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Interesting analysis of New Hampshire by region, the power of independents in the primary, and why New Hampshire has become a swing state (per the link) rather than a solidly Republican state.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/07/nh.guide/index.html
Gonna be an interesting night.
Such a Sad Song:
The Night Hillary’s Campaign Died
In the cold of a Hillary Chill
In the land of the dollar bill
When the town of Manchester died
And they talk about it still
When a woman named Hillary
Tried to make that town her own
And she called her gang to war
With the forces of the law
I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Hillary’s Campaign died
Brother what a night it really was
Brother what a fight it really was
Glory be
I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Hillary’s Campaign died
Brother what a night the people saw
Brother what a fight the people saw
Yes indeed
And the sound of the battle rang
Through the streets of the old east side
‘Til the last of the hoodlum gang
Had surrendered up or died
There was shouting in the street
And the sound of running feet
And I asked someone who said
Bout a hundred cops are dead
I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Hillary’s Campaign died
Brother what a night it really was
Brother what a fight it really was
Glory be!
I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Hillary’s Campaign died
Brother what a night the people saw
Brother what a fight the people saw
Yes indeed
And there was no sound at all
But the clock upon the wall
Then the door burst open wide
And my daddy stepped inside
And he kissed my mama’s face
And he brushed her tears away
The night Hillary’s Campaign died
The night Hillary’s Campaign died
Brother what a night the people saw
Brother what a fight the people saw
Yes indeed
The night Hillary’s Campaign died
The night Hillary’s Campaign died
Brother what a night it really was
Brother what a fight it really was
Glory be
The night Hillary’s Campaign died
The night Hillary’s Campaign died
Brother what a night the people saw
Brother what a fight the people saw
Yes indeed
Looks like McCain whipped ol’ Mitty. Hopefully, however, with all his money Mitt will continue to savage his fellow Repukes.
Update Hillary is leading Obama 38 to 36 %
Did the media even report on the Wyoming vote results?
Wyoming, where’s Wyoming? Oh, yea, isn’t that where that dipshit v.p. is from?
Nah, Cheney is from Texas, just like Bush which means, according to the Constitution, they can’t be in office together.
MSNBC had fun with McCains interminable victory speech.
Geez I thought he’d NEVER shut up.
Good on the Dems. Barack? Not so fast guy. No not so fast.
Time for Obama to begin an investigation into the polling machines and voting irregularities. After all, the pre and exit polls had him winning by double digits. Proof positive the Clinton’s have got to Diebold and them.
Don’t believe it? Well, it was proof positive to the Dems when Bush beat Kerry in Ohio in 2004.
Outlander there you go talking logic again.
Heh heh even Joe Scarbourough joined the fun.
Olberman told him “Joe it is bad form to boo the guy while he is still on the stage.”
The later…Olberman says “NBC apologizes to John McCain. Now back to it!”
If the exit polls show Hillary the winner, an investigation is in order!
So, I gather from the above comments that Clinton won? Haven’t seen any numbers yet since a couple hours ago.
Whoops, I meant to type “…Obama the winner…
Last I saw a few min. ago, hillary leading by a few thou.
MSNBC just called it for Senator Clinton.
HA HA HA HA HA!
I’m really tired of the media putting down Hillary. I hope this will show them.
Too close to call. WHOA to the Obama stampede is my guess.
That’s good news. This election is gonna be one helluva fight. Dems are not served well by an easy winner in the primaries. And it is THEIR election to lose. We owe the process the best tested winner.
Max must by crying.
Dang my kid has cartoons on. Scratch the first sentence of my last.
Couldn’t watch much of McCains speech — I kept wondering who’s pocket he’s in —
I think it’s now time for the candidates to reveal how they’re going to do what they say they’re going to do —- truth is net net — probably won’t make a damn bit of difference —–
Some report said, voters pick familiarity more than anything else.
New Hampshire has had 20 years knowing Bill and Hillary. Obama is brand new to some of them in recent weeks.
People are fighting a variety of thoughts picking the candidates. Their established voting patterns in the past. Who is discussing what voters hope to hear.
Bill is popular in NH. He tells a crowd, Obama has made fairy tale political statements. He hasn’t been “vetted” hard enough by the press.
Bill doesn’t remember his fairy tale ” I didn’t have relations with that woman” and both Clinton’s think all is forgiven.
Is America truly thinking clearly, having Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton in the White House? The world would think this country is crazy. They have a poor opinion because of Bush now.
It’s like we can’t get away from past political theater and want to repeat it again.
Hillary’s candidacy has too much Bill in the mix, wanting a third term, so he can be part of policy decisions.
No matter what happens in New Hampshire, a close race has happened, Hillary and Obama will carry on.
This fight will last until after Feb. 5th
Max – the Associated Prass has declared Hillary-WINNER
Now your mama is realy crying
Here is the big story.
Obaba almost beat Hillary in a state with only about 100 people of color!
Hillary, ‘The comeback Gal’!
The real story is how many independents the dems. are drawing as opposed to the republics. It’ll be interesting also to see who produced the highest percentage of their partys’ voters.
The election will probably go Rovian, so maybe the toughest dem. competitor should prevail.
Maxxxxx?
MAAAAaaaax?
Hannity, Rush, and that crowd will be an interesting listen tomorrow. A double defeat for them. Senator Clinton goes on and they have seen their party further split.
Huckabee got the God crowd in Iowa.
McCain got the guns crowd in New Hampshire.
The next one I bet yet ANOTHER Republican wins. It won’t be Willard either.
Well, I’d like to see the Dems spend their potential war chest in an intramural contest. So let’s keep it close!
Awe a little sulky there Outlander?
Face it, Americans have had a taste of Neocon values, and they have soundly said HELL NO.
Hey outlander?
Read turnout and weep. Dems are in it AND motivated. “Independents” too.
Republicans not so much.
Obama just gave one helluva speech.
“Awe a little sulky there Outlander?” – P mama
Because Mrs Clinton won? No, I very much want Hillary to win the Democrat nomination. And Mom; no matter who is president, the tremendous freedom and opportunity in this country is still there for all of us to take advantage of. Why would I be sulky?
“the tremendous freedom and opportunity in this country is still there for all of us to take advantage of”
No, no it isn’t. Senator Clinton knew this when she talked about opportunity slipping away.
I fully expect to get this nation back to normal once Hillary is President. The people of the United States are onto the neocons and their evil ways. Change is the keyword, and we miss life under the Clintons.
And Bill…go suck an egg.
I will not let a state that doesn’t even have an income tax tell me who my president will be.
99 percent of this great nation hasn’t had a say yet.
We have a right to our say.
New Hampshire is the most irrelevant state in the union.
They do not speak for me!
It begins to look like the state of Kansas may get a voice?
Credit to outlander for showing up on a very dark night for the right.
And the rest?
(cue crickets.)
Mom,
You miss life under Clinton’s? See how your factoring Bill in a large part of policy decisions.
The both of them! It was reported if Bill was running again in NH, they would have voted for him.
Nationally people haven’t been vetted about that. A First Dude. He knows how sneak “fans” into the White House past the Secret Service.
Who wasn’t pardoned they didn’t get to last time?
Hey folks
I WANT Hillary to be the nominee.
Sorry, but I do have to chuckle about the comments last night and earlier today that Hillary was done and it was time to stick a fork in her.
Guys, never underestimate the power of a woman. :)
Never underestimate the ability of a woman to turn on the tears.
Again, I am happy tonight.
Hillary as the nominee gives the GOP a real shot at holding our own in the House and Senate races, regardless of the Presidential outcome.
Also, Mitt Romney has two second place finishes and a first place finish. No other Candidate, on either side, can say as much.
Yeah I want McCain to be the nominee.
OR Hickabee.
OR Sleepy (Thompson)
OR Willard (king of the rats)
Damn it is gonna suck to be you paulie.
Ah HA paulthecon is a Romney guy.
Yeah sell the corporate raider cultist three time loser there paul.
Sorry paulie, the Presidency aint for sale…like you.
Mrage, of all people, you’re the last one I’d expect to make a sexist comment on here.
Appalled, truly.
I wouldn’t make a racist comment on Obama to benefit Hillary- because it’s WRONG and I would expect more from my own party. I root for Obama too. It’s his supporters I sometimes don’t like…like the one who chanted “iron my shirt”.
Don’t make me put you in that category. I would hope Obama would denounce those voters to go elsewhere…as he is not their candidate and doesn’t want their vote. The same I’d expect Hillary to denounce any racist votes for her.
Well, Paul, I see I don’t have to worry that you were ever a woman. You are clueless about that, that’s for sure. And, btw, you sound extremely bitter tonight. Hillary may not get the nomination, but whoever does will make it interesting.
As Hank said earlier today, it ain’t over until the fat lady sings, and she isn’t even in the theater yet.
The excitement will die down in a few days, so smile. We have 10 more months of this garbage.
Clarification:
The Presidency is not for sale.
paul is.
I figured McCain would win in New Hampshire. How well he will do from here on out? I don’t think so well.
It will be interesting to see what happens between Obama and Hilary.
Ultimatley, I think that Edwards will drop out, most of his voters will go to Obama and Obama will beat Hilary.
Or Hilary and Edwards might do some deal for President and VP. I still think that most of Edwards supporters would go to Obama though.
Just my thoughts.
Doug–
Cheney is from Wyoming. He was the state’s lone congressman for years.
Just FYI.
Heal your own party Nathan. It is bleeding to death.
Edwards is a fighter. HIS voters go for a fighter. And Obama is the candidate YOUR side wants because he wants to work with you.
Well most of us know that too work with Republicans is to work FOR Republicans. And we just aint on board with that.
My take? Clinton Edwards 2008.
I am not bitter at all.
Look back, on any thread, where Hillary came up.
I have been very impressed with Obama, and very worried about Obama as the Dem nominee. I like the guy. I don’t want him to be President, but I like him.
On the other hand, I do not like Hillary. A great many people agree with me on that. She still hs the highest negatives of any candidate in the race. I do not like Hillary, I think she is mean, self serving, horrible to her “underlings” treats people like dirt and is one of the most corrupt people to ever be involved in politics.
—Having said that, I was pulling hard for Hillary tonight.
Does anyone think that a “Hillary – Obama” ticket would work?
That is a lot to ask.
Not because of their being a woman and Black person on the same ticket, but because NEITHER of them has any real experience.
Hillary will not pick Obama, I do not think. Hell, she just said Obama had not done his “spade work” — think of a Republican using that kind of language?
Anyway,
My life does not depend on politics.
I DO have a life, outside of politics.
Some of you ought to get a life, and quit thinking that elections will ever affirm your identity or your self-worth.
and—
The Juvenile just made clear that he is a bigot, once again.
Mormons are good, decent people.
I would never join their faith, but they deserve respect.
Does the juvenile even understand how to respect those who disagree?
Clinton v. McCain
Even if my candidate does not win, the forces of sanity prevail. And, I say, ALRIGHT!
Thank you.
Doug,
How exactly do you figure that the Constituion forbids two people from the same state being in office together as President and Vice President?
I know what you are mistakenly thinking of, just wanted to see your reasoning.
I’ll stand by my assesment of Willard Romney paul. And my assessment of you.
Neither of you is any deeper than a buck is thick.
JR,
I don’t think I even begin to understand what it is you posted to me.
I expected no more of you Nathan.
Mark J. Penn will start figuring out what our country needs. Long live the Queen, Hillary.
Nite all.
Headline from Time magazine:
“The Comeback Kids: Clinton, McCain”
That of course, was Bill’s line as he limped out of NH with a better-than-expected showing.
Why is anyone surprised when the Iowa caucuses aren’t the last word? This is hardly new.
Neither is NH, BTW. I think we’re going to see an extended slugfest on both sides. And I can honestly say I have no idea who’s going to come out on top.
Clarification: Bill Clinton, 1992, not Bill Richardson.
The juvenile has neve run anything but his mouth.
Mitt Romney ran the Olympics, the state of Massachusetts and several successful businesses.
The juvenile calls Mitt Romney a “cultist” — a religiously bigoted attack on Romney.
—-
deep?
The Juvenile wants to place land mines on the Mexican border.
The Juvenile wants to abolish the current state of Israel.
The Juvenile wants to repeal NAFTA, (Which Al Gore and Bill Clinton both supported).
The Juvenile wants to start a trade war by placing tariffs on our imports. The Juvenile doesnt care about the fact that shooting wars often follow trade wars. The Juvenile doesn’t care that Wichita DEPENDS on exports.
deep?
Well, I abhore populism, most of the time, but I am also pleased that most of my views are widely held, and that none of my views are on the “fringe” of society.
The Juvenile has the unibomber and Charles Manson on his side, on the environment and on race relations. I guess that counts for something.
Well I’ve been posting here a long time.
I don’t think I have ever seen a McCain supporter. And the Hickabee suppoters I have seen are defects from Fred Thompson.
And ol Fred has no chance.
Romney? He is now a three time also ran.
Rudy?
Hey you on the right still have Alan Keyes!
I was originally a supporter of Rudy. Then Fred, and then Huckabee.
I personally don’t think any Republican candidate is ideal and passionatley support them.
I would like to see Huckabee get it, but don’t think it will happen.
The only person I really don’t like is McCain. I really hope he is not the candidate for President. McCain has been stabbing the Republican party in the back for so long now that I have not forgotten nor will I.
I only hope that the rest of the party sees that as well.
The scab (paulthecon) has never run anything but others money.
And the rest of his post I will let stand with his previous posts.
Now I know you are hurting tonight paul.
GOOD!
Nathan, it may be a good idea for you to read the Constitution. It’s in Amendment 12:
“The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves”
Back in the day the President was chosen by whom had the most votes, the office of VP was given to second place. During this time people identified with their states, not their country so to insure that a state wouldn’t be too represented this schism was placed in the Constitution. However the law still stands. Cheney’s last place of residence was in Texas when he was a CEO of Halliburton and Bush was governor of Texas. Therefore their office is invalid and there is no need to recognize Bush and Cheney as the rightful holders of the electorate (and the fact that a recount showed that they lost the electoral vote as well as the popular vote).
You surprise me Nathan.
McCain is bush redux.
You too would have my sympathies. Except that you don’t.
JR,
How do I surprise you?
McCain basically opposed everything Bush tried to do since 2000.
Sorry, he is not anywhere near Bush redux. I wonder why you think he is though?
The big question is which candidate can strengthen the U.S. dollar? Since Bush took office the British Pound doubled in value in comparison to the U.S. dollar. If the dollar was a strong as the price of gold the cost of a barrel of oil would only by $30. Needless to say it’s too pricey to afford a trip to Europe so all the neo-cons in Wichita will have to deal with me longer.
Elect a Democrat, strengthen the dollar and then you guys can get rid of me for awhile. It’s a win-win.
Doug,
And every thoughtful legal commentary on the 12th Amendment points out that it doesn’t technically prohibit the President and VP from being from the same state.
The Electors can be instructed to vote in honor of the party to avoid that.
Candidates try not to be from the same state only to avoid any stupidity which would obviously surround the issue.
Well McCain is not alone. ALL of the GOP contenders are bush redux. Except maybe for Ron Paul.
Tonight was also a loss for bush and all those that support him.
That is victory for Americans.
JR,
Where do you come up with this stuff?
I am afraid that you wouldn’t make it very far in the field of political commentary when you say that all the GOP contenders are simply Bush Redux.
Then again, you are probably only looking at it on the issue of the war in Iraq since you think Ron Paul is the only one who is not.
There are many more issues bwyond the war in political analysis JR.
You could just say who it is you currently back there Nathan.
I think back to that press conference during Bill’s administration — I think it was about the Rose Law Firm or somesuch flimsy right wing attack — the First Lady sat on stage and took all questions to the point that the press had no more questions to ask.
That was so opposite to her tactic in Iowa to stop taking questions in Iowa and her choking up (there really weren’t any tears that I saw) about the reason she’s running helped her present herself as a real human being ready to approach the presidency with authentic passion and love for America.
Thanks to Iowa and New Hampshire all three Democratic candidates have about thirty convention delegates apiece. Only 2,000 more to go!!
The underlying truth of this election cycle is every Democrat and a lot of independents are perfectly willing to vote for whomever results as the Democratic candidate for President.
Ah, but look at the Republic Party. Huckabee runs a slow third when the evangelicals aren’t in play. McCain promises the nation another hundred years in Iraq. Mittens can’t buy enough Republic Party voters no matter how much he spends.
I’ve been listening to the results all night and I can’t remember if I’ve heard the names Thompson or Giuliani at all.
Democrats disagree. That’s what we’re all about. However this process ends up, we’ll come together because we’re used to it.
The Republic Party is used to accepting whomever they’re told to vote for. And this year is different. The evangelicals won’t go for the Mormon and the country club Repubs won’t buy into the Huckster’s populism. McCain isn’t fool enough to sell out to the Republic Party’s idiocy regarding immigration and evangelical theocracy. And, as a bonus, McCain’s for a hundred-year war in Iraq!
It’ll take a day or two to crunch the numbers, but one of the most under-reported stats from Iowa was that among all voters in Iowa, Huckabee won the caucuses with 11% of the total vote.
There was an incredible surge of Democratic voters in the New Hampshire primary. Way more people voted against any and all of the Republic Party candidates than for them.
America is against what the Republic Party has done to America for the past decade.
Mom,
I don’t attack Hillary, its Bill. I don’t like him anymore. My ridicule is only focused on him.
He will be a First Man in the White House, will the role change just because he’s a guy? He should be held to do only traditional First Lady duties!
Not sit and discuss national policy in any way.
It’s not good he has a chance to be in the White House again.
We have to move on as a country, from him. If Hillary ran without Bill giving speech’s where he’s attacking Obama, I would respect her campaign. She should be the only voice that way.
She complains its two on one from Obama and Edwards. It’s two on one from Bill and her battling Obama.
Regardless of the bickering, a Democrat will be in the White House. There is too much anger at Bush’s Republicans. Republican candidates can’t distance themselves from him.
Republicans probably stood up and screamed “Iron My Shirt” at Hillary. McCain supporters, who knows!
Hillary people murmured was Obama a drug dealer. It’s Hillary’s forces sending out notes questioning Obama’s childhood in Indonesia.
Bill says Obama should know his place. Barack cand feel like he’s pride of the party but don’t challenge Democratic elders and positions. Bill thinks Obama is not doing it like he did.
There is some negative things coming from Hillary’s camp to hammer Obama personally. Its going to get worse.
Bill shouldn’t be in the criticism talking about Obama is my problem with him.
Nathan, the Constitution is clear. Just because some people choose to avoid it out of convenience doesn’t mean the Constitution has changed. I’ve taken my oath to uphold it, perhaps I just took it more seriously than you.
All in all a great day for America against the forces of greed and those wanting to work with them.
Obama has a good and simple heart. He has never known oppression. Time will tell with him. He MAY mature and be a credible candidate. Or he may sell out and become a Republican.
Romney is the front runner, IMHO.
As for the racist Juvenile, that did not want Obama to win?
He speaks not for the forces of envy.
He speaks for the forces of couch potatoes.
He speaks for the forces of worthless hate.
Hadn’t thought about that Doug. And apparently the punditocracy hadn’t either.
But then, we haven’t had a legal war since 1945, either. A Constitution only works if people take its provisions seriously, as opposed to a “goddamn piece of paper.”
P.S. Back still screwed up, so if I’m a comment or two behind, sorry.
Speaking of standing up for the Consitution Dr Paul almost beat Rudy and crushed Thompson and he was the one left out of the last debates
JR,
I just did. I said I currently support Huckabee.
Doug,
I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution as well.
You are the one who is trying to nitpick it and be overtly technical where there is no technicality so you can further your notion that Bush shouldn’t be President.
There is plenty of Legal opinion on the subject. Try reading some of it instead of the left wing websites.
Hilary said tonight in her speech that each and everyone of us has the God given right to live up to our potential.
She must be a nut since she is out there talking about God giving us rights…
So Doug, JR, and all you other Huckabee is a nut people, where are your cries about Hilary being a nut?
Legal opinions? Why is that needed when the language is quite clear. The Pres and VP can’t be from the same state. How can such simplicity be argued? Kinda like how the Congress must approve a declaration of war and the President simply can’t order an invasion of a country. Our country falls into ruin when people decide to just look the other way and ignore the very foundations of our nation. It’s sad that only the liberals support upholding the Constitution and we are called extremists and traitors.
Doug,
If the Constitution explicitly said that:
The President and Vice President can’t be from the same state, then yes, you would be correct.
Since it doesn’t, that is where intent, and meaning come into play.
Liberals are not the only ones who support upholding the Constitution. Your ability to keep making those assertions instead of trying to have a discussion on this is getting very tiresome.
You have a link for that Nagthan?? I do believe Doug is RIGHT on this one… Cheney had to do some fancy foot work to get himself to be a resident of Wyoming before the 2000 election… IF they could both come from the same State, as you imply, then why all the fuss over getting Cheney to be a resident of Wyoming?? Even though he clearly has a main residence in Houston?? I have even seen that house!!
Since Nathan has no PROOF of his assertion that the Constitution says nothing of residency, he ignores the challenge to his position… How typical!! How predictable!!
I guess max’s bad attempt at poetry just got flushed, huh? Sorry, dude; maybe next time.
I am just a bit suspicious here. The reason for that is that I find it hard to believe that 5 different polls could ALL be more than 20 points off. The possibility of that is small and I am kind of thinking the fix is on here. Do they use electronic ballots in NH?
F*** electronic voting. I want paper ballots, counted by hand in front of me. No matter how long it takes.
J R sings…
“That’s the night when the right blew out in New Hampshire.
That’s the night when the right needs a new plannnnn…
The Dems didn’t elect no midwest nice guy upstart.
And the ‘pukes gave the vote to a washed up crazy old mannnnn.
A washed up crazyman named McCain versus future President Hillary Clinton.
The winner is obvious.
Was anybody else impressed with McCain coming in third in NH, behind Clinton and Obamma?
Repubs. are going to get so thoroughly trounced in 08 they won’t dare try and steal the election.
If Bill wants to be co-president, that’s all right by me!
Kev – They mentioned that some polling stations ran out of democratic ballots. Also, even Hillary’s own polling showed her very behind in NH.
Repubs. are going to get so thoroughly trounced in 08 they won’t dare try and steal the election.
Wouldn’t bet on that, Phantom. Which would you rather do: Lose badly, or simply lose?
And it looks like the Supremes are poised to create a few more obstacles to voting (depending, as uaual, upon how Anthony Kennedy votes).
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/LOCAL/801090472
“If the Constitution explicitly said that:
The President and Vice President can’t be from the same state, then yes, you would be correct.
Since it doesn’t, that is where intent, and meaning come into play.”
Nathan, since I quoted the Constitution exactly there doesn’t seem to be much more that I can say. The Constitution is quite clear, the obvious facts have been put forward yet again you happen to miss the obvious.
Doug,
The rule prevents the Electors from a particular state from voting for both a President and Vice President from their respective state.
The rule is not a direct prohibiition on a President and Vice President being from the same state.
I can read just fine. Once again, this is not about your ability to throw insults at me. This is about your ability to argue reasonably and logicaly instead. Do try.
It is argued that the Electors coudl be simply instructed to vote in honor to get around that stipulation.
Either way, Cheney changed his residency to that of Wyoming to avoid any stupidity that might have ensued.
“The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves”
‘nuf said. The issue with Bush/Cheney was brought to court but it was dismissed by a Republican judge in Texas. Cheney committed perjury when he changed his residency but that’s a crime Republicans only care about when Democrats do it. Once again Republicans excuse criminal behavior.
Doug,
Can’t admit you were wrong?
At least you didn’t throw a bunch of insults at me this time.
Progress.
Nope, I quoted the Constitution for you again. Perhaps you aren’t a nutter, I’m thinking you are just mentally retarded. You already admitted on a different thread that you don’t believe in radiation so not much can be done for you.
Doug,
It clearly says that the Electors from a particular state can’t vote for both a President and Vice President from that state.
It is not a blanket prohibition on the President and Vice President being from the same state.
Try reading this book on government I found on google:
http://books.google.com/books?id=DDkXAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA264&lpg=PA264&dq=12th+amendment+prohibits+president+and+vice+president+from+being+from+same+state&source=web&ots=wbZO8b1bk3&sig=avDuou9OOzGDkyyKTYa7lWwnWcI
Doug,
Is Hilary a nut too?
I see that you are avoiding my questions yet again.
Hillary is well educated, unlike you, and I’m pretty certain she believes in the existence of radiation and doesn’t reject physics and mathematics like you do.
I’ll play your game with the 12th Amendment, that means the Texas electoral votes would be invalid therefore they lost the electoral college by a landslide (since they really lost Florida as well). In any case Bush is not the legitimate President any more than Musharraff is the legitimate President of Pakistan.
Doug,
I’ll take it that when you say:
“I’ll play your game with the 12th Amendment…”
that you mean you admit you were wrong and I was right.
No, either way Bush isn’t our President. If you were right all along then Cheney wouldn’t have needed to waste his time changing residency nor would there have been the numerous lawsuits filed challenging their candidacy based upon the 12 Amendment. But you are mentally retarded so I was trying to play nice and have a little sympathy as you get all worked up when your brain tries too hard.
Doug,
And back to the insults.
Did you read the section of the book I gave you?
Any thoughtful comments on that, or do you think the book was wrong too?
Or are you going to insult me more?
I don’t know exactly where it is but I do recall a prohibition of both being from one state. I seem to recall that coming up when someone suggested a Clinton-Clinton candidacy.
Nathan – just looked up amendment 12 – you are correct. However, it also appears that Doug is since that would invalidate TX electors.
Ben,
That kind of candidacy is explicitly forbidden by the Vice President having to meet all the qualifications to be President.
Bill Clinton, already having served two terms, doesn’t meet the qualifications for President and thus could not be Vice President.
Has nothing to do with the 12th amendment where Doug and I are “trying” to talk about.
Ben,
Doug would only be correct if Cheney was from Texas. Since he changed his legal residency to Wyoming and the Courts have upheld that, Doug is wrong.
The court didn’t uphold anything, it just dismissed the lawsuit claiming the plantiffs weren’t “harmed” by Cheney being in the same state as Bush. Cheney didn’t qualify for residency in Wyoming because he hadn’t physically lived there a year prior to changing his residency. He only changed right before being announced as Bush’s running mate. But Cheney has millions of dollars and plenty of cronies to help him out so issues of illegality were simply ignored. Even before getting into office Bush/Cheney were doing crimes that could get them impeached. But you’re a Republican so crime isn’t an issue unless a Democrat does it.
Doug,
Show me where he committed a crime by changing his residency to Wyoming and why, if it was so wrong, nothing has come of it?
Feel free to buy into these radical left wing conspiracy theories all you would like to.
Heck, get together with CapnAmerica and I am sure you guys could have a wonderful conversation.
Are you still not going to admit you wrong about the President and Vice President being from the same state?
Nathan – not sure about that. I seem to recall some sort of quirk that Bill could not be ELECTED again but could serve. However, I have not looked it up so call it a guess.
As for the Cheney thing – changing residency is easy – just ask hillary!
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I already did that Nathan, as usual you weren’t paying attention. Go back to your sandbox. Let me repeat it again for your small mind. In order for Cheney to be a legal resident of Wyoming he had to be physically living in the state a year prior to applying for residency. He wouldn’t have even qualified for in-state tuition.
Both were clearly “inhabitants” of Texas.
Amendment 12,
“The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an INHABITANT of the same state with themselves;…”
Cheney could of at least rented an apt. above a storage shed!
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