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  1. Hank Price
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev, of the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics of the Siberian Division of the Russian Academy of Sciences, believe the climate is driven by the sun and predict global cooling will soon occur.

    The two scientists are so convinced that global temperatures will cool within the next decade they have placed a $10,000 wager with a UK scientist to prove their certainty. The criteria for the $10,000 bet will be to “compare global temperatures between 1998 and 2003 with those between 2012 and 2017. The loser will pay up in 2018,” according to an April 16, 2007 article in Live Science.

    Bashkirtsev and Mashnich have questioned the view that the “anthropogenic impact” is driving Earth’s climate. “None of the investigations dealing with the anthropogenic impact on climate convincingly argues for such an impact,” the two scientists noted in 2003. Bashkirtsev and Mashnich believe the evidence of solar impacts on the climate “leave little room for the anthropogenic impact on the Earth’s climate.” They believe that “solar variations naturally explain global cooling observed in 1950-1970, which cannot be understood from the standpoint of the greenhouse effect, since CO2 was intensely released into the atmosphere in this period.”

    http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V6/N37/EDIT.jsp

  2. Heckler
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Fun little test of your political leaning. Not linear, left/right + authoritarian/libertarian.

    A little simplistic but fun.

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/

  3. Ben PhD LG
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Sun-driven climate change would be expected to effect the stratosphere more than the troposphere. The exact opposite is observed.

    http://www.wunderground.com/education/strato_cooling.asp

    Global temperatures in 2006 were the third coldest on record in the lower stratosphere, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Only 1997 and 2000 had colder temperatures since record keeping began in 1979 (Figure 1).

  4. GMC70
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    “The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.”
    – H.L. Mencken:

    Just a thought for the day.

    Oh, and BTW – all that stuff yesterday aabout Hillary! being “done” –

    Nevermind. Damn.

  5. American Way
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    OMG! This is the most serious threat to America facing our nation today.

    Ethanol has to go!!!!!!

    “A hike in the price of hops — close to 400 percent in some cases — likely will hit microbreweries and their customers the hardest, experts say.

    In addition to hops, barley and wheat prices also have jumped as more farmers forego those crops to plant corn to meet increasing demand for ethanol. Meanwhile, other farmers are planting feed crops to replace acres lost to corn.”

  6. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    GMC – New Hampshire definitely lived up to its reputation – unpredictable as always.

    I would say that Romney is in deep doo-doo.

  7. Hank Price
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    I aggree Ben,

    Rudy hasn’t suited up yet, once he becomes a factor the GOP race will become a lot more fun.

    If I was a betting man, and I am, I’d still have Rudy vs Hillary as the eventual nominees.

  8. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    That would be an interesting race Hank. Probably nasty too.

    I’m wondering if Mitt will get even nastier toward his Republic opponents now. Also, with they try to snub Ron Paul again?

  9. J R
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    At least we are learning ya can’t BUY the office.

    Willard is done. Heh.. Rudy? He COULD have won. 6 years ago.

    And all those chanting McCain supporters? Where on the Earth have THEY been hiding?

    SO the con nominee? I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. Turnout says it is the Dems election to win. They need to pick the best next President.

  10. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Some NH vote numbers:

    Clinton – 112,238
    Obama – 104,757
    McCain – 88,447
    Obama – 75,202

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229220/

  11. outlander
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “Turnout says it is the Dems election to win.”

    JR, since you mentioned turnout, here is a post that I made this morning, without the links that have caused it to be; “awaiting moderation” and thus no visible, except to me:

    ————–

    Ahem… In my continuing efforts to keep facts straight for the blog, I did a very brief research to the giddiness of some Dems are feeling about vote totals. For instance Phantom’s comment about McCain coming in third in New Hampshire behind Clinton and Obama. As if a primary had some connection with a general election.

    But even allowing that it did, drawing your attention to the links above, you will find that the 2008 vote totals did indeed show Clinton 111,000, Obama 103,000 and McCain at 87,000. So this must mean Clinton is headed for the Whitehouse. Well, not exactly.

    In 2004, the order of finish based on total votes was was Kerry 84,000, Dean, 57,000 and Bush 53,000. Anyone recall who won the general election that year?

    And in 2000, it was McCain 115,000, Gore 76,000, Bush at 72,000, and Bradley at 70,000. Anyone recall who was elected president?

    Gosh, there sure doesn’t appear to be much there to hang your hat on. Well then, how about total votes in the primary between Republicans and Democrats? Surely that means something.

    In 2000, Democrats 154,000, Republicans 236,000.
    In 2004, Democrats 219,000, Republicans 67,000.
    In 2008, Democrats 285,000, Republicans 236,000.

    See any connection between these turnout figures results and what eventually happened? No? Clearly what you run into is that people will come out to vote if the race is interesting, and the independents will vote in what they think is the most interesting race. But does it mean a darn thing? Not really. The only thing I see consistent is that Bush ended up winning both.

  12. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Valid points outlander. I would note that in 2004 there really was not a primary of note on the Republic side so turnout would be expected to be low there. This year BOTH parties are equally wide open.

  13. TDT
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Ben – Is that last statistic supposed to be Romney?

  14. GMC70
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Ben –

    I think I’ll get out of the prognostication business – I’m 0-1 so far. With that record, perhaps the stock market is the place for me?

    ;-)

    Anybody besides me see the possibility of a brokered convention as a good thing?

  15. J R
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    My take is 2000 wasn’t even close there Outlander.

    bush stole it. Gore won.

    2004 was closer. But evidence is there also that the fix was in.

    Not gonna happen this time. It won’t be close enough to cheat.’

  16. GMC70
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Where did that annoying yellow thingie come from!!!

    Let’s see what happens . . .

    ;-) ;-( :) :-0

  17. GMC70
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    So they only make happy faces?

    What if I’ve been reading JR, and my emotion is one of wonder as to how one can be so dense and hatefilled, and at the same believe he is God’s gift to the blog?

    What emotion would I call that? And what yellow thingie would fit it?

  18. MonkeyHawk
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    “Hank Price” –

    As usual, you are wrong when you claim,

    “Rudy hasn’t suited up yet…”

    Statistics compiled by ABC News Political Unit and ABC News’ team of off-air reporters indicate that Giuliani held more events in New Hampshire than any other Republican except for Romney. Rudy also spent more on TV ads than anyone except for Romney and Sen. McCain.

    Pro gun-control, pro-gay, pro-mistress Giuliani isn’t gonna get the Republic Party nomination.

  19. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    GMC, I’m beginning to believe a “brokered convention” might well be a good thing on both sides.

    BTW, noticed the :-) thing myself the other day.

  20. Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    outlander–

    I applaud your side for actually doing some research for once.

    But the conclusions you draw are faulty.

    Of course there was low turnout for the DEMs in 2000. Everybody knew Al Gore was going to be the nominee.

    Same deal for Bush in 2004. That’s why the REPs turnout was so low.

    This year however is wide open–the DEMs have three clear leaders and the REPs have four or five?

    The fact that so many independents are self-identifying with Democratic candidates is very bad news for you CONs.

  21. Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    The only chance the Repubs would have is if they could run a moderate Southerner.

    Like maybe Jeb Bush.

    Good luck with that, hahaha.

  22. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    TDT – OOPS!

    :(

  23. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    GMC – I just made a frowny

    ;(

  24. Hank Price
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    On the democrat side there is a number that hasn’t ever been seen in politics before. It’s the I-won’t-vote-for-her-no-matter-what number. It’s very high, almost 50%.

    If Hillary gets the nomination, and I think she will, it will be interesting to see where and if these ‘anti-Hillary’ voters cast their vote.

    Now I realize the Hillary sycophants are giddy with the hildebeast win, but bottom line:

    Hillary 9

    Obama 9

    Edwards 4

    NH ain’t a winner take all state!

  25. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Hank – even with her negatives Clinton can beat any REPUKE out there. I think the REPUKES have even higher negatives overall.

  26. Hank Price
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Ah Ben!

    Do I sense a friendly wager in the future?

    Just wondering.

  27. American Way
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Not gonna happen this time. It won’t be close enough to cheat.’
    J R
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    I’m afraid J R our nation is pretty well divided between the blue and the red. The blue took some gain from republicans tired of the status quo and
    dissatisfaction with Bush.

    But unless the democrats put a candidate out there who is not far left, we will remain basically a stalemate overall.

    Just looking back at the midterm elections, most of the races were extremely close to confirm.

  28. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Dear Hank Price,

    Thank you for your 6:69 am post. I’ll repost mine from 11:21 pm last night.

    Tune in tommorrow, and see if Hank Price copy/pastes the next one on Sen. Inhofe’s “400″(sic) list, solar physicists Mashnich and Bashkirtsev.

    They don’t seem to understand that:

    1) Cooling from human-added aerosols helped mask the warming from GHG’s, during the 1950 – 1970’s.

    2) The correlation between solar activity and Earth’s temperatures ended in the mid 1970’s.

    3) Earth’s climate IS influenced by BOTH natural and anthropogenic forcings. It’s not an “either-or” situation.

    They “publish”(sic) at co2science.org, aka ‘The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change’
    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html

    And instead of submitting a paper for peer-review, they make a $10,000 wager.

  29. Regular
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Ben and others,

    Here’s a link to a Webpage that provides a table for the emoticons (smilies and etc.)

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies#How_Does_WordPress_Handle_Smileys.3F
    8)

  30. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Dear Hank Price,

    Some more on where your two scientists “publish”. Note the Western Fuels and Exxon connections.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_the_Study_of_Carbon_Dioxide_and_Global_Change

  31. GMC70
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    That’s it! It’s Diebold, throwing the primary to Hillary!!! I mean, it MUST be; gosh, how could the polls have been so wrong. It must be cheating!!!!!!!!!

    Wait . . . haven’t I heard this song before?

    Yup. And with the same evidence.

    How do you like the second verse?

  32. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    GMC – I think that exit polls were consistent with the results. New Hampshire is notorious for being fickle. I suspect a big factor was the resurgence of McCain draining independents from Obama.

  33. Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Who said that Diebold machines threw the election to Hillary?

    There’s a big difference between the outcome not matching polls preceeding the election (Dewey v. Truman) and not matching the EXIT polls.

    The former is what happened in this election. The latter is what happened in Ohio in 2004. The US government actually uses exit polls as a check on elections in disputed elections like the one in the Georgian Republic not too many years ago.

    The exit polls not matching the official results is very good evidence that Sec’y of State Blackwell (a vociferious Bush partisan) and Diebold (who vowed to “deliver Ohio” for Bush) buggered that election.

    Since then, Blackwell has destroyed evidence in violation of court order.

  34. Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    The “official” explanation for the polls getting it wrong is that the voters “changed their minds” in the final days and hours.

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2008/01/theres-no-way-a.html

    Personally, I don’t buy it. I think it’s much more likely that Obama supporters were young or first-time voters who simply didn’t take the time to vote.

    Secondly, Hillary had a good ground game in NH. She had big unions who know the importance of getting their people out. She probably had busses running to the old folks’ homes. The pundits, having never actually worked in a campaign, don’t know anything about that.

    In the final analysis, Hillary only won by two percentage points. That means Obama goes out of NH with almost as many delegates as Hillary.

    Clearly, Obama and Edwards are splitting the vote. They are the “change” candidates. The status quo votes for Hillary. Eventually, money strapped Edwards will have to drop out . . .

  35. Pleefer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    I want paper ballots counted in front of me drop these electronic vote stealers. What am I saying this election is already stolen. And all people want to talk about is how amazing it is that the polls and pundits were all wrong and that Hillary is a “comeback Queen”.

  36. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Does GMC know and appreciate the difference between pre-vote polls and exit polls? Which would GMC say is more likely to be accurate?

  37. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Ballots – what I would like to see is a ballot that we fill in by ‘black the ovals’ like we do in multiple-choice exams. That would then be read on the spot with the poll worker who would verify the ballot – i.e. one vote per office. A ‘non-vote’ would flag with a caution – “did you intend to not vote for dog-catcher?”. If yes then the ballot is accepted and stored.

    Votes could be tabulated quickly at the end of the day – ballots themselves would be available for verification.

    Question: what is the schedule between today and Feb 5?

  38. Tom Paine
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Also more and more people are using cell phones and ditching land lines so you get a chunk of people who aren’t polled

  39. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    In 2000, Democrats 154,000, Republicans 236,000.
    In 2004, Democrats 219,000, Republicans 67,000.
    In 2008, Democrats 285,000, Republicans 236,000.
    Looks like the dems. almost doubled between 2000 and 2008, meanwhile the Repubs. have stagnated. Portends a very motivated democratic turnout, something the Repubs. have always feared.

  40. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Actually, I can appreciate that GMC is being facietios,only thing is, the strong possibility that the mindless minions will pick up the chant taking his statement as Gospel.

  41. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Hard to cleanly erase those damn dots! We’d have ‘partially shaded’ and ‘double entry’ ballot disputes,

  42. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    What we are seeing is a strong wave of Populism after bush has let Capitalism run amok, to the detriment of the country. He has swund the pendulmn to far and now it is on its way back.

  43. Regular
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    An easier method to vote would be the Iraqi purple finger with a photograph of the candidate.

    Fingerprint on the candidate.

    The ink would be infiltrated with tiny microchips that are programmed that would stay embedded in the persons pores for three days so they couldn’t vote again.

    The tiny microchips could then be used to survey cemeteries via Global Positioning Satellites to insure the dead are not rising again to vote in their own districts.

    Of course, a more permanent solution is to get those chips like they use on cats and dogs. Then one could pick up the scanner with the candidate’s photo on it and scan their own microchip.

    or

    Pick a digital photograph of a candidate and just press the button photo.

    or

    Pick the colored marble that matches the candidate, drop it in the bin with the candidate’s photo. Weigh the bin after elections.

    My apologies, felt like a silly post.

  44. Regular
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    The Phantom,

    I doubt if people who vote Republican have any fear about who is President. Repulsed, dissatisfied, irritated, but I don’t think fear has anything to do with it.

    That assessment appears to be be a Liberal wishful thinking assignment of emotion.

  45. econ101
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    HUH?
    The juvenile seems to have a psychological need to believe that the majority agrees, all the time, with his Presidential picks.

    When the vote doesn’t go his way, he yells “fraud!”

    “Evidence” for the alleged “fraud” in the past, has included “exit polling” — and pre election polling. Those numbers did not match the actual results.

    NOW, when HIS candidate, Hillary Clinton, is “behind” by double digits, in pre election polls, but WINS?

    Well, consistency is never a hallmark of an irrational mind.

    There are, by the way, some wacky liberals that claim Hillary “stole” the New Hampshire Primary.

    THEY, at least, are consistent.

    If polls can ever be used as evidence of “fraud” — is it fair to pick and choose when and where those “fraudulent” elections occur?

    By the way, Hillary does seem to benefit from “dead Indians” voting:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/773365/posts

  46. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Phantom – that is why the ballot would be verified on the spot. If it doesn’r read it gets kicked back to be destroyed and redone while the voter is still there.

  47. Nathan
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    So where are the cries that Hilary is a nut?

    She said last night that we have God given rights.

    She must be a nut if she believes that God gives us rights, according to some of you Huckabee is a nut people, No?

  48. JM
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Allow me to translate for all the Republican posters today and for the next several days.

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

  49. WSClark
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Is this Mississippi JM? Just curious.

  50. Steven Davis
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Giuliani is running Bush’s “be very afraid” 2004 “9/11, 9/11″ campaign. If he is the Republic’s candidate, the base will stay home in droves. He would not stand a chance against Clinton or any of the other Dems.

    May have to talk to you about that wager, Hank, if this develops. And that is still a big IF.

  51. JM
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    REPUBLICAN/GOP POLITICAL PLATFORM 2008
    When you re-elect us, we Republicans will continue to implement the following platform:

    o We will take the gloves off large trans and multi-national corporations and allow them to run roughshod over you and the environment.
    o We will give these conglomerate businesses the ability to push down your wages as far as possible.
    o We will allow companies to eliminate your health benefits and pensions.
    o We will continue to expand the powers of the executive branch and render oversight by Congress irrelevant.
    o We will abolish unions to take away any voice and collective power you have as workers.
    o We will create a new class of people called the ‘working poor’ who work full time jobs but can’t afford basic living expenses.
    o While we’re lowering your standard of living, we will remove all of the public services and the safety net that you’ll need to survive.
    o We willl destroy competition and promote monopoly power, particularly in the media, energy, prison and military manufacturing industries.
    o We will allow, promote, create and support immense monopolies that crush small and medium sized businesses.
    o We will represent and implement the will of these massive monopolies no matter what the people say or want.
    o We will increase our stranglehold on national, state and local government and continue to make them more subservient to business.
    o We will penalize you if you are not married, and we will make it more difficult for you to form relationships that might lead to marriage.
    o We will make laws promoting the judeo-christian family unit and preventing all alternative or vicarious ways to channel your sexuality.
    o We will persecute people who are homosexual, those who do not adhere to the Christian religion and those who are not white.
    o We will force women to have unwanted children and make them work while their children are growing up alone.
    o We will force single pregnant women to bear unwanted children and give them up for adoption, and then drive them into the military.
    o We will ensure mass unemployment, start wars and send poor children off to these wars so that we can make more money.
    o We will expand the reach of law, the powers of law enforcement and allow government officers to operate in complete secrecy.
    o We will imprison you and your children longer and longer for petty offenses and we will torture you when we think it is needed.
    o If your skin is not white, we will tolerate you only as long as you work for very low wages and cower in front of us.
    o We will tax corporations and rich people less and give them much more in return for campaing donations.
    o We will tax the middle class more and give them much less in return whether they donate to campaigns or not.
    o We will do away with the constitution and the rights of individuals in favor of the rights of corporations.
    o We will make sure our seniors have to work to make ends meet and we will ensure that they will have little to no free health care available.
    o We will continue to cut services and funding for disabled or wounded war veterans and their families.
    o We will make sure that your child is educated only enough for menial work or entry into the armed forces.
    o We will use your tax money to put our children through private schools while your children get the worst education possible.
    o We will lie to you at every turn.
    o We will make all our decisions in secret. If you start sticking your nose in where it doesn’t belong, we will throw you in jail with no bail, charges or lawyer.
    o If you disagree with us, you are a traitor and will be ostracized, imprisoned and killed at our discretion.

    You are irrelevant, but we do like to play the game of getting you to vote for us.

  52. Steven Davis
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Clark! That is a different JM, don’tcha think?

  53. Steven Davis
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    The labeling of dissent as seditious or traitorous, is a sure sign of a fascist state.

  54. WSClark
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Much different, Mr. Davis……

  55. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    [i]Test[/i] of the possibility that it is possible to post italics on this new blog host thingie.

  56. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Nope.

    Nuts. Going back into hiding now.

  57. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and needless to say.

    DNFTT.

    Really guys. He’s not worth it.

  58. MonkeyHawk
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    “ksagostic” –

    You’ve got your code wrong.

    It’s not a bracket, its a carrot, i.e. the old math “greater-than” symbol that’s the shift/period command on my keyboard. End your italics with shift/perioid slash close carrot…….. hell, it’s all I can do to figure it out myself. I’m not able to teach it.

    Anyway, italics are possible.

  59. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    ksagnostic,

    Try less-than brackets, not [].

    Test

  60. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    ksagnostic,

    Use ‘less-than’ and ‘greater than’ brackets, not [x]

    b for boldface
    Test

    u for underline
    Test

  61. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    DNFTT

  62. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    OK, got it. Brackets on one, less and greater thans on the other.

    Still, I am really going to try to be good and stay away from awhile.

  63. Tom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    But does work?

  64. Tom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Hmm..

    Does bold work?

  65. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    I mean for awhile, of course!

    ‘Buh Bye.

  66. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Nope

  67. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    hi

    hi again

  68. ksagnostic
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    I mean yep.

    Now I am spamming. Bad me. Bad!

    Goodbye. Really this time

  69. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    test

  70. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    color didn’t work

  71. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    size

  72. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    size didn’t either

  73. mrcontroversy
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk:
    LOL…”I’m” a car dealer in Arlington, a British astronomer and an anti-abortion attorney in Austrailia.
    :)

  74. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Test

  75. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    OK, this is kind of like the embedded control codes back in the early day of WordStar (for those who remember how those worked). This , of course, referring to the way to display italics, bold in the post.

  76. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Next on Hank Price’s list,

    “Physics Professor Emeritus Dr. Howard Hayden…
    …Hayden argued that “climate history proves that Gore has the relationship between carbon dioxide concentration and global warming backwards. A higher concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, he said, does not cause the Earth to be warmer. Instead,” he said, “a warmer Earth causes the higher carbon dioxide levels.” Hayden explained, “The sun heats up the Earth and the oceans warm up and atmospheric carbon dioxide rises.”

    Hayden: “Instead, a warmer Earth causes the higher carbon dioxide levels.

    Ohhh… now I understand! The sun warms the Earth, and the warmer oceans cause CO2 to be emitted from coal-fired power plants, oil-fired engines, etc.

    The sun warms the Earth, and the warmer oceans cause the livestock humans are raising to burp methane?

    The sun warms the Earth, and the warmer oceans caused humans to invent CFC’s (a potent GHG) for air-conditioning? /sarcasm OFF

    Someone should explain to the good Dr. Hayden that the CO2 released by warming oceans in the past AMPLIFIED the warming. The CO2 was both a cause, and effect of warming.

  77. James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    SPAM TEXT

  78. Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-01-09-us-soldiers_N.htm

    BAGHDAD (AP) — Nine American soldiers were killed in the first two days of a new American drive to kill al-Qaeda in Iraq fighters holed up in districts north of the capital, the U.S. military said Wednesday.

    Six soldiers were killed and four were wounded Wednesday in a booby-trapped house in Diyala province, where joint U.S.-Iraqi forces were driving through a difficult web of lush palm and citrus groves, farmland and fertile river bottoms.

    The military also announced that three U.S. soldiers were killed and two were wounded Tuesday in an attack in Salahuddin province. The operation began Tuesday.

    *****

    That makes 3,911 since March ‘03.

  79. littlejohn
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    test

  80. littlejohn
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    test

  81. littlejohn
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink


    test

  82. Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Given that we’ve lost an average of 68 American soldiers a month, it looks like we could easily hit 4,000 dead in the five years of fighting.

    “Mission Accomplished”

  83. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Just had some more blown up today in a booby trapped house N. of Baghdad. (Close eyes, chant Surge is Working, Surge is Working).

  84. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Guess I shouldn’t post before reading!

  85. Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Fine with me, Phantom.

    Worth saying twice.

    In fact we ought to say it three thousand nine hundred and eleven times.

    Also, that figure does not include the American “contractors” (mercenaries) in Iraq–they constitute the second largest force after ours in the rapidly shrinking “coalition of the willing.”

    Britain and Australia have vowed to pull out. Spain and Italy are already long gone.

  86. James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    asdf

    the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog

    ABDCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

    Mary had a little lamb its name was CapnAmerica

    Flocky Bocky Rocky Socky

  87. Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Nearly four thousand American dead . . . and not a single casket shown on television.

    Way to honor the patriotic dead, REPUKES.

    :roll:

  88. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    ‘Howard Hayden, Energy Advocate’
    http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1132
    “Hayden and CFACT
    Hayden sits on the “Board of Academic and Scientific Advisors” of a US think tank called Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT). Also on the board are many other well-known climate change “skeptics,” including Sallie Baliunas, Robert Balling, Sherwood Idso and Patrick Michaels.
    ExxonMobil has contributed $472,000 to CFACT over the last 7 years. Founded in 1985, CFACT has been critical of government regulation on many issues, including the o-zone layer, mercury emissions, global warming, toxic waste and the use of pesticides.

    Research on climate change
    Hayden is a retired professor of physics and has been published in peer-reviewed journals. However, according to a search of 22,000 academic journals, Hayden has not published any research in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of human-induced climate change.”

    More at link about Hayden and his newsletter “Energy Advocate”, NRSP, and the ozone layer.

  89. James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    if you’re tired of dealing with burnt saucepans or you’re just looking for a faster way to make breakfast, scrambling eggs in a microwave is a quick and easy.

    Ingredients

    * 2 eggs per person
    * 1 tablespoon water per egg (optional, see Tips below)
    * 1 tablespoon butter or cooking spray
    * Salt and pepper

    # Spray or grease a microwave safe bowl with cooking spray or butter. If you do this, the egg batter will not stick to the bowl in the cooking process.
    #
    Crack eggs into the bowl. Whip them with a fork or whisk.
    # Place in the microwave and cook for 30 seconds. Remove, as they will be partially formed (see Warnings below). Use your fork and stir them gently, so that the uncooked blends in with the still loose egg. Set the eggs back in the microwave.
    #
    Microwave the eggs for about 10 seconds and check them. If they’re not ready for your taste or are too liquidly, stir and break up the egg with a fork and place back in the microwave for a few more seconds.
    #
    Microwave for 10 second intervals until you get more solid egg than liquid. Be sure not to overcook or burn the eggs.

    Tips

    * The above instructions are for 2 eggs. Increase the cooking time for more eggs.
    * Water produces a lighter egg, while milk or cream produces a smoother, creamier egg. Personal preference is the deciding factor.
    * After the first minute, you need to keep an eye on the eggs to avoid overcooking.
    * Let the eggs cool in the fridge and mix with mayonnaise for quick sandwiches.
    * Adding salt early in the cooking process will greatly reduce the amount needed later to improve flavour.
    * Just remember that if you want to eat the eggs with something else, but need to heat that item, microwave it separately from the eggs. The eggs will continue to cook and may turn crispy and brown while heating.
    * Fresh ground pepper tastes best on scrambled eggs, and there’s no excuse for not having a grinder (even for starving students) now that spice companies offer peppercorns in an inexpensive disposable grinder bottle.

    Warnings

    * The bowl can get very hot.
    * Use oven gloves or a cloth when handling.
    * Cover with a paper plate sometimes they explode.
    * Never try to microwave an egg in the shell. It will explode and make a very big mess.

    Things You’ll Need

    * non-metallic mixing bowl
    * whisk/fork
    * microwave

  90. Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Okay, off to do some “obligations.”

    ?? ????????, ?????????

  91. Ben PhD LG
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    “The sun heats up the Earth and the oceans warm up and atmospheric carbon dioxide rises.”

    That is called a positive feedback loop. We trigger warming by some effect – be it Milankovitch, anthropogenic CO2 – then the feedbacks accellerate the effect. It is well explained in paleoclimatology textbooks.

  92. Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Oops, the new site won’t print Russian–

    supposed to be “Das Vedanya, Comrades.”

  93. Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Actually, I’ve been cooking eggs in the microwave for quite a while now, JM.

    Don’t try to hard boil them in the shell though–KA BOOM!

  94. outlander
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Nearly four thousand American dead . . . and not a single casket shown on television.

    Way to honor the patriotic dead, REPUKES.

    ———-

    Save it CapnHalftruth. Everyone knows that your concern is not honoring the servicemen, but using the images. And where the hell do you get off blaming the Republicans when 90% of the MSM are registered Democrats?

    Maybe you could have the press violate a few military families privacy at a funeral. Catch a few tears. That might be helpful to your socialist cause.

  95. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    Right… but look at the other part of Hayden’s claim.

    “A higher concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, he said, does not cause the Earth to be warmer. Instead,” he said, “a warmer Earth causes the higher carbon dioxide levels.” “

  96. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    More about CFACT (Howard Hayden) at,
    http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=25
    “CFACT received $710, 000 between 1991 and 2002 from Richard Mellon Scaife controlled foundations, the Carthage Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation.
    … Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow has received $542,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.”

  97. James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    WILSON, Kan. — A small-town police chief has been fired after he was convicted of stealing beer from the fire department’s refrigerator.

    The city council in Wilson on Monday fired chief Brian Hill, effective Jan. 25. He has the option of a hearing within the next two weeks.

    Hill was arrested Aug. 1 after a surveillance tape showed him taking the beer. He was convicted of misdemeanor theft on Dec. 26 and given probation. He had been suspended without pay pending an appeal of the conviction.

    Authorities did not disclose how much beer was stolen, or why it was in the fire department. A warrant put the value of the beer at less than $1,000.

    The two departments share a building, and the door separating the offices usually was unlocked, officials said.

    The only person by the name of Brian Hill in the Wilson area has an unlisted phone number, so he could not be reached for comment.

  98. Ben PhD LG
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    On that he is obviously incorrect. My point is that PAST cycles were triggered by something other than CO2 and then accellerated by CO2 feedback. The current excursion far outside the range of the Milankovitch Cycles has been triggered by anthropogenic CO2 and is now being accellerated by the feedback loop.

    An interesting Figure. Note the concentration ‘Today’ far above the previous high-low range:

    http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical02.jsp

  99. Ben
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    James – I’m surprised they didn’t just let the firefighters ‘take care’ of the matter.

  100. James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Unsustainable Environmentalism

    Sunday, February 18, 2007

    By Steven Milloy

    Environmental activists use the term “sustainable development” to convey the notion that they’re not merely knee-jerk anti-business zealots and that they are all in favor of eco-friendly economic development.

    That term is put to the test in a new documentary entitled “Mine Your Own Business.”

    Made by Phelim McAleer, a former Financial Times correspondent, and wife Ann McElhinney, a fellow at the nonprofit Moving Pictures Institute, the film spotlights the efforts of environmentalists to block economic development projects in Eastern Europe, Africa and Latin America.

    The film starts out in the remote and desolate Romanian village of Rosia Montana, home to a most eco-unfriendly state-run mine. Gabriel Resources, a Canadian Mining Company, is trying to open a new gold mine that meets or exceeds strict European Union standards, but it runs into opposition, not from local villagers, but from first-world non-governmental organizations (NGOs) such as Greenpeace.

    The NGOs, who don’t seem particularly bothered by the poorly-operated state-owned mine, take the position in the film that the poverty-stricken residents of Rosia Montana don’t need any economic opportunity and, instead, are willing to settle for being “poor but happy.”

    The film then moves to Madagascar where another development project is opposed by the World Wildlife Fund. In an interview that must be seen to be believed, the WWF spokesman defends his opposition to the project by noting that it would only bring stress to the lives of the local population. According to the WWF spokesman, the locals would rather sit around and smile than be burdened with economic progress, or in the alternative, would simply fritter their newfound wealth away on first-world decadence like beer, stereos and jeans.

    The film winds up in Chile where NGO activists point to local opposition to a proposed mining project. But “Mine Your Own Business” exposes this local opposition as nothing more than nearby landowners who don’t want to lose their employees to the higher-paying jobs created by the mining company.

    The power of the movie’s message is such that Greenpeace tried to block its Washington, DC premiere by pressuring the National Geographic Society to deny the Motion Picture Institute use of the Society’s movie auditorium.

    Environmentalists have criticized the movie as being a propaganda film funded by Gabriel Resources. But while the idea to do a movie about sustainable development was the brainchild of Gabriel Resources CEO Alan Hill, filmmakers McAleer and McElhinney only agreed to do the movie if the company had no editorial control over the film.

    If anything, “Mine Your Own Business” only scratches the surface of the problem; the film depicts but a microcosm of the tyranny exercised by NGOs over the developing world.

    NGOs, for example, have recently acquired the ability to veto third-world development through their influence over first-world banks.

    Many banks have signed on to the environmentalist-promoted Equator Principles, which ostensibly are guidelines to ensure that third-world development projects occur in an “eco-friendly” manner. In practice, however, the Equator Principles, serve more as a means for NGOs to stop most economic development projects.

    Banking giant Citigroup, for example, has implemented the Equator Principles, much to the detriment of the developing world. According to a 2005 Citigroup report, the bank denied financing to 54 of the 74 projects reviewed according to the Equator Principles – projects worth as much as $75 billion in financing and that are economically sound.

    Not only do the Equator Principles deny first-world funding to developing nations, they also drive desperately poor nations to seek financing from alternative (and less desirable) sources like China – which is not known to apply first-world environmental standards to the projects it finances.

    In another example, NGOs stopped what would have been the largest-ever sustainable forestry project in Tierra del Fuego, Chile. The Washington state-based timber company Trillium Corporation purchased 800,000 acres in Chile and Argentina in 1993. Although Trillium could have clear-cut the forest at the time, it instead tried to work with NGOs to develop its sustainable forestry project of which it was rightfully proud.

    The NGOs spent the next nine years blocking the project. One of Trillium’s key lenders fell into financial difficulty and had to auction the loans that were secured by Trillium’s land, allowing Goldman Sachs to swoop in and buy the notes, foreclose Trillium’s mortgage and then donate the land to the Wildlife Conservation Society – a controversial use of shareholder assets that has been criticized by myself and others.

    Needless to say, the Tierra del Fuego land won’t be developed, Chileans won’t be employed and the world was deprived of a much needed example of the ever-elusive “sustainable development.”

    Though I have looked, I have yet to find a significant development project anywhere in the world that environmentalists and their NGO allies support as “sustainable.” “Mine Your Own Business” is a terrific effort at documenting that fact.

    Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and CSRWatch.com. He is a junk science expert, and advocate of free enterprise and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

  101. Ben PhD LG
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    He is a junk science expert,

    Yea, he is an expert at doing junk science.

  102. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    That’s a good graph… and ‘Today’ is “off-the-chart, and rising fast.

    IIRC, Dr Hansen thought, before the ice-core data showed CO2 lagged temperature rises, that ocean CO2 would be needed to amplilfy what Milankovitch Cycles triggered.

    There was not enough heat energy in just the orbit and albedo changes (loss of ice).

  103. Ben PhD LG
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    That is correct cosmos. The orbital changes are quite subtle – it is the feedback that makes it work. In today’s case the trigger is actually much larger than in Milankovitch.

    It’s not just ocean CO2 but also teresstrial CO2. Increase spodisols and histosols (soils that contain a lot of carbon) and decrease CO2. Convert them to aridisols (release the carbon) and increase CO2.

    Vegetation pattern changes also play a role.

  104. Max
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    The Socialist Democrat Majority Congress has given itself a pay raise.

    They did such a great job too!

    Big Accomplishments:

    - They should probably start working on the 2008-09 budget that is due on 10/1/08, since they didn’t pass last year’s budgets until this year.

    - Voted twice to fund the Iraq war some more.

    - Voted late (December) to fix the Alternative Minimum Tax for 2007. This late legislation will delay tax refunds for a couple of months for all tax filers getting a refund.

    - Oh, and they raised the minimum wage for JR!
    —————————————————————————————————-

    Congress, Justices, Vice President Get 2.5 Percent Pay Raise
    Wednesday, January 09, 2008

    E-Mail Print Digg This! del.icio.us
    WASHINGTON — Fortunately for members of Congress, their pay isn’t tied to their approval ratings.

    Lawmakers in 2008 will receive salaries of $169,300, a boost of $4,100 over the pay they have lived with since January 2006.

    That 2.5 percent increase is mirrored by similar raises for associate justices of the Supreme Court, who will see their pay go from $203,000 to $208,100, and Chief Justice John Roberts, whose pay will rise to $217,400 from $212,100.

  105. James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Al Gore Getting Rich Spreading Global Warming Hysteria With Media’s Help

    or How Al Gore went from 1 million to 100 million in wealth in 7 years scamming consumers

    August 2007 just two months ago, ABC News.com estimated soon-to-be-Nobel Laureate Al Gore’s net worth at $100 million, which isn’t bad considering that he was supposedly worth about $1 million when he watched George W. Bush get sworn in as president in January 2001.

    Talk about your get-rich-quick schemes, how’d you like to increase your net worth 10,000 percent in less than seven years?

    Al Gore is chairman and founder of a private equity firm called Generation Investment Management (GIM). According to Gore, the London-based firm invests money from institutions and wealthy investors in companies that are going green. “Generation Investment Management, purchases — but isn’t a provider of — carbon dioxide offsets,” said spokesman Richard Campbell in a March 7 report by CNSNews.

    GIM appears to have considerable influence over the major carbon-credit trading firms that currently exist: the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) in the U.S. and the Carbon Neutral Company (CNC) in Great Britain. CCX is the only firm in the U.S. that claims to trade carbon credits.

    As GIM chairman, Gore has not been forthcoming, according to Forbes magazine. Little is known about his firm’s finances, where it gets funding and what projects it supports.

    Environmentalist groups disparage Gore and his investment banker friends. They say the Gore group caters to others who share their financial interest in the carbon-exchange concept. The bulletin of the World Rainforest Movement says that members of a United Nations-sponsored group called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) stand to gain by approving Gore’s carbon-trading enterprise. The IPCC has devised what it says is a scientific measure of the impact of greenhouse gases on global warming. In fact, the critics charge, the IPCC sanctions a mechanism that mainly promotes the sham concept of carbon exchange.

    The global non-profit organization Winrock International is an example of one IPCC panel member that seeks out groups and individuals with an interest in carbon trading. Arkansas-based Winrock provides worldwide “carbon-advisory services.” Winrock has received government grants from the EPA, USAID and the Departments of Labor, State and Commerce, as well as from the Nature Conservancy (whose chairman used to be Henry Paulson). Winrock argues that cap-and-trade carbon trading is the best way to prevent a climate change crisis. But consider this: When a non-profit group takes money from oil companies and advocates drilling for oil as a solution to energy shortages, it is certain to be attacked as a tool of Big Oil. So far, the groups linked to Al Gore have avoided similar scrutiny.

    In June 2006, the World Bank announced that it, too, had joined CCX, saying that it intended to offset its greenhouse gas emissions by purchasing emission credits through CCX. The bank says its credits would contribute to restoring 4,600 hectares of degraded pastureland in Costa Rica. Somehow, CCX has figured out that this is an amount equivalent to 22,000 metric tons of emission that the bank calculates are created by its activities.

    A World Bank blog called the Private Sector Development Blog regularly features items touting Al Gore and the concept of carbon credits. Its articles typically announce corporate “green” initiatives in which carbon credits are said to cancel out “bad” CO2 emissions released by a company’s activities.

    In fact, the World Bank now operates a Carbon Finance Unit that conducts research on how to develop and trade carbon credits. The bank works with Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark and Spain to set up carbon-credit funds in each country to purchase emission credits from firms for use in developing countries. In addition, it runs the Carbon Fund for Europe helping countries meet their Kyoto Protocol requirements. These funds are traded on the ECX (half of which is owned by CCX, itself a creature of Al Gore’s firm, Generation Investment Management). Can we connect the dots?

    So it seems banks and investment houses are going green, eager to enter an emerging emissions market. Meanwhile, environmentalists are discovering new ways to get rich while believing they are saving polar bears and rainforests.

    Add it all up, Al Gore really is perpetrating a scheme that could end up being much more costly to Americans than anything Ken Lay did. As if that’s not bad enough, our media are totally complicit rather than doing their jobs exposing the scam.

    I don’t know about you, but suddenly I need another shower.

    —Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

  106. mrcontroversy
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    As if there’s any doubt the Good Old (Boy) days are back in City Hall:
    Wichita Mayor Carl Brewer will present the 2008 State of the City Address at 6 p.m. on Tuesday, Jan.15, in the Wichita City Council Chamber at City Hall, 455 N. Main.
    In his first State of the City Address, Mayor Brewer will identify community challenges, outline Wichita City Council goals and share his vision for the city. His address will include Core Priorities such as 1) Government Accountability, 2) Economic Development, 3) A Healthy and Sustainable Community and 4) Strong Neighborhoods.
    The address will be broadcast live on City Government Cable Channel 7.
    “A State of the City address is an opportunity for the mayor to sharpen the community’s focus on lingering issues, emerging challenges and common goals and values,” Mayor Brewer said. “It’s a chance for us to collectively reflect on our past and look with optimism to our future.”
    A reception on the first floor of City Hall will follow the address, which is open to the public. An estimated 1,400 invitations were mailed to residents and luminaries in the Wichita area and across the state. The Council Chamber seats 354; seating will also be available in overflow areas to be determined.
    Will the mayor give us his latest plan on the War in Iraq?

  107. Steven Davis
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    “Maybe you could have the press violate a few military families privacy at a funeral. Catch a few tears. That might be helpful to your socialist cause.”

    Helpful in what way??? Not getting that one outlander.

  108. Posted January 9, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html

    Glenn Greenwald:

    Brokaw’s sudden, embarrassment-driven request for the media to act differently (where has his sermon been for the last 20 years?) will not have the slightest effect on what they do. It can’t, because the media stars and their editors and producers who shape coverage aren’t capable of anything else. They’re selected and in those positions precisely because this is all they’re capable of doing.

    Are Gloria Borger and Chris Matthews and Howard Fineman and Wolf Blitzer suddenly going to abandon their desire to impose shallow, melodramatic narratives on our elections and spend their time, instead, analyzing the candidates’ responses to Charlie Savage’s questionnaire on presidential power, or the dominant, corrosive role lobbyists and large corporations play in our political culture, or the widening rich-poor gap, or the strain and stain on our country from our imperial policies? The question is so absurd, so laughable, that to ask it is to answer it. None of them could remotely do that even if they wanted to, even if they were allowed to, and they don’t and aren’t.

    As I wrote the other day after Mike Huckabee’s Iowa win, which was preceded by our media geniuses’ collective, condescending declarations of his death:

    It’s a reminder that the political prattle that spews forth from group-think media stars without end and which consumes our political dialogue for a full year is based on absolutely nothing. Also, most predictive “analysis” from the media stars’ cousins, the cogs in the right-wing noise machine, is merely self-absorbed wishful thinking masquerading as objective knowledge. . . .

    One knows much more by ignoring and tuning all of this out. But for a full year, our mainstream political dialogue is filled with all of this — in every leading political magazine and news show — at the expense of anything that is actually real.

    But none of this can be different, at least not in the short-term. Our entire media edifice is structured to operate the Drudgian Freak Show and its stars are the ringleaders, chosen for their affinity for it. In that sense, Matthews really is right and Brokaw absurdly wrong, almost delusional. If our media stars ceased spewing the type of worthless (though destructive) chatter that (when directed at Hillary Clinton) has been more apparent in the last week than it has been for a long time, they’d be left with nothing to do. As Matthews says, if they didn’t do that, they might as well stay home. It’s who they are.

  109. ken
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    “Al Gore Getting Rich Spreading Global Warming Hysteria With Media’s Help”

    Sounds like capitalism at work — I got mine and I want yours too — so whats the problem ?

  110. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Hey Hank Price!

    Why did Dr. Howard Hayden attack only Al Gore for his claim re CO2 and temperatures in the past?

    Why didn’t Hayden also attack all of the credible climate scientists that Gore relied on for his claim.

    ‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2

    Perhaps the good Dr. Hayden is confused about climate science? Or unable to do simple research? Or…?

  111. NN
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Captamerica: When Canadain Forces bodybags or coffins return home there is full coverage by the media with the overpasses of the roads the motorcades traverse filled with people silently holding flags with firefighters/cops/veterans saluting, etc. The Brits and do something similar I think. The new conservative government tried to stop coverage of the bodies coming back from Afganistan originally, but the media and public just told them to stuff it. I’ve wondered why American sacrifices, so much greater than ours, don’t get public acknowledgement of that sacrifice. Just a question, not a comparison nor a complaint of things Americana

  112. James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Why did Dr. Howard Hayden attack only Al Gore for his claim re CO2 and temperatures in the past? cosmos Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    That’s an easy one cosmos. Gore is using chumps like you and others to spread the word, so he can become filthy rich.

    As demonstrated in the below post.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-19-2/#comment-270579

  113. The Phantom
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    CIA’s Rodriquez won’t testify w/http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_videotapes_16o immunity!

  114. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    Thank you for the reply,
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-19-2/#comment-270576

    And also methane and nitrous oxide feedbacks.

  115. cosmos
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    The RealClimate link I posted at 9:36 pm has this,

    “Second, the idea that there might be a lag of CO2 concentrations behind temperature change (during glacial-interglacial climate changes) is hardly new to the climate science community. Indeed, Claude Lorius, Jim Hansen and others essentially predicted this finding fully 17 years ago, in a landmark paper that addressed the cause of temperature change observed in Antarctic ice core records, well before the data showed that CO2 might lag temperature. In that paper (Lorius et al., 1990), they say that:

    changes in the CO2 and CH4 content have played a significant part in the glacial-interglacial climate changes by amplifying, together with the growth and decay of the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets, the relatively weak orbital forcing
    ——-

    It was predicted in 1990, but the good Dr. Hayden still doesn’t seem to know about it?

  116. Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    JM–

    Maybe you can help me with a problem I’ve got with my Internet Explorer.

    It wants to save all my photos as bitmap or .art format files.

    I went to the MS Information site, and it said to remove downloaded program files and clean out the temp internet files . . . okay fine.

    Still doesn’t work.

    What do you think about just un-installing the program and re-installing it?

  117. J R
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    James I am not a doctor or any other sort of professional. I AM a good observer of human nature.

    We had some posters before. Crusader X, LRB, you can go back and look.

    They had their demons. They left this forum or were otherwise removed from it.

    I like to think they found help and peace.

    You should search for the same.

  118. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    cosmos
    Posted January 7, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “Credible science is done using peer-review.”

    cosmos admits that Ben is not credible because Ben has not done any peer-reviewed science on AGW.

    ***************************
    cosmos admits that AGW computer climate models cannot predict future climate changes because it is too complex.

    cosmos
    Posted January 8, 2008 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    “Climate is too complex for accurate predictions.”

    “Which is precisely WHY humans should NOT be altering Earth’s climate, by causing large increases in GHG’s.

    If humans could accurately “predict” the climate damage our GHG’s will cause in the future, we could just plan for it, and adapt.”

  119. cosmos
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Looks like it’s James McCluer meltdown time.

    Again…

  120. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    cosmos admits he hides behind a false nic because cosmos is not a scientist.

    cosmos is a paid shill for Al Gore’s U.N. and profit driven AGW and cosmos has to deny it.

    cosmos’s motive is profit and political power, not concern for the earth.

  121. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    cosmos is a liar. He falsely claims the accuracy of computer climate models in one breath and then denies in the next.

    “I’ve posted before that the climate models are
    flawed.

    And I’ve posted that the huge UNCERTAINTY re
    future climate is the main problem.

    If we knew EXACTLY how much it’d warm, how much
    the sea level would rise, we could plan for it.”

    Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
    00000000000000

    It’s impossible to include all of the unknown,
    natural positive feedbacks in the climate models.

    cosmos
    Posted October 26, 2007 at 2:37 pm

  122. Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    What a sad, sad meltdown on the Blog!

  123. Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    *******
    James McCluer
    Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:19 pm | Permalink
    Actually I haven’t Steven Davis.

    I posted here as Regular causing no problems.

    It was your buddies that stirred it up.

    Blame them for dredging stuff up.

    Now you’re stuck with me, because your buddies couldn’t keep their pie holes shut.
    ********

    Again, this person’s behavior is the responsibility of others. Not a big surprise. A life where people you don’t even know are in control must be very scary and unpleasant.

  124. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:46 am
    “Again, this person’s behavior is the responsibility of others. Not a big surprise. A life where people you don’t even know are in control must be very scary and unpleasant.”

    When you get criminally stalked on and off line by a group of people who claim the Wichita Eagle Blog as their turf, let me know, we can compare notes on behavior reactions.

    As I stated before, I wasn’t bothering anyone on this new blog. Your buddies were the one that kept stirring things up, bringing up old issues.

    CraponAmerica’s continued decision to remain anonymous on this blog without using his real name shows his lack of manhood that he is unwilling to take responsibility for his accusations and actions.

    You and your buddies know that you are dead wrong, so you call me mentally ill and having a melt down.

    It appears I’m dealing with the truth better than your losers friends which you are a part of.

  125. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    “criminally stalked”

    So, when do they stand trial?

  126. Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Yeah, when is the trial? I want to hear about these “crimes” in detail.

  127. Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    You are the victim of no criminal wrong-doing, so please either file suit or shut the hell up.

    You outed yourself when you chose to troll-post under yet another nic that used part of your own name “mclue*”

    It was a short step for someone posting under “Huh?” to google your old e-mail address which you stupidly linked to a public website with your name and address.

    That’s not criminal. That’s just dumb.

    The Eagle can’t be responsible for the guy who tries to out everyone he disagrees with (KSfrmgrrl, JR, Ken, Tom) for letting himself get outed.

    If you didn’t want your identity to be revealed, then you shouldn’t have posted under bits and pieces of your own name.

    Good luck with that law suit.

    And that’s all I’m going to say in response to that.

  128. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    I never put my name on this Website ever until yesterday. One of the stalkers did that. I never put my email on this website, one of the stalkers did that.

    The person who retrieved the data from another website got that from a private corporate website which was part of their sales administration. They have been notified and are tracking the IPs of people who have illegally used data stored for their customers.

    Making excuses for yourself and your buddies doesn’t cut it Capn.

  129. Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I didn’t post any information here about you from any other website, so even if true (which coming from you is a huge stretch, Mississippi Boy), I can’t possibly be held responsible.

    Sue the company that was supposed to keep your information “private” as you claim. It’s not somebody’s fault if your information comes up in a google search. The internet is like the phone book–if you don’t want people to see it, then don’t post it where they can see it.

  130. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Looking here:

    http://www.kansas.com/news/crimecourts/

  131. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:18 am

    “The internet is like the phone book–if you don’t want people to see it, then don’t post it where they can see it.”

    That’s right it is and thanks for making that analogy.

    The Internet also like the phone book doesn’t allow for revenge minded people like you or your buddies to use it for purposes of harassment. It is against the law and its called stalking.

    And you are a liar about not posting anything about me here, you have done it dozens of time.

    You even posted my private email address and even admitted it when you stated you wouldn’t have posted it if you would have known those archives to have been inactive.

    I have it all recorded and saved, so don’t try and lie your way out of this.

  132. Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    I’m not a lawyer, James, but to pursue a legal case, I think one has to prove harm.

    Since you cannot prove harm as a result of any posts on The WEBlog, you have no case.

    And with that, I bid WEBlog readers a fond farewell until later . . .

  133. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    #
    CapnAmerica
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    “I’m not a lawyer, James, but to pursue a legal case, I think one has to prove harm.

    Since you cannot prove harm as a result of any posts on The WEBlog, you have no case.

    And with that, I bid WEBlog readers a fond farewell until later . . .”

    Thank God for the fact you are not a lawyer or you would know that cyber stalking cases have been upheld in courts all across the land.

    The harm or potential for harm is not determined by direct effect, but indirect effects by displaying or misrepresentation where identity thieves and other factors may come into the case.

    The unauthorized release of a person’s identity, domestic residence and their activities is described in both cyber stalking and civil stalking statutes.

  134. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    #
    Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Looking here:

    http://www.kansas.com/news/crimecourts/

    What is that supposed to mean Ben?

    Do you see me in jail or being convicted?

    That wasn’t very subtle and it was of course false in comparing me to something that has nothing to do with me.

  135. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    No James – I was looking for the ‘other’ trial information. The one for ’stalking’.

    I never made any other comparisons; your statement “comparing me to something that has nothing to do with me.” is itself false.

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