With another impressive sweep of states in the Potomac primary — Virginia, Maryland, and D.C. — Barack Obama now has surpassed Hillary Clinton in popular votes and elected delegates, as well as in the total delegate count. And by sweeping the GOP primaries, John McCain has all but locked up the Republican nomination.
In their victory speeches Tuesday night, Obama and McCain previewed some general election themes they might use against each other. Obama told a crowd that, “Sen. McCain said the other day that we might be mired for a hundred years in Iraq, which is reason enough to not give him four years in the White House.†He also referred to “Bush-McCain†Republicans and ideas, tying McCain to the unpopular president.
McCain took sharp aim at Obama’s “hope†message. “To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude,†he said. “I do not seek the presidency on the presumption that I am blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save my country in its hour of need. I seek the presidency with the humility of a man who cannot forget that my country saved me.â€
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“McCain took sharp aim at Obama’s “hope” message. “To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude,” he said. “I do not seek the presidency on the presumption that I am blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save my country in its hour of need.”
See?
Now Democrats who haven’t fallen under Obama’s spell are making this same point. And McCain is ready and chomping at the bit to exploit Obama’s substance free sunshine.
To be fair, Hillary hasn’t answered the tough questions either. She is ever the politician and either answers a different question or provides enough fluff that you just want her to shut up.
This quality is not Hillary’s alone. McLame is by far an offender as well. Did you see the debate where the candidates got to ask a question of another candidate? Ron Paul asked McLame an economic question. Instant deer in the headlights. The drivel that McLame spewed amounted to dried turds.
In the last debate, both McLame and Romney nit picked about whom said what when. Never once touched on any kind of policy.
It seems the closer the election gets, the less you learn about the candidate’s positions.
On 60 Minutes Obama noted that the details are posted on his web site and that he had been advised not to bore people to death in his speeches.
Sol…isn’t that the essence of being a politician? To not be specific enough to be nailed down or risk offending people, while at the same time, trying to say something that gets a sound bite.
It is an art, and not one that is easily mastered nor is it particular to one party.
Taz,
I agree, but there WAS that one guy who wasn’t affraid…..
This should be called the we-brain blog!
While I freely admit that if there had never been a Rush Limbaugh, mrcontroversy would be an unemployed telemarketer, I still hate to quote him, but: “See? I told you so.”
““Sen. McCain said the other day that we might be mired for a hundred years in Iraq,…”
That is not what he said. At least Obama has learned something from his Lib buddies.
This is what he said.
Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)
Make it a hundred.
Q: Is that … (cut off)
McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …
Q: [tries to say something]
McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.
Yeah, the Second World War last from December 1941 until August 1945…………….
We have already been in combat in Iraq longer than that.
In South Korea, Japan and Germany, we have not been in a combat environment since the end of those wars – although technically, the war in Korea has never ended.
The point is, it has been five years of COMBAT in Iraq with no end in sight.
And to say we are going to be in Iraq for a hundred years?
Who’s going to pay for it and how?
That’s right – the Chinese are going to pay for it with money we borrow from them.
My bad.
In WW II the democrats didn’t want us to lose.
Fleetwood, what was the al Qaeda presence or influence in Iraq PRIOR to the war of choice?
Think back – March 2003 – what did al Qaeda have to do with Iraq?
Eh?
It is an art, and not one that is easily mastered nor is it particular to one party.
Yes, Taz, it’s called ‘talking in circles but never hitting the bull’s eye’. The clear sign of a politician, no matter their politics.
Sol,
I agree with you on Hillary’s ability to talk and talk and not get to the answer. As Taz said, it’s the way they are.
Live in the now, ws. You people were all in agreement with GW back in the day.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
“Live in the now, ws. You people were all in agreement with GW back in the day.”
Nope. I actively protested the War before it even began. Obama spoke out against the War before it began.
But what Bush has do is CREATE an al Qaeda presence in Iraq where there was none before.
Bush has created MORE terrorists than we have killed or captured.
Nice job, George, you could have at least used some KY before you screwed the country.
Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)
Make it a hundred.
Q: Is that … (cut off)
McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …
Q: [tries to say something]
McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.
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Wow Fleettwood. You mean that the Democrats are shamelessly taking cuts out of the middle of John McCain’s sentences and using them out of context? Dishonest? Of course. Surprising? Not at all. Pathetic.
Thanks for the heads up.
Who’s gonna pay for it, Outlander?
If the ARI and the Baghdad governments honest partners over there I doubt that there would be huge opposition to a continued US presence. However, even after all these years the several hundred thousand man ARI cannot seem to handle a handful of dead-enders in their last throes.
And what ever happened to “weeks, maybe months, definitely not years” to get this done?
We can’t “AFFORD” to expand SCHIP at a cost of $7 billion per year – a program that would benefit AMERICAN children – but we CAN afford to stay in Iraq for 100 years at a cost of what?
$50 billion per year?
$100 billion per year?
So far, it has cost us OVER $200 billion per year.
We can’t provide health care for our children but we CAN afford to stay in Iraq for 100 years?
Christ, what is wrong with THIS picture?
Not really fleettwood. In 1998 Clinton said we would PREVENT Saddam from getting WMDs. We succeeded in that. We also succeeded in getting the inspectors back in. The inspectors reported that he didn’t have them. Bush and Powell said he did. The inspectors were telling the truth. Bush and Powell were not.
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008 HUCKABEE FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012
History always repeats itself. The country is ready for major poltical reforms just like when Jimmy Carter, an inexperienced underqualfied president, was elected in 1976 and Ron Reagan, a controversial conservative, was elected the following election.
I expect the national media to turn against McCain as soon as Obama wins the nomination. It will be ironic because McCain became the media’s darling by sponsoring campaign finance reform which resulted in limiting free speech and concentrating even more powering with the fascist, corporate media that stands for nothing other than trying to be king makers.
Bill McKean kiakahahaha@yahoo.com
No Bill.
Geez I’ve been waiting to run into one of THESE nuts.
Bill? Carter was a great President in a difficult day. If his approach toward energy conservation and alternative energies had been vigorously pursued, we would not be in the fix we are now.
But Bill is one of these kooks I hear calling talk radio. They are convinced that kharma or God or some other such force is gonna align because of a “bad” Democrat President and then Ronald Reagan will rise from the grave or a sword will rise in the Washington monument reflection pool to be drawn by Reagan’s successor.
Your party is going into the political wilderness Bill. And it will probably be for the rest of MY life let alone yours.
Ben
Posted February 13, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink
On 60 Minutes Obama noted that the details are posted on his web site and that he had been advised not to bore people to death in his speeches.
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That’s a good idea, especially if you have no idea what details someone else wrote and put on your own web site.
Don’t expect Obama to know any details. He has nuthin but fluff in his head.
Yeah, Jimmy Carter was a GREAT President!
By what measure?
Inflation? 13%
Unemployment? 10%
Mortgage Interest Rates 18%
Largest percentage increase in oil prices in a 4 year period.
A failed policy in the mid-east that resulted in a fanatical regime in Iran.
50 Americans held hostage for 444 days in Iran.
A failed rescue mission leaving Americans to die in the sand of Iran without accomplishing their mission.
No progress made in confronting Communist aggression. JC cancelled the B1 bomber program, that Reagan later revised.
4 years of deficit spending.
Social Security and Medicare tax increases that did NOT solve the long-term problem.
Frightened by a wild swimming bunny rabbit! (Why was Ted Kennedy not there to save him?)
Great President!
I said Jimmy Carter was a great President for his day there “Max”.
MOST of what you post has more to do with trends and conditions Carter had nothing to do with at all. He just happened to be the poor slob in office at the time.
Weigh that against what bush was given and then re given on Sept 11 2001 (a completely free hand) and let’s measure the two.
Or not, since this is not a Carter thread.
My point was that it is not “bad” Democrat Presidents that create “good” Republican Presidents.
Actually, there hasn’t BEEN a good Republican President since Theodore Roosevelt. With the possible exception of Eisenhower. And I’m sure you and your sort would have called him a peacenik socialist.
Right JR, so all of Bush’s problems were caused by the previous administration too. That be Clinton.
Don’t expect Obama to know any details. He has nuthin but fluff in his head.
Right, Max.
Harvard Law only lets in the idiots. And Harvard Law Review Editor, you have to be especially stupid.
Bush’s dad and grandfather went to Yale, so of course he got in.
Obama’s dad was Kenyan, left the family when he was two, and the Obamas’ had no pull whatsoever.
George Bush was born on home plate and people like you think he hit a home-run.
What a maroon . . .
Capn, didn’t your favorite POTUS GW go to Harvard?
Yup.
Max – in 7 years I haven’t seen a whole lot come out of your boy’s head – except a stupid elective war and ‘beliefs’ that it will lead to Jeffersonian democracy throughout the middle east.
And Ben, GW was a graduate from the same college Obama went to!
“4 years of deficit spending.”
And we had twelve years of deficit spending under Reagan/Bush I and seven years and counting under Bush II.
And Obama went to Harvard – Bush’s daddy bought him into Yale.
They are two different schools, you know, Max, two different states also.
The Rank and Foul Republicans in congress are falling in line behind their man McCain.
GW:
He received a bachelor’s degree in history from Yale University in 1968, and then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975.
Just like his position in the TANG, George’s daddy bought him an MBA – just like he bought him his grades at Yale and just like his Daddy’s business associates bought him out of all his forked up business deals.
If George was George W Smith, he would be sweeping floors at a business in Houston on the night shift.
*****
Max
Posted February 13, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink
GW:
He received a bachelor’s degree in history from Yale University in 1968, and then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975.
*****
Maxism,
Please report back to the class when you have read this book. Thanks, your adoring supporters (all two of us)…
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Bush-George-leads-America/dp/0670032735
As Hank would say…
Nitwit
It’s interesting that the media now make the assumption that Hillary Clinton is out of it. This is simply the 37th iteration of the storyline of this season. Candidate does well, it’s all over. Whoops, another candidate does well, now it’s all over the other way. Whoops, a third candidate does well. Whoops the first candidate does well again.. McCain’s obituary, and Obama’s, were written dozens of times by the same smart pundits over the last few months, so take Hillary’s with a grain of salt. Yes Obama has done very well recently in states where he would be expected to do very well, but the keys will be Ohio and Texas, and, if those are not decided decisively, the states that follow. It’s really still an even race.
“”"On 60 Minutes Obama noted that the details are posted on his web site and that he had been advised not to bore people to death in his speeches”"”
I agree with that. Speechs are for general goals and not specific policy matters. That is why we have the web. Nobody comes to a speech to hear something like “we are going to have universal healthcare for every American and hear is how it will work…..”
Like Yogi Bear said- “it ain’t over till its over” and it is a little early for us (Obama supporters) to break out the party stuff. We still have several big states to go including Wisconsin, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio. We still have lots and lots of work left to do to win. And remember that the Clinton machine is very potent. Don’t get lax or smug and keep up your monthly donations until we win it all in November!
Also remember now that the Republicans have pretty much settled on McCain, they are now free to take Democratic ballots in Texas and make all kind of mischief in the Democratic primary. I don’t know who they would vote for though. I think they dislike Hillary more than Obama though.
JR posts: “Now Democrats who haven’t fallen under Obama’s spell are making this same point. And McCain is ready and chomping at the bit to exploit Obama’s substance free sunshine.”
Holy Cow JR, I know I am opening myself up to your typical caustic attacks but truth is truth and that’s certainly one of the most observant things I’ve seen written on these blogs, and by YOU. GOOD JOB!
Now here’s one you can really attack me for posting;
In election 2008, don’t forget Angry White Man
Gary Hubbell
February 9, 2008
“There is a great amount of interest in this year’s presidential elections, as everybody seems to recognize that our next president has to be a lot better than George Bush. The Democrats are riding high with two groundbreaking candidates — a woman and an African-American — while the conservative Republicans are in a quandary about their party’s nod to a quasi-liberal maverick, John McCain.
Each candidate is carefully pandering to a smorgasbord of special-interest groups, ranging from gay, lesbian and transgender people to children of illegal immigrants to working mothers to evangelical Christians.
There is one group no one has recognized, and it is the group that will decide the election: the Angry White Man. The Angry White Man comes from all economic backgrounds, from dirt-poor to filthy rich. He represents all geographic areas in America , from urban sophisticate to rural redneck, deep South to mountain West, left Coast to Eastern Seaboard.
His common traits are that he isn’t looking for anything from anyone — just the promise to be able to make his own way on a level playing field. In many cases, he is an independent businessman and employs several people. He pays more than his share of taxes and works hard.
The victimhood syndrome buzzwords — “disenfranchised,” “marginalized” and “voiceless” — don’t resonate with him. “Press ‘one’ for English” is a curse-word to him. He’s used to picking up the tab, whether it’s the company Christmas party, three sets of braces, three college educations or a beautiful wedding.
He believes the Constitution is to be interpreted literally, not as a “living document” open to the whims and vagaries of a panel of judges who have never worked an honest day in their lives.
The Angry White Man owns firearms, and he’s willing to pick up a gun to defend his home and his country. He is willing to lay down his life to defend the freedom and safety of others, and the thought of killing someone who needs killing really doesn’t bother him.
The Angry White Man is not a metrosexual, a homosexual or a victim. Nobody like him drowned in Hurricane Katrina — he got his people together and got the hell out, then went back in to rescue those too helpless and stupid to help themselves, often as a police officer, a National Guard soldier or a volunteer firefighter.
His last name and religion don’t matter. His background might be Italian, English, Polish, German, Slavic, Irish, or Russian, and he might have Cherokee, Mexican, or Puerto Rican mixed in, but he considers himself a white American.
He’s a man’s man, the kind of guy who likes to play poker, watch football, hunt white-tailed deer, call turkeys, play golf, change his own oil and build things. He coaches baseball, soccer and football teams and doesn’t ask for a penny. He’s the kind of guy who can put an addition on his house with a couple of friends, drill an oil well, weld a new bumper for his truck, design a factory and publish books. He can fill a train with 100,000 tons of coal and get it to the power plant on time so that you keep the lights on and never know what it took to flip that light switch.
Women either love him or hate him, but they know he’s a man, not a dishrag. If they’re looking for someone to walk all over, they’ve got the wrong guy. He stands up straight, opens doors for women and says “Yes, sir” and “No, ma’am.”
He might be a Republican and he might be a Democrat; he might be a Libertarian or a Green. He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner.
He’s not a racist, but he is annoyed and disappointed when people of certain backgrounds exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their race. He’s willing to give everybody a fair chance if they work hard, play by the rules and learn English.
Most important, the Angry White Man is pissed off. When his job site becomes flooded with illegal workers who don’t pay taxes and his wages drop like a stone, he gets righteously angry. When his job gets shipped overseas, and he has to speak to some incomprehensible idiot in India for tech support, he simmers. When Al Sharpton comes on TV, leading some rally for reparations for slavery or some such nonsense, he bites his tongue and he remembers. When a child gets charged with carrying a concealed weapon for mistakenly bringing a penknife to school, he takes note of who the local idiots are in education and law enforcement.
He also votes, and the Angry White Man loathes Hillary Clinton. Her voice reminds him of a shovel scraping a rock. He recoils at the mere sight of her on television. Her very image disgusts him, and he cannot fathom why anyone would want her as their leader. It’s not that she is a woman. It’s that she is who she is. It’s the liberal victim groups she panders to, the “poor me” attitude that she represents, her inability to give a straight answer to an honest question, his tax dollars that she wants to give to people who refuse to do anything for themselves.
There are many millions of Angry White Men. Four million Angry White Men are members of the National Rifle Association, and all of them will vote against Hillary Clinton, just as the great majority of them voted for George Bush.
He hopes that she will be the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, and he will make sure that she gets beaten like a drum.”
I hope people wake up to the fact that Obama, while a great teleprompter reader with a pleasing personality is not Presidential material. He is far to inexperienced and uneducated on world matters. He will not make a respected Commander in Chief. He is campaigning on substance-less change, as you said “sunshine” and that alone.
(hands Boxlock a towel to dry off after that perspiring speech) :D
Regular, I know it was too long….but since I was quoting someone else I felt it not appropriate to just cut and paste what I wanted and thought important. Hope you didn’t get a headache from eye strain reading the whole thing.
Take care,
“He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner.”
Boxlock–
Is that supposed to be sarcastic as in “that’s what the Angry White Man thinks because he’s a f***ing idiot” or does that represent what you think too.
Because I didn’t think it was possible to be that sexist in the year 2008 . . .
Boxlock writes that the Angry White Man resents “his tax dollars [going] to people who refuse to do anything for themselves.”
Damn right!
I’m mad about that too.
For instance, Dick Cheney. That somovabitz made 36 million bucks just for opening doors to big go’vt contracts for Halliburton.
Talk about taxpayer welfare for people who don’t deserve it!
Trouble is, there’re tens of thousands more just like him . . . fat cats getting fatter on the money of the working class.
Applause!
Boxlock on Angry White Man post!
Yeah well.
I’m a white man. I’m DAMNED pissed off.
But that is just about the end of where I fit into that little spiel.
What your little bit of lifted doggerel describes was given an entire book of exploration.
STUPID White Men.
I bet da Dems are wishing they had the 366 delegates from Michigan and Florida about now. :D
Regular, the Fat Lady doesn’t sing until March 5th.
Great post BoxLock.
Problem is there are three liberal candidates, on King James Constitutionalist without a chance, and one man who can identify – and intended to correct the above complaints – with the angry white man and has no chance.
So what do we do? Hold our noses and vote for the least liberal of the three with a chance and pray they don’t destroy the country over the next four years?
The revolution will live on after March. The revolution will live on after the convention. The revolution will last beyond the election.
The revolution is rolling. This wasn’t the year it becomes enacted, but this is the year that started the fires burning. The fires will cleanse the nation of hand outs, of nanny babysitters, of illegal immigrants and illegal wars. We will once again abide by the constitution as it was written.
Viva la revolution!!!
Obama’s efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.
The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten’s of billions.
Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.
http://www.associatedcontent.c…..ong…
Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.
Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.
Two years ago, Iraq’s Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company – Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin “Tony” Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.
Obama should be vetted and disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges — Obama needs to disclose why he is a Muslim and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to shove an introduction to this fake rip-off Obama and invite the thief pipsqueke to meet the Waukesheake Police Department.
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