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Do I see Ron Paul having a chance to win the Presidency? To be frank no, though I understand his ideas and for the most part see the logic in them. The economy is at the very least heading for a real hard fall with our habit of giving away the bank in our trade deals and the dollar having no real value to fall back on.
With the welfare system not just broken but smashed so badly it can not be fix by just rearranging it around.
Health care bordering on the cast system and heading toward the Ebenezer Scrooge philosophy of “let them die it will decrease the excess population”. The bane of the health care system, HMO was a government and insurance companies idea. Socialized medicine either works well or not at all and both side of the issue have examples from other countries to support their side. The Tax system does favor the very rich and the large corporations. (boy am I about to start a debate here!) In principle that is not necessarily bad if it worked as the thought stated as the logic behind “trickle down economics”. But like Trickle down economics, it fails with the human factor. Corporations lost sight of the underlying fact, it is a symbiotic relationship with the Consumers/ workers. If you want to do better then everyone else has to be doing good.

But Paul is up against too many enemies to win and if he does there are too many enemies to get what he wants done. On the top is the Neoconservatives who will not go quiet into the night. Their students that have been so Bastardized within the GOP that they can not see they lost their way. Having forgotten the core values and logic and reason for the party. Having become the big Government and big spending liberals that the Democrats are accused of being.(That is why I chuckle every time I hear one talking down to a Democrat. Or proclaiming they are a Conservative!) Doing away with the IRS would mean we would have to go back to the old way of generating money for the running of the Government. That would mean among other ways. Returning to the tariffs on imported goods, Wal-Mart would have a royal fit! GMC, Ford and many of the other car manufacturers would scream Bankruptcy. Ironically one who would not be screaming is Toyota as most of their care sold here are made here.

Then there are the others, frighten of the thought of ending the nanny state mentality, “if you do away with the welfare system who will take care of the widows and orphans?”. People it would mean we ALL would have to step up! Giving a hand instead of a hand out, States would have to take care of and plan for their own citizens to their credit many actually already do. the list goes on…

But yes if nothing more Paul serves to point out the glaring path lost to the GOP and the way back for this country to get back on top of solid ground.

With the expanded presidential powers the new president should have less of a problem throwing their weight around, I just hope it favors the constitution and peoples vaules more.

Regular, I agree with you.
I like many of the things Ron Paul stands for, Constitutionally, I just don’t have the confidence he could pull it off without a revolution, and I’m not ready for that.
I do think if he were elected it might result in governmental stalemate, which if you think about it might not be so bad.
I don’t seriously take his candidacy as viable but he by all means should be included in the debates.

Sean Hannity SHOULD be chased down by an angry mob. The man is a consumate liar and shill for the most vile elements of the evil right.

Bad news is the upset folks are the worst of the worst. THEIR problem with the GOP is that it aint nasty enough.

End all societal help? Get rid of the department of education? End social security?

Ron Paul is insane. He is right about foreign policy and NOTHING else.

Sure, let Ron Paul into the debates. However, I insist that all the candidates arrive to the debate in the same tiny clown car.

Damn I’m glad we don’t have YOUR equivalent on the left their GMC.

Our tent, it’s getting pretty crowded. But more are always welcome! A big gas bag like you would be a waste of space though.

You Ron Paul supporters should think about voting Dem. I was originally a conservative. But half a life ago I realized that side did not fit up with my sense of self and obligation to society. SO I work from outside to get the GOP back to its ideas being for everyone and not just those who play the game and know the rules. The water is too cold you add some heat. That kind of thing.

Aint us on the left trying to shut anyone up either.

“Aint us on the left trying to shut anyone up either.”

JR – always good for a laugh.

Well 1986 aint exactly “recent” there GMC.

Don’t they like fold you up and put you away til next Thanksgiving?

GMC
The juvenile was never “conservative” regardless of his voting record.

I have challenged him on this, several times, as he can not seem to come up with an idea, or an issue, that ever attracted him to the “Republican Cause” — he is PURELY into personalities, too shallow to understand anything else.

And, the Juveniles “proof” that he was once “conservative”? He says he wrote, on a WSU blackboard, “Frits and Tits call it quits” after Reagan won.

Thank God the Juvenile “switched parties” if he actually did. He is more baggage and more trouble than he is worth!

I was a very strong Reagan supporter, but I would have errased his childish, sexist crap from the blackboard, if I saw him do it.

That would not be restraining “free speech” — that is showing respect and maturity.

It was not his black board.

It was not his class.

It was obviously NOT his party and I would never let him speak for me.

Apparently, the Dems have no such ethical problem with a racist, sexist bigot speaking for them!

Just curious what do conservatives stand for other than tax cuts and an aggressive foreign policy?

At it’s core, JR, the GOP is about the very same thing the Democratic party is about: winning elections.

Ideology is seconday. Everything else is secondary. Those, my naive friend, are the facts of life.

annie moose
Posted January 12, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
Just curious what do conservatives stand for other than tax cuts and an aggressive foreign policy?

Annie, the conservatives you have described are closer to resembling Neo-conservatives. Conservatives generally support small government, something the neo-cons have done the opposite, real conservatives support fiscal conservatism, something the neo-cons have yet again done the opposite, and the real conservatives support a non-interventionalist foreign policy, somthing the neo-cons have yet again done the opposite with their aggresive capitalist exapnsionism foreign policy. So as you see the Republican party has real conservatives few and far between. Thats why Ron Paul appealed to me so much he was an actual conservative. Now as someone stated earlier I wish Ron Paul denouced extremism amoung his supporters, and actually got some professinols working on his campaign instead of leaving it to the grass roots workers to run, which has worked out terribly in his favor, and for the news letters that echo racism, homophobia, and antisemetic remarks, that was a news letter that was sponsored by Ron Paul but was written by other people, something I wish Ron Paul had oversight of, but that was at a time when he was a practicing doctor, active in politics amoung other things, so I doubt someone with a life would have time to read over a newsletter, its come back to bite him in the ass.

White Elephant,
I agree with you about Ron Paul his voice should be heard. This newsletter scandal almost sounds like a memogate thing. I would have examine the font styles compared to the orginal newsletter ect.

About the size of government it would interesting to find out exactly who works for the government anymore. I have heard instances of government contractor meetings where the first question was who actually works the government and no one comes forward. Just who is running the show now?

Though he does not have a viable candidacy I applaud what Ron Paul stands for, and more what he stands against. He stands against modern liberalism and against fascism.
As the great Austrian social economist Ludwig von Mises instructed, “Socialism (modern liberalism) is not in the least what it pretends to be. It is not the pioneer of a better and finer world, but the spoiler of what thousands of years of civilization have created. It does not build; it destroys. For destruction is the essence of it. It produces nothing, it only consumes what the social order based on private ownership of the means of production has created.”
We are in the early stages of the disintegration of our society it seems. Multiculturalism, inflation, high taxes and a huge, growing underclass (illegal immigration and the entitlement class of society) will see to that. Disparaging the free market is another sigh of backwardness and coming chaos. Envy; hatred of the producers, anti-business, propaganda, punishment of the rich and productive; expropriation of wealth; the politics of class warfare; all are in vogue today and present in our coming election. All from small minds. Unfortunately many active on this blog too.

Rage,

The only recent President that has been impeached for lying under oath has not been Republican.

Aghawk where do you get liberlism and socialism causing the decay of our society. I think socialism should not be in our government, I think social programs are important but those our programs society needs to create. We don’t need mass government programs being made that I can agree with. The welfare system wouldn’t be a bad deal if it were privatly ran. Plus what do you have against multiculturalism, mixing the pot is what America is made out of. If we didn’t have multiculturalism the America we know today and even the birth of our country wouldn’t exist. I think a lot of the problems you are seeing can be attributed to a consumer driven society, and a media and entertainment idustry that feeds consumerism values, the government, and multiculturalism have nothing to do with that. You also have another part backwards, we have huge businesses that are able to pull strings in their favor to poise them for greater economic gains, that right there is a part of the disetngration of society. I’ll give you an example, the Dupont corporation in the 40’s teamed up with Harry Anslinger to outlaw Marijuana for economic reasons, not because of the recreational drug users. Hemp in the agricultural business stood to gain mass economical spread, pushing into duponts platics industry which was bouyed by the oil industry. So dupont and Harry Anslinger marched across America with an anti-narcotics propaganda mahcine, funny thing is Marijuana is not a narcotic. These business that interwine with our government for economical gain cause more problems than social programs. I for one don’t like the social programs because they can too easily be abused, and the other reason is the mass amount of taxpayers money wasted while making no progress, because government programs fail, and fail again, thats why I see socialism a waste of government resources and taxpayers money. That dosen’t mean I’m an anti-socialist like so many of you see to say proudly. I’m pro-socialist if the programs are made by private industry.

What do we do by keeping Hemp and Marijuana illegal. We criminalize recreation marijuana user, the fact is marijuana is the safest recreational drug in existence, more so than alcohol and tobacco which attribute to hundreds of thousands of deaths a year, while marijuana can be attributed to 20 or so deaths world wide while the deaths are unrelated from ingestion. We house thousands of prisoneers that are jailed for possesion of marijuana, we the taxpayers pay for their time in jail for such a silly crime. What can be produced from hemp. Hemp not only has the poetential, it in fact can free of us our dependence on oil, hemp ethanol is 4 times more efficeint to produce than corn ethanol. We can stop deforestation by producing paper from hemp, the amount of paper we produce from trees in one year, can be produced in one season of harvesting hemp. Cloths can be made of hemp, composite materiel can be made from hemp to use on automobiles and aircraft. The meat we produce from cows would be 30 percent leaner with almost no fat if we fed them hemp instead of corn, we wouldn’t have to shoot cows full of antibiodics if they were fed a diet of hemp, the corn meal they eat causes them intestinal infections because corn is not a cows natural diet, grass is. Mad cow disease would cease to exist because the infections in their intestines is caused by corn meal, and some of those infections lead to mad cow disease. We would save upwards of 20 million dollars if they stopped anti-marijuana television ads, its funny how we have more anti-marijunana ads than anti-meth ads, why? Because meth increases the sale of the chemical industry, Marijuana is a natural plant and dosen’t boost the sales of any products. The only thing marijuana increases is the sale of junk food. Entire houses can be created with environmentaly friendly hemp composite material. During the birth of our country in some colonies and states it what illegal to not grow hemp, that is how important if was to the birth of our country. We are actually holding back progress by demonizing and criminalizng hemp. The facts are clear and there for anybody to read, marijuana was made illegal because hemp would of brought enormous competition to a whole slew of industries, Harry Anslinger actually spewed racists propaganda about mexicans, and blacks, attributing the disentigration of society because of them and the use of dope. America is one of the only Westernized countries left that criminalizes hemp, and some form of national healthcare, there is something very wrong with this country when a select rich few and spew their propaganda and keep this country from progressing into the future. As I repeated earlier, for any of the people that didn’t read before, I’m against socialism in our government, however I absolutly think socialist programs should be somthing private industry should run, maybe with some minor oversight, there is nothing wrong with helping our fellow man, the thing private indusrtry would do to social programs, would be to eliminate waste, frauds, and abuse from people who don’t need it.

I agree that marijuania should be decriminalized, it’s less harmful than alcohol. But the thing I see is that chronic pot smokers tend to be very immature.
I’ve been told by addiction experts that if a person starts smoking in their teens and continues to do so consistantly throughout their life, they tend to not mature emotionally much past the age they started smoking pot. I’ve experienced this over and over with people in my life. They just don’t seem grow up and fuction like an adult.
There is no such thing as a harmless drug.

Yea, thats why it should be treated like alcohol, people using marijuana habitually are addicts, the same as people using alcohol habitually are alcoholics. Now a pothead has a substance abuse problem and they need treatment. I don’t think marijuana is harmless, physcially it is safter than alcohol and tobbaco, but people still have substance abuse problems with it, just like alcohol. Theres no reason jail people with substance abuse problems unless they are driving intoxicated.

Sorry to hear about dad, J.R. first time I actually heard of somebody besides the news of someone who contracted that. Yea, your right, I got my facts mixed, its bone meal or byproduct feed like you said that causes it. Yes, the corn feed does make cows more prone to infections, it acidifies in their stomach more than grass does so they give them heavy doses of antibiodics.