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Rose Parade Kicks Off in Pasadena
Two groups were protesting at the parade. Dozens of anti-war protesters led by “Peace Mom” Cindy Sheehan staked out spots across from television cameras, hoisting signs reading “Impeachment is Patriotic.” The protesters were booed by parade watchers sitting in the grandstand.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jJttAswOG3PVP6MFRZqaHqqaJBaQD8TT9APG0
Nitwit
Man who shot home invader had heart attack
Harold Crown, a 64-year-old Niceville man who fought off three men who broke into his home Dec. 18, suffered a mild heart attack during the battle, an Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office report said.
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/article/11028
Oh yes, there was a gun involved. Harold managed to shoot one of his attackers.
More gun violence.
[Sarcasm Off]
Ron Paul rose close to $20 million this past quarter. He far out raised any other GOP candidate. He rivals Clinton’s money machine. The difference being Ron Paul’s money is coming from the average Joe while a lot of other’s money is coming from big business investors.
Now think about that for a second, Ron Paul earned more than almost any candidate and his funds come from average citizens. Fox claims that Ron Paul does not deserve a seat on their debate or seminar or whatever they want to call it based on poll numbers.
Now if Ron Paul outraised EVERY SINGLE GOP candidate, I would have to assume that he is far more favored. What is Fox afraid of? Just how reliable are these polls? All the RP nay-sayers, the money speaks for itself. More people are willing to part with their hard earned dollars to support Ron Paul than any other GOP candidate.
Ron Paul rose close to $20 million this past quarter. He far out raised any other GOP candidate. He rivals Clinton’s money machine. The difference being Ron Paul’s money is coming from the average Joe while a lot of other’s money is coming from big business investors.
Now think about that for a second, Ron Paul earned more than almost any candidate and his funds come from average citizens. Fox claims that Ron Paul does not deserve a seat on their debate or seminar or whatever they want to call it based on poll numbers.
Now if Ron Paul outraised EVERY SINGLE GOP candidate, I would have to assume that he is far more favored. What is Fox afraid of? Just how reliable are these polls? All the RP nay-sayers, the money speaks for itself. More people are willing to part with their hard earned dollars to support Ron Paul than any other GOP candidate.
sry for the double post. Browser issues.
State poised for new wind energy era
Westar Energy officials last week talked down the prospects for wind power in the state after the Kansas Corporation Commission denied the utility an extra 1 percent profit for assuming the added risk of developing wind power.
In truth, there’s little risk — wind is fast becoming a mature industry. At a recent energy summit in Topeka, several experts said wind power was poised for explosive, exponential growth in Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma and other high-wind states.
http://www.kansas.com/611/story/269184.html
If Westar doesn’t build it, someone else will.
we’ll see soon how solid his support is, won’t we?
You should be celebrating the protest at the Rose Bowl Parade, XXX. Freedom of speech and the right to protest what America is all about. If you don’t like it, then move to Iran.
Mary?
That was kinda mean!
I love Cindy though, if she actually challenges Pelosi this year I’ll send her money.
“Just how reliable are these polls?”
The explanation I have read is that the National polls are primarily done with registered voters who have land lines. This does not take into account those voting for the first time and those using cell Phones. In on-line polls Paul usually finish within the top four and most of the time as number one.
Its either that or most of the voters contacted in the National polls are like a teenage girl, they want to be told its love when it just sex the Candidate is after!
Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee on the block
by Jason George
DES MOINES – It’s a tale of two HQs.
In one corner – literally, the corner of 6th and Locust streets – you have the downtown headquarters of Gov. Mike Huckabee, the Republican frontrunner who leads here in Iowa, according to nearly every recent poll. Next door, you have the HQ of Rep. Ron Paul, who lags in those same polls, usually in 4th or 5th place.
Based on those rankings, you might guess that Huckabee’s main Iowa office space and Des Moines presence would dwarf that of Paul’s, but you’d be wrong. In fact, it’s Paul’s place that continues to grow and spread, looking for more space and larger areas to accommodate the waves of volunteers that arrive daily.
Huckabee’s operation, in contrast, works out of an area a fourth the size of Paul’s, with only a fraction of people as well. Also, while Paul’s camp has a 15-person phone bank operating 12 hours a day, Huckabee’s office has trouble even answering their phones. On more than one occasion recently this reporter has called Huckabee HQ only to find the telephone line — the main line that a prospective voter or volunteer could call — picked up by voicemail or not answered at all.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/ron_paul_and_mike_huckabee_on.html
“Marine Sgt Mike McNulty is on activation orders to Iraq (second tour). On December 1st, 2007, Mike went to visit a friend in Chicago before deploying to say goodbye. In order to get to his friend’s residence, and keep in mind that Chicago is a myriad of diagonal and one-way streets, the front entrance (right way) to the one-way street was blocked. Mike, being a Marine, overcame and adapted by driving around the block to the other end of the street and backing up all the way to his friend’s place.
While saying goodbye, at about 11 am, he noticed a man leaning up against his car. Mike left his friend’s apartment and caught the man keying his car on multiple sides. After caught in the process, the man told Mike, “you think you can do whatever you want with Department of Defense license plates and tags”. (In Illinois you can purchase veteran, Marine, or medal plates. Mike has Illinois Marine Corps license plates.) During the exchange, he made additional anti-military comments.
Mike called the Chicago police and had the man arrested. A citation against the man was issued for misdemeanor criminal damage to private property.
The police report (and I have copies if needed) states:
Victim related to P/O that as he walked back to his vehicle, he observed the offender leaning up against his vehicle and rubbed/dragged his left arm and hand across the passenger side. As offender walked away from victim’s vehicle, victim observed a scratch along the rear trunk and passenger’s door area where offender dragged his arm and hand over. Victim and witness stopped offender and confronted him. Victim has military plates and decals on his vehicle and offender made anti war and military comments to victim. Upon P/O’s arrival to scene, offender denied scratch victim’s vehicle, but did admit to rubbing past it. Victim at this time did not sign complaint, because he is leaving tour for military duty. Offender said they accused him of scratching the car because he is Jewish. Offender’s statements/responses to P/O’s questions unreasonable.
As it turns out, the man is Chicago lawyer Jay R. Grodner, who owns a law firm in the city and has offices in the suburbs.
After sending the car to the body shop, it was determined there is $2400 in damage, making this a felony. Mike went to court Friday morning to collect the damages against Mr. Grodner and file felony charges. Though the damages are over $300 (the amount which determines felony or misdemeanor) Grodner offered Mike to pay his deductible, $100, and have Mike’s insurance pay for it.
The Illinois States Attorneys tried to coerce Mike into accepting the offer. Appalled, Mike said he wanted this to be a felony. The state told Mike that it was not worth pursuing felony damage against Grodner because they don’t have the time. In addition, the state prosecutors told him that he would never it ‘would be difficult to recover the damages’ from Grodner because he is a lawyer.
Instead, the State asked Mike if he would accept probation for Grodner. Mike accepted, probation was offered to Grodner, and Grodner declined the offer, saying within ear shot of Mike, “I’m not going to make it easy on this kid”. Mike’s next court date is tomorrow, Monday, December 31st, to pursue misdemeanor charges against Grodner.
Mike’s leave is over on January 2nd when he reports to Camp Pendleton before heading to Iraq.
Jay Grodner knows this and is going to file for a continuance until Mike is gone and cannot appear in court.”
We are the Left, we are proud unAmericans.
Physicist Dr. Gerhard Gerlich, of the Institute of Mathematical Physics at the Technical University Carolo-Wilhelmina in Braunschweig in Germany, and Dr. Ralf D. Tscheuschner co-authored a July 7, 2007 paper titled “Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within the Frame of Physics.”
The abstract of the paper reads in part, “(a) there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects; (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature of a planet; (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C is a meaningless number calculated wrongly; (d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately; (e) the assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical; (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified.” Gerlich and Tscheuschner’s study concluded, “The horror visions of a risen sea level, melting pole caps and developing deserts in North America and in Europe are fictitious falsification of the consequences of fictitious physical mechanisms, as they cannot be seen even in the climate model computations. The emergence of hurricanes and tornados cannot be predicted by climate models, because all of these deviations are ruled out. The main strategy of modern CO2-greenhouse gas defenders seems to hide themselves behind more and more pseudo explanations, which are not part of the academic education or even of the physics training.”
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Falsificaion_of_CO2.pdf
Scumbag,
So, since Grodner is a Democrat, all Democrats are guilty of his crime.
Fine. Since Jack Abramoff is a Republican, all Republicans are guilty of Jack Abramoff’s crime.
And what about the black man who was dragged to death in Jasper, Texas? Since they were Texans, does that make George W. Bush guilty of a racially motivated murder?
You’re an idiot.
Freedom of speech and the right to protest what America is all about. If you don’t like it, then move to Iran.
Posted by: Mary Caruso | January 02, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Jeez Mary, did we get up in a bad mood or something? You’re getting hateful in your old age.
I stated an opinion; my right to free speech. Don’t like it? Ignore it.
Physicist Dr. Gerhard Gerlich, of the Institute of Mathematical Physics at the Technical University Carolo-Wilhelmina in Braunschweig in Germany, and Dr. Ralf D. Tscheuschner co-authored a July 7, 2007 paper titled “Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within the Frame of Physics.”
The abstract of the paper reads in part, “(a) there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects; (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature of a planet; (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C is a meaningless number calculated wrongly; (d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately; (e) the assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical; (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified.” Gerlich and Tscheuschner’s study concluded, “The horror visions of a risen sea level, melting pole caps and developing deserts in North America and in Europe are fictitious falsification of the consequences of fictitious physical mechanisms, as they cannot be seen even in the climate model computations. The emergence of hurricanes and tornados cannot be predicted by climate models, because all of these deviations are ruled out. The main strategy of modern CO2-greenhouse gas defenders seems to hide themselves behind more and more pseudo explanations, which are not part of the academic education or even of the physics training.”
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Falsificaion_of_CO2.pdf
Hank,
You’re starting to sound like a conservative version of Cosmos.
Tom
“And what about the black man who was dragged to death in Jasper, Texas? Since they were Texans, does that make George W. Bush guilty of a racially motivated murder?”
There have been more than a couple on the left who’ve tried to make that exact case.
XXX, why would you critize the very freedom you’re willing to send our kids to die for?
It makes no sense to me…Americans have a right to peaceful dissent, and I’d love to have sat next to her at the parade holding a sign also, because I agree that Bush is the most incompetent president we’ve ever had.
Reposted from the previous thread.
Hank’s first expert: “Physicist Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu, the former director of both University of Alaska Fairbanks’ Geophysical Institute and International Arctic Research Center who has twice been named in “1000 Most Cited Scientists,” released a scientific study of the Arctic on March 2007 that concluded the recent warming was likely ‘natural’ and not manmade.”
Hank’s second experts:
“Physicist Dr. Gerhard Gerlich, of the Institute of Mathematical Physics at the Technical University Carolo-Wilhelmina in Braunschweig in Germany, and Dr. Ralf D. Tscheuschner co-authored a July 7, 2007 paper titled “Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within the Frame of Physics.”
The abstract of the paper reads in part, “(a) there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects; (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature of a planet; (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C is a meaningless number calculated wrongly; (d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately; (e) the assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical; (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified.” Gerlich and Tscheuschner’s study concluded, “The horror visions of a risen sea level, melting pole caps and developing deserts in North America and in Europe are fictitious falsification of the consequences of fictitious physical mechanisms…”
Let’s be clear here.
One says global warming is not man made, the others say that you can’t even say that global warming is occuring, and that those who try to claim that it is and CO2 emissions are the cause are promoting a fictitious cause for a fictitious effect. Those who argue for global warming, much less a human cause, are simply dismissed as “pseudoscientists”. Now, I am not saying that this contradiction necessarily discredits one or the other, except that it is clear that both a) contradict the IPCC report and b) don’t agree with one another. What this speaks to is the selection criteria for “experts” used by the Senate minority report spearheaded by Inhofe. The criteria was simply that the experts they would find oppose the emerging consensus on global warming. The nature of their opposition was entirely unimportant with regards to their selection. As long as they oppose either global warming, the idea that humans cause global warming, or even that we should “do something” about global warming, they were qualified to be on Inhofe’s list.
Like I said about that jackass Inhofe earlier: The process is, come to a conclusion, THEN look for people who support it. Exactly the opposite approach to the actual scientific method of developing hypotheses based on observation, then testing them.
Cosmos is not the nitwit here.
Mary
Maybe you and Cindy need to move down to Venezuela with her buddy Hugo. See how your rights to free speech work out down there.
She’s a loon. You admire her?
“Hank,
You’re starting to sound like a conservative version of Cosmos.”
Uhm, no. He’s not.
Heckler,
I’m betting you have nothing to back that up. And if you did, so what? They’d be as much idiots as the “Scumbag” sock-puppet.
A crime is a crime, and “they do it too!” is not a justification. And in this country, it’s only the perpetrator who is guilty. We don’t have guilt-by-association; that’s reserved for totalitarian dictatorships.
I admire her tenacity..and I agree with her opinion on Bush.
I actaully took a trip to Venezuela about 6 months ago…it’s a nice place. I wouldn’t mind living there or anywhere in South or Central America. Honduras is my favorite.
You’d be surprized how free peole really are in those countries, no stop lights, no helment laws, no speed limits, free health care, little or no taxes, and you can ride in the bed of a truck along with your 12 kids and not worry about getting a ticket. I love it there.
Sorry, I’m really spelling challenged this morning..I probably need to go clean my house or do something more productive than play on the computer.
I’m gong back to Roatan in July to swim with the whale sharks.
XXX, why would you critize the very freedom you’re willing to send our kids to die for?
Posted by: Mary Caruso | January 02, 2008 at 10:05 AM
1. Mary, show me where I’ve ever criticized freedom of speech. I’m just criticizing Cindy Sheehan for being a dingbat. Sheehan is a publicity-seeker and nothing more.
2. I’ve never supported sending our kids to die for anything. Please get your facts straight.
TICKLE ME ELMO
There is a factory in Northern Minnesota which makes the Tickle Me Elmo toys.
The toy laughs when you tickle it under the arms.
Well, Lena is hired at The Tickle Me Elmo factory and she reports for her first day promptly at 8:00 AM.
The next day at 8:45 AM there is a knock at the Personnel Manager’s door.
The Foreman throws open the door and begins to rant about the new employee. He complains that she is incredibly slow and the whole line is backing up, putting the entire production line behind schedule.
The Personnel Manager decides he should see this for himself, so the two men march down to the factory floor.
When they get there the line is so backed up that there are Tickle Me Elmos all over the factory floor and they’re really beginning to pile up.
At the end of the line stands Lena surrounded by mountains of Tickle Me Elmos.
She has a roll of plush red fabric and a huge bag of small marbles.
The two me n watch in amazement as she cuts a little piece of fabric, wraps it around two marbles and begins to carefully sew the little package between Elmo’s legs.
The Personnel Manager burst s into laughter.
After several minutes of hysterics he pulls himself together and approaches Lena .
‘I’m sorry,’ he says to her, barely able to keep a straight face,
“but I think you misunderstood the instructions I gave you yesterday…’
‘Your job is to give Elmo two test tickles.
badda bing
XXX, sorry if I misjudged you..I thought you might be one of those flag waving arm chair warriors. Please accept my apology.
I’d probably be a little crazy too, if I lost my son in this stupid, worthless war.
Mary,
I’m as anti-war as it gets and Sheehan has my deepest sympathy for her loss. And while I’m not a Democrat, I DETEST Bush and his administration, the only reason I may sound liberal. But IMHO, Sheehan has moved past her 15 minutes of fame (the protests in Crawford) out to the radical fringe. I have no use for radicals on either end of the political spectrum.
Cindy Sheehan isn’t doing the Democratic cause any favors and in fact, may be hurting the effort. She gives conservatives one more opportunity to point out a wild-eyed crazy on the left.
She gives conservatives one more opportunity to point out a wild-eyed crazy on the left.
Posted by: XXX | January 02, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Funny, about the only time I think about her lately is when you point her out!
I’m gong back to Roatan in July to swim with the whale sharks
I’ve been there too, Mary, but not with Whale sharks. Roatan is fine, but San Pedro Sula? What did you think of that?
Tom:
While I don’t have the time or inclination to go hunt down the exact quotes, I’ll second Hank that just that sort of guilt by association is common among some on the left.
A relatively common poster here (though not so much recently) made tarring all Christians with Phelps her stock in trade.
It’s idiotic, true enough. But it’s done.
But I will agree with you on one thing Mary. Americans don’t really have a concept of what freedom is. Still, after visiting central america for a month or two, I’m always glad to be back. Maybe freedom is order, too?
Americans don’t really have a concept of what freedom is.
Posted by: Door King | January 02, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Aint that the truth Door King? There’s a lot of concepts Americans miss till they have opportunity to travel outside of the country. If you really want an eye-opening experience, travel in Asia. It’s like going to another planet.
Most Americans don’t realize how hard freedom is to win, and how easy it is to lose.
Funny, about the only time I think about her lately is when you point her out!
Posted by: Hank Price | January 02, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Hank,
I try not to think about her either, but she keeps popping up under “Weird News”.
Door, I’ll admit I kiss the ground everytime I come home. There are SO many things we take for granted in this country! Most Americans have no idea how lucky we are to be living in the good ‘ole USA.
I’ve never been to San Pedro Sula, I realize there is a lot of poverty in these countries..but the one thing I do notice is how strong the families and communites are, and people seem much less stressed and generally happier.
The last time I was in Honduras I was lucky enough to swim with an adolescent whale shark..about 45 feet long. I’m hoping to have the same opportunity again in July.
Scumbag,
So, since Grodner is a Democrat, all Democrats are guilty of his crime.
Fine. Since Jack Abramoff is a Republican, all Republicans are guilty of Jack Abramoff’s crime.
And what about the black man who was dragged to death in Jasper, Texas? Since they were Texans, does that make George W. Bush guilty of a racially motivated murder?
You’re an idiot.
Posted by: Tom | January 02, 2008 at 09:37 AM
Thanks,
I knew a fellow Lib apologist and excuse maker would follow on with a comment. It is nice to know that I’m not alone in the Lib Scumbag world. Keep up the good work in making us Libs look like the total jerks that we are by making asinine comments, making irrelevant comments and generally talking, walking and squawking like human jerk offs.
Well! I see nothing has changed here on the WE blog.
Still cruising Texas with my fork in hand. Yesterday was the traditional ham/black eyed peas/cabbage/cornbread celebration. heheheh. The only thing better for a hangover is menudo. But I passed on it.
On the menu today? Maria’s Tacos, an Austin icon, complete with top shelf margaritas. And plenty of beautiful senioritas. I think my favorite sushi place is the only one I havent hit. Yet.
I love reading the paper here in the morning at the coffee shops. Two letters to the editor over the weekend about the evils of corn ethanol. A letter about light pollution and being unable to see the stars in the Davis Mountains. More letters about the evils of coal fired power plants.
What a town.
Friday night will be Lady Longhorn game night, with nachos at Schultz’s Beer Garden before, and drinks at the Fast Break Club after.
I may never come home…. slipping OFF the ruby slippers right now!
Well! I see nothing has changed here on the WE blog.
Still cruising Texas with my fork in hand. Yesterday was the traditional ham/black eyed peas/cabbage/cornbread celebration. heheheh. The only thing better for a hangover is menudo. But I passed on it.
On the menu today? Maria’s Tacos, an Austin icon, complete with top shelf margaritas. And plenty of beautiful senioritas. I think my favorite sushi place is the only one I havent hit. Yet.
I love reading the paper here in the morning at the coffee shops. Two letters to the editor over the weekend about the evils of corn ethanol. A letter about light pollution and being unable to see the stars in the Davis Mountains. More letters about the evils of coal fired power plants.
What a town.
Friday night will be Lady Longhorn game night, with nachos at Schultz’s Beer Garden before, and drinks at the Fast Break Club after.
I may never come home…. slipping OFF the ruby slippers right now!
Oops, sorry for the double post. I see that TRUELY nothing has changed here.
Enjoy Farmie. Texas…. a great state of mind…
“Hank,
You’re starting to sound like a conservative version of Cosmos.”
Posted by: XXX | January 02, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Well, Hank IS copy/pasting from a list compiled by Marc Morano.
Morano is currently Sen. Inhofe’s (R-Exxon) pet weasel — and was earlier a right-wing journalist, and Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Man in Washington’.
Hank is trying to prove that he (Hank) is a 100%, blue-flaming “nitwit”, because he can’t understand what Morano’s list contains.
http://www.desmogblog.com/400-prominent-scientists-dispute-global-warming-bunk
“Morano’s list of “over 400″ alleged climate quibblers includes the usual deniers for hire Fred Singer, Tim Ball, Christoper Monckton, PR people who have no credibility on issues scientific and who each have a handsome record of saying things widely and demonstrably at variance with the truth.
There is also a group of second-order “scientists,” who are not scientists at all.
…
Finally, Morano includes a group of legitimate scientists who are not deniers at all, but who are often quoted out of context.”
BTW: I get my “list” from the IPCC, and other non-political sources.
“I get my “list” from the IPCC, andother non-political sources.”
Cosmos – I’ve not gotten into this debate, and I’ll not now. But it is the height of niavete to refer to the IPCC as “non-political.”
It’s the economy stupid!
Will crude oil break $100 a barrel today?
Will the dow fall below 13000 today?
Will the S&P hold at 1450?
When will inflation break the 10% level?
GMC70,
The IPCC does not do the research. They merely compile the published work done by credible, published scientists worldwide.
For example, read about the authors in the annex at,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
“Cosmos – I’ve not gotten into this debate, and I’ll not now. But it is the height of niavete to refer to the IPCC as ‘non-political.’”
Please back up your contention, counselor. Keep in mind if the conclusions are drawn from an analysis of research are then politicized, then defending said conclusions becomes political.
Dear Hank,
Your hero, Dr. Gerlich, has been at it for at least a dozen years — but everyone seems to ignore his “fiction” claims. Why is that?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Gerhard_Gerlich
“[Gerlich] ended his speech … (The physical fundamentals of the greenhouse effect and fictitious greenhouse effects) in November 1995 with the statement that the CO2-greenhouse effect of the earth atmosphere is pure fiction of people who like to use big computers, without physical fundamentals.”
They did not have “big computers” in the 1800’s.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
“1824
Joseph Fourier calculates that the Earth would be far colder if it lacked an atmosphere.
1859
Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of the gases could bring climate change.
1896
Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2.”
Oil prices don’t work and supply and demand, they work on market speculation. I wonder what the real cost of oil actually is.
“I knew a fellow Lib apologist and excuse maker would follow on with a comment. It is nice to know that I’m not alone in the Lib Scumbag world.”
Re: liberal_scumbag, DNFTIT
Isnt THIS an interesting development regarding coal fired power and Sunflower Electric?
http://www.hdnews.net/Story/mocoal010208
“the balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global climate.”
1996 Scientific Assessment Report, IPCC
Imploring industrialized nations to cut back on GHG emissions based on mere suggestions from the nebulous “balance of evidence” smacks of politics.
“Imploring industrialized nations to cut back on GHG emissions based on mere suggestions from the nebulous “balance of evidence” smacks of politics.”
Therefore, any suggestion regarding any sort of public policy becomes “politics”. There are things that are necessarily political, such as any sort of public policy effort, and there is politics. However, it is the height of shallowness to equate all things that are “political” as the same thing.
By the way, rfl, your comment suggests a lack of familiarity of the caution typically used in scientific language.
Scientifically, a comment like;
“the balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global climate.”
is actually strongly worded, and the evidence since 1996, according to the IPCC, has grown enormously.
“The IPCC does not do the research. They merely compile the published work done by credible, published scientists worldwide.”
Exactly.
One just has to pick one’s credible, published scientists to get the result one wants, and portray the “credible published scientists” chosen as unbiased (if there is such a thing) and attacking as ‘agenda-driven’ those who dare to disagree with established orthodoxy.
We’ve seen this before.
I’ve said before, Cosmos, I don’t really want to get into this issue. But let’s not pretend that this isn’t as much political as “science.” On both sides.
Doug:
Market speculation IS “supply and demand,” Doug.
The “real” cost of oil, to consumers, is whatever the market says it is. Sellers charge what the market will bear, as would you, if you had a product in similar demand and limited supply.
That is an entirely different thing than the marginal cost of production of oil, which is what I presume you mean. I’ve heard various estimates of that, which range from a less than a dollar a barrel, to perhaps $10-$15 a barrel, at least for Saudi oil. I’ll let someone with more expertise than I go into that if they like. Oil from other fields is considerably more expensive, of course.
Conclusive evidence for manmade GW is just as elusive today as it was back in 1996 when the the Greenhouse Gas Theory was first seriously proposed.
That fact that anyone who proposes a scientific alternative to GW besides the man made theory is brought under a character assassination by the likes of Cosmos also smacks of politics.
If their explanations where wrong, Cosmos should take the time to explain how they do not add up to science. Instead labels anyone who does not agree with the IPCC as non-credible, non-scientific, and frankly not his type of guy.
The lack of science in each of his feeble attempts to nullify the conclusions of the opposition viewpoint only serves to undermine his own scientific credibility.
GMC,
The oil-field workers in Saudi Arabia aren’t Saudis, for the most part. They’re cheap foreign labor brought in from far less wealthy nations.
Sound familiar?
According to news reports the cost of oil went up because of fears that supplies will be restricted in Nigeria due to fighting in that country. It didn’t say because supplies have been restricted. So the supply really hasn’t changed. Oil prices also went up back when Bush was threatening Iran. Iran never cut back production but prices went up (making Iran quite happy).
Speculation has as much to with supply and demand as betting on football games changes the outcome.
“One just has to pick one’s credible, published scientists to get the result one wants,..”
Posted by GMC70
GMC70, how do you “pick” from one side, when ALL of the published climate scientists agree that humans are causing GW?
Read Naomi Oreskes paper, etc.
‘Climate MYTHS: Many leading scientists question climate change’
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11654
Is the IPCC supposed to include some non-peer reviewed “opinions”, that are not supported by observations, and have errors?
Should we destroy the methodology of science, simply because some people don’t like the consensus re AGW?
Did Obama ever clarify his statement? Does Obama think he is God?
“We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/08/obama.faith/index.html
“Exactly.
“One just has to pick one’s credible, published scientists to get the result one wants, and portray the “credible published scientists” chosen as unbiased (if there is such a thing) and attacking as ‘agenda-driven’ those who dare to disagree with established orthodoxy.”
Argument by insinuation, counselor. Please provide evidence that this hypothetical “handpicking” of studies by the IPCC occured. In other words, please back up your bullsh*t claim.
“We’ve seen this before.
I’ve said before, Cosmos, I don’t really want to get into this issue. But let’s not pretend that this isn’t as much political as ’science’. On both sides.”
1) What are the hypothetical motivations of the IPCC?
2) How did the IPCC become politicized to one “side” of this debate? Keep in mind that pressure was put on the IPCC to water down their last report, and that pressure came from member nations within the UN itself.
3) I submit that your very claim of “both sides” is bogus. There is the “side” that doesn’t like the results the IPCC reached, but I don’t see a “side” that, contrary to popular belief among some conservatives, that would be motivated to shape the results of the meta-analysis. There are knee jerk green wackos (the type lampooned by Dihydrogen Oxide petitions scams), but they hardly have the influence of governments who wish to continue their economic development as if nothing was happening.
We have a leading Presidential candidate talking about his Kingdom and no one is concerned about separation of church and state?
We must be a Christian nation. Or maybe Obama will make this a Muslim nation.
Obama and Clinton are campaigning in Churches all over America, in this Christian Nation.
Only during elections though, do you see the Democrats bellying up to the bar of religion.
Hypocrites.
GMC70,
If the IPCC is so political as you say, why does Marc Morano’s list of “400″ include so many claims re being an UN IPCC expert reviewer?
It seems to be (falsely) touted as a “badge” of scientific credibility.
But the only qualification needed to become an IPCC “reviewer” is to ask for a copy of the draft report(s).
Obama is a Christian, why would he want to make America into a Muslim nation?
What If a Republican Called, Like Obama, for God’s ‘Kingdom on Earth’?
By Mark Finkelstein | October 8, 2007 – 08:20 ET
“This is Anne Jones, reporting live from the headquarters of the ACLU, where the organization has issued a ‘DEFCON 1 Threat-to-the-Constitution Alert’ in the wake of a Republican presidential candidate’s call for the creation of God’s ‘kingdom on earth.’ We’re speaking with ACLU representative Amanda Rogers. Ms. Rogers, now that a Republican candidate has brought the wall that separates church and state crashing to the ground, can our constitutional system be saved?”
“Anne, I’m afraid the answer is a resounding ‘no,’ at least, not if someone who thinks like this, and who sadly reflects the thinking of his entire party, is elected president. Fortunately, there are candidates from another party who respect the constitutionally decreed separaration of church and state.”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/10/08/what-if-republican-obama-called-gods-kingdom-earth
Of course, Barack Hussein Obama must be a Christian.
Many people assume the name “Barack Hussein Obama” to be that of purely African origin, and indeed the name “Obama” is just that — however his first name came directly from the Holy Qur’an, where the word “Barack” means “blessed”. It is without much doubt that everyone on earth now realizes that “Hussein” is a Muslim name, one which originated from Hussein bin Ali, who was the Sharif of Mecca, Emir of Mecca, King of Hejaz, and Caliph of all Muslims.
“That fact that anyone who proposes a scientific alternative to GW besides the man made theory is brought under a character assassination by the likes of Cosmos also smacks of politics.”
“Character assassination”. You have been drinking from Kansas’ troll flavored Kool-Aid. It is not character assassination to point out the political affiliations of a global warming skeptic.
“If their explanations where wrong, Cosmos should take the time to explain how they do not add up to science.”
Actually, he has. You just don’t like the explanation.
“Instead (he) labels anyone who does not agree with the IPCC as non-credible, non-scientific, and frankly not his type of guy.”
And it is apparent that you don’t understand. The IPCC results were based on a meta-analysis of a huge amount of research. This reseach was conducted by scientists from a variety of countries, and one would presume, political and philosophical affiliations. The global warming skeptics, on the other hand, tend to communicate their messages through political think tanks and organizations that have prior political and philosophical positions that are predictive of their responses to the idea of human generated global warming. Cosmos’ so called “character assassination” consists primarily of pointing out those connections.
Is that felon Sandy Berger still working for Clinton?
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/15/170936.shtml
Sandy Berger, who served as Mr. Clinton’s national security adviser and who continues to advise Mrs. Clinton, pleaded guilty in April to the theft and destruction of top secret documents related to the 9/11 Commission investigation. Because of the political sensitivity of Berger’s crime, he was let off with a $10,000 fine and a three-year suspension of his security clearance.
As recently as February, Berger was advising Mrs. Clinton, with the New York Times revealing that he helped her prepare an address to a national security conference in Germany.
“Of course, Barack Hussein Obama must be a Christian.”
He says he is, and he attends a UCC church.
“Many people assume the name “Barack Hussein Obama” to be that of purely African origin, and indeed the name ‘Obama’ is just that — however his first name came directly from the Holy Qur’an, where the word ‘Barack’ means ‘blessed’. It is without much doubt that everyone on earth now realizes that ‘Hussein’ is a Muslim name, one which originated from Hussein bin Ali, who was the Sharif of Mecca, Emir of Mecca, King of Hejaz, and Caliph of all Muslims.”
And of course, names are destiny.
What is your point, oh “just the facts”?
Lying by omission, by using “just the facts”?
BTW, I have been less than thrilled with Obama’s outreach towards people of faith, not because he is reaching out to them, but because in the way he is doing so he had implied a “back of the hand” swipe to people who do not have such faith. I would be the first to say that such a balance might be difficult to maintain, but it should be done.
Good night, and God bless!
Whatever you think or whoever you think God is or isn’t!
Let’s keep on praising together, so we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.
My point is that Barack Hussein Obama should be America’s first King!
That’s exactly what we need to Bring America Together!
STAND FOR CHANGE!
OUR MOMENT IS NOW!
TIS THE SEASON FOR CHANGE!
GOT HOPE?
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!
FRESH INSPIRING AND CLEAN!
NEW!
NEW AND IMPROVED!
MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
“I’M GONNA DO SOMETHING!”
“WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO!”
“OBAMA CARES!”
“We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
Re: Just the Facts.
DNFTT
Ksagnostic, you need to blow your nose.
Or learn how to spell.
Most Americans happy, regardless of the how the news wants to play it. (If you believe in polls)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/103483/Most-Americans-Very-Satisfied-Their-Personal-Lives.aspx
Re: Blog Monitor
DNFTT
A relatively common poster here (though not so much recently) made tarring all Christians with Phelps her stock in trade.
It’s idiotic, true enough. But it’s done.
Posted by: GMC70 | January 02, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Actually, GMC, I thought you’d defend the guy because he was a fellow LAWYER.
Phelps is a lawyer too . . . interesting . . .
Capn:
Is there a point somewhere there?
Just the top of your head . . .
Truth is stranger than comedy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080103/ap_on_re_us/hospital_shooting
LAUREL, Md. – An inmate who escaped from a hospital Wednesday, briefly taking a worker hostage and stealing two getaway cars, was cornered hours later in a cemetery by police and killed in a shootout, authorities said.
Part DOS,
Warning scary picture in link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080103/ap_on_re_us/beauty_queen_indicted
TUCSON, Ariz. – A law school student and former beauty queen who has posed for a racy calendar while brandishing a weapon has been accused of kidnapping, biting and threatening a former boyfriend with a handgun.
Part Trey
http://www.kansas.com/520/story/269752.html
Attorney installs shark tank in office
Kev should enjoy this one.
US Senate candidate camps out on tower
http://www.kansas.com/520/story/269159.html
“1896
Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2.”
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The same Arrhenius who also stated that free H+ atoms were in acidic solutions (which was later proved to be WRONG).
The problem, cosmos, is so much of the “proof” is based upon calculations instead of direct measurements…
It should be simple enough to prove if global warming really exists, cosmos…and here’s how.
Place a weather ballon at 1000 feet and 500 miles apart, starting 0 latitude and 0 longitude. Equip each with a thermometer and the tools to read relative humidity and CO2 level, and a radio transmitter to continuously send data to a website, accessible to everyone with internet access. From this data, the average temperature for the entire planet could be seen, as well as each individual location. By spreading the balloons in this manner, it would be a true representation of the temperature and CO2 and water vapor levels (since I remember that one of the criticisms of the existing computer models is that they don’t calculate the effect of water vapor on warming). For that matter, using the proper sensors, there could be readouts for methane and other greenhouse gases. I would think that if there truly is a warming trend (and especially if it’s accelerating as some claim) that it would show up in a fairly short time…perhaps even as soon as 6 months. By placing all of this data on an open website, any critics should be silenced, since it’s right there for everyone to see.
What do you say to that, cosmos? After all, it would be direct proof of global warming…