A front-page article in The Eagle Saturday noted that as Barack Obama comes closer to clinching the Democratic nomination, the buzz is growing about Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as his running mate. She’s “the hot name right now,†Washington Post blogger Chris Cillizza wrote Friday. Her executive experience and track record as a Democrat who can attract Republican votes would be pluses. As Cillizza noted, “picking Sebelius would add to the historic nature of the Democratic ticket and draw huge amounts of media attention.â€
But Sebelius has no national security experience, which an Obama administration would sorely need. And her Democratic response to the State of the Union address flopped with her party’s base.
Nevertheless, a Sebelius vice presidential candidacy was further endorsed Sunday by fellow guest Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell on CNN’s “Late Edition,†during which Sebelius talked up Obama and talked about the issues so vital in her home state of Ohio, which votes March 4. “I’d like to see Kathleen here as his running mate. The prairie duo,†Rendell said.
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Obama needs help in Blue states.
Yah, Kathleen is a woman. — weird year, anything can happen.
BTW
Rendell is a Hillary Clinton supporter.
Not sure “fast Eddie” has the inside scoop here.
Hillary screwed up in Penn.
Rendell tried to help Hillary out, by giving her an extension to file a full slate of delegates.
However, Hillary still did not file a full slate, even with the extension.
This is just another sign that Hillary thought the Primary would be in her pocket, by now:
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/15759032.html
The Republicans whined that Bill Clinton had no national security experience and no foreign relation experience but we did a hell of a lot better than the goons Rumsfeld and Cheney who had tons of experience. After eight years of the Bush regime the Republicans have no room to criticize any Democrat on the issue of experience.
But, but, what will they do, Doug!? That’s all they got is criticism! You don’t really expect them to sit down and shut up, do?
Doug the problem we are currently having in Kosovo is the result of a brokered peace deal make by Clinton and Albright. How is that working for us now?
We had 8 unanswered terrorist attacks under Clinton unless you want to count our attack on the aspirin factory as retribution.
How is that for national security and foreign relation experience?
Doug
How is Kosovo going? Wasn’t that supposed to be “solved” by Clinton?
And Somalia?
“Black Hawk Down”??
Come on, foreign policy was not Bill Clinton’s strong suit, by any means.
Linda I think it was WS and Pmom who yesterday said “we are fed up and aren’t going to roll over and take it anymore”. Sounds like a plan to me.
Econ you make some very good points if I do say so myself.
“…we did a hell of a lot better than the goons Rumsfeld and Cheney…”
Doing nothing doesn’t count as doing anything.
By the way, boring speeches do not end Democrat careers.
Bill Clinton gave a horrible, windy speech at the Dukakis Convention, didnt he?
He was widely laughed at after he did that, but it did not hurt him, later on.
“Obama needs help in Blue states.”
Yeah, right…………………….
McCain is going to take a BLUE state – ain’t gonna happen.
McBush will be lucky to take Arizona.
And KSGrm and Rossell, what did Reagan do after the attack on the Marine Barracks in Beruit that killed 243 American service men?
He sued Iran.
Tough guy.
If Clinton had sued ANYONE after the first WTC attack, the Republicans would have gone ballistic.
BTW – the perp behind the attack is now serving life without parole in Colorado. The others behind it had their heads whacked off in Yemen.
And what did George W Bush do after the CIA certified that al Qaeda was behind the attack on the USS Cole?
The answer involves “swatting flies.”
Come on now, CONsevatives, answer the freakin’ questions – you criticize Clinton so what are your answers concerning St. Ronnie and George WMD Bush?
We had 8 unanswered terrorist attacks under Clinton…
May I ask where you got that number? And list the 8, please.
Well WS since Reagan hasn’t been prez for a long time I doubt if he should be in this equation. As for Bush doing something after he took office and saw the mess Clinton has left worldwide he might have simply been overwhelmed.
At least he did something and other than the Kosovo riots nothing US has been touched since 9/11. And we both know who is to blame for Kosovo. His wife is wanting back in the Whitehouse now. Hummm??
Gotta run. Back later.
1993 World Trade Center, U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam & Tanzania were bombed in 1998.
“Well WS since Reagan hasn’t been prez for a long time I doubt if he should be in this equation”
Neither has Clinton – so what did Ronnie do – not a god damned thing.
“As for Bush doing something after he took office and saw the mess Clinton has left worldwide he might have simply been overwhelmed.”
Bush said that he wasn’t going to be “swatting flies.”
Swatting freakin’ flies? They killed 19 Americans, and Bush considered them to be no more of a nuisance than FLIES?
Damn.
“And we both know who is to blame for Kosovo.”
Kosovo declared independence – the Bush administration recognized Kosovo as a new country – that is what caused the riots – although I agree with the Kosovars declaring independence.
“nothing US has been touched since 9/11″
I think the families of the 4,000 American dead in Iraq would tend to differ with you.
WS
It was a dumb idea for Reagan to “plant the flag” in Lebanon, to begin with.
I went through MRCD San Diego in 1977.
The Beirut thing hit me pretty hard, emotionally.
I did not like it that we had to leave, but many people, in the Reagan administration, did not think that we could prove who was behind the attack.
Ronald Reagan is a hero to me, in many ways, but Beirut was a mistake. A well intentioned mistake, but a mistake.
At the time, Reagan did not believe anyone would ever attack us like that, and that, somehow, planting an American Flag, alone, would make everyone behave.
Paul – how was sending an occupation force into Lebanon well intentioned. I don’t think the Lebanese people thought so as they were already fighting another invader with whom our troops were allied.
As for Bush doing something after he took office and saw the mess Clinton has left worldwide he might have simply been overwhelmed.
Remember those words when the Dems take office.
“in the Reagan administration, did not think that we could prove who was behind the attack.”
If it was Clinton that had “done nothing” the Right would have been on him like stink on shit – but they give St. Ronnie as pass.
And what about George “swatting flies?”
Got a rationale for that one?
The Right was all over Clinton for “not doing anything” until I pointed out that the Cole incident happened in the last months of his presidency, yet they all give George WMD Bush a pass.
What up with that?
WS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
“The destroyer’s rules of engagement, as approved by the Pentagon, kept its guards from firing upon the small boat loaded with explosives as it neared them without first obtaining permission from the Cole’s captain or another officer.[10]
Petty Officer John Washak said that right after the blast, a senior chief petty officer ordered him to turn an M-60 machine gun on the Cole’s fantail away from a second small boat approaching. “With blood still on my face,” he said, he was told: “That’s the rules of engagement: no shooting unless we’re shot at.” He added, “In the military, it’s like we’re trained to hesitate now. If somebody had seen something wrong and shot, he probably would have been court-martialed.” Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft “we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing seventeen American sailors.”[11]
This is what I fault Clinton for, Clinton tied our hands behind our backs.
And Ben
Reagan sent the Marines into Beirut as “Peace Keepers” — the civil war there did have several factions.
Some were happy to have us there, and others, obviously, were not.
“This is what I fault Clinton for, Clinton tied our hands behind our backs.”
So what did your hero, George WMD Bush do about it?
I suspected Kathleen might be on the short list for the ticket after hearing her SOTU response.
WS and Ben
Back to the Cole, this is what the WIKI link says:
“On November 3, 2002, the CIA fired a AGM-114 Hellfire missile from a Predator UAV at a vehicle carrying Abu Ali al-Harithi, a suspected planner of the bombing plot. Also in the vehicle was Ahmed Hijazi, a U.S. citizen. Both were killed. This operation was carried out on Yemeni soil.
On September 29, 2004, a Yemeni judge sentenced Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri and Jamal al-Badawi to death for their roles in the bombing. Al-Nashiri, believed to be the operation’s mastermind, is currently being held by the U.S. at Guantanamo Bay detention camp.[23] Al-Badawi, in Yemeni custody, denounced the verdict as “an American one.” Four others were sentenced to prison terms of five to 10 years for their involvement, including one Yemeni who had videotaped the attack.”
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Those held in Yemen either excaped or were released early.
Bush cleaned up the mess Clinton left?
My gawd, what a stupid thing to say. Is this the new con talking point? Did Rush or O’Reily start this?
Who was the idiot that did? To quote kfg: Jesus wept!
“On November 3, 2002″
Or just over TWO YEARS after the attack………….
And you folks criticized Clinton because HE didn’t do anything?
Hypocrites.
WS
First you say that Bush did “Nothing” — then I prove that Bush KILLED someone connected to the Cole attack, and you complain that it took Bush “two years” to find him and kill him?
You are absurd.
For starters, the Cole attack happened under Clinton. If Clinton had allowed our troops to defend themselves, it might not have happened at all, If Clinton had allowed our troops to respond, they might have been able to do more, at the time.
Identifying who was responsible, finding that idividual and targeting that individual and killing that individual are all very difficult tasks.
Bush responded, and killed a Cole mastermind.
Hmm? ANOTHER reason not to vote for Obama?
Got it.
“If Clinton had allowed our troops to defend themselves”
And Clinton gave the orders not to fire? Got anything to back that one up with?
“First you say that Bush did “Nothing” — then I prove that Bush KILLED someone connected to the Cole attack, and you complain that it took Bush “two years” to find him and kill him?”
The Right Wing Nuts on this blog consistently deride Clinton for “not doing anything” after the attack on the Cole, despite the fact it happened in October 2000, less than three months before Clinton left office. The “did nothing” comment was a direct response to the attacks on Clinton.
One of the chief critics of Clinton on this point is your very own KSGrm.
So, using your logic, Rossell, Clinton should not be criticized for any failures to react to terrorist incidents for the last two plus years of his term.
By the way, Rossell, it wasn’t me that used the terms “I won’t be swatting at flies” it was your hero George WMD Bush.
“Bush responded, and killed a Cole mastermind.”
Clinton had the main perp behind the first WTC attacked tried, convicted and sentenced to life without parole, yet you Cons STILL say that Clinton didn’t do anything.
What up with that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
Both the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration have been criticized for failing to respond militarily to the attack on the USS Cole before September 11, 2001. The 9-11 Commission Report cites one source who said in February 2001, “[bin Laden] complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked [in response to the Cole]… Bin Ladin wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger.”[17]
Paul, I got this from your post. It seems to me that we were attacked on 9-11 specifically because there was no response to the Cole bombing.
TDT you are very right. The conventional wisdom said at the time Bin Laden was like the playground bully. Trying bigger and bigger attacks to see how far he could go without getting hit back.
Bush finally showed him that point after Clinton failed time and time again.
“Bush finally showed him that point after Clinton failed time and time again.”
And just when did Bush have bin Laden captured and tried for the attacks on 9/11?
I must have missed that one.
He hasn’t been tried but he is in his own prison – cave – haven’t seen him lately have you? We hear from him ocassionally but he isn’t showing his cowardly face in public.
“He hasn’t been tried but he is in his own prison – cave – haven’t seen him lately have you?”
I never saw him in the first place, but Bush did say that he was gonna get those behind the 9/11 attacks, dead or alive. He’s still alive and he is still dangerous to the United States.
What happened to that?
If this were Clinton, the Republicans would be ALL over his ass.
But, because he is a Republican, he gets a pass.
Hey, but we got Saddam Hussein………………
Hey Germ, are you going to answer RD’s question and list the eight? Or will you “gotta run” again?
No farmgrl I am not going to go back and do his homework for him again. They have been listed time after time after time. I guess it is just a liberal trait always wanting the conservatives to do their work for them.
Shoot, I heard bin laden was living in the lap of luxury in a mansion built just across our southern border, in McCain’s home state of Arizona. He came in with the same people who built his house and now take good care of him.
I tried, I really did, but I never could prove this wasn’t true!
Linda you might be on to something here but the background in the pics of him look more like Harry Reids backyard in the Nevada desert.
Chas I have gotta to go. Not sure if I will return tonight and will be out of town for a few days.
OMG that is TOO funny! I guess yer the only one smart enough to find those germie! We’re just too dumb, and we need YOU to point it out. ‘Cause we’re so inept, ya know?
Or…
You could just admit it was a number pulled from your nether regions. just like your talk show “last night” that now, um, you conveniently cant back up.
hehehehehehehehehehehehehe.
And, FYI, RD is a “her” not a “him”.
…and notice, as predicted, she had to “run” again shortly after being busted? hehehehehehehheeheheh.
List what 8?
She would be an EXCELLENT choice for Obama. The rest of country just has to learn how to pronounce her name (I can’t).
How about McCain/Iseman for the GOOP ticket?
Paul, I got this from your post. It seems to me that we were attacked on 9-11 specifically because there was no response to the Cole bombing.
What crap — we were attacked for the reasons Ron Paul stated — OBL was pissed because he thought we were desecrating his honeland
So you think we should listen to Ron Paul, and try ever so hard not to ever, ever offend anyone?
The Saudi Government invited us to their land.
I am not particularly fond of the Saudi Government, but nobody has the right to harm America, in any way, for what we do or where we go, as an invited guest of another country.
“but nobody has the right to harm America, in any way, for what we do or where we go, as an invited guest of another country.”
Is THAT right?
Huh.
Guess we had no business telling the Russians what they could do as invited guests in Cuba?
Oh but I’m not really into this thread. But I like to catch paulie when he walks into the glass. It;s like a cat pretending he meant to do it.
Lie away paulie.
Ok I got the gist of where this went. And it is only interesting enough for me to offer this.
bin Laden remains free and alive.
THIS among many other bad lights, will be bush’s legacy.
He will be seen as the worst President in US history.
President Buchanan is widely seen as the “worst President in history” — partly because of the fact that he supported the “Lecompton Kansas Constitution” and he thought succession was illegal, but also thought it was illegal to stop succession.
Then, more recently, we had HOOVER, who cut spending, raised taxes, and tightened the money supply in a recession, and did NOT support free trade as much as he should have.
We also had LBJ, who defeated Goldwater by calling Goldwater a warmonger. Remember the mushroom cloud TV ad? Then, of course, LBJ got us deep into Vietnam, a noble cause poorly executed.
Then we had Richard Nixon, a genious on foreign policy, who might well have won, in Vietnam, except that his paranoid personality got him in trouble with the Watergate coverup, weakening the office so badly that he could not support our allies. Nixon was forced out of office.
Then we had Gerald Ford, a man castrated by the liberal Congress, who could not deal with inflation properly and who could not offer any support to our South Vietnamese allies as Saigon fell.
Then, we had Jimmy Carter, and the “Malaise President” who could not do anything right. The economy stunk under Carter, it truly WAS the worst economy in 50 years, though a later President overlooked that fact. Carter sent Navy helicopters to the “rescue” in Iran. Helecopters that were not equiped with filters to keep out the sand. Micromanager Carter was a disaster.
Then, after Ronald Reagan did a great job, and George W. Bush raised taxes, and then lost we got:
Bill Clinton, who was impeached and lost his law license for lying under oath!
Worst President ever?
Hardly.
Not even close.
George W. Bush had tougher challenges than most Presidents. He has done very well, though he is by no means perfect.
I do not think much of FDR on domestic policy, by the way, but he did an admriable job on national defense.
Though FDR, too, made mistakes that cost thousands of lives.
Remember, Bush said he wasn’t worried about bin Laden…it was so much more important to invade a country that was no threat to us…meanwhile bin Laden is snuggled up in Pakistan, where he has lots of supporters in a country that has nuclear weapons. I’m just glad their worthless leader got voted out…maybe the ones who take over will make a serious effort to find him…but I won’t hold my breath.
McCain says he’ll find him…I wonder just how he plans to do that.
nah bush is the worst paulie.
And that will be a concensus opinion for the rest of your life. Better to be getting used to it.
I don’t think anything the other presidents did out shines the incompetency of George Bush. Our country will never be the same because of the damage he’s done here at home and abroad. No one compares to him. Worst…President…Ever
You have to be kidding, Rossell, really.
Do you really think that George “19%” Bush has done very well?
What the Hell has he done right?
Cut taxes? Now we have the highest deficits on record and a massive National Debt with no end in sight.
Afghanistan? Bush diverted resources from Afghanistan to Iraq, failed to capture bin Laden and now the Taliban is resurgent.
Iraq? $1 trillion, 4,000 American dead and no end in sight, to depose a two bit, paper tiger dictator that could NOT even defeat a third rate power like Iran WITH WMD.
Daefur? Nothing.
North Korea? Yeah, that worked out real well.
Economy? Headed into a recession.
Uniting the country? Bush is widely seen to be the most divisive president in history and he seems PROUD of it.
George W Bush – Worst President Ever.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted February 25, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink
OMG that is TOO funny! I guess yer the only one smart enough to find those germie! We’re just too dumb, and we need YOU to point it out. ‘Cause we’re so inept, ya know?
Yes farmie it appears I am the only one smart enough. I would never call you dumb but you did that yourself:
July 1993 First WTC, 1 killed; March 1995 US Consulate Pakistan 2 Killed, Sept. 1995 US Embassy, Moscow 0 killed, Nov. 1995 Military Hdqrts Saudi 7 Killed, Feb. 1996 US Embassy Athens, 0 killed, June 1996 Kobar Towers 19 US military killed, Nov. 1997 Karachi Pakistan US Embassy 5 killed, June 1998 Lebanon US Embassy 0 killed, August 1998 Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania 263 killed 5000 injured, Oct 2000 USS Cole 17 US military killed.
It was even worse that I thought. Sorry you weren’t smart enough to do that on your own. Good thing I started to turn off my computer so I could pack and just happened to see your call for help.
Have a great one.
Nonsense.
History will be kind to George W. Bush.
Jeez, Reagan exceeded that death toll with just one incident – the Marine Barracks bombing in Beruit – and all the Republicans think that he is a great hero.
I am not minimizing the deaths or injured in terrorist attacks, but let’s put things in perspective.
Reagan did nothing about the attack in Beruit and he gets a pass.
Clinton tries to do something about the situation and Republicans accuse him of wagging the dog.
WS
Reagan won the cold war.
That overshadows everything else.
The Beirut bombing was something new to us. A faceless enemy with no clear country of origin.
Every President makes mistakes.
“George W. Bush had tougher challenges than most Presidents. He has done very well, though he is by no means perfect.”
He has mismanaged EVERYTHING since he’s been in office.
He totally went off track after 9/11…he used “the war on terror” as a ruse to topple Sadamn because he wanted revenge and he wanted to establish bases in the Middle East.
His challenges were no worse than Lincoln’s, Roosevelt’s, Truman’s, Kennedy’s, Johnson’s, Nixons, etc.
If you think Bush has “done very well”, I really question your sanity.
Let’s try a few facts to clarify the situation….you Republicans should remember “facts” right? Before Rush O’Hannity came along, that is how people used to discuss issues.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm
First WTC attack………..
Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.
Part II………………
Riyadh…………….
On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.
So what you are saying that Clinton had great foreign policy because he captured a blind sheik and bombed an aspirin factory?
Part IV………………..
Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania……
On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.
The USS Cole incident happened less than three months before Clinton left office……
Try actually READING the facts as posted KSGrm – now you are just being willfully ignorant.
I am putting you on WS because I just listed something farmie told me didn’t exist and you thought you had to defend Clinton because of it. I really do have to run. Have a great one!
“Reagan won the cold war.”
How did Reagan win the Cold War?
The Soviets never increased spending of “defense” so that is not what happened.
If anyone or anything is responsible for the collapse of the USSR, it would be the misadventure of the Soviets in Afghanistan and the resistance they encountered from the Taliban.
“History will be kind to George W. Bush.”
Based on what?
His bankrupting the country?
His horrible, ill-conceived misadventure in Iraq?
If anything, history will PROVE that George is the worst president in history.
His current approval rating of 19% will look like validation after history is finished with him.
“Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.”
And George W Bush was seen kissing and holding hands with Prince Bandar of ????????
Help me out here, where is the Prince from again?
Ya know?
I’m tired of that damned old lie.
“Ronald Reagan won the Cold war”
A doddering, mentally degenerating, geriatric sellout, won the Cold war. All by himself.
That is such horseshit.
No cred for Lech Walesa and Solidarity?
Just the ol jelly bean junkie.
Short history has been kind to Reagan. Long term history will see him as mediocre.
But bush? bush will be an object of scorn and hatred for generations.
Paul your grandchildren will parrot your silly line about “bush was great” and their school mates will make fun of them.
Back on topic:
Napolitano. She’s got more cred with the immigration nuts than McCain… and she’s more popular than he is in Arizona.
“Napolitano”
Not a bad choice, Mr. C, but I would doubt that Barack would call on her. One, being from Arizona she would cause an interesting conflict for the voters, but not one that she would likely win.
Two, she doesn’t have the experience factor to help overcome John “one year of experience 35 times” McCain.
Three, she just doesn’t have a great name recognition factor.
But, she is tough and smart, so regardless, she would be head and shoulders of the GOP’s pick for VP.
And she doesn’t have to steer clear of microwaves.
Cold War…
I have a certificate from Bill Clinton saying I served during that time…
JR
Yes Lech Walesa and Solidarity had much to do with the downfall of the Soviet Union.
However, Reagan had much to do with Solidarity.
WS
Yes, the Taliban had much to do with the demise of the Soviet Union. However, we assited the Taliban, for better and for worse, in that effort.
AND JR — Lech Walesa loved Ronald Reagan:
Lech Walesa
President of Poland from 1990 to 1995, & winner of the 1983 Nobel Peace Prize
GDANSK, Poland — When talking about Ronald Reagan, I have to be personal. We in Poland took him so personally. Why? Because we owe him our liberty. This can’t be said often enough by people who lived under oppression for half a century, until communism fell in 1989.Poles fought for their freedom for so many years that they hold in special esteem those who backed them in their struggle. Support was the test of friendship. President Reagan was such a friend. His policy of aiding democratic movements in Central and Eastern Europe in the dark days of the Cold War meant a lot to us. We knew he believed in a few simple principles such as human rights, democracy and civil society. He was someone who was convinced that the citizen is not for the state, but vice-versa, and that freedom is an innate right.I often wondered why Ronald Reagan did this, taking the risks he did, in supporting us at Solidarity, as well as dissident movements in other countries behind the Iron Curtain, while pushing a defense buildup that pushed the Soviet economy over the brink. Let’s remember that it was a time of recession in the U.S. and a time when the American public was more interested in their own domestic affairs. It took a leader with a vision to convince them that there are greater things worth fighting for. Did he seek any profit in such a policy? Though our freedom movements were in line with the foreign policy of the United States, I doubt it.President Reagan, in a radio address from his ranch on Oct. 9, 1982, announces trade sanctions against Poland in retaliation for the outlawing of Solidarity.I distinguish between two kinds of politicians. There are those who view politics as a tactical game, a game in which they do not reveal any individuality, in which they lose their own face. There are, however, leaders for whom politics is a means of defending and furthering values. For them, it is a moral pursuit. They do so because the values they cherish are endangered. They’re convinced that there are values worth living for, and even values worth dying for.
http://www.tommyduggan.com/VP070204lech.html
“However, we assited the Taliban, for better and for worse, in that effort.”
Yeah, how did that work out for us? That enemy of my enemy is my friend garbage is just bad foreign policy.
BUT, we did a great job of training bin Laden.
Just like we did a great job of training Saddam Hussein.
“Enemy of my enemy” is not good foreign policy.
Ronald Reagan destroyed more of the American middle class than he did the Eastern bloc.
WS
Then, by your logic, FDR was wrong to help the Soviet Union during WW2.
After all, the Soviets had a treaty with Hitler, first, until Hitler double crossed Stalin.
And, the Soviets gave the US absolutely no help, in the Pacific, against Japan. And the Soviets captured a couple of Japanese Islands, AFTER the US had already droped the bomb on Japan.
If we had allowed Hilter to take over the USSR, by waiting to go to war in Europe, where would we be today?
After all, Hitler did not bomb Pearl Harbor, did he?
No, WS, the enemy of my enemy is not a PERMANENT friend, ever.
We have no permanent friends and no permanent enemies, only permanent interests, as a nation.
Short term, however, if the enemy of my enemy is not a friend? Well, then we will lose every war we ever get into from now on.
The Soviets turned on us.
The Taliban turned on us.
Saddam turned on us.
However, we HAD to take that risk, in each and every case.
By the way
Reagan also worked with Pope John Paul to smuggle computers and communication equipment into Poland and other Communist countries.
Reagan knew that information was the enemy of Communism. What Reagan did, behind the sceens, can never be underestimated.
JR
Reagan came into office during the worst economy of my entire life, and I will turn 50 this year.
Reagan did more to save the American economy and to save the world than any President in my lifetime.
And JR
Dont you feel a little silly for bringing up Lech Walesa, and bashing Reagan, only to read how Lech Walesa gives so much credit to Reagan?
“Then, by your logic, FDR was wrong to help the Soviet Union during WW2.”
Unlike Reagan and Bush I, FDR was smart enough to keep Stalin at arms length and not to arm and train him to become a threat to us – the USSR was pitiful right after the War – they did not become a true threat to the US until the mid-Fifties.
Reagan embraced the Taliban and Hussein because they were enemies of the Soviets and Iran respectively. Bush I continued the practice.
We created monsters out of both of our “enemy of my enemy” friends. The Soviets became a monster all on their own.
Well that would be the take of someone like you paulie.
The economy of the seventies was worse than now?
Not for working people it wasn’t. But you and yours made your fortune destroying the working class. Everything from Reagan’s amnesty for illegals to union busting to most favored trading status for China.
And just yesterday you declared that American labor was not even worth a minimum wage.
Well at least that was honest of you.
And here is a goodnight for ya paulie.
If the “scary terrorists” get you?
I really don’t care.
“Reagan did more to save the American economy and to save the world than any President in my lifetime.”
Huh?
The Soviets were going to collapse under their own weight no matter what we did. They were doomed from the start by their dictatorial governments that were no better than the Czars that they replaced.
Reagan could have slept through the Eighties and the USSR would have died regardless.
Actually, Reagan DID sleep though the Eighties.
My bad.
Good point, “WSClark” –
It’s always seemed ironic to me that the only people on the planet who believe in the power of communism are members of the Republic Party.
No way that Obama’s handlers are stupid enough to pick Gov. “Marie Antoinette” Sebelius, the Arch-Duchess from Ohio as the VP running mate. Sebelius is the daughter of an Ohio Democratic Governor and the daughter-in-law of a Kansas GOP US Congressman. Sebelius’s only non-government job in her entire career was to work as the Topeka lobbyist for the Kansas Trial Lawyers Association. IN the US, a federal judge is the closest thing to royalty. The governor is married to a federal magistrate. Conservative Matt Drudge will crucify her as a symbol of the elitist lobbyists, attorneys and activits judges that are ruining our country. Liberal Ralph Nader will justifiably attack her as being a hypocritical power hungry amoral Democrat who is closely aligned with a corruption of the US Attorneys office in Kansas that has been politicized under both Democrat & GOP administrations.
My 3 favorite quotes from the Princess’s rebuttal to Bush’s recent state of the union address are:
“Here in the heartland, we honor and respect military service. We appreciate the enormous sacrifices made by soldiers and their families.
As governor of Kansas, I’m the commander in chief of our National Guard. Over the past five years, I’ve seen thousands of soldiers deployed from Kansas. I’ve visited our troops in Iraq; attended funerals and comforted families; and seen the impact at home of the war being waged.”
THE GOVERNOR CONTINEUS TO REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HORRIBLE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE COMMITTED ON A BI-PARTISAN BASIS BY SEDGWICK COUNTY JUDGES & PROSECUTORS OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD AGAINST DISABLED AIR FORCE VETERAN JOE LIDDLE FROM DES MOINES
“My father and my father-in-law both served in Congress; one a Republican and one a Democrat. They had far more in common than the issues that divided them: a love for their country that led them from military service to public service; a lifetime of working for the common good, making sacrifices so their children and grandchildren could have a better future.”
LIKE MOST POLTICIANS IN KANSAS, THE ONLY THING THAT HER FATHER & FATHER-IN-LAW HAD IN COMMON WAS TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN THE IMPORTANCE OF NEPOTISM & CONDONING GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION TO ADVANCE HER & HER HUSBAND’S POLTICAL CAREERS.
“I know government can work to benefit the people we serve because I see it every day, not only here in Kansas, but in states across the country.
Because I see it every day, not only here in Kansas, but in states across the country. I know government can work, Mr. President, because, like you, I grew up in a family committed to public service.”
SEBELIUS REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEGE THE CORRUPTION IN THE WICHTIA SRS OFFICE AS EVIDENCED BY THE SPECIFIC ALLEGATIONS OF A HUMAN RIGHTS ATROCITY COVERED UP BY A WICHITA FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST WHO IS THE DAUGHTER OF A RETIRED FEDERAL MAGISTRATE & WHO IS MARRIED TO A PARTNER IN THE MOST PROMIENT LAW FIRM IN WICHITA. THE ONGOING ATTROCITY HAS RESULTED IN A SMALL BOY BEING SCARRED EMOTIONALLY TO THE POINT OF WHERE HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH A SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER. THESE ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY REPORTED BY STATE LEGISLATORS TO SEBELIUS’S CHIEF AIDE, PATRICK WOODS. SEBELIUS CONDONES ALLOWING CHILDREN TO CONTINUE TO BE ABUSED TO AVOID HURTING HER OPPORTUNITY FOR A NATIONAL OFFICE BY ADMITTING THAT KANSAS HAS SERIOUS CORRUPTION PROBLEMS. IN THT RESPECT SHE’S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN GOP SEN. BROWNBACK.
I hope that the Wichtia Eagle continues to promote Sebelius for national office. The mainstream media in Kansas has conspired to cover up the fascism & corruption in Kansas for many years. Nothing will change until an out of state newspaper has a political motive to humiliate the Democrat & GOP fascists in Topeka by exposing the hypocrisy and unethical or illegal acts committed and condoned by Kansas elitist journalists, judges, politicians and unviersity professors.
If the spotlight is turned on Kansas, maybe Democrat Governor Sebelius will not try to politically rehabilitae a misogynistic, abusive, women hating former GOP Attorney General Bob Stephan (who was indicted for perjury) by appointing him to be chairman of a state commission on domestic violence. It goes to show that you have to have a sense of humor to follow Kansas poltics.
Bill McKean
kiakahahaha@yahoo.com
293-6079
He hasn’t been tried but he is in his own prison – cave – haven’t seen him lately have you?
I know I haven’t seen him listed on the Most Wanted list. Nobody is looking for him, nobody cares. I often wonder if killing OBL would get Dubya in big trouble with the Royal Saudis, so it’s easier not to find him.
And, FYI, RD is a “her” not a “him”.
TY, my friend. Ksgrm should know that. Maybe her memory is slipping?
Uh huh.
I hope you wiped your chin, your monitor, and the general vicinity after that last there Bill.
We gotta get a club or a rubber corner for you and yours there bill.
To the people who blame Clinton about what’s going on in Kosovo perhaps none of you realize that Clinton hasn’t been in office for seven years. Why not extend your stupidity and blame FDR since he didn’t send soldiers in there to occupy the region during the second world war and prevented the installment of a Soviet friendly government.
Republican stupidity knows no bounds.
J.R.
Thank you so much for taking the time to read my blog entry. Isn’t free speech great? These blog entries stay on here forever. In fact if you google up “Ameridad” and “Pilshaw” you see a link to a Eagle blog entry made by Joe L. (oops I mean Ameridad) in which he posted a link to another national website where he publicized Pilshaw’s involvement in the Dewey Gaither case & only 9 months later Pilshaw is going to get booted off the court by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court will ignore the Commission on Judicial Qualification’s recommendation for a public censure because they do not want to investigate Joe’s complaints against her & Nola Foulston’s asst. district attorney, Christine Ladner. Heck I won’t even be able to file my complaint against her.
You see J.R. There are other people besides you that read these blogs. Just ask Defeated (Not Retired) Judge Kennedy.
Please stay tuned. We wild & crazy guys just can’t wait to shift the focus from Judge Pilshaw to Judges Friedel, Roth, Fleetwood, Yost, Brooks. Geez. You’d think that Nola Foulston would have the guts to charge me with criminal defamaton by now if my allegatons were not true. It’s so much more cowardly to call someone crazy.
Feel free to contact me by e-mail if you want to read any advance copy.
Very truly yours,
Bill McKean
kiakahahaha@yahoo.com
293-6079
I have requested the approach of a “Call Back Petition” against Governor Sebelius. The Senate and House of Kansas was notified. She is under investigation for being ILLEGAL. See http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=808 and see the articles here about her sons “BIGOT” game. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
Herb–
They have drugs for that now.
Ask your doctor . . .
I cannot really believe that any Dems are naive enough to think that the Dems, when they have the Executive in view, are going to be crazy enough to put O at the top of the ticket.
He merely saved them from Hillary. He will do well to get #2 spot from the superdelegates. The Dems are crafty, they will run a sure winner in #1 spot. That is why the superdelegates exist, to throw democracy aside and set the Dems up for the win. They know all about O’s background and the dirt that Hill will not thrown but the Repubs will — if and when O is a threat. (Actually the r’s should play it now to help Hiil, for McCain can beat her — but will not beat whoever the Dems annoint at the August Bash in Denver.
My money is on Algore with a side of Obama.
First off if you look in the polls people say they are concerned about the economy. Kathleen Sebelius can help with that. I find the Obama/Sebelius ticket a good idea, she is liked with blue collar workers, and is a great Governor.
In 2001 Sebelius was named as one of Governing Magazine’s Public Officials of the Year while she was serving as Kansas Insurance Commissioner.
In November 2005 Time named Sebelius as one of the five best governors in America, praising her for eliminating a $1.1 billion debt she inherited, ferreting out waste in state government, and strongly supporting public education — all without raising taxes. Also praised was her bipartisan approach to governing, a useful trait in a state where Republicans have usually controlled the Legislature.
In February 2006, the White House Project named Sebelius one of its “8 in ‘08″, a group of eight female politicians who could possibly run and/or be elected president in 2008.
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