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Sorry, Somalia’s customs. You evil, hate filled lefty. And here, it seems that the right wing hate mongers are the one’s getting thread’s shut down.

Right on Rhonda! Goofy is exactly how he looks!

Thank heavens his ears are big enough to keep his ‘traditional tribal leaders’ turban from falling down and covering his eyes!

Now Hank’s doing hate speech, picking and choosing his “outrage” as well. Making fun of the way someone looks is kinda like making fun of the way someone dies?

Hate speech! LOL

Pleefer, you’re a nitwit and Obama has big ears!

Anyone that doesn’t think Obama looks goofy in his ‘Kunte Kinte’ Halloween costume doesn’t have a sense of humor!

While he does look a bit goofy he looks no more so than Bush did trying to dance in Liberia. In BOTH cases, however, I see it as simply an attempt to go with local customs and as being entirely appropruate. If moveon.com had posted pictures of Bush in Liberia it would be just as silly as Sludge doing so.

Here, I’ll lend you a hand.

If Obama wins the Presidency, I wonder how many times that photo will be released in the Muslim world captioned, “Barak Hussein Obama?” :)

When Obama wins the Presidency, I wonder how many times that photo will be released by the right-wing media captioned, “Barak HUSSEIN Obama?”

“rtl”

Senator Clinton says her campaign had nothing to do with the release of this photo.

I will take her at her word. Yours on the other hand means less than nothing to me.

And Hank’s remarks here have a whiff of racism about them.

Why don’t you just call him Toby?

“And Hank’s remarks here have a whiff of racism about them.”

Oh, brother. Some people wake up just to be offended by some slight, real or imagined.

Regular
Posted February 27, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink
You know, if you Leftist Libs and wannabe’s keep throwing the racist charge around, after a while, it has no meaning as people become desensitized to it.

Save the racism charges for real racists.

Yeah like you and the Price’s?

The cowardly hide behind the nic huh? rears its ugly head once again.

So many Leftist Lib trolls…

Where’s that sign-in Brownlee?

Do you need remedial computer training? :)

If you think that bothers me huh? – you haven’t been paying attention.

I’m still here aren’t I?

Much to your chagrin and I suppose entertainment.

– in your face huh? –

(chortles)

Lately Pfeefer, it has been more ugly.

Yes, indeed, it has been more ugly. And I am sick to my stomache over it too. Hitler was right in one thing, the bigger the lie, the easier it is to get people to believe it. Devils.

Check the by-line.

Rhonda Holman.

Hey, Rhonda, how the Bush-worshipping working out for you?

Did you get your tax-cut yet?

That’s right . . . you’re not rich. Thank God, Cheney saved a few hundred grand though . . . That motor yacht and private jet of his uses petrol.

Because Hillary will win at all costs. I still have bets out and I’m still confident that she is the chosen one. Regardless of what the People want.

Well, if the conspiracy theorists are right, which candidate has the magical connection to Yale, and the “Skull and Bones”??

“Senator Clinton says her campaign had nothing to do with the release of this photo.
I will take her at her word. Yours on the other hand means less than nothing to me.”
-J R

J R,
In case should think otherwise, I am NOT a Clinton insider. I have no more clue as to the source of the picture then the man on the moon. I am simply commenting on the implication given in the thread intro.

“Senator Clinton says her campaign had nothing to do with the release of this photo.”

And I should believe her, why, exactly? Who stands to immediately benefit from the not-so subtle intimation that Obama is a Muslim? (He is not, of course.)

Yes, I know that visitors routinely don local garb, as they should. And yes I know, given that, that such a photo should not be a basis of attack.

But we all know that is not why that photo was circulated, don’t we. And if not the Clinton camp (who has the most to gain) then who? Drudge says it was circulated by Clinton staffers. It would not be the first time the Clinton machine has sent its underlings out to do the dirty work while the candidate disavowed all knowledge; it’s a regular Clinton tactic. Is there any reason not to take Drudge at his word here?

Hank – I just realized that he looks about as goofy as I did trying to use chopsticks in a Japanese family’s home. Similar too in that as a guest I had to at least try. Fortunately they took pity on me and found a fork!

;)

Hey P-Mom!

The republicans ain’t campaigning against Obama, yet! This week is going to get nastier and nastier! And guess what? It’ll come from Hillary’s campaign!

We won’t have to make fun of his turban and ears, we can use the issues. Hillary can’t use issues against Obama because his are hers! Left and lefter trying to get the votes from dimb and dumber!

Not every man can look like Mel or Tom or every woman like whoever the latest hottie is.

Hank, it was good to read the rebuttal of your own statement. The first wasn’t racist, but it was juvenile. Much like “Her Thighness”. But we’ve come to expect that, and at least my eye rolling at the term is decreasing. Whatever floats your boat, I guess. ;)

I wish the crap that I put out here wasn’t true. But nothing is hidden if you take time to go and read it. But anyway, God (whomever and whatever it is) will be the decider on who is right. And know God is not on those devils’ who are the candidates given to us now side.

TDT, The Clinton’s = A good portion of The Dixie Mafia. Anything is to be expected from those folks. But We already know that huh? =]

Thanks RD,

But be careful, you’re daring to disagree with J R. Last thing we need is J R dumping on another of his friends!

I haven’t dumped on any of my friends there Hank.

“Anyone that doesn’t think Obama looks goofy in his ‘Kunte Kinte’ Halloween costume”

That sure sounds racist to me. Or at the least disrespectful of another culture.

I don’t think Senator Clinton had anything to do with this.

But either way? If this is a big deal? Obama has no business in the race. The Republicans that probably did this will have far worse to use against him.

Never mind, Hank. Post whatever you please, it’s the way free speech should be. And your posts will speak for themselves like each other posters do. I will go back to civilized posting away from here. In a place people can make a point without slamming or even mentioning another poster.

Now don’t you do that linda.

Don’t you let him or me? run you off.

You are one of the most reasoned and knowledged voices here with respect to progressive thinking.

I’d rather read your take on things than one of my broadsides anytime.

“But we all know that is not why that photo was circulated, don’t we. And if not the Clinton camp (who has the most to gain) then who? Drudge says it was circulated by Clinton staffers. It would not be the first time the Clinton machine has sent its underlings out to do the dirty work while the candidate disavowed all knowledge; it’s a regular Clinton tactic. Is there any reason not to take Drudge at his word here?”

Because he is Matt Drudge, irrational Clinton haters are a big part of his audience, and Drudge is a proven rumor monger.

This is just too easy, counselor.

“Yeah lindainks55,

“poor wittle innocent JR – who is actually one of the most warped minded, prying into private lives, threatening poster ever to disgrace this blog.

“Support him lindainks55, it shows your true colors – support a blog thug like JR.”

Re: Regular
DNFTT

Mr. ksagnostic, DNFTT ad nauseum poster,

If JR did a “bone dig” on you, revealed your sister’s address, email and private information on this blog and continued to threaten you with it, you would consider him a blog thug as well.

So he harasses other posters by exposing personal data online and threatening to attack business like ksgrm’s. Or perhaps threaten ECON101 with physical violence stating that if they ever met, he would make ECON101 spit teeth.

Watch ol’ JR there ksagnostic, he often makes veiled threats to post data from my sister, makes innuendos about where I live and of course my handicap status. Yeah, that JR is a real sweetheart.

Yeah, I’m correct, poor wittle JR, one of this blog’s thugs.

But of course, this is the only power JR possesses as he is a low life trailer trash that needs something to occupied his unemployed status.

Of course, the spineless Brownlee won’t kick him from the blog, even after JR has made his constant threats, repeatedly posted my private information and continues with his real life threats.

If you want to DNFTT someone, do it to JR.

Frankly, I don’t care if Hillary’s camp did run it.

It’s not an attack. The guy went to a foreign country, and he wore some traditional clothes that people wear there.

It’s like wearing beads during Mardi Gras or a lai in Hawaii.

It’s an absolute nothing.

“If JR did a “bone dig” on you, revealed your sister’s address, email and private information on this blog”

I did not even have internet access when that happened.

“So he harasses other posters by exposing personal data online”

Nope not me. I HAVE advised you that you are more well known than I and that your DIRECT threats to shoot me were made against someone with a clear advantage over you.

“attack business like ksgrm’s”

How does one “attack” a business? I said that if I knew what buisiness ksgrm had, I’d boycott it. That’s all.

“threaten ECON101 with physical violence stating that if they ever met, he would make ECON101 spit teeth.”

I have never called for a meeting of me and paulie. I DO think he and I ever meeting is a very bad idea. I didn’t like the lies he posted about me here. You on the other hand James have repeatedly thrown down the gauntlet to me and any number of posters.

“Watch ol’ JR there ksagnostic, he often makes veiled threats to post data from my sister,”

Nope and I haven’t seen anyone else do it either. I HAVE suggested that your sister might should seek you some help. I’ll say that again.

And I’ll leave it there.

Didnt Laura wear a headscarf while in the Mid-east?

Rev. Jim,

I made the mistake of posting my email on another Website which I referenced. CapnAmerica was the one who posted that email here.

After that, the Leftist Libs dug and dug, until they found out more and posted it here on the WE Blog.

Of which, the spineless Brownlee did nothing to these posters for posting my private information on this blog.

Actually
Obama belongs to the United Church of Christ.

Seperation of Church and State is a bogus issue, to me, most of the time.

However, Obama’s Church might have violated tax laws, when Obama spoke there:

http://cbs2.com/politics/barack.obama.irs.2.663525.html

Econ – I don’t think anything will come of it. If he’s just talking about religion and public life, and his campaign tables are outside of the church, isn’t that legal? Just talking in a church as a candidate is not illegal.

However, Liberals are often slow to admit that is legal, when Conservative candidates do the same thing!

Was the minister telling his flock to vote for Obama, implying God’s endorsement?

Was there any fund-raising taking place?

The rules are the rules, Paul, across-the-board, much as you’d like to pretend otherwise. Take your beef to the IRS.

Hank Price
Posted February 27, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink
Hey Ben,

When I look at the picture I’m reminded of a picture of Clinton on an aircraft carrier in ‘93, or ‘94. He was wearing a flight jacket they had given him. It had no patches on it. No insignia. Nothing.

Interesting — Clinton visited 4 times as many Navy ships as GWB — haven’t been able to find a pic yet of Clinton in a photo as you described — I looked — think you can find a link to one? It’s like people can say GWB did Cocaine, or gave head in college — but not much to prove it is one those a disgruntled employee reveals that … stories I guess my point is he may have been disliked but a presidential visit to a base or ship is a special occassion and protocol doesn’t change much — i.e. the story about the Marine guards not turning as Clinton left the helicopter is a myth — why you ask? Because they are Marines and to deviate from the arrival protocol would be to disobey a direct order — check out snopes

When GWB did his Mission Accomplished speech he was in a blue suit, he did wear a regular flight suit to land on the carrier and they gave him this to wear before he changed into his suit:

http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/commander_bunny_pants.jpg

OK Folks… Here ya go >>>>

http://www.ucc.org/news/obama-speech-in-2007-prompts-1.html

You can WATCH Obama’s speech on that web site… And you can read the TEXT of the speech as well… Justd follow the links… This IRS thing is pure BS… Totally uncalled for… as the article above says quite clearly…

lwdwn,

False accusations.

I still have the letter and my sister opened it because it was addressed to her. The police also have a copy. The zip code from which it was sent was not readable.

Republican, RepubliKhan, Kansas were all my nics as I used them on my Blog or my Typepad registered names, as well as the nic Regular.

You can see for yourself here:
http://republikan.typepad.com/republikansan/

If you want to tell everyone lwdwn, go ahead.

But do me a favor, use your usual nic to do it.

Otherwise, you’ll be just another Liberal Coward hiding behind their computer screen.

I could log in right now as Republican, it’s no big deal to me. So whatever you think you have, you don’t.

It’s just like some of the other Leftist Lib bloggers who accuse me of being other posters.

They think they actually know it all, when they actually know very little.

Classical Leftist Liberal attack, hidden and cowardly.

Paul – So we agree. I don’t know if your assertion that liberals would jump on this if it was a Republican is true, but probably so. I am a liberal, I wouldn’t jump on this. But I really do try to keep a level head and use logic and sanity in an argument.

“I beleive that Obama should not even be eligable to run for the presidential position, because of his lack of patriotism. Not only that he dont want to put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegance.”

False.

“This country has requirments for presidential candidates and the main one is to have a love for your country and be patriotic and i havnt seen any of that from obama what so ever. The main factor here is that most african americans in this country just see the color of his skin and say ‘oh the first black president!’ well he may be african american but he also has muslim beleifs, the last time i checked the muslims were the one trying to destroy this country and threatening to take over the white house, so i do not support the obama campaign AT ALL and i trust that american would be wise and do the same!”

Also false.

Of course, this is probably a hit and run troll, and it may be someone mocking some red neck conservative straw man.

Obama has NEVER been a Moslem… Just having Moslems in your family tree does not make you a Moslem… Econ, were you BORN a religion??

“Just having Moslems in your family tree does not make you a Moslem”

YOu should know, Chas; after yesterday, I’m sure you knew Mohammed personally too!!

What’s up with you Mr. Prosecutor?? You jealous or something??? Why do you find it so outrageous that somebody from KANSAS actually knows somebody like Jackson, or The Rev. Wright??

I think you need a chill pill or something…

Furthermore, I dont care WHAT denomination you are in, you dont have a candidate for public office speak in your pulpit, and allow them to promote their candidacy… According to the speech Obama gave at the UCC General Synod in Connecticut last June, he did not promote his candidacy… So, he was a UCC lay person, addressing the General Synod of his Church… All the IRS has to do is listen to the speech, OR, read the text…

Vaughn, it seems from this now infamous picture upthread, that those folks in Somalia welcomed him as an honored guest… not as an apostate of the faith…

I just now noticed a slight anomaly in this alleged picture of Obama… I say alleged, because if I remember correctly, dont most left handed folks wear their watch on their RIGHT wrist?? Obama is left handed, and yet the wrist watch in this photo is on the left wrist… Hmmmmm….

“Paul’s comments were not out of line on this one.”

Put another way, he was talking about other people’s hypothetical viewpoints, not his.

Again, from my perspective, this is less about the First Amendment and a whole lot more about tax exempt status, and the ability of the donors to the church to deduct the donations on Schedule A, Form 1040 (if they are able to avail themselves of itemized deductions in excess of the Standard Deduction). The applicable regs, etc., in this area sometimes appear to be more of a “form over substance” approach to the problem. As a generality, specific church endorsements of specifically identified candidates puts the exemption at risk; taking a position on an issue does not, so long as the position taken does not amount to an endorsement of a specific candidate or candidates.

The pastor, minister, rabbi, imam, et al, may personally, as an individual, support, promote, etc., any candidate s/he chooses, so long as it is a personal endorsement and in general is not delivered from “the pulpit” without endangering the tax exempt status of the church. So may any member or members, again, personally and not as an official statement of the church, synagogue, temple, etc. There are gray areas, IMO, such as allowing the supporters of a particular candidate or slate of candidates to hand out campaign literature in the church parking lot, e.g. This seems to not violate the various regulations, etc., so long as there is no indication of official “church” support of the same. To me, this is form over substance. Others will hold a different opinion, and obviously entitled thereto.

Given the presumption that appears in the law of taxation in general that if there is a question, the income/property/whatever is taxable and it is up to the taxpayer to demonstrate entitlement to a particular exemption, then adherence to the “rules” is essential for the exemption to apply. And yes, GMC, the complaints that arise are almost all about politics, not the principle.

KsAgn… Dont you find it intriguing that about the only people trying to make a link any way they can between Obama and Islam, are those on the right?? Trying to find ANYthing they can to arouse the FEAR of Moslems in the minds of “god-fearin” Amuricens???

If there was a conservative candidate, who actually left the Moslem faith, to join the Christian faith, and then ran for President, I might well vote for that person.

Therefore, in direct answer to your question: NO!

However, I am concerned that those who believe Obama will be an automatic peacemaker, with the Moslem world, might be overlooking something.

And, as a human being with a conscience and some human concern, I wonder if Obama has pondered this?

If he has, then, it is his call, if he wishes to take this risk.

We should not bow to terrorists.

I will vote against Obama for other reasons.

On the contrary, Chas – I know of no regular poster here (aside from the usual nuts – you know who you are) who have charged that Obama is a Muslim and should be opposed for same. Even those most on the right you revile the most (Econ, Regular) have not done so.

The Clinton campaign, however, while not saying so, wants to plant that implication by circulating this picture.

Clean up your own nest.

pain = paint

“Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ and says he has never been a Muslim, but false rumors about Islamic ties are circulating on the Internet.”

http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/322029.html

Paul, thanks for answering your question.

I sure wasn’t under any illusions that you would vote for any candidate.

As for your statement that you would be more likely to vote for a candidate that converted to Christianity from Islam, I appreciate your honesty. In my case, my vote would either be unaffected or, if anything, affected negatively.

And Chas., I am no Econ fan by any means, but you are arguing against a straw man creation here.

ALSO, in linking to the Eagle story, Obama was NOT in Somalia when he received the gift… Earlier somebody had said something about Somalia being a country that shot at our soldiers… (at a time when Somalia had no government, of course) But, Obama is in actuality, in Kenya, the homeland of his father.

I do believe we have some folks who are attempting to do some serious spinning on this entire story…

due to a threat
Darn, I even proof read that one!

Nice try on the slam, too… however, I have taught comparative religions courses at the collegitate level off and on for nearly 30 years!!

Shame on you gmc.

“The Clinton campaign, however, while not saying so, wants to plant that implication by circulating this picture.”

Hearsay. Introduced as fact but not supported by evidence.

Like KsAgnostic, I hope you do a better job in real life.

Democratic candidates routinely make the pilgrimage to black churches;

prove they do and prove what they do there is illegal — republicans would not remain silent either if a dem were at a church —–

Much better Econ.. Thank you!

I don’t care if he wears silk panties and smokes a hooka, as long as he does the job.

Will somebody please look at that picture, and the Wrist Watch on his LEFT wrist… And tell me if you see something wrong with that picture?? Also, how about the little tid bit that it was originally said to be from Somalia, but turns out it was in KENYA??

KsGrm, I agree on the turban

Tracy
I make no effort to hide who I am.
I only use this Nic so that nasty trolls can not hurt my business, and my reputation, by falsely posting trash over my real name.

It is purely defensive.

Hey Tracy, spiff looking Blog!

Always knew you had style with smarts. Good format and distribution on the page!

Chas., just check Obama’s web site; he wears his watch on his left arm. At least in the pictures on his site.

I’m typing on my pa’s computer right now, so I’m having a bit of trouble navigating. It’s set up for a quadraplegic so the fonts are huge and stuff runs off the page.

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Tracy
Posted February 27, 2008 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

I’m typing on my pa’s computer right now, so I’m having a bit of trouble navigating. It’s set up for a quadraplegic so the fonts are huge and stuff runs off the page.
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You’re a good man and son Tracy. Thanks for making the world a better place.

I guess he is not a “whole lot of left handed people”.

Obaoa = Obama

John H. Thomas
General Minister and President
United Church of Christ
700 Prospect Ave.
Cleveland, OH 44115
216-736-2101 (phone)
216-736-2103 (fax)

From: “Thistlethwaite, Susan”
To: “Clark, Donald C.”
Subject: Washington Post piece
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:03:21 -0500

IRS Investigates Church for Letting Obama Speak
The Internal Revenue Service has notified the United Church of Christ that the IRS has opened an investigation into Senator Barack Obama’s address at the UCC’s 2007 General Synod. The IRS is accusing the UCC of engaging in “political activities.”
I believe the “political activities” are on the other foot. The UCC General Synod was in June of 2007, celebrating that denomination’s 50th Anniversary. It is only now, fully nine months later, when Senator Obama has become the front-runner in the race for President, that this investigation is launched. Further, the IRS did not contact the UCC or communicate with them while coming to this decision.
I was present when Senator Obama gave this speech at General Synod (along with 10,000 of my closest church friends and neighbors). There were no campaign buttons, signs, electioneering or other such politically related activities. Indeed, the UCC leadership took care to instruct the assembled about the fact that this was a faith event and we were welcoming a member of our church to talk to us about his personal faith in the public square.
It was an extraordinary speech. Pundits and competing candidates have criticized Senator Obama for being more about words than deeds. This is, of course, just political noise, but it is true that some words are more effective than others. This speech was an insightful, even luminous glimpse into the fundamental human dilemma of the search for meaning and purpose in life.
We may have to go back to Lincoln to find such a weaving of transcendent themes of meaning and purpose in the search for how we want to live as Americans. What is truly innovative in this speech by Obama and what makes it such an incredible model for how we engage the public square with our faith without violating the separation of church and state, is that he never collapses his faith in Jesus Christ into a narrow path to salvation; instead, he reaches out from the power of his faith in God to the universal human striving for meaning in a world where poverty and injustice threaten to drive us down and out into despair and nothingness. People want “a narrative arc to their lives” Obama said.
The narrative structure of the speech was to take the audience with him as he went from his conversion to a personal faith in Jesus Christ to the broad theme of meaning and purpose in human life.
He started talking about his work as a community organizer and his work with older church folk who confronted him about being more an observer of faith, than a believer. He decided he’d better find a community of faith.
So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called “The Audacity of Hope.” And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn’t fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn’t magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn’t suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.
If anyone could think that’s engaging in “political activities” than I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.
Obama went on to say what I think is the truly innovative part of how he relates his faith to public service, not only in his own life, but also in the larger American journey.
But my journey is part of a larger journey – one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.
The temptation to empire is the temptation to persecute freedom, especially religious freedom, rather than respect and honor it. It is now another UCC church, the national United Church of Christ, that is standing up for individual freedom, especially the right to religious expression free of government persecution.
Read the full text of the speech and all the relevant documents by going on the UCC website at http://www.ucc.org and judge for yourself.
The “narrative arc” of this speech tracks the “narrative arc” of how we as Americans respect our Constitution and also passionately engage in public service as a higher calling.
There is true irony in the IRS investigating the UCC for the presentation of a speech that may go down in history as one of the most profound articulations of how we as Americans live into transcendent meaning and purpose through our free, democratic institutions. Truly that is ironic. And sad.

Hey Chas,

Here is what the UCC stands for today:

http://www.ucc.org/assets/pdfs/1991-RESOLUTION-ON-AFFIRMING-GAY-LESBIAN-BISEXUAL-PERSONS-AND-THEIR-MINISTRIES.pdf

The founding fathers would turn in their graves if they knew this.