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Glad they cancelled school, the teachers must be as adept at driving as they are of educating our children.

What am I saying? If .25 of an inch of snow falls, no one in this city can drive. jeeez.

The debate, as usual was the McRomney show.

I llok forward to the day when Dr. Paul has used the Republicans for what they are worth (getting him into the debates) and then bolting for the third party. By then he’ll have the name recognition and it won’t matter if he doesn’t have a “D” or “R” after his name. By and by the Repubs will say, “he’s going to pull a Perot and steal votes away from a REAL candidate” and maybe the same from Dems too. But I gotta ask why a “not viable candidate” like Ron Paul could have the power to do that?

Remember, he has no REAL support outside the internets right?

One damn inch of snow on the ground and they cancel school?

What do they cancel school for next? Clouds? Light wind?

Supposed to be more snow this afternoon, I think they said 4 inches or more total. A significant amount in which you don’t want a bunch of buses, moms and dads with cars and children walking.

Could McCain have looked like more of a &ucktard last night? Yeeeah, THAT’S who I want leading this naton.

Last night on “Entertainment Tonight” – I saw a horrible film. (Even more horrible than “Gigli”, if that’s possible.) It was a video of Heath Ledger – filmed at the Chateau Marmont in Hollywood in 2006 during the Academy Awards season. The talented thespian had been nominated for his performance in Brokeback Mountain, and his girlfriend and their three-month-old baby were residing in their suite – several floors up.

The video cleared showed Ledger and several drug buddies indulging in noxious substances – with the actor candidly admitting that “he shouldn’t be there” and that his “girlfriend would give him (crap) about it later.” One dopehead asked him the name of his newborn daughter. “Matilda Rose,” was Ledger’s answer. Sadly, the video isn’t a fake – but I sure wish it were.

As People magazine and other journalists are reporting, drug use and incessant partying contributed to Ledger’s and Michelle Williams’ breakup late last year. I’m confused and sad. I’m asking myself several questions today.

#1: If you are in love and that love is returned
in full measure – and a child is born to your
and your partner’s great joy – why do you
need or seek drugs? When I’m in love, that’s
a “high” that’s more pervasive than any
opiate painkiller I ever ingested.

#2: If you’re a highly paid actor and can afford
the best housing, child care, health care,
clothing, transportation – what in the
hellola is the attraction of icky drugs
that induce even ickier withdrawals?
I’m stumped on this one.

#3: If you have a family who loves you -
through good times and bad – why do you
have to #$%^ up your life at age 28?

I’m flabbergasted and flummoxed. I know – all too well – the allure of opioid painkillers. I’ve fought off addiction twice – once in 2002 and once in 2007. But I sure as hay-ull didn’t have a gorgeous actor boyfriend and an adorable two-year-old daughter. My family is nondescript, uninvolved and disinterested.

To be blunt – my life isn’t a mirror of Ledger’s. I’m a heckuva lot older (49); I’m much more world-weary; I’m much poorer; for all intents and purposes, I’ve got no family at all.

But the late actor and I have something in common: we both appreciate great art. And Ledger’s masterful performances will always resonate with me. What a tragedy that the great love he knew in life – and which was returned in abundance….coupled with his stellar talents, could not save him from the seductive and insidious attraction of dangerous drugs.

What a tragedy for those he left behind.

Well, I should have proofed that before clicking. Change “They’re” to “Their,” and make other needed corrections while you’re at it. Sorry.

Same message tho! VOTE! And pay close attention so you can see through the smoke and mirrors.

There are other considerations for closing schools. Roads need to be plowed (less traffic on road) Snow can melt and freeze, more hazardous. Snow days are planned for and utilized.

Parents of young children often think they are experienced drivers, when they are not and go too fast.

Police support for accidents becomes over-taxed. Already was a 10 car pileup on Kellogg this morning.

Children with special needs that ride those mini-buses have a particularly hard time as do their assistants.

Parking spaces for buses become obscured and creating hazardous.

And a lot of other things that can occur.

JR…why are you so upset about the school closing? Does it directly affect you, or are you just jealous that the kids get to stay home and you don’t?

When you look at the list of “wants” from the school board, start by asking questions such as:

Why do schools have to be so BIG? From high schools down to grade schools, why do they have to be so big? Does this add to the student’s chances of success?

There were some schools listed in an earlier newspaper article with lower student enrollment than capacity. Guess what? Those schools are now listed as “needing” additions!

If sites for schools haven’t even been selected TELL US AGAIN WHY the special election in May is necessary? In today’s paper, Martin Libhart, the district’s chief operations office is quoted as saying, “There is much to be studied before sites are chosen for any new schools.”

Smoke and mirrors. Look carefully! There are MANY more questions. There are few answers. And, most importantly, NONE of their requests for money is a solution to our school’s problems!

I’m wondering if they would have cancelled school in Colorado Springs with this much snow? I’m gonna call my cousin to find out but I’m guessing not. I’m positive that folks who live in the mountains drive in this small amount of snow to make it to school.

for all intents and purposes, I’ve got no family at all.

Y’know, that’s probably the saddest thing I’ve read on these blogs. Ya have my sympathy Film fan. If ya ain’t got family, anything else just doesn’t matter.

I think the school closing is a good thing myself. There’re enough crazies on the roads in Wichita. Add a plethora of harried mommies (3 screaming kids in the back seat, cell to her ear, nic stick in her lips and trying to get her mascara on just right) and just a touch of snow, with scrapers and sanders not knowing how to use stinkin’ blinkers…!

Linda, not sure if this is the why, but my guess is it’s cheaper to run one large school of x floor space than a dozen smaller schools of same floor.

JR…why are you so upset about the school closing?

My rider and I were discussing that on the way home from work today. He thought it was nuts, and they didn’t close school with this little snow on the ground. But with 15 years on his, I reflected that schools in his and my day were within WALKING distance, even in this weather. And this weather made you walk pretty stinkin’ fast. I related some of those kids in Wichita would have a 5 mile walk in this. I told him, I’m biased, bigoted, and prejudiced, but I think my kids are pretty good looking and I’d be concerned if they walked 5 miles in Wichita in GOOD weather.
He got my point and said he wouldn’t let my kids walk 5 blocks in Wichita. Y’all got a crazy town there.

I’m all for giving the schools more money, max, my wife teaches at 259 and i’ve subbed up there quite a bit. But I think it’s throwing money down the drain. With NCLB, stupid stinkin’ program pushed by a librarian, like she has a clue about education, all the regs and laws nowadays, and Reps pushing the voucher and private schools to keep the riff-raff ignorant, I don’t see public lasting much longer.

Some drastic changes are in order.

While I sometimes think the schools are gun-shy and close to quickly I also ponder this: How would I feel if one of my grandchildren were hurt or killed in an accident getting there.

Close the schools. If need be I’ll drive to my son’s house and play with the munchkins all day. Sure as heck would beat going to work!

:)

Ben you are enjoying this grandpa thing way too much!

For Christmas two of my grandkids gave me a T-shirt that reads “What happens at grandma’s stays at Grandma’s”. The stories we could tell. What fun!

Linda the Valentine people sounds like fun. I am at home with only my hubbie today and he thinks it is a perfect day to read and isn’t much fun.

ksgrm, I don’t think this is divulging any state secrets. The buildings did an interim facility needs study two years ago. Early this school year, the buildings updated these studies, which were submitted to the steering committee in November.

As a result of the interim study, the basic recommendations made to the Board were in place. The major difference, from memory, in what was found two years ago and that just presented, was that the Athletic facilities were given first priority two years ago, reduced to the second priority in this go round.

VT – so I gather you have studied this and think it makes sense?

VT that sounds good at first glance. My first thought on it would be: Have there been any studies on shifting demographics? Are we building/renovating schools in areas where the population is aging and therefore in the future the need won’t be there?

I still remember that we closed some fairly new facilities because of low student count a few years ago. Just my thoughts. I think the school board will have to do some real selling to get this one through. Hope they have their ducks all in a row.

ksgrm, I know that a considerable amount of time has been spent on consideration of the demographics points you make.

On the selling; pardon my cynicism here, but that’s one factor IMO in placing the athletic facility improvements at such a high priority. I think there are those involved who believe this will garner “yes” votes from folks who might otherwise be opposed, as well as “yes” votes from those who believe that the function of high schools is to provide athletic teams for them to watch.

ksgrm, building new facilities for the varsity teams does little, IMO, to improve physical activities of the student body as a whole. I agree that there needs to be an emphasis on this. Perhaps one way to attack it would be to require more than one credit of Phys Ed for high school graduation.

I’m not too sure if overall parental involvement in the schools is improved by having more events to attend. I say this as a former HS basketball player. It seemed to me “back in the day” that while the parents of most of the players attended the home games (mine didn’t) together with some of the students and townspeople, there was not any significant difference in parental involvement in the school itself, outside the athletic functions. Looking at TIS, where my wife works and I continue to be involved a bit even though our girls are long gone, there is a group of parents very involved in the athletics. There is a group of parents very involved in the other aspects of the school. While there is some commonality of the membership of these groups, given the size of the school, they often seem to be working at cross purposes as a whole.

I’m all for intramural activities, by the way. I’m not so sure that there is a real place in an academic institution for competitive athletics, given how that by necessity needs to work. I know the arguments for the same, but I question the premises underlying many of the arguments.

“For Christmas two of my grandkids gave me a T-shirt that reads ‘What happens at grandma’s stays at Grandma’s’. The stories we could tell. What fun!”

Which just goes to show you. What REALLY happens at Grandma’s house will be documented with pictures and discussed with everyone Grandma knows. ;-)

Republican (aka Regular) posted May 26, 2007 at 12:34 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f/#comment-239958

“The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”

The people who filed a lawsuit against the Corps disagree with JimmyMac — there’s no mention of the Sierra Club.

‘Judge tosses Katrina lawsuit against Engineer Corps’
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN30257740

And… the judge seems to agree with the plaintiffs, but the Corps is protected by a 1928 law.

Rajmund Przybylak
Department of Climatology

“The mean rate of warming for the period 1991-1995 was 2-3 times lower in the Arctic than the global average. Temperature levels observed in Greenland in the last 10-20 years are similar to those observed in the 19th century.”

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Variability and trends of air temperature and pressure in the Maritime Arctic, 1875-2000. Journal of Climate, 16, 2086-2092, 2003

Contributing Scientists:

Igor V. Polyakov
Roman V. Bekryaev
Uma S. Bhatt
Roger L. Colony
Alexander P. Maskshtas
David Walsh
International Arctic Research Center
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska

Genrikh V. Alekseev
Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute
St. Petersburg, Russia

Mark A. Johnson
Institute of Marine Science
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska

In contrast to the global and hemispheric temperature, the maritime Arctic temperature was higher in the late 1930s through the early 1940s than in the 1990s.”
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Seasonal and regional variation of pan-arctic surface air temperature over the instrumental record. Journal of Climate, 17, 3263-3282, 2003.

Scientists:

James. E. Overland
Harold O. Mofjeld
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Pacific Marine Laboratory
Seattle, Washington

Michael C. Spillane
Donald B. Percival
Muyin Wang
University of Washington
Seattle, Washington

With the exception of spring, the authors report that the current climate in the Arctic is not unique in the in the instrumental record (which begins in the late 1800s).

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Temperature Change in Alaska, 1949-2003

http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/ClimTrends/Change/4903Change.html

One thing for sure is that the earth’s climate has and will continue to change as a result of various natural and anthropogenic forcing mechanisms.

The period 1949 to 1975 was substantially colder than the period from 1977 to 2003, however since 1977 no additional warming has occurred in Alaska with the exception of Barrow and a few other locations.

In 1976, a stepwise shift appears in the temperature data, which corresponds to a phase shift of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation from a negative phase to a positive phase. Synoptic conditions with the positive phase tend to consist of increased southerly flow and warm air advection into Alaska during the winter, resulting in positive temperature anomalies.
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Manifestations of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation shift of 1976 within Alaskan climatology. Seventh Conference on Polar Meteorology and Oceanography and Joint Symposium on High-Latitude Climate Variations. May 12-16, 2003.

Scientists:

Brian Hartmann
Gerd Wendler
Alaska Climate Research Center
University of Alaska
Fairbanks, Alaska

Atmospheric circulation patterns associated with the 1976 PDO regime shift] explain the immense warming of 10°C observed in January from one decade to the next in thribution and thickness of annual sea ice, monthly surface air temperatures, and the onset of melt and freeze were within the present range of variability.”
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Has Arctic Sea Ice Rapidly Thinned? Journal of Climate, 15, 1691-1701, 2002.

Scientists:

Greg Holloway
Tessa Sou
Institute of Ocean Sciences
Sidney, British Columbia

“Reports based on submarine sonar data have suggested Arctic sea ice has thinned nearly by half in recent decades. Such rapid thinning is a concern for detection of global change and for Arctic regional impacts. Including atmospheric time series, ocean currents and river runoff into an ocean-ice-snow model show that the inferred rapid thinning was unlikely. The problem stems from undersampling. Varying winds that readily redistribute Arctic ice create a recurring pattern whereby ice shifts between the central Arctic and peripheral regions, especially in the Canadian sector. Timing and tracks of the submarine surveys missed this dominant mode of variability.”
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Arctic Sea Ice Thickness Remained Constant during the 1990s. Geophysical Research Letters, 28, 1039-1041, 2001.

Scientist:

P. Windsor
Department of Oceanography, Earth Sciences Centre
Göteborg University
Göteborg, Sweden.

“The ice cover of the Arctic Ocean is considered to be a sensitive indicator of global climate change. Recent research, using submarine-based observations, suggests that the Arctic ice cover was thinner in the 1990s compared to an earlier period (1958-1979), and that it continued to decrease in thickness in the 1990s. Here I analyze subsurface ice thickness (draft) of Arctic sea ice from six submarine cruises from 1991 to 1997. This extensive data set shows that there was no trend towards a thinning ice cover during the 1990s. Data from the North Pole shows a slight increase in mean ice thickness, whereas the Beaufort Sea shows a small decrease, none of which are significant. Transects between the two areas from 76 N to 90 N also show near constant ice thicknesses, with a general spatial decrease from the Pole towards the Beaufort Sea. Combining the present results with those of an earlier study, I conclude that the mean ice thicknesnomalies and Trends of Sea-Ice Extent and Atmospheric Circulation in the Nordic Seas during the Period 1864-1998. Journal of Climate, 14, 255-254, 2001.s has remained on a near-constant level around the North Pole from 1986 to 1997.”
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Anomalies and Trends of Sea-Ice Extent and Atmospheric Circulation in the Nordic Seas during the Period 1864-1998. Journal of Climate, 14, 255-254, 2001.

Scientist:

Torgny Vijne
Norwegian Polar Institute
Oslo, Norway

Vinje constructed a 135-yr time series of sea ice extent in the Nordic Seas and found that while April sea ice extend has declined by about 33 percent during this period, more than half of the decline occurred before 1900. Vinje concluded that “the time series indicates that we are in a state of continued recovery from the cooling effects of the Little Ice Age, during which a maximum sea-ice expansion was observed around 1800, both in the Iceland Sea and the Barents Sea.”
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Arctic decadal and interdecadal variability. Geophysical Research Letters, 27, 4097-4100, 2000.

Scientists:

Igor V. Polyakov
Mark A. Johnson
University of Alaska
Fairbanks, Alaska

“The rapid reduction of arctic ice thickness in the 1990s may be one manifestation of the intense atmosphere and ice cyclonic circulation regime due to the synchronous actions of the AO [Arctic Oscillation] and LFO [low-frequency oscillation]. Our results suggest that the decadal AO and multi-decadal LFO drive large amplitude natural variability in the Arctic making a detection of possible long-term trends induced by greenhouse gas warming most difficult.”
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Global Warming and the Greenland Ice Sheet. Climatic Change, 63, 201-221, 2004.
Scientists:

Petr Chylek
Space and Remote Sensing Sciences
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Los Alamos, New Mexico

Jason E. Box
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, New Mexico

Glen Lesins
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia

“The Greenland surface air temperature trends over the past 50 years do not show persistent warming, in contrast to global average surface air temperatures. The Greenland coastal stations temperature trends over the second half of the past century generally exhibit a cooling tendency with superimposed decadal scale oscillations related to the NAO. At the Greenland ice sheet summit, the temperature record shows a decrease in the summer average temperature at the rate of about 2.2ºC/decade, suggesting that the Greenland ice sheet at high elevations does not follow the global warming trend either.

“A significant and rapid temperature increase was observed at all Greenland stations between 1920 and 1930. The average annual temperature rose between 2 and 4ºC in less than ten years. Since the change in anthropogenic production of greenhouses gases at that time was considerably lower than today, this rapid temperature increase suggests a large natural variability of the regional climate.

“High anticorrelations (r = -0.84 to -0.93) between the NAO index and the Greenland temperature records suggest a physical link between these processes. The recent negative shift of the NAO correlates with 1990s warming in Greenland. The NAO may play a crucial role in determining local Greenland climate during the 21st century; resulting in a local climate that may defy the global climate change. This possibility should be considered in models of ice sheet melt and future sea level rise. Forecasting changes in the NAO may be a primary factor in predicting the future Greenland ice sheet mass balance.”
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Recent cooling in coastal southern Greenland and relation with the North Atlantic Oscillation. Geophysical Research Letters, 30, doi:10.1029/2002GL015797, 2003.

Scientists:

Edward Hanna
Institute of Marine Studies
University of Plymouth

John Cappelen
Danish Meteorological Institute
Copenhagen, Denmark

“Analysis of new data for eight stations in coastal southern Greenland, 1958–2001, shows a significant cooling (trend-line change -1.29°C for the 44 years), as do sea-surface temperatures in the adjacent part of the Labrador Sea, in contrast to global warming (+0.53°C over the same period). The land and sea temperature series follow similar patterns and are strongly correlated but with no obvious lead/lag either way. This cooling is significantly inversely correlated with an increased phase of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) over the past few decades (r = -0.76), and will probably have significantly affected the mass balance of the Greenland Ice Sheet.”
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Open Letter to Senator McCain

Open Letter to Senator John McCain concerning the misuse of Science that occurred during the November 16th, 2004 hearing held before the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.

Over and over, you heard testimony from your panelists concerning the deteriorating state of the Arctic and its ecosystems, including its human inhabitants. Over and over you heard about how these systems got to be in their current condition—decades of warming presumably caused by worldwide reliance on fossil fuels as an energy source. No one told you that conditions in the Arctic were nearly as warm, as warm, or warmer, than they are now a mere 60 years ago. Therefore, if Arctic systems are presently struggling more so than in the past, it points to factors other than anthropogenic climate change as the root cause. Below is an international list of scientists whose published work indicates that the current Arctic warmth is of the same approximate magnitude as that of the 1930s and 1940s.

All of the above facts and findings were known by some, if not all of your panelists, yet none of them saw it fit to tell you. This is especially shameful because panelist Robert Corell, the lead scientist of the ACIA, and a senior figure in American science concluded by telling you that the ACIA report was unique because “it was all facts, no advocacy.” However, the process of carefully selecting some facts and excluding others, in an effort to tell a particular story, is advocacy, pure and simple. This is precisely the course taken in your hearing. The selective statements by your panelists and the personal and belittling attacks that you made during the course of the hearing can be construed as little more than a concerted and organized effort to quell open scientific discourse on this issue of climate change. While you, and your panelists, may defend these actions by claiming that you are doing this for the betterment of the planet and its future ability to support the human race, the fact of the matter is that in suppressing the freedoms to pursue Science and Truth, you imperil our future more than any climatic change possibly could.

And I would like to see talk about annexing the rest of Bel Aire to stop.
ksagnostic
Posted January 31, 2008 at 11:47 am

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I think a big part of WHERE they want to build some of those new schools is to ensure they keep this area in their tax base.

They want us to think there is some correlation with these new schools and the ending of busing. Anyone can look at he map and know these schools aren’t being built to benefit our black communities.

VERY IMPORTANT! Don’t let them get a low voter turnout by scheduling this election in the spring (at a cost of $75,000!). This will affect everyone, so please don’t let a few make the decision. Cast your vote!

Another interesting snippet from PBS:

http://verbena19.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/pbs-the-lost-civilisation-of-peru-tonight-at-8-pm-edt/

Dillehay now put together a new theory. The Moche had struggled through the climatic disasters but had been fatally weakened. The leadership – which at least in part claimed authority on the basis of being able to determine the weather – had lost its authority and control over its people.

Moche villages and and/or clan groups turned on each other in a battle for scare resources like food and land. The Moche replaced ritual battles and human sacrifices with civil war. Gradually they fought themselves into the grave.

Chas. posted January 30, 2008 at 9:43 pm on ‘Open 01/30′

“I know, KsAgnost…. But he has to be stopped from LYING day after day after day!!”

The editors are the only ones who can stop JimmyMac from lying — but they don’t seem to find his lying “otherwise objectionable”.

The editors don’t seem to mind if he:

Lies about national groups, such as the Sierra Club. See my post, 11:45 am upthread.

Lies about what the climate scientists say, re climate models, etc.

Lies about what I post. For example compare his “El Nino” comments at 2:49 am on ‘Open 01/30′ to my 7:10 pm post, and graph.

In short, ‘Regular’s’ posting lies on the WE Blog is acceptable behaviour.

Blog hosts or whom it may concern. Great job on the site. Very nice. A request… The navigation bar on the top, can we have one on the bottom too? In a very long thread, you have to scroll all the way back to the top to go *Home*.

The recent post area that appears only on the home page, can we have that in the threads too? What would be really nice is if that recent post bar could float and stay with you no matter where you are on the page. If this was developed with .net I can get you the code.

Regular posted January 31, 2008 at 11:49 am

“Global Warming and the Greenland Ice Sheet. Climatic Change, 63, 201-221, 2004.
Scientists:

Petr Chylek…”

JimmyMac, I gave you Chylek’s later paper last September. If you have trouble remembering, please take notes.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-915/#comment-186095
“Kansas,

Due you mean like your paper by Petr Chylek at,[link]

A later paper by him,’Ratio of the Greenland to global temperature change: Comparison of observations and climate modeling results [link]
“… Using this region as an indicator of Greenland’s temperature change that is related to global warming, we find that the ratio of the Greenland to global temperature change due to global warming is 2.2 in broad AGREEMENT with GCM predictions.” “

Which the utility would pass on to the consumers.

Speaking of… You write out that check cosmos, you GHG financier you

Cosmos, it is no different than any other taxes applied to a businees. about time you started to relizing it. the reason the Government likes corporate taxes is because they are hidden from the masses, companies embed there taxes in the cost of the product. so the masses pay even more in taxes then you will ever know….

BG,

The point is coal-fired electricity will be more expensive in the future. That should be carefully considered before building new coal plants.

‘Carbon Risk, Coal, and Higher Electricity Prices
Why coal-generated electricity will cost more than utilities claim’
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/fossil_fuels/carbon_risk.html

Cosmos I was just giving you a statement from the spouse of a prez candidate saying to stop GW we need to slow down the economy. What did I read wrong?

At least he is being honest which is refreshing in this debate.

Bill Clinton thinks that we need to slow down our economy? Is that one of those new ideas we are hearing about? We tie our retirement plans to the stock market by exchanging traditional pensions for stock dependent 401Ks and IRAs, and now the Mr. and Mrs Clinton want to slow down the economy?

Unbelievable.

Because he said so, cosmos.

“We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.” – Bill

“outlander” –

President Clinton’s comment isn’t all that different from John McCain’s promise that American jobs aren’t coming back and immigrants aren’t going home.

All economic and environmental evidence dictates (Hell, even George WMD Bush said “America is addicted to oil”), true conservatives know America’s future is gonna be shaped by how we deal with carbon-based energy. A few election cycles beginning in Iowa have promoted ethanol… and the act of literally burning our seed corn (re: the Tyson closing in Emporia) … to thie disadvantage of alternative renewable energy options.

The Kansas Republic Party is desperate to ressurect coal-powered power plants in Kansas for Colorado… simply for campaign donations; even as George WMD Bush himself has shut down federal efforts to devlope so-called “clean coal technology.” Because even Shrub knows there’s no such thing as “clean coal.”

You might as well try to sell us “sweet-tasting s#it.”

“President Clinton’s comment isn’t all that different from John McCain’s promise that American jobs aren’t coming back and immigrants aren’t going home.”

Actually it is “Monkeyhawk”. McCain doesn’t think a slowing economy is a GOOD thing. And Bill is talking out of both sides of his mouth again with the “million and millions and millions of jobs that Hillary’s plan will create. By his logic, if that doesn’t pan out, we have the slow down in the economy to look forward to.

Brilliant! Slow down the economy solve problems!

Is that Neanderthal Economics or Bean Counting with one finger?

My bad cosmos, I meant middle finger economics. :)

About that check cosmos…

Jst how green are you. No really, how green?

Bill Clinton said–
“If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her.”

Damn!

If only we could have had someone as President from 1992-2000 who could have help spur some of these programs. Someone who could have created the millions of jobs and weaned us off of Arab oil dependency and built a sustainable clean green economy and society.

Let’s see . . . who was President before Bush again?

ksgrm,

You’re interested in economics? Then read this,
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html

Well Cap you should read my post more often instead of jumping to conclusions. I have never mentioned Obama’s middle name. It isn’t important to me. I have stated publicly that I will vote Obama over McCain if that is my choice.

You spend so much time writing your asinine opinions that you turn off your think button.

I’m sure Hillary will be charming as usual this evening.

We shall be ravished with her beauty, and charmed by her charisma, and intrigued by her supreme intelligence.

Qustions for Hillary:

1. Hillary are you now for the war or against the war or for the war and against the war?

2. Hillary, will you withdraw US troops immediately or by 2013, or immediately or by 2013?

3. Hillary, do you support the 2nd Amendment or gun registration?

4. Hillary, do you support the 2nd Amendment or licensing of gun owners?

5. Hillary, do you support the 2nd Amendment or a ban on all semi-automatic firearms?

6. Hillary, what does the 2nd Amendment mean to you?

7. Hillary, is the entire US Constitution important or just certain parts of it?

8. Hillary, how much will HillaryCare! cost each month and what exactly does HillaryCare! cover and exclude?

9. Hillary, do you promise to balance the Federal budget?

10. Hillary, when you raise taxes on the rich, what income level do you consider to be rich?

11. Hillary do you support a border fence?

12. Hillary do you support illegal immigration continuing forever and will you support government benefits for illegal immigrants?

I’m gonna throw something out there that is starting to occur to me.

For year upon year, the cons have bashed on Senator Clinton.

Their radio generals started the campaign against Senator Clinton YEARS before she ever decided to run.

And the campaign rages on. Hannity is all over the Senator right now.

But for Obama? TOTAL pass.

So I get to wondering.

Young guy, good speaker. Inspiring and everything.

But such a meteoric rise to contest for the most powerful office on the planet. And now a call from same man for civility and unity.

I begin to smell a ringer. They reprogrammed Ronald Reagan. Maybe Obama is the latest incarnation?

KSGrm wrote just as Cosmos pointed out that–“We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”

That is not what he meant. He meant “We shouldn’t say that We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”

Which is obvious from the full quote that Cosmos posted.

And true to form down to the letter, Ksgrm comes back with no apology or explanation, but an attack on my post.

JUST FREAKING CLASSIC!

So cosmos, how green are you?

I think a better and honestly more fair question would be, are any of us green enough? Or, at least do we try our best to be?

Oh and please don’t tell me how changing some of our wasteful ways will “destroy the economy”.

Next time you want to throw that one out?

Ya MIGHT want to know that none other than Rush Limbaugh has signed and endorsement deal and DAILY and often pitches energy efficient water heaters.

So HE is making money on addressing global warming too.

I don’t think that is fair sol.

paulthecon is a shill.

cosmos just won’t give you guys the mud fight you want.

If you can bust him on a fact then DO it.

If he lies here Prove it.

But don’t whine because he presents you with facts.

But don’t whine because he presents you with facts.

Facts is what I crave. How green is cosmos. How much does s/he practice what s/he preaches?

ksgrm
Posted January 31, 2008 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Cap are you setting to close to the window? You might be getting snow blindness. What is with you and Chas that you insinuate yourself in others conversations and then get mad when you just don’t get it right.

*****

Truth really IS stranger than fiction. You can’t make this up.

All this snow across the Northern Hemisphere this year is disturbing cosmos’s average temperatures. :)

Sol?

Am I a hypocrite because I don’t drive an electric car?

I would if I could afford one. But I can’t so I don’t.

Well . . . that’s a fair question, JR.

Reich-wing radio didn’t seem to lash out at Edwards much either.

And his message was a bigger threat to the Ditto Heads.

So . . . I don’t know. Maybe they’ve just made the common mistake of believing their own propoganda.

It happens a lot during war time. We thought the Japanese could never surrender, and they thought that we would treat them like they treated our prisoners, so they refused to surrender.

Maybe the right-wing doesn’t know who they should be hating right now, after decades of bagging on the Clintons’.

JR – you aren’t over hyping GW either.

I just want you to stop and think Capn.

Just look around the blog.

Max doesn’t seem to have a problem with Obama. Neither of the Price’s have trashed him. paulthecon is on his usual agenda and hasn’t targeted Obama.

Why? Why does Obama get to fly under the radar?

Keep in mind Capn. Their demi god Reagan was a good guy too. But they reprogrammed him. They changed a union leader into a union smasher. They showed him what nice things he could have and got him on message that EVERYBODY could have nice things too if only the bad old Government would get out of the way.

JR, the repukes WANT to face obama in november so they can beat him like a rented mule.

And captain’s clinton derangement is playing right into their hands.

Briar Patch. Obama. You know the republican drill.

And a little article about how HUMANS are creating the water shortage in the west. Duh.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080131/ap_on_sc/climate_change_western_water

And as for the Holcomb plant being built?

Remember, I called it the day Bremby denied the permit. I said governor “leadership” would find a way to appear in public to not support the thing, but behind the scenes, she would find a way to get it built.

See also: Janis Lee, Eber Phelps and other Democrats.

They could pass this bill, she could veto it, they could override it. The plant gets built and she comes out smelling like a rose. Trust me. Insiders know she is doing NOTHING in the legislature to stop this.

And she looks green just in time to run with obama? Damn, I think they both have the same political coach.

Get minions to do what you can not. Disavow what the minions do, but do NOTHING to stop them.

I guess all that “inspiration” and “hope” both of them provide makes them able to have their cake and eat it too.

That Holcomb plant will be built. Because, uh, ya know, western Kansas’ legislators are sooooo powerful compared to the governor’s office…

Hey hey hey, they are opening the schools tonight for…sports activities. F*#king nice. No academics can be open but they’ll get things organized for the bullsh.t.

Gotta love it.

Pleefer, my sentiments exactly.

You guys are too tough on school administrators. They don’t have a crystal ball. The snowstorm was supposed to dump 5 to 7 inches here and it didn’t do it. So they should compound the error by canceling the games tonight?

J R,

I also agree with your 4:46 pm post… and very good points.

But it’s a shame that our media is so dysfunctional — like ksgrm’s article by Jake Tapper, that misquoted Bill Clinton.

A strong democracy needs accurately informed citizens.

Absolutely, they should have to cancel those as well. It’s more backwards thinking. But it makes perfect sense, they can’t do without the concessions money. Maybe a bus coming in from out of town will crash tonight, since that was a reason given for this morning’s cancellation.

I have a problem with all of the Socialists, including:

Clinton
Obama
McCain

“I have a problem with all of the Socialists, including:

“Clinton
“Obama
“McCain”

And there you have it folks. Anyone to the left of Max, at least on economic issues, is a socialist. Whenever Max posts, consider the source.

Ks,

Any candidate who has as primary objectives:

Redistribution of wealth
Expansion of Social Government programs

…is a Socialist.

The top 50% of taxpayers already pay 97% of the total Federal individual income tax. Yet Clinton and Obama want them to pay more. McCain says he wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, but he voted against them – twice.

National Healthcare is proposed by both Clinton and Obama at a time when this country is facing:

$9 Trillion+ in National Debt

Social Security and Medicare Fiscal Crisis with $40 Trillion+ in unfunded obligations

And Clinton/Obama have not offerred any solutions for either of these two enormous problems facing our nation.

When ksagnostic posts, don’t just consider her as the source, consider the lack of factual detail she has in anything she writes.

New Study: Ron Paul is the only candidate who would cut spending

By James W. Harris
January 31, 2008

Of all the Republican and Democratic candidates for president, only one is proposing to actually cut government spending.

That one is Ron Paul.

The rest – Republicans and Democrats alike – are proposing to *increase* government spending by anywhere from several billion to hundreds of billions of dollars.

That´s the startling conclusion of a comprehensive new study from the National Taxpayers Union Foundation (NTUF).

NTUF is the research arm of the 362,000-member National Taxpayers Union, a nonpartisan citizen group founded in 1969 that works for lower taxes and tax reform.

Their new study provides cost estimates — based on hard data — for more than 450 proposals by the presidential candidates. (A link to this study is at the end of this article.)

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/50846

Ahhh, a funeral to target.

Ashes to ashes
sand to sand

Now we commence
to burying Libi

Look up in the sky
and watch the bombs drop
from the US of A

foxnews.com

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Abu Laith al-Libi, a top Al-Qaeda commander in Afghanistan blamed for bombing a military base while U.S. Vice President Cheney was visiting last year, was killed in Pakistan by an airstrike late Monday or early Tuesday, a U.S. government official said Thursday.

I luv how ya gotta identify yourself now to identify the scams going on here. The silencing of the opposition continues.

JR,

My take on the Reps focusing more on Hillary and Obama is that Hillary is who THEY want to run. Why? They already have all the “dirty stuff” on the Clintons and will only have to recycle. They’ll have to work twice as hard to come up with stuff on Obama. ;)

I watched the debate tonight. Did I really hear Hillary say she’d work with the Republicans? Surely not! Because if she did, your one and only bias about choosing her over Obama is shot to he– uh, smithereens.

I’ve not seen the whole debate yet RD.

Let’s just say I’d rather it be Senator Clinton working ove…er with the Republicans than Obama.

Obama needs to be VP. That makes him President of the Senate. He can exercise his need to work with the minority party there.

Gotta go for now…

Blessings All!!

I will caucus RD.

I think I go to a school on Oliver. I’ll have to check.

Don’t know if anyone mentioned it above, but that Bathification bill bush touted as evidence of progress in his SOTU is reportedly going down.

Hank,

It’s a huge problem, this beer freezin up in winter.

I always thought the Ice Beer would be a solution to this problem.

I recently had some Belgium beer, can’t remember the name after having 3 of them, but it had 10.4% alcohol.

The breweries should develop high-octane winter batches with 10+ alcohol to solve this problem.

There outta be a law!

BTW, the higher alcohol content may also help prevent over heating of the beer in the summer months.