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By: Jed

Jed — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:51:01 +0000

Outie,
“Probably unwittingly, you nailed it JR. It is a sad state of affairs that economics is used as justification to snuff out human life.”

That sad state of affairs has existed unbroken throughout recorded history. At it’s root, economic wealth has always represented survival; that’s why getting rich is so effing popular!
Funny you should bring it up, since you violently oppose anything that effectively alleviates that sad state of affairs as “socialism.”

By: WSClark

WSClark — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:36:54 +0000

It is only the anti-choice folks that approve of the murder of doctors that perform abortions.

So much for pro-LIFE………………..

By: Jed

Jed — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:31:46 +0000

Reggie,
The country is now so polarized on the issue of abortion that it would be impossible to find anyone who is honestly unbiased one way or the other and not brain-dead, so no regulatory body can exist that can fairly render a judgement on the actions of a doctor that performs abortions. You anti’s created this state of affairs with your willingness to use any means no matter how despicable, say anything, no matter how untrue, bring legal actions no matter how fraudulent, kill doctors, bomb clinics, threaten patients, harass children, threaten contractors, vandalize homes etcetera, etcetera, to achieve your absolutist ends, so I guess now you’re stuck with it. Dr. Tiller can’t be fairly regulated. Unfortunately, neither can you!

By: WSClark

WSClark — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:07:26 +0000

We “suspect” that Troy Newman has had unprotected intercourse with farm animals – we have photographs of him walking away from a petting zoo with a smile on his face – we want a Grand Jury to investigate this and we want him to “prove” that he is innocent.

We want all of his personal records, his copies of National Geographic and his history of visiting CatFancy.com and we want those records TOMORROW.

Further, we want to KNOW why he was visiting the Kansas Humane Society facility, why there is possibly straw on the floorboards of his car and why he is denying the State that information.

If he has nothing to hide, then he should be glad to PROVE himself innocent.

We don’t care how much it costs him, he needs to PROVE that he is innocent.

By: J R

J R — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:59:09 +0000

It is a fact most women conserve the limited resources they have for their children already born outlander.

I wonder, how many women chose to terminate a pregnancy due to welfare “reform”.

I will expect to see you weigh in support on SCHIP and health care for all and other social aid outlander. Now that you recognize the problem.

By: WSClark

WSClark — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:48:08 +0000

Operation Screw You should be required to repay Dr. Tiller for every cent he has to spend for clerical efforts provide records and for his legal defense when he is proven to be innocent of any wrong doing.

If Tiller has nothing to hide, yada, yada……..

In the United States, you are INNOCENT until proven guilty – not the other way around.

A man, even a doctor that performs abortions, should not have to prove his innocence.

OR’s case seems to be based on photographs taken from across a parking lot – that “evidence” is meaningless – there is no proof even that those women have had abortions.

This is nothing more than a witch hunt a la Salem 1620.

If there is admissible evidence of a crime, then it should be brought forward in a criminal case – if not – let the man be.

Abortion is legal in Kansas – if you disagree with that – take it up with your representatives – don’t harass a doctor for practicing his profession.

By: outlander

outlander — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:44:55 +0000

“Abortion exists because our society values life only provisionally. Some are deemed fit to live. Some to die. Economics being the arbiter.”

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Probably unwittingly, you nailed it JR. It is a sad state of affairs that economics is used as justification to snuff out human life.

By: J R

J R — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:38:05 +0000

I hate to say it Mary.

But I fell you have been dishonest with me and the forum.

You have advocated truly pro life practices. But you are also on this witch hunt to shut Dr. Tiller down.

Which if course means you want to take a woman’s right to choose. You just want to do it by denying a facility existence.

In all respect, it would be more honest for you to simply admit you want a woman’s right to choose taken away.

I have to tell you this disappoints me.

Abortion exists because our society values life only provisionally. Some are deemed fit to live. Some to die. Economics being the arbiter.

By: Regular

Regular — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:28:54 +0000

Tell us Jed, why is Tiller so resistant in letting the State examine Medical Records to insure he is in compliance with the law?

Do you think Tiller is above the law and should not be monitored?

Should Tiller do what he wishes behind closed doors, never to have any oversight at all?

By: Jed

Jed — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:23:40 +0000

Oh please, Mary! You anti’s have demonized Tiller for so long and so hatefully that you wouldn’t recognize the truth if it had it’s teeth buried in your gluteus maximus! I’ve at least met the man and talked with him. All you do is ignorantly pass judgement.

By: Mary Caruso

Mary Caruso — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:56:17 +0000

Oh please!! Jed you can’t be THAT naive! Tiller is only concerned about saving his own ass. Think about it..the authorities who are investigating his practice are not members of OR or any other pro-life group.
I’ll bet when the truth comes out, your Dr Tiller won’t appear to be the saint you seem to think he is. Why is he so afraid of the truth being told if his practice is totally on the up and up?
There is no way any of his patients are going to be identified, no way. The investigators won’t allow that. They will do things by the book, because the liability will be to great if they don’t.

By: Jed

Jed — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:25:52 +0000

Mary,
“If Tiller is so innocent, then why is he spending big bucks trying to stop any investigation? Why wouldn’t he just cooperate and let the investigators see the records?”

Maybe you forgot the last time he turned over records, with solemn promises made that they would be absolutely sealed, only to have them all turn up on Bill O’Reilly a week later? He wouldn’t have much regard for his patients if he didn’t fight this intrusion.
Also, a couple years ago, OR managed to identify a patient going into a Wichita clinic, and flooded her neighborhood with anonymous postcards with their usual pictures of dead babies and accusing her by name of killing her baby. She hadn’t gone in for an abortion, she was picking up samples of birth control. We don’t need 2,000 repeat performances!

By: Mary Caruso

Mary Caruso — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:08:56 +0000

Why don’t you start the petition, Jed? If Tiller is so innocent, then why is he spending big bucks trying to stop any investigation? Why wouldn’t he just cooperate and let the investigators see the records? All healhcare providers have their records reviewed all the time.
I remember when this whole business first started, someone mysteriously flooded his clinic from the roof top….I wonder if by chance the chart room was flooded? That wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

By: Vaughn Tolle

Vaughn Tolle — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:08:48 +0000

I would ask anyone who is interested to read the Order; the link is on the homepage of kansas.com in the update article. There have been raised at least three questions, one of which is the power of a Grand Jury to issue a subpoena duces tecum.

By: Jed

Jed — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:02:48 +0000

Now, how many of you would be willing to sign a petition demanding an in-depth grand jury investigation of possible terrorist acts, threats, harassment, misuse of funds and anything else they may find out about by Operation Rescue and KFL? They would subpoena their financial records and those of their leaders, search for stockpiles of explosives, lists of donors and amounts, printing orders, hear witnesses testify to possible threats, check e-mails. phone records and personal ties for links to other anti-abortion terrorist groups etc. We have considerably more probable cause for an investigation than they had, and for much more serious crimes.
Let’s get this started! What’s good for the goose….!

By: Political_mama

Political_mama — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:45:23 +0000

This had better be the last time they harass him after he is proven innocent once again. I mean it, they need to pass a law against this.

I think everytime that he comes up clean, Operation Rescue and KFL should get fined a million each to recoup costs.

By: Ben

Ben — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:41:08 +0000

’suspected’ – I am sure there is SOMEONE out there who ’suspects’ them of something. In fact, when the IRS inquired of them they DID scream harassment.

By: Regular

Regular — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:35:10 +0000

Ben,

If Spirit One was suspected of doing illegal practices or activities, then I would encourage prosecution go forward – that would include any Church, including the one I attend.

Your proposed hypothetical argument is fallaciously imbalanced by pre-assigning values of what “Conservatives” might think.