As aimless as the GOP presidential nominating process has been so far, are things really so bad that the party is headed for its first contested convention in 60 years? Associated Press reported talk of it at the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting in Washington, D.C. The last such nomination stalemate was in 1948, when New York Gov. Thomas Dewey won on the third convention ballot, only to lose the election to Harry Truman. Of course, every day the GOP takes to sort it out, the spotlight remains on current standard-bearer George W. Bush.
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Voter fraud in Nevada and New Hampshire, ballot issues in SC. Seems to me too many folks buying too many polling locatons.
2007 was a banner year for changes and upsets in college football. How many number 1 teams fell? And, even after Jen 7, do we agree on who ended up there?
Sounds like the GOP nomination will follow …
Voter Fraud LINK
The spotlight remains on Bush? Odd conclusion. Bush makes a trip to the Middle East and hardly anybody notices. As long as there is a tight contest for the nomination, the focus is on that. Once a nominee is determined, the media go back to covering other things. A convention that actually means something, rather than just a coronation, would draw lots of interest and attention. And it could happen on the Democratic side too, if Obama and Clinton break even, more or less, and Edwards declines to drop out.
Why is it “bad” that there is a contested race instead of a quick knockout? Maybe the media will need to develop an attention span this time, instead of declaring the race “over” after each successive primary. It is amusing how every few days the pundits find a new “front runner” and new people on “life support.” McCain was dead, then Romney was dead, Thompson has been dead for awhile, and now Giuliani and Huckabee are dead for the moment. Everybody knows that in the end each party will coalesce around its nominee, so why is keeping a focus on your candidates and their messages for a longer time necessarily a bad thing for a party?
Let the voters take care of the election process. So what it takes until September.
Now granted I have gotten kind of touchy about how the media is treating my boy R. Paul.
LoL and this is no different, this morning I was looking at the Eagle from over the weekend and saw the write-up about the Candidates. They had the pictures of the GOP candidates and I noticed that Paul was shown last… After Alan Keys! OMG give me a break, after Keys! I did not even know he was running again until he showed up on one of the debates. And they call Paul a Kook! BTW Paul is back up above a million on donates for this quarter.
Hey is anyone else planning to go to the Caucuses in Feb? Though the ruling class of the state GOP has crowned Mc Cain. I wonder if they are aware that he states as one of his proudest accomplishment is stopping the tanker deal?
Writer I plan to be there. That is just one of the McCain points I intend to bring up. His immigration policy before public opinion forced him to back up. His McCain/Feingold debacle on campaign finance reform. His part in the gang of 14 that sold the repubs done the river. Oh yeah I plan to be there and armed to the teeth – with facts.
Should be fun. As for the convention. Bring it on. I agree we need to have a convention that really means something. Maybe more people will wake up to the fact that politics is their life in action on in most cases inaction.
The comment about Bush made absolutely so sense.
I think the gop have a good chance if either Hillary or Barak are nominated.
Hillary will never be able to “live down” Bills antics and their numerous unanswered questions / skeletons. .. and I’ve mixed emotions about Bill being back in the WH. Do you really think his philandering is over? Republicans in Congress will have a field day almost every day….
Seems a lot of people are uncertain about Obamas’ lack of leadership / management experience. A lot more people will never elect a person of color (any). Maybe 4-8 years down the road.
Ken – It will be Obama or Clinton, and every Democrat will suck it up and vote for whichever one it is, because the other option would be to vote for a Republican.
There are over 125 Christian evangelicals with some form of Dominionist agenda sitting in our Congress. There are literally tens of thousands who sit in think tanks and policy making centers who share the same values. We have Same Brownback. These are the folks who wish to destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights ( Brownback included – see his signature on the Reconstruction of the Constitution Bill) and install their version of a Theocracy and a closed society. There is the same percentage of jackals existing in the Senate on both sides. There are close to 30 thousand paid lobbyists in Washington who deal on both sides of the aisle. Congress is officially dead. The telecommunications industry is practically owned by the far right who have also been bought by special interest groups and who are attempting to merge and control all information on a global level with the help of Rupert Murdock who now owns much of American telecommunications and other. It is these folks, the media and pundits who are selecting the next President, not the American people. Mike Huckabee who is a Dominionist won Iowa and came in second in NC. That has not upset the nation because the media has not done investigative reporting but has allowed this Huckster to rise. And then there is Romney, not a Dominonist, but close – and who in spite of being a Mormon, continues to rise and fall in the race for Presidency. It is common knowledge that the Republican Party sold itself to the Christian Right. The Cheney/Bush Whitehouse aligned itself to the Christian Right by taking money from nefarious sources ( Sun Myung Moon who hates America as well as Christianity and who is waiting for the Fall of this Roman Empire in order to install himself as the Global Messiah). Bush and his entire family have taken millions upon millions from Moon while Moon and his love for so-called Christian values marries off millions of slave brides and grooms worldwide). What is troubling about this picture is the fact that these types of individuals have actually gotten this far in our entire system of government. What is more troubling is the fact that nationwide media have paid so little attention to who this Huckabee Huckster really is. Huckabee who wants wives to adore and stay home, wants Roe v. Wade dissolved, wants gays to be put into camps with HIV infected patients, wants God installed in place of the Constitution, wants immigrants to be treated like cattle, who advocates forms of bigotry, racism, and other has risen to the top of this pile to reveal to me that the brown boots are now in charge and that even though Huckabee may not win, ( which I believe he will) it shows how far this nation has come to align itself with totalitarian and fascist puppets pretending to uphold the old truths of this nation, they have sold us out and we, the good Germans, have allowed this to happen. The new Holocaust mentality will present itself in force once the global markets and our own are depleted. Once this fall out begins or if there is another catastrophe which this surely would be, you will see that the question of ” will the Republic Party win in September?” is pointless and so is this election – The Christian Nationalist and global movement will not end with this election.
I do not think that John McCain has strong support, in Kansas.
I think McCain gets the Rudy vote, if Rudy tanks in Florida. Rudy has a “winner take all” strategy, going after such states, assuming that this is a “nomentum” rather than a “momentum” year.
In other words, Rudy is ignoring the media.
A Rudy win, in Florida, would be fun, simply for the red faces that would cause, in the media.
(As if you can shame those clowns?)
I agree that McCain will be hurt, in Kansas on the Boeing issue. I would love to see Todd Tiahrt lead the charge, on that attack.
Yes, Brownback did endorse McCain. It is an odd election, on the endorsement front. Bob Jones University endorses Romney. Brownback Endorses McCain. Robertson endorses Rudy.
I think that Brownback was making a “prediction” in his mind, with the hope of having enfluence, with the candidate he felt was “inevitable”.
I think Brownback made a reasonable guess, but I still don’t think that McCain will win.
The best thing that can happen, for the “Conservative” candidates, is for Rudy and McCain to split the “moderate” vote, in Florida.
Actually, some polls have Romney ahead, in Florida, but I have a hard time believing that, even as a Romney fan.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_republican_primary
and, I know, it was the Bob Jones University PRESIDENT not the non-profit University.
This is all just theatre, our next prez is already picked. People seem to be “alright” with vote fraud and effed up Diebold-Bush vote machines. To most of blind, apathetic and most of publek skul dummed down America, the vote fraud is only believed by the paranoid freak left.
Whatever, go back to sleep. Everything is taken care of, just like you want.
I think the best results for the Democrats would be for John McCain to win the GOP nominations, and Obama to win the Democratic nomination. There are a lot of Republicans that do not like McCain, and might even vote for Obama if there other choice was McCain. If it’s Clinton for the Democrats, the Republicans will lock step behind ANY ONE who is the GOP nomination.
I’m beginning to think that GMC70 may well get his wish for a brokered convention, at least on the GOP side. It may well happen on the Dem side, too, but I see it as a bit less likely, given the “Super Delegate” thing.
It is probably a Romney/McCain race.
Rudy is the wild card.
Evangelicals are split, on Huckabee. If Huck can’t win in South Carolina —.
Also, in Florida, it appears it is harder for Independents to vote in the GOP Primary.
This might explain why Romney is doing better with “likely voters” there.
This is not good for McCain.
Another thing: there is a good reason for everyone to stay in the race, and for nobody to drop out, on BOTH sides.
“Brokered Conventions” require BROKERS and everyone wants to be a player.
Giuliani is the most qualified candidate on either side of the fence. I would like to see Giuliani team up with Wichita favorite son, Robert Gates.
Ron Paul’s positions are interesting but he lacks charisma and “oomph” to run successfully for President. He needs to continue to promote his positions from a speakers platform.
I think that one may be a “player” and yet be a “broker”. If outright victory cannot be obtained, then the person(s) with the delegates who cannot obtain his victory certainly may have a big say concerning the eventual nominee, which, of course, may be him should there be someone else willing to subordinate his personal desires. Otherwise, deals are made, and the delegates are released “with directions” as to the person to support, etc. It could be very interesting; or, as Econ has suggested, after the “Super Tuesday” voting at the latest, it could be just another hypothetical.
A lot can happen between now and September. :)
Giuliani, when asked if waterboarding was torture replied, “it depends on who’s doing it.”
Say what? When is a kick to the groin, not a kick to the groin?
The last thing we need in the White House is another administration of selected ethics.
McCain/Huckabee ticket still looks the most likely to me. Between the two of them they will have the delegates – or at least close. A Senator and a Governor. Two ‘wings’ of the Party.
Also, if the ticket loses then it hasn’t really hurt Huckabee. Of course, it would be the end for McCain.
McCain did not do as well in South Carolina, in total votes or in percentages, as the last time he ran.
The field was just more divided.
I don’t think McCain can win the nomination.
I will support him if he does, but I just don’t see how he pulls it off.
Huckabee has trouble, even with the “values voter” base. Pro life Catholics are splitting to Thompson and Romney.
WS
Well, legally, it DOES matter who is doing it.
If it is the US Military, It is illegal if done against a POW.
If it is the US Military, It is probably illegal if against, even, an illegal enemy combatant, who does not have POW status under Geneva.
If it is the CIA, against a criminal with no recognized military chain of command, it is NOT illegal.
Definitions are important folks.
Your desires are not law. Your wishes are not law.
Will sreial-polygamist Giuliana pull through in Florida? Is his fellow Rush supporting him based on having similar ‘values’?
Ben
Come on.
Rudy’s life style is not as objectionable as that of Bill Clinton?
Sometimes, divorce might be better, in my mind, if you obviously can’t be faithful.
Also, Florida, full of beaches and full of New York “snow birds” is not exactly unforgiving, on fidelity issues.
I like Rudy.
I do think he would have trouble with the Republican base, for the reasons you mention. However, those, in the Republican base, in a divided field, have several other places to dilute that moralistic view.
I am guessing that Rudy will pull at least 20% in Florida. Any more than that, INHO, and McCain is in real trouble.
Ben
Actually, the polygamist in the race is NOT the Mormon?
That is kind of funny.
Dont forget, McCain divorced and remarried. That divorce is one of the reasons McCain has caught the anger and distrust of Ross Perot.
Perot claims that McCain called him for help, after a car wreck, involving his former wife. Perot went to the hospital and was a friend to the family. Then Mrs McCain came out of the hospital with a limp. Perot has been critical of McCain for “dumping the wife with the limp for a younger woman” in so many words.
:)
Thing is Paul – your Party is the one that constantly preached ‘family values’
“If it is the CIA, against a criminal with no recognized military chain of command, it is NOT illegal.”
George W Bush says that we do NOT torture – waterboarding is defined as torture – so how does that allow the CIA to waterboard?
By the way, Paul, John McCain, who WAS tortured, does not support the Guiliani/Bush/Rossell position.
Torture is wrong – we are supposed to have the moral high ground – we lower ourselves to the levels of the terrorists if we torture.
The real world is not an episode of “24.”
“Well, legally, it DOES matter who is doing it.”
And the question posed to Rudy the Crossdresser was “is waterboarding torture?” not is it legal or not.
WS
You define waterboarding as torture.
The law does not always do so.
Try to seperate what you want from what is the law.
WS
McCain did say he would give a Presidential Pardon to anyone who could claim, justifiably, that torture had saved us from a nuclear attack.
Hillary is even more clear. Hillary would exempt such people from criminal prosecution, in the first place.
“torture” is a legal term.
Rudy gave a precise, correct, legal answer.
One thing Bush has accomplished – he has made Bush 1 look good:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/96372
Fishing for a Way to Change the World
Bush thought his father lacked a grand doctrine. His greatest failures have come from trying to craft one.
Hats Off to You, Dad: The longer Bush has been in office, the more his father’s reputation for statesmanship and stability has grown
Bush’s speechwriter – on Bush:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/96377
How My Party Lost Its Way
What caused the unraveling of the Republican Party? The president’s former speechwriter explains.
“Torture is wrong – we are supposed to have the moral high ground – we lower ourselves to the levels of the terrorists if we torture.”
End of story.
The real world is not an episode of 24.
“Torture is wrong – we are supposed to have the moral high ground – we lower ourselves to the levels of the terrorists if we torture.”
End of story.
Brokered convention, here we come!! Wheeeee!
and this is a bad thing, just how?
JWink
Posted January 21, 2008 at 12:41 pm | \l “comment-278752″
Giuliani is the most qualified candidate on either side of the fence. I would like to see Giuliani team up with Wichita favorite son, Robert Gates.
Ron Paul’s positions are interesting but he lacks charisma and “oomph” to run successfully for President. He needs to continue to promote his positions from a speakers platform
JWink I am not sure about Giuliani, like most I suffered from “blood lust” after 9-11 and he would have been my choice to lead the lynching party. But 7 years down the road I am not sure if I would want a hang um high kind of leader. The terrorists are small and wiry which take a cold and thinking plan not a reactionary all guns blazing.
I agree on Paul, that has always been his problem in that I think he has a better personal understanding of the issue. But it is hard for him to explain his understanding in a few minutes. I seem to keep coming back to my amazement at his attracting younger voters. I know what has attracted me to him, I just think too damn much LOL. And taking into account his “outsider, rebel” label maybe a factor, but watching these younger voters videos on youtube. It seems they have a good understanding of what he is saying and it is his message and not his status that is attracting them.
I agree GMC70….Wheeeeee!
Dog –
I pray for that Wheee! in BOTH conventions!
LOL according to one of my best friends, it is all for not as the trilateral commission has already pick the next President. Damn him he is smarter than I am and is right all of the time. Oh well Survivor has lost its appeal and this is more entertaining. Of course how smart can he be, as I said he is one of my best friends! :>
How smart can he be if he believes all that John Birch, “Trilateral Commission” stuff?
Paul, just do not get into a discussion of the Time/space displacement in a bi-lateral co-operative relative effect on the micro-biological of the cell with him. It will make your head swim!
He is also kind of handy to have around when the car breaks down too!
Writerdog
I got a relative like that.
Dont bring up “proton polorization” with her. She wrote the book on that subject, I think.
LOL
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