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He knows how to make money and IF he got to be President, he’d still know how to make himself some money. He’d have the power to try and gear legislation towards himself and HIS cronies. Just like our old pal Bushco.

“Too bad the former Massachusetts governor and venture capitalist didn’t focus on the economy from the start; he wouldn’t be viewed as such a flip-flopper.”

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Sigh… Phillip, what does changing campaign focus have to do with being viewed as a flip flopper? Nothing.

There reasons that Romney is accused of flip flopping, but changing focus with current events is not one of them. As far as I am concerned, it is current positions that matter most.

For instance, I used be a Democrat when I was a young adult. Reagan helped change that. Romney hasn’t changed back and forth. His change in position on abortion appears to be a legitimate evolution in his views.

With his executive experience, business sense, and governing experience, Romney is more qualified on economic issues than anyone in the race.

And being personally successful, Romney can’t be bought.

With his executive experience, business sense, and governing experience, Romney is more qualified on economic issues than anyone in the race.
And being personally successful, Romney can’t be bought

On that we will differ my friend, My candidate could well teach your candidate a thing or two on economic and Financial structure. While yours may see a future in failure, my see a future in strong growth and a stable dollar. But then you might have already known all this…

“And being personally successful, Romney can’t be bought.”

No, Romney just wants to buy the Presidency.

I really hope America is not that far gone.

Anyone who wants the power so bad like he does and Clinton, McCain, etc…You have to watch out.

So, what did he do, buy companies, cut the work force and outsource the jobs? Seems like that is the status quo for corporate ‘turn around’ experts.

Does anyone have any information on the “flip-flopper” snide remark?

I’d like to see some of the items he has flipped flopped on, and links. That would put him right up there next to Hillary, but I didn’t see the newspaper take a poke at her.

It is interesting to see how many of you see yourselves as small peasants, peon lowly workers slaving away (someone said to death – haha) in life. It is very typical for unskilled and low wage workers to look at the rich and successful business leaders in such sorry light. Of course, country bumpkins cannot fathom the great contribution these leaders have made to our nation. How important they are to it’s every success.

AmWay – not an expert here but as I recall he took many ‘moderate’ positions as governor and has veered ‘right’ in his presidential run; mostly on ’social issues.’ In many ways he is running into a common problem – a candidate must veer to the left or right (depending on which party) to get the nomination but then back toward the center for the general election.

Of course, country bumpkins cannot fathom the great contribution these leaders have made to our nation.

Kinda like how Econ posts 24/7? Personally, i can’t see how he can spend so much time weeding through all the sites he posts, get no sleep, and still find time to warrant the salary he insists he deserves. Unless there’s 3 or more of him using that nick.

Tell me AmWay, how are my ‘energy-wasting ways’ responsible for overcapacity in the slaughter industry? And BTW – I’m not a big fan of corn/ethanol either – I tend to like cellosic.

Those supporting enthanol, which costs more to produce, sucks up water, and produces a product which is less efficient that regular unleaded – are actually promoting energy “wasting”. Further, the increase bushel price for corn is great for farmers (maybe time to end their subsidies), but the entire food industry has higher production costs.

Those seeking greener energy, have latched onto a loser with ethanol.

ghotiphaze was probably thinking you worked seven days a week econ101. You did post late on the weekend, but I would expect that you have Saturday and Sunday off. :)

Actually, I do work 7 days a week, but I do not work all day!

Amway, on the flip-flop accusation, his views on abortion and gay rights were different when he was attempting to please the voters of Massachusetts then they are now when he wants to appease the politically powerful religious right.

He also was “caught” in a statement about having “seen” his father march with Martin Luther King. That one came down to a depends on what is is defense.

He seems willing to be what the voters he is speaking to at the moment want him to be. And it all comes off inconsistent.

I won’t add links as I’m not sure which ones you would credible but a bit of “the google” would offer many choices of more in-depth coverage on his flip-flops.

To me, he seems like the average politician. No better, no worse.

AmWay–

What do you care if 1500 workers lose their jobs in Emporia?

Do you hate the free market? Are you a socialist?

You CONs whine and moan about workers’ rights, and then you whine and moan about workers’ losing their rights, if you can score points.

And finally, none of the libs on this blog are big fans of ethanol, for the very reasons you cite.

So don’t confuse environmentalists with backers of the ethanol boondoogle.

Good post, Socrates.

But you forget, to true CONs, forcing companies into bankruptcy and forcing their former employees into the street is good business.

That’s the “creative destruction” that is the essence of capitalism.

Anything less than that, and you get “a lazy working class” in the words of Mr. Potter from It’s a Wonderful Life.

AmWay – there are many of us on the ‘green’ side who have NOT jumped on the ethanol bandwagon. We have rasied the same issues you now raise.

It seems to me the biggest booster of E85 is the domestic automobilr/SUV industry. That was they can pretend to be environmentally conscious.

George Bailey to Potter: Just a minute – just a minute. Now, hold on, Mr. Potter. You’re right when you say my father was no businessman. I know that. Why he ever started this cheap, penny-ante Building and Loan, I’ll never know. But neither you nor anyone else can say anything against his character, because his whole life was – why, in the twenty-five years since he and Uncle Billy started this thing, he never once thought of himself. Isn’t that right, Uncle Billy? He didn’t save enough money to send Harry to school, let alone me. But he did help a few people get out of your slums, Mr. Potter, and what’s wrong with that? Why – here, you’re all businessmen here. Doesn’t it make them better citizens? Doesn’t it make them better customers? You – you said – what’d you say a minute ago? They had to wait and save their money before they even ought to think of a decent home. Wait? Wait for what? Until their children grow up and leave them? Until they’re so old and broken down that they… Do you know how long it takes a working man to save five thousand dollars? Just remember this, Mr. Potter, that this rabble you’re talking about… they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community. Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath? Anyway, my father didn’t think so. People were human beings to him. But to you, a warped, frustrated old man, they’re cattle. Well, in my book he died a much richer man than you’ll ever be.

But no, I will be labeled a tree hugging, pot smoking, hippie because I promote hemp to solve problems. The talking heads do a good job of slandering progress. Speaks volumes of how easy it is to brainwash a country into thinking hemp and tree huggers, are stupid evil mindless socialist commies who are out to destroy America.

Heehee, they’ve got a “LEXUS” ad popping up in the right top corner.

Guess they don’t know their WEBlog crowd very well . . .

Hemp is an extremely useful plant, WhiteE.

It’s a crime that the US gov’t has outlawed it. It’s a clear case of gov’t regulation used to maintain status-quo business interests.

Try to get hemp reform past the powerful logging interests . . .

If Ron Paul’s name shows up on my ballot, I’ll be penciling him in. (well not paper anymore, but same point.)

The Republican field will dwindle down to Romney and Paul. Huckabee is broke, McCain won’t make it much further. Ron Paul will easily gain more support than Romney. The media polls don’t matter, smearing Ron Paul as a kook, and keeping him off the airwaves should have been enough of a warning to you guys that he is a threat against the status quo which the media loves. Ron Pauls campaign is buoyed by American citizens, not media polls. It should speak volumes that Ron Paul is surviving by a grass roots effort, people work for his campaign for free, while Romney asked some of his people to take a pay cut who run his campaign and they wouldn’t do it. Can you see where the loyalty and honesty is. Can you see there are people willing to work for free for Ron Paul, and none of the other candidates.

What a great movie ya’ll are citing. try Mr. Smith goes to Washington, not unlike Mr Ron Paul.

Corn:

The only food you can enjoy twice.

Also,
Shorthand explanation:

We do not have many “building and loan” or “savings and loan” type lenders, anymore.

The interest rate swings and the S & L failures, back in John McCain (Keating 5) and Hillary Clinton (Madison Guarntee Savings and Loan) days, pretty much got rid of the local lenders.

I actually do not believe that the S & L failures, back then, were caused by illegal activity. The market changed. Interest rate curves did not serve them well.

However, the S & L failures DID shine a bright light on mortgage activity. We only heard about the abuses due to the failures. Failures that often were NOT caused, directly, by the abuses.

My point is that too much regulation, as an over reaction to the present environment, might well keep home ownership off limits to the same type of people that George Bailey was trying to help.

Yea, I think the creditors are reckless. There as reckless as the 18 year olds they give a credit card with a 10,000 dollar credit limit to.

You can CHASE your dreams, with a chase credit card, you probably will never catch your dreams though, isn’t that the reward though, life is a journey not a destination. Spend all you want, your gonna croak some day. Yea, die broke so no one will get your money.

sorry, I like spewing propaganda, someone should hire me.

AmWay, flip-flopping is only important on a Liberal Blog like this when the candidate being accused of flip-flopping is Conservative.

Hillary Clinton the Socialist, gets a pass. She can and has flip-flopped like a carp thrown in the hot sun on a river bank in July.

Except the Carp smells better.

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lindainks55
Posted January 28, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

The Capn made a good point way up thread when he said:

“As for Hillary being a “flip-flopper,” she’s not. One has to actually take a position on something before one can repudiate that position.

She never takes any position.’
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Okay, I’ll behave and leave that remark alone. :D

J R
Posted January 28, 2008 at 6:47 am | Permalink
Corporate raider Romney made his fortune “saving” companies.

You know. Swooping in and firing two thirds of the work force and working the remaining workers to death?

If you have in some way enjoyed the last seven years of the the rich getting richer on your backs and at any cost? Willard Romney would be your guy.
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I see JR is almost working himself to death! LOL!

And I’m making so much money off of the work that JR does!

Its our jobs as taxpaying consumers, to spend money so we can keep the economy afloat.
-WhiteElephant

There you have the reason why we need to ditch the income tax. If we axed the income tax, people would have too great of an incentive to NOT buy stuff because the sales tax would be so high. Such a high sales tax would hurt corporations who make and sell the stuff. While the stock market collapses, people will be saving more of their own money.

Getting rid of the income tax seems like the best way to take profits from big business and put it into the pockets of the little guy. Meanwhile, the fat in our ecnonomy gets purged out. Only the companies making stuff we actually really need will survive.

Actually, now that I’ve read on down, I see several arguments as to why hemp is not considered a resource for fuel. Not good arguments, and definitely not arguments for the good of the country, but correct arguments.

“but my wonder is, why is it NOT being used?”

It is against the law, even though it has so little THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) that you would have to smoke pounds of it to get high.

If you smoked hemp, your lungs would give out before you got a buzz.

Looks like BAin cap. and their Chinese partner are looking to acquire 3com. Deal may be blocked on natl. security interest.
Bain, Huawei Seek $1.2 Billion Loans in 3Com Buyout, People Say

By Patricia Kuo

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) — Bain Capital LLC and Huawei Technologies Co., China’s largest maker of equipment for telecommunications networks, hired five banks to arrange $1.2 billion of loans for their proposed buyout of 3Com Corp., said three people with direct knowledge of the deal.

Citigroup Inc., UBS AG, HSBC Holdings Plc, ABN Amro Holding NV and Bank of China (Hong Kong) Ltd. will arrange $800 million of five-year leveraged loans, $750 million of which will be for the takeover and $50 million to boost working capital at Marlborough, Massachusetts-based 3Com, said the people, declining to be identified because the information isn’t public. Citigroup, UBS and HSBC will also underwrite an additional $400 million of short-term loans, they said.

3Com, the unprofitable maker of computer-networking equipment, on Sept. 28 said it agreed to a $2.2 billion takeover by Bain and Huawei. The purchase is expected to be completed by the first quarter of 2008. Shenzhen-based Huawei will buy 16.5 percent of 3Com to become the U.S. company’s second-largest shareholder, Huawei spokesman Ross Gan said on Oct. 1.

Alex Stanton, a New York-based spokesman for Bain, didn’t return phone calls seeking comment. Huawei’s Gan wasn’t available to comment. Buyout firms typically fund about two-thirds of the cost of an acquisition by borrowing against the target company’s assets, a so-called leveraged loan.

Citigroup and UBS are advising Bain on the acquisition, and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. is advising 3Com.

Trumping Buyout Firms

3Com in March completed the acquisition of Huawei’s 49 percent stake in H3C Technologies Co., a joint venture, for $882 million. The company trumped efforts by Bain, Silver Lake Partners and Huawei, who planned to borrow about $1 billion to buy 3Com’s stake, bankers familiar with the situation said last November.

The U.S. will probably probe the purchase of 3Com on national security grounds, the Financial Times said on Sept. 29, citing former government employees.

The U.S. Committee on Foreign Investment looks closely at Chinese transactions involving the government’s information technology, the newspaper said, citing Christopher Simkins, a former Justice Department official. Huawei’s ownership of 3Com would be “really worrisome,” the Financial Times quoted Sami Saydjari, an Internet security expert at the Pentagon, as saying.

To contact the reporter for this story: Patricia Kuo in Hong Kong at pkuo2@bloomberg.net .

Actually, Romney got his education (Harvard MBA and JD simultaneously) paid for by his father, but that was it. His business success is his own.

And when his father died, Romney donated his inheritance to charity.

Mitt Romney can not be trusted. He will say anything and pay anything to win. Just look at the debate, Romney cheated. Do you want someone dishonest and deceptive as our president? Don’t believe me? Look at these 3 videos of the Florida debate and tell me Romney did not cheat. There is no denying it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NlIMQ31EjY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfWDOxZkEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK408oqEyOU

Actually Marijuana was used to make hemp illegal, it was easier to bastardize a recreational drug, than it was to bastardize hemp. A few business big wigs in the 30’s and 40’s in the oil and lumber industry had there profits threatened by the hemp industry, hemp would of wiped out the oil and lumber industry. So Anslinger teamed up with some people and spread the Marijuana propaganda machine using racists and bigoted views to sway people into thinking marijuana was a bigger threat than heroin. They spread fear tactics that only minorities use marijuana and that it turns them into crazed criminals, ready kill, and rape our white women. The War on Drugs actually supports terrorist economies. We keep drugs illegal, letting the criminals control the price on the black market. Keeping drugs illegal, will make a cocaine addict prostitute themselves on the street to support their expensive drug habit, this in turn pumps money into other countries that smuggle drugs into the u.s., then the u.s. taxpayers paying billions of dollars fighting the war on drugs. I’m not arguing that all drugs should be legal, I’m arguing that the War on Drugs and the War on Terrorism and the War on anything is some of the dumbest things this country has done. I don’t see anything wrong with fighting terrorism, and drug addiction, but we’re as a country are pouring oil and a fire, we aren’t solving any problems with declaring war on everything, we’re actually exacerbating the problems. But yea, the only reason marijuana is illegal is because it was used to kill the hemp industry by people who wanted to protect their business interests. I don’t see why the lumber industry didn’t just switch to hemp, I guess a more renewable resource like hemp would bring the prices of certain commodities down. You make the same amount of paper the world needs in one season of hemp harvest compared to a year of tree harvesting, and it takes 40 years for a grove of trees to grow big enough to harvest, when it takes a crop of hemp less than a year.

Pretty slick, invest 18 mil., re-mortgage and pay yourself 120 mil. dividend, declare bankruptcy! Can he do that for the Govt?

“Can he do that for the Govt?”

I think George WMD Bush beat him to it!

But taking a moderate position is not flip-flopping.
I was hoping we had something more. The gays are such a small part of the population, and most states ban gay marriage outright. Most of this happened as a result of Mass stepping forward and allowing them. This, however, is a flip-flop.

The abortion rights issue. I haven’t found two quotes from Romney stating his position each way.
This is a major issue to the religious right, and to the Choice movement. So this one affects many Americans. Still looking, but without a source, regretfully, I cannot call this a flip-flop.

AmWay – what I was referring to is that as a candidate he is now taking ‘tough’ positions on those issues while as Gov he did not. He seems to be veering right away from his record as he tries to get the nomination. Actually this is typical in BOTH parties – especially for a governor.

AmWay – the question would be ‘did he flip-flop’ from an accomodating position to a hard-line position to get votes?’

So can we legalize hemp without legalizing marijuana?

You forgot to prohibit cholesterol, another alcohol. :)

Romney did not, really “flip flop” on gay rights:

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016159.php

“I suspect that much mainstream news analysis is filtered through the false assumption that conservatives generally hate homosexuals. Thus, if a Republican politician is friendly toward gays, appoints gays to office, speaks of protecting their civil rights, etc., this is viewed as somehow at odds with, say, opposition to gay marriage. It isn’t. I think a large majority of conservatives have no ill will toward homosexuals, while at the same time believing that gay marriage would be an unwise social policy.”

Primarily because the majority of the population does not support gay marriage?

If I walk down the street, and notice a gay person being kicked and beaten, I am more than likely to step in and try to stop it, regardless of the personal consequences. I have done as much, in the past.

If a gay person wants to do business with me, I have no problem with that. I do have gay clients.

I am, currently, against gay marriage. That does NOT make me a bigot.

Where do you liberals draw the line? How many Democrat candidates are publicly behind “gay marriage”?

I think that marriage should remain a state issue, with a provision that other states are not required, necessarily, to honor the decisions of of any state that makes gay marriage legal.

There are lots of issues here. Inheritance can be handled by a will, by a trust, by joint tenancy with rights of survivorship.

Public benefits are something else. Social Security and Medicaid are already very tough issues. Do we wish to INCREASE the number of people that qualify for “spousal benefits”? There WILL be an economic cost to gay marriage.

Current law, as far as taxes and benefits are concerned, are designed for a purpose: raising a family.

Again, get Obama and Hillary to publicly support gay marriage before you start asking conservatives to change our minds.

Paul – if a state were to return to legislation that outlawed mixed-race marriage shuold they also be allowed to not recognize such marriages from other states?

“econ101″ on the “bad social policy of gay marriage” –

“…the majority of the population does not support gay marriage.”

So the fundamental “Pro-Life” agenda is, by your accounting, “bad social policy,” too?

“If I walk down the street, and notice a gay person being kicked and beaten, I am more than likely to step in and try to stop it, regardless of the personal consequences. I have done as much, in the past.”

Interesting. Just how did you know the person getting kicked and beaten was gay?

“If a gay person wants to do business with me, I have no problem with that. I do have gay clients.

How do you know? Did you have sex with them?

“I am, currently, against gay marriage. That does NOT make me a bigot.

Yeah, it pretty much does.

“Where do you liberals draw the line? How many Democrat candidates are publicly behind “gay marriage”?

Here’s my personal “line” — two consenting adults should be able to enter into a contractural relationship (commonly called “marriage”) that enjoys the benefits and disadvantages (didn’t you Cons used to gripe about a “marriage PENALTY?! a while back?), regardless of gender.

“I think that marriage should remain a state issue, with a provision that other states are not required, necessarily, to honor the decisions of of any state that makes gay marriage legal.

What you think, “Econ101,” hardly justifies why it is “bad policy,” which was the question at hand. But here’s some “bad policy” for you. A couple gets married in Kansas City, Missouri and moves two blocks into Overland Park, Kansas… and under your implied concept of “good public policies” they lose all the benefits and disadvantages of a marital contract.

So tell us all, “Econ101,” what are the *good* public policy advantages of your propsal?

“There are lots of issues here. Inheritance can be handled by a will, by a trust, by joint tenancy with rights of survivorship.”

…with manifold legal expense and hassle. You can achieve all that with a $20 marriage license.

“Public benefits are something else. Social Security and Medicaid are already very tough issues. Do we wish to INCREASE the number of people that qualify for “spousal benefits”? There WILL be an economic cost to gay marriage.”

Really?! How much?

You pretty much thrive on the fact that you took Econ 101, “Econ101,” so let’s assume for a moment that same-gender marriage is going to be a significant cost to the taxpayer.

Show me the numbers.

You certainly wouldn’t pull such an argument out of thin air without evidence, would you?

“Current law, as far as taxes and benefits are concerned, are designed for a purpose: raising a family.”

So are you ready to deny marriage benefits to couples who choose to be childless? Are you ready for a Constituional amendment to ban post-menopausal marriages?

With all the so-called “pro-life” rhetoric that advocated adoption rather than abortion, seems to me encouraging same-gender marriage (which would greatly increase the number of couples willing and able to raise a family) would be good public policy.

“Again, get Obama and Hillary to publicly support gay marriage before you start asking conservatives to change our minds.”

Hey, I’m not out to change your mind, “Econ 101,” but I’ve revealed how your mind works. You basically got nothin’ except homophobia or religious bigotry. When you specified “bad public policy,” you painted yourself into a corner that you can’t get out of.

Gays should not be denied the right to be unhappily married and then divorced like straight people. They should have the same opportunity to lose half of what they have obtained and to be subject to court orders that demean and destroy them financially.

They should have the same opportunity to be forced to go to court to get out of a relationship.

They need to be able to deal with all the negatives of marriage as well as having the positive benefits of marriage.

And if anyone cannot see the freakin’ sarcasm of my comments, they must be a Republican.

“If I walk down the street, and notice a gay person being kicked and beaten, I am more than likely to step in and try to stop it, regardless of the personal consequences. I have done as much, in the past.”

Interesting. Just how did you know the person getting kicked and beaten was gay?”
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Gay bashing, in the form of going down to Riverside Park, and flashing your headlights, to attract a gay person, used to be rather common.

Then, when the guy left his car, they would make sure his car was locked and throw his keys, and clothes, in the river.

How do I know? They invited me. I told them to stop, and I told a cop. It stopped.

That is only one instance. There was at least one other, but — well, that one is none of your business, sorry.

“That is a different issue entirely.”

How is different? Biracial marriages were illegal in Georgia until 1973.

How is a gay marriage any different?

A black man is born black. A gay man is born gay. A lesbian woman is born lesbian.

Why is race different than orientation?

WS
Marriage does, under the law, make parental rights clear.
What is the NEED for gay marriage?
I am not convinced, or even mildly persuaded, that anything a gay couple might wish to achieve, in their finances or their living arrangements, can not be obtained by:

JTWROS ownership.
Wills
Trusts
POA designations
Living wills

Because I knew.
Funny how a person who supports the “Right to Privacy” would try to force me to “out” someone, online, is it not?

And, I did not “HANG OUT” with the thugs. They tried to “recruit” me, due to my fighting ability, at the time, I assumed. (I am rather out of shape, and old, now, but had been in Tae Kwon Do for years, and was a Marine Reservist, at the time).

Why must you libs turn everything into a personal attack?

Gosh, you get no reward at all, here, for doing the right thing, huh?

Again, when did Hillary come out for gay marriage?

When did Obama come out for gay marriage?

When did Governor Sebelious come out for gay marriage?

Are they all “bigots”???

“There must be a positive reason for any change in the law.”

Why? What is the POSITIVE reason against gay marriage?

There is absolutely no POSITIVE reason to oppose gay marriage.

The only reason to oppose gay marriage is opposition to gays and gay rights.

Period.

Hoo BOY paulthecon is embarrassing himself here!

This one is for the AGES!

“And, I did not “HANG OUT” with the thugs. They tried to “recruit” me, due to my fighting ability, at the time, I assumed. ”

What other sorts of social miscreants are seeking enlistment of your special gifts?

Do you have a cape? Or a hood?

I always figured you for a goon.

Among other things.

I’ve lived in Wichita my entire life. Paul’s little show here is the first I’ve ever heard of such goings on as he posts re: gay people.

He musta went looking for it.

Monkey
Get real.
What have your Democrat leaders done, to advance your “gay marriage” cause?
Nothing.

And, Juvenile, the fact is, the people that I turned into the police kind of remind of —-YOU!

“Gay bashing, in the form of going down to Riverside Park, and flashing your headlights, to attract a gay person, used to be rather common.

Then, when the guy left his car, they would make sure his car was locked and throw his keys, and clothes, in the river.

How do I know? They invited me.”

What a wonderful social circle you must run in paul!

I’ve been some pretty low places. But I’ve NEVER had goons “recruit” me to assault people for kicks.

Got any other deep dark sick stuff about yourself you’d like to share?

I don’t support Obama because he thinks despicable thug biggots like you can be worked with paulie.

I spoke often in his defense until he started calling the ceasefire on people like you.

Thugs like you and the core of your party can NEVER be worked with.

They have to be stomped and stomped hard.

You are helping me prove it.

Thug.

By the way, where do you get off calling anyone a “thug” Juvenile?

You claim that you used to be “prolife” and that you used to shout “babykiller” at women seeking abortions.
I think that is bull, because the vast majority of prolifers would tell you to shut up, if they heard you talk like that.

You claim that you once were a “Republican” and that you wrote “Fritz and Tits call it Quits” on the blackboard, when Reagan won in a landslide.

You claim that you once sprayed someone down with a garden hose, who came to your door with Republican political literature. (You seem to think that person was me. I doubt it. I don’t recall any such incident. Besides, I had a hot temper back then, and there would be some medical bills, for you, that I might have actually had to pay!)

Again, where do you get off calling anyone a “thug” with your, admitted, anti-social behavior and your very bigoted statements, on this Blog?

I performed or assisted in citizens arrests on well over 50 different shoplifters, over a period of 8 years, working at the same grocery store.

Someone saw me in a rather rough fight. I won. That bigot wanted me on “his side” In a rather sick activity — I refused. I went to the cops with what I knew.

Not looking for a pat on the back here, but Monkey demanded to know how I knew.

No rewards for telling the truth, among you libs, I guess.

You’re the guy getting recruited by thugs paul not me.

Must be the company you keep huh?

I oppose Obama only because he wants to work with people like you paul. I have said why we must never do so.

The hose deal?

WAS that you? I’ve always thought it was. Ever since you started posting here.

Let’s catch the people up. So you don’t spin it with your hateful lies?

Republican operative comes up to my house. I thought I recognized the guy from the “Summer of mercy”.

Well anyways he starts in on why I should vote Republican. I’ve forgotten the candidate he was shilling. But the guy (paul?) was emphatic.

So I told him he had til I could get to my water hose to get out of my yard. And he didn’t get too wet getting out of my yard either!

Now that is not beating people up in parks…

But am I bigoted against Republicans?

You bet I am.

Romney saved some businesses through hard work and good business practices. He didn’t go in a “lay people off” as a “evil corporate raider”. That is false. Where did you get that?
In fact he was invited back to the original venture capital company he started at to save it from financial collapse and did it without laying off one employee. He also shut that company down one time when one fo the partner’s daughters turned up missing after a party in New York, flew 30 partners and employees to New York City, coordinated with police and narrowly discovered her withdrawing from drug ovedose, narrowly saving her life. Yeah, he’s a wicked, wicked and evil man!
Second, if money could buy the presidency of this country Ross Perot would have won hands down.
Think people! Don’t just sit around spewing rhetoric that you have heard somewhere – probably on ABC, NPR, or the Wichita Eagle or somewhere else but you can’t seem to remember where exactly it was. Read a book or two and give hard evidence, then perhaps what you think and say will be valid.