience to the divine laws, statues and commandments of God. But these people claim to be Jews but they’re not in obedience to God’s law, they have given a mission of evil a divine look on it. And George W. Bush has swallowed that bait, hook line and sinker. The synagogue of Satan is a gathering of persons of like mind and spirit who are in opposition to the will of God. So Paul said we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers that are not of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places.
National Press Club, Washington, D.C., 5/3/2004
“Dewey, Kant and Hegel, and the rabbis that wrote the Talmud, make blacks inferior.”
National Black Agenda Convention, Boston, 3/18/04
“I call them the so-called Jews because to be a Jew you have to adhere to the statutes and laws that create the special relationship. How can you be a Jew and promote homosexual marriage?”
National Black Agenda Convention, Boston, 3/18/04
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words2/on_jews.asp
Ben — It might be there in some places… BUt, I hae not seen it… In fact, I have heard the exact opposite… Blacks are normally very at-one with the Jewish Community… and not just because they have a common ground in terms of discrimination…
And again, I sense that much of what us white folks are seeing is a certain amount of Black animosity towards the GOVERNMENT of the Nation of Israel… not hostilities against the Jewish Faith…
Chas
You really are clueless, arent you?
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“Chas.
Posted February 26, 2008 at 3:09 pm | Permalink
Econ — IF she is responsible for her father’s comments, as you believe — THEN she should have told him to Shut up!! In front of a camera…
One point, Econ… I have NEVER in my entire career… met a BLACK person who was Anti-Semitic… NEVER!! I would see that as some sort of oxymoron…. and perhaps some kind of political hype…
——
The Nation of Islam, and Louis Farakhan, are blatantly, openly anti-Semitic. He calls the Jewish Faith a “gutter religion”
Also, Jessie Jackson called New York City “Hymie Town”
It is not even worth digging up all of the quotes, from Black leaders, who are also anti Jewish.
There are way too many quotes and actions out there to list them all!
Farrakhan In His Own Words On Jews
“See, you so called Jews – I’m not gonna give you the credit for being one of those that obey God. You portrayed us, you know what images do, that’s why you jumped on Mel Gibson. But you painted us, big lips, red eyes, kinky hair, you put in the movies like that. You mocked our characteristics and made us to hate God’s creation of us. You did that. Hollywood did that….You take our strongest, more courageous black minds, you think we don’t see you? And you put us in Hollywood. You give us television shows, and then we gotta bug our eyes.”
Saviours’ Day Speech, Chicago, 2/29/04
“You don’t mention the horror of our suffering. Here’s why…it’s because of something called the Hamitic curse. Now I know that this is kinda rough. But according to the Babylonian scholars, writers of the Talmud, not the Torah, but Talmud. Now I want you to listen….Look at this now, the Hamitic curse was written off in the Talmud 400 years after the birth of Jesus. And the way they wrote it was, I got to find the exact words, ‘cause it’s really powerful….Oh, Lord, let me find it. I’m gonna take my time. Oh boy, well I’m gonna say it, in the Talmud they talk abut because he looked at Noah in that condition and marked the redness of his eyes, the turning of his head made these kinks in his hair, the thickness of his lips – that’s our features. We were black and cursed.
Saviours’ Day Speech, Chicago, 2/29/04
“But what you have in the Bible has been added to and taken away from by the Jews. Oh here goes this anti-Semite.’ This Koran says that the Jews have altered the word of God out of its place. They did not want the masters of the people to know what Jesus really said, what Moses really said, because then you wouldn’t have a yardstick to measure their deviations.”
–”What is Islam?,” speech at Mosque Maryam,
Chicago, 11/23/03
“What had they done to deserve such a harsh judgment from God? Those who are Jews and those who are Christians, those who believe in Allah on the last day, they have their reward from their Lord. There are beautiful members of the Jewish community who are trying their utmost to follow the law and the teachings of Moses and the prophets that God sent to Israel. But there’s another Jew who is not really a Jew. He is an imposter posing as Jew. In the Bible, in the book of Revelations [it] says… ‘Those who say they are Jews and are not, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan.’ Who are the masters of Hollywood, how could you be a righteous Jew and promote that which is forbidden by the God of Israel? Come on now. How could you be a righteous Jew and publish the filth that is published daily feeding the minds of the American people and the people of the world filth and indecency, and making it fair seeming in their eye?”
“What is Islam?,” speech at Mosque Maryam,
Chicago, 11/23/03
“We know that the most powerful people in the country, many of whom are Jews, don’t like Farrakhan.”
What is Islam?,” speech at Mosque Maryam,
Chicago, 11/23/03
“Even though the Koran says and the prophet Mohammed predicted that the Mahdi would come, somebody would come as a guide. Why? Because his own community had lost the path that he had put them on. Christians, you have lost the path that Jesus put you on. And the Jewish or Hebrew community lost the path that Moses and the prophets of Israel put the Jewish people on. We’re off that path.”
–8th Anniversary The Holy Day of Atonement speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 10/16/03
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words2/on_jews.asp
And paulthecon offers his personal expertise on bigotry.
I’ll take him at his word since he used to be recruited to beat up people in parks.
Econ… I worked with Jesse Jackson… Jckson is NOT Anti-Semitic… His Hymie Town quote — like many other things said by public figures — was taken WAY out of context… and blown WAY out of proportion… by people working against Jackson’s programs, and his political agenda… Watch what you say about Jackson, cause, Econ, I KNOW the man… and YOU dont!!
Hmmm,
Seems like Obama is not as blinded toward Farrakhan as you seem to be!
“I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan,” Obama said in a statement. “I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree.”
Farrakhan is a little over the top when it comes to homosexuals too!
It appears that in his 2006 Africa tour, Barack Hussein Obamanation, a man that extremist Muslim Louis Farrakhan calls “the hope of the entire world,” was in thick with Somali Muslims – remember, they are the ones that shot down American servicemen and dragged their bodies through the streets.
Also, the board of a nonprofit organization on which Obamanation served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe” and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens. Rashid Khalidi is the terrorist co-founder of the Arab Muslim group and a supporter and fundraiser for Obamanation, whom Muslims view as a Palestinian sympathizer. Remember the Palestinians who laughed and clapped and celebrated on 09/11/01? They are supporting Obamanation.
Meanwhile, Iraqi Muslim terrorists have started planting bombs in wheelchairs, a tactic they might eventually employ here in the USofA, if leftist Democrats are allowed to declare a defeat and run from Iraq in January, 2009, as both Obamanation and Hog Futures Hillary promise.
We have now heard from PUKE-KAY
Hank – thanks for the post. Farrakhan is definitely “out there”
Farakan is MANY things… crazy, egomaniac, historical scholar(but takes things out of context) – however, he does make a good point about Hollywood (except it wasnt just Jewish people running Hollywood)…
And yes, Farakan says a lot of really garbage stuff… But… he also points out a lot of hypocrisy.
And some of what he says about the Jews in that Chicago speech, he maybe should have directed at the white community at large…
BUT… he didnt… he screwed up… And he does that frequently…
So, what is your racist point, Herroni??
Hymie Town quote … taken WAY out of context
What possible context could a racial slur like that be in to take away the racial slur?
Chas.
So, you worked with Jackson, too?
I was an organizer in his ‘88 campaign.
Hopefully his prophacy will be fullfilled some day and the ‘mothership’ will return and take him away again, for good!
Black Muslims vs White Jews
Jewish groups stay low key on black youth marches
DEBRA NUSSBAUM COHEN
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
NEW YORK — Khalid Muhammad and the Nation of Islam are coming to town, and Jewish groups are reacting with surprising restraint — both in New York, where the former Nation of Islam spokesman is planning a Million Youth March in Harlem over Labor Day weekend, and in Atlanta, where the Nation of Islam is planning a similar gathering the same weekend.
Leaders of Jewish organizations in New York have made a concerted effort to stay low key.
They have been able to do so, they say, because Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and the black community’s leaders are publicly saying exactly what they had hoped would be said about the unrepentantly racist, virulently anti-Semitic Muhammad.
Giuliani, whose administration has denied Muhammad a permit to hold his march in Harlem on the Saturday of Labor Day weekend, has called it a “hate march” because of its leader’s “race-baiting and anti-Semitic” comments.
The Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee and the American Jewish Congress have all publicly said little about the upcoming march.
“We have reached out behind the scenes, but there’s no reason for us to rachet up the tension and pressure,” said Adam Segall, New York regional director for the ADL.
The executive director of the New York Jewish Community Relations Council, Michael Miller, would openly say only that “Khalid Muhammad is an unrepentant anti-Semite, bigot, and any event associated with him can produce no positive net result.”
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/9373/edition_id/179/format/html/displaystory.html
Watch what you say about Jackson, cause, Econ, I KNOW the man
So then you KNOW about the Rainbow coalition, their strong arm tactics, and race baiting? And you still stick up for him…
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) denounced former Sen. Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., who opposed the Iraq war. Hollings blamed the war on Israel, stating, “With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush’s policy to secure Israel. . . . [S]preading democracy in the Mideast to secure Israel would take the Jewish vote from the Democrats.” The ADL’s Abraham Foxman said, “This is reminiscent of age-old, anti-Semitic canards about a Jewish conspiracy to control and manipulate government.”
Tell me, Hollywood, why does “documentarian” Michael Moore get a pass? Moore, speaking to an audience in Liverpool, England, denounced the war in Iraq, arguing that America entered into it because of “the oil companies, Israel, Halliburton.” Weren’t former Sen. Hollings and Moore making the same point — that Israel exerts undue influence over America’s politicians, forcing America into a war for Israel’s national security, rather than our own? When Hollings says it, the ADL denounced it as a slur. But when Moore — represented by a powerful Jewish agent — says the same thing, nothing.
And what about the entertainment industry’s acceptance of Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, despite their anti-Semitic remarks? Jackson, of course, called Jews “Hymie,” and New York City “Hymietown” — while sober — and initially denied making the slurs. Jackson’s friend, the anti-Semitic Minister Louis Farrakhan, threatened the life of the reporter who “outed” Jackson, and publicly warned Jews not to harm Jackson. Despite pleas to do so, Jackson to this day refuses to condemn Farrakhan, a man who once called Judaism a “gutter religion.” CNN later awarded Jackson a television show called “Both Sides with Jesse Jackson.” Not bad.
Sharpton referred to Jews as “diamond merchants” during an uprising in the Crown Heights area of New York, and said, “If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.” William Morris, one of Hollywood’s most powerful agencies, began representing Sharpton in 2004, and almost immediately landed him a hosting gig for a cable network reality show called “I Hate My Job.” TV One now airs Sharpton’s show “Sharp Talk,” and some Hollywood trade papers recently reported on plans for Sharpton to play himself in a CBS sitcom called “Al in the Family.”
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder081006.php3
Hey Chas.,
You left out homophobe!
Chas
Jessie Jackson is a self promoting race hustler.
Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton have both done and said terrible things towards Jews.
Not just against Israel, but against American Jews.
You are either a deliberate liar, Chas, or one of the most naive people I have ever read, on this Blog.
I’m sure Obamakhan will unite the black muslims and the white jews.
And some of what he says about the Jews in that Chicago speech, he maybe should have directed at the white community at large…
So you aren’t against racism, as long as it is pointed at “white America”?
Whoa!!! Folks!!! I already said Farakan is a whole LOT of things…. But, much of what he says about Jewish people in his speeches is pointing out what HE sees as hypocrisies of their Faith and Action… NOT as OPPOSED to True Judaism… THAT in and of itself is not Anti-Semitic…
Anymore than pointing out the hypocrisies of people like Ted Haggard, or Jim Bakker, or Pat Robertson, or Larry Craig, is being Anti-Christian…
And yes, Farakan says some really BAD stuff about the gay community… He is out of touch with the majority of the Black Community on that one too!!
So, let’s not make this a Bash Farakan section… Because it so quickly turns into a racist type activity!!
NO SOL please stay focused
Because it so quickly turns into a racist type activity!!
So pointing out racism is a racist activity, unless it is against specific Jewish Americans or the “White community as a whole” ?
Oh look you Obama voters.
Look upon the HOPE and CHANGE that a thread about Obama brings out.
See the love and bipartisanship! Behold the cons and how eager they are to make nice.
J R sings….
Can you feel the love tonight?
Try looking in a mirror James.
Econ — You arent even reading what I am posting… why do I do this??? It isnt fair to play with unarmed children!!! In the words of our farmer friend, Jesus Wept!!
WHY must you keep twisting what I type here??
Do you have no shame???
Is it that important to you to be RIGHT on every issue posted??? Just like a couple of other posters here??
Please READ what I have said, and THINK about it… I know it might be hard… but give it a TRY… You might be surprised!!
I WORKED WITH JACKSON’S CAMPAIGN… I KNOW THE MAN… AND HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR MANY YEARS….
I DO NOT AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS AND DOES… AND I AM SURE HE DOESNT AGREE WITH ME ON ALL THINGS EITHER…
BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU HE IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING… You seem to be saying what you are saying out of ignorance, so I forgive you for your bad attitude…
Chas
Grow some balls and admit that some very racist people exist on the Left. Call them on it. Denounce them for it.
What you do is cowardice. You ignore it and you try to paper over it.
Go back to the beginning of this thread. First, you claim there is NO racism or anit-semitism in the Black Commnunity. Then — well even though you were proven wrong, you do not apologize.
You need to apologize for calling us racists, when we point out, factually, that Farakhan, Sharpton and Jackson ARE anti-Semites.
There is no way out of this corner you painted yourself into, Chas.
You are either a liberal boot-licker, unable to rebuke other liberals, or you are, yourself, an anti-Semite, or — you are a Coward.
Or — You are an idiot that does not understand what you have done, to yourself, on this thread.
P Herroni
Posted February 26, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
I’m sure Obamakhan will unite the black muslims and the white jews.
Yes Pat!
We can only ‘hope’ that the messianic mulatto can bring about that ‘change’ in the ‘future’!
BTW, who was it who said earlier that Michelle Obama has known people like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton all of her adult life??
I dont remember who said that… BUT…
IIRC Carter was elected in 1976…. Michelle Obama is how old??? Mid 40’s??? Give me a friggin break…
And as for Clinton, she was a fairly YOUNG adult when Clinton was elected in 1992!!
I guess some folks cant ADD anymore!!
Great new crowd of pals ya got here hank.
Look voters at who it is Obama asks us to “work with”.
No thanks.
Well Junior,
If you and your pals vote for ‘Mr. Green’ in November, me and my pals will kick you and your pals political butts!
I see that WSClark and JR managed to invoke my name, even though I haven’t been online for awhile. :)
Any butt kicking will be coming your way shorty.
Wow, this thread is going downhill fast. Seriously, all of you are sounding racist at this point. Cut it out. Hank, stop using the term Mulatto. Paul, you are asking Chas to admit that there are people on the left that are racist, but also you want him to specifically say that Jesse Jackson is racist. I’m sure he would admit that we have left “wingers” who are racist, but you are not going to get him to admit that someone he knows and admires and does not believe is racist, is racist. And Pee, I’m not even reading your posts because they are worthless.
This thread is about Obama’s patriotism or lack thereof due to not wearing a American Flag pin. Honestly I did not know it was a prerequisite to run for President, and maybe he didn’t either.
Chas
You have twisted YOURSELF into a pretzel, pal.
YOU said that anti-Semitism did not exist, in the Black community. YOU opened that door, not the conservatives on this Blog.
Therefore, Sharpton, and his hateful, anti Jewish words, help to prove you wrong.
Sharpton actually got a Jew killed, in New York, didnt he? I recall a traffic accident, where a Jewish person accidently ran over a Black child. Sharpton, on his bullhorn, then started riots and and got somebody killed, by an angry mob, afterwards.
Sorry if I got the details wrong. Somehow, a guy that lost a lawsuit, over the “Tawana Brawley” thing, and still refuses to pay damages, does not deserve much research before I post about him.
The pin, not the patriotism as a prerequisite.
“I recall a traffic accident, ”
Heh heh.
From THAT poster?
mrcontroversy
Posted February 26, 2008 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
Chas.
So, you worked with Jackson, too?
I was an organizer in his ‘88 campaign.
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I have known and worked with Jackson on and off since the late 70’s… Back in Operation Breadbasket days…
But, Mr. C. — Watch what you say… These Racist mongrels on this Blog with rip you a new one if you say too much about Jackson, or nearly any other Black!! Be very careful!!
I don;t give a didly damn about no freaking flag pin. My take on patriotism—–will the person that is being examined put the whole and the concept of the United States above all else.
Most politicians fail miserably.
Did you march with MLK jr. too Chas?
just wondering…
This is what Sharpton did, to cause riots and death in Crown Heights:
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200312030840.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_Riot
Econ — I just had a post go pooof!!
I SAID I HAVE NEVER MET ANY BLACKS WHO WERE ANTI-SEMITIC…
I dont KNOW Al Sharpton… or Farakan…
I DID NOT SAY there arent any Anti-Semitic Blacks…
NEVER MET ANY….
Arent Any….
Big difference Pal!!
So, do YOU come on here and call me a LIAR!!
YOU sir, are doing enough lying for all of your little friends…
MOST of what you say about Jackson is pure rubbish!! Just a lot race baiting!!
I dont KNOW Sharpton… why do you keep posting as if I said I did??? LIAR Paul!!
UNFAIR at the very least!! You wonder why the Left doesnt LIKE you??? This is it, right here, dude… YOU TWIST STUFF ALL AROUND THE WAY YOU WANT IT, AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, AND THEN YOU TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO DISAGREE WITH WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY SAID, SO YOU CAN CALL THEM LIARS!!
Well, buddy, that doesnt work on THIS old country preacher!! You better find a new scam… I know those old tricks… And they arent funny, or smart, or even half way intelligent… Just makes you look VERY stupid!!! Especially when you keep beating your dead horse!!
So, just knock off your SPIN, and try to TALK about something for a change!!
In December 1971, Jackson had a falling out with Ralph Abernathy, King’s successor as head of the national SCLC. Jackson and his allies broke off and formed the wholly independent Operation PUSH (People United to Save Humanity). The founding goals were similar to those of the Operation Breadbasket. Despite Jackson’s departure, Operation Breadbasket continued for a brief time under Robinson’s leadership. Wikipedia
I’m sure Chas meant to say he worked with Jackson in the early 70s as by the late 70s Jackson had left Operation Breadbasket. :D
I drafted the Emancipation document for Lincoln.
Econ sadly posts >>>>
“Sharpton actually got a Jew killed, in New York, didnt he? I recall a traffic accident, where a Jewish person accidently ran over a Black child. Sharpton, on his bullhorn, then started riots and and got somebody killed, by an angry mob, afterwards.”
That was an old episode of Law and Order Paul… You got the gist of the Episode… But it wasnt Sharpton… Just a TV show…
It might have been based on one or more actual events… I remember it well… The old Jewish guy hit the kid in the street in Harlem… He was “Scared” so he drove away!! Another guy, not even Jewish, and his wife drove through the neighborhood[after the old Jewish guy was cleared of wrong doing(maybe a mistake)] and a mob attacked…
Some local preacher man incited the crowd into a riot… Both the local preacher man, and the kid that killed the man, were found guilty… End of show/cut to commercial…
IT WAS A TV SHOW PAUL!!! AND A DAMNED GOOD ONE!!
P Herroni
Posted February 26, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink
I drafted the Emancipation document for Lincoln
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Liar! I was holding the pen! You just gave me the words!
I’ll take your 4:36 post as a YES Chas, to all of the questions regarding your mental status.
Regular… Ummmm… Operation BreadBasket was a Chicago Organization… NOT a SCLC organization… Operation PUSH was an extension of Breadbasket, which was later just dropped/merged in with PUSH… which was a much more broadly based plan than Breadbasket…
Sorry, dude, I was right… I know what I worked with… between 1974 – 1979… more between 1974 – 77… but still helped out from time to time after I left Illinois… and came back to the land of Oz…
It’s all about Chas.
He LOVES the attention.
Hank writes
Yes, I’ve heard of free speach [sic]! And I pretty much support all of the rights that the Constitution recognizes as coming from our Creator!
Really?
Here’s a searchable version of the US Constitution:
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt
It has no mention of “God,” “divine,” “creator,” “higher power,” or any other synonym you might try to find.
The Founders deliberately left out any mention of God in the Constitution because they didn’t want religious wack-os taking over the country, like the Puritans did just over a century before in England.
Oops . . . too late.
I also wrote the speech for JFK on going to the Moon before the decade is out.
Chas, your 4:50 post will look nice on your church bulletin board.
Yes, Econ — The “Tawana Brawley” thing was quite despicable… I think that was the first time I ever heard of Al Sharpton… quite a mess he made… poor kid Tawana… didnt know even half of what she got into!!
BTW, Regular–
You do know that Woody Guthrie was a self-avowed socialist, right?
“This Land Is Your Land” isn’t supposed to be metaphorical. Guthrie believed that this land really was our land, as opposed to Exxon’s and Halliburton’s.
Here’re a few lyrics they didn’t teach us in Elementary School.
As I was walkin’ – I saw a sign there
And that sign it said – “no tress passin’”
But on the other side …. it didn’t say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!
Chorus
In the squares of the city – In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office – I see my people
And some are grumblin’ and some are wonderin’
If this land’s still made for you and me.
I would hope it would HANK
Hey Chas-
The Law and Order episode was a ficitonalized account of the Crown Heights affair. And regardless of what contact you had with jesse Jackson, in my view he started out well, but now is nothing more than a race whore. Happens all the time. People doing good, then compromise on ethics, then are compromised. Politcs is a dirty game at best, and a whoremonger at the worst.
My parents lived in Chicago during those times Chas, perhaps their Kansas presence drove you out. :D
Wait, they lived in Oaklawn, a ‘burb of Chicago. :)
Yes CapnAmerica, I know who Woody Guthrie was.
I can still like his music without assigning a value to it though.
Music is music and I’m sure Mr. Guthrie didn’t ask what political flavor someone was when they sat down with a guitar to pick with him.
Damn, James, you’ve lived almost everywhere!!
Are we supposed to be impressed, or what??
I lived a bit further out than that…
Thought you lived in Wichita all your life, James?? Hmmmm….
Chas, you ever wonder why we often post at the same time?
L J – I suppose you COULD make that connection in the Law and Order episode… The producers of the show certainly didnt… They called it a Fictional Story… You know, with the disclaimer and all… So, IF you want to make them the same, I guess you do so at your own risk!! eh??
Nope Chas, the family moved away from Wichita when I was still a lad.
I’ve been everywhere!
It’s probably the reason I don’t know Wichita as well as my relatives who never moved from Wichita (says to self “ya think!”)
Chas-
I know it is not the end of all sources, but apparently Wiki Agrees with me
“Fictional portrayals in film and television
On the sketch show In Living Color the 1991 season 3 premier episode does a sketch called Crown Heights Story.
A 2004 television movie, Crown Heights, was made about the aftermath of the riot, starring Howie Mandel.
Two episodes of Law & Order, one during season two and another during season four, were based on the riots.
Anna Deveare Smith wrote a play called Fires in the Mirror, depicting 29 real interviews with real people involved in the controversy.
‘Brooklyn Babylon’, a feature film starring Tariq “Black Thought” Trotter and The Roots, presents a fictionalized version of Crown Heights neighborhood unrest in the 1990’s, set off by a car accident. ”
You actually are the one that made the link.
I was just pointing out that theincident was real.
Arlo Guthrie recorded City of New Orleans, but it was written by an excellent folk song writer – Steve Goodman – who died of Leukemia, I think. Goodman also wrote Down to Banana Republics which was made famous by Jimmy Buffet.
Steven D: Is that Steve Goodman any relation to the actor/singer John Goodman??
I thought John Prine wrote City of New Orleans?? Hmmm one learns something every day…
Actually, Woody Guthrie was a card carrying communist. He wrote articles for various NY City communist newspapers.
He served in the Merchent Marines during WW II. He hated the fascist Adolf Hitler – like many other communists did.
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm
Of course the Declaration of Independence is full of references to God and that our rights come from Him. It provides a window into the founding fathers’ attitudes and thinking. You should read it Capn.
Outlander, I would HOPE you understand that as nice as the Declaration of Indepence is, it is NOT the law of the Land… nor does it pretend to be…
Chas,
I am pretty sure, though not positive, the two Goodmans are unrelated.
One of my favorite Steve Goodman lines is…
“The first thing we learn is to hide our feelings” Can’t remember the song that comes from. Will have to look through my Vinyl collection
No Chas. But when some try to argue that God has no place in the public square, it is powerful evidence of the intent of the founding fathers.
Regular writes, after claiming that he knows about Woody Guthrie’s life that I’m sure Mr. Guthrie didn’t ask what political flavor someone was when they sat down with a guitar to pick with him.
Then you don’t know much about his life. He walked away from good paying radio jobs during the Depression when the advertisers complained about his leftist message. He routinely fought the thugs like YOU that came to bust up his unionizing.
And he pasted a cardboard sign to his guitar that read “This Machine KILLS Fascists.”
If he wasn’t safely dead and buried, you’d be treating him the same way that your CON buddies treated (fellow member of The Almanac Singers) Pete Seeger when he got an award from the NEA.
The Declaration came a number of years prior to the Constitutional Conventions… In those intervening years, there was a blood Revolutionary War… Against the Crown… the Crown that was a Theocratic State… More likely as not, regardless of what Jefferson wrote in the Declaration… Jefferson, the non-churchman… the deist… The Founders nonetheless decided there should be NO possibility of a Theocracy in these new United States… the more Perfect Union…
As CapN said, NO God, NO Bible, NO Messiah, NO Church except the 1st amendment reference to “freedom of religion”(and from religion) NO laws requiring church attendance; like the Pilgrim colonies… NO more Stocks for missing Sunday Preaching… NO more witch trials, based on the rantings of religiously paranoid children…
In the long run, thte Founders wanted NO vestiges of ANY kind of Theocratic State of ANY KIND!!
I would hate to think what might happen if too many people forget that, and try to make such scary changes…
Well done, Chas.
Of course, you’re right.
outlander claims that “the Declaration of Independence is full of references to God.”
Actually, it has exactly ONE reference to “Nature’s God” and ONE reference to “creator.”
outlander is exactly the kind of radical religionist the Founders were worried might seize power.
George WMD Bush was their worst nightmare–and ours too . . .
AMEN on GWB CapN
Actually Capn, You should read it. There are four. Go ahead. Read it. It won’t hurt you.
CapN…. Did you see this piece of work???
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/obama-patriotism-not-an-issue/#comment-302125
Where do you find the other two, Outlander??
Well if it had not been for the religion in government in the pre Revolution days?
I would never have been born.
My 10 times great grandfather Barnes’s first wife was persecuted as a witch and executed!
10x great grandad married again the same year.
Think he had the first wife offed? I guess I shouldn’t complain.
Here I am.
It was likely such experiences in Americas 150 year colonial period that convinced the founders that religion belonged in a declaration but NOT in the Constitution.
Yeah Chas I did it.
It’s called parody.
Deal with it.
There is a reference to “Supreme Judge of the World” and “Divine Providence.”
However, when it came time to set down the law of the land, not a single reference to God, despite Hank’s assertion to the contrary.
Well, here we go again… I ask outlander a question… And James appears to put forth a perfectly Stupid and ridiculous answer… Geez!!
Oh, and James, that qualifies as Troll Behavior as well!!
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Last paragraph Chas. “Supreme Judge of the world”. “Divine Providence”.
Incidentally, here is the operative paragraph that sticks in the craw of leftist whackos like CapnAmerica, who want to revise our country’s proud history.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Blow it out your ballast tanks Chas.
You’re the biggest troll on the blog, an authority on everything and never admit to your mistakes.
A colossal gas bag you are Chas.
Good God, Chas: do you claim to have worked with MLK too? And you went to the moon? Perhaps with J. Jackson? did Jim Jones go with you? Perhaps you were an original member of the Beatles? Next you’ll tell us you were the ghost-writer of “Stairway to Heaven . . . ”
OK, I’m being facitious, but this is getting ridiculous. Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton are what they are: Anti-Semite self-interested race baiters. What Jackson specializes mostly in is extortion, strong-arming concessions (to line his organization’s pocket – and his own) by threatening to “expose” some percieved aggregious wrong. Sharpton promotes himself. Period.
As an American, I’m proud of a nation that permits these, and those like them, to speak. But I cannot say that I’m proud of them and I will, as they do, say what I think and what I think history and events makes clear about them. I can’t, of course, speak to the black community’s position as to these three and others like them.
God only knows why you have your head buried so deeply in the sand. You’ve created this quandry and now you find no way out. Too bad, so sad, little sycomphant. What little credibility you had is slipping away . . .
As to KFG – I just can’t resist: “I do like her [McKinney], very much. I dont [sic] believe the official 9/11 or JFK or MLK accounts either.
Why am I not surprised. Tinfoil fits just right, don’t it?
“Divine Providence”=”fate”
When Chas says that he worked with civil rights organizations in Chicago, I believe him.
I’ve met him and it fits with his age, his interests and his actions–perfectly consistent.
Funny . . . the people casting aspersions are the people that none of us have ever met . . .
And listen to GMC rail on Chas. when he can’t bring himself to say anything about how wrong he was in defending the charges that Regular-Republican is the same person as the old JM.
Nice going, prosecutor.
Way to prove your incompetence.
Correction–that Regular-Republican ISN’T JM
No kiddin CapN
BTW, GMC, ONE MORE TIME…
I did not claim to know Farakan or Sharpton.. in fact, just the opposite… I KNOW Jesse Jackson, and what has been said about him on this thread today is 95% FALSE… He has his faults… which I ALSO mentioned… And I ALSO said I dont agree with Jackson on everything…
Now, it looks like all of you hate mongers have had your dinner, and are coming back to start your pack of lies all over again…
I am not going to do that anymore… already done that enough for one day…
If you want to know what I said, READ it upthread for yourself!!
Nite all for now!!
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