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ABSOLUTELY! Nixon’s actions damaged our country but only to a limited degree. Bush’s un-needed war based on ‘disinformation’ (just where are those pesky WMDs anyway?) is MUCH more damaging.

Add to that the administration saying they don’t have to obey laws just by issuing ’signing statements’ …

That said, it will never happen. The Dems in Congress just don’t have the stomach for the fight.

Nixon’s goons bugged an office and he got impeachment charges. Bush and his goons spied on an entire nation. Then again we have an illegal occupation of Iraq which the Bush administration willingly provided false evidence to Congress in order to justify an invasion. His administration used torture on thousands of people including Canadian, Australian and American citizens. He has engaged in war profiteering. He has used illegal chemical weapons in Iraq. He has used signing statements to disregard laws despite the Supreme Court saying it’s unconstitutional. His administration has participated in voter suppression in the 2000 and 2004 elections. And much, much more.

The best part of that, Ben, is that KU was not relying on this 57 year old for any performance on the field of play. :-)

Impeaching Shrub gets you nowhere. Worse than nowhere, actually, because it’d mean President Cheney. Impeaching both Cheney and Bush, especially during their lame duck year and with both parties’ presidential nominees likely chosen by early spring… seems to me to be an exercise in futility. (Not that Congress is unfamiliar with futility; rather, I’d prefer they work on other more pressing issues.)

Impeachment? Impeach Bush? HO-HO,
HA-HA, HEHE-HEHE!!!!

Desperate measures, in desperate times, by desperate people.

Sorry tiny blue population in Wichita, your
fairy tale dream will not come true.

But keep posting: You are making me laugh!!

HAHA HEHE HOHO!

So all I have to do is click my heals together and repeat, “Impeach Bush” “Impeach Bush”, “Impeach Bush”?

HEHE HAHA OOOOOOOOOH HO!

Please stop. my sides are hurting!

Big Chief/Dorothy troll – do you actually disagree that Bush’s actions while in office justify impeachment?

Impeachment would be an exercise in futility, the Repubs. have shown they will hold ranks behind their buffoon in chief. The Senate can’t even get enough breakaway Repubs. to override the constant veto of the chimp.

RE: My post of 1:25. The answer to both questions is a RESOUNDING YES!

Impeach Congress. All the bad things start in the US Congress.

Ever read the book “IT” by Stephen King?

Congress is the clown at the bottom of the sewer.

Impeach Congress! Impeach Congress!

I am not surprised at the big chief’s failure to answer the question directly – Do you disagree that Bush’s actions while in officedeserve impeachment?

As usual, when the Republican trolls are faced with facts and reality they squirm, whine and complain. When faced with Bush’s crimes against humanity and violations of the Constitution they complain about things like John Edwards getting a haircut.

Can we expect anything less from the party who happily changes ethics laws when one of their own violates those ethics laws? Republicans only go into public office to enrich themselves and their friends, not to actually do the job they apply for.

No I could be like you Brian,
just type the word Y-E-S.

Like that proves or means anything.

Come on! Show us you are not the scarecrow
on the Wizard of Oz.

Post your articles of impeachment.

You got nothing.

Is impeachment case stronger against Bush than Nixon?

Phillip,

Perhaps if you actually posted something more than a commentary which basically recites verbatim the same crap the BDS inflicted among us delusionaly believe there could be a real discussion on the question.

Instead you post the same crap which the left has been trying to claim in vain for the past several years.

Typical Editor tactics. Feed the crazy left so they can lap it up and keep coming back for more.

Bush should have been impeached as soon as the Supreme Court handed down its decision to stop counting votes in Florida in violation of State Law.

It’s been a complete disaster since that disaster.

Impeaching Bush at this point is meaningless. Charge him with crime and convict him as an example to future tyrants.

Impeach Scalia and Thomas.

Chief, from TFA:

Bush and Cheney are clearly guilty of numerous impeachable offenses. They have repeatedly violated the Constitution. They have transgressed national and international law. They have lied to the American people time after time. Their conduct and their barbaric policies have reduced our beloved country to a historic low in the eyes of people around the world. These are truly “high crimes and misdemeanors,” to use the constitutional standard.

Why impeach him OR Cheney at this point?

The two are an anchor that will sink the GOP for the rest of our lives most likely. They sure have helped me teach my kid what is what and who the enemy is.

I do have a vision that makes me smile though.

It’s a few years from now. bush is supervising a number of illegal aliens clearing brush at the ranch. As he calls for a water break and the brush cutters fall silent, he hears the sound of sirens in the distance.

The sirens draw nearer.

The vehicles arrive…at the bush ranch.

bush is taken away and prosecuted. He is in good health and survives his prison term to live his senior years in scorn and shame. Cheney does not survive his prosecution and incarceration.

As the Newt Gingrich Congress demonstrated in the 1990s, passing of articles of impeachment can be debased into pure partisanship. All it takes to impeach Cheney and Shrub is a straight-party majority vote.

Yep, Capn, Tom T. made that exact point at the time:

http://archive.salon.com/comics/tomo/2000/12/18/tomo/index.html

Don’t know about Clarence’s kid, but Eugene Scalia did get a job in the W. administration.

Get over it?

Never. In that moment Republicans earned my deepest and undying hate. I consider them a waste of skin.

Actually, Nathan, the Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide recount.

Why should we “get over it” when you want us to accept disinformation as fact?

Either way, almost every major news organization has gone back to Florida and done a recount and they found that Bush still would have won the vote in Florida.

Completely and utterly false.

What they found was that if limited recounts of certain counties (which you claim were illegal) were done, Bush won under some scenarios.

However that same Consortium study that you cite found that if ALL votes had been recounted–including the so-called “over-votes” in which a voter voted for Gore and also wrote in the name “Al Gore” in the “Write In Candidate” space–Al Gore won by many THOUSANDS of votes.

The over-votes were legal votes under Florida law, because the law states that “the intent of the voter” should be followed.

The American people were robbed in 2000 by an anti-democratic junta that seized power. I will never get over it.

CapnAmerica,

I don’t believe you. I have never read anything which suggest what you are saying here.

All the newspaper headlines were that Bush still won.

I must have missed the ones which said Gore won “if” we count like this.

The American people were not robbed.

Get over it already.

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html?ex=1199854800&en=136f891bc8be7960&ei=5070

Who Won Florida? The Answer Emerges, but Surely Not the Final Word

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/recount/12ASSE.html?ex=1199854800&en=0a3b9ed357c275dd&ei=5070

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html

The Actual Findings

While that was the tone of coverage in these leading news outlets, it’s still a bit jarring to go outside the articles and read the actual results of the statewide review of 175,010 disputed ballots.

“Full Review Favors Gore,” the Washington Post said in a box on page 10, showing that under all standards applied to the ballots, Gore came out on top. The New York Times’ graphic revealed the same outcome.

Earlier, less comprehensive ballot studies by the Miami Herald and USA Today had found that Bush and Gore split the four categories of disputed ballots depending on what standard was applied to assessing the ballots – punched-through chads, hanging chads, etc. Bush won under two standards and Gore under two standards.

The new, fuller study found that Gore won regardless of which standard was applied and even when varying county judgments were factored in. Counting fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots, Gore won by 115 votes. With any dimple or optical mark, Gore won by 107 votes. With one corner of a chad detached or any optical mark, Gore won by 60 votes. Applying the standards set by each county, Gore won by 171 votes.

This core finding of Gore’s Florida victory in the unofficial ballot recount might surprise many readers who skimmed only the headlines and the top paragraphs of the articles. The headlines and leads highlighted hypothetical, partial recounts that supposedly favored Bush.

I don’t expect that this evidence will sway you, Nathan. You believe for example that the earth is only 8,000 years old. Your capacity to ignore facts and believe sincerely whatever is in your best interest to believe apparently knows no bounds.

But for readers who still have the ability to reason using facts, the evidence is clear–Gore won Florida in 2000.

Gore lost his home state of Tennessee. Florida was just an anomaly.

Gore lost his home state.

And Bush lost the majority of voters.

I just realized I made the original claim, not Nathan. Oops.

So here ya go, Nathie!

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/12/08/scofla.ruling.pol/index.html

Nathan claimed that the Florida Supreme Court only ordered recounts in specific counties and that’s why it was illegal.

Rage said that the Florida Supreme Court ordered a STATEWIDE recount.

Let’s see who’s right, shall we:

(From the CNN source above)

“The Florida Supreme Court gave Vice President Al Gore a major victory and election officials a major headache Friday by ordering a statewide manual recount.”

Hey, Nathan, your guy stole the election.

Get over it.

I thought McGovern died years ago.

His tales from the nursing home sound as bad as the tales he used to tell when he was alive.

Who cares what McGovern thinks?

That’s our wonderfull press digging deep for a hot ‘news’ story. (The press gets pretty bored in South Dakota this time of year, especially.)

Bush and all his administration should be tried, convicted and jailed in my view. I know he never will be jailed and we will just have to pray the Lord reserves a hot place in Hell for him.

The majority hold their breath hoping they can endure for another year. Impeachment at this time would only serve to vindicate the United States in the view of the world. Bush and Cheney have taken the place of Bin Laden in the world view as the greatest threat to world peace. The unspoken truth is that Until the very last minute of his Presidency, Bush can order the beginning of the end and short of a outright revolt upon the part of the military no one could stop him. Not Congress, not the SCOUS and certainly not the American people. So the majority is left holding their breath and hoping to endure for another year.

Rage
Posted January 7, 2008 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
Chief, from TFA:

Rage, you didn’t post one damn thing which is an impeachable (majority) offense.

Not one Rage. Not one iota of truth.

Not one clearly written charge.

Like Brian (the scarecrow on the Wizard of Oz seeking a brain), you have nothing.

Just hate and spouting off at the mouth.

Really stupid and ignorant comments.

But no one today on this thread has published one impeachment article.

All hate.

Unlike Clinton’s impeachment, where the man lied under oath and lied to the American people.

Bush? Nothing. Zip. Nada. Zero.

Clowns, who pretend to be lawyers. All of you.

HEHEHE HAHAHA HOHOHHO!!

All day long. Whiners.

Clowns: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060130/holtzman

Elizabeth Holzman sat on the House judiciary committee during Nixon’s impeachment proceedings. This is included a through review of the history and requirements of impeachment. I’m not going to bother to research it for you. JFGI.

The illegal secret prisons, the destroyed interrogation tapes, the politicization of the justice dept, etc. etc. etc.! were not even know in January 2006.

The only thing that keep Bush and Cheny in office is the certain knowledge that no conviction could be acheived in the Senate, no matter what the evidence.

Yeah, I know how this game works. I’m supposed to go into greater and greater detail, as if preparing a formal indictment, all while you keep demanding “real” evidence, and continue to deny any evidence of wrongdoing.

Okay: It was Colonel Mustard in the library.

But I guess you can have this little snack for now:
CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES:
Misrepresenting the Truth in Order to Sell a War is A “High Crime”

[. . .]

Conspiracy to Defraud the United States is a specific federal crime prohibited by Title 18, United States Code, Section 371. Put simply, it is an agreement to use deceit and misrepresentation to “obstruct or impair” the normal functioning of government.

http://www.impeachbush.tv/editorials/delavega_060421.html

P.S. Oh, you want “articles” of impeachment? Okay.

http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/articles.html

Wvwn though the issues with the Bush administration are impeachable offenses, such proceedings would end up being confusing and disrupting for the government and the people when held during an election year.
Rather than an impeachment, how would people feel about a congressional agreement for the next administration to turn Bush, Cheney and whoever et Al over to the World Court in the Hague and letting them deal with them the moment Bush is out of office? It couldn’t be less partisan than congress, and it wouldn’t be our problem; Lord knows the next asministration will have enough to deal with after the blatent corruption the country has endured for eight years without the fuss and furor of an onslaught of impeachment hearings.
It would mean that he wouldn’t stand trial for domestic espionage or financial corruption, those being internal issues, but that preemptive war and his shuffling of prisoners to foreign countries for purposes of torture (if convicted) ought to get them put away for quite a while. I’d settle for that; Bush imprisoned in a country he doesn’t know the location of, let alone how to ask for beer and nose candy!