“Be prepared that the next things you see will be the gates of hell.†— Mike Huckabee, during Thursday’s GOP debate, in a warning to would-be aggressors against the United States
“I will follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell and I will shoot him with your products.†— John McCain, at a New Hampshire small-arms factory last fall (McCain later said, “I would not shoot him myselfâ€)
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I would shoot him myself, and I’d be happy to do it.
I’d shoot him. Then I’d carry him through the gates of hell, dump him in front of Cerberus, and tell it “Here! Tell your boss I brought him one of his playthings! Rather worse for wear and tear!”
Wow, these Repukes sure are tough talkers.
They’ve had 6 and a half years to do something about it.
Huckabee and the nutters were so willing to attack Iran because of some speedboats armed with machine guns floated near some U.S. warships. Get these guys in office and we’ll have another never ending war on our hands.
Huckabee is LYING.
No one on the right is ever gonna kill bin Laden.
Ya don’t kill the bogeyman.
If you do, you lose the power to terrify the people.
Only way bin Laden dies is if a Dem is President.
Doug,
There is plenty more going on between Iran and American forces in Iraq right now. The speed boat incident was only the latest.
The Iranians are lucky that the Captain of the ship had as cool a head as he did or they would have blown those boats out of the water.
JR,
Do you have any proof that Huckabee is lying?
I didn’t think so.
bush said “dead or alive”
That was 6 years ago.
YOUR side has a vested interest in keeping people scared Nathan.
Good thing it isn’t working anymore.
How can I tell any Republican is lying?
Whenever their rotten lips are moving.
JR,
Do you or the Democrats have some information on the whereabouts of Bin Laden and how Bush and the Republicans are purposefully avoiding his capture or death?
I didn’t think so.
It is really getting sad how partisan you are JR that you can’t even have a reasonable discussion anymore.
Nathan, the extreme radical Libs like JR and his ILK are not on the American side.
They will say, “Oh if I don’t agree with you I’m not American!”
I say, “If you constantly side with Bin Laden, make excuses for Al Queda’s attack on the USA, blame America for their attacks on us, constantly call for retreat in the face of our enemy, offer no other solutions for defending America, then you are NOT on the side of America.”
It’s not only that I disagree with them, it’s what they say and do to attack Americans that earns them the label: Anti-American.
Let’s join “motor city” and the “air capital”!
That would be Mitt Romney and Robert Gates … this makes more sense than any other combination I can think of.
Like hydrogen and oxygen … like Abbott and Costello … like automobiles and airplanes.
I don’t find you to be a reasonable person Nathan. Given some of your posts here. And discussion has degenerated from your end not mine.
We have satellites that can take a picture of a dime on a sidewalk.
That bush has NOT gotten bin Laden given the resources he has to do so PROVES he is actively NOT trying to get bin Laden. Like when he defunded the task force charged with doing so.
Would Hickabee be more diligent? As I say, I doubt it. There is money and power in at least trying to keep people afraid.
Max
From the posts that the Juvenile makes, it seems he would be “prodefense” or “proAmerica” if we let him go to the Veterans Hospitals or to our Military Bases for “free health care”.
The idea that the Juvenile has not EARNED those benefits does not seem to occur to him.
“We have satellites that can take a picture of a dime on a sidewalk.”
Perhaps, but, we do not have the millions of man-hours necessary to monitor every “dime sized” piece of realestate in the entire country, on a 24 hour basis.
The top of OBL’s head is rather difficult to identify, in time to do something about it.
JR,
Simply because we have some pretty great technology doesn’t mean we can find someone in the middle of the Middle East.
Sure we could take a picture of a dime on a sidewalk from space… If we know exactly where that dime is and can focus on it.
If I gave you a dime and told you to hide it in the desert somewhere, do you think that all our technology could then zoom right in on it?
Of course not.
You have proven nothing. Our inability to find or capture Bin Laden doesn’t prove that Bush is not actively trying to get him either.
Once again, you offer nothing of substance here.
All you can do is bring your petty partisan sniping.
In YOUR company I consider that a compliment Nathan.
bush said “dead or alive”
I guess he was PARTLY honest. Bin Laden remains alive. AND at large. Just like bush wants him to be.
When Clinton had a REAL chance to take out OBL, he decided to tell foreign diplomats, who warned OBL, ahead of the strike.
JR,
You still can’t offer anything to the discussion beyond some catchy little phrase.
No evidence. No substance. No reason.
Just pure partisan crap.
bush will leave office (maybe) with the greatest attacker in America’s history still at large.
In this alone, his administration will be forever under suspicion.
And aside from attacking me Nathan?
Just what have you brought to this thread?
Yeah that’s what I thought.
I look forward to you and yours being marginalized for a very long time.
JR,
How am I attacking you today?
I am challenging your calling Huckabee a liar and your claims that Bush is not trying to get Bin Laden.
That is not attacking you JR.
I say, “If you constantly side with Bin Laden, make excuses for Al Queda’s attack on the USA, blame America for their attacks on us, constantly call for retreat in the face of our enemy, offer no other solutions for defending America, then you are NOT on the side of America.”
Well, Max, if I knew anyone like that, I would completely agree with you.
Look up “straw man,” Max.
Rage
The Juvenile thinks we should abolish the current state of Israel, in order to appease the extreme Moslem terrorists.
The Juvenile constantly calls for retreat.
The Juvenile offers no solutions, at all, to the war on terror.
The Juvenile has stated, clearly, that he is ashamed of America and feels no need to support America. (Unless we, maybe, give him some more free benefits of some type.)
Max is right.
We have at least one extremely un-American poster on this Blog.
Paul you are about as patriotic as your personal bottom line. You’d sell America if you could get your hands on the papers.
Oh and yes I am ashamed that folks like you are in charge of our foreign policy and much of our government. And YES a nation SHOULD be worth fighting for before we dare think we send people to die “for” it.
How has past policy and folks like you served the causes of peace and national pride there paulthecon?
I sorta like you though. You make me look good. And if you didn’t post here we would have to create you as THE characature of what is wrong in America.
Paul, I missed JR when called for abolishing Israel. Did he? “Appeasing terrorists” is of course more spin.
In your book, anyone who questions our current empire-driven policies is “calling for retreat.”
There is no “war on terror,” and never has been. The concept doesn’t even make coherent sense, and never has.
It’s impossible to be both ashamed of America and support its enemies. Are you “ashamed” of Al-Qaeda, Paul? Maybe they should do better, huh? Please at least try to keep your rhetoric consistent.
The cheap shot about “benefits” flies in the face of everything JR has ever posted about himself.
I suggest you and Max invest in straw.
Rage
The Juvenile clearly stated that he wants to “relocate” the state of Israel.
Concentration camps, anyone?
The Juvenile clearly stated that he feels no loyalty towards America.
The Juvenile IS un-American.
If you liberals are tired of the “broad brush” label, you will start to call out un-American statements that other people make.
Is it enough, in your book, to simply “hate Bush”?
Are all statements and all actions of those who hate Bush, allowed?
Are all statements and all actions of those who hate Bush, allowed?
Allowed??
Of course! And of those who love Bush as well.
So tell me, Paul, what exactly do you regard as an “un-American” statement? Got a definition?
I take serious exception to those who piss on the Constitution (metaphorically speaking), but I would defend to the death their right to advocate it. Such statements are “allowed.” I’m not required to agree.
The topic question was asked with a rhetorical basis and of course it received rhetorical answers.
Anthropomorphizing a rhetorical concept is to akin in asking what would one do if they were stranded on a desert Island.
That is, it depends on one’s life experiences, mental and physical capabilities, training, education and philosophical viewpoint of life.
Remove any of those factors and the answer differs.
Disagreement with government, government policy, or the President, is NOT UnAmerican. A fact with which the Reich Wing has much trouble.
sugar
Stating, openly, that one has no respect for America is unAmerican.
The Juvenile has done just that, on several threads.
I can’t believe I’m having to argue integrity or any such concept of depth with a soulless shill like paulthecon.
WANTING your country to be better is eminently American. Speaking out when you see your country as wrong is also very American.
And nice jump you made from Israel being in an unfortunate location to concentration camps.
If you haven’t guessed by now, let’s be honest with each other. YOU see me as unAmerican because I disagree with you.
Let me reassure you. I see you as one of the worst Americans and human beings it has been my misfortune to encounter. Put everything that is wrong in a package and that package is you.
Now distance yourself from things with depth like “patriotism” or loyalty. You know nothing of these things as they are not commodoties to buy and sell.
Shill
Putting land mines on the border to kill Mexicans is also unAmerican.
Attacking a candidate, due to that candidate’s religion, is also un-American.
“Be prepared that the next things you see will be the gates of hell.” — Mike Huckabee,
“I will follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell and I will shoot him with your products.” — John McCain
“I am afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures and engraving them in the heart of the youth.”- Martin Luther
“Hateful to me as are the gates of hell, Is he who, hiding one thing in his heart, Utters another.” – Homer
“The gates of Hell are open night and day; smooth the descent, and easy is the way: but, to return, and view the cheerful skies; in this, the task and mighty labor lies.”- Virgil
“Gates of Hell” sounds really cool – outlander
And calling fellow Americans traitors because they disagree with the president is also un-American.
“Gates of Hell” sounds really cool – outlander
Need more? Who’s cooler than Tom Petty?
“Well I won’t back down, no I won’t back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won’t back down.”
There are many fine Americans who disagree with the President in a very patriotic way.
And then — there are others —
Protecting the wage and working conditions of Americans is very American. AS is having a clear and well defined border.
Exploiting desperate people for fun and profit is American but not something we should be proud of.
Being informed about the intricacies and core beliefs of Presidential candidates is something not common but certainly to be hoped for.
Maintaining separation of church and state is very American and part of the reason the nation even exists.
And basing even your deepest beliefs on greed and selfishness is very American but not very defensible.
“There are many fine Americans who disagree with the President in a very patriotic way.”
Then why do people like Duke “Eight Years” Cunningham, Ann “the Man” Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush “Hillbilly Heroin” Limbaugh accuse those of us who were against the war from the beginning of being traitors?
More importantly, why aren’t the rest of the right wingers denouncing those folks?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????????????????
You can stand me up at the Gates of Hell, but you can’t tell me what’s American or un-American!!!!!
I’ll tell you.
I’m not surprised by the tactic.
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”
Samuel Johnson
Calling someone un American is intellectually weak and presumes that the pronouncer has some claim to title as a “real” or “better” American.
If paulthecon is so gifted he sure has never demonstrated it here.
It also does not work as an insult if you don’t have any respect for the person making the charge.
Done.
It ALSO shows the depth of the person making the charge. Rhetorically it is not much different than “If you don’t like it here why don’t you get out!” or “Why don’t you just move to Russia!”
Or other such….juvenile verbal spewage.
Right, “outlander” –
*You* get to decide what is “un-American.”
What incredible arrogance on your part.
MonkeyHawk = humor impaired liberal.
I THINK outlander was trying to make a point about how calling someone un American is subjective to the person making the call.
I THINK.
outlander is not known for such a literally arrogant pronouncement.
Either way I’m un American because paulthecon says so.
Just like the truth is what paulthecon says it is.
lame. shallow.shrill
vintage paul.
If you have to explain the joke, “outlander,” it wasn’t funny.
Possible Monkeyhawk. Or maybe you are humor impaired.
“Humor impaired?” “outlander” –
Perhaps I am.
Let’s test it: Try posting something, y’know, *humorous.*
Did you hear about the new restaurant on the moon?
Great food, but no atmosphere.
Yeah, “outlaner” –
That was a big laugher for Henny Youngman in 1969.
Isn’t bin laden gay? Dosen’t he sodomize goats or somthing?
The Juvenile is unAmerican.
It is un-American to attack a political candidate based on that candidate’s religion.
The Juvenile says he is “just curious” — but he is obviously lying, on this point.
The Mormons would take him in, and teach him everything he wants to know, in a heart beat, if he was really that interested.
That, and the internet is full of information, both pro and con, true and suspect.
Yes, the Juvenile is un-American.
It is un-American to call for the complete destruction of another country, simply to appease our enemy. The Juvenile wants to eliminate the State of Israel.
It is un-American to attack the religion of a political candidate. The Juvenile constantly attacks Mitt Romney based on the junvenile’s religious bigotry.
It is un-American to support radical ideas like placing explosive land mines on the Mexican border to kill Mexicans.
The junvenile is a Xenophobic, racist bigot.
And yes, that is un American.
And, Democrats, the Juvenile may or may not belong to you. He seems to switch parties with each passing mood swing.
And, as I posted on another thread:
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“Econ101
Posted January 13, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
By the way, bigot:
I believe that Raj Goyle, the candidate who beat my friend, Bonnie Huy, is of a minority religious belief. He lists no religion at all in his biography, as is his right. However, he most surely does have some Hindu roots, as Hindu oriented organizations have offered him great, national support.
Never once did I, or anyone else, attack Raj Goyle on his faith, though I was very committed to his opponent.
http://newsinitiative.org/story/2007/07/20/minorities_representing_majorities
If Goyle is not a Hindu, he has done nothing to convince the voters of that.
My point, however, is that those of us on the “right” behaved with dignity and honor on this matter.
Furhtermore, the Democrat Leader of the US Senate is a Mormon. I know of no Republican attack against Harry Reid based on his faith.
As I indicate shill, I am less than interested in your assessment of me. I consider you one rung below pond scum. And your opinion of me could not POSSIBLY be less than mine of you.
But you do NOT get to lie about me.
I have never advocated for the complete destruction of any country. I have NOT called for the elimination of the state of Israel.
I HAVE said and do again that Israel is a liability to the United States and complicit in its own difficulties by location. I HAVE said and do again that I do not believe our foreign policy should be driven by the fact that a particular group of people claim they have a god given lease on a particular spot of land. That assessment is born out by more than 50 years of history in blood and terror. It is not racist or prejudice to state the truth.
Unamerican to attack the faith of a candidate?
How about if that candidate attacked people who do not share his faith. Would that be un American too? Willard Romney said their could be no freedom without faith. Whose faith? HIS? I think I’d like to understand it better before we go further.
And is it an attack to expose information? Is it unAmerican to share things you learn that others might not know?
Write us some more rules on just who does and does not qualify for the paulthecon badge of patriotism! Save the lies. I will ram each and every one right back down your throat. Shill.
And since I’ve got you in full melt down mood.
Is it American to allow the continued exploitation of the desperate people of Mexico.
I bet for you it is there paulthecon. Fattens the bottom line the cheap labor don’t it? That is why people like you do not WANT the issue addressed.
For the record, I have also said full and total amnesty would be a way to stop the sublimation of the wait for it….AMERICAN wages and work standards.
Juvenile
The only thing that gets rammed, recently, on this Blog, is YOUR foot down YOUR mouth!
You absolutely did say that the state of Israel should be moved. You said it. If you want to change your mind, or apoligize for that prior position, you are free to do so. However, you DID advocate the destruction of the current state of Israel, your stupid Euphemisms do not veil your racist intent. It is not possible to “move” Israel to a new location. It would no longer be Israel! And, much bloodshed would result in any such attempt.
You do not even deny the fact that you wanted to blow up Mexicans with land mines.
You persist in attacking Mitt Romney’s religion.
You are a bigot.
Bigotry is un-American.
Juvenile
You really ARE pathetic if illegal aliens can do the same work that you say you know how to do.
I am sure that the average illegal alien has a MUCH better attitude than you. It is your horrible, hateful attitude that keeps you in poverty.
I support closing the borders for national security reasons. We have a labor shortage in this country. Fred Thompson is right on this issue, we need “High walls and wide gates” — we need to let lots of people in, the legal way.
Blowing up illegal aliens with land mines? Well, I wish that was your craziest idea, but it isn’t.
You are a liar. That is very American. It is also seen by most as evidence of little credibility in anything else you might say.
Yup I said there was nothing wrong in talking about moving the state of Israel. It’s quite the jump you make to use words like “destruction” And I have not changed my position since I did not take one. I said that the location of Israel would be better in just about ANY place than where it is. The facts bare that out.
Euphemisms? Is that a country or something that you capitalize? Is that where you are really from? I got a few euphemisms for you. They are not fit for printing here.
Despicable liar.
“You really ARE pathetic if illegal aliens can do the same work that you say you know how to do.”
Ya know? What is really fun is when you attack a very large group of people as just me.
I wonder how many people you just assaulted?
And you are STILL lying.
I am not the only poster who has no problem with mining the border.
I AM the ONLY poster who qualified that by saying that ample notification should be given the nation of Mexico first. I am also the only poster who could just as easily embrace amnesty. Though I think it not productive, it WOULD lessen the exploitation of illegals and the sublimation of American workers.
If there is a mad bomber about it is you. It seems I have driven you close to the edge again. GO with it. Get creative with the lies. Prove all those people who told you you couldn’t write wrong!
Huh?
I know how to do many things.
Nobody ever told me that I did not know how to write.
Many tell me that they do not like what I write.
Those people are called: “Liberals”
I have never lied on this Blog.
You are a bigot.
That, unfortunately, is the truth.
Ya know you are right.
I am a bigot. I hate you paulthecon. And doing so makes me feel GOOD.
“I have never lied on this Blog.”
Uh huh I don’t know which number THAT one was. I stopped keeping track. Your reputation here is made and well earned.
Speak for yourself, and only for yourself.
Nobody agrees with you.
Your tendancy to be grandiose, and claim majority support for your radical viewpoint, is part of your personality disorder.
And you get awfully defensive about your boy Romney…
Hmmm I wonder why?
Nobody agrees with me on EVERYTHING paul.
No one BELIEVES you about anything.
I always defend people from Bigots.
That is who I am.
Oh now he’s a doctor too!
I have a personality disorder?
YOU probably sleep with a picture of george bush! Physician heal thyself!
Not much on defending the Mexican people from their misery are ya? Money in that.
Heh NOW who is “grandiose”! He’s a doctor AND a champion for beleagured Presidential candidates! Get the man a cape!
Is there money in blowing up Mexicans on the border, like you want to do? Bigot.
There’s a considerable CHANGE in money with total amnesty.
But you don’t want that do you. You are selective in solving problems. Always that eye on the bottom line.
And, you IGNORE the “bottom line” because YOU, as a typical liberal, want to stick someone ELSE with the bill!
Oh and blowing YOU up is all the vicarious destruction I ask.
Verbally that is. You don’t get to lie and say I threatened you. How long would you like to keep embarrassing yourself?
heh you are SUCH a cliche. (look it up)
You are THE characature of why your party is going into irrellevance for the rest of our lives!
Go all caps with all the words paulthecon. Really vent this time.
Daddy needs a new bookmark.
Ah, Juvenile, could you stick to the thread, or at least, all the various issues that have already popped up, on this thread?
You DID threaten me, by sending me emails, which I have proven on several occassions.
You told me to quit posting.
You demanded to know who was “paying me” to post.
You demanded to know where I live.
You told me that I would not “last long”
You are a bully and an ass.
You get away with it because most people assume you are crazy and don’t want to mess with you.
Try to stick to the issues and stay away from the personal stuff.
Grow up and learn how to contribute.
I stand by everything I have ever said to or about you paul.
I’d even stand by some of the stuff you SAY I said to or about you.
And I will stake my credibility here against yours any day of the week.
You are a depth less, boring, one dimensional,
shill.
And I am off to learn more about the slightly deeeper Willard Romney. He merits the attention. You don’t.
“You are a bully and an ass.”
And you are a lying crybaby.
I’m off to learn more about your candidate of choice.
I feel kinda sorry for Willard.
YOU are an example of his backers?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are also studying the religion of Harry Reid, the Democrat leader of the U.S. Senate. He is also a Mormon.
I have never lied on this Blog.
I have certainly never lied about you.
You have sent threatening emails to me and you have demanded that I quit posting.
That was more than a year ago, the first time you threatened me.
I guess, by now, you can see how “terrified” I am of you.
Bigot.
Dang guy I gave you a chance to quit.
Did I mention religion? Uh no.
Now talk to yourself I have better (anything) to do.
I have never lied on this Blog.
I have certainly never lied about you.
And there’s two more!
One of the better contemporary histories of the people called “Mormon” is written by The Rev. “Dr” Wesley P. Walters, formerly of Southern Illinois (I think retired now). His book(s) are probably available in a Google search.
For the record, I dont much like the business practices of Sen. Harry Reid, NV, much more than I do Mitt Romney. The entire history of the Mormons is quite questionable in much of their history. However, they do seem to have a high priority on family (their version of family) and on outreach to needy people.
Do I want Mormon for a President?? I honestly dont know. I think I would prefer a Mormon to, say, a Moonie, or a Scientologist. But I am not sure what a candidate’s religion has to do with the Presidency, UNLESS that candidate wants to bltntly turn the nation into a theocracy.
Of course the Republicans ought to be real experts on Hell and what the gates of Hell look like since the vast majority of them have or will pass through those gates!
Dante writes in his Inferno that some powerful people were so evil that their souls went immediately to hell while their bodies continued to live on earth possessed by demons.
That would explain Bush and Cheney, wouldn’t it?
While I am not religious…
The last seems a fitting description for paulthecon as well.
LOL — interesting theory CapN… LOL
Some late-night thoughts.
Mining the border was a crazy, inhumane idea, but also quite uncharacteristic of JR, and an idea he has since (thankfully) abandoned.
To me, religious bigotry is when one’s religion (or lack thereof) becomes the basis for judging the person. It was perfectly legitimate (if ridiculous, by today’s standards) to ask John Kennedy if the Pope would be the running the U.S. as a proxy dictator (after all, the man’s infallible). Kennedy addressed that question.
To the extent that Romney would use his faith to determine secular public policy, such questions are also fair game. The same goes for the Huckster, and others.
Paul, I’ll admit sometimes JR’s attacks get a little old. I find you more amusing then threatening, even if you occasionally succeed in disgusting me.
But, hey, this is an awesome declaration!:
I always defend people from Bigots.
That is who I am.
Okay, Paul. Thanks much for the egalitarian sentiment! Would you be willing, say, to defend atheists from bigots who say that they can’t be trusted to hold elective office, merely becuase they are atheists?
P.S. Outie, I got your humor.
Monkeyhawk, Outie’s comments were simply snarky little jokes and–surprisingly–on topic! More so than where the thread had gone. . .
You may have already realized that by now, but I thought it merited mentioning. Sometimes we all need to lighten up a bit! (yeah, that means me too!. .) :)
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