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And why would I think that MCCain is just a strawman to put in Clinton? The lemmings will follow.

Well when they lose, they can blame not having a Consevative enough of a choice!

The Clinton dual against the evil corporations, top wage earners and appeasers. We will take from you, and increase taxes for expanded social programs. I hope the demos all lose. Go Mitt

see, the neocons will never get it. The American people have chosen NON neocon x 3. With McCain, Hillary and Obama, the 3 front runners.

We really need to push for a Clinton/Obama ticket. After last night’s debate, I’m far more hopeful for that. Hillary truly shined last night and showed why she should be president.

There will be a restore to sanity in the White House. IF McCain does pull out a miracle and wins, I’ll hope that he’ll go back to being more workable and moderate than his rhetoric has shown- his straight talk express lost it’s wheels. I’ve never disliked McCain till recently.

Romney is right about the Clintons’.

Why would America want to put Bill Clinton back in the White House with nothing to do . . . except hit on the interns?

Let’s pass the torch to a new generation and hope they don’t f*** it up like the Bush and Clinton dynasties have done.

Captain, I never thought you were the kumbaya type. Why now? Why do you want to play footsie with the republicans at THIS moment? Is it worth it to let the republicans run roughshod over us for another eight years just to satisfy your Clinton hate?

How’s that “inspiration” thingy working here with the cons on the blog? Why dont you try it for a couple of weeks and SEE how well it works? THEN judge if Obama’s rodney king schtick will work.

You need to read Ruth’s column today…

She can control Bill? Like she controlled his chasing interns in the Oval Office?

In all my taking of issue with obama, I have NEVER mentioned his race.

And you?

KFG: You are such a hater and such a liar. How dare you accuse me of that!! Honestly, how do you live with yourself?

Obama has a chance to be the first black president. It is brought up all the time. That doesn’t matter to me, one way or another.

But you who don’t dare mention a person’s race, are nearly as big a problem as someone who would call Obama that awful name that you seem to like to keep posting.

Honesty is the only way to deal with the race issue. Not walking on pins and needles scared to say anything for fear some hypocrit like you might pretend to be offended, on behalf of the candidate they despise.

Agreed MH – people like Hagel etc might make good allies. Unfortunately we have not see even 20% in the Senate – at least not yet.

Outlander, you are posting the hateful poems, one of which said “coon”. It wasnt posted under your name, and I asked you this morning if you posted the hate poem. You answered yes, did you not? And then other poems about the white house not being white appeared under your name.

Perhaps you should read what you post?

And monkey hawk, I’m sorry, you keep pretending to answer my questions, but you dont. HOW is this attraction thingy gonna work? Yes, I know many rank and file republic moderates have switched parties IN KANSAS.

I have yet to see any such thing in Congress. The republics there stick together like glue. And I dont see the RNC changing it’s strong arm tactics with the “moderate” pelosi and reid, do you?

I am NOT ignoring what will happen with a dem in the white house. I think the dems may hold the majoirities in both the house and the senate this year, but I doubt they will be veto proof majoirities. Too many incumbents, too many solidly republic districts, etc.

SO… again, how will this “inspiration” and “attraction” thing work? WTF is obama going to offer them that will “attract them”? Even the moderates in congress. You really think Jerry Moran is gonna follow Obama? Dream on dude, dream on.

Again, you are big on inspirational words, low on explanations of what and how.

And another thing… you STILL have not answered my question if it would be ok for Obama to invite the KKK to headline one of his events and preach at the end? WOuld it be ok for Edwards to invite the skinheads to headline an even in Skokie and preach their hate for thirty minutes at the end?

Would those things be just a matter of “flavor” as you put it?

And btw, I do not think invoking “can we get along here” is racist. YOU are the one putting the racist label on it, not me. It is essentially what your candidate is saying, and offering NO concrete ways he is going to do it? I think you are smarting under the truth about your candidate and your not being able, or not being willing, to directly answer my two qustions.

But dance on brother.

And btw Monkey Hawk, I’m not “itching for a fight” with the republicans in congress. I AM ITCHING for a progressive agenda to be SUCCESSFUL in congress.

And when the republics in congress DONT go along with obama’s kumbaya strategy? WTF is he gonna do?

Beg harder? Like sebelius, say “please” a few more times?

I think Clinton can extend a hand of friendship to them and I would not object one bit. Really. But if that gesture doesnt work?

I want a president who will push a progressive agenda with a stick if need be. I want a battlehardened leader who knows how to deal with the republics in a firm and forceful manner.

I do NOT want another democratic leader who promises appeasement.

I’m all for trying the play nice approach. I just think we have LOTS of evidence, even with majorities in both houses, that it doesnt work.

And when it doesnt work, (again)?

WTF is obama gonna do?

Get moveon or DU to help him? Heheheheh. I think we’ve seen how well that works.

Dream on monkey. While you pursue those dreams, please ANSWER my questions and stop dancing around the truth. Obama needs more experience, and he needs to get his nose banged up a little before he is ready to deal with the republics.

OH, and btw, it seems like the attack politics and division politics worked well enough for obama in South Carolina. I guess we can expect more of the same pitting one democratic constituency against another in the general election?

Dont tempt us to stay home…

So… Outlander…

Are you being trolled? Because you DAMN SURE posted this:

“So as we watch the oh eight race
Who will end up in that place
If the White House’s not so white
Clintons go back home to fight.”

This was your reply.

outlander
Posted February 1, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
“So outlander, were you the hateful poet yesterday too? You know, the one who called Obama a coon?”- ksfrmgrrl

That is such a hateful speak
To accuse me of it is quite weak
You’ve hated him for quite a while
Posting that was more your style.

To answer with another smart ass poem. I took that as an admission. I see now, after the fact, that others are posting smart ass poems, including you, that also contain race baiting.

If you didnt post “the coon” one, then I’m sorry.

Do you want to call out the person who did?

And I’m still not impressed with you posting this:

“If the White House’s not so white
Clintons go back home to fight.”

Exactly WHICH one of us is the racist liar here? Are you proud of that post?

Are you all getting your poems from the same place? You must be proud to be in such good company…

So outie, you didnt post this at 6:09pm yesterday?

“Clintons still play the same tune
saying how could you possibly vote for that coon

Nothing positive to offer about either one
no reasons to vote for anyone”

If not, I’ll expect you to be calling out the “person” who did. You sure have been following suit though… with the “white house not so white” poem.

“With that in mind, the practical political question is for Democrats to nominate a candidate who has coat tails.”

Please post an example of obama’s “coattails”. He hasnt run enough times to HAVE a track record of “coattails”. You are assuming facts not backed up by evidence.

And your answer to my KKK question? Is to change the subject and say YOU support gay rights.

Answer the freakin’ question. Would it be OK and no big deal like inviting the openly homophobic mccloset?

AND PLEASE, post some evidence of where moderate republicans, at the NATIONAL LEVEL have switched parties or votes to join obama.

Nice try at shifting the burden of proof. I said they didnt, and even the most novice debater knows you cant prove a negative. It is up to you to prove they have or will.

But hey, we are amused at your antics, and we do encourage you to try again.

…and I see in your zeal to paint ME as a racist, you convieniently jumped over this question as well:

So… what is in the obama “platform” that will attract moderates to cross over and vote for him? And.. I might add, cross over and vote for him with MCCAIN, the ultimate moderate, as their nominee?

And… having the KKK on the dais would NOT be a deciding factor for you either? Get it dude, having a homophobe HEADLINE and event and PREACH at an event is not exactly “having him on the dais” now is it?

And.. it IS a deciding issue for me. HARDLY “inspirational” or “attractive” to someone who is really committed to equal justice for ALL.

So outie, you didnt post this at 6:09pm yesterday?

“Clintons still play the same tune
saying how could you possibly vote for that coon

Nothing positive to offer about either one
no reasons to vote for anyone”

If not, I’ll expect you to be calling out the “person” who did. You sure have been following suit though… with the “white house not so white” poem.

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I wonder why someone would keep posting that vile trash, unless they were proud of it? Are you the one who wrote it KFG? After all, you despise Obama. Is that an unfair assumption?

And please feel free to repost my actual poem/song. You know, the one complimentary of Obama and about the “white house being not so white”.

While I know it is so early that polls don’t matter, it is interesting to note the results of the latest Fox News Poll as reported on http://www.realclearpolitics.com which show in a hypothetical head to head, Sen. McCain preferred over Sen. Clinton, and Sen. Obama preferred over Sen. McCain (I hasten to add a 1% delta in both cases, within the margin for error), and both of the Democratic front runners (remember, Mike Gravel hasn’t officially dropped out or suspended his campaign) soundly ahead of Gov. Romney. Just for information.

ksfg – while I am still undecided about which of the two I will support after standing for Richardson I will make a ‘pro-Obama-Kumbaya’ observation: Might he be able to peel off 20% or so of the Republicans in Congress – especially the Senate? If so he would have a filibuster-proof working majority. That could be very important in getting legislation passed.

I am NOT talking about trying to get any of the Righties – just those that PaulTheCon etc call RINOs.

One thing I look to see is the ‘RINOs’ realize just how vicious the righties are with them calling McCain ’scum’ etc.

Obama’s inclusion of McClurkin on some of his campaign stops was clearly wrong, and he shouldn’t have done it.

Including a well-known openly gay dude for “counter-balance” didn’t work either.

But, FrmGrrl, you exaggerate greatly when you compare McClurkin to David Duke. Saying that the gay lifestyle is “wrong” is a lot different than supporting lynching somebody or maintaining a reign of terror over a minority community.

Not that it really matters, but it’s now an open secret that McClurkin didn’t “get over” his gayness. No surprise there.

If you listen to Obama’s message–it’s one of inclusion. Much more than Hillary’s has ever been.

And how’d those Clinton years work out for us all?

Open gay military service? No.
Legalized gay marriage or unions? No.

But if Bill couldn’t do it in 8 years, surely his wife will do it now, right?

Sorry. I don’t think so.

No Outlander, I did not and would NEVER post such a thing. That’s CRAZY.

WTF would make you think I’d ever do that? I have not posted anything racist here, including my QUOTE of Rodney King.- KFG

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Well kfg, I feel the same way. I didn’t think you posted it. But why would you even ask me if I did? I don’t post racist crap either.

So, for the third time, I didn’t and wouldn’t post anything like the vile “coon” comment. I expect you to shut up now.

Political_mama
Posted February 1, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

Outlander posted a poem about Obama with the word COON in it?

OMG Outlander…I always knew you were an asshole, I just didn’t know you were SUCH a dick too.

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How does it feel to be KFG’s dupe Pmom?

Still waiting on evidence of obama’s coattails or his ability to “crossover” 20 percent…

I said it was wrong, FrmGrrl.

But I don’t hear McClurkin preaching violence against gays.

That would be toxic and beyond the pale.

BTW, the racial slur was used in a poem by Pat Herron, not outlander.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/are-obama-supporters-deluding-themselves/

Scroll down 4/5ths of the page to:

Tap Herroni
Posted January 31, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Captain, you really should learn to quit while you are ahead. Obama didnt JUST embrace the hateful mcclurkin, who has declared war on gays and says gays are “killing our children” but also marymary who compares us to murderers, and hezakiah walker who, well, look up for yourself what they have said.

Yes, I think declaring war on us is inciting violence. I think saying we are killing children and comparing us to murderers is inciting violence.

The ex gay movement has FREQUENTLY used violent tactics to “cure” people of “the gay”. Particularly young people. And gay teens have the highest rate of suicide of any cohort. SO yeah, I think mcclurkin and his bigoted pals ARE inciting violence, as does the whole ex gay movement.

David Duke’s MOVEMENT (KKK) incites violence even if HE personally doesnt. As does the whole nazi/skinhead movement. Would those be ok with you as long as their representatives didnt PERSONALLY reequest violence?

Dont believe me? Google Donnie McClurkin + killing our children.

Or better yet, read the red letters here…

http://www.nbjcoalition.org/news/nbjc-responds-to-obamadonnie.html

That, btw, is from the national black justice coalition.

And as for answering questions? Nice dodge again on mine by asking me to answer something.

you first.. or do you just want to dodge again?

And please, continue to give me a platform to illustrate why the obama campaign, as Mr. C said, is in serious need of adult supervision. If he and his folks make these kind of ROOKIE mistakes in the campaign…

…IMAGINE what he and his will do as preznit with his finger on the button.

And if obama wants to tout “judgement” over experience? WTF does THIS mcclurkin/marymary/hezakiahwalker crap say about HIS judgement?

Cap your conversation is with Farmgirl not me. If McCain is the GOP candidate I am voting for Obama.

Hey, KFG,

have your heard this one? My guitar teacher and I have figured out the tabs on this babe. It’s a great song and I think of you when I try to play it.

Artist: Prine John
Song: Other Side Of Town
Album: Fair and Square John Prine Sheet Music
John Prine CDs

Why do you always seem to criticize me
Seems like everything I do just turns out wrong
Why don’t you come on out and despise me
So I could pack my bag and baby I’d be gone

I’m across the river on the other side of town
In my mind I’m on the other side of town.

Peace,
Steven

However, KsFrmGrrl, the fact that Ksgrm might vote for Obama.

Let THAT sink in . . .

Here ya go Capn, Monkey Hawk, et al.

If you wont answer my questions about obama, I’ll answer YOURS about Hillary.

Senator Clinton has worked very hard for LGBT community throughout her political career.

Hillary opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA) and helped to defeat it twice on the floor of the United States Senate. The LGBT community and activists turned to Hillary Rodham Clinton in both 2004 and again in 2006 to help defeat the FMA.

While First Lady, Hillary broke with the Clinton Administration and called for the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy.

Senator Clinton has been a leader in the fight for increased AIDS funding and access to services for HIV positive and AIDS patients. Hillary wrote the Early Treatment for HIV Act that would allow states to provide Medicaid coverage to low-income individuals living with HIV.

Hillary Rodham Clinton supports a trans-inclusive Employment Non Discrimination Act (ENDA). She favors ending discrimination in the workplace against individuals based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

Hillary is also the strongest champion of full adoption rights for LGBT couples.

“Gay and lesbian couples are just as loving and nurturing as any other parents,” Clinton said. “Anyone who thinks children are better off in foster care or orphanages than in a home where they are cared for and loved by a same-sex couple just doesn’t understand a child’s best interest.”

Hillary Clinton has a proven track record of working for us! That’s the lady I want as my President! If you live in one of those all important “Super Tuesday” states, then I encourage you to go out and support a candidate who really supports our community. The gay community MUST get behind Hillary Clinton!

http://gaysocialites.com/2008/01/the_gay_community_must…