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You Wanted Change In Washington – Don’t think the Dem Congress has done any thing — think again:

Here’s the story. Nancy Pelosi can’t get jack done. You know, they can’t get anything done, they can’t stop the war, they can’t, you know, turn the economy around, they can’t do anything. So what they’ve decided to do is they’re coming back and Nancy Pelosi has changed the cafeteria. She has replaced processed cheese with Brie, Jell-O has now been replaced with raspberry kiwi tarts and mini lemon blueberry truffles. Meatloaf, because it’s unhealthy, has been replaced with Mahi-mahi, and buns have been traded in for baguettes. They now don’t have deli counters, they now have grills in the capitol and I think this is great. I mean, I think this is what everybody was looking for congress to do: Eat more healthy. She’s also banned all smoking, she’s taken any kind of plastic straws and replaced them with paper straws because they are more environmentally friendly. So she’s greened out the capitol. And I don’t know about you but when I thought I want change in Washington, that is the specific kind of change I was looking for. At the same time they’re talking about a, you know, spending package and, you know, the whole Bush deficit and we’ve got to get rid of these deficits and they are making the deficits even bigger and now they’re talking about an economic stimulus package. But don’t worry about paying for it. But they’ve replaced the straws in congress.

Source: Glenn Beck

See they’re earning the raise …………..

http://www.kansas.com/news/story/283766.html

It’s encouraging to see fewer women choosing abortion.

Shall we play a game and see how many of these we can find today?

ere is the list of “7 Propaganda Devices”
1. Name Calling
2. Glittering Generalities
3. Transfer
4. Testimonial
5. Plain Folks
6. Card Stacking
7. Band Wagon
This are brief definitions:
Name Calling gives a person or idea a bad label to make the audience reject them without examining the evidence.
Glittering Generality captures the use of virtue words that make the audience accept an idea or person without examining the evidence.
Transfer involves using prestige or authority of one idea or person and transferring that to another to make it acceptable or add stature to it.
Testimonial involves a respected (or disrespected) person endorsing or rejecting an idea or person.
Plain Folks occurs when the host presented himself, another person, an institution, or idea as one of the people. In this way a person is presented as part of common folk, not elites.
Card Stacking constitutes the selective use of facts, half-truths, and or lies to convince the audience to accept or reject an idea or person.
Bandwagon suggests that because everybody approves or disapproves of an idea or person, the audience should hold the same opinion.

Do women get the virgins too? Do they even want the virgins if they do?

Mary

… inspired a memory of going downtown (Chicago) over the Xmas holidays with Mom as a kid. There was a big Woolworths at State and Madison, it was a treat to go to the lunch counter (old days, round stools that spun 360+ and the real cheap china) for a grilled cheese and a fountain made cherry or vanilla cook — with the paper straws in that little cylinder you had to spin to get one —-

wonder how many bruised shins from the kids spinning on the stools and kicking passersby —

To those of us who have been threatened by James McClure’s “lawsuit”–

We all know of course that
1. he has no grounds
2. if he had grounds, he wouldn’t follow through with it
3. if he followed through with it, he would lose.

But just to expand on point 3 a little further, JM said it himself last night: “You have no way of knowing who posts what.”

Indeed, that is the problem for someone attempting to prove anything legally, is it not?

The very same system which allows posting without registration–the system that JM vociferously defends because it makes it easier for him to pretend to be what he’s not–also makes it impossible to legally ascribe any post to any one person.

His threat of lawsuit would be next to impossible to enforce unless law enforcement agencies were tracking posts while you were on-line posting them.

So, thanks, JM for pointing out why your threat of a lawsuit is just another of your empty delusions.

Computer modeler Dr. Donald DuBois, who holds a PhD in Philosophy of Science, has spent most of his career modeling computer networks for NASA’s International Space Station, GE Space Systems, the Air Force, and the Navy.

DuBois is very skeptical of climate computer models predicting doom. “I know something about how misleading models can be, and the fact that their underlying assumptions can completely predetermine the results of the model. If the major climate models that are having a major impact on public policy were documented and put in the public domain, other qualified professionals around the world would be interested in looking into the validity of these models,” DuBois wrote to EPW on May 17, 2007. “Right now, climate science is a black box that is highly questionable with unstated assumptions and model inputs. It is especially urgent that these models come out in the open considering how much climate change legislation could cost the United States and the world economies. Ross McKitrick’s difficulty in getting the information from [Michael] Mann on his famous ‘hockey stick’ [temperature] curve is a case in point which should be a scandal not worth repeating. The cost of documenting the models and making them available would be a trifle; the cost of not doing so could be astronomical,” DuBois wrote. “I headed up a project to model computer networks (to see how they will perform before they are built) for NASA’s International Space Station (including the ground stations around the globe). If I had suggested a $250 million network for the ISS and said that I was basing this recommendation on my modeling but the models were not available for inspection, I would have been laughed out of the auditorium in Houston.”

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hw36mXsH7fbogLzqW06NU31aQAmgD8U75UU83

WASHINGTON (AP) — A former congressman and delegate to the United Nations was indicted Wednesday as part of a terrorist fundraising ring that allegedly sent more than $130,000 to an al-Qaida and Taliban supporter who has threatened U.S. and international troops in Afghanistan.

The former Republican congressman from Michigan, Mark Deli Siljander, was charged with money laundering, conspiracy and obstructing justice for allegedly lying about lobbying senators on behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists.

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RepubliCONs . . . the ones who are going to “keep us safe from terrorists” except when G WMD Bush isn’t slobbering all over some Saudi aristocrat . . .

Please to be giving your plaque Mr. Price.

“RepubliCONs . . . the ones who are going to “keep us safe from terrorists” except when G WMD Bush isn’t slobbering all over some Saudi aristocrat .”

Which propaganda devise is this?

rfl
Posted January 16, 2008 at 1:04 pm | \l “comment-275095?
“That uterus is attached to someone who owns it.”
so what?
A patient who is on a ventilator is attached to a machine owned by the hospital. Does that mean that the hospital has all rights over that patients life?

Bad analogy there, as in fact yes the hospital does have the rights over that patients life.
The court will always side with the judgment of the professionals as to the best interests of the patients.
Regardless of the family and friends wishes or desires, though all will be considered it is the judgment of the “Hospital” that will be the deciding factor in a non-bias, unemotional, determining of the outcome of the patient.

-Writerdog

Writerdog,
Please answer this for me.

1. Under what medical prognosis would the hospital who owns the equipment that is keeping a patient alive decide it has the legal right to “pull the plug”?

Answer: Terminally Ill

(For you information, Non-terminally ill patients go on ventilators too. In those instances, the hospital has no legal right to remove care when there is a reasonable chance of recovery)

2. What is the prognosis for the typical unborn child in the uterus owned by its mother?

Answer: Healthy and ready for life.

In conclusion:

3. Does the hospital really have the same power over patients as a mother has over her child as you have claimed in your post from yesterday?

The answer to number 3 is clearly NO. A pregnant female is the only person or entity in this country who can decide to end the life of a healthy human being. This is true regardless of who “owns” the life giving equipment that is keeping that person alive.

rtl?

Next thread about national health care and the repeal of welfare “reform”? I expect to see your nic prominently posting how pro life you REALLY are.

Well capn

More and more people of faith are coming to embrace being good stewards of the Earth. SO, I’m not prepared to think defensiveness as to faith motivates global warming deniers.

I’ll default til better informed that it is strictly a wallet thing.

Heh, TDT–

Great minds think alike . . .

Anyone had experience with the Samsung SCH-i760 or Voyager VX10000 phones from Verizon?

Hey looky there Hank.

You got the attaboy from the blog pariah “Regular” !

A full blown,ranting kook thinks you are spot on.

Capn – Since no one is commenting on your post, again, I’ve come to the conclusion that they (Republicans) are going to ignore it, and later, when we bring it up, they will deny, deny, deny.

No Regular, you’re wrong. This man, to me, epitomizes the Republican party. He is all about greed and illusions.

TDT,

All about greed? So how much money did he make raising funds for al-qaeda? Seems to me this boys belief system got off track. Do you have any evidence that he is anything other than a terrorist supporter (i.e. beyond being a traitor, where does the greed and illusion come in?)

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TDT
Posted January 17, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink

No Regular, you’re wrong. This man, to me, epitomizes the Republican party. He is all about greed and illusions.
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Sorry, my opinion on the matter can’t be wrong. You can disagree with it though.

If that’s what you feel about the Republican Party, that’s fine as well. Your the one that has to keep swallowing the poisonous propaganda you’re feeding yourself, not me.

Good morning J R!

You ask,

“Care to share your portfolio Mr. Price? What IS your motivation here? The high church of you, yourself and you as usual?”

Of course I’ll share my portfolio here! I have nothing to hide!

I’m somewhat amused that you would ask for my ‘portfolio’ when you know so little about cosmos! I’m pretty much an open book on this BLOG. You know my job, my wife, my address, my hobbies, my politics and my religion.

But, from the tone of your question you seem to imply that I don’t understand much about science.

I retired off the USS Batfish as the bull nuke. I was qualified top watch on over half a dozen Navy nuclear power plants. I was the senior instructor at nuclear power school.

Now, I know that to the average civilian that doesn’t mean much, but to qualify on and teach a Navy nuclear power plant you need extensive knowledge and understanding of nuclear physics, thermal dynamics, (heat transfer and fluid flow) chemistry, (primary and secondary water chemistry) electronics. Not just an extensive knowledge of the theory of these subjects but you need a thorough understanding of the practical aspects of these subjects as they pertain to taking a nuclear propulsion plant around the world submerged.

Sometimes I’m a little embarrassed about picking on cosmos like I do. What if it turns out that he is a prepubescent sixth grader crouched in his mommy’s basement as he cut and pastes his responses from the political left-wing web sites that he uses as his responses?

My motivation? I’ve made it perfectly clear. I am demonstrating there is a real debate going on concerning AGW.

What have your brought to the debate? What is your motivation?

“The high church of you, yourself and you as usual?”

Interesting. There is a religion in the debate, it’s greenie nitwits worshiping at the ‘church of envionmentalism’.

Why don’t I stir the pot a bit . . .

From the Wall Street Journal commentary page:

“Does this [Univ. of Michigan ANES study] refute the stereotype that right-wingers are “haters” while left-wingers are not? Liberals will say that the comparison is unfair, because Mr. Bush is so much worse than Mr. Clinton ever was. Yes, Mr. Clinton may have been imperfect, but Mr. Bush — whom people on the far left routinely compare to Hitler — is evil. This of course destroys the liberal stereotype even more eloquently than the data. The very essence of intolerance is to dehumanize the people with whom you disagree by asserting that they are not just wrong, but wicked.

In the end, we have to face the fact that political intolerance in America — ugly and unfortunate on either side of the political aisle — is to be found more on the left than it is on the right. This may not square with the moral vanity of progressive political stereotypes, but it’s true.”

One sentence there bears repeating:
“The very essence of intolerance is to dehumanize the people with whom you disagree by asserting that they are not just wrong, but wicked.”

Yup. The use of the “Bushitler” or “fascist” label shuts off debate, and marks the accuser as one who cannot be taken seriously.

Thanks Eagle Beak!

I needed that!

GMC70, that is spot on.

Some Positive Economic Housing News.

Not easily found in the press these days. Ya see, gloom and doom is what Democrats are praying for to get them elected in November. Now that the Iraq situation is improving, the Dems have turned to attack the Economy!

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/reuters/2008/01/16/home-loan-demand-surges-to-near-four-year-high
Home loan demand surges to near four-year high

Marines may be the best of all the services for respect, the Navy – the saltiest, the Army – well, they’re grunts – what can you expect?

Used to be a joke about the Air Force, that the enlisted men in the Air Force were the smartest of all the services – it was because they sent the officers out to do the fighting. :)

“Why don’t I stir the pot a bit . . .

“From the Wall Street Journal commentary page:

“(snip commentary)”

And of course, the Wall Street Journal, particularly with its current ownership, has always been known for its even handed editorial approach in politics. One only has to listen to right wing radio to realize what a crock of a claim that is.

From 2006. Factcheck. Note how they point out that both Republicans and Democrats mudsling, but they also point out the different, more personal nature of the mud slinging in the 2006 campaign by the Republicans.

Factcheck, unlike the Wall Street Journal, is truly non-partisan.

You are being disingenuous again, counselor.

Hillary’s gonna need to practice her twang, to get more black votes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCJ4OLPvoac&feature=related

Hey ksgrm,

McCain #1 with Fred Thompson #2.

However, I think Fred has been more consistent on his positions.

Funny, no first amendment questions, one of my biggest problems with McCain.

I think I’ll stick with Fred until Romney gets the nomination!

Interesting cosmos,

Your post seems like a very convoluted attempt at surrender!

I am impressed though, you were able to slip in four of Writerdog’s examples of propaganda in your short surrender!

Since I don’t believe that I have cited ‘Marc, Matthew’ yet as one of my 400 skeptics I will allow the record to show that cosmos has left the debate with the score 27 to nothing.

You got nothing, cosmos!

That’s good for you cosmos.

There is a quote in Al Gore’s documentary that fits Hank. I forget just now.

Something about people’s opinions being motivated by their paycheck or pocketbook.

I’m pretty sure Hank is invested heavy in fossil fuels securities. He doesn’t deny it.

That quiz? Dennis! Just like I always chose.

Max? Don’t worry about OUR nominees. Ya got your own problems. Ol’ Hickabee the Theocrat is toast. Willard? When folks better know Romney’s …unconventional religion? He’ll be done too. Americans don’t want to SELL the Presidency to a corporate raider. Fred? All or nothing on one primary for him. He’s just waiting for the credits to roll.

Hmmm who’s left? Oh yeah McCain. Heh, you can feel the love for him around here huh?

“Don’t worry about OUR nominees.”
JR

I’m not. But you should.

Bill Clinton blew his top yesterday in San Francisco. Difficult for the Clinton’s to answer a direction question sometimes.

Especially when the Union is against the Clintons in Nevada.

Maybe P Mama can educate the Clintons on diversity and improve their sensitivity.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_7985872?source%253Dmost_emailed.26978592730A3B8C7F471EACE0DA4EF2.html

For Clintons, it’s all about the Clintons
Article Last Updated: 01/16/2008 10:14:55 AM PST

THE PRESIDENTIAL candidacy of Barack Obama has been educational. It has taught us that there are those in both parties who could benefit from racial sensitivity courses.

Democrats need to sign up. They’re supposedly more enlightened on racial issues and, in fact, many of them go out of their way to portray Republicans as bigots. But thanks to how some Democrats are reacting to the Obama campaign, we’re getting a peek at how they really think. And it’s not pretty.

Poor Hank Price. He cannot even understand that “Marc, Matthew’” work for Senator Inhofe.

“Marc” = Marc Morano.

They compiled the bogus “400″ list Hank Price copy/pastes.

Thank you, Hank, for again proving my earlier point.
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And looks like WordPress has a bug — the “italics” tag terminated after a line ending with a “:”.

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/reuters/2008/01/16/home-loan-demand-surges-to-near-four-year-high

“Douglas Duncan, chief economist at the MBA, said the robust data offers a glimmer of hope for housing.”

Max – Have you ever heard the saying “don’t count your chickens before they hatch”. You act like this surge is some kind of huge turn around, when, as I’ve shown with the quote here, even in the article they are guardedly stating that this offers a “glimmer of hope”. But you go ahead and believe that the economy is just fine. Yep, nothing to see here. All those people on Wall Street, the economists, the chairman of the federal reserve, the president, your neighbor, yep, everybody else is just overreacting. No problem here, move along.

And there was that business of cutting off health care for poor children. THAT won’t help in November.

Hey Max?

I love to burst your bubble.

Guess who Daily Kos told their people in Michigan to vote for?

Willard baptize the dead Romney!

Michigan means nothing.

JR – You forget about Rudy, tested, ready, and waiting in Florida ’til 1/29 to even compete in this election.

Oh, and Max, about that surge:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080117/ts_csm/arift

A rift over U.S. troop cuts in Iraq

“But some in the Defense Department, quietly led by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, say that while the security gains in Iraq are to be carefully guarded, there is only so much the troops can do.

They also see a limit to how many forces can be sent again and again to the war, now in its fifth year.

He [Patraeus] has asked for small numbers of troops to fill gaps left by departing forces to help manage operations as the broader drawdown continues, sources say. Those requests are giving Pentagon officials pause because many forces that could go have not had adequate time at home.

“We just can’t continue to give this way,” says one senior uniformed official, who, like others in this article, asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue. “At some point, we have to refresh and retrain those forces that are cycling through,” says the official, who acknowledges the tension between Petraeus and those who provide the forces.”

So basically, it’s going well as long as we keep up the numbers, which is not sustainable.

J R,

The quote in Al Gore’s AIT was,

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it” Upton Sinclair.

But since Hank Price seems very confused about “Marc [Marano], Matthew”, he may have other problems? Reading comprehension, or…?

Regular,

The Global Warming Environmentalists should LOVE an economic turndown.

Less energy is used, meaning less pollution and CO2.

Fewer new houses are being built, meaning less destruction of prime farmland and less pollution of the land.

An opportunity to make more people dependent on Big Government.

An opportunity to see several evil corporations go broke or sold-off.

A downturn in the stock market means that all those mean nasty people are losing their money. Note: This does NOT affect poor people at all. They do NOT own stock! Remember, they have NO money to invest.

Why is this bad news to them? This is EXACTLY what they want!

“Fewer new houses are being built, meaning less destruction of prime farmland and less pollution of the land.”

Now Max.

I thought you and I were in agreement about urban sprawl.

Not ONE, not even ONE!

No defense of the Racist Clintons!

Attack Republicans.

Complain about Iraq.

Complain about the Economy.

But not ONE, single, solitary, even small, mediocre attempt to defend the Racist Clintons.

They are indefensible.

“But it’s when they’re on the defensive that the Clintons really get offensive.”

What ELSE can they do?

Anyone remember the Keating Five? Does a particular senator seem to stand out to anyone?

Wonder why that has been forgotten?

Downtrodden was supposed to be in the above. Put it where you like !!!

Max – No one is defending the Clintons regarding the race issue because it is an issue only in your head. They are not racist, they are extremely popular in the black community due to their fight for civil rights, so you can rant, rave, pull your hair out all you like, but calling the Clintons racist is like calling Bush a good president.

Sol … the name rings a bell someplace … just not sure where …

Well let’s just give YOU a little test outlander.

Do you favor government provided health care for children without insurance or do you not?

Don’t jump down my throat GMC. It is not MY problem that Willard Romney’s faith is shrouded in mystery.

I WAS a little put out to find that ancestors of mine have been baptized into that church post mortem! I have asked for unbiased look further into his faith. If the GOP is in the practice of running Theocrats, I’d like to understand what sort of religion they would write into law. Wouldn’t you?

Oh and remember, maxie is the one who repeats ossama obama and obama winfrey with regularity.

I guess when lies are all ya got…

“Do you favor [STATE] government provided health care for children without insurance or do you not?”

But of course.

Now I wasn’t alive then. But I understand Kennedy got some grief over being a Catholic when HE ran for President?

Am I right?

Well the Catholic church was a LOT better known back then than the Mormon church is now. Perhaps the Eagle should do a feature on the church of Latter Day Saints. Information can never be a bad thing.

Can it?

ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 17, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
Oh and remember, maxie is the one who repeats ossama obama and obama winfrey with regularity.

I guess when lies are all ya got…
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Find one of my posts where I said that farmbabe.

JR,

I bet Steven and Ben, both hard working professionals, invest as well.

Why don’t you give them a hard time?

It is a double standard with you liberals. If a republican invests in something then all his opinions must be biased to support that.

What about Hilary, Edwards, and all the other “rich” liberals who invest? They get a pass from you because they are liberal?

Grrl,
You got that right. The corps hedge their bets and bestow millions to each party. Win-win right? Buncha crap if you ask me.

Sting in any rebuke the truth there Nathan?

There isn’t any reason to shill for fossil fuels UNLESS you are invested in them. Developing alternatives is GOOD for the country. Oh and thanks for the shot at me. It’s telling about you.

Are you, JR, arguing that the claims that Kennedy would be a papal pulpit were justified as political rhetoric?

Democratic Leadership Council. The corporate wing of the Democratic Party

See also: sebelius

Why are you opposed to being informed GMC?

And that’s my lunch.

IF you feel the need to start breathing for someone else, and be tied to them for months just to support their life…be my guest.
-P-mama

If you hate the fact that women have to provide the life support for a developing in-utero human being, than
Don’t_Get_Pregnant.

Sorry if you feel so used and abused for bringing a child into this world. I hope that your offspring shows more gratitude to you than what appears to be the case. We honor our mothers in this culture because of the priceless service that they provide. That act of selflessness of a mother can never be repayed.

Where would any of us be without the love of our Mother?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_Loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan
“Silverado Savings and Loan collapsed in 1988, costing taxpayers $1.6 billion. Director of Silverado S&L, Neil Bush was accused of giving himself a loan from Silverado, he denied all wrongdoing.”

JR –

I’m familiar with the basic tenets of the Morman faith, though I don’t know a lot about the details. But you’re not “informing,” nor are you interested in informing. You haven’t attempted to do that, and we both know it. You’re attacking Romney by attacking his religion (and no, I’m not a Romney supporter). Even assuming Mormonism (is that the right term?) was wierd and creepy, why is that an issue?

Cut the dodge and weave, JR. Am I hitting too close to your personal bigotry?

Good grief Hank. The Clintons did not OWN Madison.

And yes, I dont mind talking about it. Silverado is at least as big a scandal.

And my point was that deregulation, under the admin of St. Ronnie Ray Gun and pushed further by the Bush crime family led to the mess. And it took money out of ALL our pocketbooks.

Hehehehe. Are you calling McCain a liberal?

“JR,
“I bet Steven and Ben, both hard working professionals, invest as well.”

I am busted. I invest in mutual funds. I do put money into a so-call ethical/principled mutual fund (but that group also invests in Tobacco – thus my term “so-called”). Investing is a way of looking out for my and my family’s interests. I don’t believe in over insuring with life insurance.

Yep,

I’m calling McCain a liberal. Let me make it clear that I also think he is corrupt. I also think that he will say or do anything to be president.

McCain vs. Obama? Don’t know, I’d have to think about it. McCain against Hillary? I’ll abstain.
McCain and Edwards? I don’t know, I don’t know which of the ‘two Americas’ I belong to1

wasn’t Bushs bother, the one that got herpies from the thai prostitue, involved in a failed SnL?

For a thorough history of the Mormon religion plus a description of the very radical fringe of that church read Jon Krakauer’s Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith.

Joseph Smith, the founder of the LDS church, had an arrest record in New England for running scams on various groups. It is not much of a leap of faith (tongue in cheek, there) to suspect that his LDS church was a furtherance of his scamming efforts.

The LDS church was the only religion to formerly declare war on the U.S.

I’ve known many Mormons and generally admire a lot about them. They do take care of their own and they have a formalized practice of saving resources.

While there is a lot to admire about the LDS church, they are definitely outside of the religous mainstream of this country.

Hank Price posted January 17, 2008 at 1:09 pm

“Whoa cosmos! Are you still floundering around trying to defend AGW against my daily cut and paste?”

No.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-117/#comment-276125

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm

JR,

Why would you be angry about a bunch of Mormon kids going to church and getting baptized in the name of the dead?

It doesn’t do anything to harm you or the dead.

I personally think it is not Biblical and doesn’t work, but your outrage seems just as dumb.

Well J R,

You have proven beyond all doubt that you are a bigot. Not only a bigot but one that is more ignorant than usual. You confess ignorance concerning the Mormon religion then you defame them based on your ignorance.

I know a lot about the Mormon religion. I think it is incredulous. However, that being said I am probably not as incredulous concerning the Mormon religion as you seem to be about the Christian religion.

I know a lot of Mormons. On the whole they are very industrious, God fearing, patriotic people with strong family values. Romney fits this definition to a Tee. As a fundamental Christian I have no problems supporting him if he gets the nomination.

As far as him being a conservative? He’s more conservative than any of the democrat nominees.

Dow 12000 here we come. There won’t be too many people laughing all the way from the mail box when they get their 401k statements. Repubs. are dead in the water, just like peoples investments have died.

Nathan posted January 17, 2008 at 1:38 pm

“My father is not talking about energy use at all. He is debunking the consensus on Global warming.”

Only in your, and his tiny, clueless, fantasies.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-117/#comment-276125

Just out of curiosity, Nathan, are you going to answer yesterday’s question about St. Paul?

Fred Thompson is the Consistent Conservative Republican candidate:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Fred_Thompson.htm

Nathan,

I agree with the philosophy that it’s a waste of time to debate with falling-down drunks, and idiots.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-117/#comment-276125

Cosmos,

Congratulations, do you want a cookie?

Feel free not to cut and paste to anymore of my fathers daily postings :)

Steven claims he is “busted” because he has mutual funds.

Look at the bright side: you only lose money when you sell at a loss.

So . . . don’t sell.

Hang on to what you’ve got. They’ll gain value again when we get another president just like they did under Clinton.

In fact, when everybody’s selling is usually the time to buy, if you’re interested in long-term earnings.

Nathan,

Feel free to continue proving that you know NOTHING about the methodology of science, and climate science.

JR –

OK – so you don’t like one aspect of Mormon practice. You still haven’t answered the basic question: WHY is that relevant to his running for President?

Your willingness – nay, eagerness – to use religion to attack a candidate for political reasons is clear. If the same was being done here to attack Hillary or Obama, you’d be screaming about the intolerance of same (and you’d be right). But your own intolerance gets a pass. You can’t see the forest for the trees, I guess.

Thing is? (like how I adopt your favorite rhetorical device? you’ve ‘made me,’ I guess ;-)) I HAVEN’T seen Republicans attacking him for his faith. They have NOT displayed the bigotry you have. Neither have the Democratic candidates (though in truth Hillary and Obama are too busy competing with each other, and Edwards is struggling not to become irrelevent).

You, however, do. Repeatedly. Endlessly. Ad nauseum.

If you wanna oppose Romney, be my guest. There’s plenty of reason to oppose him (as I said, I’m not a Romney supporter; I think he’s fake – nearly as fake as Edwards). Oppose his policies, or his positions on issues. Oppose him for his changing stands, and his pandering.

But not for his faith. It’s not relevant. Remember: in the US, we don’t have religious tests for office.

Take a step back, JR. Look at your own bigotry in this case. It’s not pretty. And let it go.

You go right on busting Hank’s chops cosmos. And good on you doing it. It’s an important service here.

Dear J R,

If Romney gets the nomination, and his opponents attack him based on his religion, can we assume that these bigots are of the democrat persuasion?

As soon as the democrats decide the winner of their current race/gender cat fight they are currently using to decide their candidate there is no doubt that they will turn their hypocritical bigotry over to Romney if he is our nominee.

We have the fossils. We win.

WS Clark,

As I have stated several times now…

The “dcotrine” that homosexuality is a sin is based on a clear Biblical theme on the Godly relationship between a man and a woman and the verses which say homosexuality is a sin.

No, I don’t think women are supposed to be silent in church. I believe what was written was specifically written for that church in which Paul was speaking to.

His statements on homosexuality are with other statements in which he is clearly making a universal statement on what is wrong.

I am not here to speak on behalf of why certain other churches may not ordain women in the priesthood. There are many reasons for that which could be discussed if you are truly interested.

JR, was that last post addressed to me?

Sorry.

I didn’t mean for you to stop arguing with them.

Nor did I mean to sound supercilious.

I’ve just come to the conclusion it’s pretty futile in terms of expecting any kind of “epiphany” on their part.

No Capn

Your pompousity was directed at GMC.

No Capn.

Bush I was defeated because he broke his promise to not raise taxes.

The Republican Congress Majority was lost, not because people loved Democrats, but because Republicans voted against those who could not control Federal Spending.

CapnAmerica,

Why do you believe in an unproven, unscientific, and untestable God?

Where is your line on where it is ok to mock me for my faith but yours is ok?

Max,

That is 2 reasons now why Bush Sr. lost in 92.

Taxes and a great 3rd party candidate.

I am sure we can come up with a few more besides the general economy one…

I’m just wondering. Let’s say that the IPCC’s consensus is dead on correct and Cosmos knows it. Since he knows for sure that CO2 emissions are warming and subsequently destroying the planent, has Cosmos ever shown us how he has dramatically reduced his own carbon emissions to a level that is significantly lower than the average person?

This would help my view of him. At this point, all we know is that he drives a 35 MPG car and has made some efficieny improvements to his house. Not exactly dramatic changes from anything anyone else is doing. I have no doubt as to what he believes. But, do his actions match his belief? I’m not accusing, but just asking.

“The “dcotrine” that homosexuality is a sin is based on a clear Biblical theme on the Godly relationship between a man and a woman and the verses which say homosexuality is a sin.”

As I posted yesterday, in Biblical times, a person with epilepsy was thought to be possessed by demons. Now we know that epilepsy is a neurological disorder. The person afflicted has not choice in the matter.

Today, medical science has determined, nearly conclusively, that there are significant congenital differences in the brains of a gay person versus a straight person.

That having been determined, it is logical to conclude that gays are born that way. Given that is true, why would humankind choose to discriminate against what is a natural born trait?

You wouldn’t discriminate against those with red hair or large noses would you?

They were born that way.

So why discriminate against gays?

And by the way, Nathan, how can you tell which admonishment in Romans specifically referred to that church and which was a universal statement? You have discredited the two major Biblical reference to homosexuality – Leviticus and Romans I.

Therefore, I fail to see why you would want to discriminate against gays.

They were born that way – give them equal rights to marry the person of their choice.

Nathan,

Tell us how a meteorologist, who “never made any claims that debunk the [AGW] “Consensus”” refutes the “consensus”.

“Willard Romney attacked me first.”

Really??!! He looked all the way over here to Wichita, picked your sorry self off an insignificant blog, and said “JR, you so-and -so!!??” I’d like to get a transcript of that conversation.

i doubt that, of course. It does demonstrate, however, that your inflated self-image knows no bounds. How do you squeeze that ego through that tiny little wire?

Moreover, Romney has proposed nothing regarding “writing [his] faith into law.” Neither has any other candidate, of either side, of course; I know of no proposal to punish any belief, or lack thereof, or require any belief or attendance in any church. That’s your bigotry talking again.

Religious bigotry isn’t pretty, JR. And you don’t wear it well.

Hank Price posted January 17, 2008 at 2:40 pm

“Good morning Capn.!”

What time zone does Hank Price live in?

And you don’t like me saying things that hurt a guy on your side GMC.

Hint: I’m not going to let that bother me.

IF I post something inaccurate? Feel free to call me on it. I will humbly correct. I’ve never been busted in a lie.

You’re right, Nathan, that belief in God is ultimately nothing more (or nothing less) than faith.

What I criticize you fundamentalists for is reading the Bible like a science book or a history book. You seem to believe that everything in the Bible must be literally true or nothing is true.

It’s like the Manichaen heresy (The most striking principle of Manichaean theology is its dualism. Mani postulated two natures that existed from the beginning: light and darkness. The realm of light lived in peace, while the realm of darkness was in constant conflict with itself.) from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

The parable of the Good Samaritan was well-known in Buddist scripture a thousand years before the New Testament was set down.

Just because it’s not an actual incident doesn’t mean that it’s false.

This overly-literal reading of The Bible forces one into a position of having to reject science.

Hank, can you repost the 4 ploys, or post a link?

I agree, I’ve not seen one direct rebuttal. Lotsa redirects and misdirects, and outright fibs though.

JR, you think people should be free to do whatever they want or should there be some limits?

Hank–

You don’t believe anything of substance anyway.

I gave up that tack with you long ago . . .

I don’t believe cosmos has been caught in any inaccuracies. Indeed he has pointed MANY out. Certainly I’ve never seen him outright lie.

I cannot say the same for all here.

Max, just like when bush 1 got beat, “It’s the Economy, Stupid!”, this time you could throw in the worst attack on our soil in history, and a couple wars for good measure.

CapnAmerica,

The only think I reject is nearly all of the theory of Evolution. I don’t reject “science.”

You and others constant attempt at saying we reject science is pure petty name calling.

I simply find it odd that someone of faith like you will mock me for my faith.

We both believe things which may or may not have proof beyond a reasonable doubt of and yet you have no problem mocking me for it while you do the same.

Do you believe that God performed ANY of the miracles that the Bible attributes to him, how about Jesus?

Did Jesus do any of the miracles the Bible says?

“How do you explain those people who are bi-sexual, transexual, or have been hederosexual or homosexual and switched to the opposite if it is genetic?”

No one that is truly homosexual has ever been converted to heterosexuality, despite the claims of Exodus.

Bi-sexual people obviously hit from both sides of the plate – born that way.

Not everything that is genetic is INHERITED. That is simply silly or ill-informed.

There is absolutely ZERO medical evidence that homosexuality is a CHOICE.

So the natural conclusion is that gays are born that way and therefore deserve equal rights.

NO GAY PERSON HAS EVER MADE THE CLAIM THAT HE OR SHE CHOSE TO BE GAY.

Would you deny equal rights to a red headed person? A person with a big nose?

Then why deny equal rights to gays and lesbians.

Figures show that approximately 4% of the population is gay, roughly the same percentage as has been observed in the animal kingdom. If even HALF (an extreme number) of them wanted to marry their partners, it would be a very small portion of the population, just three million marriages.

So why does the Christian Right get worked up about the possibility of just Three million marriages?

Let them be and let them have equal rights.

“Today, medical science has determined, nearly conclusively, that there are significant congenital differences in the brains of a gay person versus a straight person.”

WS can you give me a link to this study. I seem to have missed it.

Romney isn’t my first choice but his religion or lack of it won’t be a deciding factor when I vote for him or someone else. It looks on this blog as if the left has only one criteria. They will vote for anyone who has faith in nothing. Doesn’t sound like a good plan to me but who am I. Cap sorry I forgot to ask your permission to post here as your minions seem to do and I won’t apologize him I offend you or you think I might be aiming a comment at me.

Cosmos until you prove me wrong you are just some blogger who sits around all day cutting and pasting to blow up credible scientific studies that don’t agree with GW. I do more for GW that you do by your own confession and I don’t bye into the hype Algore puts out.

Pmom the number of abortions actually went down last year. It seems there are several people that have decided that piece of tissue in your uterous is a living and viable human being.

I hope that caught me up. Oh wait WS read the book Of Corinthians both 1 & 2. That might enlighten you on what the bible really says. As for your assertions about Paul which you seem to have made out of wholecloth. Most theologians agree that he had some kind of wasting disease, known in days past as consumption, probably brought about by being imprisioned for years in a dark dank prision cellar. They also don’t think that he was gay just dedicated to his belief in Jesus Christ. You see he had led a despicable life before salvation and felt a lifelong need to make up for that.

Oh and finally the fall of the dot.com stocks came from March, 2000 to the last of Clintons term. If you want to see who besides the Enrons of the world were crooked follow Terry McAullife, Hillary’s main advisor. This was what led the NASDAQ down and it hasn’t recovered yet.

http://www.happinessonline.org/InfectiousGreed/p18.htm

WS Clark,

Well, I guess if you are going to simply reduce things down to who is a “true” homosexual and who is not based on if they never changed their minds…

LOL

When you change the qualifications to include only that which supports you, of course you will be right.

Too bad it doesn’t work like that.

Cosmos -

About the italics -bug-
It is the paragraph tags. When the open p tag is found, it assumes closing of previous tags. It just did it to my post.

ksgrm posted January 17, 2008 at 3:00 pm

“Cosmos until you prove me wrong you are just some blogger who sits around all day cutting and pasting to blow up credible scientific studies that don’t agree with GW.”

ksgrm, what “credible scientific study” did George Waldenberger do?

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-117/#comment-276125

Hillary Lays Out Socialist Dream for American Companies

In a recent speech, Hillary Clinton showed her socialist stripes by declaring:
The other day the oil companies reported the highest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits and I want to put them into a strategic energy fund that will begin to fund alternative smart energy alternatives and technologies….
That’s right. She wants to take the money from a legitimate private business and give it to the government.

As if the government can even compete with the private sector when it comes to research and development…

As if the government has any rights to somone else’s profits! The oil companies, like any other company, is in business to make money. They take those “record” profits (record by dollar amount, not counting inflation) and do a multitude of things with it. Most of it goes back into the company for R&D. A lot of it goes to shareholders (that would be you and your 401k). And the remaining goes to employees.

http://thatsrich.blogspot.com/2007/02/hillary-lays-out-socialist-dream-for.html

Consider her Sept. 28 pitch to a Congressional Black Caucus symposium:
“I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18, if they (sic) have finished high school, they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that down payment on their first home.”
Given roughly 4 million annual births, Clinton’s proposal would cost taxpayers some $20 billion each year.
Now, Clinton has resurrected McGovern’s Vietnam-era brainstorm and retooled it for the ’00s. Today, it’s for — all together now — “the children.” She also inflated McGovern’s concept, almost perfectly. The Bureau of Labor Statistics’ online inflation calculator indicates that $1,000 in 1972 now equals $4,974.09. At least concerning “the children,” Clinton is 100.52 percent for McGovern’s promise.
Clinton’s Swedish-style idea lacks affluence testing. Every infant would score a $5,000 baby bond — from East L.A. to East Hampton. Fittingly, Clinton has said: “I am a fan of a lot of the social policies that you find in Europe.”
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/27353

Hillary made a comment in 1995″ It is time we forget about individual rights and start focusing on groups” That is called being a socialist.

http://anamericanwarning.com/community/blogs/hillary/archive/2007/06/01/this-is-a-test-post.aspx

“Well, I guess if you are going to simply reduce things down to who is a “true” homosexual and who is not based on if they never changed their minds…”

Nathan, that is truly ridiculous – no one changes their minds of being homosexual.

Some homosexuals, due to societal pressures, try to pass themselves off as straight, but no one “changes their minds.”

Bi-sexuals are born as they are – attracted to both sexes.

Transsexuals are a totally different topic.

Gays are born that way and there is not medical proof to the contrary.

Now, back to the point at hand – why deny equal rights to people that are just born gay?

SolDevVB,

Okay, thanks re the “paragraph tag”… makes sense. Klunky workaround is add new “italics” tag to line(s) after each blank line.

No rant Sol.

You can’t answer the question, for obvious reasons.

If you assert homosexuality is natural or even normal becuase 1)The behavior is seen in animals and 2)because there are genetic differences and people are born that way, then you must assume:

People and animals born with genes that stop them from reproducing are a defective aberration in evolutionary terms – Darwin’s natural selection would tend to reduce their number, not increase them.

How is anything I have posted bigotry GMC?

It IS shocking. But it is also TRUE.

If I post something that people may not know and it is a lie, than I am being destructive. If I post something people may not know and it is TRUE, I am being INFORMATIVE.

It is not bigotry to post the truth.

I posted that members of Romney’s church baptize the dead into their faith and sanctify (into their faith) the marriages of couples wed long ago. That is factual information. You can look it up. Being informative is NOT an attack unless the truth is somehow damaging. I cannot make up people’s minds for them.

Accusing me of attack or bigotry in this case is like accusing an encyclopedia of same.

Get over yourself GMC. If you catch me in a lie, call me on it. You do not get to be arbiter of what is admissable.

Cosmos you see I am not a scientist and can only believe or disbelieve that to which I am exposed that is on a level I can understand. That said Hanks argument carries much more weight than yours. He actually makes a case for his consensus. You simply are a naysayer against whoever he puts forth as a credible source.

When I first started posting on this blog you were one of the first posters I followed. It very quickly became apparent that you were just a negative response to any doubter of GW. You haven’t helped your cause. Oh you have cap and jr in your corner but that might not be a plus.

If you have credentials tell us what they are. This would help you in most peoples eyes.

Max
Posted January 17, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
No rant Sol.

Ladies first…

If you assert homosexuality is natural

Uhm, I think the links I provided did that.

“members of Romney’s church baptize the dead into their faith and sanctify (into their faith) the marriages of couples wed long ago.”

OK – so what? What if they kissed pigs while wearing tutus? Would that matter?

JR, for the last time: HOW IS THAT RELEVANT TO RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT??????

Max
Posted January 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink
Thus if homosexuals are in effect, handicapped,

What a warped individual you are Max.

“When one of my dogs humps the other, it is not because he is gay, it is because he is establishing dominance.”

How do you know that your dog is not bi-sexual?

AmWay, that post was way to factual and too long and painful for Democrats to read.

They can’t factually refute a single statement made in your post.

But they don’t have to.

Their DemoRats.

WS did you see my answer to your casino / resort question on yesterdays open thread ?

SolDevVB
Posted January 17, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink
Max
Posted January 17, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink
I want homosexuals to be allowed to be married.

You also think they are handicaped
——————————————————————————————————–

Sol, you posted that homosexuals are genetically different. Darwinists would say that since they are not reproducing, they are handicapped in evolutionary terms are they not? Surely their numbers must then decline.

You want special legal protection for homosexuals or not? Why not?

WS Clark,

Once again, when you make the claim that no “true” homosexual will ever choose to be gay and dismiss all those that did choose to either be gay or to switch back to straight as not really gay you have merely eliminated anything inconvienent to your little belief which is unprovable.

Quoting liberal preachers, at a link called gayheroes, no less who don’t think homosexuality is wrong on their opinion of Paul being gay is hardly proof of anything either.

You want special legal protection for homosexuals or not?
Absolutely not. No one should be singled out. A citizen is an American is he not? Beyond that there is no reason to further group people.

But Max, why would you segregate people into groups? Is that not racist? Sexist?

Oh Sol you say now that homosexuals are not genetically different.

Then it must be by choice.

Heh

Might be a bad time for me to bring up that abortion occurs in nature too.

Maybe another time…

Max
Oh Sol you say now that homosexuals are not genetically different.
Please cite where I mentioned genetics. Again I call you a liar.

J R
Posted January 17, 2008 at 3:29 pm | Permalink
ksgrm?

I THINK you just said in a roundabout way that you aren’t smart enough to understand cosmos. That’s how it reads to me!

JR I am going to take that as a compliment. Very sure that is not what you meant. If the logic you employ is the answer then my frank admission that Cosmos brings nothing to the argument with his repudiations of Hanks experts doesn’t meant I don’t understand scientific argument – it means Cosmos brings no scientific argument to the table.

I guess you read a little to much into it. Try reading the actual lines and not squinting to see what is between them.

Well…

“murder” occurs in nature, the dominant male gets to breed with any female he chooses in nature…

I could go on all day long, doesn’t mean those things are right, acceptable, or proof of it not being a choice in human society.

Max

Please define your interpretation of a person and a class and also exactly where a person’s rights end and that person’s class begins. Thank you.

Nathan
dismiss all those that did choose to either be gay or to switch back to straight

Can you please cite a few incidents where someone chose to be gay, or go back, or anywhere choice was involved?

Not today sol

Too many topics going already. And I gotta get going too.

ksgrm?

Hank posts folksy cornpone junk Most of it is routinely used by talk radio and sean hannity. Cosmos posts science. If you get Hank and not cosmos?

I don’t know…read more? Try the non fiction section?

Max this video is for you,

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=624755222

Max

No, really, I’d love to hear this.

Please define your interpretation of a person and a class and also exactly where a person’s rights end and that person’s class begins. Thank you.

JR I won’t state the obvious but you are definitely missing the boat. I’m confident in my abilities and also in Hanks. I know where he is coming from because my son was a ten year product of that same program. I would love to see him get in this discussion with you. We would be bolstering you up for months.

ksgrm posted January 17, 2008 at 3:21 pm

“Cosmos you see I am not a scientist and can only believe or disbelieve that to which I am exposed that is on a level I can understand. That said Hanks argument carries much more weight than yours. He actually makes a case for his consensus. You simply are a naysayer against whoever he puts forth as a credible source.”

When Hank Price later copy/pastes George Waldenberger from Sen Inhofe’s list, will ksgrm falsely believe that Waldenberger refutes the AGW consensus?

The ‘Inhofe 400′ Skeptic of the Day
Today: George Waldenberger’
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/14/231236/019
“In response to his inclusion on the list, George sent an email to Inhofe’s staffers that began:

Marc, Matthew:

Take me off your list of 400 (Prominent) Scientists that dispute Man-Made Global warming claims. I’ve never made any claims that debunk the “Consensus”.

You quoted a newspaper article that’s main focus was scoring the accuracy of local weathermen. Hardly Scientific… yet I’m guessing some of your other sources pale in comparison in terms of credibility.

You also didn’t ask for my permission to use these statements. That’s not a very respectable way of doing “research”.

Wow. He doesn’t leave much to the imagination.”

More at link above.

How many others on Inhofe’s list are like Waldenberger?
But ksgrm seems to believe that ALL of them are “credible sources”.

The U.S. abortion rate has dropped to a new 3-decade low, with 1.2 million abortions committed in 2005, compared with 1.6 million committed in 1990. Dangerous RU-486 abortions accounted for 13% of the killings in 2005. Average fee for a contract killing was $413.
Predictably, abortion advocates are attempting to assign credit to the morning-after abortifacient, sold by Planned Parenthood abortion mills, which is a proven failure at reducing surgical abortions.
The number of abortions committed in Kansas increased from 10,542 in 2005 to 11,221 in 2006, in part due to the increase in out-of-state mothers coming for hired killings.

WS

I feel a little like Tom Hanks in Charlie Wilsons War, when he was asked what authority he had to end the cold war and he said “None, what so ever” any one were to ask me at this point if I had any idea what I was talking about — I’d have to repeat that None what so ever —- gonna have to be a steep learning curve —-

All i need is for Julia Roberts to come to me and say Ken I want you to solve this dirty little energy thing ——- HAH

Film at eleven –

Julia Roberts can come over my house and ask me for ANYTHING she wants……..

OMG, so the Kansas Senate Democrats endorse Obama a day after jill docking?

Nice try gov. Are we supposed to believe now that you would EVER endorse a different democrat after your best friend and then your butt boy Hensley and all the good little germans in the Senate endorse Obama.

riiiiiight

So you agreed you wouldnt endorse anyone before you did Pelosi’s bidding after the State of the Union? You just sent out everyone you are close to so THEY could endorse Obama and we are to believe you are neutral?

riiiiiiight

Now I REALLY hope Hillary gets the nod. That would put you and yours shit outta luck. I doubt the Clintons will buy your contrived “neutrality”. You ALWAYS try to have it both ways, and someday, it’s bound to catch up with you.

Sometimes, in her weasly ways, governor “leadership” is just too clever by half.

Farmgirl weeps as the Dems endorse Obama.

What is it she has against him?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/edwards-on-orei.html#comments

Edwards On O’Reilly: ‘He Has No Idea What He’s Talking About’

January 16, 2008 10:42 PM

ABC News’ Raelyn Johnson reports: In a campaign stop in Las Vegas, Nev., Democratic hopeful John Edwards defended himself against Bill O’Reilly’s slamming a regular part of his stump speech that thousands of homeless vets are sleeping under bridges.

“In a country with as much wealth as America has, for us to have as many as 200,000 veterans who go to bed under bridges, go to sleep under bridges, or on grates, and who are homeless… This is immoral, and it’s wrong. And we, America, we have a responsibility to do something about it,” Edwards repeated tonight, speaking at US Veterans, a non profit organization that reintegrates homeless vets back into society.

Last night, on Fox’s “The O’Reilly Factor,” guest Ed Schultz, a syndicated radio talk show host, suggested that Edwards needs to expand on his two Americas theme. O’Reilly jumped in:

O’REILLY: Well, we’re still looking for all the veterans sleeping under the bridges, Ed. So, if you find anybody, let us know. Because that’s all the guy said for the last…

SCHULTZ: Well, they’re out there, Bill, don’t kid yourself.

O’REILLY: They may be out there, but there are not many of them out there, OK. So, if you know where there is a veteran sleeping under a bridge, you call me immediately, and we will make sure that man does not do it.

Tonight, speaking in front of a roomful of homeless vets, Edwards responded, “I heard that, last night, Bill O’Reilly, who’s a talk show host, who’s heard that I have said this about hundreds of thousands of veterans who don’t have a place to live, and were homeless. And he challenged me about whether that’s true or not, whether, in fact, we have that many veterans who don’t have a place to live, and some of them are sleeping under bridges. Well, he ought to start by coming to Las Vegas, if he wants to know what’s going on.

“America has the responsibility to do something about this. We do. And the fact that this talk show host, Bill O’Reilly, is willing to speak out that blatantly, when he has no idea what he’s talking about, is an example of how America doesn’t understand the problem, doesn’t understand how serious this issue is.”

*****

Another “compassionate CONservative.”

Pass the loofah, Bill.

How many are there Capn?

Obama on Ted Kennedy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlvJ8bA6_xA

Ted Kennedy on Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos

Nathan wwill wait to answer when there isnobody left on the Thread, Clark ROFLMAO

Again, if we would have had a House that would have reviewed my Impeachment request to remove Sebelius we would have had a vote. Know we have to except “1″ vote thru a Dictatorship Vote by Sebelius. Remeber this when we vote for our House this Election year. Vote them out. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com

Homeless Vets in Las Vegas?

The city of Las Vegas is dripping in gold and fortune and they can’t help the Vets that Edward’s claim that are living in the street?

Looks like corporate greed to me.

Maybe Vegas needs to build another Casino for 500 million and call it “Under the Bridge.”

Don’t know Ben. The only homeless I have met have been a few families, some mentally ill folks in the Library on Main and a couple of old men that I really didn’t want to get very close to.

The families were helped out by our Church and other churches. The mentally ill or drug addicts (maybe both)-I just don’t know. One mentally ill homeless I was talking to in front of the Library, suddenly took off full sprint from the Library and was still running full speed at the Kellogg overpass, by the time my I drove there in my car.
Didn’t appear to be anything physically wrong with him, just a few degrees off center.

A lot of the mentally ill are our ‘disposable’ vets.

There are MANY homeless veterans, and others, in Wichita. Many of them are in a despicable condition. If more people would be more caring, the problem could be helped a lot.

Also looks like more people are refusing to put up arguments with the trolls, and other disruptors.

“Slow news day, Clark”

Actually, Chas., I have noticed that a whole series of my posts have been deleted, despite the fact that I did not make physical threats (like someone we know) did not use profane language (like someone we know)and did not insult anyone (like someone we know.)

Apparently, Mr. Brownlee and the WE Blog group have either been intimidated or just don’t care.

They deleted a post of mine that was a RESPONSE to a post (from someone we know)that referred to a friend of mine as a scumbag.

The original post defaming my friend is still on the thread (Huckabee) but my response has been deleted. It had nothing other than my statement that I would never refer to a friend of mine in such a manner.

What a joke……………………….

I guess you should be prepared to be censored also, Chas.

Apparently, this Blog has become the province of nic stealers, switchers, character assassins and various other lowlifes.

WordPress sucks: eats WAY more posts than TypePad ever did.

Time Warner Cable Tests Data-Usage Rate Structure
(Hang on to your wallets!)

Thursday, January 17, 2008
Associated Press

“NEW YORK — Time Warner Cable will experiment with a new pricing structure for high-speed Internet access later this year, charging customers based on how much data they download, a company spokesman said Wednesday.

The company, the second-largest cable provider in the United States, will start a trial in Beaumont, Texas, in which it will sell new Internet customers tiered levels of service based on how much data they download per month, rather than the usual fixed-price packages with unlimited downloads.

Company spokesman Alex Dudley said the trial was aimed at improving the network performance by making it more costly for heavy users of large downloads.

Dudley said that a small group of super-heavy users of downloads, around 5 percent of the customer base, can account for up to 50 percent of network capacity.

Dudley said he did not know what the pricing tiers would be nor the download limits. He said the heavy users were likely using the network to download large amounts of video, most likely in high definition.”

It was not clear when exactly the trial would begin, but Dudley said it would likely be around the second quarter.

The tiered pricing would only affect new customers in Beaumont, not existing ones.

Time Warner Cable is a subsidiary of Time Warner Inc., the world’s largest media company.

Given the lack of participation on the Blog, it is apparent that (someone that we all know) is about to succeed in his mission – to shut down the Blog.

Great.

Another media outlet caves in to the forces of destruction and evil.

Clark — Let’s hope that such is not th case. Hang in there!

That is correct,Chas, but they left the post where (someone we all know) referred to a friend of mine as a scumbag (disgusting) but they deleted my response where I stated that I would never refer to a friend as such.

Apparently, if you make enough threats (lawsuits, etc.) you can get away with most anything here.

Apparently, (someone we all know) is just like a suicide bomber – he doesn’t care how many he kills off, even himself, just as long as he kills off what he considers to be his enemy.

So he has virtually killed off the Blog.

Great.

I just hope that the motherflipper is happy, Chas.

JUDGE OKS NEVADA AT-LARGE CAUCUS SITES
(Absolutely brilliant move by the Obama campaign imo)
Fox News (January 17,2008)

A federal judge on Thursday denied an attempt to cancel at-large Nevada caucus sites, boosting Barack Obama’s campaign, which has the backing of Las Vegas’ largest labor union.

Judge James Mahan washed his hands of the case, saying that existing election law allows for the
Democratic Party to resolve the differences internally and it’s not the place of the federal court to adjudicate how the party conducts its caucuses.

“State Democrats have a First Amendment right to association, to assemble and to set their own rules,” Mahan said, encouraging the two sides in the suit to work out their differences.

“We aren’t voting here, we’re caucusing. That’s something that parties decide,” he said. It is “up to the national party and the state party to promulgate these rules and enforce them

Six Democrats and the Nevada State Teachers Union, whose members have ties to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, sued to shut down the nine sites that had been approved by the Nevada Democratic Party and Democratic National Committee.

The goal of the plan was to give housekeepers, waitresses, bellhops, restaurant workers and thousands of others who work on the Las Vegas Strip a chance to participate in the midday caucuses rather than take time off to return home to neighborhood precincts or skip the vote altogether.

(cont’d at)
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/17/breaking-news-judge-oks-nevada-at-large-caucus-sites/

“Editors have a tough job, but good grief.”

I have to agree, Outlander. Apparently, it is not what you say but what you threaten.

Too bad, for us.

Also, to be effective, the posts need to be pulled within a half-hour. Within ten minutes is ideal.

That’s about how long a troll post lasts at FReeperville or DemUnderground.

Pulling posts from yesterday is a total waste of time . . .

Was it just me, or did anyone else see those Scofield car ads here on the blog? I remember they said it could happen some day. Well, I guess that day is here.

I will have to see if I can remember where I read something, not long ago, about how the greatest challenge for newspapers was figuring out how they could use the internet.

Ya know outlander. When you posted that I had threatened someone. I asked you to show me where and opined that you were lying.

I went and looked. There are alot of posts gone. But I find no threats from anyone let alone me.

What does your faith say about bearing false witness outlander? The only person who was vaguely threatening was the USUAL suspect. That being “Regular” in this particular incarnation.

SO FAR the sock puppets are staying hidden tonight… SO FAR!! LOL

I just hooked up my Christmas gift of an HP printer, copier, scanner, FAX – all in one device. This thing seems real nice. Anyone have problems with theirs, I should know about?

This post deletion thing is getting strange. Last weekend, I politely asked a notorious poster to quit lying about me and that post was pulled. I swear I asked more nicely than Bob Dole did of GHW Bush a few years ago.

Very strange, is all I can say…

“I have done some professional work in years past.”

Cool! Hank is an arteest. Who’d thunk it.

Sorry, Hank,

I sincerely did not mean for that to come off snarky. [This medium, is not so good sometimes]. You are obviously a multi-talented person.

Hey Steven,

We’ve got HP printers almost exclusively at the office, very few problems. At the front desk we have one of the ‘all around’ HPs that is at least four years old. It is our main fax machine and I use it for single copies a lot. A real work horse.

Joyce has an HP laser printer that does really quality work and very economical too. I use a laser up front for the bulk of my printing work.

At home I also have a very good HP mainly to print off my digital photos. I just bought a new Lexmark wireless. It has pretty good color but I’m not happy with the speed or quality of the printing. But it’s wireless! I really love it!

I think you will be very happy with your printer!

Steven D. — My wife had one of those HP things… worked really good on her puter… BUT, we couldnt get it to install and work on mine… She has Gateway VISTA… I have Gateway Media Center… strange…

A patient who is on a ventilator is attached to a machine owned by the hospital. Does that mean that the hospital has all rights over that patients life?
(the original question please note there are no qualifiers as to the patent’s condition )

Writerdog,
Please answer this for me.
1. Under what medical prognosis would the hospital who owns the equipment that is keeping a patient alive decide it has the legal right to “pull the plug”?
Answer: Terminally Ill
(For you information, Non-terminally ill patients go on ventilators too. In those instances, the hospital has no legal right to remove care when there is a reasonable chance of recovery)
*Point of order, the very fact the patent is put on a ventilator points to the reality that without the aid of the ventilator termination of life would be a real and reasonable possibility. Therefore the patent would be considered “terminal”.
2. What is the prognosis for the typical unborn child in the uterus owned by its mother?
Answer: Healthy and ready for life.
* an assumption based on unknown conditions and though left to the natural courses and setting aside the factor of natural abortion because of rejection of the body of the woman. In reality the fetus is not “healthy and ready for life” until late in the third trimester.
In conclusion:
3. Does the hospital really have the same power over patients as a mother has over her child as you have claimed in your post from yesterday?
*Yes as it is a judgment call in both cases, based on the available information, the over all conditions at the time and using a practical evaluation of the possible outcome from doing nothing.
The answer to number 3 is clearly NO. A pregnant female is the only person or entity in this country who can decide to end the life of a healthy human being. This is true regardless of who “owns” the life giving equipment that is keeping that person alive.

Propaganda tactic 3:Transfer involves using prestige or authority of one idea or person and transferring that to another to make it acceptable or add stature to it.

Well looking over there I can see the confusion.

“Mod” posted some sort of story. Just after that “mod” made a post that was vaguely threatening at 8:52. My response that you took as joining the threat was at 8:55.

I’m better typing than I used to be but not that good! I had stepped away from that thread for bit. I didn’t even see “mod”’s post let alone have time to construe and support it in less than 3 minutes. I was catching up to your last.

In this environment, I aint about to jump on board with just any unknown poster who comes along. Give me more credit next time, huh?

It’s a bit funny how some posters that seemingly know all about the various posters on the blog, suddenly show up, post for a few hours or at most a day or so, then just as suddenly disappear.

What is funny isn’t that they suddenly disappear, but why they show up knowing everything about those of us that have posted for a while.

Today, Eagle Beak reappeared after having been gone for a long, long time – posted a video – got a compliment from (someone we all know) then just as suddenly disappeared. Strange?

Then later, a poster that just used “.” as a nic showed up, then just as quickly disappear, but it the short time that they were here, managed to attack just “the right people.”

This is all getting to be a very unfortunate situation – I truly believe that the Eagle will be shutting this blog down before too long because they just can’t or won’t control the activity of some posters.

Oh, well…….

I don’t know why the right wing posters here don’t tell him to stop.

It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? This blog has always been majority left. James he decided to expand the right wing voice all on his own.

But the problem for him is that his style is too easy to detect and when he tries to hide it it is becoming even MORE obvious it is him. He’s running out of personalities AND ideas.

Funny Clark how you complain about YOUR posts being deleted.

YOU are the one begging the WE to censor posts.

Guess what?

Fantastic Video Eagle Beak!

Inspiration for all others. In their own words:

http://our.marines.com/

Makes me proud to be an American and oh so proud of these young men and women!

God bless America!!!!!!

Correction–

I did a little digging instead of relying on memory: the Dow Industrials were at 10,600 in Jan of 2001. Today, the index stood at 12,159.

That raises the annual return to 2.1 percent.

Still, really, really bad.

Ben, the process is that they have to present it to the floor and a committee and/or subcommittee views the allegations. They refused this process, which is against the Kansas Constitution. I e-mailed all the U.S. Attorneys in the U.S. and asked them to view it, do to it is stealing Federal Money. The House refused me my Constitutional Rights. I am asking for a KSA:60-259, re-consideration under Rule-8, by all the Chief Justices, in all Districts in Kansas. I will keep all updated as I get my Comnstitutional Rights upheld and/or when they are continually refused. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com

“YOU are the one begging the WE to censor posts.”

Wrong, Max, I only asked the Eagle to do something about the nic switching and stealing.

I could care less about the rest.

By the way, Max, are you still working on that math as to how to pay off the National Debt and fund the mandates?

Remember, it was your BOYS that generated more than 75% of the Debt.

Forty-five years is not a good answer, Max.

Guess who endorses Hillary Clinton now?!

OJ Simpson!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoU2wyKfI5c

And Norman Hsu does too!

Why Abortions Are Down in America
Abortions are Down Across the Country — but Why?

“The conclusion of a sweeping new nationwide study released today that included interviews with every known abortion provider in the country is unambiguous. Abortions are decreasing.

The study, conducted by the Guttmacher Institute, which researches issues related to reproductive health and sexuality, found that in 2005, the U.S. abortion rate fell to 19.4 abortions per 1,000 women between the ages of 15 to 44, the lowest level since 1974. The total number of abortions also declined, to a total of 1.2 million in 2005, well below the all-time high of 1.6 million abortions in 1990.

But the study raises a fascinating and tricky question: Why?

The researchers who conducted the study said they simply don’t know, but they do have two theories.

One reason could be that since people now have easier access to contraception — including emergency contraception like Plan B — there are fewer unwanted pregnancies.

Another reason could be that there are also fewer abortion clinics.

“Eighty-seven percent of counties in the United States don’t have an abortion provider,” Rachel Jones of the Guttmacher Institute said. “Thirty-five percent of women live in those counties.”

Activists on both sides of this debate have their own theories, and everyone’s claiming victory.

Supporters of abortion rights say the decline is the result of the sex education and family planning they provide.

Opponents say more women are coming to grips with the horror of abortion, in part because of the increasing numbers of so-called crisis pregnancy centers, which set up near abortion clinics and offer services like ultrasounds to convince women to keep their babies.

“This is a very powerful tool,” anti-abortion activist Chris Slattery said of ultrasounds. “Now it’s much harder for them to actually think of destroying a child.”

Pomona College political science professor John Seery, who studies the politics of abortion, has his own theory, which he calls the “Juno” effect after the current movie in which a young woman decides to keep her baby for personal not political reasons. He said the movie reflects a cultural shift in the country.”

(cont’d at)

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4151508&page=1

Well Obama is definitely out for me.

He evoked Reagan today. That’s the last straw. He already has the tentative ok of people I DO not want to work with.

Obama must NOT be the Dem. nominee.

America’s black population is now beginning to decrease, as racist abortionist quacks target black communities at an abortion rate 3 times that of the general population. Planned Parenthood has planned for the reduction of undesirable populations from the beginning, as evidenced by Margaret Sanger’s writings, and continues with their huge new abortion mills targeting black populations in Aurora, IL and Denver, CO.
After-effects of abortion, such as later premature births and cerebral palsy in infants, accelerate the black population reduction with appalling black infant mortality rates during the first year of life.
Planned Parenthood has a dream . . . .
- – -

Meanwhile, U.S. Senator David Vitter (R-La.) is sponsoring an amendment to the Indian Health Care Improvement Act (S. 1200) to keep federal funds from going toward abortions. Indian health services have never been subject to the restrictions of the Hyde Amendment, so that the Indian population could remain targeted for reduction.

JR

I think you took his statement the wrong way — he was not evoking St. Ronnie (genuflecting, making the sign of the dollar) as if he were his equal or had any intention of being like him — the similarity he drew was that in 80 — Reagan was the change and change in direction the country needed at that time, and that he (Obama) and others, dem and gop, who are talking about change are stepping into the same environment where the country wants a change of direction —

I’m pretty sure he wasn’t trying to channel or was talking about raising St. Ronnie from the dead and swearing him back in (genuflecting, making the sign of the dollar,) {when the republicans meet and talk about the good old days and your patron saint do you have a special dispensation from Nancy to not have to genuflect every time — does that come with a secret handshake too)

Of course it was great fodder for Edwards today — he pontificated how he would never think of being Reagan like – - of course all the Democrats (lots of women it seemed) in the background swooned, ohhh and ahh’d (no genuflecting) saw no spittle or drooling

I believe the rule is if you don’t use St. you don’t have to genuflect…. but the requirement to lower your eyes in reverence every time you pass a picture of him is never waived —- to be fair the same rules apply to St John and St. Franklin for the Democrats …

hey and that’s our show for tonight folks — signing off from Mulvane Kansas where the men are bold, the women are handsome and the children are about average (sorry writers strike and I can’t remember the exact words from Garrison Keillor)

OK one last thing — tonights news seems the wellington folks are screaming foul and doing everything but damning Mulvane to eternal hell … I heard there was a border war between the 2 counties years ago, what was that about ? —- will / can that happen again ?

Tara,

Wasn’t aware that there was a marker found yet to even determine homosexuality. There was the “X” marker theory, but I thought that was an indicator of different variations possible, but not a specified identity for a specific cause of a condition (i.e. – can cause many things)

Mr. West, on what grounds would the Lege have to challenge a Sebelius appointment to the AG position? Morrison was a Democrat, Sebelius is a Democrat and she will obviously appoint a qualified Democrat.

The State Constitution does not require her to obtain Lege approval for her choice.

The Republicans would not give a damn if it was a Republican Governor appointing a Republican AG, so why should it matter now, given that Morrison was duly elected by the people of Kansas?

Or is this just another Republican attempt at an end run around the Constitution?

WordPress is odd.

It terminated my “italics” tag for the ‘email’ section, “Marc, Matthew:“, after the first blank line, in my 11:54 AM post.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-117/#comment-276125

But… if you save this thread to a file on your disk, my 11:54 AM post (may) show the entire email section in italics.

The WE Blog real-time workaround seems to be use new “italics” tags, after every blank line, like I did at 4:09 PM.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-117/#comment-276425

Homosexulaity isn’t a choice… EXCEPT for those people who choose.

“Homosexulaity isn’t a choice… EXCEPT for those people who choose.”

That is just flat out stupid, Nathan. People don’t choose to be gay – they are born that way. Why would ANYONE choose to be gay if they were not that way to begin with?

And, by the way, how is your analysis of Romans coming?

“People are not born gay”

I realize that you do not believe in science, Nathan, but medical science has pretty much laid that question to rest, as I posted earlier today. There are noticeable differences in the brains of gay and straight people, differences that are genetic.

“I already gave you the short version on Paul.”

You gave me a bullshit answer regarding Paul. If that is the best you can do, take up another hobby.

According to you, Paul meant one thing regarding women and another regarding gays, all in the same letter – how is it that YOU know which was a directive and which was just shooting the breeze?

“That is just flat out stupid, WS Clark. People are not born gay. Why would anyone choose to be gay if you are only born that way?”

What the hell are you going on about, Nathan?

I don’t think anyone chooses their sexuality. I certainly didn’t. Maybe you did. But if you had to choose at one point to be attracted to girls then…well, I don’t know how to tell you this, boy :P

Tara,

My view that is eventually, they won’t find anything gene specific. What they will find (in my under educated theory of genetics), is that certain behaviors elicit biochemical responses to sexual arousal and the response to that behavior. That biochemical response will trigger certain hormones (testosterone – etc.) and the mechanism for the release is faulty, so it gets confused by releasing an unsteady amount. Instead of a steady, high or low release, the release of the hormone is like a yo yo – with resulting behavior that causes confusion about choice. Confusion may be a bad word, I will say uncertainty about the expected response.

Reacting to that would make one uncertain how to react to sexual stimuli. I’m guessing that it would be like people with certain types of epilepsy where their brains react oddly to crisis situations – i.e., they don’t have fight or flight, they just sit there with their mind in chaos unable to react.

That theory of course, and a few bucks can get you a meal at McDonald’s too. :)

WS Clark,

I am not hung up on homosexuals. I believe they should have all the same rights as anyone else.

I simply don’t believe that marriage is a right. I don’t believe that homosexual marriage is something which the government has to recognize.

If two people want to be gay, fine. I have several friends who are gay, work with gay people, and we all get along fine.

I treat them like anyone else.

“If you are going to go down the road of affirming with the conviction you do that homosexuals don’t choose to be that way and were born that way then you have to be prepared to do the same for the above.”

Bullshit. It is a matter of consent. If you screw your dog, Nathan, the dog obviously doesn’t consent.

Pedophilia is a crime and involves children UNDER the age of consent.

Get real………………….

Two consenting adults should not have to ask YOUR permission to act up what comes naturally to them.

And they should not be denied the same rights.

JR,

Where have I ever shown that I hate gay people let alone that I “virulently hate” them?

I have constantly said that as Christians we are to love them and welcome them, that as people we should treat them no differently, and that I personally treat them no different.

The only issue is marriage, which I don’t think is a “right” and I don’t think that homosexuals have some “right” to be endorsed and recognized as a couple by the government.

WS Clark,

We are talking about being born a certain way. Do try to keep up.

Dad,

I got Sunday off and will be out to help.

WS Clark,

Because I don’t think that simply because someone chooses to be in a homosexual marriage that they should be recognized by the government.

There are many different types of relationships which are not, and I don’t think should be either.

Chas,

The issue is not consent, rather if someone is born a certain way.

If you are going to so whole heartedly claim that homosexuals are born that way, why then do you not think that people who are sexually attracted to animals are not?

WS Clark,

Where have I claimed to oppose homosexuals or “gay rights?”

I am talking about marriage.

Nathan, if marriage is NOT a right, then who is it that must approve a heterosexual couple for marriage? I have absolutely no problem if people belong to a Church that doesnt believe in same gender marriage. I DO have a problem when that Church wants to impose its standards on the WHOLE of the society! And, it is the government who grants the license to marry — NOT the Church!

Since there is no LEGAL justification to ban gay marriage, then, it should not even be a matter of contention in the governmental process. Let chuches ban it all they want.

Oh I don’t have to look far Hank.

Nathan made a practice of sticking his finger in the eye of kansasfarmgrrl and telling her she would never be allowed marriage.

And don’t speak to me of bigotry. Talk to your son and his vile assaults on me.

Nathan, IF you believe that homosexuals have the same rights as YOU have, then, by nature of that statement, you ALSO believe that gays have the same inherent right to be married to the person of THEIR choice, the same right as YOU have!

And dont throw in pedophelia, or doggy sex either!! Geez!!

JR,

Cry me a river already you little baby.

For heavens sake man, where have I ever made “vile assualts” on you?

When you push on commenting about my family, I will push back.

If you don’t like it, then stop with your petty crap about my family.

Believe it or not, Nathan, I would agree with you oh Polygamy… Because, legally there is nothing wrong with it…

And if it is not a matter of legality man, then what IS IT??? Good grief, please try to make logical sense!!

BTW, there is also no biblical mandate against polygamy either!! :-)

Chas,

I never said there was a Biblical mandate against Poligamy, it doesn’t stop me from thinking that it too derserves no special recognition of the government in allowing a poligamy marriage.

“Not everything is simply a matter of pure legality.”

Marriage is a LEGAL institution – not a religious one.

There is a separation of church and state in this country as mandated by the Constitution.

How can you LEGALLY deny someone the right to marry the consenting adult of their choice given that our country is founded on the principle that “all men are created equally?”

JR,

Oh please JR… Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

What “attacks” have I made on your family?

You have made these allegations against me for several days now.

Everytime I ask you what they are, you never reply.

OK Nathan, on what LEGAL basis would you argue against polygamy?? LEGAL BASIS??

“I DONT THINK MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT.”

As I posted, if it is not a right in your mind, what IS it?

A freakin’ gift from God?

What?

If it is not a right, then just what the Hell is it?

Using a wrench as a hammer works, but the design is all wrong and damage occurs to the wrench in an unusual manner.

I could mine the archives Nathan.

You can too.

I’ve done everything in my tolerance to work with you and your fascist family. It always gets me the back of the hand.

And just TODAY my son was telling me how your Dad talked me down behind my back to him. That after I TRUSTED my kid in his care.

You’re scum Nathan and your Dad is too.

Chas,

If you don’t like green boxer shorts made of rabbit fur then go ahead and start the grass roots effort to ban it.

Good luck.

JR,

Once again, please who me where I have attacked your family.

What did my father say to your son to talk you down behind your back? (It has been years since that day and just now your son is telling you this???)

Put up or shut up JR. Lets see all these attacks.

So far you have called my family fascist.

JR attacks on my family: 1

Nathan attacks on JR’s family: 0

Excellent post Clark!!

Nathan — I was stating an absurdity… And that absurdity of green boxer shorts made of rabbit fur being banned, is just as absurd as YOU wanting to ban gay marriage!!

Personally, I think you have some kind of FEAR of gay marriage… although I cant figure out WHY!!

WS Clark,

2+2 = 4

The sky is blue

I liked the movie I Am Legend

Need I go on?

If anyone cares, I personally do not believe in marriage – it doesn’t work for me – living together with a woman of my choice is passably acceptable, but only for a few years.

When ever I get the urge to marry again, I just go to the bathroom and begin to flush $100 bills down the toilet until the urge passes.

WS Clark, for the record Morrison is a Republican. So am I. He only changed to run against Kline on a consult from Sebelius. She gets to decide a Democratic choice for AG based on a fake Democratic AG. He, again, is a Republican. Know she is putting in a “Ringer Democratic choice”!!!! This gives the Chief Justices the rights under Racketeering and Extortion!!!!!! Sir. This is in the KSA: 60-259 statute. RICO Acts are the Jurisdiction for review at the State level, under Chief Justices!!!!!! Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com

WS Clark,

Dicussing rights is a philisophical discussion which would obviously take along time and too much would be lost on a blog.

You keep telling me to exclude my religious beliefs.

Well, you exclude your non-religous beliefs. Not everyone should be subject to your non-religious interpretations…

“a philisophical discussion”

What is the philosophical issue – you stated that marriage is NOT a right – I asked what was it then?

Simple.

If it is not a right, then what is it?

Religion plays not part in your answer.

And…………….

“Not everyone should be subject to your non-religious interpretations…”

The difference is, I don’t ask anyone to be subject to my non-religious interpretations.

My God doesn’t give a damn if you are straight, gay, lesbian, black, white or any other classification.

That is why I am not a Christian.

WS Clark,

It is simply a law. That is all. Something a majority of society has decided to do.

WS Clark,

Once again, I think you missed it:

I DONT THINK MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT.

Since I have explained myself on that, please tell me:

What, in your opinion, makes marriage a “right” and what type of “right” do you think it is?

You said what you said Nathan on yesterday’s open.

I think you called me a sore on societies butt?

The stuff my son says your dad told him? Well my son was younger then. I’ll be better than you and leave it there.

“I DONT THINK MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT.”

And I have asked multiple times – if it is not a right, what is it?

In my mind, if you and other consenting adult can do it, and you are not legally married to someone else, then it is your RIGHT to marry.

Marriage is not a privilege.

Marriage does not require consent from third parties.

Marriage, if it is granted to some, should be granted to all, given reasonable consent.

That reasonable consent, in most states, means both participants must be of age and have the ability to actually consent.

Any other restriction is to deny the same rights to one group and granted to another.

End of story.

And lastly, just how is society, and you specifically, harmed by the marriages of a small portion of people that are sinners in your eyes but are just ordinary folks in the eyes of most.

Well, Nathan, answer this……… and make it quick it is past my bedtime.

If two people want to marry and they are of age and not married to others, they are allowed to marry without restriction, correct?

Given that there is no restriction or undue qualification required, then marriage is their right.

Easy…… follow the dotted line.

Now, if those two people are male and female, their marriage can continue without interference from anyone else.

No restriction, therefore it is their right to marry.

Now, if those two people are of the same sex – end of story in nearly every state.

They have no right to marry, under current law in every state except Massachusetts.

Why?

Show me where to people of opposite sexes, unrelated and currently unmarried, of an age of consent can be denied the right to marry.

There is no state in the union that would deny them the right to marry.

Unless they were actually of the same gender.

And how is that fair?

I just stated why I think it is a right…….

JR calls a US Marine who has fought in combat “the enemy.”

Shameful.

Who’s the real enemy here?

A little known Clinton Scandal:

HIV sufferers protest Clinton
UK demonstrators hold Bill accountable for deadly Arkansas prisoner-blood scandal

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Posted: May 11, 2006
11:35 a.m. Eastern

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50159