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Attorney general wants $200 million to bust gangs
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Justice Department plans to propose $200 million in grants to cities to help combat gang and gun violence, Attorney General Michael Mukasey announced Thursday.
The funds — which will be included in President Bush’s budget proposal to be unveiled next month — are primarily intended to help establish new task forces to target armed youths blamed for much of the nation’s ongoing violence.
It would be a significant increase from the $75 million awarded last year, when Justice officials established the program. Known as the Violent Crime Reduction Partnership, the federal money goes directly to cities that successfully compete for the funds and explain how they will be used to attack violence.
“This initiative will help communities address their specific violent crime challenges, especially where multiple jurisdictions are involved,” Mukasey told the National Conference of Mayors in Washington. “We’ll be able to send targeted resources where they are needed the most and where they show the most promise.”
More at CNN Politics.com
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Chief of Police for Wichita and other Chiefs ought to get together to help push this through. Wichita’s fight against gang violence needs all the help it can get.
Public Safety/Homeland Security
CBP Reminds Land, Sea Border Crossers that New Procedures Start Jan. 31
Jan 23, 2008, News Report
U.S. Customs and Border Protection reminds travelers that beginning January 31, border crossers will be asked to present documents denoting citizenship and identity when entering the United States through land and sea ports of entry. This change primarily affects U.S. and Canadian citizens, who have previously been permitted entry by oral declaration alone.
Thursday marks the transition toward standard and consistent documents for all travelers entering the country. It is also the start of a robust and concerted public education campaign, intended to inform travelers of document requirements which will be implemented next year.
More at Government Technology
Peaceful Authority (Police Officers from Flint, MI)
Some Police Officers During Their Song Rehearsal
These guys are great!
“Your papers please”.
Louisiana seems to be pulling a David Copperfield on its citizenry.
Due to mistakes by the Louisiana GOP, hundreds of voters were forced to file provisional ballots, including nearly 500 that could change the outcome of the election. According to party officials, caucus locations relied on a voter list from November 1, 2007 despite the fact that under caucus rules, voters must have registered Republican by November 30, 2007.
In multiple instances, state-certified Ron Paul delegates that were on the ballot were forced to file a provisional ballot despite the fact they were pre-approved as delegates.
The Louisiana State GOP also changed the rules at the last minute to allow other candidates to file more delegates. At the time of the original January 10 deadline, Ron Paul had the largest number of delegates pledged to him. The party then changed the rules to give other candidates until January 12 to file more delegates.
The same thing happened in Nevada. Seems to me the GOP just can’t stomache a Ron Paul victory, so let the dirty tricks prevale.
Pleefer, it would have been nice to have seen that on the nightly news or where they report to the nation.
Did you happen to watch the debate last night? There for awhile I was wondering if MSNBC was pulling a Fox on us! For what seem quite a while I did not even see Dr, Paul and wouldn’t you know they asked the other candidates the question about what to do about the economy. Here is one area that Paul would shine and they did not ask him wouldn’t you know!
Prevail Need – More – Coffee-
Just a reminder. Being “green” isn’t as cut and dried as one would think.
http://environmentalrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/01/environmental-conundrum.html
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html
My contribution to green, of course, is to continue to drive my 1970 GMC. Full-size. V8. The lesser “carbon footprint” is to NOT produce a vehicle to replace the one I have.
I read it and it maybe on the comment left at the link that Pleffer provided “ Its fun to watch the Conservatives use the dirty trick on one of their own”. NO it is not! But the dirty tricks concerning Paul do not seem to be just on the party level.
From an email I received…
President Bush wants Congress to pass a bill that lets the government spy on the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.
He also wants a bill that makes sure the truth about illegal spying on the emails and phone calls of Americans is never exposed. He does this by stopping lawsuits against phone companies that illegally handed over the phone calls and emails of Americans to the government.
But very soon, the Senate will vote on a bill to regulate spying on the emails and phone calls of Americans. What we don’t know is whether Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will ask the Senate to take up a bill that was written closely with the Bush administration, or a more reasonable bill.
The bill Bush wants stops pending lawsuits against phone companies that illegally handed over the phone calls and emails of Americans. Stopping lawsuits that could uncover the truth about illegal spying lets him off the hook. And it gives no incentives for companies to follow the law in the future.
So where do you get parts GMC70? Of course you may not need them, back then they build them to last!
Thursday was both a good day and a bad day for Ron Paul.
First, the good news: Ron Paul has unveiled his Comprehensive Economic Revitalization Plan. Other candidates may peddle so-called “stimulus” packages, but only the bold economic vision laid out by Dr. Paul provides a real plan for reforming our economic system.
And Friday, newly appointed economic advisor Donald Luskin will discuss Ron Paul’s economic plan on Mancow at 9:30 AM ET and on Ed Schultz at 1:30 PM ET. Listen in and enjoy!
Today we also unveiled a new graphic on our front page which we call “There were 11, now there are 5″, which highlights the fact that over half of the original contenders for the GOP presidential nomination have now dropped out of the race. Who will be next? Can Rudy Giuliani survive more primary losses to Dr. Paul than the five he’s already sustained?
But now the bad news: Not surprisingly, the political and media establishment are trying to stop Ron Paul’s message from getting out. Just look at what’s happening in Louisiana. The Louisiana Republican Party has only posted “unofficial” results from the state’s Jan. 22 caucuses on their website. And they are claiming that John McCain won with Ron Paul in second.
But we suspect that when all of the provisional ballots are counted, Ron Paul’s showing will be even better. For more information on the “boondoggle in the bayou”, read ABC News’ coverage here.
There’s a ton going on, and as always, more news will be coming. But as you know, we are competing against an entrenched media and political elite. For that reason, it is even more important that we have the war chest necessary to get Dr. Paul’s message – our message – out to the rest of our country. Donate as generously as you can now: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate.
The fight has just begun.
The lawsuits are all but pointless, the Government would claim as they have in other suits that National security is involved. I liked one that they were talking about yesterday, where the phone company are dropped as the defendant and the U.S. Government is named. But it would stipulate that the Government resend their right to have to agree to be sued. It actually had some Bipartisan support for it!
I didn’t get a chance to watch it last night, I’ll YouTube it later today. I’ve already read that they gave him 3 questions in an hour and forty minutes. I have hope that this is just as transparent to other people. I know that supporters of the other candidates will just say it’s sour grapes on our part, but then again, you are who you support. I’d expect nothing less.
I posted this during the debate:
Writerdog
Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink
I am watching the Republic debate on MSNBC, I guess I got my answer. I will make a confession.
I have a great deal of respect for Sen. Mc Cain, even after all he has done that I disagree with I still think of him as a brave man who served his country with honor and deserves our respect as a nation.
BUT if I could ask him one question, “ I know why the support of the surge was good, we went in with too few boots on the ground in Iraq to get the after job done. It was not a strategy or even a tactic but simple an “OH CRAP, need to fix this!”. But sir, I believe you to be a thinking and rational man, if I found I need to vote for a Republic. I could vote for you with the correct answer to the question. What is you afterthought?
There is not military solution as it stands unless the plan is to wait for the Terrorists and insurgents to die of old age. Or we plan to occupy Iraq till the world stops turning. And please do not insult my intelligence by using the meaningless phrases such as “ As soon as the Iraqis stand up we will stand down!””.
Well he was asked about the same question in a shorter version, his answer was more meaningless phrase and no plan for using the reduction in fighting for a meaningful use. I Could not vote for him even against Hillary.
Writerdog
Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:27 pm | Permalink
Yes Chas, sadly we crapped our pants by invading and no one seem to have given any real thought what to do now. Short of going naked and having our crappy butt hanging out in plain sight. Or wearing those pants till the smell dies down and hopefully goes away. Neither is a good answer, a simple pull out would mean we had broken Iraq and walked away. But to stay without us actually doing something that will fix what WE broke. Means we would be libel for everything that does go wrong, we would be the police force of Iraq at the cost of our own country. There are some, enemy and “friend” alike would think we would deserve to lose this country for that invasion. We were the aggressor and the world does not like aggressors those that use their military and power in general to invoke their will upon the other countries.
WE are not the soviets and follow the Communist doctrine of spread Communism by force. There were those within our Government that forgot they were in America and not in the Soviet Union.
Writerdog
Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink
I am watching the Republic debate on MSNBC, I guess I got my answer. I will make a confession.
I have a great deal of respect for Sen. Mc Cain, even after all he has done that I disagree with I still think of him as a brave man who served his country with honor and deserves our respect as a nation.
BUT if I could ask him one question, “ I know why the support of the surge was good, we went in with too few boots on the ground in Iraq to get the after job done. It was not a strategy or even a tactic but simple an “OH CRAP, need to fix this!”. But sir, I believe you to be a thinking and rational man, if I found I need to vote for a Republic. I could vote for you with the correct answer to the question. What is you afterthought?
There is not military solution as it stands unless the plan is to wait for the Terrorists and insurgents to die of old age. Or we plan to occupy Iraq till the world stops turning. And please do not insult my intelligence by using the meaningless phrases such as “ As soon as the Iraqis stand up we will stand down!””.
Well he was asked about the same question in a shorter version, his answer was more meaningless phrase and no plan for using the reduction in fighting for a meaningful use. I Could not vote for him even against Hillary.
Dog, if you are contemplating McCain and do not like the US entrenched in war, ponder this: while campaigning in Michigan, a voter asked McCain “Sir, if elected president, how many wars would you get us involved in?” McCain’s response: “Many, but we’ll win ‘em all.”
MCCains military service is laudable, and it seems at times that it is what totally defines his candidacy.
When McCain caved to the Bush campaign dirty tricks in 00, he demonstrated that he can be intimidated / blackmailed. He stated that being from a border state he “knows” how to solve the immigration problem — where has he been the last 25 years?
Nice guy, war hero and all but not a president.
Not really considering him, just looking to see who might be an alterative to Hillary in case she gets the nod. I am a realist in that even though I fully support Dr, Paul I know it is more then a uphill battle to get him in. The party and the media is so against him that I have concerns that even if he got number 1 in every primary. We would never hear about it!
But in the strangest sense that I can not explain, Mc Cain seems the lesser of the Neoconservatives running? Romney is just a plastic figure head, Huckabee seemed a maybe until I heard him talking about the Constitution and needed to change it to follow Biblical principles. And Giuliani well I voted for Bush once in 2000. It turns out that was once too many times. I wouldn’t do that again! LOL now I know how the Democrats felt that voted for Gore in 2000… Sure is a crappy feeling huh?
I hate to be an ass here but didn’t McCain get shot down and captured? He did survive the imprisonment, so that is to be lauded but he should have fought to the death to get back those left over there. That’s what I want to hear from this supposed “hero of war”. Every veteran is a hero, doesn’t make them all a good choice for President. There are vets (hero’s) destitute, living in the streets, how many of these supposed “Compassionate Conservatives” pass them by, yelling, “get a job, you drunk”?
When Dr. Paul doesn’t get the nod, I’ll still write him in. And if it’s a “wasted vote” in someone else’s eyes, too bad. I’ll NEVER vote for evil, regardless of how much less one is to another.
“Compassionate Conservatives” pass them by, yelling, “get a job, you drunk”?
Did you check their ID cards Pleefer?
It was truly sad that we were in such a hurry to try and forget the Vietnam war we also rushed to forget those left behind. Hell we forgot those that did make it home, I once said to a guy who had served two tours “Welcome home soldier job well done!”. He started crying and I did not know what to do and asked what was wrong? He said he had been back in America for over ten years and I was the first to ever say that to him. Even his own parents did not welcome him after he returned! He guessed they must have figured he did not want to talk about it.
What do you mean Outlander?
Were you combining my comment just now with my comment earlier to Regular’s “CBP Reminds Land, Sea Border Crossers that New Procedures Start Jan. 31″ post?
Almost funny.
CLINTON CULTURE OF CORRUPTION CONTINUES….
Photo Surfaces Showing Sen. Clinton Posing With Chicago Landlord Rezko
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/25/photo-surfaces-showing-sen-clinton-posing-with-chicago-landlord-rezko/
In a televised debate earlier this week, Hillary Clinton attacked Barack Obama in a heated exchange for engaging in a land deal with Rezko while Obama was in the Illinois legislature. Obama has severed ties with the businessman, who supported Obama’s campaigns earlier in his career.
Oh, and Pleefer. If you are ignorant about a person’s story, best to just remain quiet.
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On October 26, 1967, during his 23rd air mission, McCain’s plane was shot down over the North Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. His captors soon learned he was the son of a high-ranking officer in the U.S. Navy and repeatedly offered him early release, but McCain refused, not wanting to violate the military code of conduct and knowing that the North Vietnamese would use his release as a powerful piece of propaganda.
He eventually spent five and a half years in various prison camps, three and a half of those in solitary confinement, and was repeatedly beaten and tortured before he was finally released, along with other American POWs, in March 1973, two months after the Vietnam cease fire went into effect.
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He refused to be released. McCain is a true American hero.
I probably have taken hundreds of thousands of pictures. … I wouldn’t know him if he walked in the door. I don’t have a 17-year-relationship with him,” alluding to Obama’s ties to Rezko.
now post the link showing Clinton’s relationship with him, or you’ve lost all credence.
You’d think if the Clintons embraced a fraudulent, extorting slum-lord, they’d get your vote, for sure.
outlander, I’m sure pleefer wasn’t questioning McCain’s valor, only suggesting that one he’d returned, he could have used his position and power to do more for those left behind. Maybe McCain did do all he could, and maybe he didn’t. I have a hard enough time getting into my own head, much less his.
Funny, pictures of preznit bush with jack abramhoff are no big deal, but pictures with the clintons or gore are a VERY big deal.
Hypocrisy, thy name is…
Rezko can bunk with Hsu, and they can swap stories about the good ole days in the White House with Billary.
Hey Farm girl!
There’s a new sushi place on the west side of town. Sushi and chinese.
I got a coupon!
LOL I was just telling mrs Dog that I want to get Chinaese tomorrow. But I think she want to go to El dordu she does love to go to the second hand shops there!
UTICA, New York – Buoyed by a tide of African-American support, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is almost 20 points ahead of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton in the days ahead of the South Carolina Democratic Party primary.
A Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby telephone poll taken Jan. 20-22 shows Obama holding 43% support from likely Democratic voters, compared to Clinton’s 25% support. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards trails at 15%. The survey included 811 likely Democratic primary voters and has a margin for error of +/-3.4 percentage points.
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Once Edwards gets knocked out, it’s clear sailing for Obama to sweep into November.
ghotiphaze is correct about my intention outlander.
But on the other hand, was it right for Kerry’s service to be called into question?
Bushs’?
You don’t KNOW McCain’s record, only what has been said.
Read this, try to research it.
Here’s more.
I’m just a cynical, iconoclast with misanthropic tendencies, brah.
But Ron Paul and his history as a real leader have almost cured me.
You don’t get to positions of power if you’re “clean”.
Exactly the reason why my candidate is being shut out.
You’re a ‘Nam vet, aren’t ya, pleefer?
No brother, but my father and most everyone I respect is. they got me interested in looking at a different perspective after telling me about Air America.
I’m just a wee baby of 34.
Capn, you wish. It’s going to be neck in neck for Clinton and Obama. In the end, Clinton will prevail.
I’m not too worried about South Carolina.
kfg, are you volunteering to be a captain for your county caucus? I hope so.
Our dinky neocon county is expecting a huge turnout in favor of Hillary. I’m so excited.
I really hope the stalker law passes. It’s long time that the law gets teeth against violence against women.
“Once Edwards gets knocked out, it’s clear sailing for Obama to sweep into November.”
I’ve been really surprised by you Capn.
You youself are a fighter. WHY would you want Obama? He’s a compromising schmoozer. The GOP would LOVE to “work with” him.
We have his past laurels he heaped on Ronald Reagan and the GOP as the “party of ideas”.
In the last debate, he NOW wants to work with Evangelical Christians!
Now we can work with Christians who want to be good stewards of the Earth and help us in seeing that the least of us is cared for. But Obama shows hints of embracing the haters and bigots among the faithful.
I won’t be forgetting any of my friends to work with my enemies thanks. I don’t know how many I speak for, but I cannot vote for Obama. If he is the nominee I’ll vote Green party or stay home.
I’m just a wee baby of 34
LOL, I have SOCKS as old as you. Still have a few bits and pieces of my military issue. Dang socks just won’t wear out and can’t outgrow them like the rest of my fatigues.
Pmom, with all due respect…
I’ve said repeatedly that I am no longer a democrat. And I sure as HELL am not a republican.Of course with governor “leadership” at the helm, there really is no difference between the parties in kansas.
Heh Hank. I’m not gonna be in Wichita anytime soon, but sushi and chinese sound great. Right now, I get my Asian food fix at the Vietnamese restaurant in Hays. GREAT spring rolls, and noodles with HOT peppers.
Besides, out here, at the caucuses, with the exception of the great Bob Hooper, democrats just ask tim peterson and glenn staab what they want. And then, like the good sheeple they are, they give it to them.
Makes the Vote ____! It’s easier than thinking bumpersticker valid. Just fill in the blank…
I’d vote Bob Hooper KING for life! heheheheheh. He’s forgotten more about water issues than I will ever know.
I’m sorry KFG, I thought you were in support of Clinton.
I’m sorry that you’ve chosen to leave the party. You know, Sebelius is supposedly about to endorse Obama. I’m in the process of writing her asking her not to.
I may not be happy with her about this, but overall, I can’t say I’m against her as she’s pushed for many good pro-LGBT, pro-women things.
but sushi and chinese sound great
He was alluding to the high doses of mercury and other nasty-naughties found in oriental cuisine lately.
They didn’t have Oriental cuisine when I lived in Hays. The only exotic (non-American) food when lived there was Taco Tico just off campus across from Dillon’s and Taco Grande on Vine.
http://www.WhiteHouseForSale.org.
The Top Bundlers Bunglers:
OBAMA
Total Raised:
$78,915,507
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Bundlers: 359
Lobbyist Bundlers: 9
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CLINTON
Total Raised:
$78,507,181
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Bundlers: 322
Lobbyist Bundlers: 18
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GIULIANI
Total Raised:
$44,559,299
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Bundlers: 225
Lobbyist Bundlers: 29
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ROMNEY
Total Raised:
$43,999,833
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Bundlers: 345
Lobbyist Bundlers: 13
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MCCAIN
Total Raised:
$30,306,621
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Bundlers: 443
Lobbyist Bundlers: 32
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EDWARDS
Total Raised:
$29,935,179
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Bundlers: 665
Lobbyist Bundlers: 1
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HUCKABEE
Total Raised:
$2,340,735
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Bundlers: 15
Lobbyist Bundlers: 0
Pmom, I was a Kucinich supporter, but I’ll default to Hillary. I dont have to BE a kansas democrat to support individual candidates. Watching sebelius, hensley, mckinney, phelps, lee, JAN FREAKIN’ PAULS, candy ruff, and a host of knotheads too numerous to mention, I’ll be damned if the kansas democrats will get another dime or ounce of work out of me.
And as for sebelius being pro-LGBT, I could tell you truthfully the crap she and hers have pulled behind the scenes to undermine us. It would curl your hair.
But in deference to Tom, and KEC, who are valiantly still trying to work WITH the assholes, I wont do it here.
I’d vote TOM king for life as well. :)
ghotiphaze
Heh, Hank might be trying to poison me, but mercury will have to take a number and stand in line behind all the other vile stuff I ingest. Our “sushi” conversation has gone on since my very first post.
And BTW, you ARE an old bastard if you remember Taco Tico in Hays. But I do remember when Taco Grande was exotic food. And the Taco Shop delivered to McMindes…
The Vietnamese food in Hays is really good. I try not to do too much business over there so I dont pay their sales tax to drain Cedar Bluff. But dammit, sometimes a grrl just needs spring rolls!
I’d really like to know. You’re welcome to email me with the info.
You know my org wouldn’t like that.
I don’t consider those others real democrats.
My wife has a little vietnamese patient that brings us spring rolls. . .
If I was single…
And she wasn’t 80 something. . .
Heh Hank. I’m not too proud to date someone who’s 80…
I’m envisioning an older Tila Tequila who cooks…
That cant be ALL bad…
I don’t find George Soros listed at all, be nice if the Repub. spin machine had as much integrity as the Center for Public Integrity. Your article made it sound like Soros all but owned the org.
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tax to drain Cedar Bluff
They talking about doing that AGAIN?!?!@?
I remember as an ankle-biter being able to walk ACROSS the the lake. (And no barbs about $h|t floats)
*ducks*
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp
Total Raised Total Spent
Clinton $90,935,788 $40,472,775
Obama $80,256,427 $44,169,236
Edwards $30,329,152 $17,932,103
Romney $62,829,069 $53,612,552
Giuliani $47,253,521 $30,603,695
McCain $32,124,785 $28,636,157
Huckabee $2,345,798 $1,694,497
And the Winner is:
Cash on Hand
Clinton $50,463,013
Obama $36,087,191
Edwards $12,397,048
Romney $9,216,517
Giuliani $16,649,826
McCain $3,488,628
Huckabee $651,301
Heard McCain talking about ‘raising the White flag of Surrender’ he’s an idiot, and doesn’t have a chance.
Not doing it again G, doing it STILL.
Hays and Russell have been draining Cedar Bluff for the ethanol plant and Hays’ imagined growth for the past three years.
And it shows.
J R
Posted January 25, 2008 at 11:07 am
“I won’t be forgetting any of my friends to work with my enemies thanks. I don’t know how many I speak for, but I cannot vote for Obama. If he is the nominee I’ll vote Green party or stay home.”
Sorry JR, I wouldn’t mind seeing Hilary elected president, but it aint going to happen.
I predict that if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, the republicans will win the presidential election. Hillary will turn out the rabid republican base (Max and friends) like abortion and gay marriage never did.
Personally, I like Edwards, but I’ll support who ever gets the nod. ANY Democrat is better than having another republican in office.
“If he (Obama) is the nominee I’ll vote Green party or stay home.”
JR, that’s like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Too bad, grrl. I had lots of good times there as a kid.
Don’t get up to Hays like I used to. Even my sister moved near Catherine to get out of town. Too big for a small town, and too small for a big town.
Hey, ghotiphaze, I’ve got some of those socks, too, which, as you say, are the only things that still fit; and Pleefer, to add insult to injury, I think I’ve got some underwear older than you. :-)
I think I’ve got some underwear older than you.
LOL, too funny. Y’know it doesn’t count you quit wearing any in 1970
*ducks*
I hope to someday be able to claim to have underwear and socks that old. Y’know, pass em on to the grandkids. Heheh
You guys are surely NOT talking about those nasty green socks with the added cushion in the sole?
The ones that stretch right up to over the top of the boot?
I got a buddy who still wears them. They look especially sharp with his brown or blue dockers.
Geeze guys, live a little – go sock shopping with your tax rebate.
But the green socks in the compost bin, with all the bacterium they hold – they will make a great
activator!@
Put the green socks in the bin.
(The smell will be the same.)
Max – interesting how much Huckabee has done with so little money.
I noticed Ben on Huckabee. Not sure how accurate those numbers are, but I posted the sources.
Does money really by the Whitehouse?
If true, America is very stupid indeed.
Huckabee is a Baptist Minister. Perhaps he is doing a “fishes and loaves” with the available campaign money. :)
Hey, Eagle Beak, those green socks as you describe still work well with my remaining pair of genuine U.S. Air Force issue combat boots, which I wear at times during snowy weather (weekends, usually). There’s a lot of life still in those socks and the boots, too. No compost bin for them, well, not yet.
Regular, when Hucklebee runs out of money, it will be more like him trying to raise Lazarus, from the dead.
My last remaining pair of combat boots (tropical issue with the cammie) didn’t have enough tread left on them to walk across anything. How on earth are you getting any traction on the snow and ice?
And they are far from insulated.
You should have taken the traditional route: tied them together and flung them over a telephone line
somewhere!
I’ve gone through probably a hundred pair or so (who really counts over 35 years time?) of other socks, and even gone through MOST of my green military socks. but a couple have still hung on, and they are so appreciated on these ought-something degree temps we’ve been given.
All my boots have long since given up the ghost, ‘cept for my Mickey Mouse extreme cold-weather boots. Y’know the kind that blow up on your feet (that’ll keep ‘em warm, huh?) with air bladders.
With the economy taking center stage in the race for the nomination, and Gov. Romney altering his message in Florida to concentrate thereon, is the real Mitt Romney coming forth, and other interesting speculation.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12639
Eagle Beak,
Mine are the “old style” black ones. They are not worn regularly or for long periods, and it looks like I’ve got a few more years of tread on them. You’re right; they sure aren’t insulated, hence the green socks.
Eagle,
No offense Vaughn, but we are talking about Air Force boots here, right?
Of course they didn’t get much wear!
Yep, Nathan, you’re right; they didn’t get much wear, given my soft office job flying a typewriter in Indiana for four years. :-)
WE EDITORS:
Have you seen this story yet?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/60minutes/main3749494.shtml
Interrogator: Invasion Surprised Saddam
“Saddam still wouldn’t admit he had no weapons of mass destruction, even when it was obvious there would be military action against him because of the perception he did. Because, says Piro, “For him, it was critical that he was seen as still the strong, defiant Saddam. He thought that [faking having the weapons] would prevent the Iranians from reinvading Iraq,” he tells Pelley.”
I was going to suggest Vaughn was an office poggey with no field wear, but Nathan managed a much better response. He managed to insult the entire BRANCH of service….;-)
I think “field” for flyboys meant an air-conditioned trailer with kingsize beds. And dinner
from Ruth’s Chris.
I’ll bet he has a John Wayne that has never been opened!
And wasn’t Socks, a famous cat?
Neat link to see which candidate comes close to your personal views:
Answer 20 questions and it tells you which presidential candidate you’re best matched with.
wnyw.4wmt.com/cmm
Hey, guys, not an officer, but soft duty no question. You won’t hear me dispute that.
Interesting announcement from Tyson about its Emporia plant; ceasing slaughtering operations next week, lay off of 1500. More at link.
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/292166.html
Immigration officials detaining, deporting American citizens
By Marisa Taylor | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008
FLORENCE, Ariz. — Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he’s never seen. His jailers shrugged off Warziniack’s claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before it shipped him to Arizona.
On Thursday, Warziniack finally became a free man. Immigration officials released him after his family, who learned about his predicament from McClatchy, produced a birth certificate and after a U.S. senator demanded his release.
“The immigration agents told me they never make mistakes,” Warziniack said in an earlier phone interview from jail. “All I know is that somebody dropped the ball.”
The story of how immigration officials decided that a small-town drifter with a Southern accent was an illegal Russian immigrant illustrates how the federal government mistakenly detains and sometimes deports American citizens.
U.S. citizens who are mistakenly jailed by immigration authorities can get caught up in a nightmarish bureaucratic tangle in which they’re simply not believed.
An unpublished study by the Vera Institute of Justice, a New York nonprofit organization, in 2006 identified 125 people in immigration detention centers across the nation who immigration lawyers believed had valid U.S. citizenship claims.
Vera initially focused on six facilities where most of the cases surfaced. The organization later broadened its analysis to 12 sites and plans to track the outcome of all cases involving citizens.
Nina Siulc, the lead researcher, said she thinks that many more American citizens probably are being erroneously detained or deported every year because her assessment looked at only a small number of those in custody. Each year, about 280,000 people are held on immigration violations at 15 federal detention centers and more than 400 state and local contract facilities nationwide.
Unlike suspects charged in criminal courts, detainees accused of immigration violations don’t have a right to an attorney, and three-quarters of them represent themselves. Less affluent or resourceful U.S. citizens who are detained must try to maneuver on their own through a complicated system.
“It becomes your word against the government’s, even when you know and insist that you’re a U.S. citizen,” Siulc said. “Your word doesn’t always count, and the government doesn’t always investigate fully.”
Officials with ICE, the federal agency that oversees deportations, maintain that such cases are isolated because agents are required to obtain sufficient evidence that someone is an illegal immigrant before making an arrest. However, they don’t track the number of U.S. citizens who are detained or deported.
“We don’t want to detain or deport U.S. citizens,” said Ernestine Fobbs, an ICE spokeswoman. “It’s just not something we do.”
While immigration advocates agree that the agents generally release detainees before deportation in clear-cut cases, they said that ICE sometimes ignores valid assertions of citizenship in the rush to ship out more illegal immigrants.
Proving citizenship is especially difficult for the poor, mentally ill, disabled or anyone who has trouble getting a copy of his or her birth certificate while behind bars.
Pedro Guzman, a mentally disabled U.S. citizen who was born in Los Angeles, was serving a 120-day sentence for trespassing last year when he was shipped off to Mexico. Guzman was found three months later trying to return home. Although federal government attorneys have acknowledged that Guzman was a citizen, ICE spokeswoman Virginia Kice said Thursday that her agency still questions the validity of his birth certificate.
Last March, ICE agents in San Francisco detained Kebin Reyes, a 6-year-old boy who was born in the U.S., for 10 hours after his father was picked up in a sweep. His father says he wasn’t permitted to call relatives who could care for his son, although ICE denies turning down the request.
The number of U.S. citizens who are swept up in the immigration system is a small fraction of the number of illegal immigrants who are deported, but in the last several years immigration lawyers report seeing more detainees who turn out to be U.S. citizens.
The attorneys said the chances of mistakes are growing as immigration agents step up sweeps in the country and state and local prisons with less experience in immigration matters screen more criminals on behalf of ICE.
ICE’s Fobbs said agents move as quickly as possible to check stories of people who claim they’re American citizens. But she said that many of the cases involve complex legal arguments, such as whether U.S. citizenship is derived from parents, which an immigration judge has to sort out.
“We have to be careful we don’t release the wrong person,” she said.
In Warziniack’s case, ICE officials appear to have been oblivious to signs that they’d made a serious mistake.
After he was arrested in Colorado on a minor drug charge, Warziniack told probation officials there wild stories about being shot seven times, stabbed twice and bombed four times as a Russian army colonel in Afghanistan, according to court records. He also insisted that he swam ashore to America from a Soviet submarine.
Court officials were skeptical. Not only did his story seem preposterous, but the longtime heroin addict also had a Southern accent and didn’t speak Russian.
Colorado court officials quickly determined his true identity in a national crime database: He was a Minnesota-born man who grew up in Georgia. Before Warziniack was sentenced to prison on the drug charge, his probation officer surmised in a report that he could be mentally ill.
Although it took only minutes for McClatchy to confirm with Minnesota officials that a birth certificate under Warziniack’s name and birth date was on file, Colorado prison officials notified federal authorities that Warziniack was a foreign-born prisoner…….Continue reading at:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/25392.html
Nathan: A lot of countries with expreience in the middle East figured he was just bragging, a rather common occurance and need in that part of the world. If he declared Iraq defenceless, other more religious countries might make a move agianst this secular Arab state, especially Iran. I read this line of logic some years ago in the British press.
Regular: Will this passport thing apply to the Mexcian border as well? Or are we just worried about a flood of immigrants from Canucksitan stealing jobs?
Bush believed Saddam’s propaganda!! Ya just cantmake this stuff up!!
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Vaughn Tolle
Posted January 25, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
Interesting announcement from Tyson about its Emporia plant; ceasing slaughtering operations next week, lay off of 1500. More at link.
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/292166.html
Quote from that URL
“Bond also said cattle production had moved from eastern Kansas, where Emporia is located, to western Kansas in the last few decades.”
I think all those Western Kansas towns that have built up illegal immigration camps has come back to bite the local labor force in the butt.
But hey, we can let them attend our universities with in state tuition fees to subsidies their “illegal” stay in the U.S. :)
The really BIG feeder lots have been in Western Kansas for at least the last 30 years.. Tyson is a relative newcomer in Emporia..
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sursum
Posted January 25, 2008 at 6:16 pm | Permalink
Regular: Will this passport thing apply to the Mexcian border as well? Or are we just worried about a flood of immigrants from Canucksitan stealing jobs?
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Those Canadians are sneaky, have to watch them every moment!
If all the corporations want a repub for president and the downtrodden, poor and destitute want a dem for president, HOW DID HILLARY AND OBAMA GET ALL THAT MONEY?
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Gene Raston
Posted January 25, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink
If all the corporations want a repub for president and the downtrodden, poor and destitute want a dem for president, HOW DID HILLARY AND OBAMA GET ALL THAT MONEY?
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The same way Edwards got $50,000 for making a speech about the poor. :)
Never bother to tell anybody that $50,000 is the going rate for those kinds of speeches… Reagan got even more than that or a few speeches after he was done being President… So did George Bush, the Elder…
A 25-year-old migrant worker who fled a hit-and-run crash that killed a 23-year-old Dodson woman pleaded guilty to criminally negligent homicide today in Multnomah County Circuit Court.
Rosendo Corona Rosales also pleaded guilty in front of Judge Eric J. Bergstrom to failure to perform the duties of a driver. Under a plea agreement, Corona Rosales will spend 58 months in jail and be deported to Mexico when his sentence is up.
On the morning of July 14, 2006, Kimberly McDaniel went for her customary morning run along a frontage road in the Columbia River Gorge. Rosales Corona’s car left the highway, striking McDaniel with the front of her car. She was thrown 15 to 20 feet into the bushes with massive head injuries and other major trauma.
A passing couple, who thought they spotted a life jacket — really McDaniel’s orange T-shirt — went to her aid. Trauma surgeons performed two emergency surgeries in an attempt to relieve pressure on her brain, but she died 30 hours later.
Doctors told her mother and stepfather — Janet and Allen Tremain — that Kimberly would have had a 40 to 50 percent chance of surviving if she had gotten immediate medical help. Instead, she lay bleeding from a ruptured jugular vein for nearly an hour. Her chances dropped to 5 or 10 percent.
“What kind of person leaves someone to die alone like that?” Janet Tremain asked during a statement she made to the court. “I wonder how can any human being do that to another, how can he drive away and not give any thought to what he did? He let Kimberly lie there in the bushes, suffering and in pain.”
Investigators with the Multnomah County Vehicular Crimes Team recovered a passenger side-mirror from the car that struck McDaniel, but precious few other clues.
In October 2006, they recovered a 1987 Nissan Sentra in Wenatchee, Wash. The mirror recovered at the scene was a perfect match for one missing from the Sentra. A year to the day after McDaniel died, Detective Jay Pentheny of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and Detective Jason Servo of the Gresham Police Department arrested Rosales Corona as he walked down a street in Lodi, Calif.
The two were acting on a tip that Rosales Corona — who had been living in The Dalles after entering the country illegally and then returning after the crash — was back in the U.S. and living in California.
ANYBODY THINK THAT THIS FAMILY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUE EVERY PRESIDENT AND MEMBER OF CONGRESS SINCE 1986, FOR THIS TO HAVE HAPPENED? THEY are at fault
This atrocity happened in 2006?? All of those Presidents and Members of Congress are somehow guilty, how??
Senor Corona enter the country, left the country, and RE-Entered the country during which Administration?
Chas, I think Gene Ralston was referring to the 1986 amnesty and how illegal immigration hasn’t been addressed since then. He didn’t mention anything partisan, he held all responsible.
Only you Chas, want to bring partisanship in it.
It’s a national problem that has not been addressed.
It is a national issue, not a partisan issue.
A very good comparison of the three data sets,
‘Global Temperature from GISS, NCDC, HadCRU’
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/giss-ncdc-hadcru/
The 1986 Amnesty came under Reagan… Its pretty hard NOT to make it partisan…
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Chas.
Posted January 25, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink
The 1986 Amnesty came under Reagan… Its pretty hard NOT to make it partisan…
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That’s true Chas, but under a Democratic Congress which had dominated the previous 40 years.
As I said Chas, you can try to make this a partisan issue, but it isn’t.
I know you will try anyway, because you can’t see past the bridge of your Leftist Liberal nose.
But — The AMNESTY was granted under Reagan… NOT turned around under Bush… Clinton did little… And Bush II has done absolutely NOTHING…
We didnt have that kind of problem in those previous 40 years of Democratic Congress!!
Geez, it is only as partisan as the President who is in Office when this crap happens!! Clinton had NOTHING to do with this one… This one, (Sr. Corona) had all to do with the Bush II Administration, and its failure to do much of anything about Illegal entry!!
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Chas.
Posted January 25, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink
But — The AMNESTY was granted under Reagan… NOT turned around under Bush… Clinton did little… And Bush II has done absolutely NOTHING…
We didnt have that kind of problem in those previous 40 years of Democratic Congress!!
Geez, it is only as partisan as the President who is in Office when this crap happens!! Clinton had NOTHING to do with this one… This one, (Sr. Corona) had all to do with the Bush II Administration, and its failure to do much of anything about Illegal entry!!
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Wrong again Chas.
When I lived in San Antonio, I had my car hit twice by illegal aliens. The first one was minor, the second totaled my car when the illegal alien did a U-turn right in front of me.
Of course, the illegal alien had no license nor insurance.
It’s a very long term problem Chas and it is a national problem, not a partisan problem.
That has nothing to do with Amnesty… You’re changing the subject, as normal!! Geez….
I’m talking about the illegal immigration issue being a long term problem Chas, not amnesty.
You know Chas, it would do you good every once in awhile to swallow your pride and conclude that others not of your ideology might have a valid point on a subject.
Narrow-minded people get narrow-minded perceptions.
Illegal immigration is a national problem, not a partisan problem.
Hey cosmos,
Thanks for the link! Any reasonable evaluation of the data would indicate we’re now safe! Global cooling is now taking place!
James you know very well that no other administration except Bush is to blame for this Hit and run by Senor Corona… IF there is any administration to blame — He ENTERED the country illegally in BUSH’s administration…. He left the country after the accident… in BUSH’s administration… and then he RETURNED in BUSH’s administration!! Now, JAMES… How the hell does that have anything to do with any administration BEFORE BUSH!! BUSH has done nothing to help this particular problem from happening!!!
And, BTW, this Hit qnd Run atrocity has NOTHING to do with Liberal or Conservative!!
It has everything to do with why for 7 years Bush has done nothing in his power to STOP this sort of incident from happening, over and over… This is an AMERICAN PROBLEM… So, stash your stupid partisan B***ShI** and pull your head out of your A$$!!
Troll meltdown tonight.
Get the garden hose out.
Troll meltdown again tonight.
Get the garden hose out, and cover the eyes of the children!
You are one ignorant fool Chas.
I’ve already said this is a national issue and not a partisan issue several times.
Then you suddenly come to revelation with this statement:
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Chas.
Posted January 25, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink
And, BTW, this Hit qnd Run atrocity has NOTHING to do with Liberal or Conservative!!
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Man Chas, it must suck to be you.
Ahh, but James, you old dawg… YOU started the partisan crap, by saying all I was doing was Liberal reaction… So, YOU are about as NON partisan on this thing as BUSH!!
It IS partisan, when BUSH and his cronies do nothing about situations that lead to such things as this Hit and Run atrocity!!
You cant hide behind BUSHCO, and pretend that it isnt HIS problem!! But, yet, that is exactly what you are trying to do… And then you say it is a National problem…
Fine, it is… but YOU are making it an anti-Liberal tirade!!
YOU James, are the spinning, dizzy, ignorant FOOL!!
Well,
I TRY not to bring religion into it.
But the facts are? Hank is an extreme fundamentalist Christian. I mean believes in Noah’s ark extreme.
This means that his world is not this one, but the next. He is just waiting for the rapture. For him this Earth is a bus station.
Now? Me I don’t see any magical event coming to save us from ourselves. God or no, I think we have to err as to stewardship of where we live now.
Not wanting to interfere any way with free speech. But maybe those who consider themselves transients of this world should withhold comment.
I mean their stake here is what? Their Earthly investments?
You responded first to Gene Ralston post Chas, then I responded to you, here’s the sequence. You’re the one that started the partisan talk, not me.
I pointed out, yet once gain for about the sixth time in this discussion, that it is a national issue, not a partisan issue.
Put down the weed Chas and clear your head, you’re cooking your brain.
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Chas.
Posted January 25, 2008 at 7:26 pm | Permalink
Senor Corona enter the country, left the country, and RE-Entered the country during which Administration?
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Regular
Posted January 25, 2008 at 7:36 pm | Permalink
Chas, I think Gene Ralston was referring to the 1986 amnesty and how illegal immigration hasn’t been addressed since then. He didn’t mention anything partisan, he held all responsible.
Only you Chas, want to bring partisanship in it.
It’s a national problem that has not been addressed.
It is a national issue, not a partisan issue.
And you know what is REALLY Sad? NONE of the alleged candidates for President has anything to offer this illegal invasion problem! NONE of them!! All they can come up with is some kind of Amnesty plan… no matter what they call it!!
I think there IS a way to deal with the problem… I have at least written to a few Senators that I know… and a couple of House members as well… of BOTH parties!!
I have only heard a response from TWO of them… both Senators… NONE of my contacts in the House have even replied!!
Pretty sad, eh??
And isnt it amazing, ever since YOU James, jumped in the middle of things, Good ol’ Gene Raston, hasnt responded at all… He must have mysteriously left it in your hands???
BTW, I dont do weed!!
Isnt it amazing, how ol’ Gene brought it all up, and then James takes over… Must make you feel like some kind of “expert” in your own mind!! LOL
Chas.
Posted January 25, 2008 at 11:19 pm | Permalink
And you know what is REALLY Sad? NONE of the alleged candidates for President has anything to offer this illegal invasion problem! NONE of them!! All they can come up with is some kind of Amnesty plan… no matter what they call it!!
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Absolutely false Chas.
McCain is the only one I know of that went along with the Amnesty plan in the Senate. All the other candidates were strong advocates of other programs to deal with the problem – border fence, crack down on employers, longer times before deportees could return, etc.
Interesting J R,
What is your education? How did you get to be so old and wise in the greatest country in the world and still not be able to even provide health insurance for your kid?
Like I said James >>
“All they can come up with is some kind of Amnesty plan… no matter what they call it!!”
Immigration.
Illegal immigration that is.
Well, I’m for amnesty.
And amnesty is a lousy answer because it only keeps Mexico corrupt and broken. But I have to err to keeping those fleeing a broken corrupt country from breaking and corrupting mine.
If there is amnesty, the illegals will no longer be exploitable by greedy American business. The rights and progress of American labor are protected a little.
Mexico stays broken but the greed heads on the right do not get to destroy American labor too.
Chas…
Re JimmyMac: DNFTT.
Well Hank I don’t see how your comment answered or even addressed mine.
I’ll try to answer yours.
My education is the college I could afford.
Before Ronald Reagan cut off funding.
“Greatest country in the world”? That’s disputable. Certainly advocating for America to be better is no insult.
I provided insurance to my son when I could. I didn’t deny it the less fortunate at that time either.
I also am not a kept man with a rich wife and a government pension.
Dear Hank Price,
How did you grow old in the “greatest country in the world”, and still be unable to understand the simplest basics of scientific methodology, and Earth’s climate?
Well, Good night; Good luck; etc., etc.
Blessings All!!
The reason:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/younge
The short answer cosmos is that Hank is above even considering such things.
I’ve posted before as to the perfect marriage of Conservatism and Evangelism.
Hank is well off because God ordains it so. Others are not well off or suffering because they are not right with God.
From there? It’s all easy. Self righteousness does that.
Because such as Hank are “right with God” they get to BE God. Which of course means that they are in whatever they do and however they think, divinely inspired. And so, never wrong. Even questioning that is blasphemy.
It appears that sea ice in the Antarctic is at an all time high, since the first record of 1979.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/s_plot_hires.png
And Arctic ice has rapidly recovered to nearly normal levels. More ice this year then last.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png
http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
Posted: January 7th, 2008
As of January 1, 2008 Environment Canada analysis indicates sea ice cover over the Northern Hemisphere has recovered to near normal extent. However, much of the thick multi-year ice in the eastern and even central Arctic Ocean has been depleted and replaced with thinner more newly formed first year ice.
My God, look at the snow cover in the US:
http://www.socc.ca/snow/snow_current_e.cfm#northamerica
OK J R,
I’ll address your comment.
First, you’re a liar. You write,
“Well,
I TRY not to bring religion into it.”
That J R, is a lie. The whole point of your post was to merely demean me because of my faith. It’s a little annoying trait of yours, to bring ‘religion into it’ every chance you can.
You continue,
“This means that his world is not this one, but the next.”
That’s not really too extreme my misguided agnostic friend. I would imagine the majority of Americans believe there’s more to this life than eternal death.
“He is just waiting for the rapture.”
You assume too much. I don’t hold much faith in the ‘rapture’. Never seen it mentioned in the KJV.
“For him this Earth is a bus station.”
Interesting analogy. If the earth is a bus station, you’re the bum in the corner with your hand out begging.
“Now? Me I don’t see any magical event coming to save us from ourselves. God or no, I think we have to err as to stewardship of where we live now.”
Oh really?
How in the hell are you going to ‘err as to stewardship’ of the earth when you are too sorry to even provide health insurance for your child?
If you don’t have the means to provide for your family that means that every day, every thing you do, including demeaning me and others on this BLOG because of our faith is more important than providing for your child.
“Not wanting to interfere any way with free speech. But maybe those who consider themselves transients of this world should withhold comment.”
Another lie. How many times over the last few years have you threatened to drive people from this BLOG? How many people have you bragged about driving from the BLOG?
“I mean their stake here is what? Their Earthly investments?”
Maybe, just maybe, it annoys me to see cheap politicians and their minions like cosmos try and destroy the economy of the greatest country in the world with junk science. Maybe, all I want is honest debate.
“What is your education? How did you get to be so old and wise in the greatest country in the world and still not be able to even provide health insurance for your kid?”
Please Hank, we have been thru this before. You know your question here is just b.s. Come on, you can do better than this…
It appears that sea ice in the Antarctic is at an all time high, since the first record of 1979.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/s_plot_hires.png
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Chas.
Posted January 25, 2008 at 11:33 pm | Permalink
Like I said James >>
“All they can come up with is some kind of Amnesty plan… no matter what they call it!!”
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:roll: Right Chas, incarceration, border fences, fining/convicting employers is an amnesty plan.
And Arctic ice has rapidly recovered to nearly normal levels. More ice this year then last.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png
http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
Posted: January 7th, 2008
As of January 1, 2008 Environment Canada analysis indicates sea ice cover over the Northern Hemisphere has recovered to near normal extent. However, much of the thick multi-year ice in the eastern and even central Arctic Ocean has been depleted and replaced with thinner more newly formed first year ice.
Ah, cosmos,
I’m trying to grow old gracefully. I disagree with your premise. I understand science better than most!
My God, look at the snow cover in the US:
http://www.socc.ca/snow/snow_current_e.cfm#northamerica
Sure getting hot in Wichita though.
Hey Steven,
It’s really hard to do ‘better than this’.
Tell me, how would you respond to J R? He attacks me out of the blue by demeaning my faith.
J R doesn’t bring anything of value to the debate, he merely has a problem with my existence.
How would you respond to a personal attack?
Well, well, Max, good to see you still dont get the difference between “weather” and “climate”.
It might be helpful for you to google “weather” and “climate” and thereby enlighten yourself, if that is even possible, since you are so brainwashed.
What a sad picture!
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Steven Davis
Posted January 26, 2008 at 12:13 am | Permalink
“What is your education? How did you get to be so old and wise in the greatest country in the world and still not be able to even provide health insurance for your kid?”
Please Hank, we have been thru this before. You know your question here is just b.s. Come on, you can do better than this…
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Actually, it’s a good question.
This country gives a lot of choices for employment , education and financial opportunity.
If you don’t take the opportunities, then no one is to blame but yourself.
Since when is there a correlation between education levels, and the ability to afford health insurance?
That sounds like a huge myth.
Sugar,
If cosmos points that last years ice had declined in the Arctic, then he would be all over it and squaling, “See there global warming! The ice is melting!”
When the ice recovers as Max points out, it suddenly becomes a weather issue.
right, go check yourself sugar and stop the spin.
Hank, I’m not Steven, but I’d ignore JR.
But what you said above, that’s a classic to keep. That’s what JR’s Daddy should have told him:
“How in the hell are you going to ‘err as to stewardship’ of the earth when you are too sorry to even provide health insurance for your child?
If you don’t have the means to provide for your family that means that every day, every thing you do, including demeaning me and others on this BLOG because of our faith is more important than providing for your child.”
And Hank is just as despicable as his son.
And I blew him up here for all to see.
No condescending “gentle people” that last of his. I burned him and he wanted to burn me back.
The fact is Hank that you and yours are supremely confident in your divine comfort. Just as I said.
You are more redeeming than your son. But not a whit smarter.
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sugar
Posted January 26, 2008 at 12:24 am | Permalink
Since when is there a correlation between education levels, and the ability to afford health insurance?
That sounds like a huge myth.
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You can stop hiding behind the sugar nickname Chas.
We all know that you embarrassed yourself and need to come back under a new nic.
Regular,
We both know Cosmos was all over the summer 2007 meltdown – Daily! As if those few months proved a long term trend toward disaster!
I see nothing wrong with occassionally mentioning the current ice extent status every couple of months or so.
If someone like Sugar wants to foolishly read something into a status update, that says more about Chas, oh I mean Sugar, then it does about me.
Yep Max.
Sorry, James Mac — one only needs to spin when one has no facts. When one has facts, there is no need to spin. Cosmos is not spinning, James.
You and Max are doing the spinning, James. I hope you brought plenty of dreidels for your spinning! LOL
Well, travel time in the morning. Time to pack up the lap top, and get ready for a long day’s drive. Night all!
You bash on me for not being able to afford heatlh insurance for myself and my son Hank.
Well when did you ever have to afford the same for you and your son?
Now me I don’t laugh at anyone or deride them their misfortune in this “greatest country on Earth” as you call it.
What of you?
Now you routinely brag your wealth here. And you and your son miss no opportunity to treat me as dirt under your feet.
I called out your faith? So what? You can’t answer as to it without attacking me?
Yeah some faith you got there.
So J R,
“No condescending “gentle people” that last of his. I burned him and he wanted to burn me back.”
I take this as an admission that the only purpose of your initial post was to attack my faith.
“The fact is Hank that you and yours are supremely confident in your divine comfort. Just as I said.”
Well, that’s not exactly what your said, but basically you’re correct. I am truly blessed. I am confident in my salvation.
And, I’m quite comfortable!
I hit a nerve and you hit back reactionary Hank.
It has been here ever thus.
JR, maybe Hank wasn’t blunt enough.
It was a fair question, to ask why you whine about not being able to afford health care for your son when you have so much time to blog all day.
So why don’t you get a job instead of blogging all day?
You wouldn’t have time to whine on the WE about how poor you are, but you would earn your own $$$ and gain some pride in being self-reliant AND able to support your own.
And WHY are you so defensive as to your faith?
Is it SO in need of defending by little you?
Uh yeah “Max”
I get that you are another of James’s puppets and I have said so.
Blog all day tomorrow on it.
Well J R,
Another lie!
“Now you routinely brag your wealth here.”
When have I ever bragged about my wealth here? No, my jealous, pitiful little man, the only thing routine about my ‘wealth’ is your constant mention of it.
If I brag about my wealth, how wealthy am I? Surely, if I brag about it so much you should have an idea of how ‘rich’ I am!
“And you and your son miss no opportunity to treat me as dirt under your feet.”
Another incredible lie. I have always treated you and your son as polite and gracious as I have treated any one else on this BLOG that I have had the pleasure to meet and talk with.
They call that projection, followed by rationalization, Max.
There appears to be a lot of that on this blog.
I’ve added “bold”, in case Max has reading problems.
Max posted January 26, 2008 at 12:14 am
“However, much of the thick multi-year ice in the eastern and even central Arctic Ocean has been depleted and replaced with thinner more newly formed first year ice.”
Max, three very simple, obvious questions:
1) Max, which melts faster — thick, or thin ice? Max can do that simple experiment in the comfort of his heated home.
2) Max, when the “thinner more newly formed first year ice” melts, the Arctic ocean will warm faster. What happens after that, this year?
3) Max, what happens to the ice in 2009, 2010, 2011, …?
Thanks james the proof. You are “Max”
How many other nics are you?
Hank? Was it I who mentioned that your vet bill for your sheep hobby was in excess of a hundred thousand dollars?
I didn’t make you post your hi from London either. OR your admonition to bloggers to get there and see the play you saw on a whim.
Oh and the “little man” bit?
I’ve got ya beat on stature Hank. What are you about 5 foot 4?
And in stature otherwise, I’ll take mine against yours.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/is_there_a_carb/#comment-253682
Good Cosmos, you can read.
1. Duh Cosmos, who said anything different?
2 & 3. Cosmos, only you and Al Gore seem to know what happens next.
Max=JM
Regular, am I you? Or are you me?
I get so confused sometimes.
No doubt Max, we must be the same person, JR says so.
Of course, this is the same guy that doesn’t have two nickels to rub together, that blogs all day and lets his son go without health insurance.
J R
Posted January 26, 2008 at 12:47 am | Permalink
And WHY are you so defensive as to your faith?
Is it SO in need of defending by little you?
What are your priorities in this life J R?
Mine are God, family and country. In that order.
I will defend them. It’s kind of an American tradition.
So what are your priorities? Rule out God. You’ve got the ability to get a job, with benefits and provide for your family, but you don’t. Rule out family. You have put your political nonsense above service to your country, rule out country.
Seems like you don’t have any priorities.
Just exist and complain. Yep, in the ‘bus station of life’ you can’t beg enough to get a ticket out of here.
“Another incredible lie. I have always treated you and your son as polite and gracious as I have treated any one else on this BLOG that I have had the pleasure to meet and talk with.”
Yup.
In person.
I don’t intend we should meet again. But if we do? I will say what I have here. And you are invited to do the same.
Perhaps cosmos can use his inaccurate computer climate models to analyze the ice Max. Of course since cosmos is not a scientist, he’ll have to go to an unscientific blog to understand the results.
JR has pure jealousy and contempt for anyone who works hard and supports themself and their family.
JR sits on his ass all day and all night, and whines about being poor, too poor to buy health insurance.
And who’s fault is it?
JR’s fault? No way!
It’s George Bush’s fault! In fact, all Republicans are to blame for forcing JR to sit on his ass and blog instead of getting a job.
Gimme. Gimme. Gimme.
And EVERY TIME you beggers take a hand-out, YOU are taking away property that was EARNED by others who WORKED for it.
And yet you despise us working people.
Fat, dumb, and lazy America has become.
It used to be that a lack of food, shelter, and clothing was motivation to work hard to earn your own keep.
Now the fat, lazy, SOB’s just put their hands out and have everything given to them, and have the arrogance to complain that they are not given enough!
Actually J R, I was kidding about my vet bill for the sheep. I have a very good neighbor and friend that is a vet. We trade out. Horses too.
London on a whim? Well, let me brag a little. My wife has always wanted to see Phantom in London. Last year I saved and hid money until I could surprise her with the trip.
Phantom closes in London this year after 22 years. We went for three days, had a blast. You don’t have to be rich to go to London. You just have to have a job.
Mr Price?
Why is it your son calls your wife by name instead of “mom”?
I can fight just as nasty as you.
And after two years I am so happy to help you expose yourself here.
I have never fought for just me and mine. I have fought for the greater good. That without any GOD telling me to do so. And because of self righteous, divinely right SOBs like yourself? I’ve often been on the losing end.
I can do this as long as you can Hank. And I can get even nastier than you and your bastard son already have.
But what I’ll never do is lie on you as you and your son have on me.
Imagine that. The atheist better than the “pious” Christian and his son.
Well, gentle people,
I’ve been smoking some Alaskan salmon that my neighbor caught last summer and it’s done. I can go to bed now.
(note to self: Don’t start the smoker 10pm)
Gotcha “Max”
I said you were just another puppet of James McCluer. I was right.
Max posted January 26, 2008 at 1:00 am
“Good Cosmos, you can read.
1. Duh Cosmos, who said anything different?
2 & 3. Cosmos, only you and Al Gore seem to know what happens next.”
1) Yes, the thin ice will melt more quickly.
2 & 3) Nobody knows, and THAT is a huge problem.
Heh.
Hank says he doesn’t brag, then shows where he does.
And Max is outed as JM.
Nite.
Freedom.
What does that mean?
EVERY TIME beggers take a hand-out, they are taking away property that was EARNED by others who WORKED for it.
Freedom does NOT mean you are free to take from others.
Freedom does NOT mean you are free from having to do any work whatsover for your entire life.
Freedom means you have an OPPORTUNITY to live from the fruits of your labors. To reap what you sow. To keep the property that you make or earn for yourself. To not have your property taken from you. To be successful or not depends on how smart and how hard you WORK. There are no guarantees in life.
Yet the Socialists think the working person is their guarantee.
Yes there is a role for government, a limited role. Yes we help those who are truly in need in order to avoid starving people to death. No that does not mean the role of government is to meet your every want and need.
For any government who sought to meet everyone’s wants and needs would have to take away freedom from all in order to redistribute from the productive to the unproductive, and the government would decide who gets what. That is NOT the role of the government of Free People.
And so now you know why Socialists do not talk about Freedom. Freedom cannot exist in a Socialist world.
Freedom.
What does that mean?
EVERY TIME beggers take a hand-out, they are taking away property that was EARNED by others who WORKED for it.
Freedom does NOT mean you are free to take from others.
Freedom does NOT mean you are free from having to do any work whatsover for your entire life.
Freedom means you have an OPPORTUNITY to live from the fruits of your labors. To reap what you sow. To keep the property that you make or earn for yourself. To not have your property taken from you. To be successful or not depends on how smart and how hard you WORK.
There are no guarantees in life.
Yet the Socialists think the working person is their guarantee.
Yes there is a role for government, a limited role. Yes we help those who are truly in need in order to avoid starving people to death. No that does not mean the role of government is to meet your every want and need.
For any government who sought to meet everyone’s wants and needs would have to take away freedom from all in order to redistribute from the productive to the unproductive, and the government would decide who gets what. That is NOT the role of the government of Free People.
And so now you know why Socialists do not talk about Freedom. Freedom cannot exist in a Socialist world.
And JR is outed as an asshole – again!
Game set match.
“Max” is James McCluer.
Oh, hell.
I’m getting tired of attributing every sock puppet to James McCluer. I’m pretty confident most of them are, but I don’t believe for a minute that James McCluer is the onlyh right-wingnut insane person who’s a regular on this forum.
So why bother?
Whomever is “Regular,” or “Kansas,” or “Kahn,” pr “Pat Herron,” or “Max” or anybody really doesn’t matter as long as you deal with the message rather than the messenger.
If the only semblence of life “James McCluer” has is conjuring up internet personas, why bother with them?
Okay, we all get sucked in to the idiocy. But really we shouldn’t take it more seriously than James McCluer or any of his personas. James McCluer believes in nothing except himself and ways to stoke his ego.
Think about how pathetic that must be.
I flit around on the internet and contribute to threads that spark my interests. Poor ol’ James McCluer absolutely *depends* on these threads!
J R is a really stupid person thinking I’m every other person on this blog.
He thinks by prying into the privacy of others he has some sort of power.
That power is perversion JR.
What does it feel like to be known as a pervert JR?
MonkeyHawk
Posted January 26, 2008 at 1:59 am | Permalink
Oh, hell.
I’m getting tired of attributing every sock puppet to James McCluer. I’m pretty confident most of them are, but I don’t believe for a minute that James McCluer is the onlyh right-wingnut insane person who’s a regular on this forum.
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You’d be wrong as well MH.
Until the Libs start posting their real names on this blog or someone posts it for them, then they have no credibility at all.
As I said before, again and again again. I only post under the nick Regular. Congratulations, you known my name and I’ve asked others politely to stop using it and call me by my nick as it is registered at the Wichita Eagle Kansas.com site.
From this point on, anyone who keeps using my real name will be thusly reported as using it for harassment purposes only.
If the Leftist Libs want to step up and post their real names, then we can call it even.
Until then, back off, you have been warned.
How many packs of cigarettes does one smoked salmon equal?
“It appears that sea ice in the Antarctic is at an all time high, since the first record of 1979″
I’m not a rocket scientist, but just a quick cursory glance at the graphs (Ok, I backed up the root a bit and saw the one with north hemi ice) would indicate it’s at the top of the cycle. Had you noticed that graph at the bottom of the cycle, you’d've said it was a lie.
The graph from north ice shows a continuous slide. Now if you want to move to Tierra del Fuego to keep your fantasies alive…
Really, I’m not totally convinced one way or the other on GW. I just take for granted that nature is a mother.
The open thread at night is a thing to behold.
Hats off to Regular. I gotta hand it to you, you’re a pro at what you do. Every evening you take over the open thread and push the Lib’s buttons. They respond right on cue. It’s almost like an addiction. They just can’t resist.
Regular, have you ever considered getting into politics? With your talent, you’d probably be good at it. And I don’t say that as an insult. You already have quite a following among the Libs, LOL!