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Good morning fellow Kansan and Wichita Eagle readers and writers/responders. I have decided too stop the corruption in Kansas by filing an Impeachment request in Topeka against the following, Governor Sebelius, AG Morrison, DA Kline, DA {County Attorney Miller}, of Miami Co, DA {County Attorney Sutherland, of Linn Co, Treasurer Jenkins, and District Judge Amy L. Harth. I further am requesting to have a review into the removal of Sheriff Kelly as well as the Miami County Commisioners and the Paola City Councel. I also am going to request a review for the removal of Judge Shultz and City Attorney Tetwiller as well as some other local private and Government Employees who are breaking the Law. I will have this finalized and delivered too Topeka in the Capitol Office of the House of Representatives by Monday morning, January 7th 2008. I will keep you updated and hope too see results soon. Herbert West III, Publisher/Journalist. west.herb@yahoo.com
Oil rising to 100 dollars a barrel is an indication of the weakness of the dollar against gold and other foreign currency, the Euro in particular.
Ed: Is the weakening U.S. dollar the reason why the price of Campbell’s beef and barley soup escalates everytime I go to the Dillon’s on west Douglas?
If we were still using cash, it would take a bushel basket of money to buy groceries.
Isn’t this the sign of runway inflation?
Changing the subject, I am very concerned about the dangerous situation taking place in Kenya, Africa. Previously Kenya has been considered a peaceful country in east Africa, a kind of beacon in a dangerous part of the world.
Many Kenyans are seeking education in this country estimated to be some 30,000 or more. Some are living here in Wichita with families in danger in Kenya.
The current “riots” are caused by a national presidential election which seems to have been rigged at the last minute. As usual, two main groups each with a presidential candidate, are protesting the results.
Its my observation that Kenyans appreciate the U.S. and its democracy. Kenyans I know are very intelligent and hopefully will contribute to making Kenya a better place when they return home.
The U.S. should be participating in finding a solution in Kenya.
Geologist/Geochemist Dr. Tom V. Segalstad, a professor and head of the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo and formerly an expert reviewer with the UN IPCC, expressed skepticism of climate fears in 2007. A July 7, 2007 article in Canada’s Financial Post read,
“In the real world, as measurable by science, CO2 in the atmosphere and in the ocean reach a stable balance when the oceans contain 50 times as much CO2 as the atmosphere. ‘The IPCC postulates an atmospheric doubling of CO2, meaning that the oceans would need to receive 50 times more CO2 to obtain chemical equilibrium,’ explains Prof. Segalstad. ‘This total of 51 times the present amount of carbon in atmospheric CO2 exceeds the known reserves of fossil carbon– it represents more carbon than exists in all the coal, gas, and oil that we can exploit anywhere in the world.’” The article continued, “Also in the real world, Prof. Segalstad’s isotope mass balance calculations — a standard technique in science — show that if CO2 in the atmosphere had a lifetime of 50 to 200 years, as claimed by IPCC scientists, the atmosphere would necessarily have half of its current CO2 mass. Because this is a nonsensical outcome, the IPCC model postulates that half of the CO2 must be hiding somewhere, in ‘a missing sink.’ Many studies have sought this missing sink — a Holy Grail of climate science research– without success. ‘It is a search for a mythical CO2 sink to explain an immeasurable CO2 lifetime to fit a hypothetical CO2 computer model that purports to show that an impossible amount of fossil fuel burning is heating the atmosphere,’ Prof. Segalstad concludes. ‘It is all a fiction.’”
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=433b593b-6637-4a42-970b-bdef8947fa4e
Thanks Hank, I needed that dose of reality.
And the dollar is so weak now that by election day, we’ll have ourselves in a depression. YAY!
Jwink I agree with almost everything you said, it is troubling to see Kenya in such turmoil. I have know several Kenyans and I too found them to be intelligent and a peaceful people. Because of that it is one of the countries I have wanted to visit. Though we need to be careful from now on interfering with other countries governments. I do have faith in the Kenyan people, they will work it out.
The Associated Press reports to-day that Indian tourist sites are no longer accepting the dollar in payment, demanding the rupee instead pointing to the downward pressure on the greenback.
Rising Prices Put Pressure On Already Ailing Economy
Oil, Manufacturing Numbers Get Year Off to Bad Start
For anyone who is worried about the economy, 2008 is off to a lousy start.
The price of oil briefly rose to $100 a barrel for the first time yesterday and fresh evidence emerged that the economy is slowing. To investors, the news raised the specter of stagflation, the toxic mix of stagnant economic growth and price inflation that made for hard times in the 1970s.
“This is about as bad as it gets,” said Joel Naroff, president of the economic consulting firm Naroff Economic Advisors.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/02/AR2008010203033.html?hpid=moreheadlines
I’ve been saying for the past year that this was coming. The big question in my mind was whether this administration could hold it off until Bush left office, thus giving republicans cover to be able to blame the upcoming recession/depression on the next administration, probably Democrat. Well, it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. The stock market is poised to take a nose-dive, oil hovers at $100 per barrel, Housing is in the crapper, the credit market is down the tubes, and the dollar isn’t hardly worth the paper it’s printed on.
The only good that will come of this? We’ll be voting during a recession/depression and I doubt if voters will reward the GOP. In fact, this could spell the end of the GOP for the next generation.
Now let’s see you republicans blame this one on Clinton.
Yes, bad news, in this case the economy, is good for Democrats.
Except the Democrat Majority Congress is now driving the problem, not the solution.
The Clinton administration left office with a tidy surplus. The Bush administration will leave a recession/depression, a massive debt, a worthless dollar, and 2 wars that will go on for who knows how long.
Which party do we want to lead this country?
So what’s the solution, Max?… or is this thread just another opportunity for you to whine and moan about the libs and the democrats? Huh, Moaning Max?
Max,
What Democratic majority? In the Senate, there are only 49 Democrats – same as the number of Republicans. Do you honestly consider Joe Lieberman to be a Democrat? His own party kicked him out in the 2006 primary, and he ran as an independent. Plus, don’t pretend you don’t know it takes 60 votes to move anything in the Senate.
You go ahead and keep spinning. XXX is right – you will keep finding a way to blame the Clintons, or Democrats in general, for the complete failure of the Republican party.
“Except the Democrat Majority Congress is now driving the problem, not the solution.”
Yeah, right Max. You can sing that song all you want, but it won’t fool anybody. We all know what has brought this on.
The U.S. should be participating in finding a solution in Kenya.
Posted by: JWink | January 03, 2008 at 06:06 AM
Though we need to be careful from now on interfering with other countries governments. I do have faith in the Kenyan people, they will work it out.
Posted by: writerdog | January 03, 2008 at 08:03 AM
We must absolutely watch how we interfere with other countries’ governments. We have done a piss poor job of it so far. I think maybe it is time to go hands free on other people’s problems. As you have stated, the residence of said country are bright and intelligent. That is exactly what they need to solve this themselves.
The only good that will come of this? We’ll be voting during a recession/depression and I doubt if voters will reward the GOP. In fact, this could spell the end of the GOP for the next generation.
Posted by: XXX | January 03, 2008 at 08:09 AM
I can think of exactly one politician that has addressed the failing dollar AND has a solution that will survive our great grandchildren. And he isn’t even a democrat :-}
Just a few months ago, I remember reading here how the war in Iraq was going to clinch the election in favor of the democrats. So now it is the economy, Huh?
So what are the solutions from the Democratic camp for the current economic mess? Just curious if any of the candidates on either side has a handle on this problem.
Ron Paul is the only one I’ve heard who has even mentioned the US Dollar and its plight (Last I checked he was a Republican).
Hillary plans a bailout of homeowners:
Establish a $1 billion fund to assist state programs that help at-risk borrowers avoid foreclosure
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4283
So We force these people who took out mortgages they can not afford to stay in their debt when they can not afford it in the first place? These people should be renters, foreclosing would do them a favor. Buying a house with zero down is like renting only worse. You are stuck with a 30 year lease.
Now it is obvious I am displeased with the current crop of Republicans. But to answer Mary’s question and Max’s comment.
The Democratic lead Congress need to grow a back bone! Climb out beyond their hidey hole and make the hard decisions. Watching Cspan I see that they cow down to the Republicans and the president. They are not leading anything. More concerned with not offending the party base and seeming to have no real concern for the country. They are playing the part of the Washington Generals to the Harlem Glob trotters. There, scoring some points, but not intended to win the game. As long as they lack the same back bane that the likes of a JFK. They will never win the game and always be thought of as nothing more then the filler team.
America ought to stay out of “foreign entanglements” and concentrate on keeping our ship afloat. Kenya can find their own “solutions”.
Obviously Kenya has no oil and no economic impact on us…otherwise we’d be sending in troops to overthrow their government.
Oil rising to 100 dollars a barrel is an indication of the weakness of the dollar against gold and other foreign currency, the Euro in particular.
-Ed
Gold is out performing all currencies not just the dollar. (Those currencies belonging to countries who import their oil).
So while the dollar is experiencing a devalution, all other fiat currencies are not far behind. The price of oil is going up in other currencies as well. This fact is not so obvious since oil is sold in dollars and not pounds (or any other currency).
The only countries that may not be seeing oil prices increase domestically are those who are net exporters of the crude.
Sell your dollars for gold!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7682.html
DES MOINES, Iowa – Several Republican officials close to Fred Thompson’s presidential campaign said they expect the candidate will drop out of the race within days if he finishes poorly in Thursday’s Iowa caucus.
Thompson’s campaign, which last spring and summer was generating fevered anticipation in the media and with some Republican activists, has never ignited nationally, and there are no signs of a late spark happening here in Iowa, where even a third-place finish is far from assured.
This reality—combined with a fundraising drought—left well-connected friends and advisers of Thompson Wednesday evening predicting that he will pull the plug on hype and hope before the Jan. 8 New Hampshire primary.
Thompson’s departure could shake up the race more than his continued presence. Friends and advisers said they have long considered it likely that if the lobbyist-actor is forced from the race he would endorse John McCain his former Senate colleague who lately has been staging a political revival in New Hampshire.
Gold is out performing all currencies not just the dollar.
Posted by: rfl | January 03, 2008 at 08:58 AM
And if the dollar was founded on gold instead of letting the Fed Resv. monkey with it…
Dang folks, are you starting to see the light?
Limited government
Humble foreign policy
Strong borders
Stable dollar
Ron Paul folks. There is no other answer that covers so many problems.
RON PAUL, YOU’RE OUR ONLY HOPE-
Leia
Please wise up and vote for the man who is the only one talking REAL issues.
REALITY CHECK
“If all the automobiles in the United States were fueled with 100 percent ethanol, a total of about 97 percent of U.S. land area would be needed to grow the corn feedstock. Corn would cover nearly the total land area of the United States.”
Ethanol Fuel from Corn Faulted as ‘Unsustainable Subsidized Food Burning’David Pimental, a leading Cornell University agricultural expert, has calculated that powering the average U.S. automobile for one year on ethanol (blended with gasoline) derived from corn would require 11 acres of farmland, the same space needed to grow a year’s supply of food for seven people. Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion into ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make one gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTUS. Thus, 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in it. Every time you make one gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTUs.Mr. Pimentel concluded that “abusing our precious croplands to grow corn for an energy-inefficient process that yields low-grade automobile fuels amounts to unsustainable subsidized food burning”. Neither increases in government subsidies (to corn-based ethanol fuel), nor hikes in the price of petroleum can overcome what Cornell University agricultural scientist, David Pimentel, calls a fundamental input-yield problem: It takes more energy to make ethanol from grain than the combustion of ethanol produces.At a time when ethanol-gasoline mixtures (gasohol) are touted as the American answer to fossil fuel shortages by corn producers, food processors and some lawmakers, Cornell’s David Pimentel, one of the world’s leading experts in issues relating to energy and agriculture, takes a longer range view.”Abusing our precious croplands to grow corn for an energy-inefficient process that yields low-grade automobile fuel amounts to unsustainable, subsidized food burning”, says the Cornell professor in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. Pimentel, who chaired a U.S. Department of Energy panel that investigated the energetics, economics and environmental aspects of ethanol production several years ago, subsequently conducted a detailed analysis of the corn-to-car fuel process. His findings are published in the September, 2001 issue of the Encyclopedia of Physical Sciences and Technology.Among his findings are:
An acre of U.S. corn yields about 7,110 pounds of corn for processing into 328 gallons of ethanol. But planting, growing and harvesting that much corn requires about 140 gallons of fossil fuels and costs $347 per acre, according to Pimentel’s analysis. Thus, even before corn is converted to ethanol, the feedstock costs $1.05 per gallon of ethanol.
The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented. As many as three distillation steps are needed to separate the 8 percent ethanol from the 92 percent water. Additional treatment and energy are required to produce the 99.8 percent pure ethanol for mixing with gasoline.
Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. “Put another way”, Pimentel says, “about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU”.
Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline. “That helps explain why fossil fuels-not ethanol-are used to produce ethanol”, Pimentel says. “The growers and processors can’t afford to burn ethanol to make ethanol. U.S. drivers couldn’t afford it, either, if it weren’t for government subsidies to artificially lower the price”.
Most economic analyses of corn-to-ethanol production overlook the costs of environmental damages, which Pimentel says should add another 23 cents per gallon. “Corn production in the U.S. erodes soil about 12 times faster than the soil can be reformed, and irrigating corn mines groundwater 25 percent faster than the natural recharge rate of ground water. The environmental system in which corn is being produced is being rapidly degraded. Corn should not be considered a renewable resource for ethanol energy production, especially when human food is being converted into ethanol”.
The approximately $1 billion a year in current federal and state subsidies (mainly to large corporations) for ethanol production are not the only costs to consumers, the Cornell scientist observes. Subsidized corn results in higher prices for meat, milk and eggs because about 70 percent of corn grain is fed to livestock and poultry in the United States. Increasing ethanol production would further inflate corn prices, Pimentel says, noting: “In addition to paying tax dollars for ethanol subsidies, consumers would be paying significantly higher food prices in the marketplace”.
Nickels and dimes aside, some drivers still would rather see their cars fueled by farms in the Midwest than by oil wells in the Middle East, Pimentel acknowledges, so he calculated the amount of corn needed to power an automobile:
The average U.S. automobile, traveling 10,000 miles a year on pure ethanol (not a gasoline-ethanol mix) would need about 852 gallons of the corn-based fuel. This would take 11 acres to grow, based on net ethanol production. This is the same amount of cropland required to feed seven Americans.
If all the automobiles in the United States were fueled with 100 percent ethanol, a total of about 97 percent of U.S. land area would be needed to grow the corn feedstock. Corn would cover nearly the total land area of the United States.
“Thompson’s departure could shake up the race more than his continued presence.”
Well that’s a good thing. Law and Order just hasn’t been the same since Fred left. Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston) isn’t worth a darn as the new DA.
I miss Arthur Branch spewing out one liners from behind his desk with Scotch in his tumbler.
The process, created by Aquaflow, involves the harvesting of algae directly from any nutrient-rich settling ponds. This process is usable in many types of waste streams such as the ones created by the transport, dairy, meat and paper industries. The process works by exploiting the capacity of algae to absorb the nutrients available in the settling ponds, cleaning up the water which can then be used on other areas. The algae is then harvested and transformed into an alternative fuel source. So not only can biofuel created from this process, but is possible to clean up and reuse the waste water streams from major industries.
Air New Zealand is just one airline in the industry focused on creating alternative fuels for airplane engines. Last April, Virgin Airlines announced that it will start trialling the use of biofuels in a 747-400.
http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/07/31/pond-scum-biofuel-to-power-airplanes/
Biologist Nick Rancis lifts a favorite specimen. “Here we have a species of green algae that grows in fresh water. As you can see, it grows very high density. You can’t even see through it when you hold it up to the light.” He says this strain produces enormous amounts of fat: up to 50 percent of its body weight. And while producing oil from soy or canola generally requires a three to five-month growing season, some algae are so prolific, over half a batch can be harvested for oil production every day. “They can double or triple overnight,” Rancis says.
http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=47237
USU is currently conducting research on algae and plans to produce an algae-biodiesel that is cost-competitive by 2009. Algae, plainly referred to as pond scum, can produce up to 10,000 gallons of oil per acre and can be grown virtually anywhere.
“This is perhaps the most important scientific challenge facing humanity in the 21st century,” said Lance Seefeldt, USU professor of chemistry and biochemistry.
“There are several options for solving the world’s energy problem, but at this point, none of them are realistically viable for long-term use.”
Biodiesel is a clean and carbon-dioxide-neutral fuel that is becoming more popular, but most of the current product comes from soybean and corn oil. As supply and demand grows, so does the price of soybeans and corn. People and animals rely on soybean and corn as a food commodity, eventually causing competition between commodities and growing enough product. Meeting this demand would require the world to use virtually all of its arable land, said Seefeldt.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070130090717.htm
JWink
Gold is what you measure your currency against, because gold doesn’t do anything or become consumed in the process.
When the price of gold goes up, that means the value your currency is going down and when the price of gold goes down, that means the value of your currency is getting stronger { it takes fewer of your bucks to buy an ounce }.
It’s hard to understand, but think about it.
One think the tanking dollar is good for is the price of wheat. It is back in record high territory, up 29 cents on the overnight trade. The weak dollar makes our wheat an attractive purchase abroad.
Not to mention all those acres going out of wheat and into corn. Of course, I also hear about the corn acres going into wheat this year on the hopes that wheat prices will continue to rise.
And ALL of it depends on water…
“People and animals rely on soybean and corn as a food commodity, eventually causing competition between commodities and growing enough product.”
And people and crops and ethanol and coal fired plants all compete for a dwindling water supply in this state.
Wonder which group will win?
The old priest lay dying in the hospital. For years, he had faithfully
served the people of the nation’s capital in Washington D.C. He
motioned for his nurse to come near.
“Yes, Father?” said the nurse “I would really like to see President
Bill and Senator Hillary Clinton before I die,” whispered the priest.
“I’ll see what I can do, Father” replied the nurse. The nurse sent
the request to the Senate and waited for a response.
Soon the word arrived; the Clinton’s would be delighted to visit the
priest. As they went to the hospital, Hillary commented to Bill, “I
don’t know why the old priest wants to see us, but it certainly will
help our images and might even get me elected President.
After all, I’m IN IT TO WIN IT.”
Bill agreed–it was a very good thing for her campaign once they put
out a press release about it. When they arrived at the priest’s room,
the old priest took Bill’s hand in his right hand and Hillary’s hand in his
left. There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest’s face.
Finally Bill Clinton spoke.”Father, of all the people you could have
chosen, why did you choose us to be with you as you near the end?”
The old priest slowly replied,”I have always tried to pattern my life
after our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” “Amen” said Bill. “Amen”
said Hillary. The old priest continued… “He died between two lying
thieves and I would like to do the same.”
I should have more respect for the future prez and chief justice:
WASHINGTON (CNN) — It is a title that would be sure to bring either fear or cheer to many Americans, depending on your political leanings: Supreme Court Justice Bill Clinton.
That provocative possibility has long been whispered in legal and political circles ever since Sen. Hillary Clinton became a viable candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. Now a respected conservative law professor has openly predicted a future President Clinton would name her husband to the high court if a vacancy occurred.
Political Ticker
Wonder which group will win?
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | January 03, 2008 at 11:15 AM
The algae listed above can TREAT waste water facilities. So it CREATES usable water while providing a carbon neutral fuel source.
Herbert West III – good luck with all that. LOL.
AW – let’s hope you are correct. Bill Clinton is healthy and should be able to serve for many years.
What, no one’s yanked the Global Warming chain today?
Let me take care of that.
MOSCOW. (Oleg Sorokhtin for RIA Novosti) – Stock up on fur coats and felt boots! This is my paradoxical advice to the warm world.
Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. The current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases.
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html
Dying priest was asked if he wanted to see the current president before he died. The priest answered, “Why in the world would I want to see that piece of s**t?”
Bill Clinton, SCOTUS.
You think he’d get away with having an all female STAFF of clerks?
“Empirically, when you make yourself less free, you are not safer, you are just less free.”
From the posthumously published Molly Ivins book:
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400062867
One of the more interesting revelations from this book was that the Bush administration began trying to suppress dissent PRIOR to 9/11. (btw, that was not GMC’s cue to say a version of “well, everybody does it, therefore it’s okay”)
Bush is going to hand the Republic party a triple whammy! Oil, Economy, Wars! The GOP will be in a coma for decades!
Texas with the highest number of executions, is also the place of the highest number of wrongful convictions.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080103/ap_on_re_us/dna_exoneration_8
AW – let’s hope you are correct. Bill Clinton is healthy and should be able to serve for many years.
Posted by: Ben | January 03, 2008 at 11:29 AM
But God help us if he starts using Viagra while on the bench. Those robes can get expensive!
AW: One of 263,000,000 Americans with healthcare insurance.
DAD-GUM-IT Heckler!
You beat me to the article about:
“A cold spell soon to replace global warming”
I desperately wanted to throw that up to JR and cosmos.
Oh well here is a little more.
“MOSCOW. (Oleg Sorokhtin for RIA Novosti) – Stock up on fur coats and felt boots! This is my paradoxical advice to the warm world.
Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. The current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases.
“The real reasons for climate changes are uneven solar radiation, terrestrial precession (that is, axis gyration), instability of oceanic currents, regular salinity fluctuations of the Arctic Ocean surface waters, etc. There is another, principal reason—solar activity and luminosity. The greater they are the warmer is our climate.”
To all the ‘global warming’ ‘chicken littles’ he has this to say.
“What can’t be cured must be endured. It is wise to accept the natural course of things. We have no reason to panic about allegations that ice in the Arctic Ocean is thawing rapidly and will soon vanish altogether. As it really is, scientists say the Arctic and Antarctic ice shields are growing. Physical and mathematical calculations predict a new Ice Age. It will come in 100,000 years, at the earliest, and will be much worse than the previous. Europe will be ice-bound, with glaciers reaching south of Moscow.”
You guys are going to have to find another subject to obsess on. If you have trouble just get a hold of Randy Scholfield, he’s full of them.
A heavily redacted version (the only one publicly available) of the Bush Administration’s _Presidential Advance Manual_.
http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/freespeech/presidential_advance_manual.pdf
Not Fair! I wanted to aggravate Cosmos Link Troll today!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/science/01tier.html?_r=3&ref=science&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
I hesitated momentarily before posting this. I am not convinced it is 100 percent accurate. I prefer an ice cold Shiner Bock, to a Sam Adams lager.
“For those that don’t know about history…Here is a condensed
version…
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were the invention of Beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were
the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals; and
2. Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery.
That’s how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known
as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as “girlie-men” or wussies. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group
hugs, and the concept of voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided. Over the years Conservatives came to be
symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth; the
elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
A few modern liberals like Mexican light beer (with lime added), but most prefer a chilled glass of Sauvignon Blanc, with passion fruit and kiwi aromas which are marked by grassy notes, then rounded out on the mid
palate by peach flavors. Crisp and refreshing, with a hint of chalky minerality on the finish; or Perrier bottled water. They eat raw fish but dislike beef. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, Ivy League professors, journalists, dreamers in
Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated-hitter rule because it wasn’t fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink Sam Adams, Harpoon IPA or Yuengling Lager. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game
hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes,
Marines, and generally anyone who works productively.
Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after
the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.
Here ends today’s lesson in world history: It should be noted that a
Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to piss them off!”
“If it is wrong for one party, it is wrong for the other party, plain and simple. If it is okay or acceptable for one party, it is okay or acceptable for the other.”
I can agree with that. In fairness to GMC, probably all administrations regardless of the party, have for some time attempted to quell dissent. It is just that some administrations are especially heavy handed in the process. The W. Bush and Nixon administrations have to be the most suppressive of any in the last 50 years.
“Geologist/Geochemist Dr. Tom V. Segalstad… formerly an expert reviewer with the UN IPCC, expressed skepticism of climate fears in 2007. A July 7, 2007 article in Canada’s Financial Post read, …”
Posted by: Hank | January 03, 2008 at 07:02 AM
1) All that is required to become an IPCC “reviewer” is asking to be given the draft reports(s).
2) Only a “nitwit” relies on newspaper “articles” for scientific information.
3) Only a “nitwit” believes that someone qualified in ONE field of science is qualified in ALL fields of science.
4) Only a “nitwit” would believe that someone is a credible climate scientist, after they’ve falsely claimed, “there has been no net global warming since 1998″ .
Dr. Segalstad signed a letter climing that.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/wiggles
Very funny American Way. I almost shot my diet coke through my nose. …ahahahaha…
Conservatives also apparently invented plagiarism, as American Way did not attribute his post. It’s appeared on about a billion dipmerde sites, including one devoted to the Turner Report.
I can agree with that. In fairness to GMC, probably all administrations regardless of the party, have for some time attempted to quell dissent. It is just that some administrations are especially heavy handed in the process. The W. Bush and Nixon administrations have to be the most suppressive of any in the last 50 years.
Posted by: Steven Davis
Steven, all administrations have done it. What is worse, one that does it heavy handedly or one that does it subtly? I believe the subtly are worse because it happens in ways we dont notice it. I dont like it being done either way. I see the thing being done here. Two groups are good at doing it, one uses the subtle approach, the other the heavy handed approach. Both groups deny doing it. I wish the WE would deal with the issue, but they are happy to let it continue because it generates hits to the Blog, but it ruins the credit level of the Blog.
I am a member of several Blogs where people have the same views seen here, but on some of them, the admins do not allow the trolling, etc seen here.
If I had a source to attribute the article too, I certainly would have. (You will see that I do on my previous posts)
Unfortunately, I came upon it via a highly exclusive and secret network of what must be clandestine conservative beer drinkers.
I did put it in the prerequisite quotations and did not claim to be the author.
AW, these are clear basic facts.
Anyone could have written this.
The truth is obvious to all.
Door King doesn’t have enough to do or enough to complain about. He’s waiting for the hunters to come home so he can eat some scraps.
Time for a WORD check Door King:
pla·gia·rism Pronunciation[pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-]
noun 1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one’s own original work.
2. something used and represented in this manner.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plagiarism
As you say, it has been on about a billion sites. Common knowledge.
2) Only a “nitwit” relies on newspaper “articles” for scientific information.
-Cosmos
What would you call someone who relies on Cosmos for all of their scientific information?
‘Boris Winterhalter
No peer reviewed global warming science’
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1211
“No peer-reviewed research on climate change
Dr. Boris Winterhalter is a retired marine researcheer and according to a search of 22,000 academic journals, has never published any peer-reviewed research on global warming. He has had four peer-reviewed articles, all related to marine geology, the first published in 1970, the rest between 2000 and 2002.”
He’s waiting for the hunters to come home so he can eat some scraps.
Posted by: Max | January 03, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Then he will go hungry! There is little left when I throw a BBQ!
(That is why they need to legislate stealing our BBQ and beer.)
Cosmos
12:01- 11:47= 14 minutes. Very good. Who pays you to monitor this blog and do your evangelizing?
Cosmos
Who pays you to monitor this blog and do your evangelizing?
Obviously, Cosmos exists as another NIC who switches back to Cosmos whenever someone breaths the “GW” words…….
Cosmos,
Hank is yanking your chain.Why do you bother playing the game?He’s trying to drive you insane with a meme that’s lame.
Boom shock a la locka Boom shock a la locka
TROLLING?
WHAT TROLLING?
WHY WASN’T I INFORMED?
SHEWT…..
Ummmm me like trolls they crunchy outside gooey inside
Dr. Boris Winterhalter also signed the letter that falsely claimed, “there has been no net global warming since 1998″.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/wiggles
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/wiggles
What kind of “nitwit” points to a blog as evidence?
Did you all hash this to pieces already?
“Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world.
South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918.
Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.
Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.
If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you’re hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can’t make this stuff up.
Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.”
Excerpts from David Deming: http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071219/COMMENTARY/10575140
David Deming is a geophysicist, an adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis, and associate professor of Arts and Sciences at the University of Oklahoma.
It is scary when liberals in their zeal to hide the truth, or do not want controversy with their opinions, try to end free speech and stifle the truth. We can’t tolerate other opinions or dissent:
“Deming is not an inept scientist. He has authored an introductory textbook on hydrogeology, and is associate editor for three journals: Ground water, Petroleum Geoscience, and Geothermics. He lists 28 articles that he has authored on his school homepage. Deming thinks for himself and that, he says, makes him a target for the administration. “The administration of the University of Oklahoma seems to want a generation of faculty that are servile, apathetic, and obsequious,” he wrote earlier this year. And that culture is widespread. “We have a culture of fear,” he says. “The University of Oklahoma is like a totalitarian regime.” In 2003, OU officials began an alumni campaign to have Deming fired.
Deming has strong opinions, and he expresses them in letters to the editor, often with controversial results. A brash, pro-gun 2000 missive netted him 25 sexual harassment charges, which the University of Oklahoma dropped after Deming threatened to sue.
He’s just as outspoken when it comes to the university and its administration. In 2001, he wrote in the Oklahoma Daily of OU president David Boren’s stance on free speech: “I am at a loss to understand why the rhetoric is not matched by the reality.” In 2002, in another letter to the editor, he wrote, “The degree to which free speech lacks support not only on this campus, but across the country is disturbing. How can we as a community of scholars survive when freedom of expression has been squashed?” And, according to Oklahoma provost Nancy Mergler in the Chronicle of Higher Education, Deming “went on the record as having no confidence in the leadership of [the School of Geology and Geosciences].” After he disseminated an email critical of affirmative action, geology department chairmen Roger Slatt “circulated to all faculty, staff, and students in the College of Geoscience a statement that implied because I was against affirmative action I had dysfunctional relationships with women,” Deming wrote in an article in Front Page magazine.
Deming, however, despite the controversy that so often surrounds him, does not consider himself an iconoclast. He supports gun rights, opposes affirmative action, and is in favor of intellectual diversity. “I feel that my views are among the mainstream in Oklahoma,” he says. “They may be unpopular at OU.” In the recent election, Oklahoma voted overwhelmingly Republican, 66% percent for George W. Bush. Cleveland County, home of the University of Oklahoma in Norman, mirrored those results.
While his lawsuit may take years to resolve, he’ll remain on the faculty and continue to suffer the status quo. Deming doesn’t want to leave the school where he has worked since 1992. . “I belong here,” he says. “I love it here. I like living in Oklahoma.” ”
Larry Scholer is a staff writer with Accuracy in Academia.
http://www.campusreportonline.net/main/articles.php?id=257
Mukasey launches probe of CIA
Signaling resolve to get to the bottom of a case that has touched off a political and legal firestorm, Atty. Gen. Michael B. Mukasey announced that he was appointing a mob-busting prosecutor from Connecticut with experience at rooting out official misconduct to oversee the investigation. The unusual move means that the U.S. attorney’s office in Virginia, which normally handles CIA investigations, will play no role in the case.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ciatapes3jan03,0,2280298.story?coll=la-home-nation
Another unfulfilled Bush promise:
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/269609.html
WASHINGTON – U.S. admissions of Iraqi refugees are nose-diving amid bureaucratic in-fighting despite the Bush administration’s pledge to boost them to roughly 1,000 per month, according to State Department statistics obtained by The Associated Press.
For the third straight month since the United States said it would improve processing and resettle 12,000 Iraqis by the end of the current budget year on Sept. 30., the number admitted has actually slid, the figures show.
SolDevVB,
Why is someone who uses a science blog, with data and graphs from NASA, NOAA, NSDIC, etc a “nitwit”?
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/graphic-evidence/
If YOU believe that “there has been no net global warming since 1998″, then explain why.
“Did you all hash this to pieces already?”
Posted by: AW | January 03, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Yes. 2007 will probably end up the 2nd warmest on record.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/12/open-thread-123.html#comment-95299822
1) All that is required to become an IPCC “reviewer” is asking to be given the draft reports(s).
2) Only a “nitwit” relies on newspaper “articles” for scientific information.
3) Only a “nitwit” believes that someone qualified in ONE field of science is qualified in ALL fields of science.
4) Only a “nitwit” would believe that someone is a credible climate scientist, after they’ve falsely claimed, “there has been no net global warming since 1998″ .
Dr. Segalstad signed a letter climing that.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/wiggles
Posted by: cosmos | January 03, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Posting a link to a blog…
Pot, meet….
SolDevVB, meet data…
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/graphic-evidence/
Figure 2;
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
http://www.remss.com/pub/msu/monthly_time_series/
Are those peer reviewed graphs? Who reviewed them? What are their credentials?
Predicted Results – Iowa Caucus
1st Place: Barack Obama
2nd Place: John Edwards
3rd Place: Hillary Clinton
4th Place: Bill Richardson
1st Place: Mitt Romney
2nd Place: Mike Huckabee
3rd Place: Fred Thompson
4th Place: John McCain
The most influential factor in the caucus? The weather.
If bad weather, Barak Obama stands to lose the most on the Democratic side, Mitt Romney on the Republicans side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Deming
“He is an associate editor for the academic journals Petroleum Geoscience [3] and Ground Water [4], and an adjunct faculty member at two conservative think tanks, the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs and the National Center for Policy Analysis.[5]”
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=55
“National Center for Policy Analysis has received $465,900 from ExxonMobil since 1998.”
Yes. 2007 will probably end up the 2nd warmest on record.
Cosmos, I didn’t find a source at your blog link. Is there a source?
Amway seems to forget the origingal liberals invented gunpowder, firearms, common sense, agriculture, sinbad, cheese whiz, toilet paper, the wheel and the frisbee. They had to because the conservatives were attempting to steal everything the liberals grew, shot or raised.
But the conservatives wern’t very good at stealing as they were too engrossed in berating liberals for being too smart for them. So the conservatives invented george bush instead, thus putting the conservative movement on a suicidal road to oblivian. I believe that road will succeed in doing that this coming election.
Cosmos, that doesn’t prove anything about Deming, nor his writings.
Geez, using this reasoning your scientists are all therefore in dispute because they are “linked” to green peace.
Stumper, you libs invented all that! Amazing things can happen. It probably was because they were stealing all the conservatives BBQ and beer.
But let’s NOT hope you are correct on the future election. The country will be a rather sad place with one party (ANY party) in power.
Nah, liberals drink real beer. Not the 3.2 crap you all invented.
O, and I do remember when the republicans took over congress. That was about the biggest joke of the twentieth century. It will probably take the twenty first century to fix all the problems the republicans caused.
Like . . . moral majority. How’d that work out for ya? Thousand points of light . . . Or, as intelligent people say, “bombs bursting in the air” over any country that doesn’t like bush.
Libertarians drink rum… wussies !!!!
This centrist “D” drinks whiskey with ice, two of my favorite food groups. And if the whiskey isn’t up to standard, a nice cold pale ale, or a “hoppy” dark, are reasonable substitutes.
Geez, using this reasoning your scientists are all therefore in dispute because they are “linked” to green peace.
Posted by: AW | January 03, 2008 at 01:46 PM
Tell me which of the 600+ authors of the WG1 report are “”linked” to green peace”.
They are listed in the annex at,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
Also, Deming’s article is in the Moony owned Washington Times, which is not a reliable source.
Why do Iraqies need to come to America, Remember The Surge is such a great success there is no practical reason to give them refuge here!
TROLLING?
WHAT TROLLING?
WHY WASN’T I INFORMED?
SHEWT…..
Posted by: Tracy
Tracy, 90 percent of the perps on this blog are trolls, be they flaming liberal or coldhearted conservative.
They do so in direct violation of the troll picket line established against the WE Blog since these trolls are not union trolls and the WE is a union shop.
Anyone found crossing our picket line will suffer the usual fate of scabs.
We demand the vile offending nonunion trolls cease and desist from their illegal activities immediately.
We also call for a boycott of this blog, this newspaper and any places that sell WE.
I bet China has purchased more advanced military technology under bush, than it has under all other former presidents combined.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080103/china_us_export_controls.html?.v=3
O, and I do remember when the republicans took over congress.
Stumper
Now you lumping me with the moral majority is about as funny as my “history” post (which I thought was humor).
You can’t put us all in a box like that. Well, you can, but you shouldn’t.
Anway, I have posted before my disappointment with the first republican controlled congress and white house in decades. I have even dared to post that I didn’t vote a straight republican ticket last time.
But the same dangers hold true with the democrats. (I said ANY PARTY).
I don’t think we are served well with all nodding heads. Some things will happen too fast, without the opposition having time to raise the flag – and other things will not be discussed at all. Just quick votes and all one sided.
I like the idea of different parties at work for us. I really would like some independent (like Ron Paul) to really shake DC up. But I don’t think that will happen.
Someone posted we are like “cattle” and both parties are using us. I like to refer to the American people as having two football teams – by design, they keep us pitted against each other. But one team is worse. No choice at all.
“But the same dangers hold true with the democrats. (I said ANY PARTY).”
“But one team is worse. No choice at all.”
Who’s that? Bet I can guess.
The problem with BOTH parties is principles: Neither seems to have any. If one were to vote on who has shown to stick with their principles, then Ron Paul would be the obvious choice, as all others failthat simple test.
But the media doesn’t want that and neither do the major beltway players, because Ron would upset the status quo and maybe inject some truth into government. Ya’all remember truth? The thing that went flying out the window with Carter (his problem: too honest for washington).
Other that Paul, there is no one who has shown the principles necessary to bring the government back to the people.
O, and while your post was funny, mine ain’t? Damn politics!
And finally: liberals did not invent brittany spears!
“Our current politicians are the Ford Pintos of politics — they are built for smooth roads and accident-free driving. This election, however, may force some re-engineering to fit the new quality-oriented consumer.”
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/01/2008-the-year-o.html#more
“Another indication is the surprising success of Ron Paul. Paul is an anti-war, libertarian Republican who is the rage among the outraged voters and could launch a credible third-party candidacy. Some of Paul’s views are outside of the mainstream, but those views do not appear to change with each poll. ”
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/01/2008-the-year-o.html#more
You’re DAMN RIGHT!!!
What other politician running has a perfect voting record. Exactly ZERO flip flops…
“What other politician running has a perfect voting record. Exactly ZERO flip flops…”
Probably Dennis Kucinich. When you don’t stand snowball’s chance in hell of winning, you can tell the truth. Thus Dennis and Ron Paul’s unwavering consistency.
BTW, Dennis asked his supporters to back Obama as their second choice in the Iowa caucuses. I thought Hillary was courting Dennis to get that favor. Anyone hear of anything else like this?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004103369_campdig02.html
Holy hperlinks link troll man! Even the NYT has called GW more alarmism than science!
Better go down to the link cave and power up the IPCC computer to discount it!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/science/01tier.html?_r=3&ref=science&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Dear annie moose,
cosmos does not know where my ‘chain’ is.
But thanks for your concern.
annie moose,
Hank doesn’t bother me, and I enjoy showing that he’s a “nitwit”.
And it’ll be even funnier when Hank copy/pastes out-of-context quotes from scientists who believe that humans ARE causing GW.
Proudman,
You seem to be very confused.
The NYT does not do climate research. The IPCC also does not do climate research — they compile the published work done by scientists worldwide.
What other politician running has a perfect voting record. Exactly ZERO flip flops…
Posted by: SolDevVB
Paul who? You mean that fella who is not going to be in the debate on national TV?
The little guy from Texas who will probably not be remembered a year from now?
Got your panties all wet over an already has been.
Thanks Ben. I will keep all updated. Herbert West III, Publisher/Journalist. west.herb@yahoo.com
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about. cosmos is paid worker for the Gore AGW hit squad.
cosmos is paid worker for the Gore AGW hit squad.
Posted by: flappy-headed Lib
That thar funny, no matter who you are.
We do have a poster hereabouts that many of the other posters believe is being paid to post here.
It is NOT cosmos. And the poster in question shills tirelessly for bush, fossil fuels, and the status quo. Those are the kind of positions you have to pay somebody to post on.
Keep on keepin’ on cosmos. You are getting at them.
It’s a Good Day to Be a Republican Jay Dyckman
Thu Jan 3, 11:09 AM ET
Yep, you heard that right. This is the one day of the year that it is better to be a Republican.
If you live in Iowa, that is.
*The Republicans have this caucus thing exactly right. You show up, write the name of the candidate you want on a slip of paper, drop it in a box, and then race home in time for Ugly Betty.
There’s no talking to anyone. No cajoling other people in the room to vote the same way as you. No begging. Just in and out. Civilized.
The Democrats? More like a 7th grade gym class choosing dodge ball teams. There is a lot of arguing, hurt feelings and wild promises made in a desperate bid to not be picked last.
And yes, that last kid standing against the wall, the one with the lazy eye and orthopedic boot, is Kucinich.
Honestly, who votes this way? Haggling with your fellow townspeople to come join you in a corner of the room? The people you live next to? The people who think, “If Christmas lights can cheer up a window frame for two weeks, then dammit, why not the whole year?” These people are going to influence me toward Clinton’s corner? The guy in apartment 3D who lets his cat treat the hallway as a litter box pied-à-terre is going to harass me into voting for Joseph Biden?
Hell no.
I’ve lived in New York for over 10 years and have gone to great lengths to avoid talking to my neighbors. I’m not saying if one was on fire I wouldn’t help, but as I turned the extinguisher toward him, I’d first ask why he’s so convinced that Zeppelin sounds better at 3 a.m. than, say, anytime in the afternoon. (I mean, seriously, a New York caucus? Did someone mean to walk toward Edwards’ corner, or was he simply disoriented from a Dodd fan’s pepper spray?)
Voting means a trip to your local elementary school, a polite nod to the octogenarian manning the electoral roll, an eye roll at the designated choices, and then basking in the smug sense of performing one’s civic duty that should sustain a sense of righteousness for at least two to three months.
I love democracy. And Democrats. Really. But for god’s sake, don’t make me talk to anyone I live around about it.
*You know, there seems so much wrong with this. LOL I have to fall back on that ole adage ” you have to laugh about it. Because grown men are not suppose to cry!”. The future of brain surgery, now the surgeon and their crew comes to your house. And does this delicate operation on you while you set in your recliner!
Yes you can have the operation that will either save your life or kill you while watching your favorite TV. show. Call during the next commercial and make your appointment! Picking the next President need not be “brain surgery” but it is important enough to at least miss one TV program!
dog you are the one poster who I just cannot fathom how you can be a Republican. Learn like I did 20 some years ago. They care nothing about anything but money. They’ll use you to make it for them, they will keep it to themselves and if you ever happen to fall on hard times well it’s all your fault!
The party you still so want to believe in is dead. The men who made Reagan killed it. The men who made bush burned the corpse and sold the ashes.
J R,
What’s really funny is that when I post solid science from the world’s top climate scientists, they respond by falsely attacking Al Gore, and me.
But that’s normal for people who are only capable of doing copy/pastes from Sen. Inhofe’s pet weasel, Marc Morano, or the Washington Times, or other bogus sources.
AW,
So how many of the 600+ authors of the WG1 report are “”linked” to green peace”? Names, and proof please.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-13.html#comment-95740124
that wasn’t a false attack
that was a real attack
Well cosmos,
You have to keep in mind that by and large the crowd that so rails that there is no global warming is a crowd that rests assured for whatever reason that they are already pretty much right about everything.
Such people can be very frightened of change in any form.
SO they get defensive. They are the “me and mine” mindset and that includes their thinking. Ideas that challenge are seen not as an offer but an assault. And when they are assaulted they are gonna hit back.
I like to THINK that they already know the truth. They just
1 Don’t want to admit they are wrong.
2 Leave no stone unturned before they even begin to accept 1
I could be entirely wrong on this next.
I think Hank is ready to accept that global warming is real. I think he is BEGINNING to accept that it is human caused and that addressing it might not be such a bad idea.
SO he is accepting the challenge of putting his list of scientists up one at a time so he can be shown and shown and shown again before he finally, grudgingly, says ok enough. Let’s roll!
But then I am a former conservative turned liberal and always TRYING to look to the best in people.
Link Troll,
Instead of refuting the points made in the Science Section of the Newspaper of Record you tell me I’m confused. Worse yet you compare the science reporter to a political body.
Please site your peer reviewed work showing conclusively that I am confused. Please, no blogs this time. Blogs are full of opinion, not proof. Blogs with ‘consensus’ amount to one of two types: a) not visited or b) full of ‘free speech’ moderators.
Thanks J R!
I always try to find 5 things that I like about someone before I allow myself to criticize or find fault with them.
I’m weak, doesn’t always happen
Just so there is no doubt about my opinions on global warming, this is what I really think:
1. I don’t think it’s happening.
2. If it is happening, I don’t think it’s caused by man.
3. If it is happening I believe it is being caused by solar radiation.
4. If it is happening man can’t stop it.
5. If it is happening it probably is a good thing vs. a bad thing.
6. I don’t mind ‘addressing it’, but allowing the UN to have any part in it is a bad idea.
7. Al Gore is a liar.
8. cosmos is a nitwit.
Any questions class?
Huh?
I have been posting here a long time.
I don’t think I know any “link troll”.
Why People Believe Global Warming Alarmists
1. Ideology: GW has become a pet cause of the left.
2. Boredom: Lacking a great cause, people really want to believe the world is in peril and they can help save it.
3. Helpfulness: Many are just good hearted people who genuinely want to help.
4. Fear: Realizing that any climate change will be slow and can be adjusted to, alarmists fan the flame with unsubstantiated claims of sudden doom.
“But then I am a former conservative turned liberal and always TRYING to look to the best in people.”
In this case, I was wrong.
Well thanks for 3. outlander?
I’m a pragmatist/idealist.
Hence my mixed political journey.
There is nothing to be lost by addressing global warming proactively and a lot to be gained.
There is nothing to be lost by addressing global warming proactively and a lot to be gained.
Posted by: J R | January 03, 2008 at 10:15 PM
You’re actually quite wrong about that. The Kyoto treaty would have been an economical disaster for the US.
It is my conservative pragmatism that requires me to address problems at home first.
Kyoto was a step. Maybe it was a wrong step. It is a step the US did not take.
That does not mean we should walk away.
Today, the Toyota company surpassed Ford for the first time in sales of vehicles in the US.
There is a reason for that.
Biden and Dodd drop out of Presidential race.
Obama and Huckabee winners in Iowa.
I’ll take you one at a time Hank.
1. What if you are wrong?
2 See 3
3 If solar radiation is the cause, then greenhouse gases can only aggravate it.
4 Why are you opposed to trying?
5 Playing dice with the climate and HOPING for a 7 is not wise.
6 Solutions begin at home.
7 So is george bush. At least Al Gore is committed to his “lies” through many years.
8 Get a new derogative and a more open mind.
flappy, ProudMan, Hank, and outlander.
Thank you very much, for proving that my 9:31 PM was accurate.
I’ll take you one at a time Hank.
1. What if you are wrong?
Makes no difference. Man isn’t causing it, man can’t stop it. If I’m wrong, the earth will get warmer, we’ll have to use less fossil fuels to stay warm and the earth will cool.
2 See 3
3 If solar radiation is the cause, then greenhouse gases can only aggravate it.
Really? What if they don’t? Do you know what percentage of greenhouse gases are CO2? Do you know what percentage of CO2 is man made?
4 Why are you opposed to trying?
Trying what? Reduce the productivity of the United States? The US is the cleanest and most efficient consumer of fossil fuels is the world. Why punish our economy and not put any requirements or restrictions on China, India or Africa?
5 Playing dice with the climate and HOPING for a 7 is not wise.
What a simple and completely idiotic analogy! But I’ll play, shooting craps when Al Gore is the croupier is insane.
6 Solutions begin at home.
What about China, India, Africa. .
7 So is george bush. At least Al Gore is committed to his “lies” through many years.
Al Gore is a butt-boy. People that fall for his GW alarmist crap are nitwits.
8 Get a new derogative and a more open mind.
And what is your definition of an open mind? How can the GW alarmists possibly have an open mind when their head is so far up their asses?
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about. cosmos is paid worker for the Gore AGW hit squad.
Well, the game is over. KU won. I’m going to bed.
Its been fun.
The first to sit at the table aint always the best to have there cosmos.
Keep on keepin’ on.
And a special thank you to Hank, (who is in the phone book) for yet again proving the he’s a 100% clueless “nitwit”.
“3. If it is happening I believe it is being caused by solar radiation.”
Posted by: Hank | January 03, 2008 at 10:01 PM
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
“You read that right. The study most quoted by skeptics actually concluded the sun CAN’T be causing global warming. Ironically, it’s the sun’s close correlation with Earth’s temperature that proves it has LITTLE to do with the last 30 years of global warming.”
Links to 12 scientific studies are at above link.
But I guess that Hank will continue to prove that he’s a 100% clueless “nitwit”, by copy/pasting BS from Sen. Inhofe’s (R-Exxon) pet weasel, Marc Morano.
“cosmos is not a scientist.”
Where have I heard that before?
The TROLL broke his promise before the ink was dry . . .
cosmos falsely denies he is a Gore paid AGW shill. cosmos is a paid blog disrupter that belongs to Gore hit squad.
And I was wrong again.
My last was very carefully considered while Hank’s was reactionary and insulting.
Maybe you can’t reason with such people who squeeze their thoughts tightly between the plays of a football game.
Bye Hank. I don’t think further discourse is productive.
commissioned by the Center for Naval Analyses, a government-financed research group, and written by a group of retired generals and admirals called the Military Advisory Board.
Global Warming Called Security Threat
By ANDREW C. REVKIN and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
Published: April 15, 2007
For the second time in a month, private consultants to the government are warning that human-driven warming of the climate poses risks to the national security of the United States.
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A report, scheduled to be published on Monday but distributed to some reporters yesterday, said issues usually associated with the environment — like rising ocean levels, droughts and violent weather caused by global warming — were also national security concerns.
“Unlike the problems that we are used to dealing with, these will come upon us extremely slowly, but come they will, and they will be grinding and inexorable,” Richard J. Truly, a retired United States Navy vice admiral and former NASA administrator, said in the report.
The effects of global warming, the study said, could lead to large-scale migrations, increased border tensions, the spread of disease and conflicts over food and water. All could lead to direct involvement by the United States military.
The report recommends that climate change be integrated into the nation’s security strategies and says the United States “should commit to a stronger national and international role to help stabilize climate changes at levels that will avoid significant disruption to global security and stability.”
The report, called “National Security and the Threat of Climate Change,” was commissioned by the Center for Naval Analyses, a government-financed research group, and written by a group of retired generals and admirals called the Military Advisory Board.
In March, a report from the Global Business Network, which advises intelligence agencies and the Pentagon on occasion, concluded, among other things, that rising seas and more powerful storms could eventually generate unrest as crowded regions like Bangladesh’s sinking delta become less habitable.
One of the authors of the report, Peter Schwartz, a consultant who studies climate risks and other trends for the Defense Department and other clients, said the climate system, jogged by a century-long buildup of heat-trapping gases, was likely to rock between extremes that could wreak havoc in poor countries with fragile societies.
“Just look at Somalia in the early 1990s,” Mr. Schwartz said. “You had disruption driven by drought, leading to the collapse of a society, humanitarian relief efforts, and then disastrous U.S. military intervention. That event is prototypical of the future.”
“Picture that in Central America or the Caribbean, which are just as likely,” he said. “This is not distant, this is now. And we need to be preparing.”
Other recent studies have shown that drought and scant water have already fueled civil conflicts in global hot spots like Afghanistan, Nepal, and Sudan, according to several recent studies.
This bodes ill, given projections that human-driven warming is likely to make some of the world’s driest, poorest places drier still, experts said.
“The evidence is fairly clear that sharp downward deviations from normal rainfall in fragile societies elevate the risk of major conflict,” said Marc Levy of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, which recently published a study on the relationship between climate and civil war.
Given that climate models project drops in rainfall in such places in a warming world, Mr. Levy said, “It seems irresponsible not to take into account the possibility that a world with climate change will be a more violent world when making judgments about how tolerable such a world might be.”
“3 If solar radiation is the cause, then greenhouse gases can only aggravate it.
Really? What if they don’t?”
Posted by: Hank | January 03, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Thank you, Hank, for yet again proving that you’re a 100% clueless “nitwit”.
Even most young children can understand that BOTH solar energy, AND GHG’s warm our only Earth.
CLINTON is 3rd in Iowa!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Dems “YOUR GIRL” got 3rd place in the first REAL poll of the campaign!
Even behind frickin John Edwards!
I think I’m going to cry!
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/NEWS09/80103052/-1/SPORTS0808
When CNN called it for Barack Obama at 8:28 p.m., Carol Beronich, 52, a magazine editor, looked like she was going to cry.
“I’m mad,” she said, with a catch in her voice. “I’m going to be very disappointed if she’s not there to vote for in December.”
Beronich pointed out that Iowa has not always picked the president. “There’s 22 states in a couple weeks that will have primaries,” she said.
Vickie and David Zanders echoed that.
“We believe in our girl,” said David Zanders, 51, an auto mechanic.
His wife had to woo him over to the Clinton camp at their caucus site. He stood with the Obama folks until Vickie, who turned 50 Thursday said: “Who?s the cook? Who does the laundry? You know it’s my birthday.”
This report just in from the Des Moines Register, dateline 3 January, 2008.
Hillary Clinton was observed wondering the streets of Des Moines, Iowa limping with one high-heeled shoe missing, her hair or wig in a ragged mess, her jacket torn, and she had no mittens, but she had a bottle of Jack in her hand, and she was singing.
Transcript from her song is below:
I was all right for a while
I could smile for a while
but I saw you last night Iowa.
You held my hand so tight
as you stopped to say hello
oh You wished me well,
You couldn’t tell that
I’ve been crying over you,
Crying over you and you said “So long”
Left me standing all alone,
Alone and crying, crying, crying, crying
It’s hard to understand
why you voted for Obama,
and Edwards,
instead of meeeeeeeeeeeee!
Cryin! I’m just Cryin!
that the touch of your hand can start me crying
I thought that I was over you
But it’s true, so true
I love you even more than I did before
But darling Iowa, what can I do?
For you don’t love me
and I’ll always be
Crying over you, crying over you
yes Iowa now you’re gone
and from this moment on, I’ll be crying, crying, crying, crying
Yeah, crying, crying over you
Bill Clinton was not in sight, though he was last observed playing the saxophone with some blonde bimbo at the Blues on Grand.
“CLINTON is 3rd in Iowa!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Dems “YOUR GIRL” got 3rd place in the first REAL poll of the campaign!
Even behind frickin John Edwards!
I think I’m going to cry!”
Heh, ya know, Max, I think you’re actually “largegirlsxxx”!
No, I don’t think you’re KHAN, but at times you come close to that level of psychosis.
News flash, you lunatic: The people who voted for Obama and Edwards were (drumroll, please). . .
Democrats!
So who exactly are you laughing at? PRESIDENT Obama, maybe, hmmm?
P.S. Hey, way for your buddy Fred to kick ass, huh?
Dog, JWink:
Heard the opposition leader and govt shill on BBC World Service, the opposition leader offering concessions- the govt spokesman finally bending a TINY bit–perhaps in anticipation of world opinion.
Keep it up. Thanks.
P.S. This fiercely independent whatever. . . drinks!
(Read the thread, folks).
So who exactly are you laughing at? PRESIDENT Obama, maybe, hmmm?
Posted by: Rage | January 04, 2008 at 03:20 AM
Edwards or Obama would be much better then Clinton, no question.