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  1. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know what the final results in the Louisiana caucus were?

    It’s taken them two days to count them…

  2. Herbert West III/Pub
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    I will be Publishing at http://www.wen2k.com today. I hope peole take the time to read the articvle there. Go there and click on the top25 and read the article. It is about the 3600 Million being spent for “Fans in Patures in Kansas”. It will also show the Exrtortion and Racketeering going on in Kansas. The Eagle censors me pretty regular. I hope this post stays on so you can see to go to the http://www.web2k.com site. It is uncensored. Herbert West III, Publisher/Journalist .west.herb@yahoo.com

  3. J R
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    You are a legend in your own mind herbie.

    No one reads you.

  4. Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    I read that LA. Caucus wasn’t until Feb. Was there another election going on?

  5. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    The primary is in Feb, this caucus that happened on the 22nd was the one that counts (handing out the delegates).

  6. Taz
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Google Herbert West…he is a fictional character of the 1920’s. Maybe history is repeating itself?

  7. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    You’ll see that these are “prelim” results…WTH?

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2YCtBg15ovSmHo1y23Qc4oc_cdQ

    Gotta have time to fudge the numbers (in my estimation).

  8. Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2YCtBg15ovSmHo1y23Qc4oc_cdQ

    One link on LA. caucus

  9. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    And another thing…
    All of the “front-runners” ran on a “pro-Family” slate…against one man, Ron Paul.

    These shenanigans that will be pulled everywhere proves that our most basic rights are being stripped. When McRomney Guiliani can go as one person against Dr. Paul, there is evil and cowardice afoot.

  10. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    See what I mean?

  11. Herbert West III/Pub
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    See http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=1887 for my new article. And to JR a am not a Legend.I am not a Legend. Legends are dead and remembered. They leave a Legacy. I am a caring person who exposes corruption. This is not Legend Material. It is human kindness and compassion. Where will I gain when people read my articles? I dont get paid. Thanks again and see http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=1887 . HLWIII west.herb@yahoo.com

  12. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    This is their slimy, new low. Scumbags UNITE!

  13. Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    1981 article by Ron Paul, Libertarian about Pro Life.

    http://www.l4l.org/library/bepro-rp.html

  14. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    That is why I truly LOVE the man, he has NEVER wavered in his entire political life. NEVER. He was one of 4 Congressmen to champion Reagan in 1980, one of only four. He votes for freedom and that “GD’ed piece of paper” (GWB’s words), the Constitution.

  15. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Herb–

    People have asked you nicely in the past to stop flogging your blog here.

    If you don’t cool it, we may stop asking nicely.

  16. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    AT&T reports $3.1 billion in Q4 earnings

    By MICHELLE ROBERTS

    SAN ANTONIO

    “AT&T Inc., the nation’s largest telecommunications company, earned $3.1 billion during the fourth quarter on gains in its wireless business and growth in its broadband Internet sales, the company reported Thursday.

    The net income amounted to 51 cents per share. During the same period of 2006, the company earned $1.9 billion, or 50 cents per share. The results that quarter did not include the earnings of BellSouth or Cingular Wireless because AT&T’s takeover wasn’t completed until final days of the quarter.

    Without the costs and accounting effects from acquisitions, the company would have earned 71 cents per share during the fourth quarter, in line with the expectations of analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial.

    In its release Thursday, the company also reaffirmed its previous earnings growth guidance for the current year.

    Revenue nearly doubled to $30.25 billion from $15.9 billion last year for the fourth quarter.”

    BusinessWeek

  17. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_01_28/article1.html

    This story has already been reported on several times by the Times of London but gotten an almost virtual blackout by the American press.

    Sibel Edwards was given a “gag order” by the Bush-friendly Justice Department when she first came forward with her explosive charges.

    Five years later, she is willing to face contempt charges and jail time to get her insider information out.

    Here’s what an American Conservative magazine piece had to say:

    Found in Translation

    FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds spills her secrets.

    by Philip Giraldi

    Most Americans have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, and if the U.S. government has its way, they never will. The former FBI translator turned whistleblower tells a chilling story of corruption at Washington’s highest levels—sale of nuclear secrets, shielding of terrorist suspects, illegal arms transfers, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, espionage. She may be a first-rate fabulist, but Edmonds’s account is full of dates, places, and names. And if she is to be believed, a treasonous plot to embed moles in American military and nuclear installations and pass sensitive intelligence to Israeli, Pakistani, and Turkish sources was facilitated by figures in the upper echelons of the State and Defense Departments. Her charges could be easily confirmed or dismissed if classified government documents were made available to investigators.

    But Congress has refused to act, and the Justice Department has shrouded Edmonds’s case in the state-secrets privilege, a rarely used measure so sweeping that it precludes even a closed hearing attended only by officials with top-secret security clearances. According to the Department of Justice, such an investigation “could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the foreign policy and national security of the United States.”

    After five years of thwarted legal challenges and fruitless attempts to launch a congressional investigation, Sibel Edmonds is telling her story, though her defiance could land her in jail. After reading its November piece about Louai al-Sakka, an al-Qaeda terrorist who trained 9/11 hijackers in Turkey, Edmonds approached the Sunday Times of London. On Jan. 6, the Times, a Murdoch-owned paper that does not normally encourage exposés damaging to the Bush administration, featured a long article. The news quickly spread around the world, with follow-ups appearing in Israel, Europe, India, Pakistan, Turkey, and Japan—but not in the United States.

    Edmonds is an ethnic Azerbaijani, born in Iran. She lived there and in Turkey until 1988, when she emigrated to the United States, where she received degrees in criminal justice and psychology from George Washington University. Nine days after 9/11, Edmonds took a job at the FBI as a Turkish and Farsi translator. She worked in the 400-person translations section of the Washington office, reviewing a backlog of material dating back to 1997 and participating in operations directed against several Turkish front groups, most notably the American Turkish Council.

    . . . .

    Over nearly six months, Edmonds listened with increasing unease to hundreds of intercepted phone calls between Turkish, Pakistani, Israeli, and American officials. When she voiced concerns about the processing of this intelligence—among other irregularities, one of the other translators maintained a friendship with one of the FBI’s “high value” targets—she was threatened. After exhausting all appeals through her own chain of command, Edmonds approached the two Department of Justice agencies with oversight of the FBI and sent faxes to Sens. Chuck Grassley and Patrick Leahy on the Judiciary Committee. The next day, she was called in for a polygraph. According to a DOJ inspector general’s report, the test found that “she was not deceptive in her answers.”

    But two weeks later, Edmonds was fired; her home computer was seized; her family in Turkey was visited by police and threatened with arrest if they did not submit to questioning about an unspecified “intelligence matter.”

    When Edmonds’s attorney filed suit to obtain the documents related to her firing, Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft imposed the state-secrets gag order. Since then, she has been subjected to another federal order, which not only silenced her, but retroactively classified the statements she eventually made before the Senate Judiciary Committee and the 9/11 Commission.

    Edmonds states that FBI phone taps from late 2001 reveal that Grossman tipped off his Turkish contact regarding the CIA weapons proliferation cover unit Brewster Jennings, which was being used by Valerie Plame, and that the Turk then informed the Pakistani intelligence service representative in Washington. It is to be assumed that the information was then passed on to the A.Q. Khan nuclear proliferation network.

    Edmonds also claims that Grossman was instrumental in seeding Turkish and Israeli Ph.D. students into major American research labs by godfathering visas and enabling security clearances. She says that she reviewed transcripts in which the moles in the U.S. military and academic community involved in nuclear technology reportedly carried out several “transactions” involving the sale of nuclear material or information relating to nuclear programs every month, with Pakistan being a primary buyer. In the summer of 2000, the FBI recorded a meeting between a Turkish official and two Saudi businessmen in Detroit in which nuclear information stolen from an Air Force base in Alabama was offered: “We have a package and we’re going to sell it for $250,000,” the wiretap allegedly recorded. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” Edmonds told the Times.

    END SNIP — More at link

    *****

    Her charges also allege that Richard Perle and Douglas Feith, two high level Bush Neo-CONs, were directly involved in providing nuclear secrets and weapons to Turkey that were then funnelled to rogue states and they directly profitted.

    Former Speaker Dennis “Fat Bastard” Hastert is alleged to have received money from the spy network.

  18. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    This story has already been reported on several times by the Times of London but gotten an almost virtual blackout by the American press.

    Sibel Edwards was given a “gag order” by the Bush-friendly Justice Department when she first came forward with her explosive charges.

    Five years later, she is willing to face contempt charges and jail time to get her insider information out.

    Here’s what an American Conservative magazine piece had to say:

    Found in Translation

    FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds spills her secrets.

    by Philip Giraldi

    Most Americans have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, and if the U.S. government has its way, they never will. The former FBI translator turned whistleblower tells a chilling story of corruption at Washington’s highest levels—sale of nuclear secrets, shielding of terrorist suspects, illegal arms transfers, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, espionage. She may be a first-rate fabulist, but Edmonds’s account is full of dates, places, and names. And if she is to be believed, a treasonous plot to embed moles in American military and nuclear installations and pass sensitive intelligence to Israeli, Pakistani, and Turkish sources was facilitated by figures in the upper echelons of the State and Defense Departments. Her charges could be easily confirmed or dismissed if classified government documents were made available to investigators.

    But Congress has refused to act, and the Justice Department has shrouded Edmonds’s case in the state-secrets privilege, a rarely used measure so sweeping that it precludes even a closed hearing attended only by officials with top-secret security clearances. According to the Department of Justice, such an investigation “could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the foreign policy and national security of the United States.”

    After five years of thwarted legal challenges and fruitless attempts to launch a congressional investigation, Sibel Edmonds is telling her story, though her defiance could land her in jail. After reading its November piece about Louai al-Sakka, an al-Qaeda terrorist who trained 9/11 hijackers in Turkey, Edmonds approached the Sunday Times of London. On Jan. 6, the Times, a Murdoch-owned paper that does not normally encourage exposés damaging to the Bush administration, featured a long article. The news quickly spread around the world, with follow-ups appearing in Israel, Europe, India, Pakistan, Turkey, and Japan—but not in the United States.

    Edmonds is an ethnic Azerbaijani, born in Iran. She lived there and in Turkey until 1988, when she emigrated to the United States, where she received degrees in criminal justice and psychology from George Washington University. Nine days after 9/11, Edmonds took a job at the FBI as a Turkish and Farsi translator. She worked in the 400-person translations section of the Washington office, reviewing a backlog of material dating back to 1997 and participating in operations directed against several Turkish front groups, most notably the American Turkish Council.

    . . . .

    Over nearly six months, Edmonds listened with increasing unease to hundreds of intercepted phone calls between Turkish, Pakistani, Israeli, and American officials. When she voiced concerns about the processing of this intelligence—among other irregularities, one of the other translators maintained a friendship with one of the FBI’s “high value” targets—she was threatened. After exhausting all appeals through her own chain of command, Edmonds approached the two Department of Justice agencies with oversight of the FBI and sent faxes to Sens. Chuck Grassley and Patrick Leahy on the Judiciary Committee. The next day, she was called in for a polygraph. According to a DOJ inspector general’s report, the test found that “she was not deceptive in her answers.”

    But two weeks later, Edmonds was fired; her home computer was seized; her family in Turkey was visited by police and threatened with arrest if they did not submit to questioning about an unspecified “intelligence matter.”

    When Edmonds’s attorney filed suit to obtain the documents related to her firing, Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft imposed the state-secrets gag order. Since then, she has been subjected to another federal order, which not only silenced her, but retroactively classified the statements she eventually made before the Senate Judiciary Committee and the 9/11 Commission.

    Edmonds states that FBI phone taps from late 2001 reveal that Grossman tipped off his Turkish contact regarding the CIA weapons proliferation cover unit Brewster Jennings, which was being used by Valerie Plame, and that the Turk then informed the Pakistani intelligence service representative in Washington. It is to be assumed that the information was then passed on to the A.Q. Khan nuclear proliferation network.

    Edmonds also claims that Grossman was instrumental in seeding Turkish and Israeli Ph.D. students into major American research labs by godfathering visas and enabling security clearances. She says that she reviewed transcripts in which the moles in the U.S. military and academic community involved in nuclear technology reportedly carried out several “transactions” involving the sale of nuclear material or information relating to nuclear programs every month, with Pakistan being a primary buyer. In the summer of 2000, the FBI recorded a meeting between a Turkish official and two Saudi businessmen in Detroit in which nuclear information stolen from an Air Force base in Alabama was offered: “We have a package and we’re going to sell it for $250,000,” the wiretap allegedly recorded. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” Edmonds told the Times.

    END SNIP — More at link

    *****

    Her charges also allege that Richard Perle and Douglas Feith, two high level Bush Neo-CONs, were directly involved in providing nuclear secrets and weapons to Turkey that were then funnelled to rogue states and they directly profitted.

    Former Speaker Dennis “Fat Bastard” Hastert is alleged to have received money from the spy network.

  19. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    I wish I had some AT&T shares. Their broadband sucks, actually, their whole package deal sucks. The gave me the worst customer service ever.

    And beating Cox at that was pretty hard.

  20. Taz
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Interesting….I believe it was 3rd quarter 1974 that the old Bell System was the first corporation in history to post a billion dollar profit in one quarter. Then it got dismantled into 7 “baby bells” by Judge Harold Green after a 10 year lawsuit.

  21. TDT
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080124/ap_on_go_co/economy_stimulus

    “Deal near on economic rescue package ”

    I have a feeling that Bush is going to use this to give even more welfare to corporations. The dumbass Democrats have already buckled about increasing food stamp benefits and extending unemployment, and honestly, if there is going to be immediate stimulus, that seemed to me to be the way to get it started.

  22. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Deal near on economic stimulus, sources say

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — A deal is imminent on a $150 billion plan to boost the lagging U.S. economy, two officials close to the negotiations said Thursday.

    Democrats have dropped plans to increase food stamp aid and extend unemployment benefits while Republicans have agreed to allow tax rebates to go to people who don’t pay income taxes, sources said.

    While the final details are still being negotiated, officials in both parties said the current outlines of the package would give individuals a tax rebate check in the neighborhood of $800, while families could receive up to $1,600.

    To win over conservatives, the package also is slated to include business tax breaks, according to officials in both parties.

    More at CNN

  23. TDT
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Sol – He took second place where?

  24. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    The Louisiana caucus.

  25. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Nevada and LA

  26. Writerdog
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Louisiana

  27. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Hey Sol, CNN is saying Ron only has a small amount of money…

    This CANNOT be right.

    Can it?

  28. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Nevermind, that was as of September 07.

  29. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Can anyone here honestly say their candidate has a better understanding of fiscal policy and what it takes to have sound money? Anyone? I triple dog dare you. Have any of you looked at all the writings by Dr. Paul on economics? He has more experience and knowledge than any other candidate. Prove me wrong. Triple dog.

  30. Mary caruso
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Makes sense….people don’t have money to spend due to the high cost of oil, the subprime lending disaster, and the increasing cost of everything….so let’s spend MORE money to help them spend the money they don’t have.

  31. Mary caruso
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Maybe Dave Ramsey should run for president….he’d balance the budget for sure.

  32. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Something positive to come of this? The interest rate dropped, loking to re-fi a point or two lower. :-D

  33. Writerdog
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    $3.389,557.52 as of 10:50 AM this quarter is added to Ron Pail’s war chest.

  34. Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    While practicing medicine, Paul refused Medicare and Medicaid payments, often treating patients for free. In his 20 years as a Congressman, he has never voted to increase congressional pay. He declined participation in the congressional pension program, and each year he actually returns a portion of his congressional office budget to the U.S. Treasury Department. Ron Paul truly defines “leading by example.”

    http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2007/nov/28/ron-paul-would-bring-prosperity-back-america/

    How many other candidates do the same.

  35. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Dog, Sol,

    You guys know where to be on Feb 9th? Get an army gathered guys.

  36. Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Congress funds the federal government through 13 enormous appropriations bills, but even an annual budget of more than $2 trillion is not enough to satisfy Washington’s appetite for new spending. As a result, a new category of spending bill has emerged, known as the “emergency supplemental” appropriation. There’s no real emergency, however; Congress simply needs a 14th spending bill as a grab bag filled with hundreds of pages of goodies for countless favored groups, industries, individual companies, and foreign governments. It’s common for dozens of amendments to be added to the supplemental bill, all with more money for somebody.
    Is there really an “emergency” that requires $1.2 billion to pay off our allies for their help in Afghanistan? If Pakistan, Jordan, and other nations chose to join our war effort, why can’t their taxpayers foot the bill? Won’t those nations in closer proximity to Afghanistan benefit from the stability we are told U.S. troops will provide? Perhaps they should pay us for stabilizing their neighborhood. But it’s always American taxpayers who end up paying.

    March 21, 2006

    Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul310.html

  37. TDT
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2008/1/19/17304/4131

    “Edwards supporters bullied in Nevada”

    I wonder if there is any truth to this. That would be really sad. I’ve never caucused before, and I’m thinking about doing it for the first time this election, and I hope it won’t end up like this.

  38. Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    TDT,

    It happens to both sides…

    “Ron Paul calls for Nevada to postpone Caucus, vote fraud potential
    USA Daily behind a proxy address ^ | 1-18-07 | Larry Fester

    Posted on 01/19/2008 11:11:39 AM PST by NoLibZone

    Today, the Ron Paul 2008 campaign is calling on the Nevada State Republican Party to re-examine what it calls multiple inconsistencies in the Nevada Caucus process, and to consider postponing the caucus, which is scheduled for Saturday, January 19.

    “The inconsistencies, errors and multiple changes in the rules reek of playing politics with the what should be a neutral process,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign manager Lew Moore. “The people of Nevada deserve to know exactly what the rules are and to know that those rules are being fairly enforced. This has not happened up to this point, and the caucus appears to be in chaos.”

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1956369/posts

  39. Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Best Buy Sold Infected Digital Picture Frames

    By GREGG KEIZER, Computerworld, IDG
    Published: January 23, 2008

    Best Buy Co. Inc. sold digital picture frames during the holidays that harbored malicious code able to spread to any connected Windows PC, the big box retailer has confirmed. It is not recalling the frames, however.

    What Best Buy called “a limited number” of the 10.4-in. digital frames sold under its in-house Insignia brand were “contaminated with a computer virus during the manufacturing process,” according to a notice posted on the Insignia site last weekend. The frame which went by the part number NS-DPF10A has been discontinued, and all remaining inventory pulled, Best Buy added.

    But that didn’t happen until after some of pre-infected frames were sold to customers.

    More at New York Times Technology Section

  40. annie moose
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Deal near on economic stimulus, sources say

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — A deal is imminent on a $150 billion plan to boost the lagging U.S. economy, two officials close to the negotiations said Thursday.

    gotta love socialism for conservatives can’t make it without the nanny state.

  41. J R
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Senator Clinton called it in the debate the other night.

    bush is negotiating behind our backs. A long term deal for bases and the perpetual occupation of Iraq.

    This is outside his authority. He should be stopped.

  42. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    The only bullies in the kansas democratic caucuses will be the sebelius bots. And they are pushing obama. Mark my words.

  43. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Jim Cramer and Ron Paul both call for Federal Reserve investigation. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  44. American Way
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    I see the democrat leadership in congress has weighed in on the economic stimulus plan.

    As I mentioned two days ago, their plan will include giving FREE MONEY to those who pay no taxes. And yes, this is truly FREE MONEY.

    Wonderful plan. Give the money to those who will spend it even faster than they spend their advance EIC payments. Of course, they will not spend it to reduce their huge credit card debts and it’s not enough money to pay but maybe one months rent.

    Buy lot’s beer, booze and dope though. Might be a good time to buy alcohol stock!

    Perfect example of wealth redistribution: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

    United Socialist States of America

  45. Annette
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Please, make it stop. Someone, please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it and shut it up, for good. Rev. Phelps and his band of inbred, retrogate ejaculi are planning on befouling the funeral of the supremely talented Heath Ledger.

    I can’t stand it. I just can’t stand the thought.

    I’ve long followed the career of the late Aussie sensation, and I regarded him as one of the most skilled thespians of his generation. I saw several of his films, but one remains prominent in my memory: Monster’s Ball.

    “Ball,” starring the overrated Halle Berry and the terrifying Billy Bob Thornton, was one of only two films that affected me so deeply that I fled the theatre at midpoint. (The other was “Schindler’s List.”) Somewhere between the mediocrity of the characters played by Thornton and Berry, there was the incandescent Ledger.

    And it was a jaw-dropper.

    He was brilliant, gifted, savvy and smart. Anyone who saw “Brokeback Mountain” had reverence for his understated genius: Ledger’s performance was stunning.

    And now the pit-viper drippings called Phelps & Co. will be allowed to infiltrate Ledger’s funeral. Aren’t there new laws on the books to prohibit public masturbation such as this?

    My God – I can’t bear it. Ledger left a two-year-old daughter named Matilda, an erstwhile fiance named Michelle Williams (Matilda’s mother), brokenhearted family and numerous friends. The thought of Phelps and his idiotic ilk showing their ugly mugs and even uglier signs just breaks my heart.

    May the talented young actor find eternal rest. I’m not sorry I left the theatre six years ago in the midst of “Monster’s Ball” – but I am supremely lucky that I caught all of Ledger’s performance.

    Peace to his spirit.

  46. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Got a link Pleef?

  47. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Careful Annette,

    You’ll work those Hollyfornians up into a frenzy.

  48. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Welcome to Kansas Annette, where more than seventy percent of the voters differ from phelps only by degree.

    It really is a bigoted as you think…

  49. American Way
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Oh yes, and lets’ bail out the people living beyond their means in homes valued over half million dollar homes:

    “To address the mortgage crisis, the package also allows Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — government-sponsored companies that are the two biggest U.S. financers and guarantors of home loans — to buy home mortgages much larger than the current $417,000 limit. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said that lending cap might reach as high as $700,000 in areas with the highest home prices.” Fox

    Wish I could afford a $700,000 home. Heck, maybe I can! All I have to do is get me a subprime loan and move in. Then, I can wait for the taxpayers to bail me out too!

  50. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Here you go

    (I kinda cheated and just gave you the Google)

    Did you see my question up towards the top?

  51. American Way
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Annette,

    Heath who? Isn’t that a candy bar?

    Most of America never heard of him until the media decided we should “care”.

    I don’t. Waste of band width.

  52. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Gold price in 2000

    Gold price in 2008

    See a problem here? Seems like the dollar is kinda sorta hurtin’.

  53. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    I live in Michigan brother. The sheeple here believed Mitten’s lies. Funny, the results still haven’t posted by precinct. Things that make you say hmmmmmmm.

  54. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    I thought “The Patriot” was an excellent and “A Knights Tale” was pretty good as well.

  55. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Ahhh. I’ve a friend who’s from Foster Township (I believe that’s outside of St. Helen?) up there.

  56. annie moose
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    stimulas plans equals more inflation, for both parties:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sep27sMmG-0

  57. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Have you seen the headline from fox about this “stimulus” deal?

    “Tentative Deal to Put
    More $$ in Your Pocket”

    What???!!!!!!! We have to claim that stupid check. Sooo, it’s a loan I don’t want.

    The last check we all got was what? $100.
    And it said it was “from George W. Bush”. hahahaha

    Fox News: Disinformation Central.

  58. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Jesus Wept! Is the Hays Daily News FINALLY getting it? Economic development in western Kansas has to be about population. Otherwise? Three words. Shulte Mobile Homes. You know, the mfg plant that is closing because… wait for it… they cant FIND ENOUGH WORKERS!

    In the Hays Daily editorial on the subject:

    “The best course of action Plainville can take is to retain not only its work force but its population base. The process will take time, but we’re confident it will happen.”

    Well, no shit.

    And exactly WHAT is this “process” they advoctate to retain population base? (Retain? How about GROW the population base?) Do they have a plan?

    Or do they think if they just wish hard enough and build enough wind farms the population will, like magic, just grow itself?

    So parkinson and sebelius, if you REALLY care about economic development in western Kansas, what is YOUR plan for growing or maintaining the population base?

    Because doing anything else is, pardon the pun, just pissin’ in the wind…

  59. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and another funny point in the editorial? Patrick Lowrey notes it would be BAD if the surrounding little towns around Plainville tried to convince laid off Shulte workers to move to THEIR towns permanently.

    OMFG!

    Pot, meet kettle. That is what HAYS has been doing for decades. But it’s bad for the LITTLE towns to raid Plainville’s workforce? BIG f’n eye roll.

    And exactly how many Plainville workers commute the thirty miles daily for jobs in HAYS?

    I’m tellin’ ya. Ya just cant make this crazy stuff up…

    AND I havent even mentioned the WATER issues at Webster Reservoir, located near Plainville. Do ya think THAT might have something to do with the population drain?

    Western Kansas. As dumb as you think…

  60. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Farmgirl,
    If you don’t live in NE Kansas (ie; Johnson or Wyandotte Counties), you are irrelevant.

    I don’t live there.

  61. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Ever tried to dry off after taking a shower with Western KS water? Impossible. And drinking it?…phew.

  62. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Pleef. I just LOVE parkinson and sebelius NOW talking about “economic development” (read: corporate welfare) in western Kansas ONLY as a result of the whining about the Holcomb plant.

    Sorta like the weather, no? Everyone talks about it, but no one does ANYTHING about the root problems like population and water.

    Maybe just not enough tourism? hehehehhe. BTW, Plainville is HEAVILY invested in tourism, has a free land program, is located near a prison, etc.

    I think they’ve been doing what they were TOLD to do. SO… I gotta ask….

    HOW’S THAT WORKIN’ FOR YA?

  63. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and one more thing…

    I’ve been ranting that this “jobs bring people” bullshit was just that. Bullshit. And bassackwards.

    PEOPLE bring JOBS. Not the other way around.

    But of course, Kansas should feel free to continue doing what does NOT work.

    And ignore what might actually work, but provide less corporate welfare. It’s all about quality of life. Meaning….

    Schools. Water. Housing. See also: phelps gang and the wingnut death grip on kansas quality of life.

    And did I mention Flock of Dodo?

    So… where IS that damn innovation economy when you need it? And… will it work without PEOPLE?

  64. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    http://www.hdnews.net/

  65. American Way
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink
    Sorry Farmgirl,
    If you don’t live in NE Kansas (ie; Johnson or Wyandotte Counties), you are irrelevant.

    And that is as it should be Pleefer. Eastern Kansas, particularly NE Kansas, pays in most of the revenue this state eats!

    We send semi truck loads of money from east of Hwy 75 to distribute west of Hwy 75.

    But loads.

    And it is taking quite a bit of work. We can’t seem to fill that money hole of western Kansas. So once again, eastern Kansas is bleeding Kansas. Bleeding revenue to support the dying western counties.

    Suddenly, light bulbs are going off: enough is enough. Sink or swim (in dry soil) on your own.
    Stop dreaming about tourism (ha-ha). No one takes a vacation “out west in Kansas”.

    No industry? Get in line. The eastern counties are tripping all over each other offering sweetheart deals to business moving in. Competition is keen.

    But not west of Hwy 75.

    But the good news is: I heard tell they are going to do a remake of the Grapes of Wrath and western Kansas is in competition as a film location.

  66. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and notice, the Shulte closing doesnt even rank as a “mass” layoff…

    http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/290824.html

    And Amway provides the best example of the quality of life in kansas….

  67. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    My wife’s entire family live out there and they handle living there well enough.

    They all just stay drunk.

  68. American Way
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer,

    You mean not all the counties are dry? And isn’t it grand that you can buy booze on Sunday now. About time the ostriches from the western bible belt counties got their as–es whipped on that issue.

  69. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Am way, if you knew what you were talking about, you’d be dangerous.

    Hays and Ellis county voted DOWN Sunday liquor sales.

    Big eye roll….

  70. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    All I know is that here in the ICT, I can get Communion after church.

  71. Taz
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Total change of topic…from the animosity and arguing for one post.

    I just drove along River Road in Wichita and saw 3 bald eagles within a block of each other. 1 was soaring above the river just south of 13th street, and two were perched in trees close to Riverside Park.

    The paper has mentioned how this is the time of year the eagles are commonly seen. Gorgeous birds.

    Ok..enough of a break…let the bickering continue.

  72. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never seen a non-caged Bald Eagle. That’s awesome.

  73. American Way
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Farmgrrl I wasn’t trying to dangerous. But you make my point. A few years ago, cities in Leavenworth County and Wyandotte counties declared the state law on Sunday liquor sales “non conforming” and used their authority to opt out of the state law.

    The state of Kansas, including a former AG who I will not name – sent threatening letters to these cities threatening lawsuits. Some cities caved, some stood firm.

    They had tried for years to get state legislatures to act. The western Onward Christian Soldiers” coalition stopped any progress. For years.

    Yet, those living in eastern Kansas simply drove across the state line and bought their beer and booze for the Sunday ball game. While there, they gased up their cars for on average 10 cents cheaper a gallon and bought their cheaper smokes (lower cigarette taxes).

    The businesses in eastern Kansas got tired of seeing their Revenue dollar$ flowing across the state line every holiday and Sunday. The state, which threatened to sue – was loosing BOOZE TAX DOLLARS too.

    In the end, the law was deemed non-conforming and state relented and changed the law. Higher revenue for the stores brought more Sunday work for workers. More tax dollars for the state.

    Next up: Wine and alcohol sales in grocery stores JUST LIKE MANY OTHER STATES.

    Next up: Casino dollars staying in eastern Kansas instead of Missouri.

    All these dollars HELP PAY FOR our welfare western Kansas.

    Personally, I’d like to see eastern Kansas to break off like West Virginia and become our own state. We will be progressive, promote growth, and keep our dollars closer to home.

    Dangerous stuff.

  74. American Way
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    saw 3 bald eagles

    Take a break and “vacation” in eastern Kansas. Stand along the river in downtown Lawrence or the riverfront park – and watch the eagles all day.

  75. mrcontroversy
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    TDT–Where do you caucus?

  76. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative

    Found in Translation

    FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds spills her secrets.

    by Philip Giraldi

    Most Americans have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, and if the U.S. government has its way, they never will. The former FBI translator turned whistleblower tells a chilling story of corruption at Washington’s highest levels—sale of nuclear secrets, shielding of terrorist suspects, illegal arms transfers, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, espionage. She may be a first-rate fabulist, but Edmonds’s account is full of dates, places, and names. And if she is to be believed, a treasonous plot to embed moles in American military and nuclear installations and pass sensitive intelligence to Israeli, Pakistani, and Turkish sources was facilitated by figures in the upper echelons of the State and Defense Departments. Her charges could be easily confirmed or dismissed if classified government documents were made available to investigators.

    But Congress has refused to act, and the Justice Department has shrouded Edmonds’s case in the state-secrets privilege, a rarely used measure so sweeping that it precludes even a closed hearing attended only by officials with top-secret security clearances. According to the Department of Justice, such an investigation “could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the foreign policy and national security of the United States.”

    After five years of thwarted legal challenges and fruitless attempts to launch a congressional investigation, Sibel Edmonds is telling her story, though her defiance could land her in jail. After reading its November piece about Louai al-Sakka, an al-Qaeda terrorist who trained 9/11 hijackers in Turkey, Edmonds approached the Sunday Times of London. On Jan. 6, the Times, a Murdoch-owned paper that does not normally encourage exposés damaging to the Bush administration, featured a long article. The news quickly spread around the world, with follow-ups appearing in Israel, Europe, India, Pakistan, Turkey, and Japan—but not in the United States.

    . . . .

    Bottom line: Top Bush administration officials colluded with Turks who then sold gov’t nuclear secrets to Pakistan and other terror-loving states and organizations.

    Much more at link:

    http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_01_28/article1.html

  77. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Ksfrmgrrl–

    Have you heard, the South East US may shut down nuke plants because their water supply is drying up?

    (in Gomer Pyle voice): “surprise, surprise surprise”

  78. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Climate_change_significantly_worse__01242008.html

    Climate change ’significantly worse’ than feared: Al Gore

    Climate change is occurring far more rapidly than even the worst predictions of the UN’s Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change, Al Gore said on Thursday.

    Recent evidence shows “the climate crisis is significantly worse and unfolding more rapidly than those on the pessimistic side of the IPCC projections had warned us,” climate campaigner and former US vice-president Gore said.

    There are now forecasts that the North Pole ice caps may disappear entirely during summer months within five years, he told a gathering at the World Economic Forum in Davos.

    In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a massive report the size of three phone books on the reality and risks of climate change, its 4th assessment in 18 years.

    Global warming is a key theme at this year’s meeting of the world’s business and political elite in Davos.

  79. Taz
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    So, Capn, you are saying the Bush administratino was in power in the early 1970’s??

    Wikipedia:
    Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapons Program was established in 1974 when the Directorate of Technical Development (DTD) was set up in PAEC by chairman Munir Ahmad Khan, who was credited as the true “father” of Pakistan’s atomic bomb by a recent IISS, London’s Dossier on Pakistan’s nuclear program. DTD was assigned the task of developing the implosion design,trigger mechanism, physics calculations, high-speed electronics, high-precision chemical and mechanical components, high explosive lenses for Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. DTD comprised the Diagnostics Group, the Fast Neutron Physics Group, Wah Group and the Theoretical Physics Group. The DTD had come up with its first implosion design of a nuclear weapon by 1978 which was then improved and later tested on March 11, 1983 when PAEC carried out Pakistan’s first successful cold test of a nuclear device. Between 1983 and 1990, PAEC carried out 24 more cold tests of various nuclear weapon designs. DTD had also developed a miniaturized weapon design by 1987 that could be delivered by all Pakistan Air Force Aircraft. It was the same DTD that carried out the Chaghi tests of May 28, 1998 and the Kharan test of May 30, 1998

  80. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Here’s an idea!

  81. Herbert West III/Pub
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica , What is flogging my site????????? Herb West III. I post a comment and you jump in with both feet and state I am flogging. What is flogging???? I expressed an opinion and gave reference to it. Herbert West III, Publisher/Journalist, west.herb@yahoo.com

  82. Posted January 24, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer. Those are all ideas backed up by legislation. Sheesh what a concept. Sure to be lost on folks here. He is a –kook- after all.

  83. Posted January 24, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone clicked on my comments?

  84. Pleefer
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Sol, you got me.

  85. Posted January 24, 2008 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Herbert West III/Pub of the many question-marks–

    flog /fl?g, fl?g/
    –verb (used with object), flogged, flog·ging.

    1. to beat with a whip, stick, etc., esp. as punishment; whip; scourge.

    2. Slang. a. to sell, esp. aggressively or vigorously.
    b. to promote; publicize.

    One would think that a writer would know the definition of a commonly used verb, as in to flog one’s book.

  86. Posted January 24, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Taz–

    I don’t expect YOU to get it.

    But for those not yet dead to reason and fact, consider the following:

    Edmonds states that FBI phone taps from late 2001 reveal that [former diplomat to Turkey] Grossman tipped off his Turkish contact regarding the CIA weapons proliferation cover unit Brewster Jennings, which was being used by Valerie Plame, and that the Turk then informed the Pakistani intelligence service representative in Washington. It is to be assumed that the information was then passed on to the A.Q. Khan nuclear proliferation network.

    Edmonds also claims that Grossman was instrumental in seeding Turkish and Israeli Ph.D. students into major American research labs by godfathering visas and enabling security clearances. She says that she reviewed transcripts in which the moles in the U.S. military and academic community involved in nuclear technology reportedly carried out several “transactions” involving the sale of nuclear material or information relating to nuclear programs every month, with Pakistan being a primary buyer. In the summer of 2000, the FBI recorded a meeting between a Turkish official and two Saudi businessmen in Detroit in which nuclear information stolen from an Air Force base in Alabama was offered: “We have a package and we’re going to sell it for $250,000,” the wiretap allegedly recorded. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” Edmonds told the Times.

    She further reports that beginning in 1999, the FBI was investigating senior Pentagon officials who were assisting agents of foreign governments, including Turkey and Israel. [She indirectly alleges Dougles Feith and Richard Perle, two architects for the Iraq invasion were involved.] “If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials,” Edmonds told the Times.

  87. Posted January 24, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    “What is flogging my site”

    Herb, it considered REALLY bad form to “promote” another blog while on this one, especially if it is your own (mindless, idiotic and useless) blog.

    But, that’s just my thoughts, feel free to be an idiot.

  88. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    My, my, President Musharraf is testy. Among other things, he accuses the West of “intellectual arrogance”. Read more at the link.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/01/24/musharraf.interview/index.html

  89. Herbert West III/Pub
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    http://www.wen2k.com is a place of reference for my articles. I would need about 500,000 to 1,000,000.oo bites to republish the articles. And again, I am not selling squat!!! As to flogging. To WSClark, 3600 Million for a “Fan Park in a Pasture” and I am an idiot for saying so. I give comments about corruption and you get pissy becsause it cuts into your co-personal agenda and I am an idiot? You seem like a humble fool!!!! 3600 million for a Fan in a Pasture!!! Governor Bigot Butt Sebelius and you are “”FOOLS”"!!!!!!!!! Herb West III, west.herb@yahoo.com

  90. Posted January 24, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    We are politely ignoring you for now, Herbie.

    Don’t make us come up there.

    And with that, I’m off for Zhung Guo de chrfan or Chinese food . . .

  91. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm, did Mayor Giuliani err in his strategy? New polls (if accurate) show him third in Florida, behind Sen. McCain and Gov. Romney. Best quote in article: “Rudy’s fallen like the Dow Jones Industrial average”.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/24/giuliani.florida/index.html

  92. J M Walker
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Herb, the first thing I would suggest is you learn how to write correctly. Trying to read your piece at http://www.wen2k is just plain impossible. A whole article in one paragraph? I passed after two sentences. Sorry.

  93. Taz
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Uh,….Capn…?? WTF does this have to do with your continuing hate campaign? From your post:

    “She further reports that beginning in 1999, the FBI was investigating senior Pentagon officials who were assisting agents of foreign governments, including Turkey and Israel.”

    During that time, Capn, I believe your beloved CLINTON was president(Jan 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001) How are you blaming this one on Bush? I know your closed, extremist mind is totally full of hate, but even YOU should be able to recognize the idiocy of trying to blame this one on Bush…for things happening BEFORE his presidency.
    That is a reach..even for you.

  94. Taz
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Capn…another little snippet from your post:

    “In the summer of 2000, the FBI recorded a meeting between a Turkish official and two Saudi businessmen in Detroit in which nuclear information stolen from an Air Force base in Alabama was offered: “We have a package and we’re going to sell it for $250,000,” the wiretap allegedly recorded. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” Edmonds told the Times.”

    Uh…summer of 2000? Let’s see…who was president then. Uh..hmmm how about that..CLINTON was president, I do believe. Yet, in your permanently closed mind you are going to blame an ongoing operation on Bush–one that was obviously started before he took office.

  95. Taz
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    So…who are you calling ‘dead to reason and fact’?

  96. Posted January 24, 2008 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    “What is flogging my site”

    Herb, it considered REALLY bad form to “promote” another blog while on this one, especially if it is your own (mindless, idiotic and useless) blog.

    But, that’s just my thoughts, feel free to be an idiot.
    —————–
    Just throw in a Daily Kos and DU blog hyperlink there Herb and you’ll be alright. Then you can reference the blogladytes’ special interest, the will be happy campers.

  97. Pat Herron
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Say AmWay Western Kansas would be perfect for a new Grapes of Wrath movie.

    And we have on this very blog two great characters for George and Lennie:

    Capn America for George.
    Chas for Lennie.

    And with Farmie out there, the gay connotations in the Grapes of Wrath could come to full fruition with a new twist.

    Great idea!

  98. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Ummmm George and Lennie werent in Grapes of Wrath.. Literary Idiot!! Geez!!

  99. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Ummm Taz??? I dont believe there is a President mentioned at all in the Edmonds story!! I do wish you folks would READ!!!

  100. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    I mean Taz, Potential Treason knows no Party lines!!

  101. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Herb West — I hate to say it, but you really need to learn how to Write intelligibly!! Your web site looks really bad from a spelling point of view… You really need to fix that!!

  102. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Taz–

    Clinton is not beloved by me. He should have resigned when he was caught with his pants down.

    Then we’d have had President Gore running the country for the last eight years, 9-11 would have never happened because the constant vigilance against SAUDI terrorism would have continued (just as it had when it stopped the millenium plot), and we wouldn’t be bogged down in war without end in Iraq.

    So, yeah, some problems started under Clinton. But anyone not dead to reason could see that they greatly accelerated under

    Worst.
    President.
    Ever.

  103. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Wrong again CapnAmerica.

    ——————-

    That’s fine with me Chas, the “!!!!!!” are blinding.

  104. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    One of these days the Editors will figure out how to stop such nonsense!!

  105. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    I think the WE Blog needs some critical remarks made against it in some other area Newspaper Blogs… Maybe that would wake up the local Editors.

  106. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Not bloody likely, Chas.

    The encourage it by the way they’ve set up the blog.

    If the Editors were going to do something about the unsolicited attacks on one’s person and profession, they would have done it about three years ago.

    All they care about is how many “hits” they get.

  107. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    JR — everybody needs friends… even if they are totally fake, and made up… LOL

  108. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Well, thats sad, CapN… very sad!!

  109. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Heh, JR.

    Rush Limpballs is beside himself seeing McCain and Huckabee surging.

    The corporation-in-a-suit they picked out this time to protect big monied interests–Romney–just isn’t gaining traction.

    After 8 years of corporations running the gov’t, old Rush hates to give that up.

  110. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    JR — Something about Ron Paul bothers me… I know he looks slick… but something about him just really bothers me… Maybe it has something to do with reading posts of those on the Blog who support him so heavily!! :-)

  111. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    I saw that earlier on Countdown, CapN… Rush is adamant about McCain gaining ground… And there are a few other Radio Talk loudmouths that are just as upset…

  112. Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    CountDown.

    Yup. I like that show too.

  113. Writerdog
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    I am watching the Republic debate on MSNBC, I guess I got my answer. I will make a confession.
    I have a great deal of respect for Sen. Mc Cain, even after all he has done that I disagree with I still think of him as a brave man who served his country with honor and deserves our respect as a nation.

    BUT if I could ask him one question, “ I know why the support of the surge was good, we went in with too few boots on the ground in Iraq to get the after job done. It was not a strategy or even a tactic but simple an “OH CRAP, need to fix this!”. But sir, I believe you to be a thinking and rational man, if I found I need to vote for a Republic. I could vote for you with the correct answer to the question. What is you afterthought?
    There is not military solution as it stands unless the plan is to wait for the Terrorists and insurgents to die of old age. Or we plan to occupy Iraq till the world stops turning. And please do not insult my intelligence by using the meaningless phrases such as “ As soon as the Iraqis stand up we will stand down!””.

    Well he was asked about the same question in a shorter version, his answer was more meaningless phrase and no plan for using the reduction in fighting for a meaningful use. I Could not vote for him even against Hillary.

  114. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Pretty scary, eh Dog??

  115. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately, the BEST man, with the BEST Resume, and the MOST experience, already pulled out of the race — Gov. Bill Richardson…

    I wish they could get him back in the race…

  116. Writerdog
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Yes Chas, sadly we crapped our pants by invading and no one seem to have given any real thought what to do now. Short of going naked and having our crappy butt hanging out in plain sight. Or wearing those pants till the smell dies down and hopefully goes away. Neither is a good answer, a simple pull out would mean we had broken Iraq and walked away. But to stay without us actually doing something that will fix what WE broke. Means we would be libel for everything that does go wrong, we would be the police force of Iraq at the cost of our own country. There are some, enemy and “friend” alike would think we would deserve to lose this country for that invasion. We were the aggressor and the world does not like aggressors those that use their military and power in general to invoke their will upon the other countries.

    WE are not the soviets and follow the Communist doctrine of spread Communism by force. There were those within our Government that forgot they were in America and not in the Soviet Union.

  117. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas.
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    I think the WE Blog needs some critical remarks made against it in some other area Newspaper Blogs… Maybe that would wake up the local Editors.
    ———————
    Go for it.

    I’m sure the WE Eagle could care less.

  118. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    I understand the newe Eagle Publisher wants to make the paper look better than it has in years. The Blogs arent helping that image much. I have a hunch she will want to make some much needed changes.

  119. Political_mama
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Hillary supporters, we’re organizing to caucus as team leaders NOW. So get on board, contact your local Hillary rep and offer to make phone calls and head your county’s caucus.

    The more the better!

  120. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas.
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    I understand the newe Eagle Publisher wants to make the paper look better than it has in years. The Blogs arent helping that image much. I have a hunch she will want to make some much needed changes.
    ———————–
    That’s good.

    I’m a registered user with the Eagle. They have my email, my IP and know where to find me.

    I post what I post and that’s all that I post.

    This is the only nickname I use on this blog.

    Deal with it.

  121. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    PMama I am heading into Lent soon… wish I had time to help you all out… Good luck!!

  122. Tap Herroni
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Chas.
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink
    I am not dealing with you tonight, A$$Hol

    OUCH! Chas, holy water. I have holy water. Don’t come any closer!

  123. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    I dont recall talking to Regular at any time… I just have a hunch that the new Publisher is looking to make some much needed change at the WE… It will be interesting to see how things change.

  124. Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Sometimes, it would be most beneficial to believe in Voo Doo… but alas, I dont, oh well!!

  125. Political_mama
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Are you giving up politics for Lent Chas?

  126. J R
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    I was going to caucus for Dennis.

    But he will leave the race tomorrow.

    This is the electoral process we have made.

    Well, at least no one on our side is trying to BUY the office like Willard Romney.

    I do not know who I will caucus for now.

  127. Steven Davis
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    “I do not know who I will caucus for now.”

    It is getting difficult, is it not, J R? I have been very unhappy with the Clinton distortions. Obama is not lighting my fire. Edwards is okay, but that is about it…

    At our house we got a robo-call from Michelle Obama. Time to consider what is best for the U.S.

    The last time the U.S. was doing what it should, i.e. paying down the deficit and growing the economy was under Clinton. Should we return to that? I have heard worse ideas…

  128. Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    No, PMama just no time!!

  129. J R
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    I REALLY do not like the dynasty thing. Bush,Clinton,bush,Clinton.

    I’ve said so again and again.

    But Obama wants us to work with the right.

    The right HAS no such diplomatic candidate. The VOICES for the right are happy to point out and deride any such perceived voice. Their take anyway.

    They hate McCain and dislike Huckabee.

    SO what is left for us to “work with” as Obama wants?

    Corporate raider Romney and Rudy 911.

    Thanks Barack but no.

  130. Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    JR — I think Barack’s idea is about the only way we are going to get Congress out of Gridlock!!

    I know that seems unfortunate, but I dont see much of any other way!!

  131. Steven Davis
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Excellent post at 10:31 pm, J R.

    Time to think and think some more…

    Maybe Pat Heronni/Histronic could give us some advice…

  132. The Phantom
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    VT, after giving it a little thought, I’ve concluded ‘intellectual arrogance’ would be very descriptive of our foreign policy as it relates to the mid-east, of late.
    We arrogantly thought we’d waltz into Iraq, overthrow the despicable despot, and be welcomed with flowers and sweets as liberators.
    We thought our form of govt. was so superior, that presumably, the Iraqies would cast off centuries of culture and their form of government, and embrace western democracy. Even though our leaders had only the vaguest of understanding of their culture, we equated them with a young America.
    Maybe Musharaff isn’t so far off the mark.

  133. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    I’m going with Obama.

    Edwards I like, but he can’t win.

    Clinton, I don’t like.

    Obama is a gamble, but just remember, no matter who we pick, we can’t possibly do worse than

    Worst.
    President.
    Ever.

  134. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Correct, JR.

    We’ve seen what the Clintons’ had to offer–status quo-ism.

    This is the former president who cut taxes on the 400 richest families in America more than Bush did.

    If the best we can do is another round of Clintonism, then this ain’t the best country in the world after all.

  135. Political_mama
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Clinton is the best we have, and I’m proud to say so. I think you’ll be very happy with her leadership once in office. of course the republicans are going to keep up their hit men after her, but perhaps once they cry wolf enough they’ll finally be left crying in their soup as she takes us back to a great America. I have little doubt that she’ll be one of the most phenominal presidents in history. Just like her husband.

  136. parkay
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    “When I’m President, I will appoint judges to our
    courts who understand that Roe v. Wade isn’t just
    binding legal precedent, [it] is the touchstone of our reproductive freedom, the embodiment of our most fundamental rights, and no one – no judge, no governor, no Senator, no President – has the right to take it away.”
    . . . baby-hating candidate Hog Futures Hillary
    Clinton, on the anniversary of the judicial tyranny of Roe v. Wade, biting off more than she can order killed, always promoting abortion mill profits, never talking about stopping coerced or high-risk post-viable abortions
    [I hope someone makes her explain how she intends for the contract killings to become safe, legal, and rare, if no one can be allowed to impose restrictions, even safety restrictions, and if decades of birth control drugs, condoms, and "safe sex" education have not made abortion safe or rare. Now we are seeing confirmation that many of the abortions in Kansas abortion mills are not legal, either.]

  137. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Liturgical Mainline Protestant

  138. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    ah cosmos, who constantly invokes the word ad hominem, has become a specialist in it.

    Everyone knows that cosmos is a hypocrite.

    Everyone also knows that cosmos is not a scientist.

  139. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how long cosmos will last after 31 January when registration will be required and he has to follow the rules?

  140. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Ahhhh now phony threats!!

  141. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas.
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Ahhhh now phony threats!!
    ————————–
    http://www.kansas.com/721/story/282271.html

  142. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    That link says nothing about a due date for registration on the Blog. As I said, phony threats!!

  143. Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    REgistration will have NO effect on Cosmos, or his/her presence on the Blog.

  144. Posted January 25, 2008 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    “Are you a member?

    You may be prompted to sign in! User registration has debuted on Kansas.com. Read more about it here. By registering, you can sign up for new e-mail newsletters, including daily news updates. And if you sign up by Jan. 31, you’ll be entered in a drawing for $1,000 from Equity Bank! Click here to get started.”

    “I’ve already registered to participate in Kansas.com discussion forums or to place classified ads online. Am I not already a Kansas.com member?”

    “Discussion forums and classifieds are on separate systems, and those accounts are not the same as Kansas.com user registration. We are working toward a single sign-on system, but for now, you must create a separate Kansas.com account. You may be able to use the same username, but this isn’t guaranteed. The sooner you register, the more likely it is that you’ll secure the username of your choice.

  145. Posted January 25, 2008 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    “And if you sign up by Jan. 31, you’ll be entered in a drawing for $1,000 from Equity Bank!”

    Thats the deadline for the drawing, dummy!! LOL

  146. J R
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Registration?

    I aint buying it.

    IF they do it, we will get ourselves our own blog.

    James can stay here and pollute this one.

  147. Posted January 25, 2008 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Good night; Good luck;
    God bless, whatever you conceive
    God to be!!

    Blessings All!!

  148. Posted January 25, 2008 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    Wichita Eagle Button
    J R
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Registration?

    I aint buying it.

    IF they do it, we will get ourselves our own blog.

    James can stay here and pollute this one

  149. Taz
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Chas…before accusing me of failing to READ the article, you might want to READ Capn’s intial post about this “leaking” stuff. At the end, he stated:

    “Bottom line: Top Bush administration officials colluded with Turks who then sold gov’t nuclear secrets to Pakistan and other terror-loving states and organizations.”

    So, number one, he is accusing the Bush Admin of this leaking. Yes, a president was blamed by your pal Capn. And Two, it was under the Clinton Admin this whole mess started. That attack by Capn kinda backfired on him.

    Notice, I am not defending any administration. It is just fun to poke holes in the extremist’s arguments. They are so easy to refute–with FACTS.

  150. Taz
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Time to dismis Chas…he is just a Capn sock puppet.

  151. Posted January 25, 2008 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Actually, Taz, I think that whole mess goes back into the mid-70’s… BEFORE Clinton… CapN’s point is that Bush is keeping the thing going, and not stopping it… Thus, this Edmonds person is the present day whistleblower… reported by a MURDOCH newspaper!!

    The actual Edmonds ARTICLE, as I said before doesnt even mention a President…

  152. Taz
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Chas..you are right, the article doesn’t. The extremist Capn does…in his hate filled diatribe, he has lost track of dates, facts, and the ability to reason.

  153. Max
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Political_mama
    Posted January 24, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink
    Clinton is the best we have, and I’m proud to say so. I think you’ll be very happy with her leadership once in office. of course the republicans are going to keep up their hit men after her, but perhaps once they cry wolf enough they’ll finally be left crying in their soup as she takes us back to a great America. I have little doubt that she’ll be one of the most phenominal presidents in history. Just like her husband.
    —————————————–

    Clinton is the Best Socialist and Biggest Gun Banner out there for sure!

  154. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Hehe, nice snag, Cosmos.

    Isn’t interesting that no one else on the WEBlog knows anything about mandatory registration except for JM-RepubliKhansas-Regular.

    Looks like somebody done been warned . . .

  155. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Taz–

    Have a nice day.

  156. Steven Davis
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    “Obama is a gamble, but just remember, no matter who we pick, we can’t possibly do worse than WPE”

    I think Obama is a gamble. Things are so completely screwed up currently, that I am less inclined to take any sort of gamble. Not completely sold, but why I am leaning toward Clinton. We know what to expect.

    As far “we can’t possibly do worse” – I believe that would be true if we elected almost any of the Republican contenders.

    Read about this Bush ideologue to get an idea of how well our system is working:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/20/AR2008012002275.html

  157. CapnAmerica
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    I respect your opinion, Steven.

    But if “experience” was a good thing, Bush/Cheney would have been great.

    Clinton has the wrong kind of “experience” IMHO.

    The kiss big-money-ass kind of experience, heh.

  158. Steven Davis
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    The experience I am thinking of is “it is possible to pay down the deficit and grow the economy”. Not the “Reagan taught us deficits don’t matter”.

    At long last the Reagan myth is being exploded.

    My contact with state government and its derivative lower level governments convinces me that we have never been in worse shape. Our infastructure is crumbling, we aren’t staffed well enough with local Law Enforcement so that they can afdequately do their job, etc. Our quality of life is suffering as an indirect result of Bush and his policies.

    The desperation of our current situation, leads me to hold my nose with respect to what I don’t like about the Clintons, take the “conservative” course, and vote for her.

    I am not happy with what the Hill and Bill are doing in terms of their campaign, thus making me reconsider if I can hold my nose long enough.

  159. Mary caruso
    Posted January 25, 2008 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    “Clinton is the Best Socialist and Biggest Gun Banner out there for sure!”

    Sounds like a good reason to vote for her! Go Hilary!

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