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Editors, I don’t know if you own the format here, but could we reverse it so that the last comment posts at the top? Would save a bunch of scrolling.

“Editors, I don’t know if you own the format here, but could we reverse it so that the last comment posts at the top? Would save a bunch of scrolling.”

That’s not a good idea. Discussion boards go top down for a reason. Earlier comments should be read first, because they create the context for many later comments. You are likely to have even more out of context and inappropriate responses than we have now.

Political_mama,

That post you Posted January 23, 2008 at 6:25 am was discussed yesterday in the open thread.

Here’s my responses:

“This is more of the same. As you said, both sides were complicit in outlining reasons to invade Iraq. The videos I provided show undeniable truth that the same people on the Democratic side of the house made similar states before Bush took office and after he took office.

To put up a scam study of revisionist history serves no purpose other than to encourage rancor.”

Playing the Muslim Card
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-122-2/#comment-280048

Democrats’ Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&feature=related

New Jewish Holocaust in the making?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

Just because bush and cronies sold some dems. a bill of goods, doesn’t exonerate them!

Sorry. Wrong thread.

Regular – Just because you posted about this yesterday, again backing Bush in the face of overwhelming evidence, does not mean that it is the last word. But it does go to show that Bush supporters have GOT TO BE THE MOST CLOSEMINDED PEOPLE EVER. To continue to deny, deflect, and outright lie in the face of all this evidence is truly unbelievable.

I don’t care who we were in bed with in the 1990’s, the fact is, we weren’t in a never ending war, and our president and his associates weren’t raking in the money while the rest of the country goes down in flames. So don’t talk to me about the duplicity of Democrats, he was flinging out propaganda for 2 years, so if the Democrats are guilty of anything, it is being gullible and believing the lies of the WH. BTW, not all of us were so stupid as to believe his lies, and were against the war in Iraq from the VERY BEGINNING!!

No both sides didn’t outright lie, Kansas. Now that you can no longer deny that he did lie, you have to resort to ‘they did it too?”. No the dems did NOT do it too. They listened and chose to believe, like many of us did, who didn’t believe that Bush was REALLY so bad of a president to LIE to the American people about a war.

We were WRONG. The dems were wrong in listening to him.

Even Bill Clinton said he would have never gone about Saddam in the same manner that Bush did, and that was said right after the invasion of Iraq.

Defend, deflect, deny…defend, deflect, deny.

It’s getting old.

Taz,

You will find that the Left Libs on this blog are some of the most accomplished liars on the planet. They will scream, holler and whine about trolls – while at the same time they are among the worst violators of what they complain about.

I agree Pmom. Whenever the wingnuts here or their idols get caught lying, stealing, whatever, their first response is “bipartisan”.

They did it too, Bill Clinton, everyone does it, are simply the latest in a long line of excuses for bad behavior.

And when it looks like the Democrats will take over both the Congress and the White House? They cant mouth the words “cooperation” “reaching across the aisle” and “bipartisan” fast enough.

Funny, they only want to work together when they see an impending ass whooping.

Too little too late. Repukes still have a year, so let’s see them do the bipartisan, cooperation two step FIRST this year.

My apologies, RD. Your posts were before and after that. Now, I see someone has done it again. I am sincerely sorry for wrongly accusing you.

Disappointing that whoever is doing that doesn’t have the maturity to post their own name/nic.

When it comes to Bush and the Iraq war, including the run up to it, the buck stops with him and his administration. Whether people went along with it or not is not the point.

The current administration, with Bush at its head, provided the information to be voted on. Congress voted to use force, after certain conditions were met. Those conditions were ignored. When Republicans and especially George W. Bush take responsibility for that, maybe something can be done. But when has GWB ever take responsibility for anything? He reeks of sociopathic tendancies, and, right or wrong, the stink has reached the rest of you.

I am still against the Dubai port deal, in that it is not a country we are fighting but a loose knit group in many countries though out the Middle East and the world. And yes Dubai along with the U.A.E. has played an unwitting role in it. They often have the same problem that Pakistan faces, it is hard to know the players without a score card. Every country in the middle East has their share of the extremists in them.

What would have been a better said concern about a aims deal with S.A. is that it along with Egypt, they have the fastest growth of home grown terrorism and their governments are often dancing on the head of a pin to stay in power. It is not that the terrorists at this point would gain control of these weapons it is that in the future they might gain the power and control of these countries.

As to the “lies” and who was spreading them, that was a big failure on many fronts. First is the CIA, they had moved from human assets to technological assets. This allowed a failing of real time and personal data.
It lead to such misreads like what came out when Gen. Powell gave his speech to the U.N. At the same time the speech was being broadcasted one of the weapons inspectors was watching and recognized one of the supposed weapons sites. As being one he had personal inspected, to his dismay when he learn of the time and date the photo had been taken. HE had been in the building at that very same time and date!
But the point being that there was faulty data from the start.

Second is there was a concerted effort by key members of the Bush Administration that did form a special intelligence group within the D.O.D. This group did go through the information that was gathered. quite a bit of it was raw data that had come in and was not verified. And yes the term “Cherry picking” does apply.
Often discounting data that was contrary to their desires and noting that data that was supportive of their desire.

Then distributed by means of giving one source many outlets to make it seem that the same information was had by more then one source. Take into account the reality that our intelligence agencies did not have the needed ability to verify nor discount it. This Cherry picked information was than pass out to whom ever requested it. There are a number of Pentagon employees at the time state that when asked for information on Iraq. They had been given “talking points” that were to be placed in every report.

Paul Wolfowitz in the D.O.D. and Doug Felth ( sorry I know I have misspelled his name) in State were instrumental in spreading the errant information through out the Government. Both have been in the Government throughout the last thirty years. At one time Wolfowitz actually tried to convince President Reagan I believe that we needed to get in a shooting war with Russia.

In the end, there is plenty of blame to go around and it did not help that foreign Government neither totally was backing the Intel for the invasion but neither were they prepared to dispute it. Snafu again!

Thanks, Reg…but it is not worth the time to worry about some childish prank. I will take the advice of not feeding the trolls and ignore this pathetic attempt to rile me.

10 days to vote an opinion.
7-oops-7.blogspot.com
Collecting tales and views of the event via comment or email.
truthengineering.blogspot.com/2007/09/shattered-dreams.html

Yes Rd it was the first book I read on the subject.
But I have taken a bit of a break on reading books at the moment. I got a couple of hundred pages into ‘Bushworld” and stopped. I found it much like a Michael Moore movie. There maybe some real and factual parts. But in the attempt to be creative, the author made it easy to discount. You should try Partick J. Buchanan “WHERE THE RIGHT WENT WRONG, how the Neoconservatives subverted the Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency” Also Bob Woodward’s third installment “STATE OF DENIAL”. Both books are very informational and relevant to what has happen and I hope has been stopped.

And speaking of authors how is the newsest one coming for you?

Rage–I suppose we could consider ourselves lucky that Brittney didn’t get another haircut, or there would be NO real news on there.

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RD
Posted January 23, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

“Second is there was a concerted effort by key members of the Bush Administration that did form a special intelligence group within the D.O.D.”

And wasn’t that group spearheaded by our illustrious VP, Dick Cheney?
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Isn’t that what the Defense Intelligence Agency is for? That agency has been around for decades.

WD,

Woodward’s “Plan of Attack” is on my bookshelf, but as yet unread. I picked it up at the Art & Book Fair at Riverfest for a couple of bucks. :) Right now, I need some humor, and since Dave Madden sent me his book, “Reuben on Wry”, I’ll dive into that next…when time allows.

I’ll know about the “newest” in a year or so, when the numbers come in. It did garner some good reviews though, so that’s a plus.

Praytell, what grabs the spam-hammer’s attention?

URL? – cannot be as there are some that pass
Site? – such as blogspot, etc.
IP? – oh, that’s paranoid
Attitude? – too much iconoclasm, etc.
Message? – liberalism, etc. (note, bow to the ‘redness’ of the milieu)

ksgrm – it is Israel who is blockading their coastline preventing imports and exports. The US is assisting with this blockade. We are also maintaining an air shutdown on them. Gaza is, in effect, a massive prison camp under Israeli control. Egypt maintained the isolation by agreement with Israel.

. . .what Ben said, too.

Max,

What on earth :-) are you talking about?

I can clearly see the MADE IN CHINA sticker.

Whatever that stuff is on Mars, it’s all a lie and big massive plot by Bush and Israel. They are always to blame.

“The internal expurgation of the Jewish spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Jewish spirit as the product of the Jewish person. Unless we expel the Jewish people. Unless we expel the Jewish people soon, they will have judaized our people within a very short time.”

- Jackel, Hitler’s Worldview, p. 52; from a speech at Nuremberg, January 13, 1923

Max,

Using my professional graphics software (cough) – I enhanced the Mars photo to investigate further. I was surprised and shocked what I found.

The Gaza situation reminds me of Nazi Germany when they had the jews sequested in that tiny area portrayed in “The Pianoist”. Never Forget! Difference is instead of humanely killing them, they are killing them by slow starvation.

Ben and Rage Israel has offered to give back over 90% of the land they won fair and square when they were invaded. I won’t get into the entire history of the war between Palestine and Israel but there is history here you are ignoring. Hamas threatens Israel everyday. Even Egypt told them to stop. They won’t. Do we not allow Israel to protect herself?

Not sure I get the rational here.

“Five Arab League countries (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq) invaded Israel, sparking the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Israel captured territory that changed its borders, but left Jerusalem a divided city. In the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip from Egypt, and East Jerusalem including the Old City and its holy sites, which Israel annexed and reunited with the Western neighborhoods of Jerusalem. The status of the city as Israel’s capital and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip has remained a source of bitter conflict.

For decades after 1948, Arab governments had refused to recognize Israel and in 1964 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was founded with the central tenet that Palestine, with its original Mandate borders, is the indivisible homeland of the Arab Palestinian people. In turn Israel refused to recognise the PLO as a negotiating partner. In 1988, Yasser Arafat stated that he recognized Israel’s right to exist, thus providing the first step needed to enable negotiations between Israel and the PLO.”

There is much more here than we in the US recognize. Israel is an island in an Arab world and as such has to protect herself and her people daily. Would you take away their right to exist?

The Phantom
Posted January 23, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink
Bush Bear Market will seal the fate of the Republicans.

Just out of curiousity Phantom, how is this bear market a Bush doing?

Yeah could be Regular.

Elvis is alive and well on Mars!

(Fits in well with the Jewish Hate thread and Economy thread too.)

Actually Ksgrm, the Lib view here on Israel is at least consistent.

They would cut the US Defense budget, surrender in Iraq, pull our troops back from the rest of the world and most importantly:

Tolerate a few attacks on America, because we deserve it.

The Libs are advocating the same thing for Israel as they are for the USA.

At least they are consistent on this.

You, Max, are least consistent on making things up and attributing it all to “liberals.”

Yawn. . .

Libs have no other message Rage:

2 Americas the poor hate the rich!

Let’s tax the rich to death!

Evil corporations!

Let’s tax the corporations to death!

Free stuff for the people!

Who has that quote from Billary about taking ALL the profits from the Oil Companies and giving it to the Government?

That’s the problem Phantom, your party likes to spend money ‘we’ don’t have, just like the republicans.

Max, and the Dems approved EVERY dime being spent on the wars.

Welcome to the future?

‘In US South, Drought Spooks the Nukes!’
http://www.desmogblog.com/in-us-south-drought-spooks-the-nukes
“LAKE NORMAN, N.C. – Nuclear reactors across the Southeast could be forced to throttle back or temporarily shut down later this year because drought is drying up the rivers and lakes that supply power plants with the awesome amounts of cooling water they need to operate.”

HATE BUSH.
HATE BUSH.
HATE BUSH.

Don’t ya get it AmWay? Everything is Bush’s fault!

According to the Party of Hate.

You had a good post the other day about all The People taking off their team’s jersey’s and instead, rooting for the same team. Team USA.

Nice idea, but that will never happen.

The People would have to be intelligent enough to reason and consider differing views, and evaluating differing views based on the facts.

Instead, ideas are evaluated based upon who presents the idea.

JFK can propose Tax Cuts and get overwhelming support from Democrats.

Bush proposes Tax Cuts and Democrats HATE him for cutting taxes on the rich.

I’m convinced most people are too stupid to see there is no free lunch. There are too stupid to realize that they must work hard to earn a decent paycheck and they are too brainwashed to see there is no money tree.

Eyes will remain shut until after the train crashes, in the biggest Worldwide Depression ever seen. The Socialist Experiment will fail again when National Healthcare is added to the burden of Social Security and Medicare, the US and then the World Economy will collapse.

By the mid-2020’s those still alive will wish that they weren’t.

Course Global Warming will kill us all before then, so who cares?

Spend away!

Hey Max…I am surprised we haven’t seen the extinction of dinosaurs, Marilyn Monroe’s death, and the cancellation of Bonanza all claimed to be Bush’s fault as well.

Who said anything about any of those people Clark?
Not me.

My post was referring to the masses. The sheep.

Who said anything about playing nice?

Clark — All bullies want to play nice when their backs are against the wall, or they are pinned to the ground!! LOL

Ummm Hitler was DEAD by 1948!! LOL

“The nation of Isareal was attacked and fought back winning the war in 1948 square and fair.”

The Nation of Israel was created from Arab land in 1948 by UN mandate, with the support of England and the US, in response to the Holocaust.

Now, KsGrm, THAT is true about those beads!! Tooo funny!!!

“they bought Manhattan and New York with a string of beads.”

The Israelis did not buy the land from the Arabs – it was given to them.

Because they wanted somewhere to live in “peace” and because they believed, and still believe that where they are now IS their rightful Homeland.

Chas that was very good. Sorry about the name calling. You didn’t deserve it.

Max posted January 23, 2008 at 11:51 am

“JFK can propose Tax Cuts and get overwhelming support from Democrats.”

Kennedy only cut the marginal tax rate from 91% down to 70%.

Max is like those talking dolls with a string — pull the string, and out comes the same old Rush Limbaugh BS.

‘JUST LIKE AL [GORE]SAID! Russert pushed them RNC points. Somebody go wake Fred Barnes!’
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120202.shtml

Ummmm just where did Israel manage to get an Army together to fight this “war” in 1948??

WS what part of the Jews offered 90% of the land to the Palestinians and they refused. They want all or nothing. Wiping Israel out is the only solution for them.

Chas.
Posted January 23, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
Ummmm just where did Israel manage to get an Army together to fight this “war” in 1948??

I don’t know Chas I wasn’t old enough to remember this but maybe they had help from God’s army.

If Canada launched mortar rounds into populated regions of the USA, you don’t think for a minute, that we would not respond?

In effect, every time Hamas launches missles at Israel, they are starting a war. Israel appears to be trying to show restraint (where they could invade again). But they must respond to attacks upon their territory. We would do the same or worse (depending upon which party is in power, we might drop a cruise missle on an outhouse in Canada if libs were in power. An atomic bomb if republican).

Hamas, is very very good at the propoganda war. They have been known to rig sites with bodies before the press arrives. So of course, the world will focus on it’s starving people and blame Israel – but not discuss disarming the latest version of the PLO.

Amway, I dont disagree with what you post there, but I am not sure what kind of spin you are putting on it…

Sometimes, I have the feeling that if the rest of the world would stay OUT of the conflict, Israel and the Palestinians could work it out among themselves…

Well said VT. And a good start would be the freeing of the ‘occupied terrories’ and allowing peace-keepers in to help with antion-building.

Every American president makes it a part of his years in the presidency to start another venture at peace in the middle east. None have ever worked.
Interesting, the nations full of people who hate us – seem to turn to us to step in.

Maybe we should keep our noses out of these countries (and end all aid) and we would be better off.

Apparently a large majority of Americans are jewish/israel supporters, because we keep voting people into the white house who support Israel.
How else is the small country of Israel getting all our support?

Another part to tax reform passed in the early years of the Kennedy administration, in addition to reduction in the top marginal rate for individuals, was the concept of accelerated depreciation to encourage new investment in PP&E. The latter was deemed necessary as there had been little of this type of investment following WW II.

“I do sometimes feel that for the little nation of Israel”

That little Nation of Israel is a nuclear power and has the strongest armed forces (except ours) in the Middle East.

There is a reason that the Arabs do not attack Israel directly – they get their asses kicked every time they do.

From today’s Fresno Bee:
Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards’ campaign for president offers a much-needed vision that recognizes the hope and promise of America. It’s a view that includes solidifying the plight of working families and others in the middle class.

This group of Americans has struggled the past eight years under an administration that has catered to the well-connected and powerful, and it’s time for leadership that understands the contributions and needs of American families.

We believe that John Edwards can provide that leadership and urge Democratic and independent voters to support him in the California primary on Feb. 5.

Edwards has been running behind Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama in the early primary and caucus states, and we recognize that he needs to do better if he is going to have a chance of winning the nomination. We believe that Edwards has the opportunity to do well in the upcoming states as his message of hope begins to be heard.

Edwards has a realistic plan for withdrawing this nation from the quagmire of the Iraq war. He has proposed reducing troop levels by 40,000 to 50,000 immediately and then withdrawing all “combat” troops in 10 months. He would station about 10,000 troops in neighboring countries to serve as “quick reaction forces” if al-Qaida attempts to make Iraq a safe haven.

He supports a balanced immigration policy that recognizes the need for an agricultural guest-worker program that would enable farmworkers to “come out of the shadows.” He would protect our borders by doubling the Border Patrol and sanction employers who hire illegal immigrants. In exchange for playing by the rules, he would offer illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. That path would not be a gift, but would include paying a fine and learning English.

Edwards has been out in front in offering solutions to the nation’s economic problems, even before the administration realized the depth of the current crisis. His plan includes a $25 billion economic package that would invest in clean energy, expand unemployment benefits, help states that are cash-strapped and establish a “home rescue fund” to keep homes out of foreclosure. His plan could grow to $100 billion if the economy doesn’t turn around.

We supported Edwards four years ago in the Democratic primary because he offered a real opportunity to bridge a nation that has been divided along class lines. That need has only increased under the current administration, and we think Edwards, with his populist message, offers a change for the better.

Let’s see — Israel stays in need of help and assistance from the West… The Palestinians keep on complaining and timely launch a few missiles… and they get help and assistance from other Arab States… And they both continue to exist…

Maybe thats the way it works out best for both of them?? Without assistance could either one make it on their own?? Just a thought??

““Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago.”

The Native Americans have them beat by about 20,000 years.

“The Native Americans have them beat by about 20,000 years”.

Time span is accurate, but the name is not. They could accurately be called “First Americans”, but not ‘native’, as they immigrated from Asia across the land bridge on the Bering Sea about 25,000 years ago.

Actually, Europe, the US, and the Arabs directly fund Hamas with “humanitarian” aid for food and supplies.

When the cash was pulled last year, all of sudden the fighting momentarily stopped, while the Palestians had to focus on doing something productive, like searching for food.

The Palestians have their hand out in the Socialist world. Without aid, they whither on the vine. They cannot survive on their own. (Sound familiar?) They CHOOSE to make guns instead of butter.

And when their backs are pounded against the wall by the latest Israeli offensive, all of a sudden they talk peace.

A truce is signed, foreign aid resumes, the Palestinians go on the offense again starting a new round of battles in the thousands year old war.

Repeat, then repeat again, and again.

I agree with those who say leave the Palestianians and Israelis alone to duke it out. Unfortunately, that will never happen.

“as they immigrated from Asia across the land bridge on the Bering Sea about 25,000 years ago.”

The Native Americans did not across a land bridge from Asia via the Bering Straits – there is absolutely no archaeological evidence to support that theory.

They arrived via boats in the NW area of what is now the US.

Read “Red Earth, White Lies” by the late professor Vine Deloria.

From genetic evidence, it would appear from what I’ve read that the only continent with truly native/indigenous people is Africa. All other areas of the world are populated by descendants of immigrants.

University of Colorado, “During the Last Glacial Maximum, about 21,000 years ago, global sea level was approximately 120 m (400 ft) lower than today. The Bering Land Bridge existed as a vast tundra plain connecting Asia and North America. As the world’s glaciers and ice sheets melted over the following millenia, rising sea level flooded the land bridge — blocking migration routes for animals and humans.”

University of Montana: “Exposure of the Bering Sea Land Bridge is significant for several reasons. Many archaeologists and anthropologists believe that the Americas were populated by people who migrated across the land bridge. In addition, many land animals may have been able to migrate through Beringia, including mammoths, muskox, and lemmings.”

National Geographic: “The long-gone land bridge between Asia and Alaska—a route possibly followed by the first humans to reach the Americas—flooded about 12,000 years ago, a new study suggests.”

So sometime in the last 21,000 years there was global warming that melted all that ice.

Did man cause global warming THAT time?

I understand that the current state of Israel was origingally to be called something else, maybe Zion, but in a stroke of genius the zionist leader decided to call it Israel. Guess that was because they would have the biblical claim directly associated with the new state, and of course the backing of the fundies.

Rage — isnt it egypt thats blocking the border??

Looks like the jews mainly used terrorism to drive out the pals.:
[edit] First stage of the flight, December 1947 – March 1948
In the first few months of the civil war the climate in the Mandate of Palestine became volatile. Although throughout this period both Arab and Jewish leaders tried to limit hostilities between Jews and Arabs[3]. According to historian Benny Morris, the period was marked by Arab initiatives and Jewish reprisals[4]. On the other hand, Flapan points out a pattern in which terrorist attacks by Irgun and Lehi resulted in Arab retaliations and then ‘the Haganah – while always condemning the actions of Irgun and Lehi – joined in with an inflaming counterretaliation’[5]. Typically the Jewish reprisals were directed against villages and neighborhoods from which attacks against Jews had originated[6], were more damaging than the provoking attack and included killing of armed and unarmed men, destruction of houses and sometimes expulsion of inhabitants[7]. The Zionist groups of Irgun and Lehi reverted to their 1937-1939 strategy of placing bombs in crowded places such as bus stops, shopping centres and markets. Their attacks on British forces reduced British troops’ ability and willingness to protect Jewish traffic[8]. General conditions deteriorated: the economic situation became unstable and unemployment grew[9]. Rumours spread that the Husaynis were planning to bring in bands of fallahin to take over the towns[10]. Some Palestinian Arab leaders send their families abroad. The Arab Liberation Army embarked on a systematic evacuation of non-combatants from several frontier villages in order to turn them into military strongholds [11]. Arab depopulation occurred most in villages close to Jewish settlements and in vulnerable neighborhoods in Haifa, Jaffa and West-Jerusalem[12]. The poor inhabitants of these neighborhoods generally fled to other parts of the city. Many rich inhabitants fled further away, most of them expecting to return when the troubles were over[13]. By the end of March 1948 thirty villages were depopulated[14] and around 100,000 Palestinian Arabs had fled to Arab parts of Palestine, such as Nazareth, Nablus and Bethlehem or had left the country altogether[15] to Transjordan or Egypt. Other sources speak of 30,000 Palestinian Arabs[16]. Many of these were Palestinian Arab leaders, middle and upper-class Palestinian Arab families from urban areas. Around 22 March the Arab governments agreed that their consulates in Palestine would only issues visas to old people, women and children and the sick [17].

Chas/AmericanWay: What you are suggesting did happen, sort of. Some years ago the Royal Canadian Navy was installing new weapon guidance systems, with the aide of the US supplier, when somehow a few missiles were fired, landing Washington State. Heck, I always blamed the higher costs of Zambonies on our declining dollar, never thinking of retaliaton at all!

Max posted January 23, 2008 at 1:24 pm

“So sometime in the last 21,000 years there was global warming that melted all that ice.

Did man cause global warming THAT time?”

Max’s logic(sic) seems to be that if nature caused something in the distant past, humans cannot cause it now.

Let me try. Nature caused plants to be watered before humans were on Earth, so that proves that humans cannot cause plants to be watered today.

Hey! I can think(sic) just like an AGW denier. Maybe a right-wing think(sic) tank, or fossil-fuel company will pay me?

Rage: Canada is a big exporter foods with plenty of fresh water, drug, petrochemical, manufacturing, research, and energy (lots and lots of which goes south)in a land mass so huge it would be impossible to blockade in the true sense of the word. Besides Canada is the biggest customer for 38 of the 50 States! Kinda like the rationing I remember during WW2 might happen I guess, so miltiary obliteration yes, but starvation, no. Utimatley we would probaly find that the instructions for firing the US bought weaponry were written in English only, thus making it difficult for 35% of the armed forces to fully digest and once the translation to French was completed I’m sure the crisis would be over.

TOO funny NN!! LOL

Chas, even Hillary Clinton is NOT disputing she had access to the NIE.

I’ve never heard anyone make that claim.

WOW Max is on a rant today.

I know why.

362 days til the total Democratic take over!

Measure youself Max.

You’re gonna spontaneously combust before the election. Wait til then and go thermonuclear!

Max, I didnt make the claim… I asked a question, because I cant remember what Committee she was on… Geez. A Question isnt a claim

Ron Paul endorsed by Jane Roe, yes, THAT Roe
What a coincidence!

On the 35th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s historic Roe vs. Wade abortion ruling, the Roe of that landmark legal case endorsed libertarian turned Republican Rep. Ron Paul for president. Paul, a 10-term Texas congressman from the Houston area, is a 72-year-old Air Force veteran and ob-gyn who has surprised many political observers with the fervor of his bands of followers, not to mention his campaign’s fundraising prowess that has outshined other Republican so-called front-runners.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/ron-paul-gets-e.html

Anyone hear about the Bataan death march?

OMG, when they’re not whining about some imagined socialism, they’re digging up FDR and whining about him. Lost in the past much?

A few Bataan stories:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/macarthur/sfeature/bataan_japan.html

Compare to the horror stories at Abu Ghraib or Guantanmo.

I now about Bataan… my mother lost a Cousin in the death march…

Show me one Democrat other then Lieberman who has said he wants Victory in Iraq?

Come on Max take your Alzheimers pills… This is the 21st Century now… WW II has been over for 63 years now… Jump into the present tense… NOBODY is talking surrender in Iraq, except for YOU, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and Medved…. maybe O’Reilly… And Savage, and Mark Levin… Day after day after day of Surrender LIES…. Oh, and Liebermann is an independent, I think…

MAX — DEFINE SURRENDER, you crazy wing nut!

Chas everytime I give you a pass and treat you like you have a brain you prove me wrong. Don’t think attacking all of the time like the left radicals you hang out with is winning. Win by stating facts and logic not by calling names and trying to belittle the opposition. You may get some ‘atta a boys’ from the gang but you just look foolish to the rest.

Thats what I figured… just ranting… I post facts and logic, and KsGrm doesnt even know the difference… Tsk Tsk

Taz–

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

I hold stocks myself. Of course, I don’t want them to tank.

Also, what pictures?

taz
Posted January 20, 2008 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

Yeah, Reg, I noticed that. Some people let their paranoia show a lot–when they go overboard worrying about who is posting, especially when they have nothing intelligent to say. The tactic seems to be, if they can claim someone uses more than one nic (with no proof, evidence or any suggestion of fact) then they (specifically WS) don’t have to respond with reason.

WS, especially, retreats to personal insults, claims of “trolls” and the like instead of trying to respond to reason. A difference of opinion does not automatically make one “wrong” and one “right”..it is a simple difference of opinion. One that WS obviously cannot handle. Maybe that is why he wrote a few months ago how he was leaving this blog and never coming back. So much for his honesty.

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Freud calls this: projection.

Yer right, Reg. He is not worth the time it would take to answer his lies.

I don’t understand the tactics, tho….to personally insult and attack someone because you disagree with their opinion is incredibly childish.

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Max?

BUSH’S (god how I hate captializing that name) definition of victory in Iraq..

I think the 6th version…

“A free and democratic Iraq capable of defending itself and being an ally in the war on terror.”

Now bush lied to us about how long that would take. Maybe you’d like to give us YOUR guess and see who’ll sign on to wait with you for it.

bush didn’t fail. It was his INTENTION to have a permanent military garrison in Iraq. And if any of the Republican nominees is elected, he will get his wish.

Is that…your wish too?

“A free and democratic Iraq capable of defending itself and being an ally in the war on terror.”

And the Iraqis say that it will be AT LEAST ten more years……………..

Let’s see – $200 (low estimate) billion per years – ten years = $2 trillion, on top of the $1 trillion already spent = let see carry the ………..

$3 trillion!

To get rid of a two bit dictator that couldn’t even defeat Iran in ten years WITH WMD and US support.

Jeez, wonder why Bush is called………..

the Worst President Ever?

Anyone else get a robo-call from Michelle Obama? Kansas may make a difference this year.

Hey guys. I looked up how much a Billion is. Why?? The State of Kansas is building a 3.6 Billion Dollar Wind Park in Wichita Kansas. Ok??? This is 3600 Million. There are 10 $100,000.oo’s in a Million. There are 1000 millions in a Billion. This is 3600 Million. 3600 Million for wind. $3.6 Billion for a “Blow Park”. In Kansas???? the state has $750,000,000.oo in surplus. They said in 2 years it will be in defeciet. Where is the 3600 Million coming from for a Blow Park??? How much wind are they blowing up our skirts????? Herb West III Publisher/Journalist. west.herb@yahoo.com

Wind doesnt tap into water resources either, Herb!! What more could be hope for??

Renewable resource herb.

Instead of posting here, you should go stand in front of the turbines and rant. Get Max to join you and we’ll need no other wind at all!

$3600 Million as you say is not over head… That is capital investment… Overhead is what it takes to RUN the turbines once they are built… At that price, that must be one HUGE wind farm!! Should produce a LOT of power for the Wichita area… And CLEAN energy…. And entirely reproducable!!

Give me 10 percent of that low overhead. :)

How much maintenance etc. does a wind farm need… THAT is overhead!! Geez!!

Go be self pretensions Her.

His whole name AND III

Guy fancies himself huh?

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Second is there was a concerted effort by key members of the Bush Administration that did form a special intelligence group within the D.O.D.”
And wasn’t that group spearheaded by our illustrious VP, Dick Cheney?

I just got on and do not have the time to site it, and whom was within the group that was formed within the D.O.D. but it did not exist prior to the Bush administration. I will post tomorrow. And not Regular it was not the same group that you sited.

Lotsa debate about how terrible it was to require a photo ID to vote. No stats were provided as to how many Americas lack at least 1 photo ID.

Now there are some stats.

In Indiana, 34 out 165,000 voters did not have a photo ID. That is 0.02%. That is 2/10,000th!

In Indiana, 2 voters out of every 10,000 voters did NOT have a photo ID.

OK taxpayers, let’s foot the bill to pay for 20,000 photo ID’s for the 0.02% of 100 Million voters that don’t have a photo ID.

Assuming $2 per ID, that would be $40,000 to help ensure America eliminates some cheating voters out there!

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19224199&BRD=1776&PAG=461&dept_id=602485&rfi=6

What’s Wrong With Photo Identification?

A lot better than your crap!!

Taz can say this–“I don’t understand the tactics, tho….to personally insult and attack someone because you disagree with their opinion is incredibly childish” after saying this–You are really off base, you arrogant punk. Stick it where the sun don’t shine” without even understanding what he say completely contradicts what he does.

Just like he ridicules others for complaining about “trolls” until it happens to him.

Then he’s the biggest cry-baby on The WEBlog.

Next to the dictionary definition of hypocrite, there’s a picture of Taz.

What up?

Max…

Have you learned about water vapour yet?

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-123-2/#comment-280652

Yeah Cosmos, Water Vapour is 95% of all greenhouse gases.

Water.

Max,

Gosh Max, you are so smart! You’d probably argue that a tiny amount of Ebola virus could do nothing to a human, since it was a tiny, insignificant percentage. /sarcasm OFF .

Different viruses have different effects on humans.

Different GHG’s have different global warming potentials (GWP’s).

Water vapour only causes (depending on various overlaps) between 36% and 66% of the greenhouse effect.

Max, you paid for this site with your taxes. You should read it… unless you wish to continue to be ignorant about AGW.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/index.html

Water vapour only causes (depending on various overlaps) between 36% and 66% of the greenhouse effect.
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ONLY? :D

Between 36% and 66%

– Wow, that must be facts from peer reviewed science with a thirty percent wiggle added to it.

Of course, then there is wind, Southern Oscillations like El Ninjo, La Ninja, tectonics, the sun, cosmic rays, axis shifts, polar shifts, etc. etc. that affect the environment and climate change – those must be tiny percentages right? :D

Wow cosmos, dragging posts from almost a year ago.

Too bad the only people mentioning Beck on that thread was you and Ben. I didn’t bring it up.

Of course, cosmos has admitted that computer climate models are not accurate and the climate is just too complex to make accurate predictions.

You know, cosmos bases all of his gloom and doom on these climate models that are not accurate or cannot predict a complex climate.

Then cosmos fails to mention, if we stopped 100 percent of man made co2 output, there would be no noticeable change to the climate, clear up to the year 2100.

cosmos does not understand that linking to a blog is not peer reviewed science, it is opinion – not scientific fact.

cosmos constantly posts false, misleading information from opinion blogs. cosmos is not a scientist.

JimmyMac,

Please post some credible links, from some credible PhD Industrial Hygiene Engineers, re the roughly 0.16 ppmv Scripps CO2 data revision.

Thank you.

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Posted January 24, 2008 at 1:14 am | Permalink

JimmyMac,

Please post some credible links, from some credible PhD Industrial Hygiene Engineers, re the roughly 0.16 ppmv Scripps CO2 data revision.

Thank you.
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cosmos,

Please post some credible links, from one credible PhD Climatologist, that measures Silicon Valley’s HFC’s that doesn’t affect workers but theoretically affects climate change.

In return, all electronic machines have a paper trail and submit to random independent verification.

Still not good enough. The Diebold source code is protected by law. It is all too easy to write malicious that would go undetected during testing both before and after the election. The paper trail could just as easily be manipulated. The larger problem is when the memory cards are fed into the counting machine. That data can be manipulated as well. The only true way, IMHO, is to allow the source code to be audited. Why would ANYONE try to get a some scripting language code protected by law so that it may never be audited? Smells pretty damn fishy to me.

Since 1980 politicians have been looking for a cheaper way to buy elections. Paying off the staff got to be too expensive. Along came Diebold. Problem solved. They had proof of concept in 2000 and proved recreation in 2004.