To all the uninitiated out there – read this and take heed. This is good stuff. Thanks….

Please to excuse me and mine. We’ll be about making it worth fighting for. Unless/until that happens, it’s your country your fight.

WHo’s the partisan hack here —- The Republicans have had control of the Congress for 15 yrs until a year ago, and St. Ronnie has had the GOP salivating for a return to his good old days and had plenty of opportunity to steer is in the reduction of our dependence on foreign oil ,,,,,,,,,,,,,. Truth is it isn’t the Dems who have stopped any significant changes in an energy policy it is both parties —- to deny that is to be a partisan hack ……………..

I don’t think you will ever understand the military or being a part of it.

I am a member of the Marine Corps because I believe in their mission and I love being a Marine. I will continue to serve in the Marines. I don’t get to pick and choose the battles I fight or if I want to join or not because of a certain conflict.

That is not how it works”

Can you beat your chest any louder?

Oh, have you and your daddy figured out exactly how old the Earth actually is?

The self righteous

Let the record show I tried. And against the advice from those more friendly.

Capn you were right. Some cannot be worked with.

KFG is a wonderful person in person. I don’t think I have yet met anyone from the blog who wasn’t nice in person.

Yet somehow, on this blog, we treat each other like crap.

I don’t eagerly attack anyone. I love to debate. Most everything I do here is attack your opinions and ideas. I try not to make it personal.

I do not claim to be perfect. I can and do say that I am no where near as vile and mean spirited as several posters on this blog.

The worst I have ever done is along the lines of calling people stupid.

My father and I have invited people from the blog to our home, our club house, and even to Lake Afton for food and a get together.

XXX and I disagree on many things, but he has been welcomed into our home and I consider him to be a good friend.

So, what is your problem JR?

Are you smoking crack now?

The last meetup I was at, I believe was the one at that park where KFG came down with some chicken, and a couple of the guys started playing the guitar.

At that meetup I went to the store with XXX’s friend JM and bought drinks, utinsiles, and several other items with him.

I then contributed money to the box for the rental fee on the complex for the meetup before I left.

I don’t know what your problem is JR, but get over it already. Spreading lies and trying to mischaracterize me is not the answer.

“SO Nathan you are the child of ingenuity and work?”

What on Earth does that even mean JR????

“Well why do you scorn it in others?”

Scorn what in others JR? Again with the complex question.

“No I don’t have your money OR those who “made” it FOR you.”

What money do I have? I don’t have any money at all. No one made anything for me. Again with your presumptions.

“And you are not a bad person. I know of your help in a project I called for to help someone. Let’s get together and finish it if you will treat me as more than dirt under your feet.”

JR, the only one who treats you like dirt under their feet is you to yourself. You have sold yourself on being a victim. Until you are able to get out of that mindset, I can’t help you one bit at all.

“I don’t aspire to riches. I’ve never had much in the way of money. I don’t want to. My take is people who have money sell themselves out. I’d rather be poor and proud than rich and above.”

Good for you. Now if only you would actually believe what you are saying here and stop acting like a victim.

I tried.

Capn is right. There is no working with you.

Blog info?

Nathan was invited and welcomed to a meetup.

He brought nothing. No one asked him to and he was welcomed to show up.

He took away a large portion of food prepared by those he so eagerly attacks. His return was unceasing attack on the very folks who fed and welcomed him.

SO Nathan you are the child of ingenuity and work?

Well why do you scorn it in others?

No I don’t have your money OR those who “made” it FOR you.

And you are not a bad person. I know of your help in a project I called for to help someone. Let’s get together and finish it if you will treat me as more than dirt under your feet.

I don’t aspire to riches. I’ve never had much in the way of money. I don’t want to. My take is people who have money sell themselves out. I’d rather be poor and proud than rich and above.

I always love the double standard.

If industry and big business are backing the concensus then that is ok.

If industry and big business are not backing the consensus then it must be because of evil companies wanting nothing more than profit.

“It is not me who hates Nathan.”

Then why do you constantly post the absolute partisan crap you do saying you hate this, you hate that, you don’t love America, etc…etc…etc…?

“It is not me who takes pleasure in others pain.”

I never said you did. Neither do I.

“(When you gleefully tell kfg she will never be allowed marriage.)”

Well, gleefully is something hard to determine from a blog there JR. I don’t believe I was ever gleeful about it. I was point of fact about it when I said it.

KFG has no problem getting mean and nasty with people when she is on this blog.

Forgive me if when I reply to her, it is not saturated with hearts and roses.

“It is not me that judges others as you and your dad have me and others.”

What judging have we done JR?

“It isn’t me that accused you of being a viewer of child porn. YOU did that.”

JR, I could explain this to you over a period of instruction lasting 100 hours and you still wouldn’t get it.

I NEVER SAID YOU WERE A VIEWER OF CHILD PORN. I APOLOGIZED THE NEXT DAY FOR THE CONTENT IN MY EXAMPLE.

“And it isn’t me or anyone on my “side” condones the descendancy of the blog into mindless nameless attack. ”

Well, you might not condone it, but there are plenty on your side who are some of the most vile, mean, and disruptive here.

“I got your Dad’s back on one of my first posts after I got back. And yours shortly after.

When did you ever say a good word for me?”

I can’t think of anything of recent. Then again, most of your posting of recent has been some of the most partisan hate filled crap to date.

It is not me who takes pleasure in others pain.

(When you gleefully tell kfg she will never be allowed marriage.)

It is not me that judges others as you and your dad have me and others.

It isn’t me that accused you of being a viewer of child porn. YOU did that.

And it isn’t me or anyone on my “side” condones the descendancy of the blog into mindless nameless attack.

I got your Dad’s back on one of my first posts after I got back. And yours shortly after.

When did you ever say a good word for me?

How about let’s say 10% = “many”? Fair?

There are over 600 contributors to the IPCC 2007 WG1 report. Can you and/or your father find 60 of them who now disagree with the consensus?

Some more to add to the consensus list,

‘The Consensus on Global Warming: From Science to Industry & Religion’
http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm

Lets look at your post piece by piece:

“Damn I’m trying nathan. But look at you.”

Look at me what? I have replied to you, asked you questions, asked you to stop with the strawman crap and you still continue.

“I try to talk to you even after you AND yours have so abused me.”

What on Earth have I done to abuse you? This is a blog. The worst thing that has happened is that we have argued about politics. Dear Lord man, stop acting like a victim.

“And you still tell me to talk to myself.”

I tell you to type to yourself, because your strawman crap is worthless. You keep continuing to post comments in response to arguments which I have not made.

“Now I don’t live in your fancy neighborhood. I didn’t marry money.”

This is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

My father didn’t marry money. My mother was just starting her business when she met my father. They lived on the side of a farm house, a trailer court, and worked their way from the bottom to be able to afford the home they now live in.

My mother worked 3 jobs and as a waitress paying her way through 6 degrees and a Doctorate.

Nothing they have was handed to either of them.

So stop making your childish assinine assumptions about my mother and my father.

And then you sit there, playing the victim card, wondering why I tell you to go type to yourself when you persist in posting this absolute crap about my family on here and me?

“Please to tell me? How are you better than me?”

Where have I ever said I was better than you?

You still ask these complex questions which assert something I have not ever said.

I would still wake up, know that I had a great relationship with Jesus, a family, a great group of friends, and the knowledge that I live in one of the greatest countries in the world.

The entire point of those blog meet ups was so that we could all get together and realize that there is more than just politics.

Now I don’t live in your fancy neighborhood. I didn’t marry money.

Please to tell me? How are you better than me?

If you stopped acting like the partisan hack you have turned into you could love America.

America is more than whomever the President is at the time.

I did not like Bill Clinton. I didn’t agree with his politics and many things he did.

I still loved America, I still joined the military, and I still continued to function just fine.

If you could move past your intense hatred filled heart, perhaps you could find some room for love.

What on earth does your mischaracterizations of my past have to do with this converstaion?

What does the size of the military have to do with oil?

What is this drug of the rich you are talking about?

And finally, can we move past this one sentence soundbite partisan rhetoric?

Your last crossed mine.

This country served your Dad well. He was paid a healthy wage while he did his duty. If he has any gripes as to his VA care you let me know and I will be all over it.

It seems you Nathan have forgotten where you came from. I remember posts where you said you lived in government housing and on government benefits. You are the child of service found privielege is my guess. A little humility and remember might serve you well.

America is a place for you that is worth fighting, even dying for.

Damn I’d LIKE to be able to feel that.

Seriously, start posting to yourself in notepad.

It is obvious you do not wish to have any kind of dialogue here when you keep posting this strawman crap.

And we have used up ours.

Maybe you have and your family have a financial stake in the fuel of the past. Maybe not. In any case, I sure do not. And I will not support Imperial policy or fight or send others to to maintain a fuel that is running out in the face of greater and more dangerous securing of it.

But what do I know? I’m poor in money. By your definition I must be stupid or unblessed and so my bad.

Good night.

“I gave you one example.”

Nathan, do you understand the word “many“? Do you understand the difference between 2001, and 2007?

Hank Price posted January 14, 2008 at 1:59 pm

“Many of the IPCC scientists that are included in the ‘concensus’ have had second thoughts and no longer wish to back the IPCC report.”
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Please provide the claimed “many” examples, from the 2007 report.

Also, an irony…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan
“[Sloan] became Vice-President, then President (1923), and finally Chairman of the Board (1937) of GM.”