“Why, as a New York-based paper, are we not backing Rudolph Giuliani?,†a New York Times editorial asked. “Why not choose the man we endorsed for re-election in 1997 after a first term in which he showed that a dirty, dangerous, supposedly ungovernable city could become clean, safe and orderly? What about the man who stood fast on Sept. 11, when others, including President Bush, went AWOL?
“That man is not running for president.
“The real Mr. Giuliani, whom many New Yorkers came to know and mistrust, is a narrow, obsessively secretive, vindictive man who saw no need to limit police power. Racial polarization was as much a legacy of his tenure as the rebirth of Times Square.â€
The editorial board’s pick: John McCain, calling him “the only Republican who promises to end the George Bush style of governing from and on behalf of a small, angry fringe.â€
The Times preferred Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side, saying she is the most qualified to “start immediately on challenges that will require concrete solutions, resolve, and the ability to make government work.â€

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I loved what Biden said about rudy. Paraphrasing, but he noted that a noun, a verb, and “9/11″ are all rudy can say.
Stick a fork in him. He’s done.
Repub. choices, 9-11! No White Flag! Magic Underwear!
Giuliani does have 1 Delegate vote. :D
Rudy will do fine after this. He can become the spokesman for 7-11.
Really darlings, did you expect the NY Times to endorse a Conservative?
John-John is the lapdog for the Leeberal Newsrags who write whatever it takes to get a Leeberal in the White Whore House. And I just hate dogs!
It was a tough choice between Rudy and John-John, but the fear with Rudy is that he might actually win.
PRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr………
Really darlings, did you expect the NY Times to endorse a Conservative?
John-John is the lapdog for the Leeberal Newsrags who write whatever it takes to get a Leeberal in the White Whore House. And I just hate dogs!
It was a tough choice between Rudy and John-John, but the fear with Rudy is that he might actually win.
PRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr………
xxoo
The New York Times are not electing the candidates, their endorsement may mean the death knoll for these two. No Hillary Care
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
“Rudy will do fine after this. He can become the spokesman for 7-11.”
Good one Doug!
I loved what Biden said about Obama. Course Heelary Baby better watch out what she says about that Obama Man or she be going the same direction as Bye Bye Biden……..
In the article published Wednesday, Biden is quoted evaluating presidential rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, former Sen. John Edwards, D-North Carolina, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. His remarks about Obama, the only African-American serving in the Senate, drew the most scrutiny.
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/
I loved what Biden said about Obama. Course Heelary Baby better watch out what she says about that Obama Man or she be going the same direction as Bye Bye Biden……..
In the article published Wednesday, Biden is quoted evaluating presidential rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, former Sen. John Edwards, D-North Carolina, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. His remarks about Obama, the only African-American serving in the Senate, drew the most scrutiny.
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/
Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
xoxo
If the New York Times is endorsing McCain that is all the more reason to vote for Romney now.
Pleeeeeeze do vote for romney. He’ll get beaten in November like a rented mule.
Omg, litter box. That article is a YEAR OLD?
Woof.
KFG,
Is there anyone who you don’t think will get beaten like a rented mule on the Republican side?
McCain is polling at a statistical dead heat with both Obama and Clinton.
But please, please, PLEASE vote for Romney.
KFG,
You know what happens to polls, don’t you?
They change.
Once the Republicans nominate someone, and hopefully come together, the head to head match up should change.
Democrats are much better at uniting behind whomever is nominated once that happens and right now the Republicans are still not quite there yet.
Those polls will change.
The New York Times was one of those papers who acted as cheerleader for BushCo and their war. Maybe that is why they like McCain – they hope he can vindicate THEIR war.
Ben,
Most of the Democrats acted as cheerleader for the war as well.
Come to think of it, most of the country was all behind the invasion too.
Well Nathan, like I said…
PUL-EEZE vote for romney!
KFG,
Ok.
New York firefighters and police hate the man. I mean HATE the man. New Yorkers at large despise him, but still, he’s America’s Mayor. And if that be the case, I’m no American.
Rudy 9iu11ani
None of the Police I have spoken to from New York hate him.
“Rudy will do fine after this. He can become the spokesman for 7-11.”
Ya think? I bet he needs a hundred takes before he stops saying 9 instead of 7.
Rudy’s done. SO done that Huckabee was nice to him in the debate last night.
Hmmm…he was nice to McCain too.
Something’s afoot…
Making roads out of the dead officers bones didn’t make “the ones you talked to” mad?
You’ve talked to some tough hombre’s.
I’d like the Center for Public Integrity to do a study, who’s used 9/11 the most, bush before the war; or Rudy in the campaign!
You 5-0 Nathan?
My brothers’ Father-in-Law is retired NYFD.
Pleefer,
Nope. I have met several officers from New York City in Quantico, while we were training Marines who were getting ready to deploy to Iraq.
Great guys.
I have a place to stay near the City now whenever I decide to go visit the place.
“Rudy’s done. SO done that Huckabee was nice to him in the debate last night.
Hmmm…he was nice to McCain too.
Something’s afoot…”
Like I’ve been saying – McCain-Huckabee.
Yep, vote for Romney. The prejudices cancel out.
Most of the Democrats acted as cheerleader for the war as well.
No Nathan, about half of them did.
I think you’re right Ben.
I’ve been thinking that too.
And of the con candidates, Huckabee is the only 2nd banana type.
Romney would NEVER go for VP. Neither would Rudy. Ego thing.
And a McCain/Huckabee ticket keeps Romney from buying the nomination AND presents the only faint hope the cons can have against any of the Dems.
Depending on Florida, Huckabee probably ties up with McCain before super Tuesday.
Pleefer, if that’s the case you should know it’s FDNY, not NYFD.
Democrats did not cheerlead Bush’s war. They simply stupidly gave him discretionary power that he subsequently abused. The NYTimes, however, trumpeted how we should invade. They were right out there with Rush, O’Reilly, etc.
As a Democrat and a liberal I am glad to see the Republicans finally coming to sanity and voting for John McCain. Of all the Republican candidates, he is the best of the pick because he will work with Democrats on meanningful change including getting immigration fixed. If McCain is the nominee- and I think he will be- that will mark the end of the neo cons running the Republican Party and it will return to the party of Eisenhower, Ford and Bush I- and not the neo con nutcases, not the religious nutcases, not the gay bashers, not the racist and not the Mexican haters.
The god of the liberals has finally spoken!
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Ben
Posted January 25, 2008 at 4:01 pm | Permalink
Democrats did not cheerlead Bush’s war. They simply stupidly gave him discretionary power that he subsequently abused. The NYTimes, however, trumpeted how we should invade. They were right out there with Rush, O’Reilly, etc.
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Is that the same as saying I “voted for it before I voted against it?” :D
Well thanks there Kev ol buddy. I was wondering who I was.
Here I thought I was an American who wanted my borders secure and the laws of my country enforced. Silly me, didn’t know that made me a mexican hater. Thanks for the heads up.
So I’m guessing that the police who enforce laws are
white
black
latino
asian
indian
etc.
HATERS?
We should do something about that, how dare those hateful people enforce the laws.
Oh and Kev can you please advise me of the laws I can violate that would be okay with you, other than those protecting the soveighnty of this nation?
Ben,
I think Romney will win the Republican Nomination. Romney will, most likely, win in Florida, that will put him in great shape for “Super Tuesday”.
I think that Hillary will win the Democrat Nomination, based primarly on the “White backlash” in the Democrat Party, after Obama wins in South Carolina.
I think that Black turnout will be harmed, in the General.
I also think that there are as many people who would “never” vote for Hillary as there are who would “never” vote for a Mormon.
This will be another 50/50 year.
The polls are worthless, this far ahead of November.
By the way, I don’t think the New York Times ever said much of anything negative about any of the liberal New York Mayors, prior to Rudy?
Crime was sky high, prior to Rudy. New York was falling apart, due to policies and people that the New York times supported.
The New York Times is a petty liberal rag. It is also, frequently, inaccurate.
John McCain has the endorsement of:
The New York times
And
Bill Clinton
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/25/bill-clinton-john-mccain-and-hillary-are-very-close/
Need I say more?
VOTE ROMNEY!
Romney is nothing but a Ken Doll with less masculinity. Most likely, he has a string to pull down his back, prompting him to parrot some campaign slogan and to use the right words to pander to the Right.
Should he get the GOP nomination, look for him to slant hard to the Left in the General, pandering to the center.
And if Romney was serious about the US being free from dependence on foreign oil, he could just wash his hair out.
There’s enough oil in his hair style to power Kansas for a month.
Romney? Not electable.
Americans are not ready to sell the Presidency to the highest bidding corporate raider.
Yet.
And Romney has …other problems. Like the fact that 44% of Americans polled say that his poorly understood Mormon faith makes him unable to bring Americans together.
A further explore? More than 90% of Mormons who have voted in primary elections have voted Romney.
Now, I can’t say for sure. But I doubt that Barack Obama has received 90% of the black vote in any primary. I KNOW Senator Clinton has not gotten 90% of the womens vote in any primary either.
There is something unusual at work here. How is it 90% of those who share nothing with Romney but a common faith vote for him?
This should be explored.
Sadly JR it does seem that the general electorate do not base their decision on the issues or the Candidates stance on those issues. As much as their perception of the Candidate, Romney is very much so the Hollywood Candidate, therefore appealing to the general population. He will not be seen as a corporate raider, but the best groomed and well spoken of the Candidates. Ken dolls have their appeal after all ( Not for me, OH crap that does not sound good does it? I am a Barbie man all the way! OH never mind…). I hope that we as a people and as voters have woken up and are listening. But as of yet we are still pretty shallow and Romney for his faults on the issues is still the easiest to look at ( No that I spend much time looking at Ken dolls. Oh but did you hear that Lorena Bobbet tried using the “Barbie defense” during her trial for cutting John Wayne Bobbet where it hurts? Yeah she said her Barbie told her to do it, Barbie said “I did it to Ken you do it to John…. I did it to Ken you do it to John!” ).
Probably Giuliani is glad to see that far left newspaper endorse someone else.
Perhaps… maybe it had something to do with faulty firefighters radios and this…
Memo Details Objections to Command Center Site
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
Published: January 26, 2008
The New York Police Department produced a detailed analysis in 1998 opposing plans by the city to locate its emergency command center at the World Trade Center, but the Giuliani administration overrode those objections. The command center later collapsed from damage in the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.
“Seven World Trade Center is a poor choice for the site of a crucial command center for the top leadership of the City of New York,” a panel of police experts, which was aided by the Secret Service, concluded in a confidential Police Department memorandum.
The memorandum, which has not been previously disclosed, cited a number of “significant points of vulnerability.” Those included: the building’s public access, the center’s location on the 23rd floor, a 1,200-gallon diesel fuel supply for its generator, a large garage and delivery bays, the building’s history as a terrorist target, and its placement above and adjacent to a Consolidated Edison substation that provided much of the power for Lower Manhattan.
Rudolph W. Giuliani, the mayor then, has acknowledged some police skepticism about the site, but he has described it as resulting from a jurisdictional dispute between police officials and his emergency management director, who had played a role in selecting the site.
The eight-page memo reveals that police officials asked a variety of in-house experts in various disciplines and an outside expert to prepare a detailed analysis of the site’s vulnerabilities.
The decision to put the command center in the trade center has been a continuing source of discomfort for Mr. Giuliani, whose expertise and preparedness as a leader in a time of crisis has been the chief element in his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.
The site was completed in the summer of 1999 and was destroyed when the 47-story building at 7 World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11 after a fire there burned for much of the day.
“This group’s finding is that the security of the proposed O.E.M. Command Center cannot be reasonably guaranteed,” the commander of the intelligence division, Daniel J. Oates, wrote in the July 15, 1998, memo to the police commissioner.
The memo said the conclusions were based on analysis by police officials with expertise in infrastructure, building security, explosives, traffic and ventilation systems, who also consulted the Secret Service, including the agency’s New York special agent in charge, Chip Smith.
“Mr. Smith agrees with this assessment,” the memo says in its concluding paragraph, “even though his own office is in Seven World Trade Center. He acknowledges that the security of his office is a continuing concern because of the public nature of the building and the other reasons specified in this report.”
The memorandum was provided to The New York Times by a law enforcement official not affiliated with a rival political campaign.
Mr. Giuliani received a briefing on the Police Department’s recommendations, but it is unclear whether he received a copy of the memorandum.
Mr. Giuliani has said in the past that one of the reasons for choosing the location was that several federal agencies with which city officials needed to be in contact during emergencies, including the Secret Service, had their offices there. Other federal agencies in the building included the Defense Department and the C.I.A.
But the Police Department took the opposite position in the memo, saying the presence of those agencies made the building a more likely target.
Mr. Giuliani’s campaign declined on Friday to answer questions about the memo. But Maria Comella, a campaign spokeswoman, said the Giuliani administration had considered 50 different sites and examined a variety of factors before selecting the trade center.
“This is one memo out of a variety of memos that were presented,” she said.
Two years ago, in their book, “Grand Illusion,” Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins described the vehement objections to the choice raised by Police Commissioner Howard Safir and Chief of Department Louis R. Anemone. The memo from the Intelligence Division lays out what appears to have been the foundation for their arguments against the location.
Mr. Safir, who now operates a private security company and has supported Mr. Giuliani’s candidacy, did not a return a call seeking comment.
In response to questions about the site selection, Mr. Giuliani has typically said he relied on his emergency management director, Jerome M. Hauer, to find the best site and suggested he had little role in the process.
Mr. Hauer, however, has publicly disputed Mr. Giuliani’s assertion, saying that although he helped pick the site, he did so only after mayoral aides had told him the command center had to be within walking distance of City Hall. He has said he originally recommended a site in Brooklyn.
Mr. Hauer left the Giuliani administration in 2000 and worked as a consultant and served in the Department of Health and Human Services in the Bush administration. He later became a vocal critic of the former mayor. Mr. Hauer, however, has also praised Mr. Giuliani’s overall effort at emergency preparedness, a record that the Giuliani campaign went to some lengths to underscore on Friday.
Before Mr. Hauer left the Giuliani administration, great enmity existed between him and Mr. Safir. Mr. Safir’s critics have contended that he sought to limit the power and scope of the Office of Emergency Management once he became police commissioner in 1996. Mr. Giuliani created the office in 1996, and Mr. Hauer was its first director.
The memorandum sets out in detail the reasons why the Police Department concluded that the site was a poor choice for a command center, including its vulnerability to a biological attack and the ease with which a bomber could have damaged the building and crippled the center.
It has nine sections, the longest one headed “Explosives.” It describes a blast analysis conducted by the Police Department’s bomb squad, aided by the Secret Service, which looked at the likely impact of bombs of varying sizes, from one that could be carried in a car or a van to a large truck bomb.
The analysis, a standard practice used routinely to determine street closings when the president or another dignitary is in New York City, uses a computer system derived from the military and based on projections by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
It concluded that the largest of such bombs would have led to the collapse of the building.
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