Astronomer Dr. Jeff Zweerink of the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) studies gamma rays, black holes, and neutron stars and has declared himself a skeptic of man-made climate fears. “Many natural phenomena significantly affect the global climate. Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth’s biomass, for example,” Zweerink wrote on December 18, 2006. “While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV’s,” Zweerink added.
Twenty six days in a row I have posted an example of various concerns that credible scientists have with AGW.
There is no ‘consensus’ associated with these scientists. They are not sponsored by the UN and have no need to agree at the end of the day.
Some don’t believe in GW. Some believe in GW but don’t think man has much to do with it. Some believe that man is probably causing it, but don’t think it’s much of a problem and not worth destroying our economy to try and fix.
I’ve brought 26 different independent opinions demonstrating that there is legitimate debate. cosmos has brought nada, siltch, nothing.
Too bad there is not a reasonable position in this argument that I can support. Scientists almost always disagree and want to know more, that is the nature of their business. But, there are times to when a general position is accepted by most and this general position guides the majority of their work - which is what I understand is the nature of this subject area - as at least as it has been explained to me by people I respect - Ben Huie is an example.
All we have is extremists posting on this subject in this venue and it is a shame, I think. :(
Why is it that Governor Sebelius nor any Representative did not touch on the Disposition of the Casino issue and the AG Morrison problem?? They seem so up beat about Casinos, yet they refuse to address the residents of Kansas on the issue?? Seems typical. Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com
Hank…it seems to me the biggest problem with GW is not a scientific argument but a political one. If it had been someone less politicized than Al Gore to highlight it, maybe it would have been more rationally discussed. But..the hard core Dems are buying into everything Al said, regardless of differeing scientific opinions. the old “my mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts” routine.
It seems that this has become the Y2K issue for this decade. But, this one is politicized, and anyone who doesn’t follow in Gore’s path is “the enemy”. Sad…working together could have produced some logical/practical analysis. But, once it becomes political, reason and rational go out the window.
Then, from your post, can I assume that you believe debate on GW would be a good thing?
If you believe my position is extreme, lets be sure what it is.
I don’t believe Gore’s documentary should stand alone as the last word on GW. I believe there should be rational debate without impugning the motives of anyone that disagrees with the ‘consensus’.
What’s good about global warming, Hank? My AC bill was out of sight last year…I may have to move to Alaska…maybe the scuba diving will be great once the glaciers melt?
If the conservatives are all at work, Pat..then what are you doing on the blog this morning?
Gee, I see a bunch of neocons on the blog today. I’ll work at noon today (I lost a client- as in DIED, so I’m short on my Tuesday/Thursday time until I get reassigned).
Letter to the editor today stated that the CEO of Country Wide Mortgage will receive around 75 million in severence etc in the Bank of America buyout of CW. In the letter it points out that CW was at $40+ a year or so ago and is now around $6-7. How does that work — is there an severence per share ratio or calculation that is applied here. Is the rational that at one time CW was doing quite well, made a lot of money for share holders and through no fault of his it has tanked — so it’s not his fault? I want a job like that — I lose a couple billion dollars and I get more — hmmm sounds like Haliburton ….
Sorry for your loss Pmom…I’ve lost so many this month..two patients (one I took care of for almost 8 years) my nephew, and my brother in law. Seems like people die more in the winter. All it takes is a cold or other virus when someone’s immune system is weak. I’m about fed up with all the death…spring can’t get here quick enough for me.
Thanks Mary, and for your losses as well. It’s hard not to get so attached. But I’ve been doing that for years and I’m not willing to detach. My client we knew was terminal, but when she took that turn, she took it hard and fast. So in the big scheme of things it was probably better that way. 8 years is a long time with a client, I’ll bet that was a hard one for you. I often got really close to patients I had in the nursing home for years like that. And then some affect you the most in a short amount of time.
You are right though, winters are the worst time for sick people. I think it’s a bunch of factors. The holidays, the gloom, the indoor staleness, and of course the better breeding ground for organisms.
“On a first-lady goodwill tour of Asia in April 1995—the kind of banal trip that she now claims as part of her foreign-policy “experience”—Mrs. Clinton had been in Nepal and been briefly introduced to the late Sir Edmund Hillary, conqueror of Mount Everest. Ever ready to milk the moment, she announced that her mother had actually named her for this famous and intrepid explorer. The claim “worked” well enough to be repeated at other stops and even showed up in Bill Clinton’s memoirs almost a decade later, as one more instance of the gutsy tradition that undergirds the junior senator from New York.
Sen. Clinton was born in 1947, and Sir Edmund Hillary and his partner Tenzing Norgay did not ascend Mount Everest until 1953, so the story was self-evidently untrue and eventually yielded to fact-checking. Indeed, a spokeswoman for Sen. Clinton named Jennifer Hanley phrased it like this in a statement in October 2006, conceding that the tale was untrue but nonetheless charming: “It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add.”
Perfect. It worked, in other words, having been coined long after Sir Edmund became a bankable celebrity, but now its usefulness is exhausted and its untruth can safely be blamed on Mummy. Yet isn’t it all—all of it, every single episode and detail of the Clinton saga—exactly like that? And isn’t some of it a little bit more serious? For Sen. Clinton, something is true if it validates the myth of her striving and her “greatness” (her overweening ambition in other words) and only ceases to be true when it no longer serves that limitless purpose.”
Read the rest yourself:
“The Case Against Hillary Clinton -
Why on earth would we choose to put the Clinton family drama at the center of our politics again?”
Read about the debate and listen to the audio where the man made Global Warming Scientists including Dr. Gavin Schmidt loses a debate to a team headed by Dr. Richard Lindzen.
The debate was sponsored by National Public Radio (NPR).
This speaks to Ron Paul’s unfitness better than I can. A sample:
“Imagine this scenario. You are an elected representative of Congress and a pamphlet has been produced in your name on a monthly basis for three decades. It’s been written in the first person and makes frequent reference to your family and other biographical details. You admit to being aware of its existence. Do you a) attempt to have its publication stopped for fear of how it might damage your reputation; b) oversee every aspect of its production to ensure its vicarious fidelity to your own opinions and style of expressing them; c) take only a passing interest in its contents?
Ron Paul would have us believe c) is as convincing as a return to the gold standard. He said he doesn’t know who wrote the now-notorious newsletters that James Kirchick painstakingly exposed and reprinted in the New Republic last week—they were titled Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report—but it sure as hell wasn’t him and he’d been over this before, when he ran for the House of Representatives in 1996 and a few choice selections from the newsletters found their way into the Texas press.”
And this:
“A common refrain of his apologists is that nothing in the excavated hate-rags sounds at all like their man. While one may not agree with Paul’s plans to abolish the Federal Reserve or withdraw all U.S. troops from foreign soil, they argue, one has to admit that Paul puts his case for these policies rationally and without resorting to black helicopter-type hysterics.
In some instances, however, the newsletters conform to this justification. Consider this almost unnervingly controlled notice about David Duke’s Louisiana primary victory in November 1990:
“David Duke received 44% of the vote in the Senate primary race in Louisiana, 60% of the white vote, and 9% of the black vote!. This totaled 100,000 more votes than the current governor when he won.
[…]
Duke’s platform called for tax cuts, no quotes, no affirmative action, no welfare, and no busing. “Tonight we concede the election,” he said, “But we will never concede our fight for equal rights for all Americans.”
To many voters, this seems like just plain good sense. Duke carried baggage from his past, but the voters were willing to overlook that. And if he had been afforded the forgiveness an ex-communist gets, he might have won.
Liberals like Richard Cohen of the Washington Post say he got so many votes because Louisianians were racists and ignorant. Baloney.
David Broder, also of the Post, and equally liberal, writing on an entirely different subject, had it right: “No one wants to talk about [race] publicly, but if you ask any campaign consultant or pollster privately, you can confirm the sad reality that a great many working-class and middle-class white Americans are far less hostile to the rich and their tax breaks than they are to the poor and minorities with their welfare and affirmative-action programs.”
Liberals are notoriously blind to the sociological effects of their own programs. David Duke was hurt by his past. How many more Dukes are there waiting in the wings without such a taint?”
There are no raving redneck sermons here—only sinister rationalizations for them. (In a slightly different context, and forgetting who the subject was, we might have seen such a contrarian squib in the pages of The New Republic.) That early reminder that 9% of blacks actually turned out for a former grand wizard of the KKK is meant to downplay Duke’s racist appeal—“baggage from his past”—and suggest that, in every other respect, he was seen as a viable candidate by even the least likely demographic. Similarly, the analogy between Duke and an ex-communist running for public office hints at an understanding of his controversial past, which the author is, to all outward appearances, reluctant to embrace. (Paul has argued that his convictions prevent him from being a racist because racism, like communism, is a “collectivist” enterprise.) The writer also credits the liberal David Broder in order flout the conventional wisdom about race discourse in America. Besides, Duke has got more interesting things to talk about than white supremacy—“tax cuts, no quotes, no affirmative action, no welfare, and no busing.”
GMC — most enlightening… But — why havent we heard anything to this effect long before now? How did this kind of racial bias remain hidden for so many years??
Does the NAACP often support white racists? GMC I thought you were smarter than this. Alas you have proven me wrong. Austin NAACP President Defends Ron Paul
“Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been under a vicious smear attack by opponents for charges of racism. The charge appears to be completely unfounded and Paul continues to advocate individual freedom.
The Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder came to Paul’s defense. Linder said that Paul is not a racist and said, “Lets face it Ron Paul is a thinker and he’s also a Constitutionalist”. He continued, “I like Ron Paul personally, I like what he’s saying, I think he’s sincere and I think he’s correct in what he’s saying”.
NAACP President: Ron Paul Is Not A Racist
Linder says Paul being smeared because he is a threat to the establishment
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Sunday, January 13, 2008
Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.
Linder joined Alex Jones for two segments on his KLBJ Sunday show this evening, during which he commented on the controversy created by media hit pieces that attempted to tarnish Paul as a racist by making him culpable for decades old newsletter articles written by other people.
“Knowing Ron Paul’s intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that….so I think it’s very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that’s what I’m hearing,” said Linder.
“Knowing Ron Paul and having talked to him, I think he’s a very fair guy I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the Libertarian platform,” he added. http://www.nolanchart.com/article1134.html
“A new, highly drug-resistant strain of MRSA, or methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, has moved outside hospitals and is now spreading among gay men, researchers reported Monday.
Some of the hardest hit areas are San Francisco, Boston, New York and Los Angeles, according to a San Francisco Chronicle report.
Click here to read the San Francisco Chronicle story.
In regards to San Francisco, the study found sexually active gay men are 13 times more likely to be infected than the general population.
“We probably had it here first, and now it is spreading elsewhere,” said Binh An Diep, a researcher at San Francisco General Hospital and lead author of the report, in a news release. “This is a national problem, and San Francisco is at the epicenter.”
Although researchers have stopped short of declaring this form of staph a sexually transmitted disease, the infections are found where skin-to-skin contact occurs during sexual activity.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), MRSA is responsible for about 19,000 deaths annually in America — most of which occur in the hospital.”
The findings appear online in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.” Fox News
I suspect because 1) He’s now running for president - until this year he’s been nothing but a contrarian and slightly loopy Texas Congressman, and 2) reporters are lazy. These newsletters predate the electronic database age, and are not online. You have to hunt them down in print.
Sol: Because the local Texas NAALCP head is gullible (or bought) doesn’t mean I have to be. And “prisonplanet” on the web is whack-job central, loaded with “9/11 truther” balony and other half-truths and certified nonsense. Nolanchart isn’t much better.
“Many of the IPCC scientists are not climatologists. Many of the IPCC scientists that are included in the ‘concensus’ have had second thoughts and no longer wish to back the IPCC report.”
Dear Hank Price,
Really??? Okay, a simple challenge Hank — let’s see you back up those 2 claims.
GMC,
Here is the contact information for the Austin NAACP. Why don’t you express your concerns? I mean if you think someone was paid off, that should be of some interest would it not?
Contact Information
Posted on January 3rd, 2008 in State Office by admin
The address for the state office is 1107 E llth St. Suite A, Austin Texas, 78702. Our contact numbers are:
(512) 322-9547 Office
(512) 322-0757 Fax
Betting you don’t have the balls to reproduce what you wrote to the president of the NAACP.
And as for website validity, I’m sure Pajamas Media is your epitome of journalism.
“While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV’s,” Zweerink added.”
Zweerink believes that Al Gore is not an “activist”.
“Many natural phenomena significantly affect the global climate. Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth’s biomass, for example,” Zweerink wrote on December 18, 2006.
Dear Hank,
Please give examples showing how the above three factors have caused the observed warming since the 1970’s.
For example, which continents have moved significantly since 1970?
Does Hank Price consider humans destroying rain forests a “natural phenomena”?
Why are the Republicans scared of Ron Paul?
Paul is the only candidate who is a conservative. His economics scare the Republican party, and they scare the living you know what out of them. He wants to fix our economy not make it worse. He raises very good questions. Upon doing this, he has been subject to the machine of politics who want to make him out to be a lunatic.
McCain = Status Quo, will give all illegals a pass if he could, stay in Iraq indefinitely until we all our broke.
Guiliani = 9/11 want-a-be hero, what does marriage mean to him?
Huckabee = Close to Paul in wanting to fix our country, but will keep the foregin policy the same.
Romney = For big business only, does not care about the working class, has strong points though on immigration.
Thompson = Snipes at everyone, does not introduce anything he would do, good at point out the weaknesses, an arm chair QB
Why are conservatives so afraid of being responsible stewards of the Earth? According to most, God gave us dominion over His creation - that means we have a responsibility to ensure that the Earth remains a viable entity.
So, how does environmentalism fly in the face of conservatism?
Annie the deciding factor for me as to why I will not vote for Ron Paul: He has no foreign policy except that he will not protect us against outside attacks. He will talk with the instigators. We would all be toast by the time he gets them to the table. The world in which we live can’t be ran in this way. Sad but true.
You continually seem to ask questions that have a false premise.
“So, how does environmentalism fly in the face of conservatism?”
I guess that before I can address this question I’d have to aggree with the premise. I don’t.
Most conservatives are good stewards of the earth.
As a conservative my question would be:
“How does using environmental issues for purely political gain make you a good steward of the earth?”
The liberal patron saint of environmentalism is a perfect example. Al Gore is all talk when it comes to the environment but in reality he is one of the biggest abusers of the earth.
Greenspan goes to work for hedge fund that strongly profited from the real estate collapse, Country wide ceo makes tens of millions from buy out. The market will richly reward performance, even if it is disasterous performance.
“I went to the links earlier, cosmos. Looks to liike to me ol’ Krishna is a computer programer.”
So if Hank Price writes a book about dog training, it proves that he knows nothing about dogs. Hank only knows how to arrange sentences, paragraphs, and chapters, into a book. /sarcasm OFF
WS last week I took a test that was in the Eagle to see if I was ‘green’. I failed and I drive a Prius, keep my utilities turned no higher that 68 in the winter and no lower than 76 in the summer.
It would be interesting to see what Al Gores score was. I know I do much better than he would and he is the GW spokesman. He also makes a great deal of money off the movement.
It is no wonder that people are doubtful when he expresses something as gospel.
I would invite the GWers here to take the test and see what is expected of you. I bet none of you are doing things right. It is impossible unless you live in a large metro area.
More fun from the NYT opinion page. this is what happens when identity politics clashes head on with identity politics:
“Clinton wants to have it both ways. She wants to be emblematic of her gender and liberated from race and gender politics. As she told Tim Russert on Sunday: “You have a woman running to break the highest and hardest glass ceiling. I don’t think either of us wants to inject race or gender in this campaign. We’re running as individuals.”
And a snippet of why at this point I’ll support Thompson:
“A woman asked him if he would “as a Christian, as a conservative” continue President Bush’s programs to combat global AIDS.
“Christ didn’t tell us to go to the government and pass a bill to get some of these social problems dealt with. He told us to do it,” Thompson said.
“The government has its role, but we need to keep firmly in mind the role of the government, and the role of us as individuals and as Christians on the other.” ”
Much of the debate around Global Climate Change is focused on the personality of Al Gore. That is just a convenient strawman. Al Gore is NOT the spokesperson for GW. He is a private citizen that has express concerns and has chosen to further the cause of responsible environmentalism.
Delete the personality or lack thereof of Al Gore from the debate. He is a politician that participated in a movie that examined the cause/effects of Global Warming.
The focus of the debate should be on credible peer-reviewed scientists - not politicians.
The bush Corporate friendly SC has just ruled in favor of corrupt corporations. The held that even though Charter Comm. engaged in bogus transactions to pad their books, the investors could not sue because the transactions were conducted in secret and the investors did not rely on the info. to invest. Sounds like kind of warped logic, with implications for ENron.
Ophelia Cagel
Posted January 15, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink
“Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth’s biomass”
Six Billion humans is a change in earth’s biomass.
So Ophelia,
Your solution - kill all the humans so the Earth will be a cooler place to live.
Or Ophelia, maybe you decide who lives and who dies.
The debate is OVER. The greatest source of untapped energy we have is conservation in it.
The forces of big fossil fuels are running ads wall to wall to try and get the Humbolt coal fire plant built. That’s a plant that will use KANSAS water and pollute KANSAS air to produce electricity for people skiing in Colorado. Write your state representative. Tell them NO to coal fire power plants.
But instead of believing the solid, peer-reviewed science, the deniers prefer to believe unqualified people, like a TV weather director.
From Hank Price’s “400″ list,
http://www.wbko.com/unclassified/1270907.html
“My biggest argument against putting the primary blame on humans for climate change is that it completely takes God out of the picture. It must have slipped these people’s minds that God created the heavens and the earth and has control over what’s going on. …
…
Okay, I am not a scientist – and I don’t have a college degree…”.
I’m no securities attorney, but it sounds like, reading the court’s syllabus, that the Court is following precedent and the statutes. It may be that the “blame” for being “corporate-friendly” is directed at the wrong place. Talk to Congress.
That’s just a brief reading, of the syllabus only. VT is the securities guy, I’ll defer to him.
No, just heard it on cnbc breaking news. Logically, though, if a business inflated its books with bogus transaction, the end result would show up in the financial statements on which investors do rely. The SC said it would be going beyond previous precedence, if it didn’t rule as it did.
Caveot Emptor!
I am looking at everything I can do to cut my electricity use. Kansas does not need more excess electrical energy. It is not the job of the state of Kansas and its people to give you our water to use and our air to pollute so that you can broker in excess electricity.
Build wind turbines. If you do not, the state of Kansas will. Your monopoly on power is at issue. I can just as easily send my smaller payment for electricity to the state as to you.
“No, science shouldn’t be politics. But it is, like it or not.”
This is unfortunately more true now than I think it should be.
What I am not sure about, is it that I just disagree more with the current politics influencing (in too many cases inhibiting) the work of science, or is it just more involved than ever before?
I’m sincerely not sure. Maybe it is something else, too.
JM writes that his pursuing a case in which I am named as a defendant is none of my business.
Listen, punk, and listen good.
This isn’t a game to me. You have two choices: either admit it’s just more RepubliKhansas BS or expect me to actually hire a lawyer and go after you hammer and tongs.
This isn’t a game. Words have meanings.
I will construe no answer on your part to mean that the lawsuit is on.
Think about the consequences of that very seriously before you answer.
This is a very good letter to the editor. This woman made some good points. For some reason, people have difficulty structuring their arguments when arguing against supporting the currently proposed immigration revisions. This lady made the argument pretty simple.
NOT printed in the Orange County Paper………………..
Newspapers simply won’t publish letters to the editor which they either deem politically incorrect (read below) or which does not agree with the philosophy they’re pushing on the public. This woman wrote a great letter to the editor that should have been published; but, with your help it will get published via cyberspace!
New Immigrants
From: “David LaBonte”
My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the editor of the OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So, I decided to “print” it myself by sending it out on the Internet. Pass it along if you feel so inclined.
Dave LaBonte (signed)
Written in response to a series of letters to the editor in the Orange County Register:
Dear Editor:
So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren’t being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.
Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like Mr. Lujan why today’s American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.
They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture.
Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity. Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy ,France and Japan . None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the United States of America as one people. When we liberated France, no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country’s flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.
And here we are in 2006 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I’m sorry, that’s not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900’s deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life . I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.
And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn’t start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.
I’ll answer that one for you cosmos. The programmer is plugging in formulas regarding the object. He doesn’t need to understand the formulas to put them into code.
SOL — Gore may use 12 times the energy of an “average” home… BUT — his home is at least FOUR TIMES the size of an average home, and aadditionally functions as an OFFICE as well as a Home… Too bad snopes.com wont let you cut and paste from their web site… But that is clearly stated in their article…
‘Al Gore Gets Gold On Tennessee Digs’ http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/12/al_gore_gets_go.php
“What’s new is that Gore has gotten LEED gold certification from the Green Building Council - the 10,000-square-foot home is one of only 14 in the U.S. to achieve this rating, and the only home in Tennessee that’s gotten any certification at all, according to the Associated Press.”
SOL — Bush’s house in TX is a mere 4,000 sq.ft. whereas Gore’s house is 10,000 sq. ft. ALSO, Bush’s house is of much newer construction than Gore’s old Mansion… While the snopes.com people say the comparison is true, there are mitigating factors which NEED to be listed, IF you want to imitate Fox News, and you want to present a “fair and balanced” picture of the two houses…
“IF you want to imitate Fox News, and you want to present a “fair and balanced”
LMFAO
Where the hell have you been? Fair and balanced? Fox News? Good one Chas, good one.
Most of the – well, a lot of the – houses here are 100 yrs or older. A lot of them are going to geo-thermal heat and using solar panels. Gore can’t afford it?
“energy use at the home decreased 11 percent during Tennessee’s sultriest months, ”
wooooooow!!! 11% decrease. Give that boy a gold start cosmos. And he got it all done by Dec 2007. When did his little documentary come out? When did he win his peace prize???
SOL — a lot of this “green” technology was obviously not available when Gore’s home was built… A lot of homes that exist arent built in such a way to do a whole lot to them… I know mine isnt… So, I have just put in more insulation, and I am looking into solar panels for heat… But beyond that, there isnt much I can do to the old place…
If everybody just does SOMEthing, it can make a huge dent in energy conservation!! What I cant do with my house, I make up for with my car… 3 cyl. 5-speed, 45-50 MPG…
How OLD is Bush’s Ranch House?? It sure isnt any where near 100 years old!! Geo-thermal heating/cooling is still relatively new, at least in an affordable format… Solar panels have been around for a good while… Also, please remember that a number of the things Bush’s house has could be considered a matter of security issues as well…
On my own home, the style of construction MIGHT not let me put in Solar heating…. It is hard to run the water pipes in wood frame construction with foam insulation in the outer walls… At least thats what i have been told…
CapnAmerica
Posted January 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm
“Listen, punk, and listen good.
This isn’t a game to me. You have two choices: either admit it’s just more RepubliKhansas BS or expect me to actually hire a lawyer and go after you hammer and tongs.”
Oh my gosh….it just makes me shake to hear you talk like that, you big brute.
What other childish tricks can you do?
And ummm Aghawk… if you hold your breath long enough, you might die from waiting!! LOL Awww but then your little sock puppet friends would all miss you!!
Would you look at that ADVERTISEMENT on the front page of the blog! Maybe if this becomes a money-making blog it will institute changes needed to prevent the nonsense we see too much of! Although I suspect the first affect will be a slower blog. Those ads that flash and move do slow things down!
““While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV’s,” Zweerink added.”
Actually, Hank, if you were paying attention you will note that CH4 HAS been mentioned frequently. It is a more potent greenhouse gas molecule-for-molecule than CO2. BOTH CH4 and CO2 are issues.
Just read speeches made by candidates in Michigan. Promising them the world. One said he’d pump 20 billion into the state. Another was all for that wonderful energy bill which will increase CAFE standards by 2022 to 35 MPG. Went on to say that would make Detroit GREAT again.
Bull sh@!. What the new wonderful CAFE standard will do is ensure I buy two more foreign made cars, to replace my now aging 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid (44 MPG). Yep. Detroit will be GREAT again in 2022!
But not hardly. By then, the competition will have even more amazing cars with even higher MPG. Why? BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE BUYING THEM LIKE HOTCAKES@! As more of us become energy conscience, or greedy like me (fuel economy directly affects my tight-wad pocketbook), we will demand higher energy efficiency MUCH SOONER than good ole Detroit will be making them.
And BTW, 35 MPG is 9 MPG less than I get today. Heck, my THIRD new car will probably be Japanese too!
Wow! You all see this? Hope she doesn’t bring up Kansas wines again.
“GOVERNOR SEBELIUS TO GIVE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE TO PRES. BUSH’S STATE OF THE UNION
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has been chosen to deliver the Democratic response to President Bush’s annual State of the Union Address on Jan.
28. The nationally televised response will give our governor and the state of Kansas a massive audience across the nation. Sebelius has generated national buzz by winning two terms in a traditionally Republican state and working rather effectively with a GOP dominated legislature. She is widely believed to have her eye on running for the U.S. Senate in 2010. She served recently as chairwoman of the Democratic Governors Association.”
Not sure I like that one Hank but trapping landfill gas (also methane) is a win-win. I would add another conflict I have had with Sierra Club - I favor trash incineration with energy recovery (WTE). My reasoning is multi-fold - but two of them are (a) displace another energy source and (b) decomposing garbage makes methan which is worse than CO2. The other half of the carbon from decomposition goes to CO2 so I amy as well get energy in the process.
From NBC’s Bethany Thomas
CHARLESTON, SC — In a conference call with reporters, members of John McCain’s South Carolina “Truth Squad” squashed accusations that went out in a South Carolina mailer earlier today. A group called the “Vietnam Veterans Against McCain” sent out a negative mailer to South Carolina depicting a cartoon of McCain sitting in a prison cell with writings on the wall that say, “Elect Me, Elect Me, POW for President” and “An Enormous Crime, The POWs I Helped Leave Behind.”
Ironic that this is in South Carolina. That is the state where Bush/Rove did the ‘fathered an illegitimate black child’ number on him.
What is your proposal for controlling methane from livestock, wetlands, tundra plains and swamps?
According to the Max Planct Institute:
“The largest anoxic sources of methane are wetlands and rice fields, as well as the digestion of ruminants and termites, waste disposal sites, and the gas produced by sewage treatment plants. According to previous estimates, these sources make up two-thirds of the 600 million tonnes worldwide annual methane production.” http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-01/m-tfm011006.php
Also, from the same Web Page:
“Scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics have now discovered that plants themselves produce methane and emit it into the atmosphere, even in completely normal, oxygen-rich surroundings. The researchers made the surprising discovery during an investigation of which gases are emitted by dead and fresh leaves. Then, in the laboratory and in the wild, the scientists looked at the release of gases from living plants like maize and ryegrass (see image 1). In this investigation, it turned out that living plants let out some 10 to 1000 times more methane than dead plant material. The researchers then were able to show that the rate of methane production grew drastically when the plants were exposed to the sun.”
So if living plants expel 10 to 1000 times more methan than dead plant material, how do you propose that humans control methane release?
PM — i figured it was gonna happen sooner than later that one of the neo cons would want to trash the constitution and replace it with the bible… what a terrible day that would be for this country!!
Hank - they are making a LOT of money on landfill gas all across the country. Like I said - a win-win. A caveat however - it should NOT be put in the pipeline for domestic use due to impurities. Use in a power plant of some sort. Unless scrubbed I guess but that gets expensive in a hurry.
Regular - there are a number of issues there - and yes, there is natural methane. One problem is that we are generating so much of that and other crud that we are overwhelming hydroxyl radical cleanup mechanism.
Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:19 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, Huckabee
From NBC/NJ’s Adam Aigner-Treworgy
“WARREN, Mich. — Huckabee’s closing argument to voters here this evening featured a few new stories and two prolonged sections on illegal immigration and Christian values.
These two topics usually feature prominently in Huckabee’s stump speech, but last night he got specific, promising to build a border fence within 18 months if elected and elaborating on his belief that the constitution needs to be amended.
“[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it’s a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards,” Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
Huckabee often refers to the need to amend the constitution on these grounds, but he has never so specifically called for the Constitution to be brought within “God’s standards,” which are themselves debated amongst religious scholars. As a closing statement he asked the room of nearly 500 supporters to “pray and then work hard, and in that order,” to help him secure a victory in Tuesday’s GOP primary.
Tomorrow Huckabee will visit two polling places in the morning before taking off for South Carolina where he will watch Mich
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Astronomer Dr. Jeff Zweerink of the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) studies gamma rays, black holes, and neutron stars and has declared himself a skeptic of man-made climate fears. “Many natural phenomena significantly affect the global climate. Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth’s biomass, for example,” Zweerink wrote on December 18, 2006. “While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV’s,” Zweerink added.
http://www.reasons.org/resources/in_the_news/20061218_global_warming.shtml
Dr. Jeff Zweerink is number 26.
Twenty six days in a row I have posted an example of various concerns that credible scientists have with AGW.
There is no ‘consensus’ associated with these scientists. They are not sponsored by the UN and have no need to agree at the end of the day.
Some don’t believe in GW. Some believe in GW but don’t think man has much to do with it. Some believe that man is probably causing it, but don’t think it’s much of a problem and not worth destroying our economy to try and fix.
I’ve brought 26 different independent opinions demonstrating that there is legitimate debate. cosmos has brought nada, siltch, nothing.
Score, 26 to nothing.
Too bad there is not a reasonable position in this argument that I can support. Scientists almost always disagree and want to know more, that is the nature of their business. But, there are times to when a general position is accepted by most and this general position guides the majority of their work - which is what I understand is the nature of this subject area - as at least as it has been explained to me by people I respect - Ben Huie is an example.
All we have is extremists posting on this subject in this venue and it is a shame, I think. :(
Why is it that Governor Sebelius nor any Representative did not touch on the Disposition of the Casino issue and the AG Morrison problem?? They seem so up beat about Casinos, yet they refuse to address the residents of Kansas on the issue?? Seems typical. Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com
Hank…it seems to me the biggest problem with GW is not a scientific argument but a political one. If it had been someone less politicized than Al Gore to highlight it, maybe it would have been more rationally discussed. But..the hard core Dems are buying into everything Al said, regardless of differeing scientific opinions. the old “my mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts” routine.
It seems that this has become the Y2K issue for this decade. But, this one is politicized, and anyone who doesn’t follow in Gore’s path is “the enemy”. Sad…working together could have produced some logical/practical analysis. But, once it becomes political, reason and rational go out the window.
Good morning Steven,
Then, from your post, can I assume that you believe debate on GW would be a good thing?
If you believe my position is extreme, lets be sure what it is.
I don’t believe Gore’s documentary should stand alone as the last word on GW. I believe there should be rational debate without impugning the motives of anyone that disagrees with the ‘consensus’.
Is that extreme?
I agree Taz. It’s the political part of the debate that bothers me.
That, and somehow I don’t believe that GW is necessarily a bad thing, even it it is happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxT0Nug1XqY
Pat Robertson on global warming
What’s good about global warming, Hank? My AC bill was out of sight last year…I may have to move to Alaska…maybe the scuba diving will be great once the glaciers melt?
If the conservatives are all at work, Pat..then what are you doing on the blog this morning?
maybe the scuba diving will be great once the glaciers melt?
I like your thinking Mary, there is not a really go place to dive within two hundred miles of here. And I do not have the money to go to the Med.
Gee, I see a bunch of neocons on the blog today. I’ll work at noon today (I lost a client- as in DIED, so I’m short on my Tuesday/Thursday time until I get reassigned).
Letter to the editor today stated that the CEO of Country Wide Mortgage will receive around 75 million in severence etc in the Bank of America buyout of CW. In the letter it points out that CW was at $40+ a year or so ago and is now around $6-7. How does that work — is there an severence per share ratio or calculation that is applied here. Is the rational that at one time CW was doing quite well, made a lot of money for share holders and through no fault of his it has tanked — so it’s not his fault? I want a job like that — I lose a couple billion dollars and I get more — hmmm sounds like Haliburton ….
Sorry for your loss Pmom…I’ve lost so many this month..two patients (one I took care of for almost 8 years) my nephew, and my brother in law. Seems like people die more in the winter. All it takes is a cold or other virus when someone’s immune system is weak. I’m about fed up with all the death…spring can’t get here quick enough for me.
“Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth’s biomass”
Six Billion humans is a change in earth’s biomass.
Wake up libs, the conservatives are all at work, making money to support your bloggin all day.
Come up with your own jokes, Herron.
Thanks Mary, and for your losses as well. It’s hard not to get so attached. But I’ve been doing that for years and I’m not willing to detach. My client we knew was terminal, but when she took that turn, she took it hard and fast. So in the big scheme of things it was probably better that way. 8 years is a long time with a client, I’ll bet that was a hard one for you. I often got really close to patients I had in the nursing home for years like that. And then some affect you the most in a short amount of time.
You are right though, winters are the worst time for sick people. I think it’s a bunch of factors. The holidays, the gloom, the indoor staleness, and of course the better breeding ground for organisms.
Just another interesting read. Highlights:
“On a first-lady goodwill tour of Asia in April 1995—the kind of banal trip that she now claims as part of her foreign-policy “experience”—Mrs. Clinton had been in Nepal and been briefly introduced to the late Sir Edmund Hillary, conqueror of Mount Everest. Ever ready to milk the moment, she announced that her mother had actually named her for this famous and intrepid explorer. The claim “worked” well enough to be repeated at other stops and even showed up in Bill Clinton’s memoirs almost a decade later, as one more instance of the gutsy tradition that undergirds the junior senator from New York.
Sen. Clinton was born in 1947, and Sir Edmund Hillary and his partner Tenzing Norgay did not ascend Mount Everest until 1953, so the story was self-evidently untrue and eventually yielded to fact-checking. Indeed, a spokeswoman for Sen. Clinton named Jennifer Hanley phrased it like this in a statement in October 2006, conceding that the tale was untrue but nonetheless charming: “It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add.”
Perfect. It worked, in other words, having been coined long after Sir Edmund became a bankable celebrity, but now its usefulness is exhausted and its untruth can safely be blamed on Mummy. Yet isn’t it all—all of it, every single episode and detail of the Clinton saga—exactly like that? And isn’t some of it a little bit more serious? For Sen. Clinton, something is true if it validates the myth of her striving and her “greatness” (her overweening ambition in other words) and only ceases to be true when it no longer serves that limitless purpose.”
Read the rest yourself:
“The Case Against Hillary Clinton -
Why on earth would we choose to put the Clinton family drama at the center of our politics again?”
http://slate.com/id/2182065
The Debate is over
Global Warming is not a crisis
Read about the debate and listen to the audio where the man made Global Warming Scientists including Dr. Gavin Schmidt loses a debate to a team headed by Dr. Richard Lindzen.
The debate was sponsored by National Public Radio (NPR).
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9082151
Sol:
This speaks to Ron Paul’s unfitness better than I can. A sample:
“Imagine this scenario. You are an elected representative of Congress and a pamphlet has been produced in your name on a monthly basis for three decades. It’s been written in the first person and makes frequent reference to your family and other biographical details. You admit to being aware of its existence. Do you a) attempt to have its publication stopped for fear of how it might damage your reputation; b) oversee every aspect of its production to ensure its vicarious fidelity to your own opinions and style of expressing them; c) take only a passing interest in its contents?
Ron Paul would have us believe c) is as convincing as a return to the gold standard. He said he doesn’t know who wrote the now-notorious newsletters that James Kirchick painstakingly exposed and reprinted in the New Republic last week—they were titled Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report—but it sure as hell wasn’t him and he’d been over this before, when he ran for the House of Representatives in 1996 and a few choice selections from the newsletters found their way into the Texas press.”
And this:
“A common refrain of his apologists is that nothing in the excavated hate-rags sounds at all like their man. While one may not agree with Paul’s plans to abolish the Federal Reserve or withdraw all U.S. troops from foreign soil, they argue, one has to admit that Paul puts his case for these policies rationally and without resorting to black helicopter-type hysterics.
In some instances, however, the newsletters conform to this justification. Consider this almost unnervingly controlled notice about David Duke’s Louisiana primary victory in November 1990:
“David Duke received 44% of the vote in the Senate primary race in Louisiana, 60% of the white vote, and 9% of the black vote!. This totaled 100,000 more votes than the current governor when he won.
[…]
Duke’s platform called for tax cuts, no quotes, no affirmative action, no welfare, and no busing. “Tonight we concede the election,” he said, “But we will never concede our fight for equal rights for all Americans.”
To many voters, this seems like just plain good sense. Duke carried baggage from his past, but the voters were willing to overlook that. And if he had been afforded the forgiveness an ex-communist gets, he might have won.
Liberals like Richard Cohen of the Washington Post say he got so many votes because Louisianians were racists and ignorant. Baloney.
David Broder, also of the Post, and equally liberal, writing on an entirely different subject, had it right: “No one wants to talk about [race] publicly, but if you ask any campaign consultant or pollster privately, you can confirm the sad reality that a great many working-class and middle-class white Americans are far less hostile to the rich and their tax breaks than they are to the poor and minorities with their welfare and affirmative-action programs.”
Liberals are notoriously blind to the sociological effects of their own programs. David Duke was hurt by his past. How many more Dukes are there waiting in the wings without such a taint?”
There are no raving redneck sermons here—only sinister rationalizations for them. (In a slightly different context, and forgetting who the subject was, we might have seen such a contrarian squib in the pages of The New Republic.) That early reminder that 9% of blacks actually turned out for a former grand wizard of the KKK is meant to downplay Duke’s racist appeal—“baggage from his past”—and suggest that, in every other respect, he was seen as a viable candidate by even the least likely demographic. Similarly, the analogy between Duke and an ex-communist running for public office hints at an understanding of his controversial past, which the author is, to all outward appearances, reluctant to embrace. (Paul has argued that his convictions prevent him from being a racist because racism, like communism, is a “collectivist” enterprise.) The writer also credits the liberal David Broder in order flout the conventional wisdom about race discourse in America. Besides, Duke has got more interesting things to talk about than white supremacy—“tax cuts, no quotes, no affirmative action, no welfare, and no busing.”
Read it all for yourself:
http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/ron_paul_1.php
GMC — most enlightening… But — why havent we heard anything to this effect long before now? How did this kind of racial bias remain hidden for so many years??
Does the NAACP often support white racists? GMC I thought you were smarter than this. Alas you have proven me wrong.
Austin NAACP President Defends Ron Paul
“Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been under a vicious smear attack by opponents for charges of racism. The charge appears to be completely unfounded and Paul continues to advocate individual freedom.
The Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder came to Paul’s defense. Linder said that Paul is not a racist and said, “Lets face it Ron Paul is a thinker and he’s also a Constitutionalist”. He continued, “I like Ron Paul personally, I like what he’s saying, I think he’s sincere and I think he’s correct in what he’s saying”.
http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=227844
NAACP President: Ron Paul Is Not A Racist
Linder says Paul being smeared because he is a threat to the establishment
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Sunday, January 13, 2008
Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.
Linder joined Alex Jones for two segments on his KLBJ Sunday show this evening, during which he commented on the controversy created by media hit pieces that attempted to tarnish Paul as a racist by making him culpable for decades old newsletter articles written by other people.
“Knowing Ron Paul’s intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that….so I think it’s very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that’s what I’m hearing,” said Linder.
“Knowing Ron Paul and having talked to him, I think he’s a very fair guy I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the Libertarian platform,” he added.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article1134.html
New Strain of MRSA Spreads Among Gay Men
“A new, highly drug-resistant strain of MRSA, or methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, has moved outside hospitals and is now spreading among gay men, researchers reported Monday.
Some of the hardest hit areas are San Francisco, Boston, New York and Los Angeles, according to a San Francisco Chronicle report.
Click here to read the San Francisco Chronicle story.
In regards to San Francisco, the study found sexually active gay men are 13 times more likely to be infected than the general population.
“We probably had it here first, and now it is spreading elsewhere,” said Binh An Diep, a researcher at San Francisco General Hospital and lead author of the report, in a news release. “This is a national problem, and San Francisco is at the epicenter.”
Although researchers have stopped short of declaring this form of staph a sexually transmitted disease, the infections are found where skin-to-skin contact occurs during sexual activity.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), MRSA is responsible for about 19,000 deaths annually in America — most of which occur in the hospital.”
The findings appear online in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.” Fox News
JamesM.–
What did your attorney say about the lawsuit you plan on filing against The Eagle and some of its bloggers?
Chas:
I suspect because 1) He’s now running for president - until this year he’s been nothing but a contrarian and slightly loopy Texas Congressman, and 2) reporters are lazy. These newsletters predate the electronic database age, and are not online. You have to hunt them down in print.
Sol: Because the local Texas NAALCP head is gullible (or bought) doesn’t mean I have to be. And “prisonplanet” on the web is whack-job central, loaded with “9/11 truther” balony and other half-truths and certified nonsense. Nolanchart isn’t much better.
Hank Price posted January 14, 2008 at 1:59 pm
“Many of the IPCC scientists are not climatologists. Many of the IPCC scientists that are included in the ‘concensus’ have had second thoughts and no longer wish to back the IPCC report.”
Dear Hank Price,
Really??? Okay, a simple challenge Hank — let’s see you back up those 2 claims.
The contributors of Working Group 1 are listed in the annex at,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
1) Tell us which of those not climate scientists.
2) Which of them no longer “back the IPCC report”.
Or… admit that you are wrong.
While you’re at it, list what is scientifically wrong with the papers listed in the “References”, for example at the end of Chaper 2.
GMC,
Here is the contact information for the Austin NAACP. Why don’t you express your concerns? I mean if you think someone was paid off, that should be of some interest would it not?
Contact Information
Posted on January 3rd, 2008 in State Office by admin
The address for the state office is 1107 E llth St. Suite A, Austin Texas, 78702. Our contact numbers are:
(512) 322-9547 Office
(512) 322-0757 Fax
Betting you don’t have the balls to reproduce what you wrote to the president of the NAACP.
And as for website validity, I’m sure Pajamas Media is your epitome of journalism.
CapnAmerica,
That would be none of your business.
Attorneys have their own schedules, they don’t stop what they are doing just because I show up.
Hank Price posted January 15, 2008 at 6:13 am
“While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV’s,” Zweerink added.”
Zweerink believes that Al Gore is not an “activist”.
Al Gore also focuses on livestock,
http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/whatyoucando/index4.html
“Eat less meat
Methane is the second most significant greenhouse gas and cows are one of the greatest methane emitters.”
Livestock is also at end of AIT film, and pages 317, 318 of book.
A high-meat diet also produces very large amounts of CO2, and causes deforestation (clearing and burning, for grazing land).
“A high-meat diet also produces very large amounts of CO2, and causes deforestation”
—————–
Now, I admit I’ve had some really bad gas, but nothing like that!
outlander,
“causes deforestation (clearing and burning, for grazing land).”
26 to nothing cosmos. You got nothing.
Dear cosmos,
The first ‘consensus scientist’ from yor list of 600 is not a climatologist.
26 to nothing cosmos. You got nothing.
Hank Price posted January 15, 2008 at 6:13 am
“Many natural phenomena significantly affect the global climate. Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth’s biomass, for example,” Zweerink wrote on December 18, 2006.
Dear Hank,
Please give examples showing how the above three factors have caused the observed warming since the 1970’s.
For example, which continents have moved significantly since 1970?
Does Hank Price consider humans destroying rain forests a “natural phenomena”?
Dear Hank Price,
ACHUTARAO, Krishna
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, USA
http://web.iitd.ac.in/~akrishna/
http://web.iitd.ac.in/~akrishna/publications.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080114134505AAzHGGS
Why are the Republicans scared of Ron Paul?
Paul is the only candidate who is a conservative. His economics scare the Republican party, and they scare the living you know what out of them. He wants to fix our economy not make it worse. He raises very good questions. Upon doing this, he has been subject to the machine of politics who want to make him out to be a lunatic.
McCain = Status Quo, will give all illegals a pass if he could, stay in Iraq indefinitely until we all our broke.
Guiliani = 9/11 want-a-be hero, what does marriage mean to him?
Huckabee = Close to Paul in wanting to fix our country, but will keep the foregin policy the same.
Romney = For big business only, does not care about the working class, has strong points though on immigration.
Thompson = Snipes at everyone, does not introduce anything he would do, good at point out the weaknesses, an arm chair QB
Big foot, UFOs, global warming, Easter Bunny.
Why are conservatives so afraid of being responsible stewards of the Earth? According to most, God gave us dominion over His creation - that means we have a responsibility to ensure that the Earth remains a viable entity.
So, how does environmentalism fly in the face of conservatism?
“I am leaving this blog and will not be back.”
Annie the deciding factor for me as to why I will not vote for Ron Paul: He has no foreign policy except that he will not protect us against outside attacks. He will talk with the instigators. We would all be toast by the time he gets them to the table. The world in which we live can’t be ran in this way. Sad but true.
‘The Consensus on Global Warming: From Science to Industry & Religion’
http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm
“An Inconvenient Paranoia”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={CEF3E658-C92B-458C-A5C4-0BB768109A3C}
I went to the links earlier, cosmos. Looks to liike to me ol’ Krishna is a computer programer.
If I write a computer program for a banker does that make me a banker?
26 to nothing cosmos. You got nothing.
Good morning Clark,
You continually seem to ask questions that have a false premise.
“So, how does environmentalism fly in the face of conservatism?”
I guess that before I can address this question I’d have to aggree with the premise. I don’t.
Most conservatives are good stewards of the earth.
As a conservative my question would be:
“How does using environmental issues for purely political gain make you a good steward of the earth?”
The liberal patron saint of environmentalism is a perfect example. Al Gore is all talk when it comes to the environment but in reality he is one of the biggest abusers of the earth.
Greenspan goes to work for hedge fund that strongly profited from the real estate collapse, Country wide ceo makes tens of millions from buy out. The market will richly reward performance, even if it is disasterous performance.
“Most conservatives are good stewards of the earth.”
Really, Mr. Price? So some examples of Republican policies that prove that point.
And this statement is patently false…….
“You continually seem to ask questions that have a false premise.”
By the way, care to answer my question as to how the GOP plans to pay down the National Debt?
Hank Price posted January 15, 2008 at 11:19 am
“I went to the links earlier, cosmos. Looks to liike to me ol’ Krishna is a computer programer.”
So if Hank Price writes a book about dog training, it proves that he knows nothing about dogs. Hank only knows how to arrange sentences, paragraphs, and chapters, into a book. /sarcasm OFF
http://web.iitd.ac.in/~akrishna/publications.html
WS last week I took a test that was in the Eagle to see if I was ‘green’. I failed and I drive a Prius, keep my utilities turned no higher that 68 in the winter and no lower than 76 in the summer.
It would be interesting to see what Al Gores score was. I know I do much better than he would and he is the GW spokesman. He also makes a great deal of money off the movement.
It is no wonder that people are doubtful when he expresses something as gospel.
I would invite the GWers here to take the test and see what is expected of you. I bet none of you are doing things right. It is impossible unless you live in a large metro area.
My contribution to being “green” is using The Eagle as bird cage liner….then toilet paper. Then I donate that to the homeless for their turn at it.
It’s like the movie “Groundhog Day” when WE Blog gets into the global warming debate.
First the Cons complain that there’s no such thing as global warming.
Evidence is presented which proves global warming is real.
Then the Cons admit global warming exists but claim human activity has nothing to do with it.
Evidence is presented which proves that fossil fuels are serious contributers to greenhouse gasses and global warming.
Then the Cons alleged that global warming is a good thing.
Evidence overwhelms them with the disasterous consequences of continued global warming.
Then there’s a snow storm of a cold snap and the Cons claim there’s no such thing as global warming.
And it all starts up again…
Good chance of snow tomorrow by the way. So everbody get prepared to bitch about some aspect of that.
More fun from the NYT opinion page. this is what happens when identity politics clashes head on with identity politics:
“Clinton wants to have it both ways. She wants to be emblematic of her gender and liberated from race and gender politics. As she told Tim Russert on Sunday: “You have a woman running to break the highest and hardest glass ceiling. I don’t think either of us wants to inject race or gender in this campaign. We’re running as individuals.”
Huh?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/opinion/15brooks.html?ex=1358139600&en=d6425b0148edd576&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
And a snippet of why at this point I’ll support Thompson:
“A woman asked him if he would “as a Christian, as a conservative” continue President Bush’s programs to combat global AIDS.
“Christ didn’t tell us to go to the government and pass a bill to get some of these social problems dealt with. He told us to do it,” Thompson said.
“The government has its role, but we need to keep firmly in mind the role of the government, and the role of us as individuals and as Christians on the other.” ”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/12/politics/fromtheroad/entry3704820.shtml
Go Fred.
“and he is the GW spokesman.”
Much of the debate around Global Climate Change is focused on the personality of Al Gore. That is just a convenient strawman. Al Gore is NOT the spokesperson for GW. He is a private citizen that has express concerns and has chosen to further the cause of responsible environmentalism.
Delete the personality or lack thereof of Al Gore from the debate. He is a politician that participated in a movie that examined the cause/effects of Global Warming.
The focus of the debate should be on credible peer-reviewed scientists - not politicians.
Science is not politics.
The bush Corporate friendly SC has just ruled in favor of corrupt corporations. The held that even though Charter Comm. engaged in bogus transactions to pad their books, the investors could not sue because the transactions were conducted in secret and the investors did not rely on the info. to invest. Sounds like kind of warped logic, with implications for ENron.
“Science is not politics.”
Neither is it “concensus.”
No, science shouldn’t be politics. But it is, like it or not.
Ophelia Cagel
Posted January 15, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink
“Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth’s biomass”
Six Billion humans is a change in earth’s biomass.
So Ophelia,
Your solution - kill all the humans so the Earth will be a cooler place to live.
Or Ophelia, maybe you decide who lives and who dies.
Hank Price
Posted January 15, 2008 at 11:25 am
Most conservatives are good stewards of the earth.
Yeah, they leave alone what they can’t steal, kill, burn, pillage, or use to pay somebody off.
How’s it going, Hank? Beautiful day today…we better enjoy before global cooling starts tomorrow.
Out of here for now - have to do some wiring work and cable running for my daughter - back later.
While I am gone, could you Republicans get together and come up with a plan to pay down the National Debt and fund the mandates?
I would be interested in your responses.
Jeez, imagine that, a fiscal responsible Democrat asking the GOP’ers for their plan.
Who wudda thunk?
Actually, Phantom, if the ruling is as you have summarized, it sounds consistent with precedent in the corporate law world. Do you have a link?
The debate is OVER. The greatest source of untapped energy we have is conservation in it.
The forces of big fossil fuels are running ads wall to wall to try and get the Humbolt coal fire plant built. That’s a plant that will use KANSAS water and pollute KANSAS air to produce electricity for people skiing in Colorado. Write your state representative. Tell them NO to coal fire power plants.
Coal is a beautiful thing. I say use it.
Dear Rep,
Dig it, use it, burn it.
Thanks,
Joe Consumer
GMC70 posted January 15, 2008 at 11:55 am
“No, science shouldn’t be politics. But it is, like it or not.”
Science is about science — policy is about politics.
‘The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
Naomi Oreskes’
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/306/5702/1686
But instead of believing the solid, peer-reviewed science, the deniers prefer to believe unqualified people, like a TV weather director.
From Hank Price’s “400″ list,
http://www.wbko.com/unclassified/1270907.html
“My biggest argument against putting the primary blame on humans for climate change is that it completely takes God out of the picture. It must have slipped these people’s minds that God created the heavens and the earth and has control over what’s going on. …
…
Okay, I am not a scientist – and I don’t have a college degree…”.
VT - the case, Stonebridge investment v. Scientific-Atlanta, can be found here:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/06-43.pdf
comment here:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/
I’m no securities attorney, but it sounds like, reading the court’s syllabus, that the Court is following precedent and the statutes. It may be that the “blame” for being “corporate-friendly” is directed at the wrong place. Talk to Congress.
That’s just a brief reading, of the syllabus only. VT is the securities guy, I’ll defer to him.
No, just heard it on cnbc breaking news. Logically, though, if a business inflated its books with bogus transaction, the end result would show up in the financial statements on which investors do rely. The SC said it would be going beyond previous precedence, if it didn’t rule as it did.
Caveot Emptor!
Dear Westar
I am looking at everything I can do to cut my electricity use. Kansas does not need more excess electrical energy. It is not the job of the state of Kansas and its people to give you our water to use and our air to pollute so that you can broker in excess electricity.
Dear JR,
Thank you for conserving. There are many thing one can do to conserve. Computers use electricity. We suggest shutting yours down.
Thank you,
Westar - Your Friendly Evil Big Power Corp.
Dear Westar,
Thank you for kicking ass during storms and keeping power on.
Signed,
Not an idgit.
Dear Westar
Build wind turbines. If you do not, the state of Kansas will. Your monopoly on power is at issue. I can just as easily send my smaller payment for electricity to the state as to you.
“No, science shouldn’t be politics. But it is, like it or not.”
This is unfortunately more true now than I think it should be.
What I am not sure about, is it that I just disagree more with the current politics influencing (in too many cases inhibiting) the work of science, or is it just more involved than ever before?
I’m sincerely not sure. Maybe it is something else, too.
Ksgrm posted January 15, 2008 at 11:34 am
“It is no wonder that people are doubtful when he expresses something as gospel.”
Instead of straw man, ad hominem attacks on Al Gore, why don’t you attack the science in IPCC’s report?
Have you even read it?
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
JM writes that his pursuing a case in which I am named as a defendant is none of my business.
Listen, punk, and listen good.
This isn’t a game to me. You have two choices: either admit it’s just more RepubliKhansas BS or expect me to actually hire a lawyer and go after you hammer and tongs.
This isn’t a game. Words have meanings.
I will construe no answer on your part to mean that the lawsuit is on.
Think about the consequences of that very seriously before you answer.
“Listen punk and listen good.”
Hahahahahah…that gave me shivers of the Dirty Harry style. Not really…but it did make me laugh.
Racist? How so? Please explain to us.
DNFTT, Chas.
Thank you,
The Management
CapnAmerica,
Up yours - sideways
That’s code for “Do Not Feed The Troll”
Clever. SO, I guess “troll” means one that mocks your BS.
Dear Hank Price,
Please write a computer program that models all aspects of an object thrown by a catapult.
Include the effects of catapult settings, shape/density of object, wind speed and direction, elevation of target zone, etc.
When you have done that, are you just a “computer programer”, who knows nothing about objects thrown by a catapult?
CapnAmerica,
No details of the case have been revealed, who will be involved and who won’t be.
If you have paranoia about it, then that’s your problem, not mine.
Attorney-client privilege, you may have heard of it.
Also, DNFTT means “Damn, someone’s calling BS on our BS and we can’t defend it so we quit.”
I called it.
ORANGE COUNTY (CALIFORNIA ) NEWSPAPER
This is a very good letter to the editor. This woman made some good points. For some reason, people have difficulty structuring their arguments when arguing against supporting the currently proposed immigration revisions. This lady made the argument pretty simple.
NOT printed in the Orange County Paper………………..
Newspapers simply won’t publish letters to the editor which they either deem politically incorrect (read below) or which does not agree with the philosophy they’re pushing on the public. This woman wrote a great letter to the editor that should have been published; but, with your help it will get published via cyberspace!
New Immigrants
From: “David LaBonte”
My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the editor of the OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So, I decided to “print” it myself by sending it out on the Internet. Pass it along if you feel so inclined.
Dave LaBonte (signed)
Written in response to a series of letters to the editor in the Orange County Register:
Dear Editor:
So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren’t being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.
Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like Mr. Lujan why today’s American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.
They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture.
Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity. Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy ,France and Japan . None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the United States of America as one people. When we liberated France, no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country’s flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.
And here we are in 2006 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I’m sorry, that’s not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900’s deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life . I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.
And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn’t start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.
(signed) Rosemary LaBonte
Okay, that’s the way you’re going to play it, eh?
Big mistake for you.
heh
The only thing worries me is JM will confront me in public and assault me with his wrist canes and used depends undergarments.
I’ll answer that one for you cosmos. The programmer is plugging in formulas regarding the object. He doesn’t need to understand the formulas to put them into code.
I think that’s another point for Team Hank.
Tsk…..see JR mocking the handicapped. Shameful.
Yup. The “Rosemary LaBonte” is an urban legend.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/newimmigrants.asp
SOB: “The programmer is plugging in formulas regarding the object. He doesn’t need to understand the formulas to put them into code.”
But if the programmer is a climate scientist, many of the “formulas” do not exist. S/he has to develop (read “understand”) the “formulas”.
Hank loses… again.
You said “If”
Regular posted January 15, 2008 at 9:07 am
“The Debate is over”
Too bad Lindzen cannot write any credible science to back up his claims.
But his many years of being a denier has polished his speaking (and writing) skills, especially to a non-scientific audience.
Looks like Team Hank is the winner.
Please pick up your plaque. Congratulations.
Al gore, Defender of the Environment, yet his house uses 12x the amount of energy than average…
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp
Al gore or George Bush? Who is more eco-friendly?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
Lindzen doesn’t need to write anything to your approval cosmos.
You’re just sore cosmos because Clinton, Gore and 95 members of the Senate didn’t ratify the Kyoto Treaty.
That’s three Aces to your Joker cosmos.
Yes SOB… there are programmers who do not work in the climate science field.
….but there are plenty of agenda-ites who DO work in the “global warming” field….if you can call it a field.
SOL — Gore may use 12 times the energy of an “average” home… BUT — his home is at least FOUR TIMES the size of an average home, and aadditionally functions as an OFFICE as well as a Home… Too bad snopes.com wont let you cut and paste from their web site… But that is clearly stated in their article…
‘Al Gore Gets Gold On Tennessee Digs’
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/12/al_gore_gets_go.php
“What’s new is that Gore has gotten LEED gold certification from the Green Building Council - the 10,000-square-foot home is one of only 14 in the U.S. to achieve this rating, and the only home in Tennessee that’s gotten any certification at all, according to the Associated Press.”
Regular,
Lindzen needs to write to the approval of his peers… but he cannot.
SOL — Bush’s house in TX is a mere 4,000 sq.ft. whereas Gore’s house is 10,000 sq. ft. ALSO, Bush’s house is of much newer construction than Gore’s old Mansion… While the snopes.com people say the comparison is true, there are mitigating factors which NEED to be listed, IF you want to imitate Fox News, and you want to present a “fair and balanced” picture of the two houses…
So. . .cosmos, are you ready to concede the point that a scientist need not be a ‘climatologist’ to have a credible opinion on GW?
Number two on your list does’t appear to be a ‘climatologist’ either. Is he even ‘peer reviewed’?
Or it could be that the Green Building Council, a non-profit agency, is getting a big fat donation from Gore’s Carbon Credit Trading firm.
Lawsuits??? We dont need no steenkin lawsuits!!
LOL
“IF you want to imitate Fox News, and you want to present a “fair and balanced”
LMFAO
Where the hell have you been? Fair and balanced? Fox News? Good one Chas, good one.
Most of the – well, a lot of the – houses here are 100 yrs or older. A lot of them are going to geo-thermal heat and using solar panels. Gore can’t afford it?
Treehugger.com Of course.
Dear Hank,
Newt Gingrich says we must cut carbon emissions.
He did it on the Rush Limbaugh show.
Rush says Americans WANT smaller more fuel efficient cars. Rush says Newt is just responding to popular acclaim as to addressing global warming.
Rush is not happy about it. He is borderline rabid even.
But there it is.
Now this is not a call for you to surrender. It’s a call for you to join in on doing what is right.
I heard “America the Beautiful” when I read that last post. Sniff.
Dear Hank Price,
I’m ready to state what is very obvious.
Hank Price does not understand the methodology of science, and he does not understand climate science.
SOL — Have you missed the various news items that have already reported on the things Gore is planning on doing to make his Mansion “green”??
And of course, my reference to Fox News is most definitely intended to be fully sarcastic!! As you so keenly noticed!!! LOL
Chas,
Gore has done the work on his home. See my 1:36 PM link (AP report)
OHHH OK Thanks Cosmos… I missed that post!! I knew he was planning on doing work, but wasnt sure when!! Thanks again!!
JimmyMac,
Also, FYI, the U.S. Senate does not do peer-reviewed climate science.
“energy use at the home decreased 11 percent during Tennessee’s sultriest months, ”
wooooooow!!! 11% decrease. Give that boy a gold start cosmos. And he got it all done by Dec 2007. When did his little documentary come out? When did he win his peace prize???
SOL — a lot of this “green” technology was obviously not available when Gore’s home was built… A lot of homes that exist arent built in such a way to do a whole lot to them… I know mine isnt… So, I have just put in more insulation, and I am looking into solar panels for heat… But beyond that, there isnt much I can do to the old place…
If everybody just does SOMEthing, it can make a huge dent in energy conservation!! What I cant do with my house, I make up for with my car… 3 cyl. 5-speed, 45-50 MPG…
“a lot of this “green” technology was obviously not available when Gore’s home was built…”
LMAO
Ok Chas. So how was Bush’s ranch built with geo-thermal? The 100+ houses here are going geo-thermal and solar.
Keep trying chas.
100+ year old houses…
How OLD is Bush’s Ranch House?? It sure isnt any where near 100 years old!! Geo-thermal heating/cooling is still relatively new, at least in an affordable format… Solar panels have been around for a good while… Also, please remember that a number of the things Bush’s house has could be considered a matter of security issues as well…
Hey I just heard on the radio that Wolf Creek nuclear power plant has been offline for 5 days.
Obviously, this isn’t big news. My just now knowing about it?
Now I’ve heard of no power shortages. Nobody is in the dark.
So…
Just why would we need an expansion of the coal fire power plant in Holcomb?
On my own home, the style of construction MIGHT not let me put in Solar heating…. It is hard to run the water pipes in wood frame construction with foam insulation in the outer walls… At least thats what i have been told…
Admit the obvious? So. . .is that a yes, cosmos?
Ready to concede that scientist doesn’t have to be a climatologist to have a valid opinion on GW?
Oh, by the way, #3 on your list of IPCC ‘concensus scientists’ doesn’t seem to be a climatologist either.
nimrod
Dear Hank Price,
Are you going to answer the 2nd part of my 10:18 AM challenge?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-115/#comment-274014
“2) Which of them no longer “back the IPCC report”.”
You made the claim yesterday, so post their names now.
And we are still waiting for your answers to my 10:36 AM post,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-115/#comment-274025
Global warming is a myth.
Global warming is a myth.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-115/#comment-274273
Attention Bloggers!! DNFTT
So all those melting icecaps and glaciers are just a myth, right, SOB?
The only question regarding GW is whether it is completely man-made or is it just PARTIALLY man-made.
Any other comment is just denial.
Hank is gonna be like one of those Japanese soldiers left on an island who missed the end of World War II.
That or a little kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and goes “lalalalalalala”.
DNPATWS.
Yellow #5.
Chas.
Posted January 15, 2008 at 2:32 pm
“So, I have just put in more insulation, and I am looking into solar panels for heat.”
Right…hope ya don’t mind if I don’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen, ha.
WSCLARK,
Science shows that the last 30 years of warming is mostly man-made.
The future will be interesting, as additional “natural” positive feedbacks increase the warming triggered by humans.
That will be “naturally”(sic) caused, but it would not have happened, if humans had not caused the initial warming.
Chas,
An interesting idea re radiant floor heating — on warm/hot days, run the incoming cold tap water thru the radiant floor tubing.
That helps cool the house a little, plus adds a little heat to the water going into the water heater.
CapnAmerica
Posted January 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm
“Listen, punk, and listen good.
This isn’t a game to me. You have two choices: either admit it’s just more RepubliKhansas BS or expect me to actually hire a lawyer and go after you hammer and tongs.”
Oh my gosh….it just makes me shake to hear you talk like that, you big brute.
What other childish tricks can you do?
Interesting idea Cosmos… I will add that to my list…
AgHawk?? How the hell would you know what I am planning at my house?? Idiot!!
And ummm Aghawk… if you hold your breath long enough, you might die from waiting!! LOL Awww but then your little sock puppet friends would all miss you!!
Huckabee should be completely knocked out of the race after this comment:
Wants to change the constitution to reflect the bible.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html
Would you look at that ADVERTISEMENT on the front page of the blog! Maybe if this becomes a money-making blog it will institute changes needed to prevent the nonsense we see too much of! Although I suspect the first affect will be a slower blog. Those ads that flash and move do slow things down!
““While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV’s,” Zweerink added.”
Actually, Hank, if you were paying attention you will note that CH4 HAS been mentioned frequently. It is a more potent greenhouse gas molecule-for-molecule than CO2. BOTH CH4 and CO2 are issues.
PM -
Wow. Just wow. How could Huckabee say that . . .
Huck, you have heard of the 1st amendment, haven’t you? Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, etc.?
Wow. He will NOT be the nominee.
“have two choices: either admit it’s just more RepubliKhansas BS or”
Wow! The Capn is certainly obsessed with the ole Kansas. Don’t you ever get tired of posting all that crap? I sure get tired of scrolling over it.
Just read speeches made by candidates in Michigan. Promising them the world. One said he’d pump 20 billion into the state. Another was all for that wonderful energy bill which will increase CAFE standards by 2022 to 35 MPG. Went on to say that would make Detroit GREAT again.
Bull sh@!. What the new wonderful CAFE standard will do is ensure I buy two more foreign made cars, to replace my now aging 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid (44 MPG). Yep. Detroit will be GREAT again in 2022!
But not hardly. By then, the competition will have even more amazing cars with even higher MPG. Why? BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE BUYING THEM LIKE HOTCAKES@! As more of us become energy conscience, or greedy like me (fuel economy directly affects my tight-wad pocketbook), we will demand higher energy efficiency MUCH SOONER than good ole Detroit will be making them.
And BTW, 35 MPG is 9 MPG less than I get today. Heck, my THIRD new car will probably be Japanese too!
Hey Ben,
I’ve been paying attention. Just looks like I was sleepin’.
Here’s an article I read on Bloomberg a while back. Looks like methane may be a future investment opportunity!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aiUsVKaqDA7g&refer=japan
Linda, I just hope they don’t put another Scholfield Honda ad here!
Dear Hank Price,
We are still waiting for your answers…
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-115/#comment-274264
Wow! You all see this? Hope she doesn’t bring up Kansas wines again.
“GOVERNOR SEBELIUS TO GIVE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE TO PRES. BUSH’S STATE OF THE UNION
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has been chosen to deliver the Democratic response to President Bush’s annual State of the Union Address on Jan.
28. The nationally televised response will give our governor and the state of Kansas a massive audience across the nation. Sebelius has generated national buzz by winning two terms in a traditionally Republican state and working rather effectively with a GOP dominated legislature. She is widely believed to have her eye on running for the U.S. Senate in 2010. She served recently as chairwoman of the Democratic Governors Association.”
Not sure I like that one Hank but trapping landfill gas (also methane) is a win-win. I would add another conflict I have had with Sierra Club - I favor trash incineration with energy recovery (WTE). My reasoning is multi-fold - but two of them are (a) displace another energy source and (b) decomposing garbage makes methan which is worse than CO2. The other half of the carbon from decomposition goes to CO2 so I amy as well get energy in the process.
The Swift-Boating of McCain has begun:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/15/580851.aspx
MCCAIN COMBATS NEGATIVE SC MAILER
From NBC’s Bethany Thomas
CHARLESTON, SC — In a conference call with reporters, members of John McCain’s South Carolina “Truth Squad” squashed accusations that went out in a South Carolina mailer earlier today. A group called the “Vietnam Veterans Against McCain” sent out a negative mailer to South Carolina depicting a cartoon of McCain sitting in a prison cell with writings on the wall that say, “Elect Me, Elect Me, POW for President” and “An Enormous Crime, The POWs I Helped Leave Behind.”
Ironic that this is in South Carolina. That is the state where Bush/Rove did the ‘fathered an illegitimate black child’ number on him.
Ben,
What is your proposal for controlling methane from livestock, wetlands, tundra plains and swamps?
According to the Max Planct Institute:
“The largest anoxic sources of methane are wetlands and rice fields, as well as the digestion of ruminants and termites, waste disposal sites, and the gas produced by sewage treatment plants. According to previous estimates, these sources make up two-thirds of the 600 million tonnes worldwide annual methane production.”
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-01/m-tfm011006.php
Also, from the same Web Page:
“Scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics have now discovered that plants themselves produce methane and emit it into the atmosphere, even in completely normal, oxygen-rich surroundings. The researchers made the surprising discovery during an investigation of which gases are emitted by dead and fresh leaves. Then, in the laboratory and in the wild, the scientists looked at the release of gases from living plants like maize and ryegrass (see image 1). In this investigation, it turned out that living plants let out some 10 to 1000 times more methane than dead plant material. The researchers then were able to show that the rate of methane production grew drastically when the plants were exposed to the sun.”
So if living plants expel 10 to 1000 times more methan than dead plant material, how do you propose that humans control methane release?
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Political_mama that is a DEVASTATING catch.
maybe
Has anyone heard audio or seen video of Huckabee saying that? I would think it would be all over TV.
If this is true? Huckabee is done.
Hey Ben,
I know a geologist here in Wichita that has as one of her jobs drilling test wells in the Hutchinson landfill and tapping the methane.
She assures me that they can recover enough to make it economically viable. I do know they are spending boucou money on the research.
PM — i figured it was gonna happen sooner than later that one of the neo cons would want to trash the constitution and replace it with the bible… what a terrible day that would be for this country!!
I’ve always thought that the original push polls in SC were the work of McCain supporters in order to gain sympathy for him.
It allows the campaign to draw attention to he fact that he was a ‘war hero’ without looking like a publicity hound.
The push polls were despicable in 2000, these POW mailers are even worse. No evidence that either are due to rivals in the campaign.
This SHOULD be all over TV.
Americans will let alot of statements go. But saying you are going to write your religion into the Constitution?
Hey GMC?
Could he even DO that without the Amendment process? I though alterations to the Constitution was pretty set in stone.
it would take an amendment JR
Hank - they are making a LOT of money on landfill gas all across the country. Like I said - a win-win. A caveat however - it should NOT be put in the pipeline for domestic use due to impurities. Use in a power plant of some sort. Unless scrubbed I guess but that gets expensive in a hurry.
Regular - there are a number of issues there - and yes, there is natural methane. One problem is that we are generating so much of that and other crud that we are overwhelming hydroxyl radical cleanup mechanism.
Huck, the Constitution and ‘God’s standards’
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/15/579265.aspx
Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:19 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, Huckabee
From NBC/NJ’s Adam Aigner-Treworgy
“WARREN, Mich. — Huckabee’s closing argument to voters here this evening featured a few new stories and two prolonged sections on illegal immigration and Christian values.
These two topics usually feature prominently in Huckabee’s stump speech, but last night he got specific, promising to build a border fence within 18 months if elected and elaborating on his belief that the constitution needs to be amended.
“[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it’s a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards,” Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
Huckabee often refers to the need to amend the constitution on these grounds, but he has never so specifically called for the Constitution to be brought within “God’s standards,” which are themselves debated amongst religious scholars. As a closing statement he asked the room of nearly 500 supporters to “pray and then work hard, and in that order,” to help him secure a victory in Tuesday’s GOP primary.
Tomorrow Huckabee will visit two polling places in the morning before taking off for South Carolina where he will watch Mich